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A35827 The journals of all the Parliaments during the reign of Queen Elizabeth both of the House of Lords and House of Commons / collected by Sir Simonds D'Ewes ... Knight and Baronet ; revised and published by Paul Bowes ..., Esq. D'Ewes, Simonds, Sir, 1602-1650.; Bowes, Paul, d. 1702. 1682 (1682) Wing D1250; ESTC R303 1,345,519 734

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Arthur Hall for his said offence And upon another Question it was resolved and Ordered in like manner that the same Fine should be five hundred Marks And upon another like question it was likewise resolved and Ordered that the said Arthur Hall should presently be removed severed and cut off from being any longer a Member of this House during the continuance of this present Parliament and that the Speaker by Authority from this House should direct a Warrant from this House to the Clerk of the Crown-Office in the Chancery for awarding of the Queens Majesties Writ to the Sheriff of the said County of Lincoln for a new Burgess to be returned into this present Parliament for the said Borough of Grantham in the lieu and stead of the said Arthur Hall so as before disabled any longer to be a Member of this House And upon another question it was also in like manner resolved and Ordered that the said Book and Libel was and should be holden deemed taken and adjudged to be for so much as doth concern the errors aforesaid condemned Which done the said Arthur Hall was brought in again to the Bar unto whom the Speaker in the name of the whole House pronounced the said Judgment in form aforesaid and so the Serjeant Commanded to take Charge of him and convey him to the said Prison of the Tower and to deliver him to the Lieutenant of the Tower by Warrant from this House to be directed and signed by the said Speaker for that purpose Vide concerning this matter on Saturday the 4 th day Monday the 6 th day and Wednesday the 8 th day of this instant February foregoing On Wednesday the 15 th day of February Four Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the third being the Bill for granting of one Subsidy two Fifteenths and Tenths was read the second time and Ordered to be ingrossed On Thursday the 16 th day of February the Bill against the Family of Love was read the second time and committed unto Sir Thomas Scott Sir William Moore Sir John Brockett M r Beale and others who were appointed to meet this Afternoon at two of the Clock in the Exchequer Chamber M r Vice-Chamberlain one of the Committees in the Bill for counterfeit Seals who were appointed on Thursday the 26 th day of January foregoing brought in the old Bill amended by the Committees and a new Bill drawn by the said Committees according to the same amendments whereupon the same new Bill was twice read and Ordered to be ingrossed The Bill for punishment of unlawful Marriages which was delivered to M r Doctor Dale and other Committees was this day brought in by M r Grimsditch one other of the Committees and a new Bill for that purpose made by the consent of the same Committees After sundry Speeches used against Sir Rowland Hayward one of the Committees in the Bill against Iron-Mills for an error by him done in preferring a new Bill for that purpose to the House not agreed upon by the more part of the residue of the Committees urging some infliction to be laid upon him or at least his Submission with an acknowledgment of his said error therein to the House it was upon a Motion made by M r Speaker and his Declaration of the Proceeding of the said Sir Rowland Hayward with him in the bringing in of the said latter Bill Ordered by the House that the matter of the said Prosecution should be no further dealt in or medled with as a thing of too small moment for this House to be troubled with or spend time in Three Bills also of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the last being the Bill for ratification of an award for certain Copyholders in the County of Worcester was read the third time and passed upon the Question The Calling of this House appointed to have been this Afternoon is for greater causes deferred till another time On Friday the 17 th day of February Five Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the fourth being the Bill for limitation of Formedon in the Descender and the fifth being the Bill against the excessive multitude of Attornies in the Court of Common-Pleas was read the second time and with the former committed unto both Masters of the Requests M r Lieutenant of the Tower Sir Thomas Sampoole M r Attorney of the Dutchy M r Sands M r Carleton M r Layton M r Grimpston M r Vaughan M r Dalton M r Boyes and M r Grimsditch and both the Bills were delivered