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A96140	Mr. Edwards pen no slander: or, The Gangræna once more searched: which being found very full of corrupt matter, that part of his foul mouth is seringed, and washed with a moderate answer, given by Tho: Web, to that part of his book, wherein Mr. Edwards chargeth him for delivering severall Antinomian doctrines. In which answer is proved, that many things wherewith Mr. Edwards chargeth him, is false. Also, that Mr. Edwards charging any in such a nature is contrary to rule, and against all examples in Scripture, and tends unto division in these distracting times. / By Thomas Webbe.	Webbe, Thomas.	1646 (1646)	Wing W1206; Thomason E337_34; ESTC R200835	14,930	16

as doth appeare by his writings and not only for me but for the precious Elect and beloved ones of God that are not in every thing of his judgement truly I could heartily wish that we were all of one heart and one minde praysing and rejoysing in the Lord but seeing it s not so nor neither I nor Mr. Edwards can tell how to fulfill our wills therein and indeed as I may so say it s not the will of God so to have it as yet O why should he or any murmure against the hand of God herein or envy those who are not in every thing of his Judgement or why should he seeke to render them odious unto the world whom I am confident neither he nor any can say are odious unto God a most sad thing to censure of and that which would if rightly applyed draw blood from the heart as it hath done by many precious ones and indeede is below the protection the perfection of Saints for that leades them to walke in wayes they know and do agree in and if in any thing they be otherwise minded God will reveale that unto them here is now perfection and a Gospel spirit but now Mr. Edwards is so farre from this perfection and walking this Gospel path that he neither exhorts or seeks to walke with any that with him in every thing doth not agree nor yet praise God with me on my behalfe who as he writes hath recanted of former blaspheamies wherein confident I am we did disagree which implyes both want of Knowledge and want of Love want of Knowledge in that he knowes not what the duty of one Christian is to another when there is a Christian convinced of his error nay this is a great duty towards God because that when we praise God in the behalfe of one converted we do therein advance God and as in duty we are bound declare his workes which for his Saints he workes in Syon holding him forth to the soules convincer Secondly it implies want of love that if he knew what were his Christian duty want of love to carry him forth to performe his duty towards any even the least and meanest of all Saints It s true I am a stranger to him and he to me yet not so strange but we believe each other to be Christians now if he had had any love towards me or Christianity it would have carried him forth to have acted the acts of Christianity or if he had not believed me to be a Christian yet knowing that love to all and prayers for all is acceptable with God true love would for Gods sake a carried him forth to act towards me or any above himselfe or may infirmities true love John saith casts out feare even so it casts out of the spirituall soule truly loving all declinations to the contrary and drawes it to live above its own glory or selfe and the weaknesses of others in love with them as Luther saith in Christ and in his fellow-Saints out of selfe as self in them sweetly as theirs O if this were our practise one towards another then would we praise and joy in the Lord for the behalfe one of another But me thinks I heare some friends in the Lord speak in the behalfe of Mr. Edwards his practice saying how could he do any otherwise then he hath done when as he saith I have since my recantation been in Suffolk Essex and Kent venting Antinomian doctrines O let the Sons and friends of Syon judge whether if I had vented since my recantation Antinomian Doctrines it were a sufficient reason for his practice when as I never from him did receive any brotherly or friendly admonition and the Scripture saith that if thy Brother trespasse thou should not presently tel it the Church till after twice or thrice admonishment but how doth he trace this Gospell-path when without any admonishment he divulges me to the world a most sad thing that he who professes himself to be a Gospell Minister should not nor doth not himself tread Gospel-paths but he himself is a transgressour thereof Truly if I may herein be judge I conceive that if rightly considered of it makes much against him and that because of my recantation as he calls it for if so be that I had recanted of Doctrines blasphemous then I conceive it was an Argument sufficient enough to cary him forth as followeth viz. not as his Brethren did but in a brotherly manner to have informed me of the erroneousnesse of those namelesse Antinomian Doctrines which as he saith I have vented for if his Brethrens information caused me to recant then surely