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A85827 A discours apologetical; wherein Lilies lewd and lowd lies in his Merlin or Pasqil for the yeer 1654. are cleerly laid open; his shameful desertion of his own cause is further discovered; his shameless slanders fullie refuted; and his malicious and murtherous mind, inciting to a general massacre of Gods ministers, from his own pen, evidentlie evinced. Together with an advertisement concerning two allegations produced in the close of his postscript. And a postscript concerning an epistle dedicatorie of one J. Gadburie. By Tho. Gataker B.D. autor [sic] of the annotations on Jer. 10.2 and of the vindication of them. Gataker, Thomas, 1574-1654. 1654 (1654) Wing G319; Thomason E731_1; ESTC R202124 96,485 112

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and not Jesuitical Independent and not Independent that which in some sense he saith of himself an Amphibious animal or a Chimera made up partlie of Papism partlie of Protestantism and partlie of Independencie In two things especiallie he is just of the same stamp and temper with his frend Lilie who hath good cause therefore to like him the better And it was reported abroad that he had received money of Lilie to write in defence of him against my former Vindication which being told him by a frend of mine occasionallie meeting him in the street he acknowledged that he had been indeed lately with Lilie who had spoken to him his pleasure of me but that he was resolved not to write in defence of him because he knew his practise to be condemned in divers Councels whose autoritie he regarged more then anie privat mans opinion But howsoever behind Lilies back he give in his verdict thus against him which peradventure he wil not do to his face yet in some things he and Lilie so exactlie resemble either other that were their parentage uncertain and were by conjecture to be gathered from their similitude of disposition and demeanure they might well be deemed like Pla●tus his Menechmi to be gemini germani two twins of one birth or at least fratres uterini both births of one bellie The one good qalitie wherein they ar so like either to other is that the manner of them both is rather to rail and revile then by arguing and reasoning to refel and refute The other is their extream malice and rage against the Presbyterian partie the Genevan Discipline and Calvin by name both which may easilie appear of this latter for of the other enough hath been said and shewed alreadie both in this and in a former Discours as well by that parcel of stuff that his frend Lilie here presents us with as by other passages also abundantlie yea luxuriantlie in other his writings elsewhere It is a rule in the School that Amor est odio prior odium ex amore oritur that Love ever goeth before hatred and all hatred springs from Love Therefore do wicked men hate God and his Law because they love themselvs and their corruptions which God by his Law doth cross controle and endevor to courb and it is by a grave Writer well observed that men are many times eager against some whom they either deem or would have deemed delinqents 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 rather out of self-self-love then anie hatred of evil because they stand in their way or in their light in regard of their ends and interests or because they oppose and thwart them in some corrupt courses that they are stronglie addicted to And this seems to be the ground of this mans extream malice against the Presbyterian partie he pretends indeed to hate them as Gods enemies but can he shew wherein as Presbyterians they are such and in regard of such abominable actions as he knows by them but he tels us not what they are but the main ground of the quarrel seems rather to be because some professed Presbyterians have assayed to discover some of his trains or to deliver the matter in his own terms because Presbyterians as Presbyterians have as he dreems been hurtful and injurious to him which what English to make of I know not well unless his meaning be that all the Presbyterians in the world have so delt with him for he is not ignorant of the Axiom qod convenit tali qatenus tale convenit omni tali and therefore his spleen is accordinglie such against them all in general I remember to have read long since a saying in Jerome tho in what work of his now I remember not and it comes the oftner to my mind because I observ the practise of it so rife in affairs as well publike as private Multi eliguntur and so praeferuntur non sui amore sed alterius odio Manie are chosen and so in choice preferred not so much out of love or good affection to them as out of hatred and dis-affection of some others that stand either in opposition to them or in competition with them And just so is it with this man He professeth to hate Presbyterians and Anabaptists as Gods enemies with a perfect hatred But the Presbyterians most especiallie whom to depress therefore and debase as much as possiblie may be he cares not whom he sets up and prefers before them Anabaptists Schismatiks Hereticks and whom not Against the Anabaptists he writes most bitterlie and yet that he