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A05217 A reflection of certaine authors that are pretended to disauow the churches infallibilitie in her generall decrees of faith. By F.E. Lechmere, Edmund, d. 1640? 1635 (1635) STC 15351; ESTC S106826 115,644 246

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work_v open_o deny_v infallibility_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o approve_a general_a counsel_n much_o less_o can_v the_o passage_n allege_v serve_v your_o turn_n if_o the_o word_n christian_n be_v not_o here_o take_v so_o strict_o as_o your_o inference_n do_v suppose_v but_o so_o far_o extend_v that_o heretic_n come_v under_o the_o name_n too_o for_o than_o it_o may_v be_v true_a that_o some_o christian_n do_v seem_v to_o think_v so_o and_o ye●_n no_o catholic_n think_v so_o there_o be_v other_o christian_n in_o the_o world_n beside_o catholic_n even_o in_o his_o opinion_n that_o say_v and_o be_v it_o not_o the_o same_o 35._o same_o quaeso_fw-la ut_fw-la mihi_fw-la reveles_a a_o aliqui_fw-la sentiant_fw-la quod_fw-la tota_fw-la multitudo_fw-la christianorum_fw-la valeat_fw-la haeretica_fw-la pravitate_fw-la foedari_fw-la mag._n judaei_n sarraceni_n &_o etiam_fw-la pagani_n firmissimè_fw-la tenent_fw-la fidem_fw-la christianan_n esse_fw-la erronean_a disc_n non_fw-la intendo_fw-la 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