33. A rotten contagion creepeth at this day through the whoâ— body of the Church the 〈◊〉 the de perater the more inward the more deadly c. Ye be called Pastors when indeed ye be spoilers and would God the milke and fleece â—â—d suffice you ye thrist for blood The Arch Priest visiteth his charge to fill his purse he betrayethen â—ocent blood he filleth murders adultenes incests fornications c. Hokâ—â— in sap lib. lect 1â—2 The Priests or our age are like the Priests of Baal they are wicked Angels they resemble the Priests of Dâ—gâ—n they are priests of Prinpus and Angels of Heb. 〈…〉 123. Dâ—v 〈…〉 have been brought us against Clerkes 〈…〉 Bishops thâ—◠〈…〉 not their lives according to the â—â—cred Ca 〈…〉 which should be a â—â—at the 〈…〉 〈…〉 But who are dogs False Teachers who did barke against the doctrine of salvation by Christ pressed Circumcision as necessarie to salvation were returned to their old vomite and being formerly of Jews made Christians were fallen back to Judaisme And is there any Question but we must take heed of these and all others of the same kinde And this is that which Zanchy confirmeth by many other Texts of Scripture Viz. That not onely the Teachers but the Faithfull must learne to know and beware of ravening wolves blinde guides who bring not the doctrine of Christ denie all the Articles of Faith or some at least speake perverse things and draw Disciples after them But what is become of shame and honestie when men apply this against them that preach Christ truely and intirely and administer the holy things of God purely by authority received from God Or against communicating with them in the Ordinances of God who professe the faith are called to dispence the ordinances of Religion because in some particular their calling was not orderly as it ought or the persons endued with gifts as God requireth Further answere may be taken out of that which hath been spoken to the former passages for one answer will fit them all To communicate in the true Worship of God with Ministers no better than ignorant idle proud cruell covetous and profane Priests no better than Scribes and Pharisees is neither a vaine worship nor an abetting of the party in his sinne nor to rebell against the Lord nor to commit spirituall whoredome or to embrace the bosome of an harlot These are great words to affright but they are of no force to hurt if a man will not cowardly yeeld without any combate No to communicate with such when God called us thereunto is to worship God aright to reverence his ordinances to rely on his grace to hearken unto his voice and submit unto his good pleasure To such communicating he hath promised and vouchsafed his blessing their service is acceptable unto God because commanded by him and they have found him graciously present to cheere and refresh them It is without question the Prophets our Saviour the Apostles the Faithfull in all ages have communicated with such in Gods Ordinances but not in their sinne And what man well advised will say of that practice that it was either Rebellion against God or spirituall whoredom or vaine worship The Faithfull must not communicate with those societies in mind or body where Christ is not at all present with the presence of his grace and love nor in those polluted Congregations Rev. 18.4 where reall Idolatrie is so practised that they cannot be present but they must partake therein We have forsaken the Strumpet that made drunke the inhabitants of the earth with the wine of her fornication and are gone out of her lest wee should be partakers in her sinnes and receive of her plagues otherwise wee have divided our selves neither from God nor his Church Bilson Christ an part 3. pag 19. They must not communicate with false Prophets in things of their owne devising and which they bring meerly upon their owne braine and not at all from God but if ignorant scandalous corrupt men who neither please God nor are approved of him in their Office and Ministration in a societie professing the intire Faith of Christ doe by authoritie dispense the Ordinances of God the Faithfull may and ought to communicate with them if they want power to redresse and amend things out of order They must not Communicate in sin but they may and ought to hold Communion in the exercises of Religion with the true Church of Christ The sheep of Christ heare his voice but will not heare the voice of a stranger Joh. 10.5 But who is that stranger whom the sheep will not heare From whom they flie both in minde and body with whom they must hold no Communion CAN. Stay §. 11 p. 112 113. inward or outward Thus farre you extend the words of our Saviour and unlesse they be so meant they conclude not what you purpose Is every unlawfull Minister this stranger Deodat Itaâ— Joh. 10.1 Thieves and robbers are the false Doctors vvho thrust in themselves without a lawfull calling with false doctrine and an evilâ—n ind The true shepheard is onely Christ the rest are his servants and not the owners of the sheep The sheep must not rule their shepheards but they have leave to discerne strangers and flie from thieves and murderers Cyp. lib. 1. Epâ—st 4. Therefore the flock or people obeying the Lords Pâ—â—cepts and fearing God ought to separate themselves from a sinful Bishop Bilson 〈…〉 part 3. page 301. 353. CAN Stay § 3. p. 26. Jer. 23.14 15. Acts 20.25 26 27 28 29 30 31. Is every unlearned scandalous corrupt Minister this stranger Is every one whom Christ calleth a thiefe and a robber who enters not in by the dore but climbes up some other way this stranger Is every one that smiteth but feedeth not the flock that maketh sad the heart of the Godly strengtheneth the hands of the wicked mingleth the Truth of God with his owne dreames this stranger If these be not strangers meant by Christ much lesse the painfull godly sincere Pastor who feedeth the flock with sound and wholsome foode and leadeth them unto the waters of life And then this passage is impertinently alledged But all these cannot be meant according to your interpretation for then absolutely all communicating with them in the Ordinances of God is not forbidden but to receive their doctrine embrace their errours or follow their manners which was evermore unlawfull The Godly and Faithfull among the Jews might not refuse to heare the Scribes and Pharisees when they had no power to cast them out and yet they were thieves and robbers who corrupted the Law and without question spake most reproachfull things against the way and worship of God The godly could not be sure that the Pharisees would not deliver such things neither did they offend in being present at the worship of God and yet it will not follow that a man may heare any one or any where Thieves and
art 18. viz. when the place for Sacrifices was undetermined and then it had been Will-worship to put holinesse in places or opinion of worship But when God had chosen out and appropriated one place for Sacrifice and none other then it was a matter of necessitie holinesse and worship to sacrifice there and a great sinne to doe it any where else The reason hereof was not simply because it was not commanded for when it was lawfull to the Fathers of Old it was not commanded but left undetermined only and used by them as a circumstance or adjunct allowed not as a matter of necessitie holinesse or worship not could they have used it so without superstition as on the other side after the strict commandement given to Israel to sacrifice in the place which God had chosen and none other and the place of worship precisely determined for typicall signification it was a part of true worship in conscience necessarie for them to doe otherwise was grievously to transgresse and not to doe that which was commanded as necessary holy and worship had been prophanenesse For that which is commanded may not be neglected neither is any thing to be done which is repugnant thereunto But many things in the worship of God are not commanded or determined by God but left to the libertie of Christians many things were unprofitable and needlesse to be determined particularly by divine authoritie as being easily discernable by the light of nature and common reason and many things could not be determined because one order in them could not fit all ages times and places in the world The divisions