might not be deemed to cast them behind the Presbyterians Altho saith he I bind up the Anabaptists into this heterodox fardle yet I engage my self to make it shine as the Sun that manie Anabaptists are the propugners and maintainers of manie excellent and divine truths and are more justifiable before God and more sufferable with man then Presbyterians and strict Calvinists Again of Heterodox Sectaries and Separatists thus Brethren It burns in my bowels and I cannot hold it Some called Separatists and they are so and more then so as separating from the Church not in Communion onelie but in Faith also are better marowed and more Evangelical then these Pulpit Ignes fatui foolish Fiers then these Teachers ex argilla luto conficti of dirt and clay And that you may not mistake him or make doubt whom he means by these foolish flashes and dirty Preachers to let you know in plain terms they are the Presbyterians and Calvinists whose Doctrine he had in most odious manner traduced and exagitated before he subjoyns immediatlie this scoffing passage which may well go for a specimen of his mysterious Interpretation of Scripture He that compares the Independents with the Presbyterians compares the Nephilim or Giants that made others to fall before them with the Pygmey Archers on the Towres of Tyre For the Presbyterian Archers have crawled up to the top of a little Tyre lerning but the Giants independing of Tyres and Towres are so well grounded that the P●gmies dare not come down to them and meet them on eaven ground and the Independents may cry and hollow it up to the Pygmies on the tops of their Towres that the Presbyterians at the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the Septuagint Monsters divided between Men and Asses and the Satyres of the English Bible and might plead with reason that these Asses have formerlie drunk up the Moon Thus to curry favor with the Independents whom he would fain close with he courts them As for the Presbyterians he can find no language foul or broad enough to belch up against them or spew out upon them whom therefore in both his Rabblements fraught with Ribaldrie he bedawbs and bespatters with these and other the like Satyrical and scurrilous Titles Scotch Pharisees Scotch Manichees Scotch Barnacles Scotch Balaks and Balaams with their speaking Asses Brethren of the Scotch
of it p. 67 68 His charging our Preachers with belying of Papists p. 68 60 70 His excusing and extenuating of Popish corruptions p. 69 His Confession of his Faith no other then what he saith any knowing Papist will acknowledge p. 70 His Sermon no Sermon c. what a Riddle p. 70 His traducing our English Version of the Bible and bespattering the persons imployed in it p. 70 71 His reqirie of repair to some persons infalliblie guided for everie reading and sense of each word in Scripture for sure ground of Faith p 71 72 How this puls to Rome p. 72 How i● p●shes to Atheism p 73 He makes Gods Oracles meer Riddles and Intricacies that may be turned anie way p. 74 He charges the Independents with doing the like p. 75 In his English he hath the same in effect which he professes to deliver for fear of troubling weak ones in Latine p. 75 He invites an Answerer tyes him to Latin promises to replie so onelie but fails p. 75 76 He puts off his Answer with sqibs and scoffs and impertinencies p 77 He is for satisfaction of his difficultie sent home to himself and some other p. 78 No good proof that not joyned to Rome because he preaches as a Minister here p. 78 79 His character impouring him to exercise and cure strange diseases p. 80 His scruple about his Marriage ibid. Tho no professed Jesuit not free from Jesuiticall tricks p. 81 Writes himself Independent and his reason why p. 81 82 Yet maintains Dependencie and reqires Episcopacie to the being of a Church p. 81 How partial herein for Rome p. 81 82 Acknowledges Lilies practise and profession condemned in ancient Councels p. 82 Lilie and he wherein alike p. 82 83 91 92 93 Hatred of anie thing rises from the love of some other thing Mans hatred of God from self-self-love p. 83 The ground of Mr. Cs. hatred of Presbyterie ibid. Manie preferred out of disaffection to some others p. 84 So Mr. Carp Schismatical and Heterodox Separatists before Presbyterians and Calvinists ibid. His collation of Presbyterians and Independents p. 84 85 His gross abuses of Scripture p 85 His manifold scurrillous termes given to the Presbyterians ●ainous charges and abandoning of them p. 85 86 His Lucian-like dream of a dance in a Mask with the P●e-dish p. 86 His absurd deduction of Kirk from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a tail p. 86 87 B. Kings censure of Henoch Clapham p. 87 Mr Carp bringing the Pulpit upon the Stage and the Stage into the Pulpit p. 87 88 89 His traducing the Presbyterians and Genevians and defring them as Jesuits p. 90 His charitable affection professed to the Anabaptists p. 90 Malicious and murthero●s mind to the Presbyterian partie p. 90 Priest lie character how poor a curb to crueltie p 90 91 His solemn abrenunciations of our Presbyters and Preachers p. 92 93 His Latine peec●s in Lili● at his reqest Englished p. 93 An