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A00294	A booke intituled, The English Protestants recantation, in mattersof religion wherein is demonstratiuely proued, by the writings of the principall, and best learned English Protestant bishops, and doctors, and rules of their religion, published allowed, or subscribed vnto, bythem, since the comminge of our King Iames into England, that not onely all generall grownds of diuinitie, are against the[m], but in euery particular cheife question, betweene Catholicks & them, they are in errour, by their owne iudgments : diuided accordingly, into two parts, whereof the first entreateth of those generall grounds, the other of such particular controuersies, whereby will also manifestely appeare the vanitie of D. Morton Protest. Bishop of Chester his boke called Appeale, or, Ansuueare to the Catholicke authour of thebooke entituled, The Protestants apologie.	Broughton, Richard.	1617 (1617)	STC 10414; ESTC S2109	209,404	418

themselues to the Church of Rome and doctrine thereof as hee hath before aduised CHAPTER XIIII CONCERNINGE REVERENCE of holy Relicks WHEN I entreated before of the religeous vse of holy Imadges I would also haue spoken of this question the reuerence of holy Relicks being so neare and symbolizing doctrines had not the Relator of Religion before referred mee to an other course Therefore I will now speake thereof in which case the Catholick doctrine expressed in the Councell of Trent is this Cōcil Trid. Sesi 9. Veneranda esse àfidelibus c. The bodies of Martyrs c. Are to be reuerenced of the faithfull According to which thus I argue in this Article by these Protestants That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church in this question is true and what it cōdēned for Heresie is false But the primatiue Church taught reuerence of Relicks as the present Romane Church now dothe and condemned the contrary of Protestants for Heresie Therefore the Catholicke doctrine is true in this controuersie and the contrary of Protestants false and Hereticall The Maior proposition is euidently true by often graunte before And the Minor is thus proued First D. Willet citeth and approueth S. Ambrose thus speaking Willet Antill pag. 201. Sutcliff Subu pag. 27. Pag. 50. of Valentinian deceased I will honor his Relicks and commend his gratious memorie D. Sutcliffe wittnesseth that S. Gregorie and S. Augustine that conuerted this nation esteemed much the relicks of Saincts And in their time Churches were built in the honor of Saints and their relicks worshipped And D. Willet with others Willet Antil pag. 13. acknowledge as they needs must that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denyall thereof in the primatiue Church and by the authoritie thereof Secondly I argue thus againe That which was the custome and doctrine of the primatiue Church may or is still to bee kept and defended But to pray at the monuments of Saincts and reuerence their Relicks was the custome and doctrine then Therefore still to bee kept and defended The Maior is euident and the Minor thus proued First M. Wotton Wotten def of Perk. pag. 9 hath these words It was the maner of the primatiue Church to pray at the Tombes of Martirs and the Christians assembled ordinarily where the Martirs were buried And to shew what they did there which hee would willingly haue concealed for hee loueth not prayers to Saints nor reuerence of their Relicks for which causes the primatiue Christians so there assembled hee citeth S. Hierome writing Wotten sup pag. 544. in this maner of holy Paula shee went into the Sepulchre and kissed the stone of his Resurrection which the Angell had remoued from the dore of the Tombe the place of his bodie where the Lord had lien as if shee had thristed for the desired waters shee li●k●d with her faithfull tonge D. Downame writeth the like of the holy pilgrimadge of that blessed woman And to giue moste conuincing instance and proofe in this matter M. Perkins in his Problema writeth thus Primitiua Perkins problem pag. 81. Ecclesia honorauit veneratione prosecuta est reliquias mortuorum The primatiue Church did honour and prosecute with reuerence the Relicks of the deade Thirdly thus I argue That vsadge and behauiour which was lawfull to the Iewes and practized of them towards their Reliks is now in the time of grace giuen by Christ as lawfull for Christians towards their holy Relicks and things But the true faithfull Iewes lawfully vsed reuerence and honour to their Relicks Therefore it is lawfull to Christians to doe the like The Maior is euident this beeing no ceremoniall or legall thinge abrogated by Christ but rather confirmed by making the things of his lawe and Ghospell more reuerentiall then the figuratiue was The Minor is thus proued by M. Wotton in these words You bringe diuers Wotton def of Perk. pag. 581. proofes that the Arke was had in greate reuerence all needlesse for whoe denies it and againe The Iewes saith Hierome in foretimes worshipped the holy of holies because there were the Cherubins and the propitiatorie and the arke of the testament Manna Aarons rodd and the golden altare and further in this maner Hee speakes not of worshippinge the Pag. 581. 