what Letter was sent to the Parliament after the battel at Marston-moor by the Generals Which you conceive to be the cause of the alterations A terrible disgrace to the Parliament as if the Parliament were moved in the least by the London Remonstrance drest at Worcester house This you say might have been prevented if the Parliament at first framing the new Model had hearkened to the advice of taking the covenant c. It 's true then there had been an Army that would not have subdued Englands enemies probably in one and twenty years and the Kingdom must have been subject all this while to plunder mens wives and daughters subject to the same condition as they were in the North. But the Proposition for London is left out in which formeerly it was ordained that they have their Militia in their own hands also the Tower and that their Militia go not out of the City but by their consent also an Act of Parliament for confirming their Charters Customs Liberties c. And an Act that all By-laws be as firm as an Act of Parliament with power to repeal them as they please and for good service done by Parliament For London these times give it over-great to be ruled either by King or Parliament and so reason bids no addition The people that govern in it in regard their skill is chiefly in getting money have little understanding in any thing else especially the Ancients in whom rule is and therefore subject to run several ways in a week therefore very unfit to manage weapons and most unfit to have charge of the Tower where all weapons are For Charter Priviledges c they have often been confirmed and if now forfeited as sure not the Act of oblivion puts in old State As for their By-laws being as good as an Act of Parliament if it were granted London would be undone for example all Acts done in Common-Councel relating to London are By-Laws no Acts of Parliament Put case they give Fifty Subsidies to Parliament To repair of Pauls To make a new Line of Communication And then give as much more to pull it down should they agree that their Militia that is the Train Bands or Housekeepers go to Newcastle or farther in arms and all these binding a man had better be a slave in Turkey then a free Citizen of London A hundred other instances might be given As for power of repealing there 's no danger if the making binde not Let it be considered what a brave City London would be if a company of Shoe-makers Taylors Chandlers Bricklayers Plaisterers and such like men who generally can neither write nor read shall be able to make Laws as good as if by King Lords and Commons agreed unto what will become of London and where is His Majesties Negative voyce or the Lords and Commons a Cobler of London is a brave man indeed As to the Court of Wards there seems to be no difference His Majesty is willing to part with it upon consideration and the Parliament is willing to give it For Deans and Chapters Lands intended for augmentation of means for ministers you wish it so To settle One hundred pounds a year and no more for every Minister and dividing the Parishes as equal as possible will do well but why the Ox should eat of any mans corn but his he treads out seems irregular There is one thing more that is The Bill for the Militia sent to the King gives power to put Soldiers into the Town of Barwick contrary to the large Treaty The words are no more but these That His Majesty consent that the Militia of the Kingdom of England and Dominion of Wales and Town of Barwick also the Island of Garnsey and Jersey be in the hands of Parliament the reason of the naming Barwick being not for putting Soldiers in but because that Town is reckoned a part of Scotland and so named being not comprehended in England as is not Wales Garnsey and Jersey whence see how easie it is for discontent to finde fault where none is Somewhat might be added as to the late Dissent presented to His Majesty whose fore-goer was a Trumpet Truly your love is kindely taken and sure will be by England but the Trumpet cannot be terrible Your Dissent in matters of Religion is allowed you by Instructions but for the glory of the King you are required an endeavor and no more But to allow you the Dissent Consider whether this hath not been a means to keep His Majesty from consent and indeed it appears by His Majesties Answer that He is turned about thereby For whereas in one of His Messages He desires to give the Scots content apart now His main Objection putting Him upon refusal is your dissent and so you may be said to be the hinderers of a good Peace For let it be observed His Majesty gives no Reasons against the Bills onely in general they divest the Crown which for former failings in former Messages He was content to yield unto And so whereas His Majesty and the Commissioners of Scotland press that Argument or Reason may take place they now flie to they cannot agree or they dissent and there 's an end If any one had pleased to take this pains a little to undeceive the people this should have been willingly spared In that which the Parliament are to give in answer you will have things full and clear to all though it may be you may stay sometime in the mean time if this prove but a peparative to keep the mindes of men from being too much carried away with one story until they hear another it is all that is aimed at FINIS
