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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
love_n	abide_v	commandment_n	love_v	4,085	5	7.5826	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A45823	A contention for truth: or, an impartial account, of two several disputations The one being on Munday, the 12th. of Feb. And the other on Munday, the 26. of the same month, in the year 1671. Between Mr. Danson of the one party, and Mr. Ives on the other, upon this question (viz) whether the doctrine of some true believers, falling away totally and finally from grace, be true or no? Published to prevent mistakes, and false reports, concerning the said conferences. By a lover of truth and peace.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1672 (1672)	Wing I1095A; ESTC R222598	83,987	220

have followed me in the regeneration or in the Resurrection shall sit upon 12 Thrones judging the 12 Tribes of Israel Now this promise seems to be absolute and Judas was one of those 12 to whom it was made but the condition implyed was that they should alway to the end continue in his service and therefore Judas falling away and not performing the condition never came to receive the fruition of the promise Again 1 Sam. 2.30 I said indeed that thy house the house of thy Father should walk beforeme for ever but now the Lord saith be it far from me for them that honour me I will honour c. So the Land of Canaan is often promised to the seed of Abraham for an everlasting possession yet Deut. 4.27 the Lord tells them that if they corrupt themselves He will scatter them among the Nations and they shall be left few in number among the Heathen where he will lead them And so Ezek 11.17 18 19. God promises as one would think upon the first view absolutely that he would gather Israel from among the People and give them one heart and put a new spirit in them but yet he tells them in Chap. 36.27 37. v. compared together that he will do this upon a condition as is there exprest yet for all this will I be inquired of by the house of Israel and so Jer. 31. Jer. 32.40 41 there we read of a Covenant which some call absolute but I must needs say an absolute Covenant in their sense is absolute non-sense in which God promises many things but yet he tells the same People Isa 55.3 That IF they will incline their Ears and come to him he will make an everlasting Covenant with them even the sure mercies of David in this sense God's promises that sem absolute in form are to be conditionally understood As he that believeth on the Son hath everlasting Life and shall not come into condemnation John 8.34 John 5.24 Psalm 125.1 He that trusts in the Lord shall be as mount Sion that never shall be removed Now if these promises are absolute then this must be the sense of such Scriptures that if men have once truly believed and trusted in God they shall inevitably be saved let them hereafter trust or distrust believe or disbelieve or whether they be not or whether they be Whoremongers Adulterers or Idolaters yet they shall be saved and abide for ever Now if this be not the sense then these promises and all of that kind must be understood conditionally that he that believeth and continueth in believing and that trusteth in the Lord and continueth in so doing upon these tearms and conditions he shall be saved and abide for ever and to this agrees all these plain and express Scriptures which being well considered will explain all those texts and promises that seem to be absolute as to the form of them John 5 10. IF YE keep my Commandments ye shall abide in my Love and John 14.23 IF any man love me he will keep my sayings and my Father will love him and we will come unto him and dwell with him 1 Col. 1.21 22 23. And you that were in time past Strangers and Enemies in your minds by wicked works now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh to present you blameless and unreproveable in his sight IF YE continue in the Faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the Gospel c. Heb. 3.14 We are made partakers of Christ IF WE hold fast the beginning of OUR CONFIDENCE firm unto the end Rev. 10. be thou faithful unto Death and I will give thee a crown of Life Mat. 24.13 he that endureth to the end shall be saved Heb. 10.38 the just shall live by Faith but if he draw back my Soul shall have no pleasure in him Much like these promises that seem absolute are such Scriptures that promise eternal Life to men without any exception or making the least question of their perseverance when that life and blessing promised is suspended upon their change as he that believeth shall not see Death and he that drinketh saith our Saviour of the Water that I shall give him shall never Thirst this plainly implies that these promises suppose their continuance in so doing so Christ saith he that confesseth me before men him will I confess before my Father which is in Heaven whosoever shall deny me before men him will I deny before my Father which is in Heaven Mat 10.32 33. Now Judas did confess Christ before men but he had no right or claim to this promise because he did not Persevere in this confession in like manner Peter denyed Christ before men but he was not denyed by Christ before his Father in Heaven because he did not persist and dye in the denying of him But yet we may see that the promises of the one and the threatening of the other is made without exception and wherever we read of any such promises a possibility of a change is supposed for when the Scripture saith He that believeth in the Son bath everlasting Life and shall not come into condemnation it doth no more suppose it impossible for that man to fall away and have this promise suspended then the other text that saith He that believeth not shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth or remaineth upon him doth suppose it Impossible for this man ever to believe and to have the wrath of God or the execution of vengeance suspended upon his believing to this may be reduced all Scriptures that seem to promise a blessing or threaten wrath according to mens present state and condition though both the one and the other may be suspended upon their change and that an impossibility of a change is not to be understood more by the one Scripture that promises Salvation to the believer then by the other that tells us wrath remains upon the unbeliever But to this it is usually replyed that though it be true there are promises that are conditional yet God hath promised to perform those conditions for them to whom be graciously makes such promises and therefore it is not possible for any True believer to fall away finally This perswasion is grounded upon the promises of the second kind that I before premised and they are such promises as 2. Thes 2 3. But the Lord is faithful who shall stablish and keep you from evil Phil. 1.6 He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 8 9. Who shall also confirm you to the end c. 1. Pet. 1.5 Who are kept by the mighty power of God through faith unto Salvation Phil. 2 12 13. Work out your own Salvation with fear and trembling for it is God that worketh in you to will and to do of his good pleasure 1 Thef 5.24 Faithful is he which hath called you Who also