it will appear to any reasonoble man that their experience of my wilingnes not only to heare their information but also to receive the same would have been to any reasonable man a sufficient Argument to have caused him to have informed me not with a prison but in a Gospel way to have opened to me the mistery of the Scripture whereby I might have been brought to a true understanding thereof and to have seene the erroneousnesse of those Antinomian doctrines and how farre they come short of truth and are destructive to truth and I in the end might sweetly a been brought to live in the enjoyment of Truth which indeed my soule much hungers after Secondly it would have been an Argument conducing to have caused him to have left his brotherly Saint-like information with me in the will of God and he himselfe patiently to have waited in prayer at the throne of Grace that his brotherly information might have wrought upon me knowing that that God that caused me to recant of those blaspheamous doctrines remaines still the same God and is now as able if he please to inable me recant of the Antinomian doctrines also and so he and I might sweetly have fed upon the discovery of divine misteries and I through the same might have been brought to leave and say farwell to all things that are contrary to sound doctrine But truly I feare and therefore I mourne that he is a stranger to this life of Gospel-living to this life of Saints but no wonder it s a hidden so a misterious life as it appears for where there is one petition put up to God either for me or those who are stiled Independents there is ten to one put up to God and the Parliament against us for our banishment but here is mine and their comfort that though through our weaknesses we may be banished out of his and other mens favour yet they cannot banish us out of Gods favour and though he mourne and murmure at our being implyed in offices for the State and so may degrade us of the same yet his murmurings cannot degrade us of that which is the all glory even of dwelling in and injoying all spirituall blessings in heavenly places here is joy full of glory and I doubt not but this honour will remaine let him do what he

Mr. Edwards Pen NO SLANDER OR The Gangraena once more searched Which being found very full of corrupt matter that part of his foul Mouth is seringed and washed with a Moderate Answer given by THO WEB to that part of his Book wherein Mr. Edwards chargeth him for delivering severall Antinomian Doctrines In which Answer is proved that many things wherewith Mr. Edwards chargeth him is false ALSO That Mr. EDWARDS charging any in such a nature is contrary to Rule and against all Examples in Scripture and tends unto division in these distracting times By THOMAS WEBBE 1 COR. 16.14 Let all your things be done in Charity 2 COR 13.8 For we can do nothing against the Truth but for the Truth EPHES. 4.31 Let all bitternesse and wrath and anger and clamour and evill speaking depart away from you with all malice Vers 32. And be ye kind one to another forgiving one another even as God for Christs sake hath forgiven you London Printed by Jane Coe and are to be sold by Henry Overton at his Shop in Popes-Head Alley 1646. Mr. Edwards Pen no Slander IT is my hearts grief that I am engaged to use my Pen in matters that requires a publik satisfaction in answring of M. Edwards but in as much as I apprehend that its the will of God I am satisfied and am willing to give him an Answer though I am altogether unwilling that hatred should naswer hatred and malice malice but that love may give M. Edwards his hatred a sweet and Christian-like Answer and that in much patience Also that truth may appear for me and not my self who desires nothing more then the braces of Peace Truth in answering of M. Edwards that part of his Gangraena wherein he charges me with many things and where withall he seekes not onely to take away my good name but also against all Christianity my lively-hood O that we could but live answering Pauls Bowels of Compassion sweetly in a Christ-like love one towards another Mr. Edwards is pleased to begin thus speaking of me by name he saith that I was charged before the Honourable House of Lords for delivering blasphemous Doctrines which he saith I have recanted of this is his first Charge It s true indeed that I was before the House of Lords but I wonder and it s somthing strange that I should recant of those blasphemous doctrines when indeed as unto me they were read I did not own them It s true there was many Doctrines read over unto me by the Clerk of the Lords House which would admit of dangerous and blasphemous Constructions were of dangerous consequences indeed quite contrary unto my judgment or opinion but I having liberty to declare my self concerning them before that Honourable House I did both to the House and to those worthy Ministers of the Synod who were appointed to examine me and as I thought did give good satisfaction as did appear by my releasement out of Prison onely there