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A75552	The arguments upon the writ of habeas corpus, in the Court of Kings Bench. Wherein, are learnedly discussed, not onely the severall branches of the said writ, but also many authorities as well of the common as statute law: and divers ancient and obscure records most amply and elaborately debated and cleared. Together, with the opinion of the court thereupon. Whereunto is annexed, the petition of Sir Iohn Elliot Knight, in behalf of the liberty of the subject.	Eliot, John, Sir, 1592-1632.; England and Wales. Court of King's Bench.	1649 (1649)	Wing A3649; Thomason E543_1; ESTC R204808	64,168	98

the statute of 28 Ed. 3. cap. 9. But before that statute this writ did lie in the speciall Case as is shewn in Brooks 9th Reports Powlters Case and the end of this writ was that the Subject might not be too long detained in prison as till the Justices of Eyre discharged them so that the Law intended not that a man should suffer perpetuall imprisonment for they were very carefull that men should not bee kept too long in prison which is also a Liberty of the Subject and my Lord that this Court hath bailed upon a suspition of high treason I will offer it to your Lordship when I shall shew you presidents in these cases of a commitment by the Privy Councell or by the King himself But before I offer these presidents unto your Lordship of which there be many I shall by your Lordships favour speak a little to the next exception and that is to the matter of the return which I finde to be per speciale mandatum domini Regis 8. and what is that it is by this writ there may be sundry commands by the King we finde a speciall command often in our Books as in the statute of Marlborough cap. 8. they were imprisoned Rediss shall not be delivered without the speciall command of our Lord the King and so in Bracton De Actionibus the last chapter where it appears that the King commandment for imprisonments is by speciall writ so by writ again men are to be delivered for in the case of Rediss ' or Post Rediss ' if it shall be removed by a Certiorare is by a speciall writ to deliver parties so that by this appears that by the Kings commandment to imprison and to deliver in those cases is understood this writ and so it may be in this case which wee have heard And this return here is a speciall Mandatum it may bee understood to be under some of the Kings Seals 42 Ass and ought to be delivered and will you make a difference betweene the Kings command under his seal and his command by word of mouth what difference there is I leave it to your Lordships judgement but if there be any it is the more materiall that it should be expressed what manner of command it was which doth not here appear and therefore it may be the Kings command by writ or his command under his seal or his command by word of mouth alone And if of an higher nature there is none of these commands then the other doubtlesse it is that by writ or under seal for they are of record and in these the person may be bailed and why not in this As to the legall forme admitting there were substances in the return yet there wants legall form for the writ of Habeas Corpus is the commandment of the King to the Keeper of the prisons and thereupon they are to make return both of the body and of the cause of the commitment and that cause is to appear of them who are the immediate Officers And if he doth it by signification from another that returne is defective in Law and therefore this return cannot be good for it must be from the Officer himself and if the cause returned by him be good it bindes the prisoners The warrant of the Lords was but a direction for him he might have made his return to have been expresly by the Kings commandment there was warrant for it I shall not need to put you cases of it for it is not enough that he returns that he was certified that the commitment was by the Kings command but he must of himself return this fact as it was done And now my Lord I shal offer to your Lordship presidents of divers kindes upon commitments by the Lords of the Privy Councell upon commitments by the speciall command of the King and upon commitments both by the King and the Lords together And howsoever I conceive which I submit to your Lordship that our case will not stand upon presidents but upon the fundamentall Laws and Statutes of this Realm and though the presidents look the one way or the other they are to be brought back unto the Lawes by which the Kingdome is governed In the first of Henry the eighth Rot. Parl. 9. one Harison was committed to the Marshalsey by the command of the King and being removed by Habeas Corpus into the Court the cause returned was that he was committed per mandatum Domini Regis and he was bailed In the fortieth of Elizabeth Thomas Wendon was committed to the Gatehouse by the commandment of the Queen and Lords of the Councell and being removed by an Habeas Corpus upon the generall return and he was bailed In 8 Jacobi one Caesar was committed by the Kings commandment and this being returned upon his Habeas Corpus upon the examination of this case it doth appear that it was over-ruled that the return should be amended