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A87723 The unlimited authority of Christs disciples cleared or the present church and ministery vindicated. Or Christs disciples authority for the practice of his commands is unlimitted. Being a brief answer to a book intituled (A sober Word to a serious people.) There the writer saith, Christ gave his commissions not to disciples as disciples, but to apostles. But here is by Scripture proved, that the authority & commissions, given to disciples, (as disciples considered) are of a far larger extent, then the authority of commissions given to apostles. Written by Thomas Kilcop. Killcop, Thomas. 1651 (1651) Wing K441; Thomason E1377_5; ESTC R209289 19,252 48

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present Churches and Ministery their unsutablenes may be parallel'd by some owned in Scripture for Churches and the Temple he saith else-where was a Type of the Gospel Church State but in that though the free harted could not come nigh the first pattern how doth God incourage them notwithstanding Haggai 2.4 5 6. therefore if you can pray and read c. though you therein come short of the primitive pattern you might also conform to the present Church and Ministery among the free and upright hearted though they come short of the first pattern And so much to that CHAP. 2. IN the said Book he also saith though some say the Commission Mat. 28.19 20. was given to Disciples as Disciples or to preaching Disciples but Christ saith he p. 5. singled out some from others to preach Mat. 10.1.16 Mark 3.13 Luke 6.13 and this Commission Mat. 28. was given to the same persons p. 6. I answer that Commission Mat. 10. was in its extent limitted both for time and persons it was to be expenced by singled out men only to the ●ews before Christ's death But this Mat. 28. is every way unlimitted it extendeth to all Nations all Ages And may be yea must be dispensed by Disciples Obj It was given to the very same persons I answer it was given to them and also to the rest that were with them as Luke 24 33. to the end 2 If it had been given personally to no more then the eleven yet were they when that was given Mat. 10. called Apostles but now called disciples verse 16. and Christ could as easily have called them Apostles as Disciples had he herein considered them as Apostles and not as Disciples 3 If it had been given to them only and if they had now also been termed Apostles yet it would plainly appear to be given to them not considered as Apostles but as Disciples yea so as to include therein the whole body of Disciples in all Nations and in all Ages as much as they For these are herein bid 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by teaching to make Disciples all Nations with this addition verse 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and loe I am with you always c teaching them to wit the disciplised whether Jew or Gentile to observe to do to practice all things every Gospel Command whatsoever I have ever since I estated to you in Gospel Worship Commanded ●ou But Christ had taught these to be baptized ●o pray to preach to baptize to assemble to break bread Act. 2.41.42 Ergo the disciplised must do the same of what Nation or age soever therefore as praying Disciples may pray so preaching Disciples may preach uniting Discipls may unite if they have ability they want not authority being Disciples and so we being Disciples learners of Christ hearkners to Christ have authority to practise what we finde in Scripture be Christs Gospell commands Consider also these things 1. Were those to whom in person this commission was given Apostles then the same Gospell commands that Apostles were to observe must Disciples observe also 2. Were they Jews then the Gospell-commands that Jews were to practise must Gentiles practise also 3. Were they with Christ and was this before Christs ascension then the same commands that were to be observed while Christ was present and before his ascention must be observed after his ascension and in his absence 4. The same authority given before his death to singled out men is after his resurrection given to them and others as Disciples but then it was limited to Apostles but now to Disciples boundlesse Therefore the authority of Disciples is far greater then the authority of Apostles 5. Sith this commission was given to Disciples before they had received the promised power from on high we learn that Disciples authority was as great before they received that power as after and then the said power is ability not authority 6. Was this commission given to the eleven and the others with then as Luke 24.33.47 48 49. Those that could work miracles and those that could not too then such Disciples as cannot work miracles have as much authority as those that can And so much to this also CHAP. 3. In the next place he propoundeth 4. questions p. 6. and giveth thereto 4 positive answers in substance thus 1. As of old administrations were committed to choice men Ex. 28.1.2 so now is preaching and baptizing to a Ministery p. 7. Mar. 3. Lu. 6. Acts. 10 1. 1 2.17.25 I Answ As then the Levits were chosen for ●riests and Aarons family for high Priests Ex. ●8 So now is Christ our high Priest and his disci●●es are Priests Heb. 3.1 1 Pet. 2.5 6. and faith●●ll preachers are choice men His quotations were minded in the 2d chap. Only here are two more added by him as Act. 1. Acts 10. but both do gaine say what he draws from them Act. 1. declareth first That that which he jumbles together are distinct and Judas had a share in both Ministerie and Apostleship verse 25. Seconly That Apostles did not only preach and baptize but were also eye-witnesses of Christs death and resurrection v. 22. Thirdly this place sheweth plainly that the Ministerie was bounded in Discipls that Disciples have authority to rectifie what by Scripture they find to be amisse yea authority to place men into offices yea into Apostleship and so disciples authority is greater them Apostles authority for Peter stood up among the Disciples and said Men and brethren this Scripture must be fullfilled c. vers 15 16. and then his advice being given to verse 22. the effect is and they appointed two they to wit the disciples the men and brethren afore specified and verse 24. 't is said further and they prayed c. and they gave forth the Lots c. they appointed they cast Lots they numbred him with then Apostles thus his own quottaion is sufficient against him Ob. Verse 1 He gave commandement to the Apostles whom he had chosen Act 10 but to us chosen before of God and he commanded us to preach c. I Answ That he now did give Commandements to those before chosen and called Apostles is true but that his commands were given but to them or that they were herein considered not as disciples is false for First as they were given to them so to the rest with them Secondly they were to teach the disciplised to observe the same as in chap. 2 And so in act 10 41 42 He appeared openly not to all the people that is not to all the Jews good and bad but to us chosen before of God not us Apostles only but to us brethren to 500 at once 1 Cor. 15 6 even to us which did eat and drink with him after he rose againe and he commanded us to preach c. us that eat and drank with him which is the eleven and the rest that were with them as Lu● 24.33 43