humble Address to the Higher Powers p. 94 95 In the Postscript J. Gadburies Epistle to Mr. T. G. p. 96 His charge of him with scurrillous language p. 96 97 With pretending to teach Hebrew having little skil in it p. 97 99 Mr. Gs. access to Mr. Aylof● house p. 97 98 His imployment there p. 98 M. Aylofs Wife what manner of woman and how affected p. 98 99 Her dailie retirement how managed p. 98 In all Arts and Sciences the more men know the more they know their want of knowledge p. 99 100 Gadburies pretence of a contradiction in Mr. Gs. words p. 100 His hellish misconstruction of them p. 100 101 His scurrillous terms and aspersions of the Ministerie ibid. Mr. Gs. entrance into the Ministerie p. 101 102 Why Lilie and Gadburie may j●stlie be termed Sycophants and Helhounds p. 102 103 Mr. Gs. resolution to meddle no further with them p. 103 How little or nothing rather of truth they have been able to discover against Mr. G. in his life the one in his writings the other p. 103 104 His idle Qerie answered here and elswhere p. 104 A Discourse Apologetical concerning some notorious Falshoods in LILIES Merline for the year 1654. NO sooner did Lilies Pasqil for no other then such are his Anniversary Merlins for the year 54. come flying abroad but being informed that therein after his wonted guise he had again fallen foul upon me I was desirous to have a sight of it that I might see what he had said in his own defence concerning those things that I had charged upon him both in mine Annotations and in my Vindication thereof and what he had returned to my fresh charge or pursuit in the latter of my first charge in the former But when it came to my hands upon perusal of it I soon perceived that I had proved a tru Prognostes and much truer then Lilie albeit I had not at all consulted with the Stars as he professeth and pretendeth to do nor indeed was there any need at all that I should For in the first place I found that to be tru which I had foretold that Lily would if my Vindiciae ever came to his hands put off all in the same manner as he had all other before whom he was pleased to take notice of that had written ought against himselfe or his Trade with a few scurrilous Jeers and just so he doth here to wit in these termes An impudent Pamphlet writ against me by that old silenced or dumb Minister containing twenty six sheets of scolding Nor found I that also to have falne out otherwise then as I had presaged according to the advice that I had given him as a friend and foresaw that he would be so wise as to follow to wit that he would wholly let slip and bury in silence whatsoever had been formerly with so much confidence averred by him concerning the pretended grounds of his Art and Trade how the good Angels such as he consults with were the first Teachers of it and that by them it was revealed to holy men such no doubt as himself and his Associates now are which tho both in the Annotation and Vindication being instantly urged and eagerly pressed upon his credit lying at the stake out of some authentik Record one or other to make good unless he would be reputed as otherwise he justly deserves and by his silence may deservedly be deemed to acknowledge to be a coyner and broacher of fictions and fables to gain credit thereby to his cheating Trade and to gull poor people with by telling them such fond tales and frivolous stories as himself well knows and his own Conscience if he have any at least told him that he had no proof at all for Yet throughout the whole heap here of his frivolous Calculations fabulous Relations ridiculous Predictions forged and coyned like the Sabine or Jewish Dreamers dreams to comply with the current and fit the fancies of those whom he would cury favor with and scurrilous girds at those whom
from its first building it had been with Reed which to prevent the like hazard that might as it did also some time after ensu I therefore took away and in stead thereof which was no smal charge to me covered it all over with Tile These things I say set aside which yet shrewdlie drained my smal stock because they were not a constant charge come we to the Annual Revenue in either place and see what addition was made by this latter to the former In the place that I left I received Threescore pounds by the yeer cleer In the place I came to finding it a troublesom business to take up Tithes being paid except some four of the Parish by Butchers and Grasiers mostlie living either in the Borough or in the Citie I let out my whole Tithe and Gleab for One hundred pounds by the yeer Whence deducting the Annual payments of Tenths and Subsidies to the King the Procurations to the Bishop and Arch-deacon the Assessments for the poor wherein I was rated as deep as anie in the Parish for his personal estate the yeerlie Salarie to the Curate whom I found in the place the same that the Doctor had before allowed him which tho in regard of his mean parts I could have in my teaching no help or ease from him yet in respect of his povertie having a Wife and Children I was fain for divers yeers to continu unto him until he could furnish himself with some place elswhere and when he left me larger means to one