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A53455	[An] answer to a scandalous letter lately printed and subscribed by Peter Welsh, procurator for the Sec. and Reg. popish priests of Ireland Intituled, A letter desiring a just and merciful regard of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland, given about the end of Octob. 1660. to the then Marquess, now Duke of Ormond, and the second time Lord Lieutenant of that Kingdom. By the right honourable the Earl of Orrery, one of the Lords Justices of the kingdom of Ireland, and L. President of the province of Munster, &c. Being a full discovery of the treachery of the Irish rebels since the beginning of the rebellion there, necessary to be considered by all adventureres and other persons estated in that kingdom.	Orrery, Roger Boyle, Earl of, 1621-1679.; Walsh, Peter, 1618?-1688. Letter desiring a just and merciful regard of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland.	1662 (1662)	Wing O474; ESTC R223780	34,220	48

late Usurpation though to a good end that they readily acknowledg they owe their Lives and Estates wholly to His Majesties Grace and indulgence and will be more joyful to employ both in the honor and duty of his service than now they are in having received both from his mercy and goodness For 't is fitter to discharge obligations than to contract them The lively sense the once seduced Protestants of Ireland have of their failings and of His Majesties Clemency so justly humbles them that they can take no pleasure to recriminate others farther than by shewing the Injustice of P. W's comparisons which they are more troubled he gave them a rise to do than after the rise was given they were troubled to find out what fully has done it But in regard the Irish Papists in all their Discourses as well as their papers pretend to the defence of His Majesties Right it seems even necessary by way of answer to the other branch of this proposition to rub up their memories 1. Tha● in 1641 the Irish Papists unprovoak'd 1 rebelled 2 robbed the Protestants of more personal estate than the Fee-simple of all the forfeited Lands in Ireland is worth 3 in a few Months murthered about two hundred thousand innocents 4 with a sin next to Blasphemy as now they pretend his Majesties defense so then they pretended his Authority The pretending whereof having been so horrid a sin for it was no less than to have intitled his then Sacred Majesty to all their unparallel'd crimes nay to have made him the Author of them I think it a duty to the memory of that Glorious MARTYR to present the Reader in this place with what will clearly evince their malice therein to be as great as his then Majesties Innocence and nothing can better illustrate the vastnesse of This but by proving 't is a parallel to That I could instance many signal and clear evidences of this Truth besides that memorable one which follows But since I have in most part of my Answer made use of their own Writings and prints to make out their guilt in this very particular I will pursue that method and only cite the preamble of their own Remonstrance delivered by the Lord Viscount Gormanston Sir Lucas Dillon and Sir Robert Talbot Baronet to His Majesties Commissioners at the Town of Trim in the County of Meath on the 17. of March 1642. In which Remonstrance of Grievances for so they call it after they have taken notice that his Majesty had authorized Commissioners to hear what they should say or pr●pound these very words follow viz. Which your Majesties gracious and Princely Favour we find to be accompanied with these words viz. Albeit we do extremely detest the ●dious Rebellion which the Recusants of Ireland have without ground or colour raised against us Our Crown and Dignity Word which deserve to be written with a Beam of the Sun as eternal mon●ments of his Majesties Justice and their guilt nor were they spoken ●n a corner ●ut spoken under the Great Seal and even in that Commission which those False-accusers were to see and hear read and by those expressions they were sufficiently ●rovoked to have p●eaded that Authority they so fa●●ely pre●ended had they had the least shadow for that black ca●umny In these Royal expressions also if at least the Irish Papists have the modesty I bate them the J●stice to acknowledge the King was a fitter Judge of their Crimes then they themselves were the actings of the chief Governors of Ireland when that horrid Rebellion brake out are fully vindicated for the said Irish were so far from being provoked unto it by those that no less a Testimony than the word of that great just and wise Prince proves they had no ground nay not so much as a colour for it 2. In the year 1646. and after a peace concluded with them they attempted by a Treachery not to be parallel'd by any but themselves to cut off the Lord Lieutenant and Army with him who marched out of Dublin on security and confidence of that peace 3. The same year the Council and Congregation of the coufederate Catholicks of Ireland obliged their General Preston by a solemn Oath in these very words viz. To exercise all acts of Hostility against the L. Marquess of Ormond by name and his party and to help advise with counsel and assist in that service the L. General of Ulster employed in the same expedition This Oath is a fruitful Theme to declaim upon but I will l●mit my observations upon it only to these following particulars 1. Least any should doubt they are his Majesties Subjects least any of themselves should repent the sin of not having been such they swear that they may raise their crimes above pardon to exercise all acts of