AN ANSVVER To the chief or materiall Heads Passages in the late Declaration Called The DECLARATION of the Kingdome of SCOTLAND AND ANSVVER OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO BOTH HOVSES OF PARLIAMENT UPON The new PROPOSITIONS of Peace and the foure Bills Imprimatur Gilb. Mabbot LONDON Printed for Robert White Ian. 4. 1648. AN ANSVVER To the chief or materiall Heads Passages in the late Declaration called The DECLARATION of the Kingdome of SCOTLAND c. THey say they have patiently indevored according to Covenant to settle Religion and happy peace by pressing the sending Propositions Their patience was seen when after they had fastened themselves in England they concurred not to subdue the power under his Majesties command nor take his Towns obvious to every common understanding and which they persisted in to the last and by that meanes prejudiced this Kingdome millions According to Covenant here 's their limitation The Covenant as Scriptures usually is expounded as the opinions of men are But why that should not be overmuch stood upon or kept over close unto Consider First it was made in Scotland when the Parliaments power was very low through the trechery of the Hothams revolt of Lords and Commons to the King and the absurd managing of the Parliaments war wherein the Scots Commanders had the chief stroke who knew how to make a little work goe a great way insomuch as Hurrâ—y then but an ordinary man cride shame of it Secondly it was that which our Commissioners would by no means have brought but could get no better Thirdly it is ambiguous and hard to be understood nay never yet ageeed as to the meaning an eminent Lawyer being asked whether he understood it when he tooke it answered no it being replied why then did he take it why said he they would have undone me else Fourthly it was forc't upon men a way profest against in Scotland to the ruining of many hundreds who other way were without exceptions both Ministers and Laymen Experience proved it crooked Conscientious men men of parts and great learning refusing it Fifthly it s conceived absurd and hypocritical to swear the preservation of the Kings person as a man when at same time a war is ingaged in against him and he known to be in the field subject to death by the bullet and sword Sixthly it never made man friend to the Parliament that was not so before Seventhly humane and so alterable Eigthly how hath it been observed by the founders except for their own ends with many more By sending Propositions That is as they like and such as made for the good of Scotland and Scots-men in England and for ruine and extirpation of those whom they hate who are just honest wise and pious men only differing in judgement and life from them and who have merited better then they in subduing the enemy the best way to a good and happy peace let what will be pretended otherways why agree they not to the Propositions now sent against which they have no exception but that they are not for the Scotch Interest which is to continue to reap the sweetnesse of England They offer the best way for a peace a Treaty at London And why at London because there are many discontented persons who will when his Majesty comes to London joyne to force the Parliament as they did lately and had done more had not the Army prevented The words of Mr. Hollis are considerable it never repented the King and his party that they fought against the Parl. but that they fought against London after the wars between King Subject King and he that put in to be King take the words of the story the overcomer never thought himselfe safe untill he was master of London and if he had London he car'd not for his enemies wirnesse Henry the seventh and many others so that it cannot be otherway in reason concluded but that they that are for his Majesties coming to London to treat are so far from a good and happy peace that they are for a new war for if they intend peace they will avoyd differences and reason will take place as well at South-hampton as London The Reason why a personall Treaty is best because first other means have been ineffectuall I have gone severall times in a rationall way about a businesse but it hath not succeeded therefore I will now goe in an irrationall But admit a Treaty sure it s not meant that his Majestie and the Parliament argue the business for then they will being so many be too hard for one if some of his and some of Parliament then it hath been before Secondly the Kings removall from Parliament hath been acknowledged the cause of the war The Kings removall as a good King was not for Kings have frequently been absent from Parliament the Kings coming as a good King intending peace cannot hurt but what appeares that his Majestie is other then when he went hence hath he not the same Counsell friends and takes he not the same wayes he ever said he was sorry for the miseries of his Subjects he saith no more now Thirdly but Commissioners on both sides may give Reasons Proper Commissioners that can give Reasons no where but at London nor no where but where and when his Majesty is at London or present Fourthly the King may have just desires to move for the Crown And God forbid but they should be considered and granted but when all that hath been done by his influence in England and Scotland since his Reigne shall be waied in the scales of Justice it will be little that will fall in for the Crowne in away of Justice said the Scots in generall when at beginning of their troubles they were for deposing him and his had not the next heir stuck with them and yet it cannot be denyed that what the Kings of England had formerly setting aside