of the Chapters and verses as they are in our Bibles and the Sections of the Law as among the Jewes are of men and so is the phrase of speech and method used in Prayer Preaching Administration of the Sacraments and the very words of Translations wherein the Scriptures are read and cannot be one and the same in all societies And so are the circumstances how oft at what houre on what day in what place the Pastor shall preach which are particular determinations of the Church and variable If you say these things are prescribed in generall and by consequence because they are done according to the rules of direction given in Scripture Of necessitie you must confesse the proposition is ambiguous for sometimes prescribed shall import as much as determined instituted commanded sanctifyed if not appropriated and sometimes it shall note no more but left at libertie or indetermined Neither will that sense stand in the proposition Synops purior theol disp 35. thes 17. Ab omni traditionum humanarum jugo liberas habeant conscientias cum solius Dei sit res ad religionem pertinentes praescribere for then it should be lawfull to place opinion of necessitie holinesse or worship in those things which are undetermined or not commanded of God which is contrary to the whole scope and drift of Scripture and the judgement of all Orthodox and sound Divines new and old To proceed more distinctly because it is a matter much insisted upon and as much mistaken and misapplyed by many Worship is as large as the Commandement nay as the whole Word of God Bald. de cons l. 4. c. 3. To the precepts of God nothing is to be added Deut. 12. Now God hath commanded these things which are necessarie The rites of the Church are not necessary wherefore if the abrogation or usurpation of any rite be urged as necessary then is an addition made to the commandement of God which is forbidden in the Word c. Dea. 12.2 4 1 2. 5.32 Lev. 18.4 Prâ—v 30.6 Ambr de parad c. 12 tom 4. Nihil vel 〈…〉 gratia adjungerâ—n â—s debemus mandato Nihil vel quoâ— bonum videtur addâ—ndum Addendo de proprio semipl â—um Dei intellexit esse mandatum Docetnos 〈◊〉 praesentis series lection is nequ detraâ—â—re aliquid debere diviris mand â—is neque addere For so it is ordinarily defined A worke commanded done in faith and then it must needs extend it self as far as the Commandement And if to obey God in conscience of his Commandement in all actions Civill and Sacred of Pietie Justice or Mercie be to Worship him then to beleeve whatsoever the Lord hath taught relying upon the truth and credit of the Revealer is worship also And hence it is that the Worship of God is usually divided into Immediate and Mediate Worship which comprehendeth all duties which we owe to God or Man Now if the way or manner of Worship be taken in this acceptation then the sense of the Proposition must be this That no action great or small done to God or man religious or sociall is lawfull unlesse it be prescribed of God And let us consider the passages of Scripture alledged by your selfe and others whether if rightly quoted they doe not affirme as much Whatsoever I command you that shall yee observe to doe Thou shalt not adde thereto neither shalt thou take ought from it To what might they not adde From what might they not diminish Is it not from the whole Law of God which teacheth the whole duty of Man both towards God and towards Man for the Lords sake Hereby the Lord establisheth his Word and his only and his whole word to be the intire rule of Faith and manners Hereby God appointeth his owne Word and Law to be the only rule of his Service without imitating the customes of others or devising any thing of their owne saith Master Ainsworth But if by the Service of God he understand the positive Worship of God only or the immediate only he straitneth the meaning of the Text overmuch Annot in Deut. 12.32 Procopius in loc verba enim Domini cum plena perfecta existant auctarium nullum admittunt Chrysost in 1. ca. 2. Epist ad Tim. hom 2. Siâ—quidem sidci dogma pervertat etiamsi angelus sit obedire noli Annot. in Lev. 18.4 Tert. de praescript advers haeret It is not lawfull for us to devise any thing of our selves nor follow that which others have devised See Cham. pansâ— tom 1. l. 8. c. 6. Rainold apol thes sect 2. p. 205 206 207. Hen Ainsw part 3. p. 150. He inferreth that generall admonition touching all the wayes of God and not the Ten Commandements only Doway annot in Deut. 4.2 12.32 Henry Ainsw 2. Answ p. 55. Prov. 30.6 Loe here all additions and not only things contrary are forbidden Ex. 23.13 Chrysoft oper imperfect hom 20. in 7. cap. Matth. Every Teacher is a servant of the Law because he may neither adde of his owne sense unto the Law nor according to his owne conceit taking any thing from the Law but preach that only which is found in the Law Qu. Co. p. 67. For it speaketh plainly of the whole Law and is fitly alledged to prove the perfection of the Scripture in all matters necessary to salvation and not
performed was directly contrary to Gods Commandement But they were bound to goe up to Ierusalem though the Priests there Ministering had entred unlawfully and executed their Offices corruptly because God had appointed they should appeare before him in that place and the Service there tendred was of the Lord and by his appointment though the Priests were ignorant proud profane covetous or the like The Faithfull entreate Christ To shew them where he feedeth his flock that they might not turne aside if the words will beare that interpretation to the flocks of his companions that is the Congregations of false Christs and false Prophets That which you adde by his Ministerie with his Spirit Word Seales and Censures And that there they might place themselves for instruction and government is not found in the Text and may be received or refused as it is understood If your meaning be that Christ by these means doth feed or rule his Flock it will easily be granted If it be this That no Christian may lawfully sit downe in any congregation where any one of these is wanting or not executed in all points as it ought you speak of your selfe and not by the warrant of Gods Word For where Christ doth feed his flock there may the Saints of God communicate in the ordinances of Grace and Religion though some be wanting or not so purely performed in all points as they ought though the Minister in some particular enter not as he ought or be not qualified as the Word requireth It is one thing to sacrifice at Bethel Deut. 12.5 Ho. 4.15 â—â—o 4.4 5.5 2 Cron 15.3 11 12 14 15 16. 13.9 10.11 12. which God hath straitly forbidden where is neither God Priest nor Law another to worship God according to his owne appointment though the Minister be not such as he ought I wonder if men doe not tremble thus to abuse and misalledge the holy Scripture Often doe the Prophets Jere. 23.9 Matth 7.15 Christ and his Apostles you say forbid men to heare those which thrust themselves into ministeriall offices not being sent of God and from the Church This last clause And from the Church is your glosse but not found in the Texts of Scripture quoted by you Perhaps you would cunningly insinuate That all Ministers not called by the Church or particular Congregation where they are to administer be false Prophets But this is to begge what you shall never be able to prove not to make proofe of that which is questioned Bilson Christ. Subject part â— p. 367. The Lord when he saith Beware of false Prophets noteth there shall be Prophets by their calling which shall be found false by their reaching as S Peter also witnesseth Pet. 2.1 2. distinguished from Godly Teachers not by office but by doctrine Ier. 21.14 v 26 Iere. 11.14 15. v. 21. Iere 6 14 8.11 Ier. 23.25 v. 26. v. 32. Ezek. 13.2 3.6 7. 