to M r Doctor Dale Master of the Requests who with the rest was appointed to meet in the new Hall in the Temple at two of the Clock this Afternoon The Bill touching the Children of Aliens and Strangers was once more read with the former amendments and other amendments now presently inserted three times first read was passed upon the Question after many Arguments first had and made Francis Drake Esquire was Licensed this day by M r Speaker to depart for certain his necessary business in the service of her Majesty Francis Vaughan Esquire one of the Burgesses for the Borough of Wilton in the County of Wiltshire was this day Licensed by M r Speaker to be absent for his necessary business at the Assizes On Saturday the 14 th day of February Two Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill for the naturalizing of certain English mens Children born beyond the Seas was read the first time The Bill for the repealing of certain branches of certain Statutes touching the making of Woollen-Cloths and another Bill touching the Shipping of Cloths were each of them committed upon the first reading unto the former Committees for Cloths who were appointed on Saturday the 4 th day of this instant February foregoing The Bill for preservation of Pheasants and Partridges was read the second time and committed unto M r Chancellor of the Dutchy M r Knight Marshal Sir Thomas Cecil Sir Thomas Scott M r Beamond and others who were appointed to meet at M r Chancellors of the Dutchy at two of the Clock in the Afternoon upon Monday next The Bill for Gavelkind Land within the City of Chester was read the third time The four Bills last past before this present day were sent up to the Lords by M r Treasurer and others The Bill against unlawful Hunting of Conies was read the second time and after many Arguments rejected upon the question of ingrossing M r Chancellor of the Exchequer declared that the Committees appointed by this House to have Conference with the Lords touching the Bill for Religion have sundry times met together with their Lordships about the same Bill and that the same Bill is by the said Committees in some parts altered changed and amended and in some other parts abridged and some others added unto and so delivered in the same
Justice of the Common-Pleas having informed this House touching the State of the Record mentioned in the Bill for the Lord Zouch and the said Lord Zouch having been here likewise heard at the Bar and the said Record having been here seen and perused in this House and read by the Clerk it was resolved that Sir Thomas Sampoole Mr. Recorder of London Mr. Harrington Mr. Cromwell Mr. Lewkenor and Mr. Cowper do consider of the Decree heretofore made in the Chancery touching the said matter and of the Exemplification of the said Record and meet to Morrow Morning at seven of the Clock in the Forenoon in the Committee Chamber of this House and afterwards to make Report Vide touching this matter on Friday the 17 th day of this instant March following Mr. Treasurer touching the Committee yesterday with the Lords for the Bill of maintenance of the Borders against Scotland declared that their Lordships in the Conference yesterday seem'd to marvel much that their Lordships having first passed a Bill with them for the said purpose and sending it down to this House this House would without requiring further Conference with their Lordships take upon them to make a new Bill for the same matter and not proceed with the said Bill thereof which came from their Lordships And their Lordships thought this House ought not so to have done neither could well by Warrant of any former Precedents of this House And further that some of the said Committees of this House then answered unto their Lordships that this House had cause to do as they did and might likewise well so do Mr. Vice-Chamberlain very excellently setting forth the great benefits and blessings of God upon this Realm in the Godly most loving and careful Government and Ministry of her Majesty and withal the great earnest most faithful and dutiful zeal and obedience of this House unto her Highness no less in every particular Member of the same than is or can be in any other Subject of this Realm whosoever noble or other as hath and may well appear by them all in their Actions And also taking occasion of the Bill lately very gravely carefully and dutifully considered and dealt in by this House for the due care and preservation of her Majesties Honour Fame and Dignity but nevertheless dashed by the Lords in the Upper House and not in this House nor in the default of this House moved that this House would yet notwithstanding for many great and weighty respects by him most excellently amply and effectually and no less