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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
nation_n	abraham_n	covenant_n	seed_n	4,680	5	8.4067	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A81412	A dialqgue [sic] betwen [sic] a dissenter and a church-man touching general and particular points. General, viz. of common-prayer, surplice, cross in baptizm, kneeling at sacrament, god-fathers and mothers, baptism it self. Particular. Of original sin, general redemption.		1689 (1689)	Wing D1293aA; ESTC R227165	12,793	20

distrust the Providence of God in preserving of them when he hath by the same Providence taken you away from them but if you had a Command for it it were lawful for you to do it if you had example from the Apostles you had some ground for it Church-m I wonder you should be so Ignorant a Man so well verst in the Scripture as you pretend to be that you should not know that the Apostles were in the first Age of the Church and that where ever they come it was their Work to Preach and Convert and Baptize such as they did bring into the Church by their Preaching and this was the Foundation of the Church and adult persons had no need of God-Fathers and God-Mothers and you know the Apostle bid us watch over one another and strengthen one another also to see that no Root of bitterness to spring up amongst us and trouble us Dissen Well I know the Apostle doth say so but it is to the congregated Churches that he had gathered together that they should not let any Root of bitterness spring up amongst them and that they should watch over one another Church-m You speak you know not what if you oppose this for as the Church was then made up of adult Believers only so the Apostle speaking to the Beleivers that should not joyn with Heathenism or Jewdism said he The Promise is to you and to your Seed and if so is not the Seed of Believers in the Pale of the Church and consequenly such as should be watcht over as well as grown persons nay more for they are not of Years of Discretion to watch over themselves and so Love and Duty both oblige us to the great Work I think this is a plain Cmmand Dissen I must confess you have given such an Argument as I believe some Thousands of your Church could not have given and I will take some time to clear it and therefore I must beg your patience and to that end I shall clear these Points in our particular Discourse because we would not discourse of General and Particular together Church-m Don't you think to put me off and to baffle the Discourse if we discourse we will have things carried on as they go we will not leave things behind to come over again for what concerns me in particular concerns the Church in general and so clear it to me if I be not in the right of it if it be not too much for you Dissen Well but I tell you there is some things in our Discourse that must be particular but I will Answer you and your Church in these things in general because you desire it and first you say the Church was made up of adult persons which is true but what was the sign of their Church-ship Church-m Why it was Baptism they were Baptized into the Church and so became Members of the Church and the Apostle tells them the Promise is to you and your Seed Dissen Well then you make a Church by Succession and so make it National but why do not you bring in the next Words And as many as the Lord your God shall call So that here must be a calling before a Church-Member and consequently before Baptism for they were not to be Churched before Baptized nor Baptized before they Believe and if so how are Infants capable of being Church Members Church-m It s true the Words run so but yet it doth not Exclude Believers Children and the Apostle said the other to comfort them that they should not be all but that God would plant and call more Churches to believe in him and so the number should be increased and further it was to comfort the suce eding Churches that it should be viz. the Promise to them and their Seed as well as to the then present Believers and their Seed so that I think there need no further clearing of this Point that Children are Church-Members Dissen Yes there wants a great deal of clearing for you say the Promise is to a Church-Members Seed Pray let me ask you How did God make his Covenant with Abraham when God said unto him I will make my Covenant with thee and with thy Seed and thy Seeds Seed and I will multiply it as the Stars of Heaven Church-m Well here you comply with me that the Covenant is to Seeds Seed and if so in the Law why not in the time of the Gospel Dissen Well I askt you how this Covenant run you know that God said to Abraham But tho thy Seed be as the Stars of Heaven yet in Isaac shall it be Blessed Was not Ishmael the Son of Abraham and did not he pray for Ishmael Well said the Lord I have heard thee for Ishmael I will make him a great Nation but nevertheless my Covenant will I establish with Isaac and in Isaac shall thy Seed be Blessed So that we see out of Believing Abraham there came a Seed that was out of the Covenant as well as a Seed in Covenant and when Rebeccah had Conceived by one Mark here could be no Objection that these was two Seeds in her Womb but by one and that by one of the Promised Seed our Father Isaac nay and the Children having not done Good or Evil it was said Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated What then shall we say to these things Is there Unrighteousness with God God forbid Read the 9th Chapter of Romans Now will you allow Isaac to be a tipe of Christ or not Church-m Yes certainly Isaac was a Tipe of Christ and the Covenant that was made with Isaac and his Seed is a Tipe of the Covenant made with Believers and their Seed in Christ Dissen Well then as the Covenant was established with Abraham's Children in Isaac his Son So the Covenant that God made with Believers and their Seed is in Christ his Son Now they that are not in Christ by Faith are not in the Covenant and so have no right to the Priviledges of it Church-m Well but can we tell how is this in the Covenant is it a secret Decree of God And suppose my Child should die as many do before they come to Years of Vnderstanding Must I shut my Child out of my Covenant for want of using the means I should think my self much out of my Duty Dissen Pray in the time of the Law what time was set for Circumcision of the Children Church-m The eighth day was appointed of God. Dissen Was the Law to be observed very strictly might not they go beyond the bounds of it Church-m Yes it was very strict they must not fail in one Point they must not put a Pin in the Temple more then God had ordered Dissen Well then if they might not let the time pass might they do it before the time come Church-m No God was to have his Law strictly observed Dissen Well then do you think there was no Children died before the eighth day and