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A04700 The refutation of the byshop of Winchesters derke declaratio[n] of his false articles, once before confuted by George Ioye Be not deceiued by this bysshops false bokes. Heare novve the tother parte, and iudge truely of the trueth. For the veritie vvyll haue the victorye. Joye, George, d. 1553. 1546 (1546) STC 14828.5; ESTC S107947 135,831 402

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edification and profit of his bodye and membres whiche so doynge we be seruauntes faithfull and profitable for him and to other as the scripture calleth vs and thus we sanctifye and celebrate and magnifye his holye name as he commaundeth it Then ye chopin this text of zachary Vtsine timore c. To proue your merits to deserue deliueraunce from our enemyes and so to lyue and serue him in holynes and well doynge But ye sleyghtly leaue out hym by whose merits we be thus delyuered Ye shulde haue redde the verses before and then ye shulde haue seene that GOD the father hadde erected oure myghty helthe euen christ that by hym and his power and merites we delyuered from oure enemies myghte serue hym withoute feare in holy lyuynge But suche peces ye can omytte as impertinente to youre euyll purpose And these be the hatchets ye bringe in to open your lewde lockes And after this sorte thei vse predestinacion which being signified to vs for our counforte do declare what care god hathe of vs whereby we shulde be the more encouraged to worke hauynge god to oure helpe c. Why then in your boke of necessarie enstruccions commande ye the people to beware of predestinacion and not to medle therwith leste they fall into any vayne trust in it these be your wordes and teache that no man shulde be sewer therof ne of his election Nowe ye saye it is writen for oure counforte and anon ye feare men from it nowe it is a vaine trust and then it is a counfortable adsewraunce and anon ye put all men in dout therof and of their election in Christe makinge faith no faith but a waueringe doute ne gods promise of no effecte So inconstant and waueringe is youre doctrine Whiche predestinacion ye saye we vse it as your hatchet to open lockes And I say your selfe vse it as a nose of waxe against the fier But now I returne to you maister Ioye Ioye And I to you my lorde And where ye appose me whether when I considered theffecte of christes passion I beleued it or no I professe I beleued Then ye aske whether I beleued it to be effectuall to me To this I aunswere you That first I beleued it was and is effectual to me in my baptisme wherein I obtained remission of my synnes and renouacion of lyfe I perceiue ye lete great skorne to be apposed of me But yet I wolde ye aunswered me directely to my question For I asked you whether now seen your baptisme when ye taughte your scolers this conclusion then beinge a synner as euery mā is whē ye firste considered your sinnes in your self and loked vpon your effect that is remission in christes passion whether then I saye ere ye loked to any other condicion thē vpon onely faith whiche is your fyrste condicion ye beleued Christes passion to be effectuouse to you or not If ye dydde so muste ye neades be iustified by only faith by no other cōdiciō which ye must nedis graunt magry your tethe For as ye beleue accordīg to gods promise so must it infallibly cōe to you But in your answer fearing lest ye shuld be iustified by faith only ye shift frō this tyme to your baptism wher ye wold couple your faith diuided part to christ parte to your baptysme by bothe to gither to be iustifyed as though not faith only in christe ne christes deathe were sufficient But I wil stoppe ye in from that stertinge hole therby not so to escape And muste by your leaue appose ye yet agen aske you whether before your body was doped into the fonte with the wordis of baptisme ye beleued or no. If ye saye no so make ye your godfathers and god mother lyers and your selfe to which all affirmed in your person Credo I beleue or els the preist had chrystened an infidele For the order of Christis doctrine is y t the doctrine and profession shulde go before the baptisme as ye see it bothe in infantes and waxen If one shuld come to you to be baptized ye wold first enstructe him in our faith and heare him openly professe it ere ye put him into the water as chryste taught and commanded his apostles to do sayinge Go and teache all nacions my gospell and whatsoeuer els I haue taught you them that beleue baptize into the name of the father and c. This order obserued the apostles in their actes first preachinge y e lawe to shew them their sinnes and then the gospell of remissiō in christ whiche thinge beleued the hearers be iustifyed before god regenered of the spirit of faith therby obsigned and sealed certifyed of their eleccion in christe And then is the exterior obsignacion of baptisme with water the testificaciō to the chirche added to certifye them the same persone to haue had receyued y e spirit of faith and to be regenered before of god so that as circumcision was to the Iewes chirch signaculum iusticie fidei that is the exterior seal testimoniall of the iustification by faith lo is baptisme with water the exterior seal testifienge to vs that the baptized is iustified also by faith and certifieth the congregacion as a testification of the beneuolence of God towarde the baptized and of his spiritual giftes receiued For the water saith Austen is but an elemente and nothing withoute the worde of promise whiche is the worde of faith iustifienge before the persone be baptized Baptizme with water therfore is the testificacion and seal certifyenge the hole congregation of his incorporation and member of christes chirch to be admitted into their societe to praye to heare the worde with them and to receiue the lordes supper Besides that baptisme in figure is y e perpetuall custodi of y e christen life by mortificaciō repētaūce signified by the dopinge into the water in the death and burial of christe and his resurrection vs to ryse vp continually into a new lyfe as Paul teacheth vs. Rom. vi Thus did Philip first enstruct the queens courtyer of Candace and then asked him whether he beleued with al his hert that is constantly and purelye before he wold baptise him And Paule and Silas obserued the same order with the keper of the presone when the keper beinge in a desperate mynde for feare they had ben fled wolde haue slaine him selfe but otherwise aduertised by Paule he comen to hym selfe saide Maysters what must I do to be saued whiche aunswered Beleue into the LORDE Iesu and thou with all thy house shalte be saued After whiche beleife they were baptized This is sufficient to declare the vse of oure baptisme with water that we be iustifyed by faith only before it ere we can repent frutfully thus is al your popish trysh trash contayned in your other second condicion cleane wypt awaye frō thatainment of iustificacion And if ye haue any workes els in your condicion