aptly declared proceed to some such course for due provision to the same end of the safety of her Highness Honour Fame and Dignity as by some of this House for that purpose to be selected shall seem meet to express and shew the faithful hearts careful love and dutiful obedience of such thankful Subjects unto so Gracious Provident and Merciful a Prince Whereupon were appointed all the Privy-Council being of this House M r Treasurer of the Chamber M r Knight Marshal M r Doctor Dile Master of the Requests Sir Thomas Sanpoole Sir William fitz William Sir William Moore Sir Thomas Shirley M r Recorder of London M r Sands M r Atkins M r Cowper M r Cromwell M r Norton Sir Henry Gate Sir George Turpin M r Wolley M r Beale M r Thomson M r Crooke M r Nicholas S t Leger M r Vincent Skinner M r Pister Mr. Edward Lewkenor Mr. Diggs Mr. Dalton and Mr. Alford to meet in the Exchequer Chamber between one and two of the Clock this Afternoon to confer for the drawing of a Bill against to Morrow Morning for the safety and preservation of her Majesties Honour Fame and Person accordingly Vide concerning a Bill on Wednesday the first day of February foregoing much to this purpose as also on March the 13 th Monday foregoing The Bill for restitution in Blood of Philip Earl of Arundel was read the third time and passed upon the Question On Wednesday the 15 th day of March Two Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the first being the Bill for maintenance of Mariners and of the Navigation was read the second time and two Provisoes also to the same Bill were twice read and committed unto Mr. Lieutenant of the Tower Sir Thomas Sampoole Mr. Aldersey Mr. Grice Mr. Lewkenor Mr. Norton and others who were appointed to meet at the Temple-Hall at two of the Clock this Afternoon Two Bills also had each of them one reading of which the Bill for the more indifferent Tryal by Juries was read the third time and dashed upon the Question Six Bills were sent up to the Lords by Sir Henry Ratclyffe Sir Thomas Cecill Sir Edward Horsey Mr. Lieutenant of the Tower and others whereof the fifth was the Bill for restitution in Blood of John and Dudley S t Leger and the last for the more indifferent Tryal by Juries Mr. Treasurer reported that according to the Order and Commission of this House to him yesterday and others he and others of the Committees had met together and drawn a new Bill and so delivered the Bill in the House to be read The Bill against seditious words and rumors uttered against the Queens most Excellent Majesty was twice read and upon the Question Ordered to be ingrossed Mr. Attorney General and Mr. Doctor Gibbon did bring from the Lords the Bill for fortifying of the Borders against Scotland with some Amendments which Bill had passed this House before and was sent to their Lordships from this House On Thursday the 16 th day of March Three Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the third being the Bill for Exposition of the Statute of Bankrupts was read the third time and dashed upon the Question Sir Thomas Sampoole one of the Committees in the matter for the Lord Zouch whose names see on Monday the 13 th day of this instant March foregoing made report of their Travel therein and of the Estate of the Title of the said Lord Zouch to the Mannor in demand and thereupon the said Lord Zouch was afterward with his Councel heard at the Bar. Vide concerning this matter on Tuesday the 14 th day of this instant March foregoing and also on Friday the 17 th day of the same Month following Mr. Doctor Clark and Mr. Doctor Barkley did bring from the Lords a Bill before-passed this House touching the abolishing of certain deceitful stuffs used in the dying of Cloths and now returned by their Lordships with some Amendments and Provisoes thereunto added The Bill against seditious words and rumors uttered against the Queens most Excellent Majesty was read the third time and after sundry Motions and Arguments and some Amendments added were thrice read and the Bill passed upon the question Mr. Cope standing up and offering to speak unto the House said unto Mr. Speaker and Charged him with these Speeches that is to say That Mr. Speaker