of better abilities from whom I might have some assistance in the work of my Ministerie These disbursments I say deducted and laid altogether the improvment I suppose wil appear to have been no such great matter And this was the main matter that I enjoyed here for Ten yeers together not receiving ought of constant payment from the main Bodie of the Parish save from some three or four for the Land that they held There had indeed been ancientlie a Rent-tithe paid upon the houses as in the neighboring Parishes also then was and stil is And that even then also as by the Church-Book appeared under some not-preaching Ministers when the Inhabitants besides that payment were fain to maintain one to Preach with them at their own charge But this had been intermitted and my Predecessor after some yeers enjoyment of it by his own miscarriage of the business put beside it For there falling o●t much contention between him and some of the cheif of the Parish they set some of the poorer sort on work to denie him payment thereof Whom he thereupon sued in the Ecclesiastical Court and made proof there by sufficient witnesses of the constant payment of it for above Threescore yeers past But when sentence was readie to pass a Prohibition came out of the Common Pleas. Whither the business being transferred the Doctor not wel advised joined issu amiss with them and so being cast in the Suit was debarred from recoverie of ought for himself tho it were no bar unto anie his Successor For Ten yeers it thus lay asleep or dead rather after his decease and mine access to the place Nor did I receiv a pennie all that while in lieu of it from the main bodie of those among whom I constantlie exercised my Ministerie But having sat so long qietlie and my charge encreasing and being enformed of a Record in the First-fruits Office whereby it appeared that in the valuation of my Rectorie taken upon Oath in King Henry the Eighths time the Tithe on Houses was included as a third part of its valu at a certain rate according to which valuation I paid my yeerlie Tenths to the King for it I made a motion to my people that since it was agreeable to conscience and eqitie that the Minister of the Word who took pains constantlie in the exercise of his Ministerie with a people ought to receiv a constant maintainance and consideration for it from them And that as I conceived even by the Law of the Land such a particular consideration was du unto me and had from time to time been made good to my Predecessors My reqest therefore was That I might without suit or trouble either to them or my self with mutual love and agreement receiv it or somewhat in an eqitable manner proportionable to it To this the answer of the most was That for my self they were wel content and willing to do somewhat that way but they knew not who might come after me and were loath therefore to oblige themselvs to ought as a du While thus the business hung in suspence and nothing done good words onelie given that seemed to be as a dilatorie plea some of the better affected moved that without breach of Charitie or offence taken on either side a Trial at Law might be had in a peaceable and amicable proceeding whereby the right of the demand might appear what it was and either side rest in the issu thereof To this purpose a ●uit was set on foot by a Bil in the Excheqer Chamber Wherein it was evidentlie shewed and in a fair and solemn hearing made to appear That such a Tithe as was before-mentioned was du to the Rector of Rederith as also it was discovered which Mr. Noy then but a yong Lawyer pleading in my behalf so cleared that all the Barons to the Lord Treasurer reqiring their opinion therein attested that he was in the right that the Doctor my Predecessor had miscarried in his suit by joining issu amiss and the judgment therefore given against him nothing concerned us our plea being on a divers ground Upon the cause thus heard a Decree was passed to put me in Possession of the Tithe upon the Rents of Houses as in other the Neighbor Parishes it had been was then and is stil paid Howbeit when it came to be demanded some being willing to pay and some refusing to prevent further suits that might after arise it was by mutual consent on both sides agreed that the business should be referred to certain Arbitrators on either side chosen and what was by them concluded should by a new Decree in the same Court be confirmed which was accordinglie done and an Agreement so made and ratified that in lieu of Tith on Houses Fortie pounds should be paid me yeerlie by Ten pounds a qarter to be assessed upon the wealthier sort of Inhabitants the poorer people being spared and to be gathered by the Church-Wardens for the time being and by them qarterlie paid in to me Which yet for the most part came short more or less everie qarter as by my Receipts may appear And this when fullie paid added to the former was the greatest sum that I yeerlie received all the time of mine Incumbencie which yet comes nothing near to that which this mans slanderous tongue says I receiv And I may trulie and boldlie avow it That during all the time of mine abode in this place what in maintainance of my