the same were particularly enacted by the Authority of Parliament And that the Lord Major Aldermen and Commons in Common-Councell may adde to or repeale the said Ordinances from time to time as they shall see cause That such other Propositions as shall be made for the City for their farther safety welfare and Government and shall be approved of by both Houses of Parliament may be granted and confirmed by Act of Parliament Vpon consideration of which Propositions His Majesty sent the Duke of Richmond and the Earle of Southampton with this Message of the 13th of December HIs Majesty hath seriously considered your Propositions II. and findes it very difficult in respect they import so great an alteration in Government both in Church and State to returne a particular and positive answer before a full debâ—te wherein thosâ— Propositions and all the necessary Explanations and reasons for assenting dissenting or qualifying and all inconveniences and mischiefes which may ensue and cannot otherwise be so well foreseen may be discussed and weighed His Majesty therefore proposeth and desireth as the best expedient for Peace That you will appoynt such number of Persons as you shall think fit to Treat with the like number of Persons to be appoynted by His Majesty upon the said Propositions and such other things as shall be proposed by His Majesty for the preservation and defence of the Protestâ—nt Religion with due regard to the ease of tender Consciences as His Majesty hath often offered The Rights of the Crowne The Liberty and Property of the Subject and the Priviledges of Parliament And upon the whole matter to conclude a happy and blessed Peace Vnto which Message this Answer of the 27th of December was returned to His Majesty May it please your Most Excellent Majesty WEE Your Majesties humble and Loyall Subjects of both Kingdomes have considered of Your Maiesties Message III. of the 13. of December 1644. sent by the Duke of Richmond and the Earle of Southampton directed to the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and to the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland now at London And doe in all humblenesse returne this Answer That we doe consent there be a Treaty for a safe and well grounded Peace But find that it will require some time to resolve concerning the Instructions and manner of that Treaty And therefore that Your Majesty might not be held in suspence touching our readinesse to make use of any opportunity for attayning such a blessed and happy Peace in all Your Majesties Dominions We would not stay Your Majesties Messengers till we did resolve upon all thâ—se particulars which we will take into our serious consideration and present our humble desires to Your Majesty with all convenient speed Westminster the 20 â—h of Decemb. 1644. Gray of Wark Speaker of the House of Peeres pro tempore Signed in the name and by warrand of the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland LOWDON William Lenthall Speaker of the Commons House Assembled in Parliament And afterwards upon the 18th of January following Sir Peter Killigrew brought this farther Answer to His Majesty May it please Your Most Excellent Majesty WEE Your Majesties humble and Loyall Subjects the IV. Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland do make our further answer to Your Majesties Message of the 13th of December last 1644. Concerning a Treaty for Peace as followeth We do consent that there be a Treaty for a safe and well grounded Peace between your Majesty and your humble and Loyall Subjects assembled in the Parliaments of both Kingdomes And for the present have appoynted Algernon Earle of Northumberland Philip Earle of Pembrook Mountgomery William Earle of Salisbury Bâ—sill Earle of Denbigh Thomas Lord Viscount Wenman Denzill Hollis William Pierrepoint Sir Henry Vane Junior Oliver St Iohn Bulstrode Whitlock Iohn Crew Edmund Prideaux for the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster And Iohn Earle of Lowdon Lord Chancellor of Scotland Archibald Marquisse of Argyle Iohn Lord Maitland Iohn Lord Balmerino Sir Archibald Iohnston Sir Charles Erskin George Dundas Sir Iohn Smith M r Hugh Kennedy and M r Robert Barclay for the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland together with Master Alexander Henderson upon the Propositions concerning Religion who or any Ten of them there being alwayes some of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes are appointed and authorized to meet at Vâ—bridge on what day Your Majesty shall be pleased to set downe before the last day of this present Ianuary with such Persons as Your Majesty shall appoint under Your Signe Manuall for that purpose And the number of the persons to Treat not to exceed seventeen on either part unlesse the persons named for the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland now not here or any of them shall come and then Your Maiesty may have the like number if you please There to Treat upon the Matters conteined in the Propositions we lately sent unto Your Majesty according to such Instructions as shall be given unto them And the Propositions for Religion the Militia and for Ireland to be first Treated on and agreed and the time for the Treaty upon the said Propositions for Religion the Militia and for Ireland not to exceed Twenty dayes and for the things mentioned in Your Message to be propounded by Your Maiesty when the Persons sent by Your Maiesty shall communicate the same to the Committees appointed by us as aforesaid We have directed them to send the same to us That they may receive our Instructions what to doe therein And to the end that the Persons that are to be sent from Your Majesty and from us with their retinue not exceeding the number of one Hundred and Eight on either part may repaire to Vxbridge stay there and returne at their pleasure without interruption That mutuall safe Conducts be granted to the said Persons according to the severall Lists of their Names Signed by Order of the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England as Westminster Signed in the name and by warrant of the Commissioners of the Kingdome of Scotland LOWDON Gray of Wark Speaker of the House of Peeres pro tempore William Lenthall Speaker of the Commons House in the Parliament of England Whereunto His Majesty returned an Answer inclosed in a Letter from Prince Rupert to the Earle of Essex dated the 21 of January which Letter and Answer were as followeth The Letter My Lord I Am commanded by His Majesty to returne this His answer V. Together with this inclosed in a Letter from Prince Rupert to the Earle of Essex His Majestie sent a safe Conduct for their Commissioners and their retinue to the Message lately sent Him from the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland by Sir Peter Killigrew I
have likewise sent your Lordship His Majesties safe Conduct for the persons desired and also a List of the names of those His Majesty hath appoynted to Treat for whom together with their Retinue His Majesty hath desired a safe Conduct The Answer inclosed HIs Majesty having received a Message by Sir Peter Killigrew from the Lords and Commons assembled in the VI. Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners oâ— the Parliament of Scotland concerning a Treaty returns this answer That His Majesty doth very willingly consent that there be a Treaty upon the Matters contained in the Propositions lately sent unto him in such manner as is proposed and at the place appoynted in the said Message and to that purpose His Majesty will send the Duke of Richmond the Marquesse of Hertford the Earle of Southampton the Earle of Kingston the Earle of Chichester the Lord Capell the Lord Seymour the Lord Hatton the Lord Culpeper Secretary Nicholas M. Chancellour of the Exchequer the L. Cheife Baron Lane Sr Orlando Bridgman S â— Thomas Gardiner M. John Ashburnham M. Ieffery Palmer together with Dr Steward Clerk of His Majesties Closet upon the Propositions concerning Religion to meet with the persons mentioned in the said Message at Vxbridge on wednesday night the 29th of this instant Ianuary the Treaty to begin the next day Which persons or any ten of them shall be sufficiently authorised by His Majestie to Treat and conclude on His Majesties part And to the end that the persons aforesaid and their Retinue may repaire to Vxbridge stay there and returne at their pleasure without interruption or goe or send during their abode there to His Majestie as often as occasion shall require His Majesties desires that a safe Conduct may accordingly be sent for the said persons and their Retinue according to a List of their names herewith sent And then also inclosed in a Letter from Prince Rupert to the Earle of Essex His Majestie sent Propositions to be Treated upon on His Maiesties part which Letter and Propositions follow My Lord I am commanded by His Majestie to send these enclosed Propositions VII Prince Ruperts Letter to your Lordship to be presented to the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland to the end that there may be as little losse of time as is possible but that the same may be treated on assoone as may be thought convenient after the entry upon the Treaty His MAjESTIES Propositions to the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland for a safe and well grounded Peace 1. THat His Majesties owne Revenue Magazines VIII His Majesties Propositions Townes Forts and Ships which have been taken or kept from Him by force be forthwith restored unto Him 2. That whatsoever hath been done or published contrary to the knowne Lawes of the Land or derogatory to His Majesties Legall and knowne Power and Rights be renounced and recalled That no seed may remaine for the like to spring out of for the future 3. That whatsoever illegall Power hath been claimed or exercised by or over His Subjects as imprisoning or putting to death their Persons without Law stopping their Habeas Corpusses and imposing upon their Estates without Act of Parliament c. either by both or either House or any Committee of both or either or by any persons appointed by any of them be disclaimed and all such persons so committed forthwith discharged 4. That as His Majesty hath alwayes professed His readinesse to that purpose so He will most cheerfully consent to any good Acts to be made for the suppression of Popery and for the firmer setling of the Protestant Religion established by Law As also that a good Bill may be framed for the better preserving of the Book of Common-Prayer from scorne and violence And that another Bill may be framed for the ease of tender Consciences in such particulars as shall be agreed upon For all which His Majesty conceives the best expedient to be that a Nationall Synod be legally called with all convenient speed 5. That all such persons as upon the Treaty shall be excepted and agreed upon on either side out of the Generall Pardon shall be tryed Per Pares according to the usuall course and knowne Law of the Land and that it be left to that either to acquit or condemne them 6. And to the intent this Treaty may not suffer interruption by any intervening Accidents That a Cessation of Armes and free Trade for all His Majesties Subjects may be agreed upon with all possible speed Given at the Court at Oxford the 21th day of Jan. 1644. The Earle of Essex upon receipt hereof returned to Prince Rupert together with a safe Conduct this Letter of the 25. of Ianuary Sir I Am commanded by both Houses of the Parliament of England and desired by the Commissioners of the Kingdome of IX Scotland to desire your Highnesse to let His Majesty know That they doe agree that their Committees doe begin the Treaty aâ— Vxbridge on Thursday the 30th of this January with the Persons appointed by His Majesty on the matters contained in the Propositions lately sent unto His Majesty in such manner as was proposed And their Committees shall have Instructions concerning the Propositions sent from His Majesty in your Highnesse Letter And you will herewith receive a safe Conduct from the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England for the Persons that are appointed by His Majesty to come to Vxbridge to Treat on the Propositions for a safe and well grounded Peace with their Retinue in a List hereunto annexed Sir I am Westminster 25th Jan. 1644. Your Highnesse humble Servant ESSEX Thursday the 30th of Ianuary all the Commissioners named by His Maiestie and Commissioners named by the two Houses of Parliament in England and the Estates of the Parliament in Scotland did meet at Vxbridge where their Commissions were mutually delivered in and read and are as followeth His MAjESTIES Commission CHARLES R. WHEREAS after severall Messages sent by us to the X. Lords and Commons of Parliament assembled at Westminster expressing Our desires of Peace certaine Propositions were sent from them and brought unto Vs at Oxford in November last by the Earle of Denbigh and others and upon Our Answers Messages and Propositions to them and their returns to Vs it is now agreed That there shall be a Treaty for a safe and well grounded Peace to begin at Vxbridge on Thursday the 30th of this instant Ianuary as by by the said Propositions Answers Messages and Returnes in writing may more fully appeare We do therefore hereby appoynt assigne and constitute James Duke of Richmond and Lenox William Marquisie of Hâ—rtford Thomas Earle of Southampton Henry Earle of Kingston Francis Earle of Chichester Francis Lord Seymour Arthur Lord Capell Christopher Lord Hatton John
Lord Culpeper Sir Edward Nicholas Knight one of Our principall Secretaries of State Sir Edward Hide Knight Chancellour and Vnder-Treasurer of Our Exchequor Sir Richard Lane chiefe Baron of Our said Exchequor Sir Thomas Gardiner Sir Orlando Bridgeman M Iohn Ashburnham and M. Ieffrey Palmer together with Doctor Richard Steward upon these Propositions concerning Religion to be Our Commissioners touching the premisses And do hereby give unto them and to any ten or more of them full power and authority to meet and on Our part to Treat with Algernoun Earle of Northumberland Philip Earle of Pembroke and Montgomery William Earle of Salisbury Basill Earle of Denbigh Thomas Lord Viscount Wenman Denzill Hollis William Pieirepoynt Esquires Sir Henry Vane the yonger Knight Oliver S. Iohn Bulstrode Whitlock Iohn Crew and Edmund Prideaux Esquires for the Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and Iohn Earle of Lowdon Lord Chancellour of Scotland Archibald Marquesse of Argile Iohn Lord Maytland Iohn Lord Balmerino Sir Archibald Iohnston Sir Charles Erskin George Dundaâ— Sir Iohn Smith M. Hugh Kennedy and M. Robert Barclay for the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland together with M. Alexander Henderson upon the Propositions concerning Religion or with any ten or more of them upon and touching the matters contained in the said Propositions Answers and Messages or any other according to the manner and agreement therein specified or otherwise as they or any ten or more of them shall think fit and to take all the premisses into their serious considerations and to compose conclude and end all differences arising thereupon or otherwise as they or any tenne or more of them in their wisdomes shall think fit And upon the whole matter to conclude a safe and well grounded Peace if they can And whatsoever they or any ten or more of them shall do in the premisses We doe by these presents ratifie and confirme the same Given at Our Court at Oxford the Eight and Twentieth day of Ianuary in the Twentieth yeare of Our Raigne 1644. Their Commission to the English Commissioners Die Martis 28. Ianuary 1644. BEE it Ordained by the Lords and Commons assembled in XI Parliament That Algernoun Earle of Northumberland Philip Earle of Pembroke and Montgomery William Earle of Salisbury Bazill Earle of Denbigh Thomas Lord Viscount Wenman Denzill Hollis William Pierrepont Sir Henry Vane Junior Oliver St. Iohn Bulstrode Whitlock Iohn Crew and Edmund Prideaux shall have power and authority and are hereby authorized to joyne with the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland together with Alexander Henderson upon the Propositions concerning Religion only To Treat with the Lord Duke of Richmond Marquisse of Hertford the Earle of Southampton the Earle of Kingston the Lord Dunsmore Lord Capell Lord Seymour Sir Christopher Hatton Sir Iohn Culpeper Sir Edward Nicholas Sir Edward Hide Sir Richard Lane Sir Orlando Bridgeman Sir Thomas Gardiner M. Iohn Ashbornham M. Ieffery Palmer or any tenne of them upon the Propositions formerly sent to His Maiesty for a safe and well grounded Peace from His Maiesties humble and Loyall Subiects assemblâ—d in the Parliaments of both Kingdomes together with Dr Steward upon the Propositions concerning Religion only and upon his Maiesties Propositions according to such Instructions as have been given to them or as they from time to time shall receive from both Houses of Parliament Iohn Browne Cler. Parliamentor Their Commission to the Scots Commissioners AT Edinburgh the saxteint day of Iulij The Èeir of God XII M. Vj c fourtye four Èeires The Estaistes of Parliament presentlie conveined be vertew of the last act of the last Tarliament haldin by His Majesty and thrie Estaites in Anno. 1641. Considdering that this Kingdome efter all uther meanes of supplicationnes Remonstrances and sending of Commissionaris to His Majesty have bein used without success Did enter into a solemne league Covenant with the Kingdom ParliameÌ„t of England for Reformationne defence of Religionne the honor happines of the King the peace safety of the thrie Kingdoms of Scotland England Ireland And ane Treattie aggried upon ane Armie and Forces raised and sent out of yis Kingdom for these endis Quhairupone the Conventionne of Estaistes of this Kingdome the nynt of Iannuary last being desirous to use all good and lawfull meanes that Treuth and Peace might be established in all His Majesties Dominions with such a blessed Pacificationne betwixt His Maiesty and His Subiectis as might serve most for His Maiesties trew honor and the safety and happines of His people Granted Commissione to Iohn Erle of Lowdounne heigh Chancellor of Scotland Iohne Lord Mai t and than and Èit in England Sir Archibald Iohnestounne of Wariestounne ane of the Lordis of Sessionne and Maister Robert Barclay now in England to repaire to England with power to thame or any twa of yame to endeavoure the effectuating of ye foirsaides endis conforme to the Commmissione and instructiones than giving to thame as the Commissione of the dait foirsaid proportis Lyke as the saides Iohne Lord of Maitland Sir Archibald Iohnestounne and Maister Robert Barclay have evir since attendit in England in the discharge of the foirsaid Commissione Qunhill lately that Sir Archibald Iohnestounne returned with some Propositiones prepaired by the Committie of both Kingdomes to be presented to the Estaites of Scotland and to both howss of the Parliament of England and by thame to be revised and considderit and than by mutuall advyse of both Kingdomes to be presented for ane safe and weill grounded peace Qwhilkies Propositiones ar revised and considderit and advysed be the Estaites of Parliament now conveined and their sense and resultis drawin up yrupone Whiche Commissione is to endure while the comming of the Commissionars underwrittin And heirewith also considderin That the endis for the whilk the samen was granted ar not Èit effectuate and that the Propositiones with ye Estaites thair resultis yrupone ar to be returned to ye Parliament of England Thairfore the Estaites of Parliament be thir presentis gives full powar and Commissione to the said Iohne Erle of Lowdonne Lord heigh Chancellor of yis Kingdome Archibald Marqueis of Argyle and Iohne Lord Balmerino for the Nobility Sr Archibald Iohnestounne of Wariestonne Sir Charles Erskyne of Cambuuskenneth and Maister George Dundas of Maner for the Barrones Sr Iohne Smyth of Grottâ—ll Proveist of Edenburgh Hew Kennedy Burges of Air and Master Robert Barclay for the Burrowes the thrie Estates of yis Kingdom and to Iohne Lord Maitland supernumerarie in this Commissione or to any thrie or mae of the haill number thair being ane of ilk Estate as Commissionaris from the Estaites of Parliament of this Kinkdome to repaire to the Kinkdome of England sick of them as ar not thair already and with powar to thame or any thrie or mae of the whole number thair being ane of ilk Estaite to endeavour the
