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A65389 A further discovery of that generation of men called Qvakers by way of reply to an answer of James Nayler to The perfect Pharisee : wherein is more fully layd open their blasphemies, notorious equivocations, lyings, wrestings of the Scripture, raylings and other detestable principles and practices ... / published for the building up of the perseverance of the saints till they come to the end of their faith, even the salvation of their soules. Weld, Thomas, 1590?-1662. 1654 (1654) Wing W1268; ESTC R27879 78,750 103

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shall we escape if we neglect the Word which at first began to be spoken by the Lord. 4. Is not this also this fancy of perfection the great root of that great sinne against the Gospel of selfe-righteousnesse which the Apostle so much declares against Rom. 9.31.32 Rom 10.2.3 Gal. 5.4 for such is the remaining pride that is in every one that if they have any thing to glory in they will set it up as their Idoll in their hearts 5. How can sinne be mourned over and mortified when neither owned nor discovered We finde blessed Paul a Saint of another Principle then James Nayler pretends to he good man complaines of an imperfect state 1 Cor. 13.12 I see but in part he mourns over the body of his death Rom. 7.24 Oh! wretched man that I am who shall deliver me But how shall we expect this from such as hide their eyes from their bosome sinnes there can be no sense of an unseen an unfelt an unacknowledged sinne What is the reason why so little mourning and mortifying is it not blindnesse and want of discerning sinne in the exceeding sinfulnesse of it in mens hearts 6. This is to take away the end of Christs convincing men of sinne which is that free grace may superabound Rom. 5.20 What made Paul to cry out of the exceeding abundance of grace 1 Tim. 1.15 but the exceedingnesse of his sinnes I am the chiefe of sinners David though a man after Gods owne heart yet the sight of his great sins after he was in a justified state this is that which makes him cry out to the multitude of Gods tender mercies for pardon Psal 51.1 according to thy loving kindnesse according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions c. How shall a Quaker see any glory in pardoning grace as to its dayly coverings of their weaknesses when they say they are perfect and doe not sinne at all The quakers sinnes discovered notwithstanding their pretence and pleading for perfection 7. This fancy of their perfections is the hiding from their poore deluded soules of those sinnes which they are evidently under the power of in the eyes of any spirituall observer For though they cry up their owne perfections yet who knows not the sinfulnesse of their selfe-righteousnesse of their many blasphemies Heresies denying the Lord that bought them raylings pride lying reproaching of the pretious Ordinances of the living God and Messengers of Jesus Alas what observant eye doth not reade these evidently in their bookes writings words behaviours Now who knowes not if Scripture be true these are wofull corruptions and damning sinnes And shall their fancy of perfection be a covering to such abominations as these No no the Prophet Isaiah will tell them otherwise Isa 28.20 the bed is shorter then that a may can stretch himselfe on it and the covering narrower then that he can wrap himselfe in it Nay their very pleading they are perfect convinceth them of sin ☜ For Job a man of excellency and holines beyond any of them saith chap. 9.20.21 If I justifie my selfe my owne mouth shall condemne me if I say I am perfect it shall also prove me perverse though I were perfect yet would I not know my soule But such broken reeds will one day peirce their hands when the King of terrours shall arrest the body and the sorrowes of death shall compasse them about then their perfection will appeare to be a dreame Oh! that Nayler would thinke of that of Bellarmine who had long disputed for a perfection of holinesse but when he came to dye then he came to see somewhat of the raggs of his owne righteousnesse and cryed out Lord have mercy on me not according to my workings but according to thy mercies in Jesus Christ Reader if God ever open these mens eyes they will then see the need of the blood of Christ when the flames of wrath shall be burning up their straw and stubble but if the spirit of slumber shall keep them in blindnesse and in bondage still that they cannot see and will not owne their imperfection yet when Christ shall co●e in flaming fire how shall their righteousnesse shrivell together as a scrowle and be like stubble before the flame then will the vanity of that Quakers expressions be layd open That holy and close walking with God is a Saints covering fr●m the wr●●● 〈◊〉 God Oh! let the Reader Psal 2.12 Kisse the Sonne lest he be angry when his wrath is kindled ●●t a little blessed are all they that trust in him E As to this matter of perfection the summe of the rest of his answer is to pleade for perfection here from these considerations That this is the end of Christs comming to present us perfect that not one jot or tittle of the Law must passe till all be fulfilled Rom. 8.3.4 That God sent his Sonne that the righteousnesse of the Law might be fulfilled in us and to dispute against perfection here is to make the commands of Christ and endeavours of the Saints of none effect Reply 1 Iohn 3.8 opened How Christ destroyes the vvorks of the devill 1. As for the first that Christ destroyes the worke of the Devill 1 Iohn 3.8 and to this end was made manifest We answer 1 Christ destroyed the workes of the Devill for his people upon the Crosse Col. 2.14.15 and having spoyled Principalities and Powers he made a shew of them openly tryumphing over them in it Heb. 2.14 Christ himselfe tooke part of flesh and blood that by death he might destroy him that had the power of death viz. the Devill Doe we then by denying perfection of inherent holinesse in this life make voyd the end of Christs comming thus to destroy the workes of the Devill nay we establish it for by discovering of imperfection we send them to glory alone in Christ crucified Gal. 6.14.2 Christ destroyes the workes of the Devill in his people also and this is the constant carrying on of mortification in their hearts with his owne spirit whereby he takes away the doimnion and raigne of sinne Rom. 6.14 As in Paul who though he had the spirit of Christ and the dominion of sinne removed and Christ dayly destroying the workes of the Devill in him yet still he had a Law in his members warring against the Law of his minde Rom 7.23 yet there was the spirit lusting against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit Thus Christ exerciseth his conquering power in the conflicts of his Saints Now though sinne in Paul where not wholly removed or destroyed at present yet did not Christ lose this end of his being made manifest For first as he had it in part in his dayly conquering So secondly he will have it in fulnesse in his owne appointed time when the soule shall see him face to face then that which is in part shall be done away and not till then as is cleare 1 Cor. 13.9.10 3. 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