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A91714 A review of a certain pamphlet under the name of one John Lilburne. By a well-willer to the peace of Sion. Imprimatur. John Downame. Well-Willer to the Peace of Sion. 1645 (1645) Wing R1196; Thomason E278_4; ESTC R200010 12,165 15

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A REVIEW Of a certain PAMPHLET Under the name of one JOHN LILBVRNE By a well-willer to the Peace of Sion 2 Corinth 10.12 18. verses For we dare not make our selves of the number or to compare our selves to them which praise themselves But they understand not that they measure themselves with themselves and compare themselves with themselves 18. For he that praiseth himselfe is not allowed but he whom the Lord praiseth Galath 6.3 2 Tim. 4.3 4. Proverbs 26.12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit there is more hope of a foole or a man may expect better than of him Imprimatur JOHN DOWNAME LONDON Printed for Thomas Vnderhill dwelling at the Bible in Wood-street 1645. TO THE HONOVRABLE AND HIS VERY GOOD FRIEND WILLIAM PRYN Esquire SIR HAving cast my eye into the world to observe the occurrences and take notice of the Controversies of the time there fell into my hands some of your writings disputing the case of Presbyterie and Independency which having perused with consideration I received much satisfaction though I met with many cavils fallen from the pens of severall Writers of differing spirits seeking to destroy the fruit of your endevours But I found none that were of sufficient strength to overthrow those positive truths by you asserted In particular there came to my hand a Pamphlet of somewhat a later edition than the former full of bitter invectives against the Truth and all government but what private phancy shall exalt And this under the hand of one John Lilburne in an Epistolary way directed to your selfe At which being fil'd with indignation to see the strangenesse of that spirit that wrought in its endictment and is now working in the world excellently set forth by Jude in his Epistle 19. verse Makers of Sects 〈◊〉 having not the Spirit clearly demonstrating what they would do might they prevaile for that liberty so much contended for I was compelled after much striving within my self to review what he had done and to give in my judgement for the benefit of the Church of God which I have finished by way of Epistle I recommend to your Patronage which if I obtain I having the happinesse I sought after who am not my own but the Truths and yours in all Observance From my Study this 27. of January 1644. SIR That I have not declared my self unto you I hope you will dispense with many reasons have induced me to silence herein hereafter if God will I shall take occasion to tender my service and acknowledge my engagement and not mine alone but the engagement of the whole Church of God for your faithfull endevours Fare you well The Epistle to the Reader Christian Reader HAving taken a short view of a certain Pamphlet that is cast abroad under the name of one John Lilburne Directed to Master Pryn which is stuft with so much gall and bitternesse and so little of that sweet ingredient of love of which I find not one dram in 189. lines against the State Parliament and all Synods c. I judge it to be of very evill consequence and might produce dangerous effects amongst weak soules that are apt to take all for Gospell such men speak how wide soever it be from it I conceived my selfe upon this consideration bound in conscience to speak a word if I were able to satisfie weak and unstable soules And for unmasking the subtilty of men deciphered in the tenth verse of Judes Epistle But these speak evill of those things which they know not and inverse the eighth likewise notwithstanding these dreamers also defile the flesh And despise Government and speak evill of them which are in Authority If any thing be added for thy establishment in the Truth let God have the glory and let him have thy prayers who is Thine in the Lord Jesus TO IOHN LILBURNE Lieutenant Colonell These SIR HAving perused a paper in forme of an Epistle subscribed a Letter written by John Lilburn c. to William Pryn Esquire wherein you take occasion in your Exordium to intimate that honour God vouchsafed you to be a witnesse to the Truth with Master Pryn under the reign of Episcopall tyranny Yet there is a vast difference between the grounds of suffering on the one side and on the other Paul tels us of suffering as busie bodies God grant this charge fall not upon you And indeed it is not so much the suffering as the suffering like a Christian that is acceptable with God or esteemed worthy of honour before men from whence you draw an Argument to prove an affection in people towards you to the misleading of their judgements causing them to build with too much confidence on what shall be spoken or written by you without due examination never eying or considering what is said so much as the persons speaking who they be you give me not to understand except in Generall your constant practice in cases subject to doubts as if your charge did reach to all and not unto particulars the latter of which I conceive comes nearest Truth It being the weaknesse of some not able to judge and determine of these things or the wilfulnesse of others that have judgement yet willingly permit the mists and fogs of darknesse to over-cloud it when as the more learned and instructed receive things not upon bare affirmation a mighty pillar for upholding your foundation but with judgement what they find is most agreeable to Truth in their understandings setting by what upon search not upon phansie they find not consonant to the Word and this is done without any prejudice to or pre-judging of the abilities of those that excell them How ever you are pleased to conceive of others in this particular I heartily wish you were not or would not be ignorant of one thing To consider how much of this spirit rules in those that are contrary minded to Master Pryn or any adhering to him in judgement and if I mistake not presumption laid aside your self is not a little guilty in this charge 2. The second particular I find in order to be spoken of is Master Pryns bitter and unsavoury language as you say against the Saints of God and the unspotted wayes of Jesus Christ To this I reply That what bitternesse c. you may meet with exceeding your own was not I dare affirme against the Saints of God truly so walking in the unspotted wayes of Jesus Christ neither can be collected from any thing by him written But against those phansies and strange Enthusiasmes which those that call themselves Saints by way of priviledge and prerogative which yet I see them not to be and under that notion take a liberty to vent and broach Doctrines and conclusions contrary to faith and good manners tending directly to Anarchy and confusion against these his zeale was powred forth as it were without measure that he might oppose these tenents and doctrines of novelties which creep in upon us daily by succession And that