Sir Orlando Bridgeman Sir Thomas Gardiner Mr Iohn Ashburnham and Mr Ieffery Palmer or any tenne of them upon the Propositions formerly sent to His Majesty for a safe and well grounded Peace from His Majesties humble and Loyall Subjects assembled in the Parliaments of both Kingdoms Together with Doctor Stuard upon the Propositions concerning Religion only And upon His Majesties Propositions according to such Instructions as have been given to them or as they from time to time shall receive from both Houses of Parliament Io. BROWNE Cler. Parliam The same last of Ianuary their Commissioners delivered to His Majesties Commissioners this paper Ianuary 31. HAving considered your Commission and Power from His Majesty given in last night by your Lordships we find that XVIII you are authorized to treat only upon certain Propositions sent to His Majesty from the Lords and Commons of Parliament assembled at Westminster and upon His Majesties Answers Messages and Propositions to them and their returnes to his Majesty Wherein we observe that the Propositions sent to His Maiesty from His Maiesties Loyall Subiects assembled in the Parliaments of both His Kingdoms are mentioned to be sent to His Maiestie from the Lords and Commons of Parliament assembled at Westminster and upon His Maiesties Answers Messages and Propositions to them and their Returnes to His Maiesty that a Treaty is to begin And wherein We also observe you have no Power thereby to Treat upon the Propositions sent to His Maiesty from His humble and Loyall Subiects Assembled in the Parliaments of both Kingdoms and the Answers Messages and Propositions sent from His Maiesty to the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland then at London and their returnes to His Maiestie We desire those defects may be cleared and speedily amended The King's Commissioners Answer 31. January WE conceive Our Power being to Treat upon the Propositions XIX brought by the Earle of Denbigh and others and those Propositions being sent from the Parliaments of both Kingdomes there need no mention of the Parliaments of both Kingdomes in that place but that Our power is ample to Treat with your Lordships upon the whole both by expresse words and by other generall words in the Commission which give power to Treat upon those Propositions or any other which generall words are not observed by your Lordships in your paper And Our power is to Treat with the Lords and others authorized for the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland by name yet since you insist upon it it shall be altered by Tuesday next And in the meane time if your Lordships please We desire * The Papers intended are the Propositions concerned Religion which were not then delivered the papers promised yesterday in the paper delivered by the Earle of Northumberland may be delivered unto Vs that there may be as little losse of time as may be Their Reply 31. Ian. IN answer to your Lordships Paper concerning your Power to XX. Treat we are content to proceed in the Treaty with your Lordships in expectation that the Defects mentioned by us in our Paper shall be supplyed by Tuesday next On Munday the third of February the Kings Commissioners did deliver their Commission renewed as followeth CHARLES R. WHereas certaine Propositions were sent unto us from XXI the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England at Westminster and from the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland which were brought unto Vs at Oxford in November last by the Earle of Denbigh and others and upon Our Answers c. as followeth verbatim in His Majesties former Commission Touching the manner of the Treaty The KING's Commissioners Paper 31. January WE desire to the end there may be a greater Freedom XXII in debate which We conceive will much conduce to the happy conclusion of this Treaty that nothing may be understood to be concluded on either side but what is delivered in Writing according as your Lordships have begun And we declare That what shall be delivered in writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty break off upon any other Proposition or part of any other Proposition Their Answer 31. Ianuary WEE shall deliver our Demands and Answers in Writing XXIII and desire your Lordships to doe the like The King's Commissioners Reply 1. Feb. WEE desire a full Answer of our Paper that nothing XXIV shall be taken as agreed upon but what is put in writing and your Concurrence in declaring that what shall be delivered in writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition shall not be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty breake off Their further Answer 1. February ACcording to our former Paper we shall deliver our demands XXV and answers in writing and we desire your Lordships to doe the like and nothing shall be taken as agreed upon but what is put in writing And we shall acquaint the Houses of Parliament that you have declared what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty break off 3. February IN answer to your Lordships Paper formerly delivered we doe XXVI declare that what shall be delivered in Writing upon any Proposition or upon any part of a Proposition is not to be binding or prejudiciall to either Party if the Treaty breake off upon any other Propositions or part of any Proposition Touching the Seditious Sermon The KING's Commissioners Paper 31. Ianuary WEE have certaine Information from divers Persons XXVII It was on Thursday being Market day and the first day of the Meeting present in Vxbridge Church yesterday that there was then a Sermon Preached by one Mr Love in which were many passages very Scandalous to His Majesties Person and derogatâ—ry to His Honour stirring up the people against this Treaty and incensing them against Vs telling them That we come with hearts full of Bloud and that there is as great distance between this Treaty and Peace as between Heaven and Hell or words to that effect with divers other Seditious passages both against His Majesty and this Treaty We know His Majesties hearty desire of a happy and well grounded Peace such as may be for Gods Honour and the good of all His Subjects as well as himselfe And we that are entrusted by His Commission come with cleare Intentions to serve Him in it according to our Consciences and the best of our Iudgements And this being Preached in your Quarters where we are now under safe Conduct We desire your Lordships to consider how much this may reflect upon our Safety how much it may prejudice and blast the blessed hopes of this Treaty and how just offence and distrust it may beget in His Majesty
Kingdome All which if your Lordships please shall be examined by you with the Originalls And we are therefore of opinion that our Answer formerly delivered is a good Answer to the point of Cessation in question And that it was not unfit for His Maiesty to agree to that Cessation nor destructive to the Protestant Religion nor for the advantage of the Popish Rebells but much for the advantage of the Protestant Subjects there who were in apparent hazard of destruction by Force and Famine occasioned by the want of Supplies which had been promised to them as we have formerly said And we shall give yout Lordships a further Answer to your other Propositions concerning Ireland when the time comes againe for that Debate Here ended the first three dayes of the Treaty concerning Ireland and the night before the return of the next three dayes their Commissioners delivered this Paper 17. February VVE conceived that the Arguments used by us that His CXLVII Maiesty neither had or hath power to make the Cessation with the Rebells of Ireland might have fully satisfied your Lordships and if any doubts yetremaine we are ready by Conference to cleare them Your Lordships may well call to minde the severall Clauses we insisted upon in the Statute and the Arguments we have given from the Common-Law and other proceedings in Parliament And we doe affirme that severall great Summes of Money were paid by particular Persons and by Corporations who according to the true intent of the Statute ought to have the benefit of the same according to divers other Acts of Parliament in pursuance thereof and upon failer of payment by any particular Persons the forfeiture was to accrew to the Common benefit of the rest not failing And we doe deny that the Argument of Interest was at all waved by us And we conceive those wants alleadged by your Lordships if any such were in iustifying the Cessation were supplied from time to time by the Houses of Parliament untill His Maiesties Forces were so Quartered in and about the common Roades to Ireland that Provisions going thither were intercepted and neither Money Clothes Victualls or other things could passe by Land with safety to be transported And when that both Houses of Parliament were desirous further to supply those Wants and for that purpose did tender a Bill to His Majesty It was refused And we still alleadge that we have no reason to be satisfied concerning the Cessation by any Arguments used by your Lordships or by any thing contained in the Extracts of the Letters and Papers delivered to us by your Lordships as from the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland and the Officers of the Army nor though desired by us have your Lordships afforded us Liberty to compare those Extracts with the Originalls whereby we might have the names of the Persons by whom they were written which we now againe desire We are therefore still clearly of Opinion as is expressed in our former Paper of the 10th of February concerning the Cessation and doe desire your Lordships full Answer to our Demands concerning Ireland The King's Commissioners Answer 18. February VVE did not conceive that your Lordships had beleeved CXLVIII that any Arguments used by you could satisfie us against His Majesties Power to make a Cessation with the Rebellâ— in Ireland which appeares to have been made by Him by the Advice of his Councell there and for the preservation of His Majesties Protestant Subjects of that Kingdome who in all probability would have perished by Famine and the Sword if that Cessation had not been made And we shall be very ready to receive farther Information from your Lordships by Conference or otherwise in that particular either concerning any Clauses in the Statute or Arguments at Common-Law or proceedings of Parliament your Lordships having never mentioned the one or made any Case upon the other upon which you intend to insist And for the severall great Summes of Money that were paid by particular Persons and Corporations upon that Statute mentioned by your Lordships we are sorry that we are compelled by your Lordships insisting thereon to informe your Lordships that His Majesty had cleare information that not only much of the money raised by the Act for the 400 thousand pound which was passed for the better suppressing that most wicked and execrable Rebellion in Ireland and for the payment of the debts of this Kingdom but also of the Mony raised by the Statute on which your Lordships insist for the speedy and effectuall reducing of the Rebels of Ireland c. and other moneys raised by Contribution and Loane for the reliefe of His Majesties distressed Subjects of that Kingdom were expended contrary to the intent of the Acts by which the same were levied and of the Persons who lent and contributed the same towards the maintenance of the Forces in this Kingdom under the Command of the Earle of Essex And that many Regiments of Horse and Foot leavied for the Warre of Ireland under the command of the Lord Wharton the Lord Kerry Sir Faithfull Fortescue and others were likewise imployed in that Army under the Earle of Essex at Edge-Hill and therefore His Majesty refused to consent to the Bill presented to His Majesty after this for the Levying more mony for Ireland justly fearing that the same might be used as the former had been And for the few cloathes for there were no Moneys intercepted by His Majesties Souldiers in His Maiesties Quarters which are said to be intended for Ireland the same were intercepted neere Coventrey and going thither after that City had refused to receive His Maiesty though at the Gates But His Maiesty never refused to give any safe Passe through His Quarters for any Goods or Provisions which were intended or prepared for Ireland neither was the same ever desired For the extracts and Copies of the Letters delivered by us to your Lordships from the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland and the Officers of the Army We have been and are willing that your Lordships should compare them with the Originalls But for your having the names of the Persons who writ the same since there can be no doubt of the truth of our Assertions we conceive it not reasonable to desire the same not knowing what inconvenience any of them since you seem not to like that advice might incurre if at any time they should be found within your Quarters And having now satisfied your Lordships in the Matter of the Cessation we shall gladly proceed in the Treaty with your Lordships upon any thing that may be apparently good for His Maiesties Protestant Subiects there and the resetling of that Kingdom in His Maiesties Obedience Their Reply 18. Feb. WE doe conceive that the Arguments used by us might CXLIX have fully satisfied your Lordships against His Majesties power to make a Cessation with the Rebells in Ireland having answered whatsoever your Lordships have hitherto alleadged to the contrary and