did remain a little money businesse Now if this were a recantation I refer it to wise judicious considerations But grant it were a recantation I had then whereof not to be ashamed but to glory in respect of mercy shewed me in recanting of them but is it not against common reason that Mr. Edwards should divulge the same in publique to the rendring of me odious to the world and bereaving me of my lively-hood which that he doth in taking away my good name which as the wise-man saith is better then great abundance of worldly riches as by sad experience is wofully witnessed would it be a point of wisdome for a Father if that after his Son should confesse his fault and turn from it that his Father should declare the same to the world whereby his Child were rendred odious and thereby lost his good name O let in this case common reason stand between Mr. Edwards and my self Secondly grant that I had recanted of such sad blasphemous doctrines O what cause of rejoycing and it had been his duty to a praised God for it on my behalf knowing that praise waiteth for God in Syon God waits to do us good and to be mercifull unto us and we should wait to praise God and to let passe no opportunity nor receive no mercy but praise should be given forth to God But how doth Mr. Edwards wait upon God as for every beame of love to praise God who sends forth the glorious beames thereof to the Sons of men when he in his writing vents nothing but self and hatred in the rendring me odious to the world as if my recantation had bin an errour and so the things of which I did recant were truth Certainly he was very zealous but not according to knowledge for knowledg would as I conceive have taught him otherwise even to have praised God with me on my behalf for convincing of me of those dangerous and blasphemous doctrines there being no work of God But what of us all worthy of all praise but more especially the work of God which to us is one of the greatest miracles wrought by divine power even the turning of a soule from errour unto truth knowing that the not knowing of God and the way of God in a true manner or Gospel way doth deprive the soule of many sweet and precious enjoyments of God and Gospel priviledges also that he that turneth a soule from sinne saveth it from Hell O that Mr. Edwards would take it and seriously consider of it whether he be greater then the Angels in Heaven or whether pride be greater in him then in them for certainly one of these must be in as much as there is great joy amongst them over one sinner that turns from his way Now if they stoop down to us poor Creatures so as to rejoyce at our returning from sin unto God oh why should not Mr. Edwards nay and how doth God himself embrace and provide a fatted Calf for his prodigall Son that returns home unto him now if so be I have bin a prodigall Son as indeed in some measure I have been and have fed upon husks which he tearms blasphemous Doctrines and at last I have turned or God hath drawn me from them to truth O what cause is here of Mr. Edwards embracing of me and taking me into his love and favour seeing that God hath done it before him but how doth he praise God nay he is though in love I write it as truly I must be plaine in his wayes farr below God in his wayes for God embraces and sweetly busses that soule that turnes to him and provides a fatted Calfe for the poore soule sweetly to feede upon but he is so farre from embracing of me that he seekes not only to make me odious to himselfe but also to the world he is so farre from providing a fatted Calfe as that if he could I feare he would provide for me a leane and poore price and a sower and bitter bite

can even the worlds reading and spelling out of Christ in our bookes when it may not in his Mr. Edwards in his booke writes that I have been in Essex Suffolk and Kent where I have vented Antinomian doctrines its true I have been in these three Counties but for venting Antinomian doctrins that I am ignorant of but I humbly desire Mr. Edwards that if he writes againe he would be willing to explaine what he meanes by Antinomianisme and where my doctrine was such for Suffolk he names not the particulars of my doctrine it may be it s because he knowes them not or if he doth know it s because it was against covetuousnesse but it seems by the story that what doctrine soever it were it s called by him Antinomianisme well but if to set up Christ and to beat downe covetuousnesse be so I did do it and I hope God will still carry me forth so to do and the Scripture I there spake from was Act. 5.11 and if there be man or woman that can charge me with delivering Antinomians doctrins I in a brotherly manner desire to be informed And he saith further that I would have taught in publike if the Minister had not hindred me surely his informer is fe'd well which makes him to informe him any thing it s no matter whether they be true or false any thing to please children for while I was in Suffolk which was not a week I taught foure tymes twice on the Lords