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A77292 Dr Durie's defence of the present ministry, being compared with the gospel and gospel ministry, turnes into smoke, and vanisheth As is made to appear in the ensuing treatise, by a witnesse of the gospel, John Braine. Brayne, John. 1649 (1649) Wing B4322A; ESTC R231104 35,215 40

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what but he hath leisure to reproach as if he were angry at this doctrine of the Gospel 2. He transfers the things of the Stewardship of his Apostleship to himself and Apollo as if Apollo were an Apostle as Paul was or as if the Stewardship of an Apostle were transferrable to a ordinary Church minister other way then in their ordinary Church ministry as they had been joyned in their ministring to the Church of Corinth in an ordinary way of ministry 3. The puffing up one against another with the Apostles adding here these things must relate to something preceding and what then but that in which Paul and Apollo are mentioned or at least concerned 1 Cor 1.12 Every one of you saith I am of Paul and I of Apollo I of Cephas In this these of Pauls society boasted themselves against those of Apollos those of Apollos against those of Cephas and those against the Catecumerii And thus and no way else could every one of the Church be puffed up Now these were distinguished in themselves as well as ministers 1 Cor 3.5 where the believers are divided under their severall ministry as the Lord hath given them to believe vers 9. Paul and Apollo are co-co-workers in the work of the Gospel Now Paul transfers these things from them which succeeded them in their place of ministry the ministers to himself and his fellow labourers who wrought with him in the Gospel there for the Churches sake that they should not think of men above that is written Now if any men should have been admired by them it had been Paul and Apollo 1 Cor 3.5 Who is Paul or Apollo Now if these were not to be looked on more then instruments much lesse their own ordinary Church ministry residing amongst them who were far inferiour to the Apostle and the rest but look on God and the Ordinances P. 26. Of Aaron his sons the Priests and Levites Dr. Truly in all this discourse from the beginning to the end I can see nothing you do but hunt after shadows Resp 1. Mr. Doctor might have seen by what is said before that the Assembly in their propositions did not place the Evangelist rightly in putting him before the Prophet against expresse Scripture Eph. 4.11 I fear there was corruption in it enough to shew he will never see if he can choose an Evangelist is an ordinary Minister ●●ought 〈…〉 the Church and therefore put him before the Prophet that none should once question it Did not God foresee this and shew this was of great concernment when 1 Cor 12.28 he set down first Apostles secondly Prophets not Evangelists it is clear And thus on intreaty ye cannot see to mend as if it were not so or no error though ye have been called on to do it 2. Mr Doctor I use this as a shadow only as is in words expressed but you in your propositions for the Pastor confirm your ministry by theirs as by Gospel-authority and you confirm your Governours and Government by them as in the sec●●●● for Church Governours 3. You confesse they have a representation of spirituall things why did you not tell where of the ministry or not you were afraid To say it did not lest every child should descry either your weaknesse or wilfull corruptnesse and therfore you say very warily Dr. Now it is not to be denied but these things have some signification and representation of spirituall things but I am sure they do not near your purpose Or if they relate to the work of the ministry in some sense yet they will not evince that Evangelists in your sense are to be perpetuall and ordinary Officers and that there must be in every Congregation such distinct Officers as you imagine Resp 1. Mr Doctor do you come with an if they relate to the work of the ministry you do learnedly to question that 2. You are sure not to my purpose that is you are conceitedly sure but ar● not sure from the word if you are why did you not set down from what Scripture that I may be made sure or as well as you Sir think you I may not as well say for any ground you have set down to the contrary sure the Doctor is deceived in this poynt 3. But if they do relate to the ministry yet they will not evince that Evangelists are to be c. Mr Doctor I told you it was but a shadow I hunted not for it to prove the Gospel Government by it as you do I used it only to illustrate and shew the ministry in the Jewish Church in some kind did resemble this under the Gospel in such things as are morall that the Church was to be ministred to other waies then by a single ministry Sir in the margent of my Book pag 27. at Rom 2.20 that babes are the Teachers Congregation you set your mark of C upon it but durst not stay there nor say a word lest you should open a gap for it You have touched but little of my Book and that you have done is to as little purpose as ever Doctor did undertake to do a thing as every rationall unprejudiced man will say that seeth it and here 's the cry you make with it P. 27. Not to baptize but to Evangelize Dr. It is proper to all that preach the Gospel to baptize such as did receive their commission for the one the other is joynt Math 28.19 I think it should be did for the other Resp 1. _____ which is properly to make Disciples and signifieth that teaching that went before baptizing as in the order of the words is to be observed 2. Th● Disciples here sent out had by 〈◊〉 extraordinary call to do all which we have not 3. Baptisme brought them into the Church after which the Apostle distinguisheth again by another kind of teaching called Evangelizing which differed from that went before baptizing in Math 28. Col 1.17 and from his teaching baptized Dr. To baptize was no more proper to the Doctor then the Evangelist Resp This you only assert on your own word but Sir in that there are to be in the Church Evangelists Pastors T●achers how are these in the Gospel distinguished for ministry and administrations If one have to do in the Church as much in all ordinances as the other then all are Evangelists all Pastors all Teachers if nothing be proper to eithers ministry but all alike Sir though the Smoke of the Temple hath blinded your eies yet the light of the Gospel may let you see other things Sir by this you would make God the Author of Confusion who is the God of Order and that you so oft call confusion in my Book is Gospel order in Gods Book Rom 2.20 He that was the Teacher of Babes was the Baptizer of Babes but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 was the Teacher Ergo Dr. To baptize was not the main work for which the Apostles were sent nor for which ministers are appoynted to preach the Gospel