582. Arke but the holy of holyes because of the things that were in it Hee makes the Propitiatorie Manna Aarons Rod and the golden Altare causes of that worship as well as the Cherubins In the words followinge hee counts the Sepulchre of our Lord more worthie of wor●hip Then seeing those Relicks vnder the lawe and before Christ the meritorious cause of all grace and such excellencie were so worthie of worshipp and reuerence that they were not onely reuerenced in themselues but other things were worshipped and reuerenced because of them and yett by this Iudgment the Relicks in Christianitie as the Sepulchre no part of Christ but the place of his sacred bodies some few howers lyeing there are more worthie of worship as this Protestant writer confesseth wee may not deny this Reuerence and the Catholick doctrine thereof to bee holy euen by English Protestants sentence Lastely thus I argue from the generall practice of English Protestants if it is lawfull to giue ciuill reuerence to the bodie of a noble man or woman deceased because they were noble and honored when they liued much more reason there is to giue religeous and spirituall Reuerence to the bodie of a Saint holy and honored by God and man when hee lyued and now in Ioyes in heauen truely and for euer honorable But the Antecedent is true by English Protetestants whoe by their Heralds of armes allowe and practice that all Inferiours shall giue and yeeld the same honour to the bodie of the honorable parson deceased that was due vnto him lyuing his soule and bodie beeing vnited and this though in all morall Iudgment the soule of such an one is damned And this is the custome and ceremonie not onely with Heralds but vsed in Court ratified by their Bishops Doctors and Vniuersities as many and late examples teache which I will vrge no further but desire all may liue and die well that they may leaue behinde them sufficient or some motiue eyther to bee honored or helped by the prayers and deuotions of the lyuinge The consequence is euidently true and thus demonstrated for as excellencie is the cause of honor and ciuill excellency of ciuill and terrene honor so spirituall or religeous excellency of spirituall and such honor And much more for the ciuill honor and motiue thereof is onely ens rationis an inuention worthines and attribute of men and nothing at all Inherent in the bodie or soule of the partie so honored when the other excellency and cause of honor is both permanent and an Inherent dignitie as is proued before of inherent Iustice and for euer remayneth in the soule glorified in the presence of God his Saints and Angells in heauen and

and the Hebrue Greeke Apostles also as Athenians But now sixe yeares triall hath taught that it is one thinge to dreame of tongues an other to knowe them And now they are said to be at a stand And would willingly giue ouer but that the Kings authoritie requireth an end But that your most learned Maiestie may se what is to be hoped for from them least the Churches be forced to buy bables for the word of God I will in few words deleuer that it may appeace that such pore students are not to be suffered to lest with the Kinge and the flocke Hitherto this greate linguists oration his exceptions are to tedious to be recited Onely because these men haue so magnified the Hebrue text of the old testament in respect of the septuaginta and vulgare Latine now this greate searcher of Hebrue monuments can heare onely for hee neuer se either of them of two perfect Hebrue copies of the old testament in all the world and both they be in the Iewes custodye one in Hierusalem and the other at Nehardegh in Mosopotamia Veteris testamenti duo exemplaria tam accurata atque mens humana prouidere potuit seruantur à Iudaeis Hierosolymis alterum alterum Nehardeghae in Mesopotamia Then if wee haue no better comfort from these Hebritians for a true Hebrue text then that England neither hath had or can procure any and none is to be had but from our Enemyes the Iewes and yet if they could procure a true copie which they haue not done there is not any one in England by their owne Iudgments able truely to translate it and these last translators were weary of their entreprise and would haue giuen it ouer after sixe yeares experience of their disabilitie but that the Kings Maiesties pleasure was to haue one end or other wee may not easely admitt such translations for holy scriptures nor Religion deduced from them for a true Religion And ●his the rather because since the birth of this new translation it is condemned by their owne approued writeings I will omitt others and onely cite one place out of their late commended history of the world in these Histor of the world l. 1. cap. ● §. 