or else the prisoner should be delivered The presidents concerning the commitment by the Lords of the Councel are in effect the same with these where the commitment is by the reason why the cause of the commitment should not be shewn holds in both cases and that is the necessity of suit and therefore Master Stamford makes the command of the King and that of the Lords of the Privy Councell to be both as one and to this purpose if they speak he speaks and if he speaks they speak The presidents that we can shew you how the Subject hath been delivered upon commitment by the Lords of the Councel as in the time of Henry the eight as in the times of Queen Elizabeth Queen Mary are infinite as in the ninth of Elizabeth Thomas Lawrence was committed to the Towre by the Lords of the Councell and bailed upon an Habeas Corpus In the 43 of Elizabeth Calvins case In the third of Elizabeth Vernons case These were committed for high treason and yet bailed for in all these cases there must be a conviction in due time or a deliverance by Law There be divers other presidents that might be shewn to your Lordship In 12 Iacobi Miles Renards In 12 Jacobi Rot. 155. Richard Beckwiths case In 4 Iacobi Sir Thomas Monson was committed for treason to the Towre of London and afterwards was brought hither and bailed and since our case stands upon this return and yet there is no sufficient cause in Law expressed in the return of the detaining this Gentleman and since these presidents doe warrant our proceedings my humble suit unto this Court is that the Gentleman Sir Iohn Henningham who hath petitioned his Majesty that he may have the benefit of the Law and his Majesty hath signified it It is his pleasure that justice according to the Law should be administred at all times in generall to all his Subjects and particularly to these Gentlemen which is their birth-right My humble suit to your Lordship is that these Gentlemen may have the benefit of that Law and be delivered from their imprisonment Master Noye his Argument of Councell with Sir Walter Earl

prison or no I conceive that he ought not to be continued in prison admitting that the first commitment by the command of the King were lawfull yet when he hath continued in prison by such reasonable time as may be thought fit for that offence for which he is committed he ought to be brought to answer and not to continue still in prison without being brought to answer For it appears by the Books of our Laws that liberty is a thing so favoured by the Law that the Law will not suffer the continuance of a man in prison for any longer time then of necessity it must and therefore the Law will neither suffer the party Sheriffs or Judges to continue a man in prison by their power and their pleasure but doth speed the delivery of a man out of prison with as reasonable expedition as may be And upon this reason it is resolved in 1 2 El. Dyer 175. 8 Ed. 4. 13. That howsoever the Law alloweth that there may be no terme between the test of an originall Writ and the return of the same where there is only a summons and no imprisonment of the body yet it will not allow that there shall be a term between the test of a Writ of Capias and the return of the same where the body of a man is to be imprisoned insomuch that it will give no way that the party shall have no power to continue the body of a man imprisoned any longer time then needs must 39 E. 3. 7. 10 H. 7. 11. 6 E. 4. 69. 11. E. 4. 9. 48 E. 3. 1. 17 E. 3. 1 2 Hen. 7. Kellawaies Reports do all agree that if a Capias shall be awarded against a man for the apprehending of his body and the Sheriffe will return the Capias that is awarded against the party a non est inventus or that languidus est in prisona yet the Law will allow the party against whom it is awarded for the avoiding of his corporall penance and dures of imprisonment to appear gratis and for to answer For the Law will not allow the Sheriffe by his false return to keep one in prison longer then needs must 38 Ass pl. 22. Brooks imprisonment 100. saith That it was determined in Parliament that a man is not to be detained in prison after he hath made tender of his fine for his imprisonment therefore I desire your Lordship that Sir John Corbet may not be kept longer in durance but be discharged according to the Law The Lord Chief Justice his Speech Master Atturney you have heard many learned Arguments if you be provided to answer presently we will hear you but if you will have a longer day for that you are not provided to argue you may we will give it you Doderidge If you will you may see these presidents it may be you have not seen some of them and we must see them too Heath Atturney May it please your Lordship the Gentlemen that be of Councell with the Knights at the Barre they have said much and spoken very long for their Clients and to good purpose and pertinently It is a cause that carrieth with it a great deal of weight both towards the King and his Subjects also and I am not so hasty to put my self upon the main point of this cause when it is almost time for your Lordship to rise My Lord the Gentlemen have severally spoken and given and insisted upon severall reasons and they have cited many presidents