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A56213 The substance of a speech made in the House of Commons by Wil. Prynn of Lincolns-Inn, Esquire, on Munday the fourth of December, 1648 touching the Kings answer to the propositions of both Houses upon the whole treaty, whether they were satisfactory, or not satisfactory : wherein the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the propositions for settlement of a firm lasting peace, and future security of the subjects against all feared regall invasions and encroachments whatsoever is clearly demonstrated ... and that the armies remonstrance, Nov. 20, is a way to speedy and certain ruine ... / put into writing, and published by him at the importunate request of divers members, for the satisfaction of the whole kingdome, touching the Houses vote upon his debate. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1649 (1649) Wing P4093; ESTC R38011 126,097 147

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without reasons to back them being no wayes satisfactory to any man 20 December 1648. Col. Bosvill Lord Gray Peregrine Pelham Col. Jones Col. Temple Col. Ven Sir Tho. Malivory Sir John Bouchier Col. Peter Temple Humphry Edwards whose elect is void Mr. Tho. Challoner Sir Gregory Norton Michael Oldesworth Augustin Garland Sir Iohn Danvers Mr. Dove Mr. Hen. Smith Mr. Fry whose election is long since voted void Mr. Serle Nicholas Love Iohn Lisle Col. Rigby Cornelius Holland Col. Ludlow Gregory Clement Col. Puretoy Col. Stapely Mr. Dunch Mr. Cawley Col. Downes John Carey John Blackstone Thomas Scot December 21 Col. Hutchinson Sir Henry Mildmay Sir Jam. Harrington 25 Decemb. Col. Edward Harvey Alderman Pennington Alderman Atkin Dan. Blagrave voted out of the house Colonel Moor Gilbert Millington In a Letter from Paris writ by an Independent Agent there to an Independent Member of the House of Commons a great friend of the Armies dated Paris Nov. 28. 1648 there is this passage I am fallen into the acquaintance of three or four Catholicks of great ingenuity and in their way of much Religion undoubtedly it is an errour to look at all Papists through the same prospective for they are more to be differenced then English Protestants can be I finde their opinion of and dependance upon the Pope little or nothing what we imagined it to be and better principled To make Members of a free Common-wealth then the most English Their opposition to the King is not to be reconciled Their hopes now are upon the Army to whom they wish all prosperity as to the setling of a Representative being extremely distasted with Regal hereditary Power through the world This Letter compared with the close of the fore going Speech the Armies late force upon both Houses and their Members to dissolve them their imprisoning and removing the King to bring him to tryall their voting at their generall Councel of War at White-hall the 23 of December last carryed by two voyces That all Papists should have free liberty and toleration of conscience and all Sequestrations and forfeitures as Papists only taken off Their earnest prosecution of the new Jesuiticall Representative to divide the whole kingdom into bloudy feuds and factions to destroy one another and make way for the common forraign Popish Enemies to invade and conquer us in our present low condition without any opposition and lose Ireland past all recovery their casting of the eminent imprisoned Members into hell it self in highest contempt and scorn their setting up a new Parliament of State and a Convocation too at White-hall as the supreme Councel to vote settle and determine all affairs of Church and State and new mould the whole Government of this Kingdom with the Petition of Robert de Luke to the General within these few dayes for him and his fellow-Messengers authorized by the State to apprehend Priests and Jesuits for his Warrant to apprehend the Jesuits and Priests in his Army and Quarters without any Officers disturbance where they have discovered many of them since their march to London their present complyance with Sir Iohn Winter the archest Jesuited Papist a person excepted in the Propositions and using him and Sir Toby Matthews that pragmaticall Jesuite to draw Owen Roh Oneal and the bloody Popish Rebels in Ireland to joyn with them against Monarchy and the Princes Title with their late extraordinary favours to Priests and Papists of which they boast the repealing of the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegeance made principally against the Pope Papists and their Jesuiticall Usurpations Innovations and Antimonarchicall practices of excommunicating deposing dis-inheriting and murthering our Protestant Princes and their manifold Treasons Conspiracies and attempts upon their Persons Crowns and Kingdoms Their late illegal and treasonable murthering and beheading of the King and the late Petition of the Army that all imprisoned for their conscience or Religion may be released extending unto Popish Priests and Jesuits and purposely intended for their benefit there being none else but such restrained and but few of them And their present actings are a cleer evidence to every rational mans conscience that all the Armies present councels designes force and proceedings against the King Prince Parliament Members and their new pretended Representative are but the Jesuits and Roman Catholicks Brats Impostures and undermining Projects to accomplish their own ends and that they have already got the greatest sway in all their consultations and proceedings of purpose to work our speedy ruine if the Officers and Army will neither timely discern nor repent of it and be no longer spurred on and ridden with a full career by these Jesuiticall Furies who fear a discovery ere they have completed their work and therefore make such post haste to accomplish it by the Armies present distempers uncapable yet of better councel or timely informations to recall them from their own approaching speedy ruine their ears being so deafned and their brains so intoxicated with their Jesuiticall Enchantments which all the Kingdom and world will now clearly discover and I hope the Officers and Army will do so too by this discovery of them and thereupon repent of all their violence and late proceedings at which the Papists at ROME and in forraign parts do much rejoyce and triumph I shall close up all with these words of both Houses of Parliament in their Ordinance of the 1 of April 1643 That nothing but RUINE AND DESOLATION CAN BE EXPECTED unlesse God in mercy prevent it and incline his Majesties heart to the faithfull advice of his great Councel of Parliament as now he hath done in this Treaty which hath ever been and is under God the chief support of his royall Dignity and the security of all we have or can enjoy FINIS a Iohn Goodwin Right and might well met The Moderate A word to M. William Prynne a Libellous empty New-nothing b The humble Answer of the Generall Councell of Officers of the Army c. Ian. 3. 1648. h Rev. 2. 10. i A Collection c. pag. 224 425 599 623 694● 705 227 267 300 380 464 537 686 Appendix p. 4. 23. Exact Collection p. 35. to 42. k Exact Collection p. 18 200 c. A Collection p. 705. l Exact Collection p. 35. to 40. 48 to 57 215 to 232 c m A collection p. 201 c. n The Generalls Letters from Bedford Iuly 30 1 647. and his and the Armies Remon●●rance August 18. ●c 4. o See Exact c●llect ●ons And a Coll●●c●cti●on of al orders c. passim And the At 〈◊〉 p The humble Answer c. Ian. 3 1648. p. 2. q The humole Answer p. 9. r 2 Per. 2. 11. Iude. 9. s Luke 6 22. t Psal. 37. 6. u I Per 1. 17. Rev. 20. 13. x Heba 4.13 Y The humble answer p. 2. z 1 Sam. 6 14. 15. 19. 20. a 1 Sam. 15. 13. 14. c. c. 13. 68 to 15. b 1 Chron. 13 9. 10. c Matth 6. 7. c.