A FULL RELATION of the Passages concerning the Late TREATY FOR A PEACE BEGUN AT VXBRIDGE JANUARY 30. 1644. Printed by His MAjESTIES Command AT OXFORD By Leonard Lichfield Printer to the Vniversity 1645. A TABLE OR INDEX SHEWING breifly the Method and Order of this Narrative and directing to the places where each subjects Matter therein conteyned is to be found 1. ARE set down the Messages and Propositions sent by His Majestie and brought to Him which preceded the Treaty and were inducements to it beginning Page the first and ending page the 20. 2. The Passages in the beginning of the Treaty preparatory therevnto wherein 1. Of the severall Commissions and Passages therevpon beginning pag. 20. ending pag. 29. 2. The Papers Concerning the Manner and Order of the Treaty pag. 29. ending pag. 30. 3. The Papers concerning a Scandalous Sermon Preached at Vxbridge against the Treaty the first day of the Treaty and before it began pag. 30. ending pag 31 3. The Papers Concerning Religion during the whole Treaty Collected together pag. 32. ending pag. 50. 4. The Papers Concerning the Militia during the whole Treaty Collected together pag. 51. ending pag. 94. 5. The Papers Concerning Ireland during the whole Treaty Collected together pag. 93. ending pag 140 6. The Papers Concerning His Majesties Propositions and particularly for a Cessation of Armes and touching His Majesties returne to Westminster after disbanding of Armies and further time for continuing or renewing the Treaty are Collected together pag. 140. ending pag. 156. 7. And lastly an Appendix is added wherein are contayned such things as are mentioned in the Narrative or were delivered in writing during the Treaty and were not Printed before or being heretofore Printed are now out of Print or not easily to be had the particulars whereof are as followeth 1. His Majesties Message from Evesham of the 4th of July 1644. pag. 157. 2. His Majesties Message from Tavestock of the 8th of September 1644. pag. 159. 3. The Bill for abolishing of Episcopacy c. pag. 160. 4. The Articles of the late Treaty of the date at Edenburgh the 29th of Novemb. 1643. pag. 169 5. The Ordinance for calling the Assembly of Divines pag. 174. 6. The Votes and Orders delivered with it pag. 180. and 181. 7. The Articles of the 6th of August 1642. concerning Ireland pag. 182. 8. The Ordinances of the 9th of March and the 11th of April touching the Forces in Ireland pag. 188. 9. The Letters and advices from the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland pag. 189. 10. The Letters and advices from the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland pag. 189. Herevnto is added His Majesties answers to certain Papers delivered upon the close of the Treaty one concerning the Militia and two concerning Ireland beginning pag. 199. His MAjESTY having received an Account from His Commissioners of their proceedings in the late Treaty atVxbridge to the end that all His people may be fully satisfied of his earnest and constant endeavours to procure the publique Peace whereby to put an end to these present miseries hath commanded this full and plain Narrative of all the passages concerning that Treaty to be made and published AFter His Majesties Message from Evesham of See these Messages in the Appendix no. 1. 2. the 4th of Iuly last desiring and propounding a Treaty for Peace And His second Message from Tavestoke of the 8th of September last renewing that desire At length on the 23 day of November last past the Earle of Denbigh and others repaired to His Majesty at Oxford with Propositions in these words following WEE Your Majesties Loyall Subjects assembled in the I. Parliaments of both your Kingdoms from the sence of that duty we owe unto Your Majesty and of the deep sufferings and many miseries under which your People of all Your Kingdoms lye bleeding in this unnaturall Warre after long and serious consultation about the best wayes and means of their preservation and for setling Your Majesties Throne and Your Subjects in Peace and Security have with common consent Resolved upon these Propositions which we doe humbly tender unto Your Majesty The humble desires and Propositions for a safe and well grounded Peace agreed upon by the mutuall advice and consent of the Parliaments of both Kingdoms united by solemne League and Covenant to be presented to His Majesty 1. That by Act of Parliament in each Kingdom respectively all Oathes Declarations and Proclamations against both or either of the Houses of the Parliament of England and the late â—onvention of Estates in Scotland or Committees flowing from the Parliament or Convention in Scotland or their Ordinances and proceedings or against any for adhering unto them And all Indictments Outlaries and Attainders against any for the said Causes be declared Null suppressed and forbidden And that this be publiquely intimated in all Parish-Churches within His Majesties Dominions and all other places needfull 2. That His Majesty according to the laudable example of His Royall Father of happy memory may be pleased to sweare and signe the late solemne League and Covenant And that an Act of Parliament be passed in both Kingdoms respectively for enjoyning the taking thereof by all the Subjects of the three Kingdoms and the Ordinances concerning the manner of taking the same in both Kingdoms be confirmed by Acts of Parliaments respectively with such penalties as by mutuall advice of both Kingdoms shall be agreed upon 3. That the Bill be passed for the utter abolishing and taking away of all Arch-Bishops Bishops their Chancellours and Commissaries Deanes and Subdeanes Deanes and Chapters Archdeacons Canons and Prebendaries And all Chanters Chancellours Treasurers Subtreasurers Succentors Sacrists and all Vicars Chorall and Choristers old Vicars and new Vicars of any Cathedrell or Collegiat Church And all other their under officers out of the Church of England and Dominion of Wales and out of the Church of Ireland with such alterations concerning the Estates of Prelates as shall agree with the Articles of the late Treaty of the Date at Edenborough 29. of Novemb. 1643. And joynt Declaration of both Kingdomes 4. That the Ordinance concerning the calling and sitting of the Assembly of Divines be confirmed by Act of Parliament 5. That Reformation of Religion according to the Covenant be setled by Act of Parliament in such manner as both Houses shall agree upon after consultation had with the Assembly of Divines And for as much as both Kingdoms are mutually obliged by the same Covenant to endeavour the nearest Conjunction and uniformity in matters of Religion that such unity and uniformity in Religion according to the Covenant as after consultation had with the Divines of both Kingdomes now assembled shall be joyntly agreed upon by both Houses of the Parliament of England and by the Church and Kingdom of Scotland be confirmed by Acts of Parliament of both Kingdoms respectively 6 That for the more effectuall disabling Jesuits Priests Papists and Popish Recusants from disturbing the State and
effectuating of ye foirsaides endis the concluding of the Propositions with the Estaites th aire results thairupon And all suche uyr matteris conceruing the good of bothe Kingdomes as ar or all be from time to time committed unto thame be the Estaites of yis Kingdome or Committies thairof according to the instructiones givin or to be givin to the Commissionaris abovenameit or their quuorums And for this effect The Estaites Ordeanes Iohne Erle of Lowdonne Chancellor Iohne Lord Balmerino Sir Archibald Iohnstounne of Wariestounne Sir Charles Erskyne of Cambuskenneth and Hew Kennedy repaire with all dilligence to the Kingdome of England to the effect before rehearsit conforme to this Commissione and instructiones As also the Estaites Ordeanes ye saides ArchibaldMarqueis of Argyle M. George Dundas of Maner and Sir Iohne Smyth Proveist of Edenburgh to repaire to ye Kingdome of England with all sick conventencie as the occasione of ye businesse shall require or as they sall be commandit ather be the Committie from the Parliament heir they being in Scotland or be the Committie with the Army they being in England And Ordeanes thame to joyne with the remanent Commissionaris to the affect above mentionat conforme to the Commissionâ— and instructiones givin or to be givin to the Commissionais or thair quuorums thair anent be the Estaites of this Kingdome or Committies yrof And the Estaites of Parliament be thir presents haldis and sall halde firme and stable all and what summ evir thinges the Commissionaris abovenameit or any thrie or mae of thame sall doe conforme to this Commisionne and to the instructionnes given or to be given to thame Extractit furthe of the butkes of Parliament be me Sir Alexander Gibsone of Dunâ—ie Knyt Clerk of His Majesties Registers and Rollis under my signâ— and subscriptionne Mannuall Alexander Gibsonne Cler. Regist After the Commissions read their Commissioners delivered to His Majesties Commissioners this paper Ianuary the 30. WEE are directed by Our Instructions to Treat with XIII your Lordships upon the Propositions concerning Religion the Militia and Ireland three daies a peice alternis vicibus during the space of twenty dayes from the 30 of Ianuary beginning first with the Propositions of Religion and accordingly we shall deliver unto your Lordships a Paper to morrow morning upon those Propositions Accordingly the Treaty did proceed upon those subjectâ— three daies a piece Alternis vicibus beginning with that of Religion upon Friday the last of Ianuary and so continuing Saturday the first and Monday the third of February which was after resumed Tuesday the 11 Wednesday the 12 and Thursday the 13 of February and again the two last daies of the 20. And the like course was held touching the Militia and Ireland But because the passages concerning each subject severally will be more clearly understood being collected and disposed together under their severall heads therefore all those which concerne Religion the Militia and Ireland are put together And in like manner the passages preparatory to the Treaty concerning the Commissions the manner of the Treaty and a seditious Sermon made the first day appoynted for the Treaty And such as hapned in the Treaty touching His Majesties Propositions The demands of farther time to Treat and other emergent passages which have no Relation to those of Religion the Militia and Ireland are in like manner digested under their severall heads with their particular dates And first those which concerne the Commissions Friday the last of Ianuary His Majesties Commissioners delivered unto Their Commissioners this paper Vlt. Ianuary WEE having perused the power granted to your Lordships XIV in the Paper delivered by the Earle of Northumberland and finding the same to relate to instructions we desire to see those instructions that thereby we may know what power is granted to you and we ask this the rather because by All their Commissioners were not then come to Vxbridge the Powers we have seen we doe not find that your Lordships in the absence of any one of your number have power to Treat Their Answer 31. Ianuary BY Our Instructions we or any tenne of us whereof some of either XV. House of the Parliament of England and some of the Commissioners of the Kingdome of Scotland to be present have power to Treat with your Lordships Their farther Answer Vlt. Ianuary VVHereas your Lordships have expressed unto us a desire XVI of seeing our Instructions to know what Power is granted us and this the rather because you say you find not by what you have seen that in the absence of any one of our number we have power to Treat To this we returne in Answer that since the Paper already delivered in by us declaring that by our Instructions any tenne of us whereof some of either House of the Parliament of England and some of the Commissioners of the Kingdom of Scotland to be present had power to Treat with your Lordships hath not given you satisfaction in the particular of the Quorum We shall send unto the two Houses of Parliament to have the Quorum inserted in the Commission and doe expect the returne of it so amended within two or three daies when we shall present it unto your Lordships But as for your desire in generall to see our Instructions it is that for which we have no Warrant nor is it as we conceive at all necessary or proper for us so to doe for that the Propositions upon which we now Treat have been already presented from the Parliaments of both Kingdoms unto His Majesty and whatsoever is propounded by us in order unto them is sufficiently warranted by what both Parliaments have done in the passing and sending of those Propositions and by the Commissions authorising us to Treat upon them already shewn unto your Lordships so as there can be no need to shew any other power Accordingly on Saturday the first of February they did deliver their Commission for the English Commissioners renewed as followeth Die Sabbatis primo Febr. BE it Ordained by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament that Algernon Earle of Northumberland Philip XVII Earle of Pembrook and Montgomery William Earle of Salisbury Bazil Earle of Denbigh Thomas Lord Viscount Wenman Denzill Hollis William Pierrepont Sir Henry Vane junior Oliver St Iohn Bulstrode Whitlock Iohn Crew and Edmund Prideaux shall have power and authority and are hereby authorized to joyne with the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland together with Alexander Henderson upon the Propositions concerning Religion only or any tenne of them Whereof some of either House of the Parliament of England and some of the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland are to be present To treat with the Lord Duke of Richmond the Marquisse of Hertford the Earle of Southampton the Earle of Kingston the Lord Dunsmore Lord Capell Lord Seymour Sir Christopher Hatton Sir Iohn Culpeper Sir Edward Nicholas Sir Edward Hyde Sir Richard Lane
we as yet conceive concerning that matter there having hitherto been no debate touching the same or concerning the Common-Prayer Book now Established by Law and thereby intended to be abolished And therefore we did in that Paper and doe still desire to receive your Lordships * None were made objections against the Book of Common-Prayer and your reasons for introducing the Directory Neither can our Answer to the Propositions for Church-Government annexed to your first Paper be otherwise taken then as our desire to receive information how that Government should be constituted in particular and what Iurisdiction should be established by whom granted and upon whom it should depend which Quere's were not satisfied by any conference your Lordships as we conceive having declared your selves that the particular forme or modell of that Government mentioned in those Propositions onely in generall were not then particularly agreed on And we have since desired and expect to receive it and therefore your Lordships cannot conceive we have denyed that which we have not yet seen nor been informed of Their Answer to the Fourth 13. Febr. TO your Lordships Fourth Paper we Answer The Bill LXVI for suppressing of Innovations in Churches and Chappell 's in and about the Worship of God c. And for the better advancement of the Preaching of Gods holy Word in all parts of this Kingdom and against the enjoying of Pluralities of Benefices by Spirituall persons and Non-residencie were heretofore presented to His Majesty and remaine with him And we herewith deliver to your Lordships the Ordinance for the due observation of the Lords day and we insist on our former demands concerning them And when your Lordships have given us your full Answers to our desires already with you concerning Religion we then shall deliver unto your Lordships our demands concerning Papists the regulating the Vniversities the Education and Marriage of His Majesties Children in the true Protestant Religion contained in our Paper of the 11 of this instant Februarie The King's Commissioners Reply 13. Feb. VVE have not the Bills here which we desired of your LXVII Lordships in our fourth Paper to see and which you now say were heretofore presented to His Majestie But we shall take speedy care to have those Bills if they remaine with His Majestie and in the meane time desire your Lordships to give us Copies of them and we shall give your Lordships a speedy answer as we shall to the Ordinance for the due observarion of the Lords Day which we received from your Lordships this night and had never before seene and we shall be ready to receive your Lordships * None at all were delivered in demands concerning Papists the regulating the Vniversities the Education and Marriage of His Majesties Children and shall returne our answers accordingly This last Paper concluded the six dayes appointed for the Treaty upon Religion according to the Order prescribed for disposing the first 18. dayes of the 20 for the Treaty In the end of which 18. daies after some * See these Papers after no. 170. 192 193. papers mutually delivered concerning the manner bow the two last daies should be disposed this Subject of Religion with the two others were againe resumed and their Papers following were then delivered in concerning Religion Their Paper 21. Feb. VVHere as your Lordships in your * The Paper intended is the King's Commissioners Reply to their first Answer 13. Feb no. 61. last Paper of Feb. 13. LXVIII were pleased to say that as you conceived the continuall succession of Episcopacy from the Apostles times was consented to on all parts and that you cannot remember that the contrary thereof was so much as alleadged much lesse that the unlawfulnes thereof was proved the Question of the unlawfulnes thereof having never yet come into debate We desire your Lordships to remember that when a Divine in Commission with you undertook to prove the Ius Divinum of Episcopacy his Arguments were not only Answered by another Divine in Commission with us but that 4 or 5 severall Arguments were then brought by him out of the Scriptures to prove the unlawfulnes of it and afterwards in an extrajudiciall debate between severall Divines on both sides by consent of the Commissioners those Arguments were further made good by the Divines on our side and the pretended continuall succession of Episcopall Government from the Apostles times was as we conceive at the same time sufficiently disproved So that we cannot but wonder that your Lordships should forget that the unlawfulnes of it was debated And whereas in your Lordships * See the Paper 20. Feb. after No. 196. being delivered upon another occasion last Paper of Feb. 20. you were pleased to say that if it might be made appeare that the Government by Bishops is unlawfull or that the Government which we desire to introduce in the roome thereof is the only Government that is agreeable to the word of God your Lordships would immediately give us full satisfaction in our Proposition We desire your Lordships to remember besides what hath bin proved in debate concerning the unlawfulnes of Episcopall Government and not withstanding the generall experience that the government by Arch-Bishops Bishops c. hath bin a hinderance to Reformation and growth of Religion prejudiciall to the Civill State the manifest evidence of the thing it self that so much of the Government desired by us as hath bin presented to your Lordships is agreeable to the word of God how we have severall times offered our selves to give your Lordships satisfaction by Conference if any objections remained with your Lordships to the contrary which we are still ready to do and desire your Lordships full Answer to that and the rest of our Propositions concerning Religion The King's Commissioners Answer 21. Feb. WE did conceive that the continuall Succession of Episcopacy LXIX from the Apostles times had bin so clearly manifested to your Lordships by our Conference on the 12. of this instant that your Lordships had bin fully satisfied therein the which since you are not we would gladly be informed when and where any Nationall Church since the Apostles times was without that Government and since your Lordships are of opinion that the unlawfulnes of Episcopacy was made good by those Arguments which were given by the Divines on your part which in truth we did not understand to be made to that purpose when they were first urged and being now againe remembred in our Iudgments do not in any degree prove the same we being very ready to consent to the abolishing thereof if the same can be proved and your Lordships assuming that you have proved it and so that you can again prove it we desire your Lordships by Conference or in writing to satisfie us in that point which we hope being in your power as you say to doe and being a sure way to put an end to this debate by our yeelding
