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A13028	An assertion for true and Christian church-policie VVherein certaine politike obiections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation, are sufficientlie aunswered. And wherein also sundrie projectes are set downe, how the discipline by pastors & elders may be planted, without any derogation to the Kings royal prerogatiue, any indignitie to the three estates in Parleament, or any greater alteration of the laudable lawes, statutes, or customes of the realme, then may well be made without damage to the people.	Stoughton, William, fl. 1584.; Knollys, Francis, Sir, d. 1643.	1604 (1604)	STC 23318; ESTC S117843	177,506	448

be continued but to continue evill And what a thing were that This argument then for lawes setled being the sophisme of that Fox Steven Gardener is but a quarelsome and wrangling argument Admonition If this goverment whereof they Pag. 7● speake be as they say necessarie in all places then must they haue of necessitie in everie particular parish one Pastor a companie of Seniors and a Deacon or two at the least al those to be found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attende vpon the matters of the Church But there are a number of Parishes in England not able to finde one tollerable Minister much lesse to find such a companie Assertion This argument seemeth to be drawne from kitchin profite and is but a bugbegger to scarr covetous men from submitting their neckes vnto the yoke of that holy Discipline which our Savior Christ hath prescribed and which the Admonitor himselfe confesseth to haue bene practised by the Apostles and primitive Church And yet because this argument seemeth to lay a very heavie burden on mens shoulders such as is impossible to be borne it is an argumēt That Seniours Deacons should be found at the charge of the Parish is absurd worthy to bee examined though in it selfe the same be very vntrue absurd For who did ever fancie that a Pastour a company of Seniours and a Deacon or two at the least should be men of occupations or that they should be all found of the parish because they must leaue their occupations to attend vpon the matters of the Church Why there be many hūdreths of parishes in England wherein there dwelleth not one man of an occupation And what reason then or likelihood of reason was there to father such an absurd necessitie vpon the Church As for the necessitie of having one Pastour in every particular parish and of his finding by the parish because it is his duety to attend vpon reading exhortation doctrine although he be no man of occupation this I say is agreable consonant to the goverment of the church practised by the Bishops And therefore in the finding having of one Pastour in every parish they and we differ not But that men of occupations onelie should bee chosen Seniours and Deacons in every parish or if Seniours and Deacons were men of occupations in any parish that they should bee all found of the parish wee vtterly disclayme as an absurditie of absurdities And yet wee deny not but in Cities and great Townes wherin for the most part men of trade do inhabite that Seniours Deacons must of necessitie be men of occupations Vnlesse then an occupation must of necessitie hinder men from being faithfull religious godly men there is no reason to inforce that mē of occupations in Cities and great townes should not be chosen Seniors and Deacons And as for Countrey parishes What kinde of mē ought to be chosen Seniours Deacons wherein either verie fewe or no men of occupations doe reside this obiection is altogether idle In which parishes also we affirme that men of greatest gravitie integritie wisedome faith and godlines ought to be chosen Seniours and Deacons And we doubt not but all such men as whom we intend ought to bee chosen Seniours and Deacons whether dwelling in Cities Townes or in the Coūtrey would be as readie as willing and as watchfull prudentlie to imploy them selues hereafter in matters of the Church as now either them selues or their equalles are busied in matters of their corporations or common weale without anie maner of contribution to be yeelded towards their finding When the people of Israell were commanded to pay their tythes first fruites and other oblations vnto the Priestes Levites for their attendance and service in the Sāctuarie we doe not reade in the whole booke of God that they were inioyned to be helpers and cōtributors to the reliefe and sustentation of the Captaynes over thousands of the Captaines over hundreds nor of the Elders Governours placed Citie by Citie for the affaires of the King And therefore sithence we haue neither precept nor president that all the officers of the church should bee founde at the costes