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A32898 An old apostate justly exposed his treachery to the Holy God, his truth and people manifested, his great wickedness and uncleanness (which, by false covers, he has endeavoured to hide) laid open to the shame of him, and all his abettors : in a short answer, or some brief remarks, upon a very scandalous book lately published, stiled, The spirit of Quakerism, and the danger of their divine revelation laid open, subscribed, Henry Winder : also the nameless publisher therof, as justly reprehended for his enmity and great malice, in abusing an innocent people, by heaps of most gross lies, slanders, base insinuations and inferences, frothy and scurrilous scoffs and taunts, so void of Christianity, that probably no man, with a name, would undertake / by Thomas Camm. Camm, Thomas, 1641-1707. 1698 (1698) Wing C396; ESTC R21826 31,372 63

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Impudent Wretch And in Page 2. he saith That not long after came M. L. with the same Message And further in the same Page he saith We opposed them to Convince if possible by all the Arguments we could use that their pretended Revelations came from the Devil And in Page 3. Calls them Poor Deluded Creatures False Prophetesses and that he thought the Devil had led them so far that he could not bring them off without Confusion and Shame Now Reader I say again be pleased to compare what I have above Cited out of the three first Pages of his Narrative with what I have before taken out of their two Papers relating to Margaret Bradley and then consider when and in what time we shall believe H. W. and his Wife whether in what they say in their Narrative in the Pages aforesaid which they pretend was spoken in the Year 1673. or in their Papers written in 1674. the Year next following since they so positively Contradict each other For in the first Year 1673. She the said M. B. is an Impudent Wretch that her Message or Revelation came from the Devil a Deluded Creature a False Prophetess one that the Devil had in H. W. and his Wife's Thoughts led so far that he could not bring her back without Shame and Confusion c. But in their Paper under their Hands and owned as before said written in the Year 1674. next following fully contradicts what they would now say or pretend was spoken in the Year before for in this later Year she viz. Margaret Bradley is God's Messenger to them a Faithful Servant of God a Lover of their Souls one who Travelled in Pain for them desires that the Lord may Reward her for her Faithfulness between the Lord and them And concludes with that no doubt but the Lord hath already Rewarded her c. Now Considerate Reader which of the two is to be believed as true first or last or both which cannot be being so absolutely Contrary except they grant they wronged her in the first and that she was still what in the latter they say if they had rightly understood her and her Message and if the first be true and that she was worthy of such Vile Terms in 1673. then how comes she to deserve such an Honourable Character in 1674. was not her Message still the same if they alledge she was become a better yea a good Woman will that do no not to reconcile the the Contradiction before the Message being still the same and if the last be true and to be Believed as by them Subscribed to and since owned as before said written in 1674. then how will H. W. justifie his Prosecution of her at Law upon the Score of the said Message But I observe the Serpents Way is very Crooked full of Deceitful Doubles and he Deceives all at last who follow him by leading them where they cannot return without Shame and Confusion where the Reader may see he hath led H. W. and his Wife the old Proverb is Liers ought to have a good Memory And may it not be reasonably concluded by what is before said that it was the real Sense of H. W. and his Wife when their Papers were written they being then under the Sence of the Righteous Judgments of God for their great Sins viz. in the Year 1674. before they had hardened their Hearts against the Lord and that what is pretended to be spoken in the Year 1673. is but only Stuff through Enmity and Malice since entered into their Hearts against the Truth and God's People and now Introduced to Amuse and Deceive the Unwary Reader and with more colour to reflect upon and asperse an Innocent People as also to hide and cover their great Wickedness And in as much as they are Witnesses under their own Hands That she viz. M. B. was a Servant of God and his Messenger to them in 74. What notice is to be taken or credit to be given to what in the Year before is now pretended to