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A85729 Tvvo speeches, spoken in the honourable House of Commons. The first by Mr. Grimston Esquire: the second, by Sir Beniamin Rudiard. Concerning the differences between the Kings Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament. Grimston, Harbottle, Sir, 1603-1685.; Rudyerd, Benjamin, Sir, 1572-1658. 1643 (1643) Wing G2050; Thomason E94_7; ESTC R1630 2,530 8

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TVVO SPEECHES SPOKEN In the Honourable House of Commons THE FIRST BY Mr. Grimston Esquire THE SECOND BY Sir Beniamin Rudiard Concerning the Differences between the Kings Majesty and both Houses of PARLIAMENT LONDON Printed for H. Hutton 1643. Mr. Grimstons Speech IN The House of Commons concerning the distempers between the King and both Houses of Parliament Master Speaker I Would fain bring one stone to our building now in hand and it is but a caveat to the Master builders to beware of those who hinder the worke and pull down by night what is built up by day Master Speaker there are that speake loudly to the King and in agitating of all matters seem very tender of him but substances and semblances essences and apparences are opposite Multa Videntur quae non sunt these would make us believe that our redressing of some grievances is the pulling out of some flowers from the Crown and hereby they cast maine and intricate doubts wherewith to retard and perplex our proceedings and to lay an ill favoured imputation upon us as if we were regardlesse of our Gracious Soveraign and these good men the onely Battresses of his Royalty by this they endeavour to endeare themselves to the King for their own advancement to have him guided by their own Councels and to take off his affection from his best and most Loyall Subjects Assembled in Parliament Master Speaker The King and his Subjects are Relatives and we know that in Logicke ne lato sublato tollatur Correlatum they that disjoynt the King and his People doe neither better nor worse but doe their utmost to un-King him M. Speaker The King is the Parentthe Husband solemnly espoused at his Coronation the head of the Republike as it is with the natural parent Husband and Head So it is with the publike the naturall parent bestoweth on his Child protection and love with all his fruites the Child returneth him filiall reverence with all due respects and he that laboureth to breake this intercourse by possesseing the parent with an evill opinion of the Child is equally an enemy to both There is a sweet eccho of conjugall affections between the married and he that shall go about to interrupt it is a hater of them both and a subverter of their Family In the naturall body such is the connexion between it and the Head that a separation is destructive to both where as otherwise the head in the body being the seate of the vitalls and the brain in the Head of the Animall Spirits reciprocally communicating preserve the whole Our gratious Soveraigne is the common parent Husband and Head if therefore there shall be any found to be as undermining Pyoners envying to disaffect our parent to us to divorce us from this our Husband to divide us from our head My just motion is that upon a watchfull discovery whereon I would have every mans good intent they may receive the extremity of severity as they deserve and if any of them shall prove member of this House that the Furnace may be heated ten times hotter for betraying the trust reposed in them by their County that sent them hither A Speech spoken in the House of Commons by Sir BENIAMIN RUDYARD M. Speaker IN the way we are we have gone as far as words can carie us We have voted our own rights and the Kings Duty No doubt there is a Relative Duty between a King and Subjects Obedience from a Subject to a King Protection from a King to His People The present unhappy distance between His Majesty and the Parliament makes the whole Kingdome stand ama●●d in a fearfull expectation of dismall calamities to fall upon it It deeply and conscionably concerns this House to compose and settle these threatning ruining distractions M. Speaker I am touch'd I am pierc'd with an apprehension of the honour of the House and successe of this Parliament The best way to give stop to these desperate imminent mischiefs is to make a fair way for the Kings return hither it will likewise give best satisfaction to the people and will be our best justification M. Speaker That we may the better consider the condition we are now in let us set our selves three yeers back If any man then could have credibly told us that within three yeers the Queen shall be gone out of England into the Low-Countreys for any cause whatsoever The King shall remove from his Parliament from London to York declaring himself not to be s●fe here That there shall be a totall Rebellion in Ireland Such discords and distempers both in Church and State here as now we find certainly we should have trembled at the thought of it wherefore it is fit we should be sensible now we are in it On the other side if any man then could have credibly told us That within three yeers ye shall have a Parliament it would have been good Newes That ship-money shall be taken away by an Act of Parliament the reasons and grounds of it so rooted out as that neither it nor any thing like it can ever grow up again That Monopolies the High-Commission Court the Star-Chamber the Bishops Votes shall be taken away the Councell Table regulated and restrained the Forrests bounded and limited that ye shall have a trienniall Parliament and more then that a perpetuall Parliament which none shall have power to dissolve without yout selves we should have thought this a dream of happinesse yet now we are in the reall possession of it we do not enjoy it although His Majesty hath promised and published he will make all this good to us We stand chiefly upon further security whereas the very having of these things is a convenient faire security mutually securing one another there is more security offered even in this last Answer of the Kings by removing the personall Votes of Popish Lords by the better education of Papists children by supplying the defects of Lawes against Recusants besides what else may be enlarged and improved by a select Committee of both Houses named for that purpose Wherefore Sir let us beware we do not contend for such a hrzardous unsafe security as may endanger the losse of what we have already let us not thinke we have nothing because we have not all we desire and though we had yet we cannot make a Mathematicall security all humane caution is Susceptible of corruption and failing Gods providence will not be bound successe must be his he that observes the wind and rain shall neither sow nor reape if he can do nothing till he can secure the weather he will have but an ill harvest Master Speaker It now behoves us to call up all the wisdome we have about us for wee are at the very brinke of Combustion and Confusion If blood once more begin to toueh blood wee shall presently fall into a certain misery and must attend an uncertain successe God knowes when and God knowes what Every man here is bound in conscience to employ his uttermost endeavours to prevent the effusion of bloud blood is a crying Sinne it pollutes a land Let us save our Liberties and our Estates as wee may save our Souls too Now I have clearely delivered mine owne conscience I leave every man freely to his FINIS