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A02630 An ansvvere to Maister Iuelles chalenge, by Doctor Harding Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. 1564 (1564) STC 12758; ESTC S103740 230,710 411

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this behalfe geuen semeth plainely to require go you sayeth he to his Apostles and teach all nations baptizing them etc and yet the church hath not feared to baptise infantes that be with out capacitie of teaching and for the due administration of this Sacrament to many hath thoughte powring or sprinkling of water vpon them sufficient though this be not spoken of I saye it is much to be consydered to this purpose that the Apostles stickte not for a tyme to alter and chaunge the very essentiall forme of wordes with which Christ would this sacrament to be ministred For where as he commaunded them to baptise in the name of the father and of the sonne Act. 8. and of the holy ghost th●y baptized in the name of Iesus Christ only intending thereby to make that to be of more fame and celebritie So to retourne to the Sacrament of the bodye and bloude of Christ whereof we treate no man can denye but many thinges were at th'institution of it done by the example of Christ and by him commaunded which now be not obserued and yet in that respecte no faulte is fownde Christ washed the Apostles feete and gaue them an expresse commaundement to doo the same with these moste plaine wordes If I that am your Maister and lorde Ioan. 6. haue wasshed your feete you also ought to wash one an others feete For I haue geuen you an example that as I haue done you doo so likewise Which commaundement of Christ according to the outward letter verely bindeth no lesse then these wordes Drinke ye all of this yet this commaundement is not kepte but cleane growen out of vse Though it appeare by Saint Bernard In ser de coena do who calleth it Magnum Sacramentum a great Sacrament and long before by reporte of S. Cyprian In serm de vnctione chrismatis that Christ dyd not onely washe his Apostles feete but commaunded also by solemne request and ordeined that th'apostles afterward should doo the same Whether this ordinance of Christ hath ben abolished for that it should not be thought a rebaptization as it may be gathered of S. Augustine Ad Ianuarium c. 18 or for any other cause it forceth not greatly But this is much to be merueiled at that this so earnestly commaunded is so quietly and with such silence suffered vndone and in the ministration of the Sacrament the vse of the cuppe so factiously and with so much crying out required Neither in many other rites and ceremonies we do not as Christ dyd Christ celebrated this sacrament after that he had supped we do it in the morning and fasting Christ sate at the table with his twelue Apostles neither sytte we at a table neither thinke we it necessary to obserue such number Christ brake the bread we thinke it not necessary to breake the hoste that is to be delyuered to the faithfull participantes Here is to be noted that saint Cyprian rebuking them which thought sprinkling or powring of water not to be sufficient for baptisme declareth that the saraments be not to be estemed according vnto their extreme and rigorouse obseruation or administration of all the externe elementes but rather according to the integritie and soundnes of faith of the geuer and of the receiuer and that diuine thinges vsed in a compendious sorte conferre and geue neuerthelesse to the right beleuers their whole vertue lib. 4. epist 7. Many other cōmaundemētes of God concerning outward thinges might here be rehearsed which notwithstanding by litle and litle in the churche haue ben omitted as the forebearing of strangled thinges and bloude which was cōmaunded by God in the olde testament and according to the pleasure and aduise of the holy gost decreed by the Apostles in the newe testament yet for as much as concerneth outward thinges both this and many other the like haue in processe of tyme growen out of obseruation and haue with out any scruple of conscience ben abrogated I truste no man will gather of that I haue sayde here that it is none offence to doo against Gods commaundemente My meaning is farre otherwise Neither saye I that this saying of Christ in Mathew Drinke ye all of this or that in Ihon Excepte ye eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloude ye shal not haue lyfe in you or other cōmaundementes of Christ be not to be kepte but this is that I saye and that euery catholike man sayeth that the vniuersall churche doth better vnderstand which are the cōmaundemētes of Christ and how they ought to be kepte then Berengarius Wiclef Hus Luther Zuinglius Caluine Cranmare Peter Martyr or any their scolers and folowers which now be sundry sectes As for example God hath thus cōmaunded Matth. 5. Exod. 20. thow shalt not sweare and thow shalt not kylle and if thine eye cause the to offende pull him out and cast him awaye from the. Whereas certaine sectes of heretikes as namely they which be called Waldenses and Picardi by their construction hereof haue mainteined opinion that no othe ought to be geuen or made in no case or respecte lyke wise that in no case or respecte a man may doo an other to death and also that after the outward letter of the gospell sometyme a man is bounde to pull out his eye and cast it from him which thing hath bē done by some of the Picardes as it is reported as though elles Gods commaundement were not kepte this hath so ben vnderstanded by the catholike churche confessing neuerthelesse these to be gods commaundementes as in tyme in place and in certaine cases a man might and ought without breach of commaundement bothe sweare and kylle and likewise kepe his eye in his head and therein offend God nothing at all So the catholike churche vnderstandeth Drynke ye all of this to be Christes commaundement and of necessitie to be obserued but of priestes onely I meane of necessitie and that when in the sacrifice of the church is celebrated the memorie of Christes death which in that degree be the successours of the Apostles to whom that commaundement was specially geuen when they were consecrated priestes of the new testamēt who so dyd drinke in dede as S. Marke witnesseth Et biberunt ex eo omnes Mar. 14. And they dranke all of it To these onely and to none other the catholike churche hath euer referred the necessitie of that cōmaundement Elles if the necessitie of it should perteine to all and because Christ sayde Drinke ye all of this if all of euery state and condition of necessitie ought to drinke of the cuppe how is it come to passe that oure aduersaries them selues who pretēde so streight a conscience herein kepe from it infantes and young children vntill they come to good yeres of discretion specially where as the custome of the primitiue churche was that they also should be partakers of this sacrament as it may playnely be sene in S. Dionyse Cyprian Augustine