be spoken upon her said Message but to be exploded and looked upon as the product of great Enmity against the Truth and People from which he is fallen and to Gratifie his Assistants and Abettors such as his Wife saith urged or put them upon Writing and Publishing in Print else they had never done it who together with them will justly for their pains reap Infamy and Shame For the Wickedness of the Wicked will return upon his own Head And if she was a Faithful Servant of the Lord and his Messenger to them as they say under their Hands in their said Papers I ask H. W. and his Wife what was the Message she brought them Was it what they have Inserted in their said Book which she Charged them with Then I further query of them how they will evade the matter of Fact Charged against them therein or excuse themselves from the Guilt thereof since they say She was to them God's Messenger c. For I find no other Message or Charge Inserted in the said Book Charged against the said M. B. and other two Women except what he mentions in Page 11. viz. They meaning the three Women or some of them had new Revelations saith he That I was guilty of the Death of some Person nearly Related to them and me But who this Person was or how Related either to them or him he mentions not but leaves his Reader in the Dark Wherefore I now Query if it was his first Wife he means for sure she was or at least ought to have been nearly Related to him but such Dishonest and Unfaithful Men to their Wives as he who loudly Lusts after others cannot Love or be so nearly Related to their own Wives as they ought to be and if it be his first Wife he means and yet Conceals her it might be Policy I will not say Wisdom except Devilish lest the nameing her might revive that Jealousie of wrong to her upon her sudden and unexpected Death and the Circumstances before Related That she that was his then and his now Wife was then under O how Gross things looks And it 's Irksome to me to meddle in such Dirty Stuff if it were not to wipe it off the Innocent and cast it back where it ought to stick wherefore I shall take notice of another great Circumstance of more Wickedness than was clearly Discovered That is that when the Sisters and near Relations of her that is now Wife to H. W. was Jealous of her being with Child about the time of the Death of H. W's first Wife and she thereupon being questioned yet stoutly denied they for better Satisfaction did search her and found Milk in her Breasts which I suppose is commonly taken amongst Women for an undoubted Token of being with Child except such as give Suck And their pressing that as a Certain Token of her being so yet she to blind them and to hide if she could her Condition replied
But that all Men as well as those called Quakers are as Men liable to err if they forsake the Conduct of that Eternal Uunchangeable Uunerring Spirit of Truth which leads into all Truth and is able to preserve out of all Error which these Men our Opposers slights and reviles 3. Cursed pretence to Divine Inspiration the strongest Hold of the Devil Answ Let him keep his cursed Pretence to himself Divine Inspiration we experience the Inspiration of the Almighty with the Effects thereof blessed be God according to Scripture To call which the strongest Hold of the Devil is not only a Lye but Blasphemy 4. Who knew all this Story 23 Years ago and should have disclaimed the Actors but did not c. Answ All the Story of H. W's as in his Book was never known before written nor could be because many things therein inserted were not true being Stuff added to amuse the Reader and abuse the Quakers It 's evident before that what was to be disclaimed was then done and in Testimony thereof tho' it discover his Enmity and Contradictions he has made some Acknowledgment in Page 24. viz. Some Friends who at the first Assizes persuaded the Women to do him Right by Confessing c. Next I shall repeat a whole heap of Lyes and Slanders which as he says he takes out of what he calls A further Essay by a learned peaceable compassionate Friend of ours wherein he saith He proves c. But I say Is not yet proved nor can be 5. From their many Impertinences and Nonsence in their Books which cannot without Blasphemy be attributed to the Holy Spirit 6. From the many flat Contradictions of one inspired Pretender unto another especially their Women 7. Their scurrilous Railing at their best Opposers 8. Their apparent Contradictions to plain Scripture 9. Miserable Perversions and gross Misinterpretations of Scripture 10. Their Noval Opinions not heard of before in the Church of Christ 11. The allowed Novelty of their Sect having no pretence to Succession 12. Their many