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account_n of_o the_o divinity_n which_o be_v in_o it_o or_o unite_v to_o it_o be_v yet_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n because_o though_o on_o supposition_n the_o divinity_n be_v so_o unite_v the_o worship_n will_v be_v lawful_a yet_o the_o supposition_n be_v false_a they_o be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n why_o then_o shall_v not_o those_o be_v equal_o guilty_a of_o it_o who_o worship_n a_o divinity_n as_o present_v under_o the_o species_n of_o bread_n if_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n do_v still_o remain_v for_o then_o the_o worship_n however_o intend_v fall_v upon_o a_o mere_a creature_n as_o it_o do_v in_o the_o former_a case_n r._n p._n those_o who_o worship_v the_o sun_n do_v suppose_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o sun_n still_o to_o remain_v but_o catholic_n do_v not_o suppose_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n to_o continue_v but_o in_o place_n thereof_o do_v worship_n the_o only_a true_a and_o eternal_a god_n p._n d._n it_o be_v true_a they_o do_v suppose_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o sun_n to_o remain_v but_o they_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o terminate_v their_o worship_n on_o that_o substance_n but_o on_o the_o divinity_n unite_v to_o it_o and_o to_o suppose_v that_o not_o to_o be_v bread_n which_o be_v real_o bread_n do_v no_o more_o excuse_n from_o idolatry_n than_o suppose_v that_o not_o to_o be_v a_o mere_a creature_n which_o real_o be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o drive_v this_o matter_n home_o to_o you_o i_o will_v ask_v a_o far_a question_n be_v those_o idolater_n who_o worship_v the_o part_n of_o the_o world_n as_o a_o part_n of_o the_o substance_n of_o god_n himself_o so_o that_o he_o be_v one_o and_o all_o r._n
author_n can_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o external_a idolatry_n as_o well_o as_o internal_a and_o where_o the_o outward_a act_n be_v idolatrous_a we_o ought_v to_o presume_v there_o be_v a_o implicit_a and_o indirect_a intention_n and_o no_o more_o be_v necessary_a to_o make_v a_o act_n idolatrous_a than_o a_o voluntary_a inclination_n to_o do_v it_o this_o be_v therefore_o a_o mere_a subterfuge_n and_o can_v never_o satisfy_v a_o man_n conscience_n nor_o excuse_v the_o roman_a church_n from_o idolatry_n r._n p._n but_o t._n g._n grant_v that_o suppose_v such_o a_o appropriation_n of_o external_a act_n to_o remain_v in_o force_n 457._o to_o apply_v such_o act_n to_o a_o creature_n may_v and_o aught_o in_o reason_n to_o be_v interpret_v to_o be_v real_a idolatrous_a worship_n because_o idolatry_n be_v a_o sin_n direct_o opposite_a to_o religion_n as_o a_o false_a worship_n to_o a_o true_a one_o p._n d._n what_o be_v it_o then_o but_o to_o cavil_v about_o word_n to_o deny_v that_o to_o be_v real_a idolatry_n which_o at_o the_o same_o time_n he_o confess_v aught_o to_o be_v interpret_v to_o be_v so_o for_o since_o we_o can_v judge_v of_o man_n intention_n but_o by_o their_o action_n when_o we_o dispute_v about_o the_o idolatry_n practise_v in_o any_o church_n we_o can_v be_v understand_v only_o of_o that_o which_o lie_v open_a to_o our_o judgement_n and_o that_o can_v be_v only_o the_o external_a act_n and_o since_o t._n g._n grant_n 461._o that_o the_o thing_n which_o the_o dr._n mean_v be_v confess_v by_o yourselves_o to_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o salvation_n there_o be_v nothing_o further_o necessary_a to_o be_v do_v but_o to_o debate_v whether_o you_o be_v