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A90443	The people and souldiers observations, on the Scotch message to the Parliament, concerning the King; 5. of November 1647. By the scope whereof, all who will be satisfied with reason, or with mens practices more then their words, may have full resolution to this more usuall then doubtfull question : whether the King, Lords, Commons, Scotts, City, clergy, and officers of the Army, have sought more their own private ends then the publick weale of this nation?		1647 (1647)	Wing P1441; Thomason E416_34; Thomason E421_12; Thomason E464_6; ESTC R203132	10,669	16

THE PEOPLE AND SOVLDIERS OBSERVATIONS ON THE SCOTCH MESSAGE TO THE PARLIAMENT CONCERNing the KING 5. of November 1647. By the scope whereof all who will be satisfied with Reason or with mens practices more then their words may have full resolution to this more usuall then doubtfull Question Whether the King Lords Commons Scotts City Clergy and Officers of the Army have sought more their own private ends then the publick weale of this Nation The words of the Message here follow in order Right Honourable AS upon the removal of his Majesty from Holdenby against his will by a party of the Army under the command of Sir Shomas Fairfax we expressed our sense and the resentment of the Kingdome of Scotland of that violent action so the Committee of Estates of the Parliament of Scotland finding that his Majesty is still kept within the power of that Army thought themselves obliged to indeavour to know the certainty of His condition in obedience to his commands wee have applied our selves to His Majesty that from himselfe we might know the truth thereof who was pleased to shew us his usage ever since he came from New-castle but for his present condition he really confesseth he cannot but referres us to know it from the two Houses of Parliament and the Army Dear Brethren wee may well say here yee expresse in very patheticall words the tendernesse of our affections towards this forlorne successour of all the numerous race of your tyrannicall Kings of which many not being a tenth part so wicked as this yee have rewarded otherwise it is a wonder that such high minded people as ye can so undervalue your selves as still and alwaies to stoop your stiffe necks rather to the heavy manarchiall yoake of cruell tyrants then to pitty and free both your selves and your posterities from all kind of slavery and misery having now a fairer occasion and more precious opportunity then ever yee had heretofore or may possibly ever have hereafter If yee were as just in your practices as yee are wise in your conceits yee would have long a-goe either alone when he was under your power or since by advice and assistance of our Parliament and Army rather called him to a strict account impeached him of most high treason and arraigned him for all his great abominations oppressions murthers and destructions throughout all these three bleeding Nations even from the death of his Father untill he was catched in the midst of his sins ripe enough for the sickle of Gods judgements then anywise to be so zealously affected and tender hearted concerning his usage since yee delivered him at New-Castle and how he hath learned the lesson of obedience to the Armies commands now after he hath forfeited his authority and lost his tyrannicall sting Certainly it may well be deemed by his usuall double-dealing that if he had you once more under his arbitrary power as the Army hath justly both taken and kept him all this time untill now that he was conveied away to act more mischief he would so remember your taking up armes though in your owne defence against him and his forces both at home and here for all that is come and gone and notwithstanding all your kindnesse and tender care now of him he would teach you perfectly to know what he meaned and intended when he both proclaimed you all Rebels and Traitors and levied such strong forces by Sea and Land against you and all for your refusing his popish Service-book But it seemeth that yee especially unto whom he hath either given or promised great offices and honourable titles have so well learned some new court lessons that yee have quite forgotten your good old fashions even to esteem of Kings as of other mortall men and not to idolize them nor hide their haynous faults as most of our vulgar fort havetoo long foolishly done even to our gaeat griefe and both their and our vexation yea yee had rather like the men of Lys●ra who in their blind and supersticious zealo both called Barnabas Jupiter and Paul Mercurius and would have offered sacrifice to them if those Appostles had not interrupted them then anywise like discreet men who should diseerne between those who ought to be honoured and respected and such as deserve to be tryed and punished Have yee so soon forgotten how he made the best and greatest of you not only know the newes but feel the smart that his little finger was heavier then his Fathers loynes wereof too many of us want not enough of such experience also and that by all kind of oruell oppressions in things both spirituall and temporall heavy taxations persecutions and neither hearing nor regarding petitions but imprisoning banishing exiling yea and intending to execute your own grand Commissioner whom he hath since preferred to be your Chancella upon what termes they two best know never observing any agreement performing any promise nor regarding either saith truth or justice more to you then us but all in hypocisie deceit and King-craft alwaies acting and prosecuting what his Father devised and contrived even by plotting conspiring and all sort of Machivelian dealing to extirpate root-out undermine and destroy as well all kind of goodness faithfulness and justice as good peaceable and true hearted people A few instances may suffice because not only the sight of a great parte thereof is still so cleare before our eyes but the smart of all