I could say something of them at this present and that some of them have been mistaken and therefore I beseech your Lordship that I may have time to answer that I may not wrong the cause of the Kings part or slight the cause on the Subjects part But that which I desire to say now is that these Gentlemen have all of them gone in one form to divide the cause into two parts part 1 The first the form of the Return part 2 The second the matter of the Return For the form me thinks we may put an end to that now if your Lordship please that we may have no return to that another day but I may apply my self unto the matter of the Return To the form of the Return they have taken divers exceptions but they especially insisted upon two main heads First that the Return is not good because it is not an absolute Return I confesse the ground is well laid and the Major is good that if this Return be not positively the Return of the Warden of the Fleet himself but the relation of another it is no good Return therefore I need spend no time in that the ground being well laid but under your Lordships favour the Major proposition I deny we differ onely in that for I say that this Return is certain and that it is not the words of any man else but the express words of the Warden himself and that this is added ex abundanti to give satisfaction to the Court that he had order to make the Return therefore I desire your Lordship to cast your eyes upon the substance of the Return and distinguish it into parts The words are Detentus est in prisona sub custodia mea per speciale Mandatum domini Regis mihi significatum per Warrantum duorum Privati concilii dicti domini Regis c. If he had turned these words and said Detent ' est prout mihi significat ' per Warrantum duorum Privati concilii per speciale mandatum domini Regis then it might be taken to be the words of the Lords of the Councell but the first words being positive Detentus est per speciale mandatum domini Regis that is sufficient and the rest is surplusage and he doth not say prout mihi significut but mihi significat onely which is absolute and the resolution thereof resteth more in your Lordships expounding of the words then in putting any case upon them The second exception is taken to the form of the Return for that there is not the cause of the imprisonment returned but of the detaining alone My Lord I say no more to that but this No man is bound to answer more then that which is the contents of the Writ I know the Writ it may be to know specially the cause of the detaining or what the cause of the caption is onely and if the Officer make answer to that which is required of him in the Writ it is sufficient it may be there be presidents both ways I am sure there are detentions onely and there is no cause why the Officer should shew the time of his commitment but if the Prisoner shall desire it your Lordship may grant him a Writ to shew the cause both of his caption and detention also Thirdly they say that this Return is uncertain and that it is the Warrant of the Lords of the Councell and not of the King by which he is committed For that my

Lord I say that if it had all been left out and he had onely said Detentus fuit per speciale mandatum domini Regis it had been sufficient but when he doth more it is superfluous and not necessary for it appeared before by whom he was committed and when he returns the Warrant of the Lords of the Councell it is not their words that commit him but they being the Representative Body of the King they doe expresse what the Kings command is but they signifie nothing of their own and therefore I desire your Lordship to deliver your opinion in that point of the Return whether it be positive or no. This cause as it greatly concerns the Subjects so it much concerns the King too I am sorry there should be any occasion to bring these things in question but since it is now here I hope I shall give satisfaction to your Lordship and to the parties too and I desire that I may have Munday for it Hide Chief Justice I think it is not best for us to declare our opinions by peece-meals but upon all the case together and as well as you are a stranger to the Return so are we and there be many presidents and Acts of Parliament not printed which we must see Doderidge This is the greatest cause that ever I know in this Court our Judgements that we give between party and party between the King and the meanest Subject ought to be maturely advised on for so are the entries of our judgements Quod matura deliberatione habita It was judged c. And we must see the presidents and Acts of Parliament that we hear mentioned Justice Jones Master Atturney if it be so that the Law of Magna Charta and other Statutes be now in force and the gentlemen be not delivered by this Court how shall they be delivered apply your self to shew us any other way to deliver them Doderidge Yea or else they shall have a perpetuall imprisonment Per Curiam Munday was appointed for the Atturneys Argument and in the interim the Councell for the gentlemen were by order appointed for to attend the Judges with all the presidents and unprinted Statutes which they mentioned and that they should let the Atturney see them