the calling dissolving and peremptory negative voyce in Parliaments there was nothing but would stand well with a Kingly or Monarchicall government and without prejudice to the people Fifthly It will beget mutuall confidence If the ends be the same otherway not after agreement it may not before love is from similitude those that differ are best asunder It cannot be expected his Majesty will grant whatever is sent him without discourse of or exception against Therefore the Parliament are willing to a personal Treaty for most things The Parliament will not give full power to their Commissionesr Nor will the Kingdome of Scotland to you nor have you any such nor is it fit you or theirs should Must all the Kings and Princes in Christendom meet at Munster because their Embassadors have not power to determine without first sending the Agreement to them as its made head by head excellent Scots reason But his presence will do hurt at London and make divisions it s objected and they answer it cannot be for he hath no Army It did upon the Scots at
Newcastle and before Or how come they to be his chief pleaders that were first fighters against him And had not that apprehension frighted he had gone into Scotland and not come this way when he was at Newcastle If they were esteemed enemies that drew him from Parliament What are they that hinder his return They that drew him away were occasions of a war therefore enemies and for that end did it The Parliament to prevent a war are not willing he come untill all is agreed and what is that comming to London What if there were no London cannot the King and Parliament agree Have Kings been so in love with London and Parliaments in times of peace King James counted the one his hell the other his purgatory But the new Propositions the foundation of Peace which concern Religion the interest of the Crown the Vnion and Joynt-concernment of both Kingdoms are not so well stated as in the old For first The Covenant is left out which is a solemn vow by creatures made to God The Covenant was entred into to bring a good peace now to stand upon it is to bring an ill War for the reasons before and because there is a generall adversnesse to the taking it more then against the matter of it It s the opinion of learned Perkins that Jeptha did not sacrifice his daughter but did that which was equivolent and better so may the Parliament The parts of which Covenant are in preservation and reformation of Religion Not the Scots Religion farther then against the common enemy and let any disturb them for it or go about to destroy it England will hazzard life and estate for them and their best blood No better quarrell to fight then when any will destroy others because not of their Religion For Reformation it is to be according to the word of God and best reformed Churches for the word of God that must be as the Parliament conceive for best reformed Churches what have you against that in the Netherlands where many different professions are tollerated Happinesse of the King As he is King of England sure the Parliament of England are as fit judges as the Parliament of Scotland is as he is King of Scotland and therefore may make their lawes for his happinesse as well as they in Scotland and so no need England be in ward to Scotland Peace and safety of the three Kingdomes The best way for that is to destroy and keep under the Common enemy to all and they that consider how the Scots prosecute the war in Ireland now and long since too much favouring the Rebels and at this time upon treaty with them to deliver vvhat they there hold the transactors on the Rebels side being Romish Clergy as by credible Intelligence is certified never having for years marched one foot or made one shot against them and how active with small help the English have been and victorious insomuch that had the Scots done what they could Ireland had in all likelyhood ben conquered by this time which had they as much minde unto as to subdue their enemies in Scotland would have appeared by the like activity and to pretend supplyes from England is idle they having all necessaries about them and growing rich As for England the third kingd how forward they have been al know is mentioned before The King is adverse to the Covenant is our obiection and why then take we so much liberty in other matters of God We take that liberty that in our judgement is according to the minde of God and dare maintain by Argument and Scripture that it is Consonant to both against whomsoever But the Covenant must be kept unto let the King be as adverse as he will because good for King and Kingdomes That is He must not be King of England Scotland or Ireland as to government unlesse he will take the Covenant and where is his reason or what he can say or his Commissioners in a personall Treaty allowed him in this Let an Angell come from heaven and say he must not take it yet unlesse he will he must not govern when they will reason must take place and when they will not then it must not So that what is good for Kingdoms in the opinion of Scotland may be stood upon though his Majesty and England Ireland have never so much reason against it But this must not be understood that his Majestie be kept in prison or wronged Truly for a King to be at liberty and not to governe can be no great content to see a mans wife and not to enjoy her to be hungry and see good food and not permitted to eat it is an unhappinesse rather then an happinesse the King undoubtedly were