of the Church and sithence also as well in Coūtrey parishes as in Cities townes to the prayse and glorie of God be it spoken we haue many able wealthie substantiall persons who haue giuen their names vnto Christ what necessitie is there that any such Seniours and Deacons should be elected as haue need to be relieved and supported by a common purse And had the Admonitor wel and advisedlie pōdered that our Church Church wardens side men are not found at the chardges of the parishes Wardens side men who carie a semblance of governing Seniours that our collectors also for the poore who iustle out the Deacons being all of them men of occupations poore husbandmen or day labourers and being not founde of the parish are notwithstandinge oftentimes in the yere troubled and turmoyled from one end of the Diocesse vnto the other and that which is more from attendance vpon their day labour husbandrie and occupations to weight and to attend not vpō matters of the church but vpon money matters perteyning to the officers of the Bb. Consistorie Had he I say wiselie and sincerelie considered these things he would certeinlie not once haue mencioned this so sillie and simple a suggestion But quite cleane to cutt of at one blow all the skirtes of the coat of this sillie bulbegger that the verie buttockes of it may bee bare and that the church may see there is no such burdensome charge to bee layde vpon her as is feyned the graue and godlie iudgement and policie of King Edward The iudgemēt of King Ed. the sixt cōmissioners touching Elders and Deacons the sixt his Commissioners authorized to compile a booke for the reformatiō of lawes ecclesiasticall according to an Act of Parleament in that behalfe provided shall rise vp for vs and pleade the trueth and equitie of this our sayinges The Commissioners names were these viz. The most reverend Father Thomas Crammer Archbishoppe of Canterburie Thomas Bishoppe of Ely Richard Cox the Kings Almoner Peter Martyr professor of Divinitie William May Rowland Taylor Doctors of the Lawe Sir Iohn Cheeke Iohn Lucas Richard Goddericke Maister Hadon and others All Titul de diuiois officijs cap. 10. fol. 45. which reverend learned and religious men as with one voyce accord speak one thing so thus and thus they speake Evening prayer being finished wherevnto all shal be attēdant after sermon in their owne Churches the chief minister whom they call Parochies and the Deacon if happely they shal be present or they being absent let the Ministers Vicars and Elders lo the Archb. of of Cāterburie afterwards a godlie Martyr and Bishoppes can skill of the name of Deacon and Elders with the people conferr about the money put apart to

nominate and elect their new Mayor Sherifes and Baylifes But that the Aldermen principall Townsmen Boroughmaisters and men having borne chief offices in those Cities Townes Boroughes haue easilie bene wrought by ambitious persons to giue their consents vnto vnworthie men though it haue pleased the Ll. Bb. with seene and allowed to haue spred and published this saying yet that the same saying is wholy vnworthie of anie credite to be giuen vnto it or to bee regarded of any wise and indifferent man let the sober peaceable elections made of the worthies of the lande hereafter mencioned be witnesses And to leaue to speake of the election of the Lord The officers in Cities Townes corporate chosen without contentiō ambitious working of vnworthy men Mayor of the Citie of London Sherifes Aldermen Wardens of companies Chāberlaynes Bridge-maisters and other annuall officers of honor and dignitie let vs consider whether the Citizens of London haue bene wrought by ambitious persons to choose Maister Wilbraham Maister Onslie Mr Bromly to bee their Recorders all three afterwarde the Queenes sollicitors and Maister Bromly Lord Chancelour of Englande and let vs consider whether the same Citizens as men of affection and want of ●ight iudgement did elect to be Recorders of the same Citie Mai. Serieant Fleetwood Maister Serieant Fleming Maister Serieant Drue and now Maister Crooke a mā wise learned and religious a Coūseler and Iusticer within the Principalitie of Wales The Recorder of the Towne of Bedford is the right honorable the lord St Iohns of Bletsoe The Recorder of Bristoll was a long time Maister Poppam now Lord chief Iustice of England The Recorder of Northampton before he came to be Iudge in the Kings bench was Maister Serieant Yelverton a favourer of the trueth an vpright Iusticer The Recorder of Warwicke was Maister Serieant Puckering afterward Lord Keeper of the great seale And of the same Towne the Recorder now is a worthie Knight descended from a noble house Sir Foulke Grevile The Recorder of Covētrie is Sir Iohn Harrington Knight a man zealous for the