2 Pet. 2.1 2. Most certaine it is the Prophets Christ and his Apostles doe all warne us to beware of false Prophets But who are false Prophets They who are not chosen called and ordained by the communitie of the faithfull where they are to Administer No or they whose outward calling in the Church is somewhat defective and disordered nay corrupt and sinfull Not so neither But they are false Prophets who walke with falshood and strengthen the hands of the wicked that they might not returne from their wickednesse who speak the vision of their owne hearts not from the mouth of the Lord. Who say to them that despise the Lord yee shall have peace who run when they were not sent and prophesied when God spake not unto them Who prophesie false things in the Name of the Lord the deceit of their heart and thinke to make the people forget the Name of the Lord and seduce the people with their lies Who prophesie out of their owne hearts and follow their owne spirit The Apostle describes them to be false Prophets who bring in damnable doctrines contrary to the doctrine of salvation which we have received and denying the Lord that bought them But this cannot be applied to them who preach the Truth of the Gospel intirely Of false Bâ—e thren see Gal. 2.4 2 Cor. 11.26 With Hereticks and Apostates be they Princes or pâ—ivate men no Châ—istian Pastor or people may Communicate Bilson Christ Subj part 3 p. 78. Infidells be without the Church of their owne accord and Hereticks be put out Idem 79. Matth 7.15 Bevvare of false Prophets Assentior Chrysostomo qui poshemam voâ—em non de haereti is sed de iit acripit qui vulge 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 noâ—lne dicebantur Tales autem esâ—è ut qui corrupâ—am vitam specie vi 〈◊〉 larva â—egâ—â— Lucas ni sallor eosdem aâ—t innâ—es 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lâ—â—k 20.20 Hers reâ—â— saâ—◠〈…〉 dispence the holy things of God according as they have received authoritie from God and labour to winne men from sinne unto God though in the entrance into their office or in the execution thereof there be somewhat erroneous faulty and of men Consider then how loosely the Premises of the Scripture and your conclusion hang together Wee must not joyne our selves to Congregations or Assemblies that are without Christ so the Scripture We must forsake Churches and Congregations of Christ this is your conclusion They must be forsaken that refuse the Covenant and worship strange Gods so the Scriptures Wee must forsake them who have received the Covenant and worship the true God in the mediation of Jesus Christ because they observe it imperfectly thus you must conclude or you fay nothing to the purpose If Prophets in the Old Testament had an ordinary outward calling the false Prophets might have a lawfull externall calling as well as the true and then God saith He sent them not because they preached the vision of their own heart lying and deceitfull words to strengthen the hands of the wicked and not the words of Truth to turne men from sinne They were not called of God because the work they went about was not the Lords but their owne But this reacheth not to godly Ministers who preach the Faith of Christ intirely and labour to draw men unto God nor yet unto them who in some sort are called of God according to his Will but not in favour or because he is pleased with their Administration to doe his worke though they be neither qualified as hee requires nor dispence the holy things of God sincerely and purely as they ought When you tell us we must beware of false Prophets you speake the words of Scripture but in your application of it to the Ministers of the Gospel and Congregations in England you robbe and spoile the sense of Scripture which is not the least degree of theft The Priests many times were no better than the false Prophets ut the people is never forbidden to communicate with theâ— in
inficiari quin prius in Christum creded runt quam fecerunt a nobis divortium unde haec fides Annon ex praedicatione in nostra Ecclesia Numquid ergo praedicare quis potest nisi mittatur Rom. 10.13 c. Quid ergo verbum propter labem aliquam externae vocationis tam perverse respuunt cujus vim divinam in cordibus sentiunt Etiamsi fructus ipse non magis culpâ liberat depravationes nostras quam vera proles adulterium Nec igitur nobis in iis acquiescendum est nec iis a nobis propter aliquos naevos deficiendum Quamobrem redite ad unitatem Ecclesiae quae vos genuit aluit Si fugiatis hunc Christum qui cum electis in nostris caetibus caenat ac eos vicissim excipit profectò nusquam invenietis Interim cogitemus etiam nos quantum nobis ipsis malum accersimus qui mordicùs retinendo superstitiones nostras fratres in tantum periculum coniicimus Certe si quid momenti habet quod olim confirmavit ipsa veritas praestaret hujusmodi hominibus suspensa mola asinaria in collis demergi in profundo maris Matth. 18.6 Vtrisque sanitatem mentis precor Here wee see the Non-conformists agreeable to the Scripture sound reason the consent of all Antiquitie and their own Principles doe plainely distinguish betwixt a maime or defect in the calling of a Minister and no calling at all that it is great ignorance or to speak most favourably inconsideratenesse to charge them as if they went against their own Principles in holding Communion with the Churches of England in the ordinances of Gods worship And if haste had not blinded Robinson against Bern. reasons discuss p. 285. this you might have observed out of the Separatists themselves There is saith one speaking of Baptisme in this point a further consideration to be had unto which both the Scriptures and our owne experience doe lead us namely that as the Lord hath his people in Babylon his I meane both in respect of election and of personall sanctification so hath he for their sakes there preserved notwithstanding all the Apostasie and confusion which is found in it sundry his holy truths and ordinances amongst which Baptisme is one But if his ordinances be preserved or any one of them true for substance of necessity some truth of Ministerie whereby those ordinances be administred must bee preserved also It is an injurie to the people as the Non-conformists hold Whitak de pont Rom. contr 4. qu. 1. cap. 1. Si velimus Christum ipsum respicere fuit semper ecclesiae regimen monarchicum si ecclesiae Praebyteros qui in doctrina disciplina suas partes agebant Arâ—stocraticum si totum corpus ecclesiae quatenus in electione episcoporum presbyterorum suffragia serâ—bat ita tamen 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 semper Praesbyteris servaretur Democraticum Dan. in 1 Tim. 5. pag. 352. that a Minister should be thrust upon them against their wills or whom they never saw nor heard of But if the people be few simple apt to be deceived unable to judge of the fitnesse of a Minister they stand in need of direction not onely from their owne Elders but from other Churches The practice of the Apostles will confirme this for sometimes men were propounded unto the Church to be chosen and sometimes the choice was wholly left unto them And was not this for our direction that more libertie may be given where the danger is lesse and more caution and restraint used where the danger is apparant that if they be left unto themselves either an ill or an unfit choice shall be made In reason it is evident for the childs consent is required in marriage and the more able he is to chuse for himselfe the more liberty may Parents grant him in his choice but if he be not able or lesse able the more watchfull must they be over him and so in this matter The Presbyters are to goe before the people in the examination Heb. 18.7 Tert. in â—pol c. 39. approbation and designement of a man fit for the Ministerie for they are guides to whom the chiefe care and direction of things Ecclesiasticall doth belong As for the people it is not their office and for the most part they are unable to judge of those things To the people therefore it pertaineth onely to give their consent to him that is chosen or to shew their reasons why they cannot approve of him who is propounded but no testimonie of Scripture no example no reason teacheth Kuclin Catech. Hollant de legit â—ocat Minist Th. 10. Plebâ—damus pâ—testatem propanendi si quas habetâ—e usaâ—ionâ—s caâ—sas that the whole businesse should be committed to the desires and requests of the whole and sole multitude The consent of the people is not required to the common election whereby a good godly learned fit Man was chosen to the Ministerie but to the singular election of a Minister whereby he is chosen to be set over this or that congregation Or if that expression be lyable to some exception Ion. animadâ— in Bell coâ—â— 5. l. 1. ca. 3. not 3. ca. 7 â—ot 7. Ibid. not 24.26 The consent of the people is not required in this Whether such a man be fit for the Ministerie and meet to be set apart for the worke of the Lord but whether he be fit or meet to be their Minister by whom they may be edified and builded up in Faith and holinesse Of the former they have no calling or right to judge but in the latter they have great interest Brotherly societie requireth that we mutually admonish exhort reprove and comfort each other as occasion is offered and when need requireth it is the duty of neighbour-Churches to lend helpe to their brethren in the choice and election of their Minister Iun Eccles l. 3. ca. 