Doctrines calculated to serve Popery instanced in Nine Heads of Doctrine wherein they agree with Papists against Scripture 13. Notorious Possessions and Witchcrafts 14. Many gross Blasphemies uttered by those so Inspired 15. VVallowing in gross unnatural Sins 16. VVild Attempts of long Fasting and Miracles 17. Contradiction to all other good Christians All which before-said I take out of less than two Leaves of the Preface to the Book aforesaid enough if there were no more for this nameless Publisher and him he calls our Learned Peaceable Compassionate Friend turning them all back as gross Lyes and impudent Slanders For which he that sits in Heaven will rebuke them And tho' the Publisher have Rabshacah like opened his Mouth wide against the Lord and his innocent People yet I shall in the Name and on Behalf of that People tell him his evil Design will be frustrated and his Eyes grow dim and Heart fail before he can ever prove what he hath wrongfully charged And I shall farther Answer them in the Words of Israel's God through his Servant Isaiah Chap. 37. Ver. 22 23. viz. This is the word which the Lord hath spoken concerning him The Virgin the Daughter of Zion hath despised thee and laughed thee to scorn the Daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head against thee Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed And against whom hast thou exalted thy Voice and lifted up thine Eyes on high Even against the Holy One of Israel 18. In Page 23. A strange Story this is Reader indeed and beyond the Power even of Quakers Impudency to deny since it was so long transacting so many Friends concerned in it c. Answ I say it is the Publisher's Impudency to cast upon the Quakers and a great Lye to say so many Friends were concerned it 19. In Page 28. What think of you these dear Sisters true Quakers they were and owned as such to the last Answ I say It 's not only a filthy Taunt but a shameful Lye 20. In Page 28. How many Christ's and Saviours will this People at length produce 21. In the same Page mentioning the Terms and Way of his meaning Christ's saving viz. They must value his Blood and submit to the Rule of his Word But the Quakers saith he like not such Terms therefore will have a Second meaning Christ or a Saviour 22. In same Page he saith Now shall we marvel that Quakers offer us a new Creed or Christianity and scorn our old Bible 23. Again in the same Page When their Spirit says we must have a Second Saviour a Carnal One too and who is within none but a single VVoman 24. Again in the same Page he saith VVas a fit Brother for their Christ within c. 25. In the same 28th Page he saith Is this all No we have more Christs among them c. See now Reader what heaps of Lyes this obscure railing Man belcheth forth to his shame And tho' he hide himself from Men by concealing his Name the Righteous God will find him out to Reward him according to his Works I deny them all as impudent Lyes But to proceed 26. In Page 32 he saith Then your Spirit Fancy or Flatus is your Supreme Rule c. Answ I say A horrid Lye and Slander That Spirit which leads into all Truth is that which we have always owned to be our Supreme Rule which if he had been led by would not have uttered so many Lyes and Slanders which manifests him to be of his Father the Devil who was a Lyer from the beginning 27. In Page 34 he faith So G. F. had the Humility to receive Adoration and VVorship c. Which I say is also another of his gross Lyes upon the Dead 28. In Page 35 he faith VVill G. F. deny it VVho declared himself equal with God and received VVorship c. I say It 's also another impudent Lye cast upon the Dead Let him prove what he charges 29. Again in same Page he saith As their meaning the Quakers Infallibility consists with Lyes and Self-Contradiction so can their Perfection stand with most abominable VVickedness c. Answ I say His Slander herein is abominable The Infallibility of the Eternal Spirit of Truth admits of no Lye nor Contradiction neither can abominable Wickedness stand with the Perfection that is the Product or Work of the Holy Ghost or Spirit in all true Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ And we cannot but bear Testimony against abominable Wickedness and all such as wallow therein as H. W. and other Apostates which makes them and this their obscure Publisher so grievous Angry to load us with so many Calumnies 30. In Page 37 he saith That Jesus descibed in Scripture was to seal up Vision and Prophecy Dan 9.24 Or to give such perfect discovery of God's Counsel and Will to the World that the Spirits extraordinary Gifts of Illumination should be no more necessary nor continued But the Quakers by