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A84830 Truth's defence against the refined subtilty of the serpent held forth in divers answers to severall queries made by men (called ministers) in the North. Given forth by the light and power of God appearing in George Fox and Richard Hubberthorn Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F1970; Thomason E724_12; ESTC R207270 97,279 111

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and is all the righteous bloud shed and in that nature which thou wouldst know these things in it was ever hid from who have the chiefest places in the Assemblyes and called of men Master Matth. 23. 7. and in that generacion thou art which the Wo was ever preached to try thy self for to that in thy conscience which should exercise it do I speak 2 Cor. 4. 2. and when it doth appear it will witness me 2 Cor. 5. 11. the time is coming and now is that not at Ierusalem in your highest profession of Christ nor your highest glorious nocions of him which you live in nor none of your Steeple-houses nor none of your Exercises as you call them nor the daintiest Dish you have will be meat for the tru worshipers of God for they have run to this Steeple-house and that Steeple-house and to this mountain and that mountain and here is a dainty Dish and there is a dainty Dish sayth the Harlot which hath long deceived the simple ones but now all you Harlots are discovered which have deceived the Nations and now Abraham shall arise who is the Friend of God whom thou knowest not but art in the generacion of them who professed Abraham and freedom and God to be their Father but were of their Father the Devil Iohn 8. 44 4● doing his work who was a Murderer crucifying the just who are in the fall and not come to the beginning for thy Father was a Murderer since the beginning and Dives must be turned into Hell and the Dives with your dainty Dishes must be layd low and you who profess the New Ierusalem will be found to be in the old Ierusalem where the Lord Iesus Christ was and is crucified in your Ierusalem now in the highest place of Worship the tru worshipers of the Father in Spirit and Truth witness it to be so and the time is come that the Scripture is fulfilled and the words of Christ Iohn 4. 23. Praises Praises to the Eternall glorious God of Heaven and Earth for ever and ever who now hath made his Power known by which we see the Deceits of you all 6 Query Whether it be not Gods Ordinance that the inward living spiritual powerful word of God whereby all the Saints of God are taught and the tru inward spirituall Worship of the Saints should in the outward appearance of them be held forth in earthen vessels as under a form of Speech or word yea or no Ans Freind in this Query thou hast uttered forth thy weakness and thy ignorance in the form of the Letter doth appeare yet Serpent-like thou art full of Subtilty but thy nakedness doth appeare openly The word of God is as a Fire and cannot be limited no not with thy carnal Reason It is as a Hammer to beat thee to peices and as a Sword to cut thee asunder whensoever thou comest to know this powerfull word of God And this is the word which the Prophets spoke from who cryed Wo against all them that sayd the Lord sayth and he never spoke to them and cryed against all them that bear rule by their meanes Ier. 5 30 31. the horible filthy thing is committed in the Land which is and was held up with Preist and People but now the same living spirituall eternall Word is made manifest and is preached abroad against all you Hyerlings and greedy dumb Dogs which have not a word from the Lord but seek for your gain from your quarters and get up into the cheifest place of the Assemblies and are called of men Masters and stand praying in the Synagogues he that is the Word cryed Wo against all such and them that had this Word he bade them not to be as they were Math. 23. 8 9 10. And this Word is made manifest in the Saints which is declared abroad but thou who livest in Appearance and wouldst see things in Appearance in thy carnall wisdom and Reason ●hou art shut out from this knowledg for to thee it is death to thy carnall minde therefore freely do I publish the Eternall Truth abroad and as knowing you that you have not a word from the ●ord but are in that generacion of those that did shut up the kingdom of Heaven against men neither go in your selves nor suffer others laying heavy burthens upon the People and will not toutch them with one of your fingers but what you do you do it to be seen of men making broad your Philacteries and devouring Widdows houses Math. 23. 45. who art desolate from Christ who hast got the Form of Christs words but art in the steps of the Scribes and Pharises who had got the form of Moses and the Prophets and were enemies and strangers to the Life of God Moses and the Prophets and their Form you have got in your comprehension in the earthly vessel and that 's your heavenly Treasure but now you are tryed with what you hold forth in a Form of words but the word of God is powerfull and in him is no Form but thou art a Theif and a Robber who stealest the Prophets words Ier. 23. 30. who art without who knowest not the Word nor the Lord nor the tru Ministers of the Word shutting out thy self in the dark world and Querying whether the Word should be held forth in earthen vessels if thou hadst an Eye or if thou hadst an Eare thou mightst hear and see it preached dayly but as I said to thy first Query thou knowst not the Light whith enlightneth every one that commeth into the world but art ignorant deaf and blinde one that hates the Light that makes thee let forth so many stumbling Queries for hadst thou the Light thou wouldst not stumble but be as a Citty set upon a Hill but thou art without who hast shewed forth such a dark minde but that minde is for destrukcion for if thou didst walk in the Light and love it it would lead thee to the Day which would let thee see all things and there would be no ocasion of stumbling but thou art him that hates the Light so all thy Preaching as thou callest it leads from God being blinde and leads the blinde and must both go into the Ditch together but we who are Ministers of the Eternal Word see it and dwell in the Light and declare freely without a Bag or a Staffe without Brass and Silver or two Coats for the workman is worthy of his meat freely you have received freely give Math. 10. 8. therefore we do deny your preaching and for the simple ones sake who are in the Simplicity who have been ensnared by you who are in the Subtilty and such as you are who have let forth these Queries for we know your Spirits though you have not let forth your names so who are in the simplicity seeking after the Truth for their sakes have I let forth my self and shewed forth your folly Query 7. Whether the Idols Temple and the Worship that 's done therein
