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A30538 A returne to the ministers of London by way of answer to their seasonable exhortations, (so called) directed to their congregations : with sober reproof sent unto them, because of their secret smitings against the despised people called Quakers, whom they have secretly reproached in their said exhortation ... / by E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1660 (1660) Wing B6021; ESTC R22000 22,747 32

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now cry up another and thus it is very evident that the guilt of breach of Oaths Covenants lies neer unto your selves which indeed opens the mouth of iniquity for the very Cavaliers and Prelates say you were once strict in your way but now you have struck hands with them and are now your selves doing that which you cryed out against in them And thousands in this Nation is abated in their affections from your Church and Ministry as knowing them to be upon a false Foundation and to be of Babylon and not of the Heavenly Ierusalem And what do you mean by severe punishment of professors do you mean to set up Ecclesiastical lawes again and that all must be forced to your Church way and Religion is it in your hearts to drive the Nation by force and if they will not to punish them with fire and faggot and prisons If this be your meaning as may justly be supposed it is the Lord deliver the Nation from you this is not the way to gain the credit of Religion but the further you go on in this way as you have formerly walked in the more will your Profession and Religion stink in the nostrils of all good men Your fourth Evidence is Immensity boundless liberty permitted assumed freely practised by many to write print and publish all manner of blasphemies and opinions c. the sad and woful effects thereof appears in many some being in Apostacy others in luke-warmnesse and much decay in the power of godlinesse c. Answ. As I have acknowledged there are without doubt many errors blasphemies and false oppinions extant in this Nation both written published and maintained but upon whom and what sort of men this can truly be charged this is very doubtful to many and your charge being onely general no particular answer can well be given only it appears you would have none to write print and publish but your selves or by your consent and you would tye the Nation up in the bondage of your own spirits and you would be the only Judges of blasphemies and errors but that we allow not for enemies must not be Judges and it is very possible that such is your darknesse that you may call truth error and error truth in some particulars but if you shall instance any particular Doctrines Blasphemies Errors and Opinions published and maintained in my next I shall freely give my witness against them if they be really so and against the people that holds them as well as your selves more particularly I cannot now say and there is indeed woeful and sad effects of errors brought forth in this Nation and many are in the Apostacy from the truth and in the luke-warmness also and the power of Godliness is decayed and they have the Forme and holds that without the Power your selves may do well and your Congregations also to search your own hearts by the spirit of the Lord in this case that the guilty may see and turn unto the Lord that his wrath come not upon them Your fift Evidence is Sabbath Prophanation both in Opinion and Practice grown to a greater height than ever formerly the Iewes Sabbath cryed up instead of the Christian Shops opened upon the Lords day yea some working the works of their ordinary callings in knitting and sowing of garments in our Assemblies even in the Pulpits in the time of Gods publike worship c. 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This remains doutful to many what the true Sabbath is and whether the Lord doth require of this generation the observing one day above another and if so what day it is that he requires the observing of as for the 7th day of the week we know that the Lord commanded the Iewes to keep as a Sabbath and to rest But that was never commanded to the Gentiles and as for the first day of the week which is called the Christians Sabbath that is doubtful to many whether God commands and requires the observation of that day by the gentile believers yea or nay seeing that there is neither command nor binding example for it through out the Scriptures if there be any I do desire that you would shew it in your next and by what authority whether from men or from Heaven the first day of the week is now kept by you as your Sabbath for really many are doubtful in this case and you would do very well if you have a command from God or example from his servants in former ages to discover so much unto the people And as for your calling it the Lords day it is certaine every day is his and not one day more then another and as for shops opening and such things as you mention though every one that do such things may not be justified in the doing of it yet such a thing in it self may be justified if the spirit of the Lord moves unto it and who shall limit the Lord And why may not others labour in their ordinary callings that day as well as you in your ordinary callings I mean your ordinary calling of preaching that it is an ordinary calling it is certaine because you deny any extrordinary calling in these dayes and so I only query this why others may not follow their ordinary callings as well as you for it hath been affirmed very lately by some that preaching was a trade and a function for men to get a living by and we do not question but there are many now in this Nation called Ministers that do preach for that end and would cease to preach if money and tithes were ceased to be given them I speak this of some not of all which doth demonstrate that the way of your preaching is an ordinary calling which you labour in on your Sabbath day Your sixth Evidence is the powring out by many of all sects with a full mouth all manner of obloquy and contempt upon Ministry and Ministers of the Gospel openly interrupting them in the excercise of their duty whereby they are discouraged in their work while they are represented under the notion of Baals Priests Gehazaes pulpited divines distributers of Sundaies Doses Simonions Decimating Clergy common Incendiaries c. Answ. It is certain that the true Ministry and Ministers of the Gospel were in all ages and now are contemned and despised and all manner of evill spoken against them for the name of Christ But whether you are those true Ministers of the Gospel and your Ministry the true Ministry sent of Christ this is doubtful to many and by many particulars which might be instanced the contrary doth appear The Ministers of Christ in the daies of the Apostles they never complained of being interrupted for they were haled before Rulers and commanded to preach no more in that name and yet they were not discouraged thereby in their work nor when they were called movers of sedition and deceivers and such reproachful names they regarded not these things but as for you you seem to