day and twice the Wednesday following which was the fast day and not once in private the Townes name is Stocke neere Clare in Suffolk nor was I hindred by any Minister as he writes nor was there any one Minister in the Countie that was moved to let me teach and the Towne wherein I was was then destitute of a Minister For Essex he saith I taught in one Mr. Sparrowes house of Colchester against all baptism truly severall times I did speak in the said house and being occasioned through the dispute of some honest people that are under baptism touching the same and I being engaged in the same dispute did deliver my selfe as followeth First viz. that the Scripture puts a difference between the baptism of John and the baptism of Christ Johns being of water and Christs being of the Holy Ghost according as is witnessed by these insuing Scriptures Math 3.11 Secondly that Johns baptism which was water did end at the comming of Christ as John 3.30 and that because it manifested a Christ to come unto Jsrael who being already come is ceased Iohn 1.31 which I having premised I gave out my thoughts that there must be a second institution of baptism with water or else it is not of that weight as many of our friends take it to be which institution I read not of in any part of the New Testament I meane that CHRIST in his person did not institute the same as I reade of And in Matth. Chapt. the 28. where my friends conceive that CHRIST did institute that Ordinance of water which they practice I conceive it may as well be applied to any other Baptisme as that of the holy Ghost as to water the Text not naming of water yet notwithstanding I did not then nor do I now deny the practice of it onely as I said then so I say now by way of exhortation desiring those my friends not to make such a division about it knowing that neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing save onely the Baptisme of the holy Spirit which is the New-creature intreating of them to look more after the said baptisme and then would our divisions about the former cease and we being baptized by one Spirit into one Body should sweetly live in and to one another as members of one body Now those my friends that were then present could not give me satisfaction in proving Baptisme with water to be instituted by Christ or in any part of the New Testament was given forth by him while personally upon earth to his Apostles And Paul saith He was not sent to Baptize but to preach 1 Cor. 1.17 But if Mr. Edwards will be pleased to appear in the proving of it I shall much praise God for it and shall acknowledge him to be my Father in Christ A second thing which Mr. Edwards writes I delivered in the said house is That a Saint may say he is equall with Christ and count it no robbery I could wish with all my heart that he would if it had been an errour have done God so much service as to have disproved it I was speaking out of Joh. 7.22 the words are there The glory which thou gavest me I have given them that they may be one even as thou Father and I am one From these words after some time spent in shewing what this glory was in the generall I came to the particulars or drawing of it out in branches and the first was Gods love the same unto the Saints as unto Christ which I proved by many reasons which now I shall not name but there being amongst many Scriptures one very pertinent to the thing I named it which is Vers 23. Thou hast loved them as thou hast loved me Christ sets forth the Fathers love to the Saints by the Fathers love to him as thou hast loved me I opened this word as wherein lieth much which is not now my businesse onely I humbly intreat Mr. Edwards that if he judge it to be an errour that he would prove it so to be for he leaving a thing neither proving nor yet disproving of it to be a truth makes me with many think that he believes it to be a truth but would not have the Saints to know of it or else because the world not being to judge of such things but is ready to speak evill of dignities even of what they know not he presents it them that so I might become the more odious and vile in their sight and truly if it be an errour as I desire him to prove I shall leave it reioycing in the Lord for his love in taking me off from it But blame me not if I still remain in the same judgement having as I conceive the Word of God to be my rule provided I meet with a fair candid interpretation of my words as Rom. 8. Eph. 1.3 1 Joh. 4.17 But if God by any shall give me forth an understanding of these Scriptures which is contrary to what I bring them for I am one who am not willing to withstand truth but desire to be overcome by truth in every thing though it come but from the hands of the poorest creature under heaven whose Scholler I am ready to be when ever God shall teach me any thing by him A third thing which Mr. Edwards charges me withall is how that I being talking with an honest Christian in Colchester should use this expression That it was not lawfull to say God the Father God the