it put to him would rather choose to end his dayes in the Isle of Wight then to live in any outward contents in London or any of his houses divested of his Government Or that Armies should be kept on foot after the enemy is overcome to burthen the Kingdome or force the King to grant what they please Why keep you an Army on foot in Scotland having no enemy in field can there be no need of an Army to prevent an enemyes rising how many discontents are in England and Scotland what tampering is there between the Crown of France and Scotland at this time how are the people disposed unto insurrection occasioned by their present and future suffering the latter you cannot wash your hands off nor well of the present let England have assurance Scotland will not stirre up nor act new troubles the Parliament will undertake to reduce to as small a number as you shall in Scotland As for the Armies forcing the King to grant what they please its clear his Majestie being Judge the Army hath made as pleasing overtures for him as the Parliament of England or Scotland and for the burthen of England what is it to any other that the owner carryed his cow besides you know England can bear to maintaine an Army as well and as long as Scotland But you expected that when you departed the Army in England should be disbanded You meane the Independent part of it for sure you have not forgot that before the 11 Members went away long an Army of many thousand horse and foot was voted to be a standing Army for this Kingdome and Colonels named Governors of Towns appoynted and had they been of your party no doubt you would have stood for their continuance and excused the burthen and imposing upon his Majesty which now you cry out of but is it in any of the Treaties great or small or in the Covenant that England shall not keep an Army on foot without the approbation of the Commissioners or Kingdome of Scotland And not have taken the King away contrary to his will That he never yet said but if true the Parliament are proper Judges of that offence To whom the Parliament of both Kingdoms were to make
addresses And Scotland yet may but not of what they please Ambassadours sent from forreign States may be denied Audience and have by King Charles when their Ambassie may be prejudiciall yea if a King be King of two kingdomes there is little of reason that the one Kingdome shall have liberty to make addresses which in their opinion are destructive to them Suppose King Charles should offer to add to the Kingdome of Scotland the Counties of Northumberland Durham Cumberland and Westmerland as some of their own say he did Is it fit the Parliament permit such a transaction And had they not received assurance from the Parliament of the contrary all the allurements of the world and threatnings could not have made them part with the King untill all Armies had been disbanded For the Parliaments assurance certainly they never made any of this kinde it being not in their power nor should they have put the King in prison and laid him in chains nor could you have made good yours had you so done which was not agreed at his coming but the contrary You see his Majesty when he pleases can escape guards and for that way of allurements and threatnings sure none were made by Parliament nor doth it appear they were so zealous to have him but that it was as much your as their desire as for his return untill all was disbanded its probable the Parliament would not have much stood upon that nor would they were his Majesty with you And this they assert against all calumnies that their loyalty is more to them then all Loyalty is of a large extent admits of various interpretations a volume may be written in definition of it Scotland is famous for Loyalty and as famous for contending destroying dis-throning of their Kings what hath been foolishly said it had been better to have past by with scorn the Parliament never letting fall the least word to the contrary of your Loyalty But the Ordinance leaves out the sitting of the Assembly Not of Scotland but England What of that they have sate long An Army or a Kingdome of strange opinions indeed is brought forth not at all to their credit who have not laid any of them upon their backs by Argument nay declining it a way which was judged best in most times and places to make all men of a mind in matters of Religion and had their debates been more publick and admitted of objections no doubt the fruit had been better But must they sit always there peoples soules crie aloud for their returne and truly lines of communication are downe and they may passe that is all that have not got better livings within The Proposition of setling Religion in England and Ireland according to Covenant is not done but instead thereof a meere shadow of Presbyterian government without life or power The Covenant runs Setle Religion according to the word of God and best Reformed Churches this is expounded the Scots Presbytery which indeed was the word of God and best Reformed Churches in their drift the great stick is because there is not a coercive power to kill burne destroy imprison and ruine in life and estate all that are contrary minded or will not conforme thereto Because no power to compell therefore no life or power the Ministers profession and paines is dead unlesse he have a power to compell to conformity which never went with life and power since the beginning of the world But instead thereof Liberty is granted for all wayes of Worship and