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A88101 A discourse of disputations chiefly concerning matters of religion, with animadversions on two printed books, (mentioned in the contents following next after the epistles:) the latter whereof, at the request of Dr. John Bryan, (for censure and advice) being seriously perused; the author of it, John Onley, is thereupon convinced of error, slander, and of arrogant, uncivill, and unchristian miscarriage, not onely towards him, but all the reformed churches of the world, out of the way of his most affected singularity. By John Ley, rector of the church of Solyhull in Warwicksh. Whereto is added a consolatory letter to Dr. Bryan, &c. upon the death of his worthily well-beloved and much bewailed son Mr. Nathaniel Bryan: which immediately followeth after the discourse of disputations. Ley, John, 1583-1662. 1658 (1658) Wing L1877; Thomason E938_1; Thomason E938_2; ESTC R205182 106,562 123

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and mine own I professe my self Sir Your sincerely devoted servant JOHN LEY ERRATA IN the Epistle to Samuel Ebrall Esq in the second Page l. 6. r. Mr. O. Pag. 1. l. 7. dele two r. Parenthesis p. 2. l. 18. r. your p. 3. l. 5. r. altercation P. 4. in marg r. arrogantia p. 5. l. 5. r. 40. in marg r. 26. r. Roscius l. 29. r. discovered p. 6. r. l. 20. r. Trapp l. 18. r. Butler p. 7. l. 1. r. catholicks p. 8. l. 19. r. may p. 10. l. 11. r. Venice p. 15. marg r. quod p. 16. l. 37. r. challenges p. 19. l. 25. r. 1. of God p. 21. l. 24. of man p. 22. l. 11. r. Genoa l. 29. r. all night p. 26. l. 1. r. rightly in marg r. deletum p. 28. l. 2. r. dissentire l. 8. adde for p. 29. in marg r. Possed p. 34. l. 6. r. to l. 22. r. things in marg r. ab p. 35. l. 26. r. Expositors p. 37. l. 5. r. the. p. 38. l. 29. r. Papinus p. 41. l. 12. r. Phflugius p. 44. l. 5. adde day p. 46. l. 33. add these l. 34. adde Campian l. 35. adde the Conference p. 47. l. 15. adde it p. 48 Chap. V. Contents of the Chap. adde with the causes of them l. 22. r. was p. 49. l. 1. r. two p. 51. l. 20. r. 1574. p. 53. l. 31. adde it l. 36. adde as l. 38. adde forenoted l. 39. r. some adde a doubt d. 54. l. 8. dele is p. 55. l. 15. dele in another Chapter p. 58. l. 10. adde as a fained l. 34. add to doubtful debate p. 62. l. 17. dele for l. 33. dele for Costerus p. 63. l. 7. r. and. l. 19. r. Costerus p. 69. l. 3. r. fifty l. 16. adde In. p. 94. l. 1. r. hinges l. 26. adde them p. 95. l. 21. adde a man to sleep p. 97. l. 8. r. helpless p. 100. over against l. 6. r. in marg So in the Disputation at Kenelnsworth published by Mr. O. P. 50. p. 124. l. 10. r. like To the VVORSHIPFULL my very worthy Friend Samuel Ebrall Esq Sir YOu were an hearer as I have heard of the Disputation at Killingworth betwixt Dr. John Brian and John Onely but as he hath set it forth in print it would be more suitable to say Dr. John Onely and John Brian so far hath the arrogancy of the man magnified himself without due respect to the modesty of a Christian the ingenuity of a Scholar and the discretion of an ordinary rationall man and so much hath he vilified the Doctor in another book published by him since whom all men who know him and are of any note for Learning and Religion highly honour for a very eminent degree of them both and for his excellent faculty and indefatigable diligence in Preaching and Catechising there be very few who are comparable to him Nor do I know Mr. Onely his match among the Antipaedobaptists as he calleth his Assistants at the disputation at Kill for insolence of Spirit supercilious contempt of such as are not taken with his Tenets Some I am sure there are who though they have too much affinity with some of his fancies and opinions shew much mansuetude and civility to those that steer their Ministeriall and Christian course by other principles yea and they hold religious communion with them in publick ordinances not distinctive But Mr. Onely as he hath a name of singularity so he is the fitter to be the ringleader of some notorious Schisme like Primianus a Donatist in the Collation at Carthage to whom if a denomination had been given him out of a time of faction according to his learning and manners it must have been not Primianus but Ultimianus This with my discourse of Disputations in matter of Religion mine animadversions on the printed Disputation hold at Kill and on Mr. D. his second book and my desired advice to Dr. Brian concerning it whether to answer him or no I have presented to publick view with a particular addresse unto your self that of a true and intelligent witnesse you may become an equall and competent judge of the difference betwixt the Dr. and Mr. O. super tota materia as now it is drawn out in his second book and I was glad of this occasion to testifie how much contentment I take in the situation of my Residence as in vicinity to yours whereby I have the opportunity of enjoying your good neighbourhood your friendly visits and many other affectionate offices whereto there shall be no want of any answerable returnes which come within the capacity of the hearty prayers and best observance of Your faithfull friend and humble servant JOHN LEY For the very Reverend his highly honoured Friend Mr. Iohn Ley Pastor of Solyhull Reverend Sir YOur Consolatory Letters I cannot sufficiently bless God and You for and therefore do again return my most humble and hearty thanks for your very great labour of love therein expressed withal earnestly craving leave to make them publick the doing whereof will I am assured redound much to the glory of God erecting many souls dejected for the like loss and furtherance of your own glorious reward in the great day of account and refreshing which shall come from the presence of the Lord. Sir there is another trouble fallen upon my spirit wherewith I take the boldness to acquaint you occasioned by an Examination of some of my Arguments for the truth of our Parochial Churches by my Antagonist John Onley which hath been abroad as I hear a long time but lately came to my notice by a Minister 20. miles distant I find the Book so full of bitterness and arrogancy that I question whether it be better to let the man alone or to answer him according to his folly I have sent it to you requesting your perusal thereof and your advice what I shall doe with all convenient speed which shall lay a further Obligation upon Sir your Fellow-labourer in the work of the Lord and bounden servant JOHN BRIAN To which Letter of Dr. Brian a short and summary answer is returned in the next leaf a full one in the whole discourse following A Table of the Contents of each Chapter CHAP. I. HOw some have been and are averse from or adverse to disputations in Religion how far and for what reasons pag. 3. CHAP. II. Of a contrary disposition in some too much addicted to disputation in being too forward to make or accept of offers of dispute and multiplying of needless and presumptuous questions and resolutions in matters of Religion p. 12. CHAP. III. That disputations on matters of Religion are warrantable by Scripture and Reason and not onely lawful but sometimes also expedient and profitable p. 17. CHAP. IV. An Historical collection of Disputations of several sorts principally concerning differences in matters of Religion in two Sections the 1. Containing examples from the Apostles to Luther 2. Of examples from Luther to the present