〈◊〉 For if Churches have not fit men amongst them for the Ministerie nor able men to make choice for themselves they are to be holpen in love without prejudice to their libertie and not to be discarded and cast off as unworthy the name of a Church When the Scripture willeth that one should admonish another it is not only a coÌ„mandement to every singular man towards his fellow Heb. 3.13 Rom. 15.14 Rom. 12.12 Carâ—w repl 2. par 1. p. 23 1. but also to one whol company towards another society St. Paul when he teacheth that all the faithful are meÌ„bers of one mysticall body of Christ who ought to have a mutual care one of another laid the foundation of this policie Bellar asketh Quo jure unus populus episcopum alterius populi eligere potest Junius answereth Bellar. de Clâ—r l. 1. c. 7. Iun. Ibid. cap 7. not 13. eccld 3. c. 1. Not 24. Certè charitatis jure communionis sanctorum nam populus infidelis ipse non potest eligere utpote nondum vocatus sed postea vocandus ad
the mouth of one witnesse though his testimony were received yet may no man be condemned See Beza annot Maier in Matth. 18.7 both their owne and Neighbouring Churches so did the Ancients The Ordination of Bishops by themselves alone or their Chaplaines and that of many at a clap so did the Ancients The thrusting of Ministers upon the people without their knowledge or consent so did the Ancients The ordination of Ministers without cure or charge so did the Ancients The ignorance idlenesse pride luxurie pompe covetousnesse contention and schisme of such as thrust themselves rashly ambitiously profanely into offices by favour monie flatterie or other corruption so did the Ancients They reprove these and such like abuses and humbly seek and sue for reformation but tolerate what they cannot amend and hold communion with the Churches of God in the Ordinances of Religion and so did the Ancients And if the Ancients did neither lay the grounds of Separation nor walke contrary to their owne Principles in holding communion it is great ignorance at least to charge the Nonconformists as if they walked not according to their owne rules when they doe not separate Nay if the Non-conformists should not disallow both your positions and practice of Separation they should not walke agreeable to their owne Principles or the truth of Scripture For you hold the power of the keyes originaliter and executivè is given to the community of the faithfull many or few yea though but two or three joyned together in a Church way This the Nonconformists approve not You hold it is necessary and essentiall to the calling of a Minister that he be approved chosen and ordained only by that congregation where he is to administer This the Nonconformists altogether dislike You hold all Ministers that be not chosen and ordained after your forme propounded to be unlawfull Idol Antichristian Ministers This the Nonconformists judge to be Antichristian The consequence of your Positions is this That since the Church of the New Testament was established upon the earth there was scarce a true lawfull Ministerie to be found where with the faithfull might lawfully hold communion in the worship of God This the Non-conformists doe detest and abhorre Of other your positions in the Sections following SEC III. CAN. Stay against Stray Sect. 1. pag. 4 5. WHatsoever God hath bestowed upon his Church as her priviledge the same is to be found in his Word But it is not mentioned there that Beleivers as their priviledge ought to heare Antichristian Teachers The proposition is unquestionably certaine by these Scriptures Psal 19.7 2 Tim. 3.15.16 Isai 8.20 Ioh. 15.17 Act. 20.27 Besides Contra Gentes this is the unanimous consent of learned writers The Scriptures saith Athanasius doe helpe us with the knowledge of every truth c. The first part which is only controversall is evident and cleere Anno. in 1 Cor. 10. §. 21. in 1 Reg. cap 5. v. 19. by these Scriptures Levit. 17.3.4 Deut. 12.5 Prov. 5.8 Hos 4.15 Matth. 7.15 2 Cor. 7.15 16 17. Rev. 18.4 Song 1.6 7. To this all sorts of Writers assent Zanch. on Phil. 3.2 The Authors of the Admonition pag. 27 c. Yea the Papists themselves Rhemists and Doway Translators ANSWER THe sinewes of this Argument are cut already in the first Section if ever it had any and therefore a few words may now suffice In this reason you take for granted that which is most false little lesse than blasphemie to wit that all Ministers in the Church of England be Antichristian For they are in respect of the substance of their office the Ministers of Jesus Christ set apart to preach the Gospel dispense the Sacraments and administer the Discipline of the Lord Christ and many of them the approved servants of Christ furnished with gifts from above sent forth by authoritie to preach the Gospel of God and dispense his Sacraments which they faithfully execute according to commission received from their Lord and Master the King of the Church who worketh by them and blesseth their labours if ever ordinary Ministers had cause to speake of and rejoyce in the blessing of God to the praise of his name But to let that passe Antichristian Teachers if I must speak in your owne language be of divers sorts 1. Such as be not called in every point according to your platforme or at least whose calling is in any respect maymed or defective though they be godly learned painfull every way fit set apart by authority and approved by the Church If Antichristian Teachers be taken in this sense true Beleevers living in societies with them are bound to heare the Word and partake in the Sacraments because they be the ordinances of the Lord Jesus who is present knocking at the doore of the heart and will come in and sup with them that open unto him So long as wee teach the same doctrine which the Apostles did we have the same povver and authority to Preach which they had Bâ—s Chrill 〈◊〉 part 3. p. â— Look what reasons soever can be alledged to prove that Christians ought to joyne together in holy communion the same will strongly convince that ordinarily or occasionally we must hold societie with such Ministers in the ordinances of piety and godlinesse And if this Ministerie be Antichristian divers if not most worthy Martyrs of Jesus Christ that have withstood Antichrist unto blood have stood under some ordinances in their first originall Antichristian or of men in some respects which did not overthrow though it might be some blemish unto their Ministerie 2. Such as be not rightly called by men because not rightly furnished with gifts or faithfully executing their place or teaching erroneous doctrines and traditions of men but yet set apart to an office which is of God and in communion of men professing the true Faith are called Antichristian Ministers And if it be taken in this sense the faithfull are bound in conscience to heare such if they live in their societies because they be the Ministers of Christ in a sort though they be not approved of him and doe his worke for the good of them that be heires of salvation But in so doing they doe not communicate with the Ministers of Antichrists apostasie but with the Lord Christ in his holy ordinance by such meanes as he hath appointed Hieron l. 1. Com in Eph. ad Galat. cap. 1. Hierome noteth that there are foure sorts who are employed in the businesses and affaires of Almighty God The first such as are sent neither of men nor by men but by Jesus Christ The second such as are sent of God but by man The third are such as are sent of man and not of God who are they that are ordained by favour of Men not rightly judging of the quality of them who are to serve in this calling Who yet are not simply denyed to be sent of God as if they had not commission from him but