true feare of God The Recorder of Chichester was Mai. Serieant Lewkner now chief Iustice in the principalitie of Wales The Recorder of Norwich was Maister Cooke the Kings Atturney generall And who soeuer shall enquire after the names after the maner of election of all the Recorders in all other Cities Boroughes of the land I doubt not but he shall find them all to haue bene farre frō any least shew of ambitious working the Citiezens and Townsmen to nominate and elect thē Moreover as these Noble persons these sage graue learned and christian Gentlemen quietlie and in all peaceable manner with vpright and good affectiō and iudgement without ambitiō haue bene chosen by the Citizens Townsmen Borough-masters to the offices of Recordershippes So likewise manie sundrie honorable Coūselors Honorable Counselors chosen high stewardes without ambitious working haue bene and as occasion is ministred are daily elected by Citizens Townsmen to be their high Stewards Sir Frācis Knolles an honorable Counsailour one whose faith was famous among the churches as well abroad as at home by the electiō of the Citizens of Oxford remayned vntill he died high Stewarde of the Citie of Oxford The right honorable Sir Francis Walsingam by the cōmon Counsayle of Ipswich was made high Steward of the same Towne after whose decease the same cōmon coūsell by their electiō surrogated into the same place the right honorable the L. Hunsdon late L. Chamberlaine the right honorable Sir Christopher Hattō L. Chancelour of Englande by the Townsmen of Cābridg was chosen to be high steward for the town of Cābridge The right honorable the old Earle of Arundell after him the right honorable Earle of Lincolne and after his death the right honorable the Lord High Admirall of England now Earle of Notingham by the Borough-maisters of the Towne of Gildforde was elected to be high steward of the Towne of Gildeford Of all which honorable persons and of all other their Peeres chosen in other places of the Kingdome by the same meanes to the like offices there is great reason iust cause for the reverend Bb. to cary a more reverend estimation towards thē then to burthen them as ambitious persons to haue sought their places at the hands of men affected wanting right iudgment As for any other offices of credite dignitie charge and gouerment in the common weale now remayning in the choyse of the commons it may easilie be proved that the common people in sundrie places haue bent and opposed thē selues against ambitious persons who by sinister indirect meanes haue hunted for preferrement at their handes And what if it can not be gayne-said but that some publicke officers chosen by publicke applause of the people haue corruptly behaued themselues in their charges and haue not so equally and indifferently distributed iustice to all degrees as it became them yet this their misdemeanor can no more iustly be laid as a fault nor any more disgrace or discountenance the ancient and commendable forme and manner of election then the hipocrisie or counterfeyt zeale of an euill man ordeyned by the Bishop to be a Minister can be imputed vnto his letters of orders or manner of ordination Besides if none bee able to proue that the choyse of the Knights Knights of the Shires other officers chosen by the people without trouble to the state of our Shires Coroners of the Counties Verderers of the Kings forrests resting in the free voices and consents of the freeholders that the nomination of the high Constables being in the disposition of the Iustices of peace at their quarter sessions that the choyse of our peti-Conestables third Boroughes Tything men Church wardens Wardens for the high wayes overseers for the poore side men such like remayning altogether in the free election of the sutors to courts leets and law dayes and of the inhabitants Parishioners of every Village Hamlet or Tything haue bene troublesome to the Lievetenants of the Shires to the Stewards of our Courts to the Lords of our liberties nor to the Ordinaries of the Diocesses If I say there be not any one man able to bring foorth some few persons for many yeres passed by whom the Officers and Magistrates of the Queenes peace haue bene sued vnto and importuned for the pacification of any strife contention or debate of any busy head or ambitious person raysed among the people about the choise of any one of these Officers then I say it is meete and it importeth the Lords Bishops very deepely that for ever hereafter they bee silent and never any more vtter so vile a slander against so Noble a people as are the people of England viz. that vpon affection and want of right iudgment they will easily be led by ambitious persons to preferre vnworthy persons vnto all Offices of gayne or dignitie Or that