that whole Kingdom consented to such a Cessation we desire to be informed by your Lordships how that Cessation can be declared voyd without a breach of Faith and honour in His Majestie and we are ready by conference particularly to inform your Lordships of the motives which induced His Majestie to consent to that Cessation Their Answer 10. Feb. VVE conceive that His Maiestie had not power to make the CXLIII Cessation in Ireland nor had any iust grounds to doe the same and therefore we insist as in our former paper That an Act of Parliament be passed to make voy'd the Cessation of Ireland and conceive that His Maiestie is bound in honour and iustice to consent unto the same and we are ready to conferre with your Lordships as is desired and to receive your Lordships full answer to this the other particulars expressed in our paper concerning Ireland After long debates in conference which spent the greatest part of the day touching the motives of that Cessation and the King's power to make it His Majesties Commissioners delivered in this paper 10. Febr. WE have received no satisfaction or information in your CXLIV Lordships debate to alter our opinionâ— of His Majesties power to make the Cessation in Ireland and having carefully produced and considered the Statute alleadged by your Lordships we cannot find any particular clause in that Statute neither have your Lordships mentioned any though often desired by us so to do whereby His Majesties power to make a Cessation there is taken away and therefore we are still of opinion that His Majesty had full power to make and consent to that Cessation and we conceive that we have given your Lordships an account of very just grounds to induce His Majestie to do the same it appearing to His Maiestie by the Letters and advice from the Lords Iustices and Councell of that Kingdom and of the Officers of His Maiesties Army there which we have read to your Lordships and of which Letters and advices we now give * Copies of the Letters and advices were accordingly delivered Copies to your Lordships that His Maiesties good Protestant Subiects of that Kingdom were in imminent danger to be Over-runne by the Rebels and His Army to be disbanded for want of necessary supplies and that there was no such probable way for their preservation as by making a Cessation neither have your Lordships given us any satisfying reasons against the making the said Cessation or made it appeare to us that that Kingdom could have bin preserved without a Cessation and therefore we cannot apprehend how His Maiesty can with Iustice and honour declare the same to be voyd We shall be ready against the next time assigned for the Treaty touching Ireland to give your Lordships a further answer to your Propositions concerning that Argument the Treaty concerning Ireland of the 6th of August 1642. and the Ordinance of the 11th of April 1644. which we did never see till your Lordships delivered us Copies of them making so great an alteration in the Government there that we cannot be prepared for the present to make a full answer to those Propositions Their Answer 10. Feb. IT is very contrary to our expectation to find your Lordships unsatisfied CXLV after those Arguments and Reasons alleadged by us that His Maiestie had not power to make the Cessation with the Rebels in Ireland and that upon the perusall of the Statute it appeares not to you that His Maiestie had no power to make that Cessation it is strange to us your Lordships should forget all the other Arguments used by us from the Common-Law from other proceedings in Parliament and circumstances as this case stands on which we still insist and do affirme that His Maiestie had no power to make or consent to that Cessation we do not see any iust grounds in the Copies of the Letters given us by your Lordships for His Maiesties assenting to the Cessation nor do we know by whom those Letters were written we are therefore still clearely of Opinion notwithstanding all your Lordships have alleadged that it was unfit for His Maiestie to agree unto that Cessation being destructive to His good Subiects and to the Protestant Religion there and only for the advantage of the Popish Rebels to the high dishonour of God the Disservice of His Maiestie and evident preiudice of His three Kingdoms We therefore again desire your Lordships full answer to what we have delivered to you concerning Ireland The King's Commissioners Paper 10. February WE have given your Lordships our reasons why we are CXLVI not satisfied with your Arguments that His Majesty had not power to make the Cessation and as upon the perusall of the Statute we can find no ground for that Opinion so your Lordships in your whole debate have not insisted or mentioned one Clause in that Statute though often desired which makes See the lâ—te Statute concerning the Adventurers for Irâ—sh Lands it good neither have your Lordships given us any Argument from the Common-Law other then by telling us That it is against the Common-Law because the private Interest of the Subscribers for Money was concerned in it to which we give this Answer That their Interest was Conditionall upon payment of their Moneys for the maintenance of the Warre which was not performed And that if they had paid their Moneys yet this Cessation was rather for the advance of that Interest there being as it appeares by the * See the Letters and advices in the Appendix no. 9. Papers no other visible meanes of preservation of the Army in Ireland and that the Statute which gave that private Interest doth not take away the Kings Power of making a Cessation and we conceive that Argument of Interest was waved But it your Lordships shall insist upon it we againe desire as we did formerly That a Case may be made of it and that the debate may be againe resumed Neither doe we know that any Argument was used by your Lordships from the proceedings in Parliament And if you shall give any we shall be ready to Answer it And we conceive that the advice given to His Majesty from the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland and the Testimony of the Officers of the Army expressing the miserable condition of that Kingdome and inability to beare the Warre should appeare to your Lordships to be just grounds for His Majesties assenting to the Cessation One of the Letters delivered by us to your Lordships bearing date the fourth of April 1643. was sent by the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland to Mr Secretary Nicholas in which was inclosed their Letter to the Speaker of the House of Commons of which your Lordships have likewise an Extract and a Remonstrance of the Officers of the Army to the Lords Iustices and Councell there and the other Letter of the fifth of May 1643. to His Majesty was from the Lords Iustices and Councell of that
Offered if any other doubts yet remaine by conference to cleare them which still we are ready to doe And we have heard nothing just or reasonable for that Cessation It will be made evident that the necessities which by your Lordships were made excuses for the Cessation were created on purpose to colour the same and we are compelled by your Lordships paper to let you know that the Committees of Parliament sent into Ireland to endeavour to supply their necessities were discountenanced by the principall instruments for that Cessation and when they had taken up 2000l upon their personall security for the Army there they were presently after commanded from the Councell by a Letter brought thither from His Majesty by the Lord Ormonds Secretary And when the Officers of the Army were contented to subscribe for Land in satisfaction of their Arreares it was declared from His Majesty that He disapproved of such subscriptions whereby that course was diverted And we doe affirme that what ever summes of money raised for Ireland were made use of by both Houses of Parliament were fully satisfied with advantage and as we are informed before the Bill mentioned in our former paper was refused by His Majesty And for the Regiments of Horse and Foot mentioned by your Lordships to be raised for Ireland and imployed otherwise by the Houses of Parliament It is true that Forces were so designed and when the Money Armes and other Provisions were all ready and nothing wanting but a Commission from His Majesty for the Lord Wharton who was to Command them the same could not be obtained which was the cause those Forces did not goe thither and when twelve Shipps and six Pinnaces were prepared with 1000 or more land Forces for the service of Ireland and nothing desired but a Commission from His Majesty the Shipps lying ready and staying for the same were three weeks together at 300l a day charge yet the same was denyed though often desired And where your Lordships seem to imply that the provisions seized by His Maiesties Forces were going for Coventrey it was made known to His Maiesty that the same were for Ireland And your Lordships must needs conceive that the papers you delivered to us being but Extracts and for that you deny us so to compare them with the Originalls as to have the names of the Persons by whom they were Written it is altogether unreasonable for us to give any credit to them it being manifest by this and our former papers and debates that the Cessation with the Rebels in Ireland is both unjust and unlawfull We therefore insist on our demands concerning Ireland as apparently good for His Maiesties Subjects there and for reducing that Kingdom to His Maiesties Obedience Before His Maiesties Commissioners gave answer to this last paper they being also to answer the rest of the demands concerning Ireland for their necessary information touching some doubts that did arise upon those demands and the Articles of the Treaty of the 6th of August concerning Ireland and Ordinances delivered with them the Kings Commissioners gave in these severall papers The King's Commissioners first Paper 19. February IN the eight Article of the Treaty for the comming of the CL. Scots Army into England dated 29. Nov. 1643. at Edenbourgh delivered to us by your Lordships among the papers for Ireland and desired by the 12th Proposition to be confirmed by Act of Parliament It is agreed that no Cessation nor any Pacification or agreement for Peace whatsoever shall be made by either Kingdome without the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes or the Committees in that behalfe appoynted who are to have full power for the same in case the Houses of the Parliament of England or the Parliament or Convention of Estates of Scotland shall not sit We desire to know whether that Article extend to any Cessation Pacification or Agreement in Ireland The Answer 19. Febr. WE did in answer to your Lordships Paper of the first of CLI February upon the Propositions concerning Religion deliver the Treaty of the 29th of November 1643. mentioned by your Lordships and not among the Papers for Ireland to which it hath no relation The King's Commissioners Reply 20. February YOur Lordships did deliver the Treaty of the 29th of November CLII. 1642. to us with the Papers concerning Ireland and on the 7th day of this instant February and not upon the first of February upon the Propositions concerning Religion Their Answer 20. Feb. WHen your Lordships peruse your Papers you will rest CLIII satisfied with our Answer of the 19th of this instant to your first Paper that day given to us for it will appeare by your Lordships 3d Paper of the first of February and our Paper given to your Lordships in answer of it that the Treaty of the date at Edenbourgh 29 Novemb. 1643. Was delivered to your Lordships on the first of February upon the Proposition of Religion and not upon the 3d of February with the Papers concerning Ireland The Article of the Treaty of the 29. of November 1643. which occasioned these Papers being by their Papers thus acknowledged not to concerne Ireland and so not pertinent to that subject the Kings Commissioners insisted no farther The King's Commissioners second Paper 19. February BY the 13th Proposition it is demanded that an Act be CLIV. passed to settle the prosecution of the Warre of Ireland in both Houses of Parliament of England to be managed by the joynt advices of both Kingdoms We desire to know Whether if the two Kingdoms shall not agree in their advice touching that Warre each have a Negative voyce or whether the Scots Commander in chiefe of the Forces in Ireland may manage that Warre in such case according to his own discretion Their Answer 19. Febr. IN answer to your Lordships second paper the prosecution of CLV the Warre of Ireland is to be setled in the two Houses of the Parliament of England but is to be managed by a joynt Committee of both Kingdoms wherein the Committee of each Kingdom hath a Negative voyce but in case of disagreement the Houses of Parliament of England may prosecute the Warre as they shall think fit observing the Treaty of the sixth of August 1642. between the two Houses and the Estates of the Parliament of Scotland and the Ordinance of the 11th of April 1644. delivered to your Lordships formerly The King's Commissioners third paper 19. February BY the 20th Proposition in the Intervals of Parliament the CLVI Commissioners for the Militia have power to nominate the Lord Deputy of Ireland and other Officers aâ—d Judges there We desire to know whether that power be limited to the Commissioners of both Kingdoms or only to the Commissioners for England and whether in such cases the Commissioners in Scotland shall vote as single persons Their Answer 19. Feb. THe power of the Commissioners in the Intervals of Parliament CLVII to nominate the Lord Deputy
of Ireland and other officers and Iudges there mentioned in the 20th Proposition being no matters of joynt concernments is to be limited to the Commissioners for the Parliament of England wherein the Commissioners of Scotland are to Vote as single persons The King's Commissioners fourth Paper 19. February THe Articles of the Treaty of the sixth of August giving CLVIII power to the Lievtenant of Ireland when the Scottish Army shall be joyned with His Army to give Instructions to the Scottish commander in chiefe and the Orders of the two Houses of the 9th of March 1644. and the 11th of Aprill See all these in the Appendix 1644. appoynting the Generall of the Scottish Forces in Ireland to command in chiefe over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots and both being desired to be enacted We desire to know whether the Lievtenant of Ireland shall command the Scots Forces or whether the Scottish Generall shall command all Forces both Brittish and Scots Their Answer 19. Feb. IN Answer to your Lordships 4th Paper we say that the Ordinances CLIX. of the 9th of March and 11th of Aprill 1644. were made when there was no Lievtenant of Ireland and when a Lievtenant shall be made with the approbation of both Houses according to our former Demands in the â—7th and 20th Propositions it will be a fitting time to give further Answer to your Lordships The King's Commissioners Reply 20. Feb. VVE desire a full answer from your Lordships to our CLX fourth paper delivered to your Lordships yesterday concerning the Power of the Lord Lievtenant of Ireland and the Generall of Scots Forces your Lordship having proposed to us that the Articles of the Treaty and the Ordinance of the 11. of April be enacted by His Maiestie by one of which the Generall of the Scotch Forces is to receive instructions for the manageing the War there from the Lievtenant of Ireland and by the other which is the later the Generall of the Scots Forces is to command in cheif both the Brittish and Scots Forces by which it seemes the Lievtenant of that Kingdom is to have no power in the prosecution of that War Their Answer 20. Feb. WE do insist upon our former papers that the prosecution of CLXI the War in Ireland is to be setled in both Houses of Parliament and is to be managed by the ioynt advice of both Kingdoms as in those Papers is set down and when a Lievtenant of Ireland shall be appointed as is expressed in the Propositions and it shall be necessary for the good of the service that he and the Commander in chief of the Scottish Army ioyn The Commander of the Scottish Army shall receive Instructions from the Lord Lievtenant or Deputy or other who shall have the cheif Government of that Kingdom for the time according to the Orders which shall be given by the Commissioners of both Kingdoms The King's Commissioners fifth Paper 19. February THe last part of the 17th Proposition gives power to the CLXII Commissioners for the Militia of both Kingdoms as a ioynt Committee to order the War of Ireland according to the Ordinance of the 11th April and to order the Militia and conserve the Peace of the Kingdom of Ireland and by that of the 11th of April the Earle of Leven being appointed Commander in cheif over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots We desire to know whether he shall be subordinate to those Commissioners for the Militia and be obliged