seen in Heaven and Earth yea or no Answ to the ninth Query In it thou art compleat if thou didst see thy self in the mystery of iniquity fencing with thy weapons which are spiritual wickednesses which lodgeth in the highest place and with thy thoughts and imaginacions as it doth openly appear to him that obeys the Light so thou drawest People to look after visible things and to worship in the Idols Temple 1 Cor. 8. 10. to that which thy Reason can understand and thy carnal eye can see and thy carnal ear can hear so thou worshipest the Host of Heaven and that is thy Heaven and thy Earth but Heaven is Gods Throne and thou with thy carnal eye canst never see that but drawst all under to thy worship and that thou bowest down to to thy own imaginacions within and then thou settest up somthing without thee and bringest others to bow down to thy Images and Idols without thee which thou ●ast set up which flows from the spiritual wickedness within thee in the highest place and there thou dost climb up to the highest Pinnacle and he that will bow down and worship thee thou givest thy glory to him if he will not thou drawest out thy carnal weapons to murder him for all the Ministers of the Letter are Persecutors of the Spirit where thou shewest thy self to be one but Friend the Light which is exhorted to take heed unto 2 Pet. 1. 19. thy dark minde cannot comprehend thy ear cannot hear thy eye cannot see therefore dost thou stumble as he who was the Light sayd and he that waits in the Light which Light is Christ it guides him up to God and to the Church in God and to bow down to nothing bu● God 1 Thess 1. 1. and it teacheth to know things that be eternal and invisible by which Light we deny all thy Images Forms Rites and Customs all thy Images within thee and the Idols without thee for thou art full of them Praysed be the Lord God Almighty who is come to teach his children and hath gathered us from your mouths who made a prey upon us who wandred from Mountain to Mountain but now the Lord hath fulfilled his Promise and is fulfilling it for thou art full of Images and art the well-coloured Beast and hast the well-coloured Robes and art the Harlot out of the truth Nah. 3. 4. who deceives with thy evil eye to draw People to visible things 10 Query Whether to say obey the Light that is within and that is life and disobey it that 's death be not to speak according to the tenour of the old Covenant which sayth Do this and live yea or no Answ to the tenth Query In the Observance of outward things and Tradicions there is a difference in the obeying of the Light within and observing things without as the Apostle sayd Take heed to the Light within you untill the day dawn and the day-star arise in your hearts 2 Pet. 1. 19. who witnessed the new Covenant and they that did obey the Light within saw through the old and saw Christ so a new command I give unto you yet not a new but an old if thou hast an ear thou mayst hear but as I sayd to thee before it is that which thy Reason cannot comprehend nor never shall and ye are sanctified through the obedience of the Spirit John 17. 19. 1 Pet. 1. 22. and thy intent in these Queryes is to draw into disobedience from the Light of God within them to follow the imaginacions of such as thou art but who doth obey the Light thou art discovered to them and thou and all who hate this Light it is thine and their condemnacion and eternally shalt thou witness me for to the Light I speak which thy dark minde cannot comprehend and all who disobeys the Light holds the truth in an unrighteous minde Rom. 10. 16. but the Lord Jesus Christ is coming Who will render vengeance in flames of fier upon all them who know not God and that obeys not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 1. 8. now thou mayst call this the old Covenant and the Covenant of Works who livest in the mystery of iniquity and art disobedient who art one in that generacion that is disobedient to the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ and seekest to keep others in the same generacion from obeying the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ with all thy beastical power in these ten Queryes who hast uttered forth thy ten Horns that pusheth with them against the Lamb and against the Saints Dan. 7. 7. but the Lamb hath got the victory over the Beast and over the false Prophets the Light that doth enlighten every one that cometh into the world this Light he dwelleth in which sees thee which hath answered these Queryes who art without yet so as not to the feeding of that minde and reason which must die in thee for Plagues and Wo and Judgment and Vengeance and Flames of Fier will the Lord render upon thee who doth not obey the Gospel 2 Thess 1. 8. and so fare thee well for in the Pit and Fall thou art one that doth disobey the Light and hatest the Light and stumblest at it and there thou standest condemned for to that in thy conscience do I speak 2 Cor. 4. 2. which shall eternally witness me 2 Cor. 5. 11. FINIS Certain QUERIES given forth by a sort of high Professors that dwell in Farnez Fels in Lancashire and sent to George Fox which are answered by him and their subtlety and deceits discovered and layd open 1 Query WHether Jesus Christ have a Body in Heaven if he hath whether it is the same that appeared among men in the flesh or what manner of Body hath he Is he a particular Man or Person incompassed with a Body to live in for ever or is it the Body which the Saints shall have when all flesh shall be raised to the last Judgment Answ Thou wouldst know whether Iesus Christ have a Body in Heaven he remains in the Heavens if thou hast an Eare thou mayst hear And whereas thou wouldst know whether it be the same that appeared amongst men it is the same that did descend the same did ascend Ephes 4. 10. he that hath an Eare to hear let him hear and whereas thou wouldst know what manner of Body he hath here thou art disputing as the Devil was about the Body of Moses with Michael the Archangel who sayd The Lord rebuke thee so say I now the Lord rebuke thee who art disputing about the Body of Christ for the Body of Christ is but one which makes free from the Law and sin and he is the Head of the Body which is the Church but this to thee is a mystery and he liveth in his Body Rom. 7. 4. and whereas thou wouldst know whether it be the Body which the Saints shall have Col. 1. 18. when all flesh shall be raised to the last Judgment here