guilty_a of_o that_o sin_n or_o not_o in_o apply_v appropriate_a act_n of_o divine_a worship_n to_o a_o creature_n r._n p._n but_o do_v not_o dr._n st._n himself_o show_v from_o card._n tolet_n 458._o that_o idolatry_n do_v suppose_v a_o error_n in_o the_o mind_n in_o judge_v that_o to_o deserve_v divine_a honour_n which_o do_v not_o p._n d._n i_o grant_v it_o but_o that_o only_o show_v what_o practical_a judgement_n do_v precede_v a_o voluntary_a act_n of_o idolatry_n as_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o a_o involuntary_a compliance_n in_o this_o late_a case_n person_n be_v real_o guilty_a as_o to_o the_o external_a act_n as_o a_o man_n that_o take_v away_o his_o neighbour_n good_n out_o of_o fear_n of_o his_o own_o life_n be_v real_o guilty_a of_o theft_n although_o the_o fear_v he_o be_v in_o may_v lessen_v the_o wilfulness_n of_o it_o so_o in_o idolatry_n when_o commit_v through_o the_o power_n of_o a_o sudden_a passion_n be_v a_o sin_n of_o the_o same_o kind_n with_o other_o idolatry_n but_o not_o so_o wilful_a and_o deliberate_a a_o sin_n but_o in_o case_n of_o wilful_a idolatry_n there_o must_v be_v a_o practical_a judgement_n determine_v the_o will_n to_o the_o act_n of_o idolatry_n if_o you_o ask_v i_o what_o that_o judgement_n be_v whether_o true_a or_o erroneous_a i_o say_v it_o be_v a_o erroneous_a judgement_n for_o it_o determine_v the_o give_v divine_a worship_n to_o that_o which_o do_v not_o deserve_v it_o 459._o not_o as_o though_o idolatry_n imply_v the_o believe_a that_o to_o be_v true_o and_o proper_o god_n which_o be_v not_o which_o t._n g._n will_v infer_v from_o thence_o but_o it_o imply_v only_o the_o practical_a judgement_n determine_v the_o will_n to_o give_v divine_a worship_n to_o that_o which_o real_o deserve_v it_o not_o as_o for_o instance_n suppose_v a_o image_n of_o our_o lady_n to_o stand_v before_o two_o person_n the_o one_o declare_v against_o the_o worship_n of_o it_o though_o he_o may_v be_v force_v to_o do_v it_o he_o be_v guilty_a of_o real_a but_o involuntary_a idolatry_n take_v involuntary_a as_o to_o the_o free_a inclination_n of_o the_o will_n the_o other_o ready_o and_o spontaneous_o fall_v down_o upon_o his_o knee_n before_o it_o and_o say_v his_o prayer_n to_o the_o image_n as_o grave_o and_o devout_o as_o if_o the_o b._n virgin_n be_v present_a both_o these_o do_v concur_v in_o the_o same_o external_a act_n of_o worship_n but_o from_o a_o very_a different_a judgement_n the_o one_o judge_n it_o fit_a to_o comply_v for_o his_o own_o safety_n the_o other_o judge_v the_o thing_n fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o he_o judge_v the_o image_n to_o be_v the_o b._n virgin_n herself_o but_o that_o he_o ought_v to_o give_v such_o worship_n to_o her_o image_n so_o that_o judge_v divine_a worship_n to_o belong_v to_o that_o which_o do_v not_o real_o deserve_v it_o be_v all_o the_o erroneous_a judgement_n necessary_a to_o a_o wilful_a act_n of_o idolatry_n and_o if_o this_o be_v any_o kindness_n to_o t._n g._n much_o good_a may_v it_o do_v he_o r._n p._n but_o t._n g._n say_v 459._o that_o from_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v not_o real_a idolatry_n to_o worship_v a_o image_n with_o divine_a worship_n unless_o it_o be_v do_v out_o of_o a_o erroneous_a judgement_n as_o to_o a_o thing_n that_o deserve_v divine_a honour_n p._n d._n no_o such_o matter_n for_o from_o hence_o it_o only_o follow_v that_o in_o a_o wilful_a act_n of_o idolatry_n there_o must_v be_v a_o practical_a judgement_n determine_v the_o act_n of_o divine_a worship_n to_o a_o image_n though_o it_o deserve_v it_o not_o