to observe such orders as he shall receive from them Their Answer 19. Feb. THe Commissioners of the Militia desired by the 17th Proposition CLXIII are to order the War of Ireland according to the Ordinance of the 11th of April and the Earle of Leven being by that Ordinance Commander in cheif of the Forces there is obliged to observe such Orders as he shall receive from those Commissioners Their Commissioners likewise the same 19 of Feb. delivered in some Papers of Demands on their part Their Answer 19. Feb. WE desire that no Cessation of Armes or Peace in Ireland CLXIV may be Treated upon or concluded without consent of both Houses of Parliament of England Another 19. Feb. WE desire to know whether any Peace or Cessation of Armes CLXV in Ireland be consented unto by His Majestie and for what time and whether any Commission be now on foote or other authority given by His Majestie for that purpose The King's Commissioners Answer to both 20. February CLXVI TO your Lordships * Which were the two next precedent Papers sixt and seventh Papers delivered to us yesterday concerning any Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland your Lordships well know that long after the Warre begun in this Kingdom and the want of a supply from hence that a Cessation hath bin made with His Majesties consent and we conceive that the same expires in March next and we are confident there is no Peace made there But for the making a Peace or a farther Cessation we can give no farther answer till we may know whether there may be a blessed Peace made in England since if the miserable Civill Warrs shall continue in thâ— Kingdom we cannot conceive it possible for His Majestie by Force to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland or to preserve His Protestant Subjects there without a Peace or Cessation Their Reply 20. Febr. WE conceive your Lordships have given no answer to us whether CLXVII any Commission be now on foot or other authority given by His Majestie for any Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland other then that which determines in March next nor to our desire that no Cessation of Armes or Peace in Ireland may be Treated upon or concluded without consent of both Houses of the Parliament of England nor do we understand why your Lordships should delay your answer herein till the Peace in England be concluded since it hath bin so clearly manifested to your Lordships by the true meaning of the Act passed by His Majestie this Parliament that His Majestie can make no Peace nor Cessation without the consent of the two Houses and that your Lordships satisfactory answer to this and our other demands concerning Ireland will much conduce to the setling the Peace of this Kingdom we therefore again desire your Lordships full and clear answer to the particulars expressed in our sixt and seventh papers yesterday delivered to your Lordships The King's Commissioners Answer 20. Febr. WE do not hold our selves any wayes obliged to answer CLXVIII your Lordships demand whether any Commission be on foot or other authority from His Majesty for a Peace or Cessation of Armes in Ireland that question not arising upon any Propositions on His Majesties part yet for your Lordships satisfaction we do again assure you we do not know there is any Peace or Cessation made there other then that which determines in March next But what Commission the Marquesse of Ormond as
Lievtenant of Ireland or Gâ—nerall of the Forces there hath to that purpose we do not know and therefore cannot inform your Lordships And as to the other particulars in that paper we do * The two Papers following no. 171 172. were delivered in before this Paper and the reference is to them and others formerly delivered on that subject refer our selves to the answers formerly given in to your Lordships demands touching that subject with this that we do conceive it to be most clear that His Majesty is in no wise restrained by expresse words or by the meaning of any Act made this Parliament from making a Peace or a Cessation in Ireland without the consent of the two Houses Their Paper 19. Feb. THere being but 3 dayes left to Treat upon the Propositions CLXIX for Religion the Militia and for Ireland and for that your Lordships have given no satisfactory answers to our dâ—mands concerning them we therefore now desire to confer with your Lordships how to dispose of the 3 dayes yet remaining that we may receive your Lordships full and clear answers thereunto The King's Commissioners Answer 19. February WE see no cause why your Lordships should think our CLXX Answers upon the Propositions for Religion and the Militia were not satisfactory And for that of Ireland we have received many Papers from your Lordships concerning that businesse besides the Propositions themselves to all which we doubt not to give a full and cleare Answer to your Lordships to morrow being the time assigned and the last day of the Treaty upon that subject * See the Paper 20. Feb. no. 192. touching His Majesties returne to Westminster After we shall be ready to conferre with your Lordships of disposing the remainder of the time Accordingly after the before mentioned Demands and Answer thereunto of the 19th of February the King's Commissioners in Answer to theirs of the 18th of February No. 149. delivered in this Paper 20. February VVE have already told your Lordships how farre we CLXXI. are from being satisfied by what you have alleadged against His Majesties Power to make a Cessation with the Rebells in Ireland neither have your Lordships in any degree answered the important reasons which induced His Majesty so to doe it being very evident that by the Cessation there His Majesties Protestant Subjects have been preserved and subsisted which without it they could not have done the two Houses forbearing to send any reliefe or supply to them and His Majesty not being able And we desire your Lordships to consider how impossible it was whilest the Warre continued in England with such fiercenesse and animosity by Armes to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland to His Majesties Obedience and therefore His Majesty had great reason to preserve that by a Cessation which He could not reduce by a Warre And we are most confident that the necessities which are not offered as excuses for but were the reall grounds of the Cessation were very visible to all those in that Kingdome whose advices His Maiesty ought in reason to follow and whose interests were most concerned and would not have given such advice if any â—ther way could have been found out to preserve them And we have been credibâ—y iâ—formed that the Committee sent into Ireland which His Maiesty never understood to be sent thither to supply the necessities but to observe the Actions of His Maiesties Ministers there having in their â—ourney thither signed Warrants in their owne names to apprehend the Persons of Pecres of this Realme and Persons of His Maiesties Privy Councell were never discountenanced there for His Maiesties directions that Persons who were not of His Privy Councell there should not be present at those Councells cannot be interpreted a discountenance to them in any thing they ought to doe And we are most assured that His Maiesty sent no Message or Letter to divert the course of the Officers Subscribing for Land in satisfaction of their Arreares but the Souldiers were meerly discouraged from the same by discerning that for want of Supplies they should not be able to goe on with that Warre And we doe assure your Lordships that His Majesty doth not beleeve that the Summes of Money raised for Ireland which your Lordships doe admit to have been made use of by both Houses of Parliament otherwise then was appointed are yet satisfied in any proportion the greatest part of the Money raised upon the Bill for 400000l and of the Moneys raised upon the charitable Collections as well as the Adventurers Moneys being imployed upon the Warre here And if the same were since satisfied it doth no wayes excuse the diverting of them when in the meane time that Kingdome suffered by that divertion And that the feare that other moneys so raised might likewise be misimployed was a great reason amoâ—gst others that made His Majesty not consent to that Bill mentioned by your Lordships And for the Regiments of Horse and Foot which your Lordships in your Paper of the 18th of this month say were designed for Ireland though they were imployed otherwise because a Commission could not be obtained for the Lord Wharton who was to Command those Forces It is well knowne that those Forces were raised before His Majesties Commission was so much as desired and then the Commission that was desired should have been independent upon His Majesties Lievrenant of that Kingdome and therefore His Maiesty had great reason not to consent to such a Commission and so the damages of keeping those six Pinnaces and the 1000 Land Forces if any such were proceeded not from any default of His Majesty And for the Provisions seized by His Maiesties Forces it is notorious that they were seized in the way to and neare Coventrey and that it was not made knowne to His Majesty that the same were for Ireland till after the seizure thereof when it was impossible to recover the same from the Souldiers who had taken them Whereas if a safe Conduct had been desired by His Majesty as it ought to have been the same being to passe through his Quarters there would have been no Violence or Interruption offered For the giving the Names of the Persons who subscribed the Letters delivered to your Lordships the Originalls of which have been shewed to you by us We have given your Lordships a full and reasonable Answer and if your Lordships will assure us that the giving their names to you shall be no prejudice to the Persons who did subscribe if at any time any of them shall be found within your Quarters we will forthwith deliver their names to you otherwise we conceive your Lordships cannot but give credit to that We have said and shewed to you all which we hope hath clearly satisfied your Lordships that the Cessation with the Rebels was neither unjust or unlawfull and that you will proceed to satisfie us by what meanes the Warre may be managed in Ireland with probable hope of the
Cessation we have already given your Lordships We hope cleare information For the persons whose advice His Maiestie followed therein your Lordships have not thought fit to make them knowne unto us and we cannot conceive their interest in that Kingdom to be of such consideration as is by your Lordships supposed But we know very well that many persons of all sorts have forsaken that Kingdome rather then they would submit unto this Cessation and great numbers of considerable persons and other Protestants yet remaining there have opposed and still do oppose that Cessation as the visible meanes of their destruction The two Houses sent their Committees into Ireland for the better supplying and encouraging of the Armies there and to take an account of the State of the Warre to be represented hither that what should be found defective might be supplied What Warrants they issued we are ignorant off but are well assured that what they did was in pursuance of their duty and for advancement of the publique service and suppressing of that horrid Rebellion and we cannot but still affirme they were discountenanced and commanded from the Councell there where the prosecution of that Warre was to be managed and that iâ— was Declared from His Majesty that he disapproved of the subscriptions of the Officers of the Army by meanes whereof that course was diverted Concerning the monies raised for Ireland we have in our former Papers given your Lordships a full and iust answer and we are sorry the same cannot receive credit those monyes raised upon charitable collections we do positively affirme were only imployed to those ends for which they were given and we cannot but wonder the contrary should be suggested we are confident the Commission desired by the two Houses for the Lord Wharton and which your Lordships acknowledge was denied was only such as they conceived most necessary for advancement of that service and the deniall thereof proved very prejudiciall thereunto And we must againe informe your Lordships that it was well knowne at the time when the goods were seised by His Maiesties Forces as your Lordships alledge neare Coventry that the same were then carrying for the supply of the Protestants in Ireland and some other provisions made and sent for the same purpose were likewise seised taken away by some of his Maiesties Forces as we have bin credibly informed not without his Maiesties own knowledge direction your Lordships may believe that those who signed the Letters mentioned in your Papers have done nothing but what they may well iustifie and if the same be well done they need not feare to give an Accompt thereof nor your Lordships to suppose that if they come within our Quarters they shall be otherwise dealt withall then shall be agreeable to Justice Vpon the whole matter notwithstanding the allegations pretences and Excuses offered by your Lordships for the Cessation made with the Rebels in Ireland we are clearly satisfied that the same was altogether uniust unlawfull and destructive to His Maiesties good Subiects and of advantage to none but the Popish bloudy Rebels in that Kingdom And therefore we still earnestly insist as we conceive our selves in Conscience and duty obliged upon our former demands concerning Irelanâ— which we conceive most iust and honourable for His Maâ—esty to consent unto We know no other wayes to propound more probable for the reducing of the Rebels there but these being granted we shall chearfully proceed in the managing of that War and doubt not by â—ods blessing we shall speedily settle that Kingdome in their due Obedience to His Maiesty Their other Paper 20. Feb. VVE cannot understand how out of any of the Papers Articles CLXXIV and Ordinances delivered by us unto your Lordships there should be a ground for your opinion that upon any differences between the Committees or Commanders imployed about the Warre of Ireland the Warre should stand still or be dissolved nor doe we find that the Ordinance of the 11th of Aprill can produce any such inconvenience as your Lordships do imagine Nor doth the making of the Earle of Leven Commander in chiefe of the Scottish and Brittish Forces and the setling of the prosecution of the Warre of Ireland in the two Houses of the Parliament of England to be managed by the joynt advice of both Kingdoms take away the relation to His Majesties authority or of the two Houses of Parliament or of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland For in the first place His Majesties consent is humbly desired and the whole power is derived from him only the execution of it is put into such a way and the Generall is to carry on the Warre according to the Orders he shall receive from the Committee of both Kingdoms and in case of disagreement in the Committee the two Houses of Parliament are to prosecute that Warre as is expressed in our Answer to your Lordships second Paper of the 19. of February And when there shall be a Lieutenant of Ireland and that he shall joyne with the Commander in chiefe of the Scottish Army the said Commander is to receive Instructions from him according to the Orders of the Commissioners of both Kingdoms as we have said in our answere to your Lordships second Paper of this day nor doth the naming of the Earle of Leven to be Generall any more take away the power of the two Houses then if he were a Native of this Kingdome or is there any part of the Kingdom of Ireland delivered over into the hands of His Majesties Subjects of the Kingdom of Scotland who doe only joyne with their Councells and Forces for carrying on the Warre and reducing that Kingdom to His Majesties obedience And we conceive it most conducing for the good of His Majesties service and of that Kingdom that the Lieutenant and Judges there should be nominated by the two Houses of Parliament as is expressed in the 20. Proposition who will recommend none to be imployed by His Maiesty in places of so great trust but such whose known ability and integrity shall make them worthy of them which must needs be best known to a Parliament Nor are they to have any greater power conferred upon them by the granting this Proposition then they have had who did formerly execute those places And we know no reason why your Lordships should make difficulty of His Maiesties consenting to such Acts as shall be presented unto Him for raising moneys and other necessaries from the Subiect which is without any charge to Himselfe for no other end but the setling of the true Protestant Religion in that Kingdom and reducing it to His Maiesties Obedience for which we hold nothing too deare that can be imployed by us And we cannot but wonder that your Lordships should make the prosecution of the Warre of Ireland which is but to execute Justice upon those bloody Rebels who have broken all Lawes of God and Man their Faith their Alleageance all bonds of Charity all rules