is yet so recent and fresh in our memories and apprehensions howsoever ye like unthrifty Schollers have rubbed and worn both all the remembrance of your lessons marks of your stripes out of your minds from off your backs with high titles great offices new promises and lofty hopes Have yee likewise rubbed out of your memories all his cheating of you by meanes of Henderson the great at first one of your high Priests and next one of his Chaplins of all his royall performance of that agreement which he made wtth you at Dunce-law and you surrendring to him of Edenburgh-Castle and his planting therein both a number of our Country Papists and aboundance of our ammunition by which instruments and meanes he made many of you so sight sob weep and groane yea and leave Edenburgh town that yee were ready to curse both the day of that agreement and the birth-day of all those that had any hand in it Have ye also forgotten how by his means our Country Papists blew up with a train of gunpowder a Castle full of your Nobility gentry and Ladies in the aire neare Barwick where your Generall narrowly escaped And do ye not remember how in your last Parliament when he was present that the one day he gave you as it were a purse full of gold and jewels in the one hand even all and whatsoever yee desired or at least required but in the other hand a Scottish-dagger whereby he would have killed and devoured you all before yee was aware For at his own palace did he

King Saul and therefore except hee repent as God gave that wicked King in his anger to Israell and tooke him away in his wrath so doubtlesse he gave and will take your King whom yee still both respect and endevour to excuse and defend in all his most hainous Sins Abominations Murthers Injustices Tyranies and oppressions far exceeding either Saul Jeroboam Ahab Ahaz or Ammon if not all of them Yet notwithstanding all this yee like wise merchants who take and keep all advantages against unskilfull customers still hould so fast and stick so closse to your bargain which yee made with our corrupt Parliament when yee saw them in such a straight that they were in feare and danger of both their lives and estates by his wicked meanes and their owne unjust dealings and that even besides your hyre and wages yee by the device meanes and assistance of the chiefest incendiaries of all these bloodie warres even your ambitions covetous and pernitious Clergy confederating with ours most unjustly procured your deceitfull Covenant to be both taken by our Parliament and forced upon the whole Nation and consequently your humane religion under the colour of reformation though it passeth the limits and bounds of all their Commissions or abilities seing thereunto they never had the consent of the free people of this Nation who both chused and trusted them yea and are like to bee called to an exact and strict account by them both for these and many hundreds more of other wrongs treacheries and acts of Injustice especially in that they would not call him to an account for all his tirranny and wickednesse exercised over the free people of this Nation since the begining of his Raigne nor deale with him according to his deserts neither before these warres began nor when they began nor yet ever since they have beene though they might oftentimes and so to haue prevented both the effusion of much blood and the destruction wasting of manifold treasures and estates And howsoever yee Commissionars in pursuance of the trust commited to you by those that sent you will make your adresse only to our Parliament conceiving it nedlesse to apply your selves to the army who ye suppose are and ought to bee under the Parliaments command yet yee are to consider that the Parliament are but the Commons of Englands servants as well as the Army as yee know Prophets and Priests of ould or Bishops and Ministers of late are not superiours to Kings in temporall matters at least though they be imployed by the people to put the Croun on their heads and take their Oaths for the faithfull discharging of their Offices yea and in regard our Parliament have run themselves over head and eares into so manifould gulfes of injustice that they nither deserve the title nor respect which is due to a Just discreete faithfull and carefull Parliament and and therefore they now lye as it were prostrate on their knees as well at the mercie of the Commons of England as your good King doth at this present so that all their subtile propositions treaties with him nor yet the City Clergy nor corrupt Officers of the Army to help them will neither availe nor prevent the fearfull Interrogatories which possibly and speedily may be demanded of either then ye will have ocasion to take up such a mourning and lamentation for your good King who hath so advanced your glorious Reformation as both Jerem. the Prophet and all Judah with the singing women did for the death of good King Josiah in the Valley of Megiddo Mess The Kingdome af Scotland finding that their stability and happinesse doth so much depend upon the safety and preservation of his Majesties royall person c. Obser Now yee having both expressed your owne fervent desires and sincere affections towards your good King have also endevoured to make our Parliament and Nation doe the like yee come in the third place to shew the cause of all this great businesse namly whereupon your stability and happyness doth so much depend which yee attribute to The safety and preservation of his Majesties royall person It is a wonder that yee should either bee so ignorant or void of shame as to expresse so impudently and evidently such vile untruths flatteries and contrarieties even against both your owne experiences understandings and consciences chiefly in these late and sad dayes both of your affliction and ours which yee well know hath been all by his meanes being a most cruell scourge to plague both you and us for all our hainous sins as Nebucadnezar was in punishing