concerning the Worship of God only Israel might not adde either to the Statutes or Judgements of the Lord and if by Statutes be meant Decrees for Religion or the Worship of God only which cannot be proved by the use of the Word by judgements they cannot be understood likewise By this saith Master Ainsworth God forbiddeth all inventions of men Eccl 7.29 the workes of their owne hands Jer. 25.6 and the Statutes of the Kings of Israel which they after made without the Commandement of the Lord. But the inventions of men respect the Commandments of God in generall and not the Ceremoniall Ordinances only nor yet the immediate worship of God alone He shall doe good service to the Papists that shall limit the Texts in that manner for by such like distinctions they seek to elude them when they are produced to prove the perfection of the written Word of God in all things necessary to salvation Ye shall take heed saith the Lord to all the things that I have said unto you But this cannot be restrained to the ceremoniall precepts concerning Gods Worship but must be referred to all things that God gave them in charge David prayeth Psal 119.133 Direct my steps in thy Word and let none iniquitie have dominion over me But what can be more plaine than that David doth not speake of the worship of God alone but desires that all his counsells thoughts manners actions might be directed according to Gods Word because the Word of God is the rule of all our actions In which sense also it may be affirmed That Negative conclusions in matters of faith and duties Hen. Aiâ—sw 2. Ans p. 55. The 〈◊〉 cited sc Deut. 5.32 12.32 Speak of Gods Commandements in generall you take one in particular and because one is not all therefore all must not be all A Dâ—spute part 1. cap. 4. p. 8. The lavves of the Church declare unto us what is fittest in such things as are in their own nature indifferent and neither enforced by the law of God nor nature Id. p. 21. As when the Church ordaineth that in great Townes there shall be a Sermon on such a day of the week and publike Prayers every day at such an hourt c. First book of Scotish Discip In great Townes we thinke expedient that every day there be either Sermon or Common Prayer c. Zanc. in quartum praeceptum in tract de discip Eccles in fine Calv. Instit l. 4. c. 10. §. 30 31. Eâ—fi fateamur non â—nviti ex insitâ naturali Dei â—ognitione ersi corrupta sequietiam in genere Deum esse colendum Item non solum interno affectu cultum illum fieridebere sed etiam externo actu Negamus tamen naturali leg determinatam esse speriem il am externi cultus Rivet in Gen. exercit 42. Sec Sculâ—et Ethic. lib. 1. Neither Angels nor men can make a Sacrament Caâ—seh art 4. p. 104. follow well from Scriptures silence If the way or manner of Worship be put for immediate Worship then it extends as large as the Commandements of the first Table and the sense of the proposition must be That no Worship publike or private must be performed to God for substance manner or time other than that which God hath prescribed in his Word which holdeth not true unlesse it be added That no worship must be performed as necessary and holy for substance manner and time which God hath not prescribed For what shall we say of the time of rivate Prayer in the familie or closet the forme of catechizing and translations of the Scripture the times for publike Lectures and exercises of Religion upon the week day and ordering and government of Schooles and Universities for these things are not for time words and manner prescribed or determined of God If the word Worship be taken more strictly for substantiall Worship commanded in or referred to the first and second Commandements usually known by the titles of inward and outward worship Naturall and positive instituted Worship though perhaps the termes be not so fit if better were found out then the meaning is that no Worship of God inward or outward naturall or positive is lawfull but what is prescribed and determined of God in his Word But then there want not difficulties for how should Worship be naturall if it must be instituted and prescribed If the light of nature or reason teach it which is planted in the heart by the singer of God how can it be unlawfull unlesse it be prescribed by an externall word of institution What shall wee say of outward gestures made in and upon the body to declare the hidden affection of the soule must these be prescribed and determined or fall under this censure When the Word informeth me to call upon God in the Mediation of Jesus Christ doth not reason it selfe without any further institution teach me to kneele lift up my hands c. At least if worship be naturall or positive must there be a distinction of the institution or prescription of this worship also Doth not positive Worship require one manner of institution naturall another If the way or manner of Worship be restrained to positive or instituted only it is most true No worship is lawfull which is not in speciall commanded or appointed of God in his Word But then the Texts of Scripture quoted by you for proofe will not speak unto it Ye shall not doe saith Moses after all things Deut. 12.8 which wee doe here this day every man all that is right in his owne eyes Some Greek copies have it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Others 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is according to the Hebrew Ainsw annot in Deut. 12.8 And the speech of Moses seems to mean the true Service of God which was not yet perfected neither could be in their travells Iun. annot in Deut. 12.8 Analy in loc P. Martyr in 1 Reg. 8. Vetabl Nefeceritis id est Non facietis omnino ut nos c. hodiè ante ingressaÌ„ viz. terrae sanctae hic facimus i. extra terram sanctam Deodar Italic Deut. 12.8 i. concerning sacrifice the law of which they did not observe exactly by occasion of the continuall wandring of the people Ainsw annot in Rev 10.19 Deâ—dat Ital. in Lev. 10 â—9 The Lord hath shewed great wrath against me by the death of my sons how then can I cate of this sacrifice to beare the siâ—s of the people according to the ordinary law the Lord not being pleased with me myselfe Others would have it That he could not eate because he was in heavinelle it bâ—ing â—cet he should eate those things with joy and thanksgiving Vatabl annos in Loc. as it was after in Canaan v. 10.11 Not that they sacrificed after their fancie saith the Geneva notes but that God would be served more purely in the land of Canaan Jun. upon this place noteth Etsi oblationuÌ„ lex unasemper fuit ab
repent a terrible judgement is denounced against her and yet the faithfull are never exhorted to flee from her society but to repent of her sinne and the promise is made for encouragement that if they open unto him Apoc. 2.20 hee will come in and Suppe with them and they with him If by a false Church you unde stand a visible society wherin the faire greater part is corrupt in the profession of Faith concerning the Articles of Religion and in the wo ship of God by adding and detracting in the substaniall meanes and transforming the object of worship it selfe corrupt in the calling and ordination of Officers the forme of government the Officers set a part for the worke of God and the lives and conversations of the members of that society If in this sense the false Church bee taken then it may and hath fallen out for a long time together that the true Church of God hath lyen hid in the false and that by Gods allowance and approbation Field of the Church lib. 3. cap. 8. in which case the LORD commanded the faithfull to bee present at His Ordinances and promised His blessing unto them though administred in a corrupt Church and after a corrupt manner The true Church in corrupt times hath been mixed with the false not as actuall members of that society as corrupt but as they have been hid in that society as good Corne overtopped with Weedes or a little gold or purer metall in a great clod of Earth God of his infinite mercy so providing for and preserving his poore people In time of the Iudges the Israelites did every man that which seemed good in his owne eyes that is Iudges 1.76 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ad bujus loci similitudinem legitur in Sederzata sic extitit seculum absque rege Ioseph lib. 5. c. 2. 