for exercise of any opinion that men shall have which opens a door to all blasphemy and contrary to Covenant It is not true that liberty is granted to all opinions nor doth granting some liberty open a way to blasphemy for you proffer to yield in some things What is Blasphemy and Idolatry punishable is disputable the Scripture seemes to make them both to be a casting off the worship of the true God and worshiping an Idol and sure the Parliament takes care to prevent that or will do As for its being contrary to agreement or Covenant it s not so conceived by Parliament but agreeable thereunto and sure there are none more fit to expound their Covenant then themselves as to themselves And this is true because it s Ordained that none shall be forced to the stablishment And is this grievous consider seriously Would you in Scotland have been content to have been forced to the Common-Prayer-Book when sent unto you by the King Would the French Protestants think well if they should be forc'd to Popery which is established by their supream Judge all the world whether there be much of reason or piety that a Prince may compell his people to be of his Religion or what he sets up and so its possible either by the minde of the Prince or by deaths three or four Alterations may be in twelve years as was in the dayes of Henry the eighth Edward the sixth Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth But ours is the true Religion therefore all are to be compelled unto it prove that it was given you immediately from God and spare not but if it were hammered out of the heads of an Assembly of Scots or English Divines there is no reason that compulsion should be used where infallability cannot be made good The Jews Christ his Apostles never compelled And whatever is pretended liberty is only intended To judge of intention is proper to God I the Lord trie the heart this cannot be meant of a Scotch lord Presbyterie is limited for a time The Parliament when they make Laws know not oftentimes how they will prove and therefore for tryall set a time not out of dislike or intent to alter but to prevent inconvenience which possible may fall by the experiment or perpetuating a Law at first Pardon England if they take not Presbyterie upon the bare recommendation of Scotland its possible we may therein as to persecution be out of the Frying-pan into the fire The Ministers are to exclude none from Saerament but what the houses think fit though against their consciences Why What a turning about is here now men must have liberty of conscience and must act in judgement and righteousnesse And is this allowed Presbyterian Ministers only shew us a place of Scripture or a good reason for this viz. That you should have liberty and others compelled The Parliament allows not in the Church the use of all Ordinances All that they think are Jure Divine and for other it s not good to put overmuch power into their hands untill they see how they will imploy a lesse tallent which if experience shews well its like they will have more men newly raised in nower grow so proud that no ground can hold them The Parliament◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 allowes many Sects that have been cast out informer time Look the History of the Churches and you will finde sometimes a Counsell threw out the next put in and the next after put out and
some part of it it was argued on both sides by a Committee of Parliament and learned Councel of the Kings and upon Debate the Kings Councel yielded and the King consented Bills or Acts of Parliament do not hinder His Majesty of making his exceptions These words His Majesty will advise These and many other you bring to prove His Majesties Negative ought to be allowed Him But do you mean that He shall say so and that is sufficient for shame do not urge it so for if after a Parliament hath been long in making Laws it may be for the support of the Being of the Kingdom and to prevent immediate Ruine and Destruction and while these Laws were making have spent the Kingdom many thousands shall His Majesty by the Advice of a Favorite dissolve the Parliament and say He will advise to what end are Parliaments they were as good never sit or Debate when such an answer shall blast all It s one thing to give Reasons against and another thing to blast good endeavors by saying I will but do nothing And in this case if the Kingdom stand in eminent and real need no doubt the Parliament may declare a Law and so Keeper Littleton said this Parliament That an Ordinance was good if His Majesty refused with I will advise and not do so And in protecting and defending His Subjects Sure the Parliament will not deal with His Majesty as the Egyptians did with the Israelites if they intreat Him to take again the Protection of them they will give Him wherewith Yet remember that Kings of England in their fullest Power could not raise Men or Money to defend themselves or Subjects without Parliament And all know that these two wanting it s a poor defence that can be made And though Kings who usually studied the weal of their People were permitted to make War and Peace as they saw cause yet it cannot be proved nor seems it reasonable the premises considered that de Jure the Militia was so in the King or Power of War and Peace as that he could do it without consent of the Parliament but that the People whom it chiefly concerned and who were like to undergo the miseries or good incident to them were asked and yet His Majesty in as