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A16617 Proposition. Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing howsoever Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618. 1605 (1605) STC 3524; ESTC S115519 10,814 30

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11.22 23 saying shall I prayse you in this I prayse you not For I haue receiued of the Lord that which I haue also delivered vnto you etc. Wherby it is apparant that that forme of administration which differeth frō the first institution is worthy no prayse and therfore no acceptable service to God For if the Apostle would not tolerate an indifferent thing as was a loue feast till then to continue so nere the L. supper whē it was abused how would they allow the chaunge of sitting into kneeling especially in these two considerations First because the abuse of loue feasts viz. superfluity was never so great and scandalous in the Apostles time as the abuse of kneeling viz. Idolatry was and is in the sinagogue of Rome And besides Loue feastes were either before or after the L. supper wheras kneeling is in the principal part of the holy Communion Therfore if the Apostle banished Loue feastes from the L supper because of the abuse brought the Church to the simplicitie of the first institution Is it not a tempting sinne to retaine the Idolatrous kneeling of Papistes and reiect the exemplary sitting of our M. Christ And the rather because it is in that sacrament in that part of the sacrament which especially setteth forth our communion with Christ his Church and is therfore called The communion 1 Cor 10.16 17. In du● consideration wherof how can wee imagine that Christ hath any honor by our kneeling Seeing it swarueth not only from his example but also from the practise of all reformed Churches except in England Concertatio Ecclesiae Cathol in argu which the Papistes them selues call Puritan-papisticall for retainyng this and other popish corruptions and S●ing it may be an argument especially to a papist not vnderstanding our tongue that we haue communion with Antichrist his sinagogue at least in the Idolatry of bread worship Which our failing or carelesnes to avow our communiō with Christ and his church and not abhorring all cōmunion with Antichrist his sinagogue cannot be without grevous sinne Or els Paul sinned Gal 2.11 12 1 C●o 11.16 2. Cor. 6.15.17 Deut. 12 30 3● when he rebuked Peter for not holding communion with the Gentils converted and wrote without good warrant where he saith If any lust to be contentious we haue no such custome neither the Churches of God in another place VVhat communion hath Christ with Beliall Come out and touch no vncleane thing Doth not God streightly forbid vs to serue him as Idolators doe their gods These things cōsidered Can kneeling wherwith Papistes doe honor their breadē God be honorable to Christ in his holy sacrament Secondly whereas the end of a sacrament is to informe the outward man by sensible demonstrations it pleased our M. Christ to vse such a gesture as agreably with bread and wine setteth out our communion and spirituall familiaritie with him and reioycyng in him And therfore as he saith Reuel 3.20 Math 8.11 If any heare my voyce and open the dore I will come in to him and sup with him and he with me so he saith Many shall come from the east and west and shall sit with A braham etc. By which places it appeareth that as by supper so by sitting familiar reioycing or rreioycing familiarity is expressed In which respects the cōmunion is called the Lords supper not A Sacrifice we are said to be pertakers of the L. table not of an alter 1 Cor. 11.20 10 21 And therfore not kneeling and sitting is for receiving Wee read not of any gesture of bodie prescribed or observed in Circumcision and Baptisme as in the Passover L. supper Because there needeth no materiall regard to be had of any certaine gesture in the 2. Exod 12.11 Numb 9 3.11.12 Math. 5 17. 26.20 former sacraments so the foreskynne were cut of and water be vsed But in the other two a gesture answereable to the action is requisit And therfore God prescribed to his people when they were to flie out of Egeipt the gesture of loynes gyrded staues in their hands because the eating then of the passover was in hast But that gesture being but for that time as may appeare by the omission therof when the observation of the passover was established our Master Christ who came not to break but fulfill the law and knew what was fitest to be done did not eate the passover sitting a gesture more answerable to eating in peace than the former vsed in Egeipt Wherby kneeling is convinced as being a-gesture altogether vnanswerable to eating And the rather because it darkeneth the counsell of God Iob. 38.2 1 Cor. 11.25 26. and beyng a signe of the greatest Submission obscureth that Reioycing familiaritie which the L. supper signifieth and sealeth Doe we not condemne the papists for ministring the communion in one kinde because such an administration is against Christ his example and doeth not liuely demonstrate the Lords death Here a caveat is to be given that none take occasion by this discourse to iustifie the childish paedagogy of signifiynge ceremonies devised by man Seeing sitting was vsed by Christ and the signification thereof is found in scripture And therfore that childish paedagogy is not iustified by that worthy servant of Christ M. Cartwright his iudgment viz. That sitting doth signifie our rest in Christ Iesus That kneeling may be more soundly conuinced as a wilworship obiections are to be answered Therfore where it is supposed that Christ and his Apostles ministred receiued sitting but by occasion and not of purpose because they were sitting before in eating the passeover wheras if Christ had sitten down of purpos to administer the cōmunion then all that is said is graunted to be some purpose The answer is short yet full Christ did sit of purpose when he ministred his last supper For after the passeover he rose washed his disciples feet and sat downe againe If it be demaunded why the Church is not bound to the time of evening as well as to the gesture of sitting sith Christ obserued the one as well as the other It may be answered Time being a common circumstaunce to every action for nothing can be done but in some time the perticular time is not to be obserued Ioh 13.4 1● Gen 2 2 3 except Christ had sanctified it to the communion as God sainctified the 7. day on which he rested Math. 26.31 45 L●k 22 53 or at least chosen it of purpose as he did sitting But wheras it was vpon speciall and necessary occasion for the passeover must eaten before the L. supper could be instituted insteed therof and presently after supper the hower came when Christ was to be betrayed therefore if the Iewes transgressed not the institution of the passover by chaunging a gesture at the first prescribed by God according to that their present occasion in another fitter for a tīe of rest much lesse doe