1 Reg. 19 10. Rom. 11 3 4. Hosea 4 1 6. 2 Par. 13 5. Isa 1 2 3 4 21 22 29. Isa 57 3. Ezc. 14 5. Ier. 23 8 14 Lam. 4 13 14. Ier 2 8 11 13. Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Verse 26 27 Verse 29. worshipped God as hee pleased The Prophets testifie that the Church did not only faile in Israel but in Iudah likewise I have brought up Children and they have rebelled against me Ah sinfull Nation a people laden with iniquitie a corrupt seede How is the faithfull Citie become an Harlot Thy silver is turned into drosse and thy Wine mixed wiâ—h water They shall be confounded because of their Oakes wherein they delighted The Land viz. of Iudah is filled with Idols they worship the worke of their Hands the Priests said not where is the Lord and they that should minister the Law knew mee not saith the Lord. The Pastors also offended against me and the Prophets prophesied by Baal and went after things that did not profit My people have changed their glory for that which did not profit My people have committed two evils they have forsaken me the fountaine of living waters to digge them pits even broken pits that can hold no water The house of Israel is confounded they and their Kings and their Princes and their Prophets saying to the wood Thou art my Father All of you have forsaken me saith the LORD Her treacherous Sister Iudah feared not but went and played the Harlot also The backe-sliding Israel Ier. 3 8 11 11 13 14. Ezek. 16 46 47 48 51 52. Ier. 5 1 6 13 7 28 9 1. Isay 57 3 4. hath justified her selfe more than treacherous Iuda And as shee was thus horribly corrupted with Idolatrie so with profanenesse impenitency impudencie in sinning rebellion stubbornnesse oppression and what not But when all things were thus miserably disordered the faithfull in Iuda did not separate themselves from the Ordinances of Religion or withdraw themselves into a distinct visible societie from the rest In the age before our Saviours time it grew exceeding wicked againe Mat. 8.4 Mar. 5.36 Luke 7.4 5 9. Mat. 4.23 Mar. 1.21 Luke 4.6 Iohn 18.20 Luke 2.22 37 41. Iun. animad in Bel. contr 4. lib. 3. c. 16 s 14. But neither did our Saviour nor his Disciples before his death take upon them to crect a new visible Church altogether distinct from the erring Synagogue but lived in that Church and frequented the Ordinances neither as absolute members of the Synagogue nor yet as the visible Church distinct from it But as visible members of that Primitive Church from which that Synagogue had degenerated In the New Testament 2 Thes 2.7 Revel 17.5 Iniquitas sed mystica id est pietatis nomine palliata Gloss ordinar Syr. Mysterium iniqui jam incipit efficaz esse 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 est vis certa operandi non autem significandi Cham. panst som 2. lib. 16. cap. 7. Hesych 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 praeparatur adornatur instruitur 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 quoddam doctrinae quod si 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sumptum contrarium sit fidei Cham. panst tom 2. l. 16. cap. s 5. 2 Thes 2.3 Heb. 3.13 Matth. 13.25 39. 2 Cor. 11.3.13 15. Jun. cont 4. lib. 3. cap. 16. Generalis decessio sen Apostasia dicitur universalis ant communis Vniversalem negamus fore semper igitur erit Ecclesia quamvis lalens Communem fore affirmamus ut affirmat Paulus Ier. 28.16 29 32. Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Deut. 13.10 the Apostle telleth us the mysterie of iniquitie began to worke in his dayes whereby he understands not common heresies and corruption of manners but some great and hidden thing begun in the Apostles time to creepe on by degrees not suddenly to vanish but to continue for many ages and to grow into an exceeding high mountaine As the mysterie of godlinesse which began presently after the fall took it complement by degrees and that at a certaine and appointed time so it was in this also which at the first was small but grew as things durable by degrees into an exceeding huge bignesse The spirit hath foretold that there should come an Apostasie or defection not from the Roman Empire for that was not opposite to Christ but from the faith and that not light or in some particular point or for a short time for such Haeretickes there had beene already but grievous generall and of long continuance That which the Prophet Ieremy when he speaketh of false Prophets and their Prophecies calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is as the 70. translate it and the thing it selfe requireth a declining a revolt or Apostasie not every one but that to which the authority of the true God is pretended And so the departure from the faith is not a revolt to Gentilisme 2 Tim. 4.1 2. Aug. De Civ Dei li. 26. ca. 19. Quem refugam vocat utique a Deo vero but a giving too easie heed and attention to some doctors professing yet indeed corrupting the Christian Religion As when it is
Papists themselves who stand so much upon the necessitie of succession and ordination by three Bishops according to the constitutions of the Church Bellar. de Eccl. l. 3. c. 10. S. Ad Secundum are yet forced to acknowledge That to know that Pastors are true there is required neither faith not lawfull Election but this onely that they be acknowledged such of the Church and that they hold the place of Christ de facto though not de jure And seeing you pretend to build upon the Non-conformists principles you may take notice of their profession which is this Baptisme administred by Popish Priests is good and sufficient and they are to bee accounted for Ministers though they bee not good and lawfull Ministers but usurpers and intruders The like may be said of such as without ordinary calling An Examin of D. W. Cen. art 11 page 14. counterfeite themselves to be Ministers and so deceive the Church In these the secret consent of the Church receiving them for Ministers untill their wicked usurpation bee espied may be sufficient to authorize their ministery toward others CAN. Necess of Separ Page 234. If I were not unwilling to give occasion unto the Bishops to insult over these men I could hence manifest much bad dealing in them but I will forbeare for the present and do referre the Reader to their owne principles which is Jd. page 239. CAN. Necess of Separ p. 221. Are the Princes of the earth bound by Gods Lawes to maintaine the ordinary ministery of your Assemblies then have you from time to time shamfully mocked and abused them in craving so earnestly for their ayde to have and place thereof CAN. Stay Sect. 1. page 50. that all Ecclesiasticall officers ought necessarily to bee made by the free choyce of the Congregation wherein they are to administer And if they can prove all this I doe not see but the Controversie may easily be taken up betweene them and the Bishops only then they have just cause to begge pardon of them for their pleas against their Prelacy and the maine heavy accusations which they have put up both to Princes and Parliaments against them ANSWER Here you play the Rhetorician and make shew what you could doe but that you will for the present take some compassion upon the Non-conformists Whereunto I will returne no other answer than what you have made to my hand As for your minsing figure of extenuation I could hence manifest I like it not For you do here none otherwise than if a Thiefe when hee hath stript a man out of all that hee hath would faine yet bee counted mercifull in that he doth not murder him or binde him as some others have done Let any indifferent man read your writings and he will say you have not spared your opposites but shot at them Arrowes of bitter words and made them as odious and vile as man can do But blessed is hee that is not offended at the truth for such things Looke upon your selfe in that which you say against your opposites You referre your selfe to their Principles and they make nothing for you as it hath beene alreadly shewed and you might see your selfe if you did not shut your eyes The reason which here you bring is but your owne saying said over many times and indeed bewrayeth more cunning CAN. Stay §. 