of Humanity and Humane society who have Butchered so many thousands of Innocent Christians Men Woâ—men and Children whose blood cries up to Heaven for Vengeance so many of His Maiesties Subiects whose lives He is bound to require at their hands that spilt them and to doe Justice upon them to put away innocent blood from Himselfe His posterity the whole Land these execrable antichristian Rebels who have made a covenant with Hell to destroy the Gospell of Christ and have taken up Armes to destroy the Protestant Religion to set up Popery to rend away one of His Majesties Kingdoms and deliver it up into the hands of strangers for which they have negotiations with Spaine and other States a Warre which must prevent so much mischiefe doe so much good offer up such an acceptable sacrifice to the great and just God of Heaven who groanes under so much wickednesse to lye so long unpunished A Warre which must reduce that Kingdom unto His Majesties obedience the most glorious work that this Kingdom can undertake That the prosecution of such a Warre your Lordships should make to depend upon any other condition that the distractions of these Kingdoms should be laid as an impediment unto it and that there should be any thought any thing which should give those Rebells hope of impunity if our miseries continue whereas according to Christian reason and the ordinary course of Gods providence nothing can be more probable to continue our miseries then the least connivance in this kind what can be said or imagined should be any inducement to it we hope not to make use of their help and assistance to strengthen any party here to bring over such Actors of barbarous cruelties to exercise the same in these Kingdoms we desire your Lordships to consider these things and that nothing may remaine with you which may hinder His Majesty from giving His consent to all good means for the reducing of Ireland according to what is desired by us in our Propositions The King's Commissioners Reply to the two last Papers The King's Commissioners Paper 20. February WE are very sory that our answere formerly given to CLXXV your Lordships in the businesse of the Cessation which was so necessary to be made and being made to be kept hath not given your Lordships satisfaction and that your Lordships have not rather thought fit to make the reasonablenesse of your Propositions concerning Ireland appeare to us or to make such as might be reasonable in the stead then by charging His Majesty with many particulars which highly reflect upon His honour to compell us to mention many things in answer to your Lordships Allegations which otherwise in a time of Treaty when we would rather endeavour to prevent future inconveniences then to insist on past mistakes we desired to have omitted And we can no wayes admit that when the Cessation was made in Ireland His Maiesties Protestant Subjects there could have subsisted without that Cessation nor that the Warre can be maintained and prosecuted to the subduing the Rebels there so long as the Warre continues in this Kingdom which are the chiefe grounds laid for the assertions in your Lordships first Paper delivered this day concerning the businesse of Ireland neither can we conceive that your Lordships have alleadged any thing that could in the least degâ—ee satisfy us that His Majesty had no power to make that Cessation or had no reason so to doe considering as we have formerly said and doe againe insist upon it that by that Cessation which was not made till long after this Kingdom was embroyled in a miserable Warre the poore Protestants there who for want of supplies from hence were ready to famish and be destroyed were preserved and that Kingdome kept from utter ruine so farre was it from being a designe for their destruction or for the advantage of the Popish bloody Rebels as is insinuated for it appears by the Letters of the Lords Justices of Ireland Sir William Parsons and Sir John Borlase and of the Councell there of the 4th of Aprill 1643. before that Cessation made directed to the Speaker of the House of Commons a Copy whereof we delivered to your Lordships though we presume you may have the Originall That his Majesties Army and good Subiects there were in danger to be devoured for want of needfull supplies forth of England and that His Majesties Forces were of necessity sent abroad to trie what might be done for sustaining them in the Country to keep them alive untill supplies should get to them but that designe failing those their hopes were converted into astonishment to behold the miseries of the Officers and Souldiers for want of all things and all those wants made unsupportable in the want of food and diverse Commanders and Officers declaring they had little hope to be supplied by the Parliament pressed with so great importunity to be permitted to depart the Kingdom as that it would be extreame difficult to keep them there And in another part of that Letter for we shall not grieve you with mention of all their complaints they exprested That they were expelling thence all strangers and must instantly send away for England thousands of poore despoyled English whose very eating was then unsupportable to that place that their confusions would not admit the writing of many more Letters if any for they had written diverse others expressing their great necessities And to the end His Majesty and the English Nation might not irrecoverably and unavoydably suffer they did desire that then though it were almost at the pâ—ynt to be too late supplies of victualls and Ammunition in present might be hastned thither to keep life untill the rest might follow there being no victuall in the store nor a hundred Barrells of Powder a small proportion to defend a Kingdom left in the store when the out Garrisons as they were to be instantly were supplied and that remainder according to the usuall necessary expence besides extraordinary accidents would not last above a Month. And in that Letter they sent a Paper Signed by sundry Officers of the Army delivered to them as they were ready to signe that dispatch by them apprehended to threaten imminent danger which mentioned That they were brought to that great exigence that they were ready to rob and spoyle one another that their wants began to make them desperate That if the Lords Iustices and Councell there did not find a speedy way for their preservation they did desire that they might have leave to go away That if that were not granted they must have recourse to the Law of Nature which teacheth all men to preserve themselves And by a letter of the 11th of May following a Copie whereof we have also delivered to your Lordships the Lords Iustices and Councell there did advertise His Majesty that they had no victuall cloathes or other provisions no money to provide them of any thing they want no Armes not above 40 Barrells of
and the Scots suffering under as great wants and failer of Supplies as the Protestants in other places and in no better posture of their owne defence Notwithstanding in a true sense of their owne duty and Conscience they have opposed and still doe oppose the same neither were the English there neglected as your Lordships have been misinformed by such who labour to destroy both Nations and as a meanes thereto to divide them Besides the goods seized neare Coventry we have mentioned other particulars asserted to be seized not without His Majesties owne knowledge and direction as we are informed and are most unwilling to beleeve Neither doe we understand it to be an excuse for feizing some goods to say that His Majesty did forbeare to seize others in his Power but when His Maiesty shall rightly ponder the horridnesse of that Rebellion we hope those wicked Instruments who contrived and doe support the same will have no power to alter His Maiesties tender sense of the miseries of His Protestant Subiects in that Kingdome nor at all to lessen His Piety and gracious Care for quenching the flames of that unhappy Rebellion We doe againe affirme unto your Lordships the truth of what we said before concerning the Supplies of Ireland by the two Houses and it seemes strange that what hath been lately sent should not be looked upon as a support of the Warre against the Rebels by which onely the Protestants were inabled to defend themselves and to infest their Enemies Nor can we imagine any other means as a support of that just Warre being most assured that if this had not been done the Rebels must certainly have prevailed and the remnant of His Majesties good Subjects of that Kingdomr have perished Your Lordships are pleased to remember some monyes by us imployed particularly one hundred Thousand Pounds which was raised for Ireland all which have been resatisfied with advantage And we must as often as you are pleased to repeat it refer your Lordships to our former just and clear Answers concerning the same and the like for the Forces under the Command of the Lord Wharton And we beleeve what your Lordships expresse concerning the Forces brought hither to His Majesty out of Ireland after the Cessation it being one end for which the Cessation was made that those Forces might be imployed against the two Houses of Parliament here And those Scottish Forces which came over were not sent for We know of no Persons who have returned into Ireland since the Cessation except such as were Agents for the procuring thereof and divers principall Rebels who presumed to addresse themselves unto His Majesty at Oxford and were there countenanced It is probable that some might endeavour to alienatâ— the hearts of the Officers of the Army there from the two Houses whereby their service against the Rebels might be interrupted To that particular of the Subscriptions of the Officers and of the Committee sent into Ireland and of the diversions of Monyes alleadged and of the Copies of Letters given us by your Lordships without the names of those who subscribed them We have already given your Lordships a full and clear answer but have not received satisfaction concerning the denyall of the Lord Whartons Commission whereby the service of that Kingdome was much prejudiced It is so farre from being made appeare that His Majesties English Protestant Subiects in Ireland could not subsist without a Cessation that the untrary is undeniable and that His Majesties Protestant Subiects there both English and Scottish who have opposed that Cessation have subsisted and doe still subsist And we are sory to find any inclination to continue that Cessation which whensoever made will be esteemed by all good Protestants a countenancing of that bloudy Rebellion We doe insist upon our former Demands concerning Ireland and doubt not but those being granted notwithstanding our present miserable Distractions here we shall by the blessing of God bring those bloudy Rebels to a speedy and just punishment and settle that unhappy Kingdome in their due Obedience to His Majesty and the Crowne of England Their other Paper 22. Feb. IT is not possible for us to give a more cleare Answer then we CLXXVIII have done to shew that there can no such inconvenience follow upon confirming the Ordinance of the 11th of April by Act of Parliament as your Lordships doe imagine It being desired that the Treaty of the sixt of August be in like manner confirmed By which the Commanders of the Scottish Forces in Ireland are to be answerable to His Majesty and the two Houses of Parliament of England for their whole deportment and proceeding there and it being desired by the 13th Proposition that the prosecutions of the War of Ireland should be setled in both Houses of Parliament all which taken together it cannot follow that upon any disagreement between the Committees there the Earle of Leven may carry on the War according to his own discretion as for our expression when there shall be a Lievtenant in Ireland which was used in answer to your Lordships second paper of the 20 of February it was was to satisfie your Lordships that there could be no interfering between the powers of the Lord Lievtenant and of the Earle of Leven and still we say when there shall be a Lord Lievtenant chosen as is expressed in our 20th Proposition for we do not admit the Marquesse of Ormond to be so the Commander in cheife of the Scottish Army is to receive Instructions from him in such manner as we have laid it down in that answer of ours to your Lordships paper above mentioned which will we hope satisfie your Lordships other obiection that this is not to deliver over the whole Kingdom of Ireland into the hands of His Maiesties Subiects of the Kingdom of Scotland seeing such of that Nation as are there imployed are to be subordinate to the Committee of both Kingdoms and in case of disagreement an appeal lies to the two Houses of the Parliament of England in whom the power of prosecuteing the War is to be setled And we must insist to desire that the Lord Leivtenant and the Iudges in that Kingdome may be nominated by the two Houses of Parliament who have by sad experience to the great cost of this Kingdom expence of so much treasure and bloud the losse of many thousand lives there and almost of that whole Kingdom from His Maiesties obedience and an inestimable preiudice to the true Protestant Religion found the ill consequence of a bad choyce of persons for those great places of trust Therefore for His Maiesties honour the good of His service the great advantage it will be to the rest of His Maiesties Dominions the great comfort to all good Christians and even an acceptable service to God himself for the attaining of so much good and the prevention of so much evill they desire to have the nomination of those great Officers that by a prudent and
That their Commissioners should have Instructions to Treat upon them Instructions concerning His Majesties Propositions for setling a safe and well grounded Peace And if you have any touching the same we desire to have a sight of them Their Answer I. Feb. WE have not yet received Instructions concerning His CLXXXI Maiesties Propositions and shall therefore acquaint the Lords and Commons Assembled in the Parliament of England with the desires expressed in that Paper who having taken those Instructions into their consideration before our comming from them will send them to us in time convenient After upon the third of February His Majesties Commissioners delivered this Paper concerning His Majesties sixt Proposition for a Cessation of Armes 3. February WE desire to know whether your Lordships have received CLXXXII any Instructions concerning that Proposition of His Majesties for a Cessation and if your Lordships have not received any that you will endeavour to procure Authority to Treat thereupon which we have power to doe and conceive it very necessary that during the time we are endeavourinâ— to establish a blessed and happy Peace the issues of blood may be stopped in this miserable Kingdom and His Maiesties oppressed and Languishing Subjects have some earnest and prospect of the Peace we are endeavouring by Gods blessing to procure for them To this no particular Answer was given The King's Commissioners Paper 10. February HAving now spent three daies severally upon each of CLXXXIII your Lordships three Propositions concerning Religion the Militia and Ireland we desire to know whether your Lordships have received any instructions concerning His Majesties Propositions that we may prepare our selves to Treat upon them when your Lordships shall think fit Their Answer 11. Feb. VVE have received Instructions concerning His Maiesties CLXXXIV Propositions And when the Houses of Parliament shall be satisfied in the good Progresse of the Treaty upon their Propositions concerning Religion the Militia and Ireland they will give time for the Treaty upon those Propositions sent by His Maiesty But there was not any time given to Treat upon His Majesties Propositions Touching further time for continuing or reviveing the Treaty and His Majesties Returne to Westminster after Disbanding those Papers were delivered The King's Commissioners Paper 14. Febr. VVE have this day received directions from His Majesty CLXXXV to move your Lordships that you will endeavour to procure an addition of time for this Treaty after the expiration of the daies limited for the same upon the reasons mentioned in His Majesties Letter which Letter we herewith deliver to your Lordships The Letter mentioned in the last Paper from His Majesty to His Commissioners is this RIght Trusty c. Having received from you a CLXXXVI particular accompt of your proceedings in the Treaty and observing thereby how impossible it is within the daies limited to give such full Answers to the three Propositions you are now upon as you might if upon Consideration had of the rest of the Propositions you could clearely see what fruit such Answers will produce in order to a blessed Peace for the present and the future good and happinesse of this Kingdom We have thought it fit to advise you That you propose and desire of the Commissioners with whom you Treat that they will procure such farther time to be allowed after the expiration of the Twenty daies as may be sufficient for you upon a full understanding one of another upon the whole to make such a Conclusion that all Our Subjects may reap the Benefit good men pray for Deliverance from these bloody distractions and be united in Peace and Charity And if you think fit you may communicate this Our Letter to them And so we bid you heartily farewell Given at Our Court at Oxford 13. Feb. 1644. By His MAJESTIES Command GEORGE DIGBY To Our Right Trusty c. the Lords and others Our Commissioners for the Treaty at Vxbridge Their Answer 14. Feb. COncerning the paper delivered by your Lordships for addition CLXXXVII of time for the Treaty We can give no other answer then that we will send Copies of His Maiesties Letter and of the paper unto the Houses of Parliament and after signification of their pleasure we will give further answer Afterwards on the 18th of Feb. they delivered this paper 18. February YOur Lordships may please to take notice that in the 20 dayes CLXXXVIII appointed to Treat upon the Propositions concerning Religion Militia and Ireland the first Thursday and three Sundayes are not to be included The King's Commissioners paper 20. February BY our paper delivered to your Lordships the 14th of this CLXXXIX moneth we moved your Lordships to endeavour an addition of time for this Treaty after the expiration of the dayes limited for the same upon the reasons mentioned in His Majesties Letter which letter we then delivered to your Lordships whereunto your Lordships then returned answer that you would send Copies of His Majesties Letter and of our paper to the Houses of Parliament and after signification of their pleasure you would give farther Answer we now desire to know whether there may be an addition of time for this Treaty after the expiration of the dayes limited for the same upon the reasons mentioned in His Maiesties said letter and what time may be added Their Answer 20. Feb. YOur Lordships paper of the 14th of this moneth for an addition CXC of time for this Treaty together with His Maiesties Letter concerning the same were sent by us to the Houses of Parliament who * See their Paper before 11. February no. 185. as we have already acquainted your Lordships have declared That if they shall be satisfied in the good progresse of the Treaty upon the Propositions concerning Religion the Militia and Ireland will give time for the Treaty upon the Propositions by His Majesty but farther then this have not as yet signified their pleasures unto us The King's Commissioners Paper 20. February HAving now spent 18 dayes with your Lordships in the CXCI. Treaty upon Religion the Militia and Ireland besides the present satisfaction we have given your Lordships in those particulars we having offered that further consideration and order be taken therein by His Majestie and the two Houses of Parliament and your Lordships having proposed many important things in the said severall particulars to be framed setled disposed by the two Houses before a full Agreement can be established we propose to your Lordships whether the two dayes remaining may not be best spent towards the satisfying your Lordships in those 3 Propositions and the procuring a speedy blessed Peace upon finding out some expedient for His Majesties repaire to Westminster that so all differences may be composed and this poor Kingdom be restored to it's Ancient happines and security and to that purpose if your Lordships shall think fit we are willing to Treat with your Lordships concerning the best meanes whereby all