beginning shall remain in you you also shall continue in the Father and in the Son And he that abideth in him s●nneth not 1 Joh. 3.6 This is the man that is born of God and that doth not sin as others while he abideth and 1 Joh. 2.14 I have written to you young men because you are strong and the word of God abideth in you But this doth not suppose it could not but remain and abide For the 28 v. Exhorts those little children to abide in him that they might not be ashamed at his coming and so John 14.6 Christ doth promise the Comforter shall abide or remain with the disciples for ever but that doth not suppose it was impossible for them to fall or that they could not but remain True believers for he afterwards tells them John 15.2 That every Branch IN him that did not bear Fruit he would TAKE AWAY and v. 10. IF you keep my Commandments you shall abide in my Love Mr. Danson The seed of God remaining because this is an ambigious word what we are to understand by it I ask you what do you mean by it Mr. Ives What do you use a tearm in your Argument and ask me what I mean by it and confess it is ambigious this is very strange Mr. Danson We may possibly disagree about the meaning and import of it by the seed of God remaining I mean a principle of grace remaining that I mean by it Mr. Ives I do not know what you mean by a principle of grace for the word is not in Scripture Here a great many of Mr. Danson 's side fell a laughing Mr. Ives Do you know what you laugh at shew me any of you where there is such a word if you can in all the Scripture Mr. Fowler Pray what do you understand by the seed of God Mr. Ives I will tell you what I understand by the seed but let me by the way tell you that similitudes are no proofs I confess they are good for Illustration but not for Confirmation and you should have explained it before you used it I mean by the seed The word of God Here those of Mr. Dansons Judgment and also he himself laughed again to the disturbance of the Assembly and not a word was spoken by Mr. Danson to quiet them Mr. Ives What do you laugh at Do you know I give the same interpretation as Christ himself gave he saith The seed is the word of God Mat. 13. Luke 8.11 Mr. Danson Do you understand that here Mr. Ives I do and why do you laugh you may as well laugh at Christ himself for I give his exposition and besides I will shew you that the Apostle Peter himself calls it the incorruptible seed of the word 1 Pet. 1.23 24. Mr. Danson No it saith born of incorruptible seed by the word of God Mr. Ives The Scripture saith the seed is the word of God now you must prove according to this interpretation that those that have the seed nay take it as you will that this seed remains and cannot but remain Mr. Danson I will prove it Those to whom God hath made a promise that the seed shall remain in them it shall remain But to True believers God hath made a promise that the seed shall remain Ergo Mr. Ives I deny the Argument It doth not prove the thing in Question Mr. Danson It doth Mr. Ives What! Doth it prove this that they shall alwaies continue True believers and it is impossible for them to continue otherwise You might as well have said that God Blessed the house of Obed-Edom because the ark of God remained with him therefore Obed-Edom could do nothing to cause the ark of God to depart from him as say that believers are blessed in being kept from gross impieties because the seed of God remains in them that therefore they cannot be impious and the seed of God cannot neither at present nor future let them do what they will but remain in them Here Mr. Fowler interposes again Mr. Fowler That the seed of God doth remain and cannot but remain this proposition you impose upon him he proves it doth remain those to whom God hath made a promise that the seed shall remain there the seed doth remain and cannot but remain But the first is true Ergo Mr. Ives If you please Mr. Fowler I will dispute it with you now if you will take Mr. Danson's place or else any other time but however let it be so now you have made his Argument for him but he did not conclude the Question before as you now do Those to whom God hath made a promise the seed shall remain it cannot but remain But to True believers God hath made a promise that the seed shall remain and cannot but remain Ergo Mr. Ives I deny the major Here one Mr. Loof interposes as he had done several times in the former dispute and in this too deny the major saith he you do not understand your self you mean the Sequel Mr. Ives Answers Mr. Loof Sir I deny rightly the Argument is Categorical but to please you I deny the consequence of the major proposition Mr. Danson I will prove it If the seed shall not remain in them to whom God hath made a promise it shall remain then the promises of God are untrue But the promises of God are not untrue Ergo therefore it shall remain Mr. Ives That is not the Question denyed those ●o whom the promise of God is made that it shall remain it must remain and cannot but remain I denyed that Mr. Danson Because otherwise God should not be True in his promises for I say that if the seed of God doth not remain in those to whom God hath made a promise of its remaining then the promises of God are untrue or God is false to his word But the promises of God is not untrue Ergo the seed of God must remain in those to whom God hath made a promise of its remaining Mr. Ives The consequence doth not follow that then God is not so good as his word and I will give you an Instance if you please that God may promise such and such things and yet he may not break his word though it doth not come to pass God promised to Abraham without any condition expressed or implyed in those words That the Land of Canaan should be to his seed and everlasting possession and yet two hundred years afterwards He tells them that he will scatter them among the Heathen and give their Land a possession to Strangers Now here God had promised the Land of Canaan an everlasting possession and this is your Argument If the Land of Canaan be promised to the Israelites as an everlasting possession then Israel must alwaies be in it or God is not so good as his word But God did promise the Land of Canaan as an everlasting possession to Israel Ergo Israel must alwaies be in it or God is not so good