Bill so amended requiring that the same should now be presently read as for the first reading thereof Whereupon the said Bill was read accordingly for the first reading The Committees in M r Hydes Bill are appointed to meet on Monday Morning next in the Treasury Chamber It is Ordered that the House be called upon Monday next in the Afternoon On Monday the 20 th day of February Five Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the fourth being the Bill for the paving a Street without Aldgate was read the third time and passed upon the Question The Bill for Explanation of the Statute of Limitation made in the 37 th year of H. 〈◊〉 was brought in by M r Cromwell one of the Committees with some amendments The Bill for ratification of a Decree between Mr. Hyde and Mr. Darrell was brought in by the Committees and the amendments being twice read the Bill was Ordered to be ingrossed Sir Thomas Scott one of the Committees in the Bill against the Family of Love who were appointed on Thursday the 16 th day of this instant February foregoing brought in the old Bill with a new Bill also for that purpose drawn by the said Committees but he protested not assented unto only by himself and that for one only Article in the same new Bill contained Mr. Serjeant Flowerdewe Mr. Beale Mr. Topcliffe Mr. Cromwell Mr. Newdigate Mr. Alford and Mr. Layton were added to the former Committees in the Bill touching the Attornies and appointed to meet in the Inner-Temple Hall at two of the Clock in the Afternoon The Bill for the relief of the Creditors of Sir Thomas Gresham Knight Deceased was read the second time The Bill against slanderous Speeches and rumors and other seditious practices against the Queens Majesty was brought in by the Committees with certain Amendments and Additions all three times read and so now the Bill was read the third time and passed upon the Question and was sent up to the Lords by Mr. Vice-Chamberlain and others together with the other Bill passed this day viz. the Bill for paving of the Street without Aldgate Mr. Treasurer Mr. Vice-Chamberlain Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer Sir William Moore Mr. Recorder Mr. Serjeant Flowerdewe Mr. Wroth Mr. Cromwell and others were appointed to meet in the Exchequer-Chamber on Tuesday next at two of the Clock in the Afternoon for the Bill touching the Creditors of Sir Thomas Gresham and Licence given to all persons and parties whom it may concern to bring their Learned Councel as well before the said Committees as also before this House if it shall be so thought requisite The Bill touching coloured Cloths made in the Counties of Suff. and Essex was read the second time and committed to the former Committees for Cloths and the Bill was delivered to M r Grimston On Tuesday the 21 th day of February Six Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the third being the Bill for Explanation of the Statute of Limitation of prescription of 32 H. 8. with the Amendments was twice read and with the Bill Ordered to be ingrossed The Bill for Partition of the Lands late of the Lord Latimer Deceased was brought in by the Committees with a Proviso for the Earl of Oxford and Sir Thomas Tindale the same Proviso being twice read the Bill and Proviso were Ordered to be ingrossed by assent of both parties The Bill for Assize of Fewel and touching Iron-Mills were brought in by M r Comptroller with a new Bill for the Assize of Fewel another touching Glass-Houses and another for the Assize of Fewel within the City of Worcester The Bill last read was upon the Question and Division of the House passed with the advantage of the number of twelve Voices The three Bills last passed were sent up to the Lords by M r Vice-Chamberlain and others Two Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the first being the new Bill for the punishing of the Family of Love was read the first time M r Serjeant Anderson and M r Doctor Clark did bring word from the Lords that their Lordships having considered of the Amendments and Additions of this House in a Bill touching slanderous Speeches and Rumors and other seditious practices against the Queens Majesty and minding to understand the meaning and intent of this House in some part of the same Amendments and Additions have appointed twelve of themselves to have Conference with some of this House to Morrow at two of the Clock in the Afternoon in the Council Chamber at the Court and did pray that a convenient number of this House might be appointed to meet with them at the said time and place for Conference with the Lords in that behalf accordingly Whereupon were appointed for that purpose all those of this House which were in the former Committee of the same Bill before whose names see on Wednesday the first day of this instant February foregoing On Wednesday the 22 th day of February Three Bills of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the third being the Bill for the true making of Hats and Caps was read the second time and committed unto M r Lieutenant of the Tower Sir Rowland Haywood M r Recorder M r Askwith M r Perry and others and the Bill was delivered to M r Lieutenant of the Tower who with the rest was appointed to meet at Guild-hall upon Friday next at two of the Clock in the Afternoon On Thursday the 23 th day of February