Israell for theirs and therefore yee upon that sandy ground of your owne humours and conceits doe run the hazzard of the following resolution Mess And being resolved that no alteration of affaires shall ever separate them from that duty allegiance they ow unto him nor from their constant resolvtions to live in all loyalty and obedience under his government have often shewne their earnest desires and contributed their utmost endevours towards the composure of these unhappy differences Ob. Here yee would say if dissimulation would permit you no wickednesse oppression nor tyranny that he and all his hellish Cavaliers bloudy papists prophane Countiers flattering favorits and domineering Bishops can commit shall ever separate you from the performance of that duty of Allegiance ye owe unto him and constant resolusion yee have to live in all loyalty and obedience under his government and that yee have been very active towards the composure of these unhappy differences All which words may perhaps feed the fancy of the simple and ignorant multitude who are alwaies ready to be deluded by such meanes but they will never savour nor smell of any goodnesse justice nor integrity to any impartiall discreet or judicious men because they proceed either of very weake or corrupt principles of a slavish disposition or blind affection without either sense reason due or true satisfaction though yee make him as it were your joy and your Crowne Mess And the Houses of Parliament having by their Votes of the 26th of Oct. last intimated to us their resolusions to apply themselves to his Majesty and that they are preparing Propositions to be tendred to him Wee doe desire that they may be expedited and communicated to us that according to our many engagements and relations there may be still a conjunction of councels in those things that are for the common peace ond joynt interests of both Kingdomes And for the better asserting of them for clearing his Majesties doubts and for the giving and receiving muturall satisfaction Wee doe desire in the name of the Kingdome of Scotland that there may be a personall Treaty with the King as the best and rediest meanes to obtaine the joynt desires of both Kingdoms And for that effect that the King may bee invited to come to London with that honour freedom and respect due to his Majesty or at least remaine at Hampton-Court and not under the

power and constraint of Souldiers where both Kingdomes may make their free applications to him without any danger of such stop or affront as hath been alredy commited against a Commissioner of Scotland and for which no reparation hath bin made and that his Majestie bee no more carried about with the Army at their pleasures c. Here is still a continued course of great businesses as well now after as it was throughout all the warres of addressing of Parliaments and states as well English as Scots by Propositions to be tendred to him with all expedition and communicated to you for unity and peace sake as if judges should present petitions and offer conditions of peace unto such malefactors as stand guilty at their Bar. 2. Ob. And for the better c. Here is a great deale of stuffe to little purpose truly it is a pitty yee were not as discreet as yee would appear to be by meanes of your Priestly generation yee are still of such a strange disposition that although yee doe resort to all Nations your selves yet yee will permit none to dwell among you who are more able or better principled then your selves and might possibly instruct you both in spirituall and temporall freedomes better then all your teachers and Lawyers witnesse your hard usage from time to time chiefly in the first three yeares of your late troubles what numbers of our people resorted amongst you thinking there had been some hopes to have made you a free-principled discreet and absolute free people and not to be carried away neither by wicked Kings nor time-serving Priests but some of our people as well as your owne had imprisoning instead of reasoning and both of them bad entertainment for endeavouring your good And concerning the Kings coming to London doe yee not know he may come thither with that honour freedome and respect which is due unto him and yet with little content either to himselfe or to you Yee make so much of a dissembling Absolon a cruell murderer and bloudy tyrant as wee have great cause to be jealous that yee have left your first love which yee appeared to have and that yee have not such a measure of discretion as to discerne between good and evill nor between those that lash whip and scourge you yea and both makes you gather straw and performe your whole task of bricks too and those who tell you the truth for your present and future good yee both persecute even with a deadly hatrered and indeavour more to force your Religion by the sword then anywise to convince by the word so that if neither sword nor pestilence can humble you God hath both famine and other judgements which doubtlesse will doe it Mess These we conceive to be the most probable and effectuall meanes for attaining a happy peace settling of Religion restoring his Majesty to his just Rights and continuing and strengthening a good understanding betwixt these Kingdomes which are most earnestly desired by the Kingdome of Scotland and shall bee constantly and faithfully endevoured by c. Obs If ye conceive that these corrupt courses which so tend to justifie the wicked and condeme the just are the most probable effectuall meanes for obtaining these your ends yea and being so contrary to your just protestations against his proclaimations your takeing up armes against his forces wee desire that yee would either shew how this can bee possible or how this your great and suddain change cometh or else acknowledge your errour herein seeing there is neither any beginning nor appearance of repentance in him notwithstanding all his deceitfull Protestations and bloudy warres in all