Hostility against his Majesty in the person of that noble Lord who had then as now the high honour to represent him if killing be an act of Hostility they in this Oath swear to kill him if this be not actual Regicide I am sure 't is not their fault that it is not This horrid Oath takes off all disguises and makes their sin as visible as great And if such a Crime be capable of accession it did contract it by the same persons engaging private●y about the same time as I have been assured by an undeniable Testimony That he would serve the King which he afterwards endeavour'd to excuse only by saying His Army was not Nuntio-proof By which it appears indisputably whether the Irish Papists are Subject to the King or to the Pope 2 Instead of repenting and making amends for the late violated peace in the year 1646 they swear to destroy him with whom they had made it 3 This Oath reduc'd the taker of it to a sad Dilemma either to Rebellion or perjury 4 This Oath evidences that nothing is so powerful with the Irish Papists as to destroy his Majesties Government since the uniting of the old Irish Papists and the old English Papists which the Pope himself could not effect the dethroning of his Sacred Majesty has accomplish'd They that could never agree in any thing else agree in this and it is made the very bond of their iniquity I will say no more on this subject but that Herod and Pilate could be friends when it was to crucify Christ 4. In the year 1647. from Kilkenny Jan. 18. the Popish Lords Spiritual and Temporal and Commons of the confederate Catholicks of Ireland employ Commissioners to Rome France and Spain to invite a forreign power into Ireland particularly to Rome their titular Bishop of Ferns and Nicholas Plunket Esq who was Knighted by the Pope for his good service therein and is now one of the confident Advocates for the Irish Papists as defenders of his Majesties Rights and against the Protestants of Ireland as deserters of the Royal cause these I say were authorised to declare viz. That they raised arms for the freedom of the

ANSWER To a Scandalous LETTER Lately Printed and Subscribed By PETER WELSH Procurator for The Sec. and Reg. Popish Priests of Ireland INTITULED A Letter desiring a just and merciful Regard of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland given about the end of Octob. 1660. to the then Marquess now Duke of Ormond and the second time Lord Lievtenant of that Kingdom By the Right Honourable The EARL of ORRERY One of the Lords Justices of the Kingdom of Ireland and L. President of the Province of Munster c. Being a full discovery of the treachery of the Irish Rebels since the beginning of the Rebellion there necessary to be considered by all Adventurers and other persons estated in that Kingdom Printed at DVBLIN by J. C. and Re-printed at London 1662. A Letter desiring a just and merciful regard of the Roman Catholicks of Ireland given about the end of October 1660 to the then Marquess now Duke of Ormond and the second time Lord Lieutenant of that Kingdom SInce I had the honour of speaking last to your Excellence I reflected by occasion of several Discourses had this week with Persons of quality on the dayly encrease of the Fears and Jealousies of my Country-men Which is the reason That instead of waiting on you this morning about private Concernments as I intended I chose rather out of my unalterable affection to your self to give first this paper and therein my thoughts and my desires relating to the publick that is to your self and to his Majesty and his Kingdom of Ireland My Lord I thought fit to tell you That considering the General fear seiz'd already almost on all the Nobility Gentry and others here of that Nation and reflecting on the vast differen●e betwixt my own beliefe and theirs it seems to me I behold in us particularly who have for so many years so much relyed on your word and vertue somewhat fulfilled not unlike the mysterious extinction of all the Lights to one in the Ceremony of Tenebrae in holy week For my Lord I observe in the generality of the Catholicks of Ireland here even I say of those who have been so long as well your constant believers as your passionate sticklers a dimness and darkness seizing their judgments even your fastest friends heretofore loosing at present their faith of your future appearance for them and hopes of their delivery by you at any time evermore Some through ignorance of State affairs and intrigues obstructing as yet others through inconsideration of those wayes you take much wiser though slower than folly and rashness could chalk out and some out of prejudice or an evil passion which blinds them and makes them abuse the timorousness and credulity of all they can to lessen your esteem and your dependencies all they are able My Lord these are thoughts which more and more trouble me dayly because I have dayly new occasions to reflect on them And therefore would no longer but give them your Excellence even in this method and in writing that they might take the deeper impression as very much concerning you since your own welfare and the Kings and the peoples in my judgment very much depends on a good esteem of so great a Minister as your great deserts have made you But withall My Lord I will give your excellence my most earnest and most humble desires that you delay no longer than shall be necessary to clear these clouds of darkness and clear them in this present conjuncture by an effectual demonstration of that justice and favour you intended the Catholicks of Ireland in your Articles of 48. when they so freely put themselves and their power into