that deny the forme Thirdly the power specified Thes 1.5 is not as he would have it visible gifts as tongues and miracles but it is what he by that place opposeth to wit reall and visible obedience Fourthly the power promised and waited for Luk 24.45 49. is not as he would have it the power of authority but of abillity Authority to pray preach chuse Officers and the like was given when that commission Math. 28 was given these they might do and did do while they waited therefore was their waiting for the power of ability to teach all Nations which they had not til tongues fell on them they had authority to Disciplise the Nations when the Commission so to do was given them but they must abide at Jerusalem til ability be also given He whose heart is Godward having abillity and oportunity wanteth not authority for as was shewn authority hath its residence among Disciples and so in this that he most glorieth in he mainly mistakes Quest Were not miracles rather to confirme the word then to witnesse persons being sent Heb. 2.4 He ans as to confirme the word Mar. 16 20 so also to witnesse persons being sent Christs works testified that the Father sent him Io. 5 36 11 42 20 21 and as the Father sent forth him so he sent forth them Jo. 17 18 Act 413 14 ●6 therefore their works testifie their being sent of Christ the signes of an Apostle were wrought among you 2 Cor 12 12. I Answer the people oposing Christ he tells them of severall that bore witnesse of him as first Iohn chap. 5. v 33. 2dly his works v 36 Thirdly the Father v 37. Fourthly the Scripture v 39 all these were witnesses of his being the Messiah that so by coming to him they might have life v 40 That miracles was among others one witnesse that Christ is the Messiah is true but that they were also appointed to witnesse who are the witnesses of Christ is false for Iohn who did bear witnesse of Christ wrought none Ioh. 10 41 also some that opose the truths of God have wrought miracles and shall againe Deuter. 13 1 2 3 Rev. 13 1● Ob. As he was sent so he sent them into be World Iohn 17 18. I answer though in some things these be sent as he was yet not in every thing not with miracles to witnesse that they are Messiahs as he was sent with miracles to witnesse himself to be the Messiah but as he was sent to bear witnesse to the truth so were they and so was Iohn who wrought not miracles as Christ did Secondly those sent by Christ into the world as he was sent into the World are not Apostles only ●or only miracle workers but other Saints those that were given him out of the World which received and kept his word which knew him to be sent of God as verse 6 7 8 even such as are not of the World as he is not of the world are the very persons that he sendeth into the world as he was sent into the world as v 14 16 17 18. Obj. But the signes of an Apostle were wrought among you I answer that miracles are not the Caracter of an Apostle was lately shewn Secondly this place would have proved it if the fol●owing words were not added with signes wonders and mighty deeds these signes and mighty deeds are an overplus to the signs of an Apostle Thirdly the same Apostle doth to the same people declare other things to be the signes of an Apostle as his having seen Christ and his having brought them into the direct wayes of Christ so in 1 Cor. 9.1.2 Am not I an Apostle am not I free have not I seen Jesus Christ our Lord are not ye my work in the Lord if I be not an Apostle to others yet doubtlesse I am to you for ye are the seal of mine Apostleship in the Lord here are Apostles Charactorized indeed even by the Apostle himself minded as ●●aractors without doubt Therefore would professed Christians trye again whether they have share in the Apostles ministery let them not try it by the miracles that the instruments of their good have wrought but whether the Doctrine taught them and the wayes they are brought into be indeed the truths and wayes of Christ as 2 Cor 13 verse 5. Question Gifts are to be improved for edification and how can it be orderly done out of a Church state He answers as the gift is so must be the improvement and where these are the Church is so glorious they need not take care how to improve them out of a Church Be it wisdome knowledge faith miracles healing prophesie c. or be it joy hope love and the like the spirit is not wanting to teach improvement p. 50. I reply by this rule exhortations and dehortations be in vain in vaine saith Paul stirre the gift that is in thee 2 Tim. 1 6 in vaine saith Peter let every man as he hath received the gift so administer 1 Pet. 4 10. in vain saith John these things I write to you that your joy might be full He answers further what was ever written is for our learning they in the Templestate and wildernesse are our types 1 Cor. 10 11 2 Cor. 6.16 Rev. 11 8. but some worship was to be in the Temple only Duter 12. but prayer private or publick should be in the land of their Captivity p. 50.51 1 King 1 44.50 51. c. 4 5 16 to teach us that now something is peculiar to a Church as binding and loosing c. I answer it hath been shewn first that we are a Church and that preaching and baptizing hath been by John out of a visible Church state though binding and loosing hath not He addeth some say we have truth others say we have builders and stones are at odds If the true ministery were on foot would this confusion be is not might therefore your vision and a rent your Girdle but God hath given us hope if we cry mightily I reply this declares it so with some but not withall when Michah and others contended the word of the Lord came to me saith one t is not so saith tother but Michah had the word of the Lord and night was not his vision Also that famous Gospell Church at Antioch contended about Circumcisition Act. 15. some had truth on their side but the Church could not distinguish and yet a Church of Christ still and as they had recourse to the Apostles and Elders at Jerusalem so may we to the Apostles writings and if need be to other Churches Ob. but saith he the builders and stones are at odds I reply So it was with Paul the Corinthians though he had beg it builded espoused them they questioned the truth of his Apostleship 1 Cor. 9.1 2 3. 2 Cor. 11 4 5 6 13.3 yet Paul a true an Apostle they a true Church and had the true ministery Obj. How shall