the three Nations otherwise ye will both incurre blame and come short of obtaining a happy peace restoring him to his just rights and both continuing and strengthening a good understanding between these Nations though it be never so much both desired by you and endeavoured by your Commissioners in your behalfe But supposing yee cannot shew how such a thing is possible we will endeavour therefore to shew you how farre yee have both changed your minds in our apprehensions degenerated from the perfect rules of equity and justice in two years time that ye may learn to lay a more solid foundation where upon to build your stability happines then on the sandy foundation of the safety preservation of a wicked mans person though of never so great a majesty royalty as yee say and by such corrupt flattering and deceit full meanes yea and unjust tearmes and titles to justifie and protect him in all his wickednes both against your selves and us wee send you back againe to read and consider once more your own generall assemblies Remonstrance published to the view of the world June 12. 1645. Chiefly page 3. line 16 17 18 19. and page 5. line 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23. and page 6. l. 19 20 21 22. The words are these When wee call to mind that God accepteth not the persons of men and that the greatest are not to be winked at in their sinnes wee make bold to warne your Majesty freely that the guilt which cleaveth fast to your Majesty and to your Throne is such as whatsoever flattering preachers or unfaithfull councellers may say to the contrary if not timely prevented cannot but involve your selfe and your posterity under the wrath of the ever-living God for your being guilty of the shedding of the bloud of many thousands of your Majesties best subjects and for what other causes your Majesty is most conscious and may best judge and search your own conscience● Now having paraleld your present practices with your former judgements even of late dayes whereof at first wee esteemed more highly then either then or since howbeit it doth now clearly appear that ye have not been sound at all howsoever wee as all Christians ought to take every thing ' in the best or most charitable sense untill time discover mens intentions by their actions according to our Saviours rule to know the Tree by the fruit for instance it appears plainly to us now even by your practices ever since that in your little Book called Your lawfulnesse of comming into Eng a ad Reas 6th Yee have either a bloudy or at the best a compulsive intention to root out or at least to compell all of what soever degree estate or condition to be one with you in Religion by which unjust resolutions do ye not presume above what is meet and even usurp the worke both of Gods word and Spirit If this kind of dealing be any-wise a doing as yee would be done unto we referre it both to your afore-said declaratian and to your owne consciences for if yee would not bee pleased that any person or state should urge and beat you from your Religion why then dare yee presume to urge or beate either us from ours or any others from theirs but still to doe as yee would be done unto for whatsoever measure ye give the like ye shall receive And have yee forgoten is it so out of your minds that yee began all these bloody warres against your good King in the very same quarrell was it not because it was his Majesties Royall and gracious pleasure to compell you to serve God by his Bishopes and Popish booke otherwise then yee were perswaded or at least accustomed And if so which ye cannot yet deny because it can be so aboundantly proved why then will yee be so arrogant and wicked as still to prosecute such an un-godly attempt and persecute honest and peaceable people but rather to learne of Christ to hee meeke humble and lowly endevouring alwayes to convince by the word but never to force by the sword Again it cannot be denied but even thankfully remembred that ye not only lent us your helping hand even a powerfull army whereby yee forced a Parliament to be called among us when our King made it no lesse then treason to mention a Parliament being then in the highest of his norman tyranny and malice against our birth-rights and liberties but likewise yee continued your army a whole yeare with us untill yee set us in a right Parliamentary posture and saw both wicked men punished and just men advanced before yee departed yea and yee went all away with as great honour credit and respect as we suppose such a great army in any forraigne Nation ever did Upon which ground and that yee have been alwaies estemed a valiant people and an unconquered Nation howsoever yee be in bondage to your Kings and did carry your selves wisely in all the particulars of your owne defence against the Kings power and forces we called you into our Nation with an army to help and assist us against the King and in the first place yee took in New Castle againe from his forces and sent us Coles both of your owne and from thence for our moneyes when many had begun to burne bed-steeds and tables above the space of too yeares for want thereof But herein was your failing yee began and ran well but who did let you that ye would not goe on to the end of your races why would ye not be as carefull to assist our forces and discharge your owne duties in all other places and services since as ye were to exact your arreares and so to have made a speedier end of these warres Howsoever upon this view of mutuall duties and favours thus given and received it is our earnest desire for a better union betwen us then either such a Covenant or kind of religion can make that there may bee no further pursuance of us in a coercive way unto either more then we indevour against you in what we professe or practice but that LOVE which is the greatest Commandement of all may begin and encrease again betwen us as brethren friends and neighbours so continue throughout all generations FINIS