your hands I am not ignorant that some have after transgressed in a high nature But you know my Lord there are many thousands of Protestants in the three Kingdomes who have been far more hainously criminal both against his Majesty and against his Father of blessed Memory and who have contributed or intended as little for bringing home his Majesty as the most wickedly principled of the Roman Confederates of Ireland And we all know my Lord that all the Protestants are not only pardoned except a very few of the most immediate Regicides but equalled in all capacities with his Majesties most faithful and approved subjects Yet if these unfortunate Catholick transgressors must be alone in this general Jubile of the three Nations held unworthy to rejoyce in the Kings restauration if they alone besides their most grievous and most unparallel'd sufferings under tyranny these eight or nine years past must anew suffer and yet a more heavy judgment under the most clement Prince on earth if they alone must experience all the rigour of his Lawes and judicatures for their offences after the peace of 48. which offences however criminal were not bloudy your Excellence may be nevertheless pleased to consider the Transplantation cannot be continued on any such account nor on any other which may stand either with those Articles or with the equity of the Lawes and much lesse with the justice of a Prince whom God hath restored to redeem the oppressed from the yoak of tyranny to lead captivity captive and give gifts to men And your Excellence may be further pleased to consider that the Corporations generally cannot be excluded on this account nor on any other may stand with his Majesties gracious concessions in these Articles Neither do I think there can be any reasons of State may accord with the dictates of a good conscience to exclude them I confess my Lord the undutifulness of some two or three peradventure deserved punishment and Limerick a severe one But this my Lord is long since inflicted by the hands of God and man The plague and famine the sword and gibber even by the power of tyrants destroyed them and reveng'd your quarrel though I am sure you are more divinely principled than to mind your own revenge on any Besides my Lord your Excellence knowes there have been very many faithful subjects in these towns even in the most crimina● of them My Lord you are more just than to involve the just in the punishment of the wicked God himself whose power cannot be limited by Laws would not punish the just not even when he was most incensed by the most criminal Cities that ever stood on earth He assured the prophet Jeremy that could he find one just man in all Jerusalem when most sinful and reprobate and by his revenging justice design'd for a ●eneral desolation he would single out that man from the wicked and ●ave him for so our translation reads nay for his sake be merciful to the whole City if your Translation be right When the crying sins of Sodom and Gomorrah forc'd open the flood-gates of heaven to power down those prodigious flames of fire and brimstone we read in Genesis yet would not the justice of God permit execution before he had put in a place of safety one just man that was found in Sodom And

which is yet more observable was further pleased to assure Abraham that he was so far from intending to involve the just in the destruction of the wicked that i● in these great places design'd for so great vengeance he could find but even ten just men he would for their sake pardon all the rest that is not Sodom alone but the five Cities and the whole Pentapolitane region annexed My Lord our gracious King hath in ●mitation of this mercy of God pardon'd for some just mens sake all the Protestant Cities of his Dominions And will he not pardon the miserable remainders of one poor Catholick Town or two or three at most if perhaps there be so many that have any way offended I am sure what ever their offence hath been it hath been these many years past sufficiently punish●d and hath been even of the most criminal incomparably less than what may be charged on most of all his Majesties Protestant Cities And I am sure there have been in the very worst of them and in the most disobedient more than fifty the greatest number Abraham proposed for mercy to Sodom just men I say to his Majesty and your Excellence then which you take no further cognizance of justice in this particular And what besides may render them unfit objects of the general mercy if not perhaps their Religion Which nevertheless being so Chrstian and allowed by Articles can be no exception Yet if notwithstanding all this the few and miserable Survivours and Heirs of the dead in the general desolation must suffer again and under his royal justice I beseech you my Lord Let not the Tables of Sylla and Marius let not their general proscriptions or confiscations be renewed on this occasion or affixed in the Courts and Judicatures of the Brittish Monarchy Let not these bright dayes of universal joy be rendred to the Irish Catholicks alone dark sad and dismal Nor let these dayes be infamously memorable to posterity for a distinction so unequal Even the greatest and worst of Delinquents amongst the Catholicks of Ireland even of those very Corporations or Cities that have been most refractory were so far from being Regicides or any way inclined unto them and only such and but very few of such because only some of the most immediate actors have been hitherto thought fit to be excluded a share in this joy that they have fought against them even to despair and fought against them when England and Scotland