full Power as any of the Kings of England Many a time it hath been said in Parliaments before this That the King could not go to War without consent of His Subjects and how often did Kings when they saw a necessity of War call Parliaments and communicate their desires and had consent from Parliament Which are the Essence and Being of all Kings and the chief part of their Duty and Function The main Conditions at the Coronation it s confest is to 〈…〉 but they are both according to Law 〈◊〉 the Militia you are content it be setled so as it may not 〈…〉 agreed but you would have His Majesty have it as to Foraig◠States and His Posterity after Him which to deny roots up the foundation of Monarchy If His Majesty have it as to any Affair how is it consistent with the Parliaments having it and may not a Power intended to one place be converted to another how often hath it and so presently a new Wat As for His Majesty no doubt the Parliament when they see Him so moved as that He is cordial for the Liberty of the Subject The Interest of Religion as agreed no doubt they will be apt again to repose in him and until he hath taken the Covenant if you remember the Negotiation with the Queen you are neither willing he have the Militia or any thing else For His Posterity you know how the Heir apparent hath acted where he is how he there acts and moves what assurance he hath given of acting better then his Father and is not the Parliament wise in being shie how they intrust their Life and Death and into whose Hands they put that Power As for rooting up the foundation of Monarchy it s but restricting it thereby to bring it to be consistent with the Peoples Liberty the stick that is crooked must be set for a time the contrary way or it will never be strait Yet you would not have Monarchy as high as Tyranny The Father would not have the Son take evil courses but yet gives way that he have the same allowance company place opportunity as before And you by no means can agree to an Armies being up in England now there 's no Enemy when some Garisons and the Train bands may do it and not an Army to inslave King and Subject Hath the Parliament of England taken any notice of what you in Scotland continue or disband you would fain have us naked once more that we might either be surprised by our Adversaries or need again your help For the Trained bands we have had experience of them and seen the miserable inconvenience in London and Countrey of taking housekeepers from Trade Wives Children and Servants and how many thousand have been thereby undone and how the Kingdom hath thereby been impoverished You are not ignorant that in other parts of the world the Plow and Trade pays the Soldier and that those who are not faln upon that fight but were these Trained bands Sectaries then by no means Trained bands would not do well As for the Armies inslaving King and Subject it s not so they are kept on foot that England may not be slave to King and Scotland When your Army returned into Scotland it was expected the Parliament disband this in England Was it sure it was not imagined England was so much fool somewhat hath been said to that before Farther thus Were there not an Army in England what think you would become of Presbytery let any reasonable man judge if it would stand a moneth and not be rooted out and the preachers and professors of it Do not think to deceive the world with words England in general loves Episcopacy better and Popery as well as Presbytery for in time of Episcopacy they had all things in plenty and good fellowship to boot who shall expect to enjoy Bishops Lands in lieu of their money you had if no Army when will the Parliaments debts be paid without an Army how will money be had to reduce Ireland without an Army You see an Army can hardly do these things but in spight of Parliament and Army Common-Prayer book and whatever is Episcopal enters openly and men refuse to pay any kinde of Taxes Therefore you declare that Propositions go for disbanding That is Sectaries that so an Army of Presbyters may come in the room and if you put it not so it s not as the Eleven Members would have nor according to the Compact with them and their Party And truly could Presbyters have been kept from being tampering with Royalists to patch up an unsound Accord its probable Sectaries had never been used so much and could such be had its like They might be with
content dismist And yet take this That an Army of Presbyters will not have that Antipothy and so not so secure for Presbyterian Government for if a little opposition should come our new Presbyters would choose to read the Common-Prayer book and so assure themselves of the hearts of their Parishioners the force whereof will be full Tythes Oblations and good Chear rather then want these Armies were raised For defence of the Kings Person Authority Religion and Priviledges of Parliament Are any of these so secure as there needs no power to defend them how many days is it since wrong hath been offered to all these And though other nations have need to continue Souldiers yet the sea is Englands and Scotlands bulwarks But there 's no sea about the Presbyterian pulpit the Royalists discontents and sufferings nor between England and Scotland though His Majesty be in an Island and beside there are ships to go between England and Scotland and France and Robert Write saith There are passengers come in them who frequent St. Germans and Fountain-blew And if we study Peace and Vnity between the