so_o that_o this_o do_v not_o refer_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o apply_v the_o external_a act_n to_o the_o object_n as_o deserve_v divine_a honour_n but_o only_o the_o antecedent_n judgement_n that_o the_o act_n of_o divine_a worship_n be_v give_v to_o such_o a_o object_n r._n p._n again_o t._n g._n say_v that_o from_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o the_o case_n of_o the_o heathen_n and_o we_o be_v different_a because_o their_o idolatry_n proceed_v upon_o a_o erroneous_a belief_n of_o a_o creature_n deserve_v divine_a honour_n when_o it_o do_v not_o but_o we_o do_v no_o such_o thing_n p._n d._n can_v t._n g._n understand_v the_o difference_n between_o a_o erroneous_a belief_n and_o a_o erroneous_a practical_a judgement_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o heathen_n have_v a_o very_a erroneous_a belief_n in_o many_o particular_n and_o so_o have_v other_o idolater_n too_o but_o the_o question_n now_o be_v what_o error_n of_o judgement_n that_o be_v which_o the_o wilful_a act_n of_o idolatry_n do_v suppose_v and_o i_o say_v it_o require_v no_o more_o than_o a_o error_n in_o the_o practical_a judgement_n determine_v the_o will_n to_o give_v divine_a worship_n to_o that_o which_o do_v not_o deserve_v it_o and_o herein_o i_o see_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o heathen_n idolatry_n and_o you_o r._n p._n 465._o but_o let_v we_o now_o set_v aside_o the_o strict_a notion_n of_o idolatry_n and_o consider_v whether_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v guilty_a of_o damnable_a sin_n in_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o worship_n which_o must_v either_o be_v in_o not_o give_v to_o god_n the_o worship_n due_a to_o he_o or_o by_o give_v the_o worship_n due_a only_o to_o he_o to_o his_o creature_n p._n d._n the_o late_a be_v that_o which_o dr._n st._n chief_o insist_o upon_o although_o he_o say_v your_o divine_n be_v to_o blame_v in_o the_o first_o particular_a etc._n because_o they_o reserve_v no_o one_o act_n of_o external_a adoration_n as_o proper_a to_o god_n and_o to_o be_v perform_v by_o all_o christian_n and_o for_o this_o he_o quote_v the_o resolution_n of_o cardinal_n lugo_n r._n p._n i_o wonder_v you_o will_v mention_v that_o citation_n of_o lugo_n since_o t._n g._n say_v the_o dr._n be_v so_o unhappy_a in_o his_o citation_n and_o the_o jesuit_n will_v say_v 469._o that_o he_o evident_o abuse_v both_o his_o authority_n and_o his_o eminency_n p._n d._n i_o have_v have_v so_o much_o experience_n of_o t._n g.'s_n intolerable_a disingenuity_n in_o this_o matter_n that_o i_o dare_v venture_v a_o even_a wager_n which_o be_v the_o way_n t._n g._n propose_v often_o in_o his_o dialogue_n for_o end_v such_o dispute_n that_o dr._n st._n have_v not_o miscit_v cardinal_n lugo_n r._n p._n t._n g._n say_v that_o cardinal_n lugo_n do_v not_o deny_v sacrifice_n to_o be_v a_o external_a act_n of_o worship_n proper_a to_o god_n for_o his_o word_n be_v qui_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la offerri_fw-la nisi_fw-la soli_fw-la deo_fw-la as_o may_v not_o be_v offer_v but_o to_o god_n alone_o but_o he_o say_v that_o sacrifice_n be_v not_o proper_o a_o act_n of_o adoration_n in_o the_o strict_a sense_n but_o of_o another_o kind_a distinct_a from_o it_o p._n d._n those_o be_v not_o lugo_n word_n but_o licet_fw-la non_fw-la possit_fw-la offerri_fw-la nisi_fw-la soli_fw-la deo_fw-la yet_o i_o shall_v not_o insist_v upon_o that_o for_o that_o which_o sufficient_o clear_v dr._n st._n be_v the_o consideration_n of_o his_o design_n in_o bring_v those_o word_n of_o lugo_n