and the Protestants of Ireland wholly deserted the Royal cause and fought against them as well in defence of his Majesties rights as under the title of his Subjects till at last by long seiges and multitudes overpowred and through Gods unsearchable Judgments and their desertion by friends abroad and home divisions they lost themselves and their Country Nevertheless my Lord ●●● be it from my thoughts to desire the obstruction of any lawfull and honest course may be justly taken to secure the peace of that Country from rational dangers if any such can be in our dayes from the Catholick Natives What I humbly beg is That if these Catholicks must be alwayes so unfortunate as to be thought unworthy His Majesties Graces and Favours to Protestants that fought against him when they fought for him or of such as he vouchsafes even Presbyters Anabaptists Quakers Fift-monarchy-men Independents the greatest Enemies to regal power in some Tenets wherein the Roman Catholicks are the surest friends his Majesty may be at least graciously pleased to let them have the benefit of his Concessions articled with them And what I beg my Lord is that his Majesty not so much regard the power of our Adversaries as the Justice of our cause My Lord their power is no greater at this time than His Majesty is pleased to continue or make it There is a huge difference betwixt their influence on the meaner Officers and common Souldiers now and that it was in the time of the long Parliament or in the dayes of Tyranny and Anarchy In a word it will signifie a meer nothing if once uncommissioned by His Majesty and the common Souldiers payed However my Lord their power cannot be so dangerous as their unjust demands of byassed interest and pretended zeal if complyed withall by His Majesty and by a breach so notorious and so great of our Articles For besides that such proceedings would in all probability estrange the hearts of the Irish Catholicks from his Majesty and by a consequence of reason how strange soever this may appear at first sight kindle and raise in all judicious Protestants who have ever fought in any of his Dominions either against himself or against his Father even in the very Demanders how much soever blinded at present by proper interest perpetual Jealousies and distrusts of thei● own safety notwithstanding any Declaration from Breda or Acts of Westminster pass'd in this present Parliament they would which is most of all to be feared as the worst of evils and may Providence divert it in obstructing the cause turn the heart of God from our good Prince and bring his Judgments on him My Lord never or scarce ever did publick breach of publick faith escape very publick and very dreadfull Judgments even in this World I mean Histories profane and sacred are full of sad examples of both kinds And for the peoples breach our Irish Nation these fourteen years past so wonderfully scourged beyond almost all example for their breach of their first Articles those of fourty six with you my Lord will be recorded in after ages as one of the saddest But for a Princes transgression of this nature and Judgments following even such as are infallibly known to have been for this only cause inflicted and by God's own immediate execution for the greatest part and the rest by his good will and pleasure that of the 21. of the 2. of Samuel is pertinent and formidable The very first of faithfull Kings elected by Gods immediate ordinance anointed by God's immediate commandment appointed by him Ruler of his peculiar people and Champion on Earth of his Church against Infidels even this beloved of God for a time this dear darling of Heaven for some years ●o ●oone● attempted against Articles on the poor Gibeonites and their four Cities but those most fearfull and exemplar Judgments recorded by Samuel were decreed against him and for this very fact alone against his posterity and against the whole Kingdom of Israel Neither could all the miseries of his own life after nor the ignominy of his own death and of the best of his children which followed very soon nor the Army of God perishing with him by the swords of Idolaters expiate this publick breach of publick Articles Not although they were his own Subjects with whom he broke and not Subjects only but slaves born and by covenant nor slaves alone but Amorites whose Towns and Lands and fortunes had been the free gift of God to the Children of Israel in

that onely which makes the hopes of the Irish Papists to revive and spring That power is by the Irish Papists owned to be the only Legal one by which all our Laws and Liberties were cut up even by the very Roots Were the●e noth●ng but this to make them forfeit the Articles they so plead for it were but too much if this be their observance of their Recognition of his Majesty though the Pope may absolve them God will not Sure P. W. cannot prove any one of the Protestants whose whole number ●e so calumniates to be so criminal as I have proved even the Generality of the Irish Papists to be in this one particular I bate him many others And doubtless 't was a less sin the seduced Protestants to submit for a while to him who cast down those English Murtherers and helped them against these Irish Murtherers than readily to subject their Consciences lives and Fortunes to those Parricides yea to own them as their Secure Sanctuary for All and so pathetically to exult in their second usurpation 8. In the many forementioned passages both of the written and printed petition they presse for the Confirmation of the Transplantation and the benefit of the Rules for adjudging of Qualifications and make