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A20775 A discourse of the state ecclesiasticall of this kingdome, in relation to the civill Considered vnder three conclusions. With a digression discussing some ordinary exceptions against ecclesiasticall officers. By C.D. Downing, Calubyte, 1606-1644. 1632 (1632) STC 7156; ESTC S109839 68,091 106

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A DISCOVRS OF THE STATE ECCLESISTICALL OF THI Kingdome in relation to the Civill Considered vnder three CONCLUSION With a DIGRESSION discuss some ordinary Exceptions against Ecclesiasticall Officers By C. D. OXFORD Printed by WILLIAM TVRNER 1632. TO THE RIGHT HONOVRABLE WILLIAM EALRE Of Salisbury Viscount Cranburne Lord Cecyll of Esendon Knight of the most Illustrous order of the Garter and one of his Majesties most honourable Privie Councell MAY Jt please your honour to accept this present discourse as an acknowledgment of your Lordships favour toward your observant Chaplaine Calybute Downinge ERRATA PAge 8. marg for text read tit p. 15. marg Clayman r. Clapmar p. 17. l. 15. with state r. with the state p. 21. l. 28. sic stantibus r. exstantibus p. 35. l. 18. ordinar r. ordinario p. 39. l. 1. adde à farlo p. ib. Angliterra r. Anghtlterra p. 52. l. ib. 506. r. 56. p. 54. marg Hallandes affaires p. 55. l. 8. Common r. Cannon Law p. 57. l. 18. Conatus r. Canutus p. 59. marg Francum r. aerarium p. 67. l. 24. vacante prudentissimus r. vacante sèd prudentissimus p. 94. l. vlt. dele Othobone vpon CONCLVSION I. That the present State Ecclesiasticall is most convenient and best agreeing with the Civill WIth what care and cost States and Kingdomes which vphold and deriue all happinesse to man as he is a sociable and a feeble creature should be preserved none will deny especially since they are so subiect to decay and the causes of their corruptions so many Senec. 117. For the best tempered common-wealth is not of any constant continuance but full of changes and those at last will after much interchange driue it to a full and fatall period It must therefore be the care of the present age to see that it receiue no detriment while they are in it for they may be so orderly as to worke no distemper but conserue it in health and wealth or at least keepe it from decaying so fast that hauing some space to fall in it may recouer or they haue time to leaue it and not fall with it nor that fall vpon them Now the best and all that the passing present generation can doe is either to keep things in primitiue order or to reforme them to it The first of which is difficult to continue the other dangerous if long discontinued Yet Kingdomes must be conserued by the same meanes they were first established This labour and care then will be to best purpose bestowed vpon those parts which are most necessary and vphold the rest as essentiall and fundamentall being the principles of the intrinsicall Polybius hist lib. 6. originall good 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or vpon those that secure these 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Now that which is the only infallible ground of these must needs be principally respected by those that are vndertakers for the publick good and that ground is true religion For though ill manners are per accidens the cause or rather the occasion of making good lawes yet they are better in the executing best when they are obeyed Now good manners cause obedience and religion naturally begets good manners But religion cannot subsist without publicke exercise and action and so the requisites of it are times places and some persons who ought to be set apart and wholly and only employed in it and they must be in the common-wealth Therefore seeing it is necessary to haue a religion to preserue the common-wealth it is by consequent as needfull to haue preservers of religion that may not overturne the common-wealth by over-ruling religion Wherefore the choyse of them need to be such that seeing they must be in the common-wealth of necessity they may be of the common-wealth for vniversal safety And yet they are to be distinguished by state and order to avoyd confusion nor doth their distinction enforce any such forme after which they must governe as may be inconvenient to the publicke civill state wherby they are to be governed The care then of the wisest must be either to preserue or restore that forme of the Clergie which is most agreeing with the Civill State and that will be the meanes to prolong the age of the state by preserving concord amongst societies which though at last it come to an end yet it may out-last our dayes that we be not vnhappy in the ruine for it is not the infelicitie of States which haue long flourished to decay or be destroyed but the vnhappinesse of those men whose hap it is then to liue and not when they did flourish Now every form of a Clergie will not fit Guic hypor Poli● but according to divers countries they haue beene severall suiting to the times places and people The first was the originall domesticall discipline in private families before God made choyse and actually seperated a nation to himselfe Then followed the Leviticall Nationall regiment compounded and composed of and according to the ceremoniall and judiciall Lawes Both these formes were not onely by divine permission but also by injunction yet not perpetuall nor vniversall Neither of these then are the government wee must chuse because that manner of exercising religion is antiquated Wee must then consider of a forme which may be conformable to the present practise of true religion in relation to Gods revealed Will which may withall be suitable and sorting with this present state that so they may vphold each other which forme though it be not according to Gods expresse mandate in some particulars yet it is not against it but with his permission of approbation in all points Now in this choyce wee must consider our owne forme of Civill government and whether that were imposed vpon vs by conquest or by our owne consent if by free consent and of long continuance it will with more ease and desire be preserved and with greatest danger altered if by conquest the more Charters of priuiledges are granted to vs vnder it the more it is endeared to vs and esteemed happy but our forme of state is a free Monarchie erected and protected by free consent and of long continuance not imposed but confirmed and reformed to the first freedome by a happy conquest and endeered vnto vs by many Charters of wholsome priviledges Therefore we must seeke or keepe such a forme of state Ecclesiasticall as may best accord with our forme of Civill policie § 2. This present State Ecclesiasticall is the forme that best agrees with the Civill State That it is not against the Law of God I will not goe about to proue because I hope none will question it neither that it was the primitiue and should still be the government of the present visible Church because that is already proved without all contradiction by many most judicious and orthodoxe Divines But my vndertaking is as farre as God shall giue mee vnderstanding to discourse how it is most agreeable with this Kingdome All States haue alwayes endeavoured