Lords day The King's Commissioners Reply 22. February WE cannot expresse the great sadnesse of our hearts that CXCVI. all our earnest endeavours to give your Lordships satisfaction in all particulars of this Treaty have produced no better effects towards a blessed Peace which His Majesty and we who are trusted by him doe so heartily pray for and that so many and great offers made by us to your Lordships in the particulars we have treated upon should not be thought a good progresse on our part in the said Treaty as we find by your Lordships last paper to our great griefe they are not and therefore that this must be the last day of the Treaty we desire your Lordships to consider that we being intrusted by His Majesty to Treat with your Lordships for a safe well grounded Peace have upon the matter of your Lordships Propositions consented to so many particulars and alterations of very great importance and that your Lordships who were to Treat with us have not abated one tittle of the most severe and rigorous of your Propositions saving what you were pleased the last night to propose in the poynt of time concerning the Militia which though it seems to be limited to seaven years in truth leaves it as unlimited as it was before in your Propositions for at the end of seaven years it must not be exercised otherwise then shall be setled by His Majesty and the two Houses of Parliament so that all the legall power now in His Majesty is taken away and not restored after the seaven years expired Neither is there a full consent to that limiration offered by your Lordships the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland Nor have your Lordships offered to us any prospect towards Peace other then by submitting totally to those Propositions the which if we should doe we should consent to such alterations as by constructions and consequences may dissolve the whole frame of the present Government both Ecclesiasticall and Civill in this Kingdom And though the particulars proposed by your Lordships have by debate appeared not only evidently unreasonable but literally considered to comprehend things to be extended to powers not intended by your selves yet your Lordships have not been pleased either to restraine or interpret any particular in any other manner then is set forth in the said Propositions In the matter of Religion we have offered all such alterations as we conceive may give satisfaction to any objections that have been or can be made against that Government and have given your Lordships reasons not only why we cannot consent to your Lordships Propositions but that even those Propositions if consented to could not be in order to a Reformation or to the procuring the publique Peace And we must desire your Lordships to remember that though you doe not only in your Covenant which you require may be taken by His Majesty and injoyned to be taken by all His Subjects undertake the Reformation in poynt of Government but even in poynt of Doctrine too thereby laying an imputation upon the Religion it selfe so long professed in this Kingdom with the generall approbation of all reformed Churches yet your Lordships have not given us the least argument nor so much as intimated in your debate the least Prejudice to the Doctrine of the Church of England against which we presume you cannot make any colourable objection nor have you given us the view in particular of the Government you desire should be submitted to in the place of that you propose to be abolished and therefore we propose to your Lordships if the alterations proposed by us doe not give your Lordships satisfaction that so great an alteration as the totall abolition of a Government established by Law may for the importance of it and any reformation in Doctrine for the scandall of it be suspended till after the disbanding of all Armies His Maiesty may be present with the two Houses of Parliament and calling a Nationall Synod may receive such advice both from the one and the other as in a matter of so high concernment is necessary And we are most confident that His Majesty will then follow the advice which shall be given him And as any Reformation thus regularly and calmely made must needs prove for the singular benefit and Honour of the Kingdom so we must appeale to your Lordships whether the centrary that is an alteration even to things though in themselves good can by the principles of Christian Religion be enforced upon the King or Kingdom In the businesse of the Militia though your Lordships doe not deny that the Iealousies and apprehensions of danger are mutuall and that the chiefe end of depositing the Militia in the hands of certain Persons is for security against those Jealousies and possible dangers yet your Lordships insist That all those Persons to be entrusted shall be nominated by the two Houses of Parliament in England and the Estares of the Parliament in Scotland and that the time for that great Generall and unheard of Trust shall be in such manner that though it seem to be limited to seaven years yet in truth by declaring That after those scaven years it shall not be otherwise exercised then His Maiesty and the two Houses of Parliament shall agree and His Maiesty may thereby be totally and for ever divested of the power of the Sword without which He can neither defend himselfe against Forteigne Invasions or Domestick Insurrections or execute His Kingly Office in the behalfe of His Subjects to whom He is Sworne to give Protection And to both these your Lordships adde the introducing a Neighbour Nation governed by distinct and different Lawes though united under one Soveraigne to a great share in the Government of this Kingdom In stead of consenting to these Changes we have offered and proposed to your Lordships That the Persons to be Trusted with the Militia of the Kingdom may be nominated between us or if that were refused That an equall number shall be named by you and the other number by His Majesty and that halfe the Forts and places of strength within the Kingdom shall be in the custody of those whom you think fit to be trusted therewith the other halfe in such hands as His Majesty please to commit the same to And all persons as well those nominated by your Lordships as by His Majesty to take an Oath for the due discharge of the said Trust which being considered as the sceurity is mutuall so neither part can be supposed to violate the agreement without very evident inconvenience and danger to that part who shall so violate it the whole Kingdom being likely and indeed obliged to look upon whosoever shall in the least degree violate this agreement as the authors of all the miseries which the Kingdom shall thereby suffer And as it is most reasonable that for this security His Majesty should part with so much of his own power as may make him even
joyntly made use of with the Publique Faith of the Kingdom of England for the present taking up of two hundred thousand pounds sterling in the Kingdom of England or else where For the speedy procuring of the said Hundred Thousand pounds sterling as aforesaid As also a considerable summe for the satisfying in good proportion the Arreares of the Scottish Army in Ireland 8. That no Cessation nor any Pacification or Agreement for Peace whatsoever shall be made by either Kingdom or the Armies of either Kingdom without the mutuall advice and Consent of both Kingdoms or their Committees in that behalf appointed who are to have full Power for the same in case the Houses of the Parliament of England or the Parliament or convention of Estates of Scotland shall not sit 9. That the Publique Faith of the Kingdome of Scotland shall be given to their Brethren of England That neither their entrance into nor their continuance in the Kingdome of England shall be made use of to any other ends then are expressed in the Covenant and in the Articles of this Treaty And that all matters of difference that shall happen to arise between the Subjects of the two Nations shall be resolved and determined by the mutuall advice and consent of both Kingdomes or by such Committees as for this purpose shall be by them appointed with the same power as in the precedent Article 10. That in the same manner and upon the same conditions as the Kingdome of Scotland is now willing to ayde and assist their Brethren of England the Kingdome of England doth oblige themselves to ayd and assist the Kingdome of Scotland in the same or like cases of streights and extremities 11. Lastly it is agreed and concluded That during the time that the Scottish Army shall be imployed as aforesaid for the defence of the Kingdome of England There shall be fitted out as Men of Warre Eight Ships whereof sixe shall be of Burthen betwixt one hundred and Twenty and two hundred Tonne the other between three and foure hundred Tonâ—e whereof two shall be in Lieu of the two Ships appointed by the Irish Treaty All which shall be maintained at the charge of the Kingdome of England to be imployed for the defence of the Coast of Scotland under such Commanders as the Earle of Warwick for the time of his being Admirall shall nominate with the approbation of the Committees of both Kingdomes which Commanders shall receive from the said Earle generall Instructions that they doe from time to time observe the directions of the Committees of both Kingdomes The Ordinance for calling the Assembly of Divines An Ordinance of the Lords and Commons in Parliament for the calling of an Assembly of Learned and Godly Divines and others to be consulted with by the Parliament for the setling of the Government and Liturgy of the Church of England and for vindicating and clearing of the Doctrine of the said Church from false aspertions and interpretations WHereas amongst the infinite blessings of Almighty V. God upon this Nation none is or can be more deare unto us then the purity of our Religion and for that as yet many things remaine in the Liturgy Discipline and Government of the Church which do necessarily require a further and more perfect Reformation then as yet hath been attained and whereas it hath bin declared and resolved by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament that the present Church government by Arch-bishops Bishops their Chancellors Commissaries Deanes Deanes and Chapters Arch-deacons and other Ecclesiasticall Officers depending upon the Hierarchy is evill and iustâ—y offensive and burthensome to the Kingdom a great impedimeâ—t to Reformation and growth of Religion and very preiudicialâ— to the State and government of this Kingdom and thâ—â— therefore they are resolved that the same shall be taken away and that such a government shall be setled in the Church aâ— may be most agreeable to Gods holy word and most apt to proâ—ure and preserve the peace of the Church at home and neerer agreement with the Church of Scotland and other reformed Churches abroad and for the better effecting hereof and for the vindicating and clearing of the doctrine of the Church of England from all false calumnies and aspersions It is thought fit and necessary to call an Assembly of Learned Godly and judicious Divines who together with some Members of both the Houses of Parliament are to consult and advise of such matters and things touching the premises as shall be proposed unto them by both or either of the Houses of Parliament and to give their advice and counsell therein to both or either of the said Houses when and as often as they shall be thereunto required Be it therefore ordained by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled That all and every the persons hereafter in this present Ordinance named that is to say Algernon Earle of Northumberland William Earle of Bedford Philip Earle of Pembroke and Montgomery William Earle of Salisbury Henry Earle of Holland Edward Earle of Manchester William Lord Viscount Say and Seale Edward Lord Viscount Conway Philip Lord Wharton Edward Lord Howard of Estr John Selden Esqu Francis Rows Esqu Edmund Prideaux Esqu Sr Henry Vane Knight senior Iohn Glyn Esqu Recorder of London Iohn White Esqu Bouldstrode Whitlocke Esqu Humphrey Salloway Esqu M. Serjcant Wild Oliver Saint-John Esqu His Majesties Sollicitor Sr Benjamen Rudyard Knight Iohn Pym Esq Sir John Clotworthy Knight Iohn Maynard Esqu Sir Henry Vane Knight junior William Pierpoint Esqu William Wheeler Esqu Sir Thomas Barrington Knight Walter Young Esqu Sir John Evelin Knight Herbert Palmer of Ashwell Batchelor in Divinity Oliver Boles of Sutton Batchelor in Divinity Henry Wilkinson of Waddesdon Batchelor in Divinity Thomas Valentine of Chalfont-Giles Batchelor in Divinity D William Twiss of Newbury William Raynor of Egham Mr. Hannibal Gammon of Maugan Mr. Iasper Hickâ— of Lawrick Dr. Joshua Hoyle late of Dublin in Ireland William Bridges of Yarmouth Thomas Wincop of Ellesworth Doctor in Divinity Thomas Goodwin of London Bâ—tchelor in Divinity Iohn Ley of Budworth in Cheshire Thomas Case of London Iohn Pyne of Bereferrers Mr. Whidden of Mooreton Dr. Richard Love of Ekington Dr. William Gouge of Blackfriers London Dr. Ralph Brownerigg Bishop of Exeter Dr. Samuel Ward Master of Sidney Colledge Iohn White of Dorchester Edward Peale of Compton Stephen Marshall of Finchingfild Batchellor in Divinity Obediah Sedgewicke of Cogshall Batchellor in Divinity M. Carter Peter Clerk of Carnaby William Mew of Estington Batchellor in Divinity Richard Capell of Pitchcomb Theophilus Bathurst of Overton Watervile Phil. Nye of Kimbolton D. Brocket Smith of Barkway D. Cornelius Burges of Watford John Greene of Pencombe Stanley Gower of Brampton-Bryan Francis Taylor of Yalding Tho. Wilson of Otham Antho. Tuckney of Boston Batchellor of Divinity Thomas Coleman of Bliton Charles Herle of Winwicke Richard Herricke of Manchester Richard Cleyton of Showell George Gibbs of Ayleston D. Calibute Downing