the granting thereof to be e●●ects of the RUMP'S Piety Justice and Compassion The Irish Papists are pleased to beg that Grant as an act of piety justice and compassion in the RUMP which his Sacred Majesty confirming and much more to the advantage of the Irish P. W. calls an Injustice And in the 6. and 7. Paragraphs of the said written petition they set forth that several of the Petitioners are able to make appear their constant good affection and adherence to the Commonwealth that some have already actually done it And in effect That the number of those so adhering and of constant good affection to the Commonwealth was so great that they sue even for a longer time than had been allowed for the proving thereof they being so many that they were streightned in time to make out that truth There are other clear observations and inferences which I could make out of those two petitions which I decline enough having been said to evince what I promised to prove upon this Head and I have much behind to answer to which I hasten The Guilt of the Coporations in part instanced The 2. special Case concerns the Irish Corporations which P. W. with his usual confidence determines cannot be excluded on any account that may stand with his Majesties Gracious Concessions nor can there be any reasons of State which may accord with a good Conscience to exclude them yet he confesseth with a peradventure That two or three of them deserved punishment and Limerick a severe one The Corporations of Ireland that P. W. mentions were so notoriously guilty in overthrowing the foundation of that peace wrested from his Majesty that it seems strange how any one can be found to plead for them especially to his Grace the Duke of Ormond who knows their actings Their Education rendered them most able of any to know their duty their Incorporation most capable of any to deliberate concerning their duty their Fortifications and men most secure to discharge their duty yet these above all other persons and places put forth with greatest Arguments of Choice and Freedom the highest acts of Treachery and Rebellion The evidences whereof amount to much more than P. W.'s peradventure and the Subject reacheth much farther than P. W's two or three Corporations it being the general practise of all such into which his Majesties L. Lieutenant desired admission P. W. confesseth That Limerick deserved a severe ●●nishment and certainly the demerit must be great which extorts this Confession even from their Advocate nor was their Crime less than laesae Majestatis for they insolently opposed the admission of his Majesties Viceroy though 1. their Maior had invited him 2. Iretons storm threatned their wrack 3. the L. Lieutenant offered to steer that Vessel and to adventure his person and Fortune in the same bottome with them But surely if Limerick deserves many stripes Gallway and Waterford proportionally to their crimes deserve more Gallway after the Articles of 1648. so much and groundlesly pleaded 1. searched to use his Graces own words with force and armes for the L. Lievtenant as if they judged him a Traitor 2. They treated with the Duke of Lorrain to be Protector of Ireland as if they judged themselves Lords of all 3. They refused to admit any Garrison commissionated by his Majestie 's authority and surrendred that Town as if they esteem'd themselves a Free State without consulting the Marquess of Claurickard then L. Deputy though resident within few miles thereof and though he were of P. W's own Nation and Religion But I will not say that even those double Tyes were less powerfull to beget a respect for him than his representing the Kings person and his own worth were incitements to P. W's Countreymen so highly to affront him Waterford likewise after those Articles of 1648. deny'd a passage to the L. Lieutenant and his Army though at that time his Lordship was strengthened with the conjunction of the Vlster Forces in pursuit of the Enemy who were weakned by a long Winter March Multiplicity of Garrisons want of necessaries and sickness of the Souldiers nay offered himself to become an hostage and to commit the Army to anothers conduct yea so horrid was their perfidie that when afterwards the L. Lieutenant and seven more were occasionally received into that City the Citizens combin'd either to take away his life or deliver him up prisoner to the Usurpers for the prevention whereof he was forc'd suddenly and secretly to withdraw thence What falsehood will P. W. be affraid to suggest to Strangers what wickedness will he be affraid to patronize at home when he shall dare thus to assert to the L. Lieutenant himself and publish it in print to the world That no reasons of State can accord with the dictates of a good Conscience to exclude these Corporations from the future capacity of repeating such signal acts of Rebellion But P. W. as farther motives of favour to the said Corporations addes and sayes 1 The hand of God hath punished them 2. Some were faithfull among them 3. The English Protestants are more criminal First The hand of God hath punished them But that the Magistrate should spare because God punishes is a non sequitur Though the Lord sent Hornets before Israel to drive out the Hivite and the Can●a●ite and the Hittites yet he commands Israel to destroy those Nations and their name from under Heaven 2. P. W. sayes There have been many faithfull Subjects in those Towns even in the most criminal of them and God was so f●r from involving the just in the destruction of the wicked Sodomites that if he could find there but ten just men be would for their sake pardon all the rest 1.