the Bill against sowing of Lineseed or Hempseed within the County of Hertford by force of any penal Laws was read the second time and committed unto Sir Henry Cock Sir Henry Knivett Sir Thomas Browne Sir Thomas Scott Sir James Harrington Sir William More and others and the Bill was delivered to Sir William More aforesaid who with the rest was appointed to meet this Afternoon at two of the Clock in the Temple Two Bills also of no great moment had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill for the true folding and winding of Woolls was read the second time and committed unto Sir Rowland Hayward Sir George Turpin Sir James Barrington M r Keale M r Benbridge and others and the Bill was delivered to M r Benbridge who with the rest was appointed to meet this Afternoon in the Middle-Temple Church at two of the Clock On Friday the 24 th day of February Two Bills had each of them one reading of which the first being the Bill for re-edifying of the Borough of New-Woodstock was read the second time and Ordered to be ingrossed The Bill touching the Mayor Bayliffs and Commonalty of the City of Coventry was brought in by M r Grimsditch with Amendments agreed upon by all the Parties to the same Bill Two Bills also had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill for the true melting
of which the second being the Bill or Petition of Cloth-workers had its first reading Mr. Johnson made Report of the meeting and Travel of the Committees in the Bill for punishment of idle and base persons with certain Amendments The Bills and Committees names touching trifling Suits and against common Sollicitors were delivered to Mr. Boyce The Amendments in the Bill for punishment of Offences in base and idle Persons were twice read and with the Bill Ordered to be ingrossed Two Bills also had each of them one reading of which the second being the Bill concerning matters of Assurances used amongst Merchants was read the second time and Committed unto all the Privy Council being Members of this House all the Doctors of the Civil Law likewise of this House Sir Walter Raleigh and others who were appointed to meet upon Thursday next in the Exchequer Chamber at two of the Clock in the Afternoon John Baker was brought to the Bar by the Serjeant and charged by Mr. Speaker with his offence c. was asked what he could answer for himself Upon his humble submission made earnest protestations of not knowing the said Wooddal to pertain to any Member of this House and being Sequestred until the House had considered of the same he was again brought to the Bar and by Order of the House discharged paying his Fees Vide concerning this matter on Yesterday immediately foregoing Thus far out of the Original Journal-Book of the House of Commons the residue of this dayes Passages are inserted out of the private Journal M r Hugh Beeston stood up in the lower end of the House and said M r Speaker We that be here cannot hear you that be above I would it would please them that speak there to speak louder Also I am to certifie you that I am here for a Town but not for mine own Country of Denbighshire or for any part thereof but if I should not speak somewhat for my Country I dare never go thither again Therefore I heartily beseech you M r Speaker That the House may be resolved what course is taken according to the Order of the House for the Election of a Knight and Burgess for they cannot but find themselves grieved for want of the Election But what is done I know not M r Secretary Cecill said Because I was the Reporter of the stay of the Election as also of the proceeding I will now also certifie you that there was Order taken for the sending out of a Warrant for the Election but what is done therein I know not M r Speaker said I gave Warrant to the Clerk of the Crown according to the antient form to send out a new Writ who answered me that the Lord Keeper desired to have the Warrant directed to him for a new Writ and for his Warrant for sealing thereof so that nothing is done therein Sir Edward Hobbic said There is no Court that doth not observe his Rites and follow his Priviledges much more this High Court of Parliament being the greatest and Commander of all other Courts doth and ought to observe the same most strictly And all the Precedents which I have seen and observed touching this point have ever gone to the Clerk of the Crown and to none other And therefore I take it that course ought inviolably to be observed Sir George Moore said I agree with the Gentleman that last spake that Precedents ought to be observed but yet not altogether upon urgent occasion or by necessity of time knowing this I take it my duty to inform you if any alteration have been it proceeded from the imperfection of a Speaker