2. page 55. than reason truth or Consciene and to speake in your phrase sophistry than sincerity For in plaine termes this is your forme of arguing If the Episcopall ordination be not a meere nullitie Vnreasonabl of Separ page 54. I know none having received Ordination from the Prelates that need deny that they preach partly by vertue of the Ministery which they have taken from them T. C. repl 1. Ep. By exercising unlawfull authority and by taking unto them partly such things as belong by no meanes unto the Church and partly which are common unto them with the whole Church or else with others the Ministers and Governours of the same if the ministerie of the idle carelesse prophane yea of the learned godly and painefull be not a meere Idol then have the Non-conformists just cause to begge pardon of the Prelates which hangeth together as a rope of sand The ministery of the Priests Scribes and Pharisees was true in time of the Old Testament and in the dayes of our Saviour Christ had the Prophets then and our Saviour just cause to beg pardon because they accused them of ignorance pride tyrannie contempt of the truth oppressions hypocrisie as blind guides and ravening Wolves who spoyled and made havocke of the flockes The Non-conformists never deemed the ministery of the Church of England for the substance and essentiall parts therof to be false and Idolatrous nor craved the aide of the Prince and Parliament to have it quite or in part abolished you have just cause to begge pardon that slander them in this manner But they complaine of abuses in the ministery and these they desire might be reformed That the ministery might be more pure and incorrupt They complaine of the usurpation of some who challenge that as peculiar to themselves which belongeth to their brethren in common who admit the basest of the people into the office of the ministerie doe that by their sole pleasure which should be done by common Counsell King Canutus made a Lavv by the Counsell of his sages at Winchester That Bishops be Preachers and Teachers of Gods Law and carefull followers of good works Leg. 26. And that every Christian learne so much that he can the true faith and the true understanding therof namely the Lords Prayer and the Creed or else not to have Christian buriall neither to bee admitted whiles he liveth to the Lords Table c. Amb. de dignit sacerdot ca. 3. Quantò prae caeteris gradus Episcopalis altior est tanto si per negligentiâ—m dilabadur ruina gravior est Magna sublimitas magnam debet habere cautelam CAN. Stay S. 12. p. 120 Honor grandis grandiori debet soliciâ—udine circumvallors and disregard the consent and approbation of the Church both in Ordinations and excommunications and if the ministery of the Church of England be true for substance might they not without blame desire and crave the reformation of this abuse they complaine of the pompous Non-residents who feede themselves and regard not the flocke strive after preferment and heape up livings but labour not in the word and doctrine nor look after the welfare of mens soules they accuse these as the poyson and bane of the Church or unfaithfull shepheards who leave the flock to be dispersed and scattered and yet they will not say their ministery is false or Idolatrous or a meere nullitie doe they then shamefullly mocke or abuse the Prince or Parliament in petitioning that this grosse corruption might be reformed They accuse the ignorant carelesse prophane Ministers of neglect of their office and unworthy any place
time a 〈◊〉 in the Laâ—â—d with whom they 〈◊〉 not have 〈◊〉 covenant it is probable if they had beene grosse Idolaters without all knownledge of the true religion 〈◊〉 King of 〈…〉 his fault carried himself 〈…〉 businesse of Abraham as a man not altogether destitute of the true stare of God That the true Religion was maintained in the family of Shâ—â— is acknowledged by all sorts but in that family it was greatly corrupted for the Scripture testifieth that 〈◊〉 the father of Abraham and the father of Nachor and Abraham himself before his calling served other Gods Jâ—sh 24.2 The Church of God did spread in the family of Abraham to whom God gave Circumcision as the seale of the righteousnesse of faith but the members thereof were as well they that were bought with his money as they that were borne in his house For so we reade that God commanded and Abraham tooke Ismael his sonne and all that were borne in his house and all that were bought with his money that is every man childe among the men of Abrahams house and he circumcised the foreskin of their flesh Not onely Abraham and his seede but all that lawfully appertained unto him and were in his power did partake of the seale of the covenant as such as formerly had been or now were received into covenant And by analogie we may gather that not onely the children of beleeving parents but of Infidels if they come lawfully into the power and hand of Christians to be trained and brought up by them in the Christian faith ought to be admitted into Baptisme Now in what sense Ismael and some others in Abrahams family might be esteemed holy 〈◊〉 others judge Esau was a member of Isaacs family which was the visible Church of God in those times Gen. 25.31 32 33. Heb. 12.19 after that he had sold sold his birth right for a â—esse of pottage and many other wayes had discovered himselfe so to walke as a man could hardly judge him to be truely holy Gen. 35.22 49.3 4 5 6 7. 34.25 38.25 26. The family of Jacob was received into covenant according to the pleasure and dispensation of God and all his sonnes were members of the visible Church when foule offences were amongst them unrepented of Gen. â—7 2 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 detrâ—â—â— eos crimine malo Not to mention the facts of Ruben Simon and Levi and Jâ—dah it is noted of the sonnes of Zilpah and â—ilkah that they runne into slander whereof we cannot thinke they repeated suddenly Joseph his Brethren conceived such hatred against him that they first conspired to kill him but changing their minds therein they sold him unto the Isâ—elites The whole body of Israel was a peculiar people Lev. 20.24 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of whom every one was by the word of God separated into the covenant of mercy and if the whole Nation was the people of God every particular person in that Nation did stand under the same relation But what the state and condition of that people was when they were admitted into Church covenant wee may learne from the holy Scripture When I passed by thee I saw thee polluted in thine owne bloud Ezek. 16.6.8 and I said unto thee when thou wast in thy bloud Thou shalt live even when thou wast in thy bloud I said unto thee Thou shalt live Now when I passed by thee and looked upon thee behold thy time was as the time of love and I spread my skirts over thee and covered thy filthinesse yea I sware unto thee and entred into covenant with thee 1 Reg. 8.53 Sept. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith the Lord God and thou beâ—amest 〈◊〉 When God brought Israel out of Aegypt by the hand of Moses his servant he separated them to himselfe from among all the people of the earth Act. 7.38 for an inheritance and every singular person in that huge multitude was a visible member of that Church Exod. 32.8 9.22 Deut. 4.3 9.7 8. Psal 106.7.13 14.19 2â— 28 Num. 14.22 Act. 7.39 40 41 42. Amos. 5.25 26. Josh 5.7 8 9. Deut. 29.4 and all of them by profession Saints or holy the flock of God But oftentimes they sinned and rebelled against the Lord being a stubborne and stiffe-necked people uncircumcised in heart unbeleeving forgetfull of Gods workes despising his covenant idolatrous which had neither eyes to see nor eares to heare nor an heart to under stand And what probabilitie is there that this whole people was truely holy in the judgement of charitie or so faâ—re as man can judge or that they ceased to be the Church of God when they had grossely corrupted their wayes If the true Church be gathered of Saines onely externally and so 〈◊〉 as man 〈◊〉 judge and of them alone framed at of the subject 〈◊〉 which is onely true whilest it 〈…〉 such and false when it degenerateâ— from this dispositionâ— and so as 〈◊〉 and pâ—â—trified stuffe to 〈◊〉 cast out of the 〈◊〉 let it be considered how the Congregation in the Wildernesse could be the true Church of God which so oft 〈◊〉 Act. 7.38 and in many particular sinned against the Lord. It is more true Exod. 