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A70943 An answer to Mr. William Prynn's twelve questions concerning church government at the end whereof, are mentioned severall grosse absurdities, and dangerous consequences of highest nature, which do necessarily follow the tenets of Presbyteriall, or any other besides a perfect independent government : together with certaine qveries. Robinson, Henry, 1605?-1664?; Burton, Henry, 1578-1648. 1644 (1644) Wing R1665; ESTC R17515 26,672 28

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