It was well observed by an antient Member of this House that no Conserence with the Lords touching a Subsidy should be had Yet that Rule hath been altered in late Parliaments by reason of special Causes So do I think it would be more Honourable to this House to direct our Warrant to the Lord Keeper than to any inferiour Minister in the Chancery Sir Francis Hastings said By the leave of your Honourable Favours I will shew you that I my self was Yesterday with the Lord Keeper and how Honourably I heard him speak of this House that he desired nothing more than to shew the duty and love he beareth us as also himself would be our immediate Officer and would be willing and glad to receive a Warrant from us so it might be directed to him for his discharge be it in what terms soever we pleased And he said he doubted not but if this Honourable House knew so much they would rather chuse him than any other for their Minister Thus much I thought good to certifie this House of which being spoken in private unto me I now deliver in publick unto you for my own advice I think nothing can be more Honourable unto this House than to have a Person of so great Estate to whom we may direct our Warrant as to our Minister M r Francis Bacon said It is far more Honourable for this House in my opinion when our Warrant shall move the principal Member of Justice than when it shall command a base petty or inferiour Servant to the Clerk of the Crown or the Clerk of the petty Bag. It will be said that our Warrant Emanavit improvidè when we shall direct our Warrants to these base Officers when we may move the Great Seal of England by it even as soon as either petty Bag or petty Officer M r Speaker said I was and ever am Zealous and Jealous of the Priviledges and Orders of this House I was commanded by you to send forth a Warrant for the Election of a Knight and Burgess I found a resolution that during the time of the sitting of this House the Speaker for a new Election is to make a Warrant directed to the Clerk of the Crown so that in my doing thereof I hope I have done rightly M r Secretary Cecill said I hope I shall move unto you a Conclusion which will end this Controversie and in the mean time a saving to all persons I mean not to second my former Error for which I was excepted unto that is that M r Speaker or any Member should attend the Lord Keeper but that four might be Assigned by this House to go to the Lord Keeper I say to go as if he should have said mark I say not to attend to the Lord Keeper to know the cause of the stay as also his request unto this House And that other six might be Assigned to call before them the Clerk of the Crown the Clerk of the petty Bag and the Clerk of this House with their Precedents and Books to see to whom this Warrant hath in former times been directed and whether the Priviledges in former Ages have danced a Pavin to and fro and according to the time have been altered This to be done this Afternoon and to certifie this House to Morrow and then we to make a determinate resolution To
to do our Countries good bereave them of that good help we may justly Administer M r Speaker Qui vadit planè vadit sanè Let us lay down our griefs in the Preamble of our Bill and make it by way of Petition And I doubt not but her Majesty being truly informed of it will give her Royal Assent M r Secretary Herbert said The making of Armamentaria is a Regality belonging only to the power of the King and the Crown of England and therefore no man can either cast or transport without Licence It stood perhaps with the Policy of former times to suffer transportation but as the times alter so doth the Government And we doubt it is now very hurtful and prejudicial to the State and therefore I am of opinion that it is very fit this transportation should be stayed and I concur only with them which would have it by way of Petition and not by Bill M r William Hackwell of Lincolns-Inn said I know the Authority of the Worthy Counsellor that last spake will incline you to yield to this Objection Yet notwithstanding I beseech you suppose him to be a man of my Condition or me to be a man of his sort so I doubt not but our persons being equalized the matter will soon be decided Where he saith transportation is necessary to aid our Friends and retain their Alliance I Answer That it is the subtilty and covetousness of our Friends who finding the inestimable gain and treasure they have by Ordnance brought from us do not only desire them for gain but also to gain to themselves Confederates by which means succouring our Friends we aid our Enemies For look whatsoever we give them we deduct from our selves Now let us stop this transportation and that greatly weakens their Forces by which means they will never