insinuating many of their Doctrines as teaching Justification by Inherent Righteousness perfection unlawfulness in joyning in your Ordinances and nullity of your Ministry c. Answ. Now these that you call Sectaries may truly plead against you against your Church Worship Ministry and practises upon good grounds and as for Iustification by Inherent Righteousness it is a Doctrine of the Church of Christ that the Saints witnessed Christ and his Righteousness within them and that none are justified by any righteousness without them but who witness Christ revealed in them for all are reprobates that do not witness Christ in them 2 Cor. 13. 5. And as for perfection that is the doctrine of the Gospel and of Christ for the Apostles spake wisdome to them that were perfect 1 Cor. 2 6. and Christ commanded them to be perfect Mat. 5. who never commanded impossibilities You might better have charged these doctrines upon the Apostles than upon the Papists and as for joyning to your Ordinances there is many that fears God who are not Papists that for good conscience sake cannot joyn to your Ordinances nor own your Ministry neither in its Call Practise nor Maintenance and if these things were in dispute I should shew you according to Scripture that it is not lawful for the Saints of God to joyn themselves to your Ordinances nor own your Ministry but it is lawful for them both to deny your Ordinances and Ministry in their present standing and as for printing and vending so many Popish books as you say oh it had been your wisdome to have mentioned the books by name that all might have known which were Popish books but because your Charge is general I cannot answer particularly either to clear or to condemn except you had mentioned in particular which you ought to have done rather then to have slandered in the dark Your fourth reason whereby you would make your people believe that there is fear of the return of Popery is That the whole body almost of Popery is published by Sectaries especially Quakers and you say you cannot but observe a ready co-incidency with Papists in their Opinions c. Answ. As for the Quakers which you have long opposed by Prisons Goals and Persecutions and your carnal weapons and now also charge great things upon them to make them odious to the people Alas do you not know that they are blessed of the Lord Is there never a man among you sixty one Priests so wise as Balaam was he saw there was no Inchantment against Israel nor durst he curse whom God had blessed but however they have borne with patience and they do therein continue all that you have caused to be acted and all that you have spoken against them and your words and works against them shall be your own burthen in the day of the Lord and shall sink you into misery who hath made the innocent people the people of your malice and fury but God is with them I need say nothing and why have you not particularly instanced what particular part of Popery they do publish Why will you charge in secret and prove nothing in particular therefore I do charge you to mention what particular things they do publish which is Popery and not the truths of the Gospel and then you shall have a further answer Your fifth reason is Jesuitical designs and you mention the Protestant Universities and the impoverishing and disgracing and overthrowing a godly learned Ministry c. Answ. As for the Vniversities thousands are satisfied concerning them that they are of Popish institution and are not the Fountains of Divinity as they have been falsly called for its possible I could give large testimonies of the wickedness of the educations which is these in those places and how little good they learn and how much evil But you have stated the cause wrong for the plucking down the Vniversities would rather seem to be the removing part of Popery than to be the way to let in Popery and as for a godly Ministry that is truly godly and truly learned alas there is no fear of impoverishing disgracing and overthrowing of that for that is alwayes poor and low and contemptible to the world and so it must be and it is Antichrists Ministers that feares to be made poor and that their tythes and stipends should be made less and it is they that fear to be overthrown and not the Ministers of Christ for the Ministers of Christ are out of all such fears because their standing and falling depends not upon earthly powers but are builded upon the Rock of Ages and cannot be overthrown Your sixth ground is Toleration for Popery is publikely pleaded for in print c. Answ. That Popery is idolatry and the Church of Rome 2 false Church that I have said and I hope shall never renounce it but shall alwayes give testimony until death against the Church of Rome but I must tell you plainly it is not my judgement that the Papists ought to be burned for their Religion or if a Iesuite be taken in England I would have him so tolerated that he should not have his life taken away by inhumano cruelty not for Religions sake except something can be charged upon him besides matters of his Religion or Conscience This is my judgement that both the Papists and you are Antichristian in this in that you kill each other when they take one of your Ministers and you theirs to destroy each other this is not of God but of the Dragons power in both and there ought to be more toleration in both that lives may be spared and you ought to conquer with Spiritual Weapons if that you have them and not to kill and murther persons but to judge spirits That is contrary to Scripture and the Apostles example to destroy mens lives for Religion sake And why may not the Papists have toleration in matters concerning God as well as others So those that plead for their toleration upon this account that they may be converted from sin and not destroyed in their sin this is no error that their lives may be spared but to plead for their toleration as the right Religion this is sin And thus your sixth ground wherefore you fear the return of Popery is answered Now I come to the second consideration which is The present distracted estate of Religion which you say is evidenced in divers particulars First your division in civil and spiritual things so that the wonted love and communion in holy duties is interrupted strangenesse and distances fomented censures and hard opinions of each others entertained c. Answ. Here is your error for true Religion is not distracted nor divided in it self but it is one in unity and peace and so are all they that are in it their hearts being united by the Spirit of the Lord in their Faith Practise and Worship and in all things pertaining to their Religion It s true there is distraction amongst all