14. Chron 2. cap. 21. v. 16. The Protest new transl sup words The ill translation of Ethiopia for Chus is amonge other places made moste apparant in the second of Chronicles in these words So the Lord styrred vpp against Iehoram the spiritt of the Philistines and the Arabians which confine the Ethiopians The Geneua translation hath it which were besides the Ethiopians the new English readeth thus more ouer the lord stirred vpp against Iohoram the spiritt of the Philistines and of the Arabians that were neare the Ethiopians Now how farre it is betweene the Philistines and the Negros or Ethiopians euery man that looketh in a mapp may Iudge For hee Philistines and Arabians doe mixt and ioyne with the land of the Chusites and are distant from Ethiopia about two and thirtie or three and thirtie degrees and therefore not their next neighbours but all Egipt and the deserts of Sur and Pharan are betweene them And to aggrauate this matter the more these new Protestant translators takeing vppon them to translate the old testament out of the Hebrue and new out of the Greeke and onely alloweing those texts in words are so farre from performing it in deeds that in the old testament they haue forsaken the Hebrue text diuers thowsands of times as may be proued by their owne merginall obseruations of that matter my leasure was not to recompt them all but in Genesis the first booke they haue thus behaued themselues aboue two hundred tymes and after the same rate in all the rest As in the 5. 20. and 25. chapter of the booke of Iudges fourtye times Fyfteene tymes in Sam. l. 1. cap. 18. in the 2. Booke of Samuel in cap. 22. thirteene times in cap. 1. 7. 18 20. in fower chapters aboue fyfty times in the third booke of Kings And so they deale with the Greeke in the new testament and in the old testament where the scripture is written in the Chaldy and Hebrue mixed as in the time of captiuitie so they vse the Chaldy tongue as in Esra cap. 4. they forsake the Hebrue thrise and the Chaldye eleuen or twelue times in the second chapter of Daniel they leaue it thirteene times in the third chapter twelue times in the 5. chapter neyne times c. and in these and other places where they refuse the originall tonge as for example the Hebrue they doe it not many times to preferre either the vulgare Latine Septuagin●a or Syriacke but their owne conceipt and Imagination Yet in places where they forsake the originall to preferre any of the other it is euidently against their owne profession and Religion and in places of their former translations censured by Mr. Gregory Martyne or other English Catholicks they often times neither regard their owne or ours but giue vs new scriptures and reuelations of their owne thoughe not many times in greate matters and so in this multiplication and chaunge of scriptures they haue also multiplied and chaunged Religion deduced from them and for that one Article of their auntient creed I beleeue in the holy ghost may now say by such proceedings wee beleeue in the foure and fourtie English Protestant holy Ghosts For whosoeuer reiect all texts of scripture as their owne marginall obseruations tell vs they doe though as before often not in great things yet sometimes otherwise and deny vnwritten traditions of this kinde must needs be in such estate CHAPTER VI. PROVETH BY THESE PROtestants that the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures is against them and for the doctrine of the Romane Church AFTER these I am to entreate of the true lawfull and Iuridicall Exposition of holy scriptures And that it belongeth to the Church of Rome haueing both the true scriptures the true translation of them and it self haueing power and authoritie being the true Church of Christ to propose it to all Christians and not to these Protestants for no companie or congregation of men wanting and denying diuers bookes of scriptures in which diuers Articles of Religion as prayer to Angels their patronadge prayer and sacrifice for the Deade meritt of good workes c. are directly proued not so apparently taught in other scriptures besides followeing and alloweing erroneous and corrupt translations can haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures especially hauing no Iurisdiction ouer others by their owne graunt But the English Protestants are in this state Therefore they haue not this true lawfull and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures Bothe propositions are graunted before and so nothinge remaineth to be proued in this argument Further I argue thus No priuate Interpretation of scriptures by conference of places and such Rules as Protestants assigne for Interpreteinge scripture is bindeing or iuridicall But all Protestant Expositions in respect of true byndeing