be able to encounter us hand to hand Our Ordnance this pretious Jewel of our Realm worth even all we have is as familiarly sold in the Countries of our Confederates as any thing within this Land but being stopt they must be fain to take supply from their Ports to their Ships from their Ships to the Field c. Sir Francis Hastings said How swiftly and sweetly her Majesty apprehends our late griefs I think there is no Subject but knoweth For us then to deal in a matter so highly touching her Prerogative we should give her Majesty just cause to deny our Proceedings by Bill I think therefore by laying open our griefs in a Petition it will move the heart of her Majesty as much being a Case of this consequence as our first Motion by M r Speaker hath done And therefore I am of Opinion there is no way but this way Sir George Moore said It is in vain to dispute of the matter when the manner is only in question and as vain to lose the matter by over-long dispute of the manner The late experience of her Majesties Love and Clemency towards us and of her Care over us striketh such an awful regard into my heart that I wholly dislike this proceeding by Bill and only do approve our former Motion by way of Petition M r Hyde said M r Speaker It is doubted by some that this Bill will not pass by reason of the sudden ending of the Parliament for that I think if we give not too much stop to private Bills this Bill would quickly pass And I see no reason but we may well proceed by Bill and not touch her Majesties Prerogative for her Majesty is not more careful and watchful of her Prerogative than the noble Princes of Famous Memory King Henry the Eighth her Father and King Edward the Sixth her Brother were Then there was no doubt or mention of the Prerogative And therefore I think our surest and soundest course is by way of Bill c. M r Comptroller said I wish we should deal in such manner as we may have our desire and that I think we shall sooner obtain in speaking unto the Queen by way of Petition than in proceeding by way of Bill and Contestation We must note that her Self and her Progenitors will not be forced And I do not hold this course by way of Bill either to stand with respect or duty M r Swale of the Middle-Temple said I would but move thus much to the House if we let slip this Law and proceed by way of Petition then is there no Law to prohibit but the Law of 33 Hen. 8. and 2 d of Edw. 6. And those Laws give so small a remedy that it is no recompence to the loss of the thing M r Serjeant Harris said It hath been thought that the former Statutes do not stretch to Ordnance made of Iron But may it please the House to commit the Bill there shall be shewed to the Committees four or five Precedents and late Judgments that Iron Guns come within this Law M r Sollicitor Flemming said The Gentleman that spake last said very true for it was lately in Matchivells Case in the Exchequer So the Bill was committed to all the Privy Council and all the Queens Learned Councel being of this House Sir Walter Raleigh the Knights and Citizens of London Sir Francis Hastings M r Grevill Sir Robert Wroth Sir Robert Mansell Sir Richard Knightley Sir George Moore and divers others who were appointed to meet in this House at two of the Clock in the Afternoon Then followed a dispute touching the Information against M r Belgrave a Member of the same M r Belgrave said Mr. Speaker Modesty forbids me to speak in my own Case that so nearly concerneth me but necessity urgeth me to appeal to this High Court True it is there was an Information exhibited against me in the Star-Chamber by an Honourable Person of the Upper House the Earl of Huntington in the name of Mr. Attorney General for a Misdemeanor committed to this High Court the substance of that Information I confess yet I am to be an humble Suitor unto this House whether an Information is to be exhibited this House sitting against any Member thereof And for my own part I do submit my self to abide such Censure as this House shall in their Wisdoms think convenient Sir George Moore said viewing the Information I find the words to be against the High Court of Parliament which is as well the Upper House as this House and therefore I wish there might be a Conference with the Lords herein Now this House is but part and a Member of the Parliament and therefore we solely cannot proceed Mr. Serjeant Harris said In the 36 th of Hen. 8. when Ferris Case was who was a Member of this House did not we proceed without any Conference with the Lords Here might be libera suffragin and no man of this House to be chosen by any Friends or Mediation of any great Man neither ought we to be tyed by any Blue Coat in the World But as our Persons are Priviledged so should our Speeches be