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A10507 A sermon preached April, 8. 1635 At a visitation at Brentvvood in Essex. By Alexander Read, Doctor of Divinitie, late fellow of Pembroke-Hall in Cambridge, now Parson of Fifield in Essex. Read, Alexander, Doctor of Divinitie. 1636 (1636) STC 20780; ESTC S102936 12,328 26

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quarters of an houre before he can have a company that shall beare the face of a Congregation in the meane time the Church-yard hath his severall confabulations consultations and deambulations his laughings leapings and shoutings An undecent thing I say since it is the office of Bels to make them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That is to call them out of Houses Streets Fields Church-yards and all places into Churches 3 It seemes to me an undecent thing That if the Minister begin at his appointed time or soone after the last toll halfe prayers nay 3 quarters should be don sermon begun before the Congregation meet Since the first part of our Liturgy is as acceptable to God as the middle and end And since hee never in any undertaking makes a good end that leaves out the beginning or middle 4 It seems to me an undecent thing that whē halfe divine Service is lost for want of company the rest should be lost for want of auditors My meaning is the clashing of Pattens in the porches and the clamping of nailed shooes on the pavements of the Church the rusling up of those who are already kneel'd to make way for them that come late to come to their seates do so cry down for half an houre together the rest of the Liturgy that those that should be auditors are but images they have eares to heare but heare not An undecent thing I say Since divine service ought to be free frō disturbance as wel of walking as of talking Canon 18. 5 It seemes to me an undecent thing and not only deordinatū but deordinans a cause of much disorder That in Parishes where there are that come not to Church in 6 weekes 8 weekes 18 weeks together being able persons That in Parishes where there are young ones of 12 or 14 yeares of age which never yet came in Church but once viz. on the day of their Baptisme Yet our Church-wardens should give up bils with Omnia bene An undecent thing I say since the Courts of reformation are the immediate instruments of GOD by which he keepes his Church in decency order And since Oathes there given are the strongest instruments of Courts Erasm Ling. 95. Since the greatest sinne next to blasphemy which the tongue can cōmit is Perjury and the greatest perjury is perjury before a rightfull Iudge sitting in actu judicativo 6 It seems to me an undecent thing That young boyes of 14 and 16 yeares of age should sit covered while the Preacher is delivering to him Gods message Kem. Harm l. 4. part 1.138 Since potiores sunt partes docentis quam discentis sedere cooperire is the proper situs habitus docentis And since the sonne owes this to his Father and the servant to his master and the inferiors to the heads of the Congregation not to sit covered at so small a a distance 7 It seems to me an undecent thing That Parishioners should teach the Minister another method of care of soules then the Canons doe That he should leave out a lesson with the Epistle and Gospell the Letanie and Commandements that they may have Sermon enough Since the Lessons Epistles and Gospels are verbum Dei 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but a Sermon is but verbum dei 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 at the most and I would to God that those Sermons which such men so much glote after and preferre so farre before Lessons Epistles and Gospels were alway so much 8 It seemes to me an undecent thing That in a Parish of Three or 400 people there should not be found three beside the Clerke that answer Amen to our Prayers or make any responsorie to the Commandements or other parts of the Liturgy And that selfe-conceited man Kem. Harm l. 2.136 his braines stood certainly the backside forward that acquitted himselfe and his Sect of their lip-labour thus How should a man say Amen to that he understands not the plainnesse of our prayers convince him rather of Schisme and obstinacie than of ignorance Canon 8. An undecent thing I say Since the Amen of the mouth is as due as the Amen of the heart if both need both must aske if both receive both must give thankes Since in the times of the Church nearer CHRIST the whole people not onely the Clerke answered Amen to the Church prayers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Iustin Mart. Pag 1 ●2 Ar●t Pr●bl 227. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And that not with whispering or mumbling but fausta acclamatione with a shouting voice a voyce of men shewing how they favoured them consented to them and desired they should prosper * Nonnius Marcellus Faustus a favendo Yea since even in the Churches trained up under the Apostles themselves All the people said Amen * Bell. tom 3 48● How shall hee that occupies the roome of the unlearned say Amen at the giving of thanks 1 Cor. 14.16 Yea since the light of nature teaches as much for thence Epicletus had it If I were a Nightingale sayth hee I would doe as a Nightingale but being a man I will doe as a man I will not be all voyce for that 's like a bird too low nor all spirit for that 's like an Angell too high for me but spirit and voyce that 's like a Man I will keep my ranke And Constantine the Great whose memory ought ever to bee honourable in the Church would not onely say Amen to the prayers but would reade the verses of the Psalmes interchangeably with the Minister * S D. 185 sayth Euseb in vit Const 9 It seemes to me 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a disorder That Parishioners should throng by Thirties and by forties to other Churches and leave their owne empty That a sicke party should send to the next Parish to bee prayed for That another on his death-bed should send for the same Minister home to him to visit him to pray with him to Preach for him In the mean time the proper Pastor to whom God and the Church hath committed the care of his soule though hee offer his service shall not be accepted though he offer to Preach there shall be no Sermon rather What is this but for the people to usurp Episcopall authority To set over themselves what pastor they please nay more then Episcopall authority Vpon every vaine fancie to chose upon every vaine fl●sh to leave their choise In those ancient Churches where by connivence not of right the people had a hand in the choyse of their Pastor yet when they had chosen they were no more at liberty to leave them Even in St. Iohns time though Parishes were not yet divided As the 7 Angels had their severall Churches so those 7. Churches had their severall Angels Apoc. 1.20 10 It seemed to me an undecent speech his brains sure had no Pia mater that spoke it I heard sayth one a Preacher and he spake for the bowing at the name of IESVS he