Horse appointed to joyne therewith whereunto they shall returne when the service is done And that no Officer of the Scottish Army shall be Commanded by one of his owne quality and if the Commanders of the Troopes so sent out of either Army be of one Quality that they Command the Party by turnes And it is neverthelesse provided That the whole Scottish Army may be called out of the Province of Vlster and the Horses appointed to joyne with them by His Majesties Lievtenant of Ireland or other Cheife Governour or Governours of that Kingdom for the time being if he or they shall thinke fit before the Rebellion be totally suppressed therein Eleventh It is agreed That the Scottish Army shall be entertained by the English for three moneths from the Twentieth of Iune last and so along after untill they be discharged and that they shall have a moneths Pay advanced when they are first Mustered in Ireland and thereafter shall be duly paid from Month to Month And that there shall be one Muster-Master appointed by the English Muster-Master Generall to make strict and frequent Musters of the Scottish Army and that what Companies of Men shall be sent out of Scotland within the compasse of the ten Thousand Men shall be paid upon their Musters in Ireland although they make not up compleat Regiments Twelfth It is agreed That the Scottish Army shall receive their discharge from the King and Parliament of England or from such Persons as shall be appointed and authorized by His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament for that purpose And that there shall be a Moneths warning before hand of their disbanding which said discharge and Moneths warning shall be made knowne by His Majesty and them to the Councell of Scotland or the Lord Chancellour a Moneth before the discharging thereof And that the Common Souldiers of the Scottish at their dismission shall be allowed fourteen dayes Pay for carrying of them home Thirteenth It is provided and agreed That at any time after the three Moneths now agreed upon for the entertainment of the Scottish Army shall be Expired and that the two Houses of Parliament or such Persons as shall be authorized by them shall give notice to the Councell of Scotland or to the Lord Chancellor there That after one Moneth from such notice given the said two Houses of Parliament will not pay the said Scottish Army now in Ireland any longer then the said two Houses of Parliament shall not be obleiged to pay the said Army any longer then during the said Moneth Any thing in this Treaty contained to the Contrary notwithstanding The Ordinances of the 9th of March and 11th of Aprill Die Sabbati 9. Martii 1644. Resolved upon the Question by the Lords and Commons in Parliament Assembled THat he who doth or shall command in chiefe over the said VIII Army by joynt advice of both Kingdoms shall also command the rest of the Brittish Forces in Ireland And for the further managing of that Warre and prosecuting the ends expressed in the Covenant That the same be done by joynt advice with the Committees of both Kingdomes Die Iovis 11. April 1644. Resolved upon the Question by the Lords and Commons in Parliament Assembled THat the Earle of Leven Lord Generall of the Scots Forces in Ireland being now by the Votes of both Houses agreed to be Commander in Chiefe over all the Forces as well Brittish as Scots according to the Fourth Article of the result of the Committees of both Kingdoms passed both Houses be desired with all convenient speed by the advice of the said Committees to appoynt and nominate a Commander in chiefe under his Excellency over the said Forces to reside with them upon the place Resolved c. THat Committees be nominated and appointed by the joynt advice of both Kingdomes of such numbers and Qualities as shall be by them agreed on to be sent with all convenient speed to reside with the said Forces and inabled with all ample Instructions by the joynt advice of both Kingdoms for the Regulating of the said Forces and the better carrying on of that Warre The Letter of the Lords Justices and Councell of Ireland to the Speaker of the House of Commons in England 4. Aril 1643. a Duplicate whereof the originall being sent to Westminster was by them sent to Mr Secretary Nicholas for His Majesty SIR OVr very good Lord the Lord Marquesse of Ormond having IX in his march in his last expedition consulted severall times with the Commanders and Officers of the Army in a Councell of Warre and so finding that subsistence could not be had abroad for the Men and Horses he had with him or for any considerable part of them it was resolved by them that his Lordship with those Forces should returne hither which he did on the sixe and twentieth of March. In his returne from Rosse which in the case our Forces stand he found so difficult to be taken in as although our Ordinance made a breach in their walls it was found necessary to desert the Siege he was encountred by an Army of the Rebels consisting of about sixe thousand Foot and sixe hundred and fifty Horse well Armed and Horsed yet it pleased God so to disappoint their Councells and strength as with those small Forces which the Lord Marquesse had with him being of fighting men about two thousand five hundred Foot and five hundred Horse not well armed and for the most part weakly horsed and those as well Men as Horses much weakned by lying in the fields severall nights in much Cold and Raine and by want of mans-meat and horse-meat the Lord Marquesse obtained a happy and glorious deliverance and Victory against those Rebells wherein were slaine about three hundred of them and many of their Commanders and others of quality and divers taken Prisoners and amongst those Prisoners Colonell Cullen a Native of this City who being a Colonell in France departed from thence and came hither to assist the Rebels and was Lievtenant Generall of their Army in the Province of Leinster and the Rebels Army were totally Routed and defeated and their Baggage and Munition seized on by His Majesties Forces who lodged that night where they had gained the Victory and on our side about Twenty slaine in the fight and divers wounded We have great cause to praise God for magnifying his goodnesse and mercy to his Majesty and this his Kingdome so manifestly and indeed wonderfully in that Victory However the joy due from us upon so happy an occasion is we confesse mingled with very great distraction here in the apprehension of our unhappinesse to be such as although the Rebels are not able to overcome His Majesties Army and devoure his other good Subjects here as they desire yet both his Army and good Subjects are in danger to be devoured by the wants of needfull Supplies forth of England for as we formerly signified thither those Forces were of necessity sent
abroad to try what might be done for susteining them in the Country so as to keep them alive untill Supplies should get to us But that designe now failing those our hopes are converted into astonishment to behold the unspeakable miseries of the Officers Souldiers for want of all things and all those wants made the more unsupportable in the want of Food whilest this City being all the help we have is now too apparently found to be unable to help us as it hath hitherto done and divers Commanders and Officers in the Army doe now so faire expresse their sense of their sufferings which indeed are very great and grievous as they declare that they have little hope to be supplyed by the Parliament and presse with so great importunity to be permitted to depart the Kingdome as it will be extream difficult to keep them here By our Letters of the three and twentieth of March we signified thither the unsupportable burthen laid on this City for Victualling those of the Army left here when the Lord Marquesse with the Forces he took with him marched hence which burden is found every day more heavy then other in regard of the many house-keepers thereby dayly breaking up house and scattering their Families leaving still fewer to bear the burden We also by those Letters and by our Letters of the five and twentieth of February advertised thither the high danger this Kingdom would incurre if the Army so sent abroad should by any distresse or through want be forced back hither againe before our reliefe of Victualls should arrive forth of England When we found that those men were returning back hither although we were and are still full of distraction considering the dismall consequences threatned thereby in respect of our wants yet we consulted what we could yet imagine fâ—sible that we had not formerly done to gaine some Food for those men and found that to send them or others abroad into the Country we cannot in regard we are not able to advance Money for procuring the many requisites incident to such an expedition In the end therefore we were enforced to fixe on our former way and so to see who had any thing yet left him untaken from him to help us and although there are but few such and some of them poor Merchants whom we have now by the Law of necessity utterly undone and disabled from being hereafter helpfull to us in bringing us in Victualls or other needfull Commodities yet were we forced to wrest their Commodities from them and certainly there are few here of our selves or others that have not felt their parts in the enforced rigour of our proceedings towards preserving the Army so as what with such hard dealing no lesse greivous to us to do then it is heavy to others to suffer and by our discending against our hearts farre below the honour and dignity of that power we represent here under his Royall Majestie we have with unspeakable difficulty prevailed so as to be able to find Bread for the Souldiers for the space of one month We are now expelling hence all strangers and must instantly send away for England thousands of poore dispoyled English whose very eating is now unsupportable to this place And now againe and finally we earnestly desire for our confusions will not now admit the writing of many more Letters if any that His Majesty and the English Nation may not suffer so great if not irrecoverable prejudice and dishonour as must unavoydably be the consequence of our not being relieved suddenly but that yet although it be even now at the point to be too late supplies of Victualls and Munition in present be hastened hither to keep life untill the rest may follow there being no victuall in the store nor will there be a hundred barrells of powder left in the store when the out Garrisons as they must be instantly are supplyed and that remainder according to the usuall necessary expense besides extraordinary accidents will not last above a month and the residue of our provisions must also come speedily after or otherwise England cannot hope to secure Ireland or secure themselves against Ireland but in the losse of it must look for such enemies from hence as will perpetually disturbe the Peace of His Majesty his Kingdom of England and annoy them by Sea and Land as we often formerly represented thither which mischeifes may yet be prevented if we be yet forthwith enabled from thence with meanes to overcome this Rebellion We hope that a course is taken there for hastening hither the provisions of Armes and Munition mentioned in the docquet sent with our Letters of the twentieth of Ianuary and the six hundred horses which we then moved might be sent hither for recruites and that the seven thousand eight hundred fourscore and thirteen pounds three shillings for Armes to be provided in Holland besides those we expect in London hath bin paid to Anthony Tierens in London or to Daniell Wibrants in Amsterdam and if that Summe had been paid as we at first desired we might well have had those provisions arrived here by the tenth of March as we agreed however we now desire that that Money if it be not already payd may be yet paid to M. Tierens in London or M. Wibrants in Amsterdam that so those provisions may arrive here speedily which considering that summer is now near at hand will be very necessary that when our supplies of Victualls Munition Clothes Money and other provisions shall arrive we may not in the publique service here loose the benefit and advantage of that season And so we remaine from His Majesties Castle of Dublin 4. April 1643. POST-SCRIPT As we were ready to signe this dispatch we received at this Board a paper signed by sundry Officers of the Army now here at Dublin which is in such a stile and threatens so much danger as we hold necessary to send a Copy thereof here incloâ—ed whereby still appeares the high necessity of hastening away money for them and the rest of the Officers and Victualls for the Souldier without which it will be impossible to conteine them from breaking out into mutinie The Letter inclosed MY LORDS AT our first entrance into this unhappy Kingdom we had no other designe then by Our Swords to assert and vindicate the right of His Majesty which was here most highly abused to redresse the wrongs of His poor Subjects and to advance our own particulars in the prosecution of so honest undertakings And for the first of these we do believe they have since our comming over succeeded pretty well but for the last which concernes our selves that hath fallen out so contrary to our expectations that in stead of being rewarded we have been prejudiced instead of getting a Fortune we have spent part of one and though we behave ourselves never so well abroad and performe the Actions of honest men yet we have the reward of Rogues and Rebells wich is misery
and want when we come home Now my Lords although we be brought to so great an exigence that we are ready to robbe and spoyle one another yet to prevent such outrages we thought it better to try all honest meanes for our subsistence before we take such indirect courses Therefore if your Lordships will be pleased to take us timely into your considerations before our urgent wants makes us desperate we will as we have done hitherto serve your Lordships readily and faithfully But if your Lordships will not find a way for our preservations here we humbly desire we may have leave to goe where we may have a better being and if your Lordships shall refuse to grant that we must then take leave to have our recourse to that first and prymary Law which God hath endued all men with we mean the Law of nature which teacheth all men to preserve themselves The Letter of the Lords Iustices and Councell of Ireland to His Majesty of the 11. of May. 1643. May it please Your most excellent Majesty AS soon as we your Majesties Iustices entred into the X. charge of this government we took into our consideration at this Board the state of your Army here which we find suffering under unspeakable extremities of Want of all things necessary to the support of their Persons or maintenance of the Warre here being no Victualls Cloaths or other provisions requisite towards their sustenance No Money to provide them of any thing they want No Armes in Your Majesties stores to supply their many defective Armes Not above forty Barrells of Powder in Your stores No strength of serviceable Horses being now left here and those few that are their Armes for the most part lost or unserviceable No Shipps arrived here to guard the Coasts and consequently no security rendred to any that might on their private adventures bring in provisions of Victualls or other necessaries towards our subsistence and finally No visible means by Sea or Land of being able to preserve for You this your Kingdom and to render deliverance from utter destruction to the remnant of Your good Subjects yet left here We find that Your Majesties late Iustices and this Board have often and fully by very many Letters advertised the Parliament in England of the extremities of Affaires here and besought reliefe with all possible importunity which also have been fully represented to Your Majesty and to the Lord Lieutenant and Mr Secretary Nicholas to be made known to Your Majesty and although the Winds have of late for many daies and often formerly stood very faire for accessions of supply forth of England hither and that we have still with longing expectations hoped to find provisions arrive here in some degree answerable to the necessities of Your affaires yet now to our unexpressible griefe after full six months waiting and much longer patience and long suffering we find all our great expectations answered in a mean and inconsiderable quantity of provisions viz. threescore and fifteen barrells of Butter and fourteen Tunne of Cheese being but the fourth part of a small Vessells loading which was sent from London and arrived here on the fift day of this Month which is not above seaven or eight daies provision for that part of the Army which lies in Dublin and the out Garrisons thereof No mony or victualls other then that inconsiderable proportion of Victuall having arrived in this place as sent from the Parliament of England or from any other forth of England for the use of the Army since the beginning of November last We have by the blessing of God been hitherto prosperous and successefull in Your Majesties affaires here and should be still hopefull by the mercy of God under the Royall Directions of Your Sacred Majesty to vindicate Your Majesties Honour and recover your rights here and take due vengeance on these Traitors for the innocent bloud they have spilt if we might be strengthened and supported therein by needfull supplies forth of England but these supplies having hitherto been expected to come from the Parliament of England on which if Your Majesty had not relied we are assured You would in Your High Wisdom have found out some other meanes to preserve this Your Kingdom and so great and apparent a failer having hapned therein and all the former and late long continuing Easterly Winds bringing us no other Provisions then those few Cheeses and Butter and no advertisements being brought us of any future supply to be so much as in the way hither whereby there might be any likelyhood that considerable means of support for Your Majesties Army might arrive here in any reasonable time before we be totally swallowed up by the Rebels and Your Kingdom by them wrested from you We find our selves so disappoynted of our hopes from the Parliament as must needs trenâ—h to the utter losse of the Kingdom if Your Majesty in Your high Wisdom ordaine not some present means of preservation for us And considering that if now by occasion of that unhappy and unexpected failing of support from thence we shall be lesse successefull in your Services here against the Rebels then hitherto whilst we were enabled with some meanes to serve you we have been the shame and dishonour may in common construction of those that know not the in-wards of the cause be imputed to us and not to the failings that disabled us and considering principally and above all things the high and eminent trust of your Affaires here deposited with us by your Sacred Majesty we may not forbeare in discharge of our Duty thus freely and plainly to declare our humble apprehensions to the end your Majesty thus truly understanding the terriblenesse of our Condition may find out some such meanes of support to preserve to your Majesties and your Royall Posterity this your Ancient and Rightfull Crowne and Kingdome and derive deliverance and safety to the Remnant of your good Subjects yet left here as in your Excellent Judgement you shall find to be most for your Honour and Advantage And so praying to the King of Kings to guide and direct you for the best in this high and important Cause and in all other your Councells and Actions we humbly remaine from your Majesties Castle of Dublin the 11th day of May 1643. Your Majesties most Loyall and most faithfull Subjects and Servants FINIS HIS MAIESTIES ANSWERS TO CERTAIN PAPERS DELIVERED IN to His Commissioners at Vxbridge upon the close of the TREATY ONE CONCERNING THE MILITIA AND TWO CONCERNING IRELAND To which being long and comming in so neare the breaking up of the Treaty no Answers could then be given See them in the Narrative N o 136. 177. 178. OXFORD Printed by Leonard Lichfield Printer to the Vniversity 1645. HIS Majesties Answers to certain Papers delivered See them in the Narrative no. 136. 177 178. in to His Commissioners at Vxbridge upon the close of the Treaty concerning the Militia and Ireland c.