24.3.7 the Church and every member thereof outred into Covenant either expresly or implicitely to take God for their God and to keepe the words of the Covenant and doe them to seeke the Lord with all their hearts and to walke before him in truth and uprightnesse Deut. 29.4 But Moses saith of them that entred into Covenant that they had not eyes to see nor eares to heare nor an heart to understand and with many of them God was displeased because they obeyed not his vâ—â—yâ—e Deut. 29.10 11 12. Yee stard this day all of you saith Moses before the Lord your God your Captaines of Tribes your Elâ—â—ers and your Officers with all the men of Israell your little ones your â—ives and thy stranger that is in thy Caâ—p from the 〈◊〉 of thy woâ—d to the 〈◊〉 of thy water That thou should 〈◊〉 â—nto the Covetant 〈◊〉 the Lord thy God c. But he testifieth against them also Deut. 32.5 6.15 16. that they had corrupted themselves that their spot was not the spot of his children that they were a froward and perverse generation a foolish people and â—â—wisâ— who forsoâ—ke God that 〈◊〉 them and regarded not the strong God of their salvation Iosh 5.5 6 7. Joshua circumcised all the people which were borne in the Wildernesse for all that time that Sacrament was neglected and his fact is approved But we reade not of any inquiry that was made of all that great multitude what worke of grace God had wrought in every mans soule and it is very improbable that there was not one who did not give good hope of sound and true cleaving unto the Lord with all his heart Psal 78.55 56 57. When God had
and in this you doe not pretend the Nonconformists principles as you did in the former The exceptions also which you take against them are not in respect of gifts learning or diligence nor that they are brought into the Church by Antichrist but chiefly in respect of the office and Ministery it selfe That which you object concerning the name that it is new as you doe before against Parsons Vicars and Curates that they are Popish is too slight to be insisted upon For these and divers other names or titles given to the Preachers of the Word doe not note different Ministeries for substance and kinde but different accidents whereby the Ministers are distinguished and sometimes the employment whereabout they are principally exercised But the Ministery which is exercised under those names is for substance one and the same which Christ hath appointed and set his Church If any man hath not been able to answer this Question when it hath been propounded what kinde of Ministery the Lecturers have taken up it was from his weaknesse not from the difficultie of the matter And this is no marvaile seeing many Questions seeme Riddles to you which very easily untie themselves or be knit in conceit onely As to the Papists many Questions touching the certaintie of our Religion the calling of our Ministers the continuance of the faith seeming indissoluble which a true hearted Christian can quickly dissolve But you write upon certaine knowledge that some have ingenuously confessed that unlesse they be Evangelists they could not see how their Ministery doth accord with any Ministery mentioned in the New Testament I am not so diffident as to distrust every word that is spoken nor must I be so simple as to beleeve every thing In the quoting of mens words in writing and giving the sense of them I finde you trip so often ignorantly or upon set purpose and so many times to quote that as making for you which is as direct against you as can be spoken that without breach of charitie I may suspect some such thing in this particular either that you mistooke their meaning or misrelate their words or set downe your owne consequence for their position or the like Instances of your mistaking enough hath beene formerly mentioned in this very place there be two of no small note nor hard to be disproved First you say The Nonconformists condemne the calling of Parsons and Vicars their office you meane as false and Antichristian But their practice and profession both doth evidence the contrary to the whole world as hath beene shewed And if you will mistake their writings so palpably and againe and againe affirme them from their writings what is not there to be found but is direct contrary to their judgement writing and practice how can we beleeve that you truely report their words Secondly you say The Reformists doe utterly condemne this extraordinary office of Preachers Lecturers you understand by extraordinary Preachers but extraordinary they are not either in respect of their calling or the worke wherein they are imployed And the Nonconformists are so farre from condemning that office that it is well knowne many if not the greatest part of them had none other calling or office in the Church And I presume every reasonable man will conceive it an unlikely thing that so many godly and learned men suffering many and great troubles against other abuses should choose to live in such a calling against the light of their conscience Can. Neces of â—parat pag. 〈◊〉 210. 2â—3 If Dr. And 〈◊〉 not boasted of 〈◊〉 mans booke c. Id. pag. 224 This is the booke which Mr. Paget upbraids us with Arr. against Separat pag. 38. And you know some have maintained whose judgement therein and workes are approved by others of the same ranke That the Ministery of godly Preachers and so of Lecturers in the Church of England in all substantiall and essentiall parts is that very Ministery which Christ hath instituted and ordained in the New Testament and which he hath blessed for the gathering and building forward of his Church in faith and holinesse It is not then the common judgement of the Reformists nor the private opinion of any particular man of that minde that I have seene or heard of that the office or calling of a Lecturer is utterly to be condemned Who the Author is or what the worke which you quote entituled The Necessitie of Discipline I know not nor what he saith Perhaps you alledge him as you have done others wrongfully It may be he speakes of some circumstances not of the substance of the calling If he goe any further it is his private conceit and must not be imputed to the Reformists as you stile them We neede not here dispute of the difference betwixt the Pastour and the Teacher nor to enquire whether of these they are to be esteemed untill the difference betwixt them be exactly defined and substantially proved If for substance of Ministery they doe the worke of the Lord Jesus and by his approbation this sufficeth First then here it is to be noted that the Officers of the Church are not so distinguished by heir speciall limits and bounds but the superiour may doe the office of the rest if necessitie require As if the societie be small meet Officers cannot be had or be wanting for a time or taken away by death The Pastour may supply the roome of the Teacher Elder or Deacon that is he may teach watch over the manners of the people and take speciall care of the poore as the Apostles did for a time Secondly If the Pastour be aged weake sickly unable to beare the burden of his charge alone he may take unto him with consent of the societie and colledge Ecclesiasticall Assisters or Helpers Videl in Ignat ad Mariam exercit 3. Vt tam praesentes in urbe sublevarentur quam ut absentibus ipsis Ecclesiae pastoribus destituta non esset delegerunt scil Apostoli sibi coadjutores Quod nominatim ex Epiphanio heres Sozom. hist lib. 2. cap. 19. Euseb lib. 6. ca. 10. Gr. 27. apparet Tales fuerunt hi tres Clemens Linus Cletus Aut ut noster Author ait Anacletus So Maximus helped Macarius untill his death and Augustine Valerius And if the Pastour be carelesse or negligent it is lawfull for the people to provide for themselves by the best meanes that they can or God is pleased to afford unto them that they might be taught and instructed in the wayes of holinesse Thirdly Pastours are to feede the flocke committed unto their care yet so as many Pastours may be set over one flock which they must feede in common And to this purpose some write A dispute par 3. cap. 8. pag. 170. that the Apostolique and Primitive times knew neither Parishionall nor Diocesan Churches but Christians lived then in Cities onely not in Villages because of the persecution Act. 20.27 28. Phil. 1.1 1 Thes 5.12 Act.