also And the gentlemen being asked if they desired to come again answered they did and a Rule was entred for it On Munday the 27 of Tertio Michaelis 3º Caroli Regis in Banco Regis Sir John Corbet Sir Walter Earle Sir Edmund Hampden and Sir John Henningham Knights were brought to the Barre Heath Atturney Generall MAY it please your Lordship these gentlemen Sir Walter Earle Sir John Corbet Sir Edmund Hampden and Sir John Henningham upon their motion to this Court to have their Habeas Corpus and that themselves and the cause of their detaining them in their severall Prisons might be brought before your Lordship had it granted to them My Lord at the first motion of it the knowledge thereof of comming and that they had such a desire his Majesty was very willing to grant unto them as to all his Subjects this common case of Justice and though it be a case which concerns himself in a high degree yet he hath been so gracious and so just as not to refuse to leave the examination and determination thereof to the Laws of this Kingdome My Lord it is very true that this is a very great Cause and hath raised a great expectation and for the manner of it more then was necessary but my Lord I am afraid these gentlemen whom it concerns have rather advised their Councell then their Councell them but I shall take the case as now I finde it and as the gentlemens Councell on the other side have led me the way to it My Lord the exceptions that have been taken by the Councell on the other side to the Return made by the Warden of the Fleet and the rest of the Guardians of severall Prisons have been two for renewing of your Lordships memory we will read one of the Returns they are all alike Then the Return was read for Sir John Henningham by Master Keeling Heath Atturney May it please your Lordship against this Return the Councell of the Gentlemen have taken some exceptions and have divided their objections into two main points The one the form the other the matter To the form they have objected four severall things First that the Return is not positive but referred to the signification made by another as the Lords of the Councell Secondly that the Keepers of the Prisons have not returned the cause of the commitment but the cause of the cause which is not good Thirdly that the Return is imperfect for that it shews onely the cause of the detaining in Prison and not the cause of the first commitment And lastly that the Return is contradictory in it self for that in the first part thereof there is a certification that the detaining of these gentlemen in prison is Per speciale mandatum domini Regis and when the Warrant of the Lords of the Councell is shewed it appears that the commitment is by the command of the King signified by the Lords of the Councell and by your Lordships favour I will give a severall answer to every of these severall objections And for the first that the Return is not positive and affirmative but depends upon and hath relation to some other and therefore it is not good I doe agree that the ground is true that if the Return be not positive it is not good we differ onely in the Minor That the Return is not positive and affirmative for I agree that these Book cases that have been put are good Law as 27 Ass pl. 65. that if the Sheriffe return that he hath sent to the Bailiffe of the hundred and he gives him that answer that is no good Return for the Sheriffs ought to make the Return as of his own act without naming of the Bailiffe of the Hundred in his Return for if he return Quod mandavi Ballivo itineranti qui habet Retorn omnium Brevium executionem eorund per Cartam domini Regis qui mihi dedit nullum Responsum this is not good if he were not Bailiffe of a Franchise or Signiory for so is 21 H. 7. fol. 4. There hath been cited to maintain these objections 20 Ed. 3. the Record I have perused and there I finde that the Bishop said that it is found in Archivis in the Record c. that he was excommunicated but it was found to be in Archivis c. and that is no positive return that it is so I will oppugne what hath been said by the Councell on the other side it must be granted that if the return here be not positive it is imperfect and in 5 H. 7. 28. it is said that an imperfect return is no return at all it is all one but if the return was so that was not much materiall for then it were

at that time May it please your Lordship I am of Councell with Sir Walter Earl one of the prisoners at the Barre the return of this writ is as those that have been before they are much of one tenour and as you have heard the tenour of that so this Gent. coming hither by an Habeas Corpus I will by your Lordships favour read the writ Carolus Dei Gratia c. Iohanni Lylo Milit ' Guardian ' Prison ' nostrae de le Fleet Salut ' Praecipimus tibi quod corpus Walteri Earl Milit ' in prison ' nostra sub custodia tua detent ' ut dicit una cum causa detentionis suae quocunque nomine praedict ' Walter ' censeat in eadem Habeas Corpus ad subjiciendum recipiendum ea quae curia nostra de eo ad tunc ibidem ordin ' conting ' in hac parte haec nullatenus omit ' periculo incumbent ' habeas tibi hoc breve Test ' Hyde apud Westminster quarto die Novembris Anno 8. Executio istius