A PROPOSITION CONCERNING KNEELING in the very act of receiuing Howsoever Published to satisfie professours yet humblie Submitted to the iudgment of Prophets Rom. 14.10.11.12 VVhy doest thou condemne thy brother For it is written I liue saith the Lord and every Knee shall bow vnto me So then every one of vs shall giue accountes of himselfe vnto God Cor. 10.14.22 Flee from Idolatry Yee cannot be partakers of the Lords table of the table of Deuils PRINTED 1605. To my Christian frend N. grace peace Howsoeuer it greiueth mee to heare of much more to se the troubles wherewith Sathan knowinge his time to be short doth trouble the Church of God in all places about vnprofitable and Popish Cerimonies yet to tell you the whole troth my greife is the lesse when I consider that both they them selues who be most troublesome and do most vrge those Reliques of Rome be ambitious Rom. 16 17 18 Phil 3 2 19 Gal. 6.12 or Dumme Dogges or non Resident seruing their bellies and minding Earthly thinges euen like their Predecessors who vrged the Cerimonies of Mozes in the Primitiue Churches and their proceedinges like them selues be so exorbitant that they cannot but proue odious to all men VVhat a-matter is this that after the Sacramentall Bread is ministred the Cup should be denied because of not kneeling If any of theis scrupulous Ministers had played such apart thoughe it were with one openly knowne to liue in sinne notorious without repentance whom by the 26. canon no Minister shall in any wise admit to the receiuing of the holy Communion how would that Precisian be trounced But in this Puritan Gouernement of the Church there is no fault but non consormitie to superstitious vanities A Bird of theit fether may Preach scores of Popish Doctrines be scandalous in life and at his last cast at dice when he hath lost all say In the Spite of God let him do now what he can and yet hould his owne well inough An other mans owne and ill inough I mighte well say if the law might haue due course well God amend all and restraine the remnant of this Rage In meane while I reioice to heare that it is giuen to any of Gods people not only to beleiue in Christ but also to suffer for his sake hauing the same fight which they see or heare to be in their Ministers Phil 1 27 as it becommeth the Ghospel of Christ the sincerity wherof belongeth as well to the people as to the Ministers of Christ for howsoeuer all are not to weare the whore of Babilons Smocke yet all are to make consience of bowing the knee to Baal To confirme your zeale against the superstition of Kneeling I haue longe sought being often solicited so to do by you and at length found a short but in my poore iudgement at least to mee a sufficient discourse which I haue printed that I may comfort not onely you but many other also who are in doubt with that comfort wherewith I my selfe am comforted of God I say Comforted For when the iudgment is satisfied the heart is comforted This onely I requyre of you that there be no inquiring after or gessing at the author or publisher If that hurtfull curiosity were mortified learned men now fearinge that humor would be boulder to wright and publish their Godly iudgments touching points in cōtrouersy among other I heare of a more larg learned treatise of this point which no doubt the authour will publish in time or other for him if cursous heads itching eares and wanton tongues do not hinder In meane while let vs make as good vse of this as wee can And the Lord give vs vnderstanding in all thinges Farewell KNEELING IN THE VERY acte of taking eating and drinking the Sacramentall bread and wine in the holy Communion cannot be without sinne IT is to be vnderstood that howsoeuer Kneeling may in it selfe considered be esteemed a naturall gesture of the body as standing sitting etc. yet in this case it is by Institution of man For neiher nature nor custome doth teach vs ordinarily to knele when we eate drinke neither doth the word require Kneeling in this case If it be by Institution it must be either in respect of a more reuerēt receiuing or Not. But if the most soleme signe of reuerence vsed in theis partes of the world be with out all respecte of reuerence and that by Institution of authority in so high a part of Gods seruice may not suche Kneeling be iudged if not a grosse mocking of Christ as was the souldiours their bowing of knes before him Math 27.29 Mal. 1.6.7 yet a taking of the name of god in vaine Seing all significatiōs of honour in Gods seruice ought to be to the honour of his name Ier 4.2 2 King 5.18 and an othe not religiously intended as in the nature therof it ought to be to the honour of God is the taking of Gods name in vaine Did Naaman newly brought to the knowledge of God attribut so much to bowing in the house of Rimmō when his master leaned on him so that it was not his volūtary act And shal we who haue had the Gospel long kneeling by institution and determination in a principall parte of Gods seruice make no accoūpt whether wee honour god or no by such kneeling If kneeling be Instituted for a more reuerent receuing then it must be either in regard of God or of bread and wine If in regard of god then must wee be well perswaded that such kneeling is an acceptable seruice vnto his Maiestie Rom 12.1 11 5 2● Isa 29 13 Math 15.9 And that this may be we must consider whether such kneeling be a wilworshipp or a seruice reasonable and according to Gods will Least otherwise we finde our selues so far from honoring God as that we provoke him As did Nadab and Abihu Levit. 10.1 ● 3. who offered incense but not with the very fire which God appoynted 1 Chro. 13.10 15.12.13 and were therfore devoured with fire And as did King David the preists who caried the Arke otherwise than it ought to haue been and therefore Vzza died for it with a sodaīe death For God wil be sanctified if not By yet In all them that come neere him But kneeling is contrary to the example of Christ and his Apostles Luke 22.14 1 Cor 11 1● who ministred receiued sitting or in such a gesture as in those countryes was most vsed at eating From which example to differ without warrant from Gods word cannot be without fault Seeing examples of holy men much more of Christ are to be followed except there be some reasonable cause to the contrary And the Apostle to reforme an abuse which crept even in their times into loue feastes which were immediatly before or after the Lords supper did banish them thence reduced the manner of administring the Lords supper to the first institution 1 Cor.