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only_o and_o the_o high_a power_n can_v they_o always_o hear_v or_o attend_v unto_o through_o the_o many_o great_a business_n of_o state_n affair_n all_o the_o difference_n scandal_n schism_n that_o both_o in_o particular_a church_n and_o between_o church_n will_v fall_v out_o in_o a_o kingdom_n or_o nation_n in_o this_o way_n of_o non-communion_n and_o protestation_n against_o one_o another_o especial_o in_o independent_a church_n where_o people_n make_v church_n and_o minister_n in_o that_o way_n they_o do_v and_o have_v no_o fix_a rule_n nor_o certain_a way_n i_o warrant_v the_o supreme_a magistrate_n and_o high_a power_n king_n and_o parliament_n shall_v have_v something_o to_o do_v to_o back_o the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n and_o to_o hear_v all_o cause_n and_o difference_n but_o if_o you_o understand_v the_o inferior_n also_o major_n bailiff_n etc._n etc._n i_o represent_v it_o to_o you_o what_o fit_a judge_n most_o of_o they_o be_v to_o judge_v and_o determine_v of_o such_o difficult_a ecclesiastical_a cause_n in_o heresy_n schism_n scandal_n etc._n etc._n which_o fall_v out_o among_o the_o minister_n of_o church_n and_o between_o church_n themselves_o again_o if_o you_o understand_v the_o magistrate_n indefinite_o and_o absolute_o any_o magistrate_n though_o heathen_a popish_a arrian_n as_o mr_n robinson_n do_v in_o his_o apology_n and_o i_o find_v it_o in_o your_o manuscript_n and_o principle_n that_o you_o take_v it_o so_o judge_v then_o in_o yourselves_o if_o the_o church_n have_v not_o remedy_n among_o themselves_o how_o fit_a be_v they_o who_o understand_v not_o christian_a religion_n nor_o the_o doctrine_n according_a to_o godliness_n to_o judge_v of_o the_o great_a difference_n between_o church_n and_o to_o assist_v the_o sentence_n of_o non-communion_n against_o church_n if_o the_o apostle_n paul_n reprove_v the_o corinthian_n so_o in_o 1_o cor._n 6_o 1_o 2_o 3_o 4_o 5_o 6_o 7._o for_o cariy_a matter_n from_o the_o church_n even_o the_o 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esse_fw-la debet_fw-la aliquod_fw-la forsan_fw-la remedium_fw-la posset_n inveniti_fw-la et_fw-la certè_fw-la foedum_fw-la exemplum_fw-la transmiâ—…imus_fw-la ad_fw-la posterot_n etc._n etc._n august_n vincentio_n epist._n 48._o nunc_fw-la vero_fw-la etiam_fw-la si_fw-la tibi_fw-la nihil_fw-la profit_n non_fw-la puto_fw-la nihil_fw-la ijs_fw-la profuturam_fw-la qui_fw-la eam_fw-la legere_fw-la cum_fw-la deitimore_n &_o sine_fw-la personarum_fw-la acceptione_n curaverint_fw-la a_o beza_n epist._n 1._o and_o 1._o duditio_fw-la dominus_fw-la te_fw-la totamque_fw-la familiam_fw-la ob_fw-la omni_fw-la malo_fw-la ac_fw-la praesertim_fw-la a_o daemoniss_n meridianis_fw-la istie_a obambulantibus_fw-la custodiat_fw-la custodiat_fw-la mat._n 1._o v._n 18_o 19_o act_n 7._o from_o v_o 2._o to_o v_o 57_o act_n 22._o v_o 1._o to_o five_o 2â—…_n act_n cap_n 24._o act_n cap._n 26._o 26._o justin._n mart._n 2._o apolog._n pro_fw-la christianis_fw-la tertul._n apol._n athenag_n apol._n vel_fw-la legatio_fw-la pro_fw-la christianis_fw-la athanas._n apol._n arnobij_fw-la apol._n eulog_n apologâ—…t_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la martyr_n martyr_n zuinglij_fw-la apol_n qua_fw-la ad_fw-la crimina_fw-la respondet_fw-la apologet._n contra_fw-la episcop_n constant._n bucer_n apolog._n contra_fw-la brentium_n dannaei_fw-la apolog._n pro_fw-la helvet_n ecclesijs_fw-la apolog_fw-la dan._n pro_fw-la adoratione_n melancthonis_n apol._n august_n confess_v apolog._n pro_fw-la luthero_n gualtb_n apol_n pro_fw-la zuinglio_n beza_n apolog._n jevelli_n apolog._n eccl._n anglicanae_n mort._n apol._n cathol_a cathol_a scâ—…venfeld_n apol._n contra_fw-la fabium_fw-la apol_n ad_fw-la regeâ—…_n hung._n de_fw-fr mediatione_fw-la stancari_fw-la apolog._n vorstij_fw-la thesis_n apolog._n exeg_n apol._n oratio_fw-la apolog._n bertij_fw-la apolog._n apolog._n remonstrantium_fw-la apolog._n schast_a francae_fw-la d._n p._n dirick_n pâ—…ps_v apol_n apolog._n episcop_n francisc._n the_o saint_n tâ—_n cl._n cl._n 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in_o scotland_n pag._n 10._o reformat_fw-la of_o ch._n govern._n pag._n 18._o it_o be_v lay_v for_o a_o common_a ground_n by_o the_o divine_n in_o all_o the_o â—…eformed_a church_n that_o where_o a_o whole_a nation_n be_v convert_v to_o the_o christian_a faith_n every_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o to_o be_v leave_v to_o itself_o as_o if_o it_o be_v alone_o in_o a_o nation_n but_o that_o christ_n have_v provide_v a_o way_n and_o there_o be_v a_o necessity_n of_o a_o common_a national_n government_n to_o preserve_v all_o the_o churchâ—…_n in_o unity_n and_o peace_n apolog._n page_n 9_o meâ—…ch_o adam_n vita_fw-la whitak_n pag._n 177._o mr_n raâ—…b_n narration_n of_o ch._n course_n p._n 1._o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n in_o new-england_n come_v at_o first_o to_o they_o in_o plymouth_n to_o crave_v their_o direction_n in_o ch._n course_n and_o make_v they_o their_o pattern_n apolog._n letter_n mr_n cotton_v letter_n examine_v and_o answer_v pag._n 44._o mr_n cotton_n himself_o and_o other_o most_o eminent_a minister_n in_o nâ—…w-england_n have_v free_o confess_v that_o notwithstanding_o their_o former_a profession_n of_o ministry_n in_o old_a england_n yet_o in_o new-england_n till_o they_o receive_v a_o particular_a call_n from_o a_o particular_a church_n that_o they_o be_v but_o private_a christian_n apolog._n robin_n p._n 10_o 11._o etc._n etc._n 12._o de_fw-fr eccl._n angl._n angl._n robin_n apol._n cap._n 12._o p_o 78._o propria_fw-la inquâ—…_n &_o peculiaria_fw-la in_o quibus_fw-la verbi_fw-la auditionem_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la noâ—…_n annumero_fw-la â—…pote_fw-la inqua_fw-la non_fw-la intercedit_fw-la inter_fw-la docentem_fw-la &_o discentem_fw-la communio_fw-la spiritualiâ—…_n sive_fw-la eccl._n sive_fw-la personalis_fw-la nisi_fw-la ex_fw-la union_n prae_fw-la via_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la aut_fw-la personal_a robin_n catechis_n quest._n may_v all_o the_o faithful_a partake_v in_o the_o sacrament_n ans._n no_o except_o they_o be_v also_o add_v to_o 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