brevis patet in quadam schedula huic brevi annexat ' Prisonum Regis de le Fleet. Respons Johan ' Liloe Guardian ' Prison ' de le Fleet. Ego Iohannes Lyloe Mil ' Guardian ' Prison ' domini Regis de le Fleet Serenissimo Domino Regi apud Westminster ' 8. Post receptionem hujus brevis quod in hac schedula est mentionat ' Certifico quod Walter Earl miles in eodem brevium nominat ' detentus est in Prisona de le Fleet sub custodia mea praedict ' per speciale mandatum domini Regis mihi significatum per Warrantum duorum aliorum de Privato Concilio per Honorabilissimi dicti Domini Regis cujus quidem tenor sequitur in haec verba Whereas Sir Walter Earle Knight was heretofore committed to your custody these are to will and require you still to detain him letting you know that both his first commitment and this direction for the continuance of him in prison were and are by his Majesties speciall commandment from White Hall 7 Novembris 1627. Thomas Coventree C. S. Henry Manchester Thomas Suffolk Bridgewater Kellie R. Duneln ' Thomas Edmunds John Cook Marlebrugh Pembrook Salisbury Totnes Grandisson Guliel ' Bath Wells Robert Nanton Richard Weston Humphrey Mayes To the Guardian of the Fleet or his Deputy Et haec est causa detentionis praedict ' Walteri Earl sub custodia mea in Prison ' praedict ' Attamen corpus ejusdem Walteri coram Domino Rege ad diem locum praedictum post receptionem brevis praedict ' parat ' habeo prout istud breve in se exiget requiret Respon ' Johan ' Liloe milit ' Guardian Prison de le Fleet. My Lord the first Habeas corpus bears date the 4 of November then there is an Alias habeas bears Teste after that and the tenour thereof is a command to the Warden of the Fleet quod habeas corpus Walteri Earle coram nobis ad subjiciendum recipiendum ea quae curia nostra de eo c. ordin ' conting And the Warden of the Fleet he certifies as your Lordship have heard May it please your Lordship I desire as before was defired for the other Gentlemen that Sir Walter Earl may bee also bailed if there be no other cause of his imprisonment for if there were a cause certified and that cause were not sufficient to detain him still in prison your Lordship would baile him and if a man should bee in worse case when there is no cause certified at all that was very hard The writ is that he should bring the prisoner coram nobis before the King the end of that is ad subjiciendum recipiendum now I conceive that though there be a signification of the Kings pleasure to have this Gentleman imprisoned yet when the King grants this writ to bring the prisoner hither ad subjiciendum recipiendum his pleasure likewise is to have the prisoner let goe if by Law he be not chargeable or otherwise to detain him still in prison if the case so require it I will put your Lordship in minde of a case and it was Pasch 9 Ed. 3. M. 3. I will cite by the placita because my Book is not paged as other Books are it is in the case of a Cessavit In that case there were two things considerable the one that there was a signification of the Kings pleasure past and that determined with him the other that though there was a signification of the Kings pleasure before which was yet there comes after that a writ and that was another signification of the Kings pleasure that the prisoner shal be brought hither ad subjiciendum to submit himself to punishment if he have deserved it or ad recipiendum to receive his enlargement and be delivered if there be no cause of his imprisonment And if upon an Habeas corpus a cause of commitment bee certified that cause is to be tried here before your Lordship But if no cause be shewn then the proceedings must be ut curia nostra ad mar ' contigerit the Court must doe that which stands with Law and Justice and that is to deliver him My Lord I shall be bold to move one word more touching this return I conceive that every Officer to a Court of Justice must make his return of his own act or of the act of another and not what he is certified of by another But in this case the Warden of the Fleet doth not certifie himself of himselfe that this Gentleman was commanded to him by the King but that he was certified by the Lords of the Councell that it was the Kings pleasure that he should detain him But in our case the Warden of the Fleet must certifie the immediate cause and not the cause of the cause as it doth by this return Detentus est sub custodia mea per speciale mandatum Domini Regis mihi significatum per Warrantum duorum de Privato Concilio that is not the use in Law but he ought to return the primary cause and not the subsequent cause as in 32 Edw. 3. returne Rex vicecom ' 87. in a writ De homine replegiando against an Abbot the Sheriffe returns that hee hath sent to the Bayliffe of the Abbot and he answered him that the party was the Abbots villain and so he cannot deliver him that is held an insufficient return and a new Alias was granted but if the Sheriffe had returned that the Abbot did certifie him so it had been good but he must not return what is certified him by another In one of the presidents that hath been noted as that of Parker 22 Hen. 8. there the Guardian of the prison certifies that Parker detentus est sub custodia mea per mandatum