Kingdoms under the Government of the King we need not fear Enemies abroad The way to it is not to offer to His Majesty a dissent in the name of the Kingdom of Scotland from what the PARLIAMENT of England thinks necessary for their safety and a good and lasting Peace It s a custom in other nations to keep Soldiers to raise money but the people of England and Scotland are a free people and why then should War be made a Trade among them Be assured of it as a truth the Army is so far from continuing onely to raise money that if the Parliament can be without them they will be willing to disband with reasonabler Arrears then you went out of England with and for the Kingdoms being free it will appear at last the Parliament and Army of England will be no inslavers at least of this to their credit and others shame as for war being made a trade it hath not been the custom of this nation nor of yours its true as a trade abroad you know how well Scotland hath driven it and truly to bend both Powers to restore Allies there 's no doubt England will hearken to as readily as Scotland and yet take care to reduce rebellious Ireland besides For a Proposition of Pay of Arrears and disband all in one Why you should so much affect Englands weal therein appears not because you are so opposite to their designs tending to an Accord besides if you mean after an agreement would you have His Majesty restored and forthwith His and His parties words taken that they will conform to all that is agreed and the Parliament have only the name of a Militia Titles of Honor you desire the King may not be hindered from bestowing or conferring it being a chief flower of the Crown But how shall the Parliament and so England be assured that none shall be honored who have not wherewith to maintain it but must put his Majesty upon unjust grounds to maintain that honor and whether his Majesty will not confer honors to the prejudice of the ancient Nobility of England and make so many Lords as may bring honor into disesteem That the Lords house may not be founded so as it will be King-trod against its own and the Kingdoms good For honors in Scotland let him give as many as he will so he gives not as formerly the wealth of England to maintain them And now thus much hath been said it will be no great digression to say That there seems to be reason that there should be no more Scotchmen about His Majesty as servants or preferred in England to any thing that expends the Revenue of England then there are English in Scotland and though there be a necessity that Scotchmen attend His Majesty as in relation to the affairs of Scotland yet there is no reason that Englands Revenue maintain them nor that English honor be bestowed upon them but that they wait what falls in Scotland All expressions of Joynt Interest in these Propositions are left out If the Parliament make them good they do well if nor God will be angry with them for to act against the true Interest of Kingdoms ever proves fatal and hath been the alone cause of the present condition of His Majestie Children and Party But there is left out of the Proposition that which joyntly concerns both and that contrary to agreement viz. That peace should not be made with the King without the consent of Scotland That there is a necessity of treating or debating Joyntly because an agreement is That no Peace shall be concluded but by mutual consent doth not follow The Princes of Christendom have had a long time you know a Treaty at Munster wherein each have treated apart yea and without the privity of other And those who have been in confederacy not to agree to Peace but by Joynt consent for have not each their several business distinct from the other as the French Dutch Sweads Hassians and others all in confederacy Now the Joynt Interest is of several natures and will take his proper place and you have the exceptions as any of the forementioned have but that the Parliament may not treat for their own particulars and forbear the other there 's no question all the question is how far a Joynt Interest obliges for they are alterable as you know well but in regard it is onely charged upon the Parliament to have left it out it may be after assumed The Parliament is obliged as they have declared to Ambassadors to set aside Episcopacy in England and hinder its coming again into Scotland And if they do not wo be to them for if they shall forget what slaves they were to the Lordly power of Prelates and what by that way they suffered and resetle any such like thing it were pity but they should be bored through the ears and so marked for eternal slaves And sure the rooting out of Episcopacy in England is enough alone to make good the Interest increase Union and perpetuate Amity The next blame is laid upon the Army for medling with the matter of Peace and proposals so much disliked and declared against by Parliament As for the Armies medling it was but to put the great wheels off the Scots Axeltrees and having as they conceive fixt them upon English they intend to let them alone hoping the Pins will keep them there but if they should go back its like they will make bold with them again onely with this distinction as Subjects not as Soldiers If the master hath got a cup too much of Scots ale the servant is not to be blamed if he takes him by the arm and leads him until he be recovered again and in his right minde yea though it be with giving a frown or two to those that made him to drink too much As for proposals remember