things appertayning vnto God but their priuate Interpretations and deductions suteing with their humour is the worde of God aswell as if it were sett downe in scripture worde for worde as M. Wotton hath told vs before My next Argument is this No people or professors of Religion freely acknowledgeing that all Rules in their Religion though their best approued and moste publicke to be moste reuerenced and respected be subiect to error may erre and haue erred in things belongeing to God are erroneous vnconstant variable often recant and correct their publicke proceedeings in such things can be saide to haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures otherwise there is a lawfull and true Iurisdiction and power to bynde them of their Religion both to errors in things against God and misbeleefe in this life and to eternall damnation the peneltie thereof in the next But the Protestants of England are in this Condition by their owne Iudgment Therefore they haue not the true and Iuridicall exposition and Interpretation of scriptures The Maior is proued before and directly by M. Wottons Wotton sup words all matters concluded logically out of the scriptures are the worde of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it word for word But the worde of God neither is nor can be erroneous to be recanted amended corrected c. therefore the Maior is moste certainely true by these men And the Minor also is proued by them in this order They haue graunted before that a general Councell is the highest Iudge And yet in publicke and subscribed Articles haue these Articl of Relig. art ●1 wordes Generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayning vnto God Wherefore thinges ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore no certayne Interpretation with them for they haue assured vs Feild pag. 228. that a generall Councell may expownd scripture and by authoritie suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretations to excommunication and Censures of like nature and is by them the highest Iudge hath no more priuiledge but to erre and be examined and controlled by inferior for none is higher as before Reprouers and particular Interpreters amonge them whome as they haue also taught before wee are not bounde to beleeue but be so vile corrupt and erroneous as they haue confessed there is none amonge them to decide things in controuersie or define a truthe And least any man should absurdely say that their Conuocation Parlament or any other pretendeing superiotie among them in these matters should be better able to Iudge and interprett scriptures then Bishops assembled in a generall Councell Willet Antilog first D. Willet writeth thus In England the temporall prince is gouernour Ruler cheefe ouerseer praef Engl. pag. 71. 120. 150. 43. Pref. 19 the Reader in Antill and steward of the Church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet hee addeth Neither hee nor their Church hath any priuiledge from error but playnely protesteth they must take out a new lesson and learne to reforme their erroneous conceites Which their Bishop D. Doue alloweth to haue beene their state from the first originall of their Doue persuas pag. 31. protestancie in England his wordes and graunt are these When the Mass● was first putt downe Kinge Henry had his English liturgie and that was iudged absolute without exception but when Kinge Edwarde came to the Crowne that was condemned and an other in the place which Peter Martir and Bucer did approue as very consonant to Gods worde When Q. Eliz●●eth began he● Raigne the former was Iudged to be full of Imperfections and a new was deuised and allowed by the consent of the Cleargie but about the middle of her Raigne wee were weary of that booke and greate meanes haue beene wrought to abandon that and establishe an other wee doe at the leaste at euery chaunge of prince chaunge our booke of Common prayers wee be so wanton that wee know not what wee woulde haue Hitherto this Protestant Bishop of the publicke proceedings in their Religion And hee freely confesseth errors in all these their states and chaunges And this their flitting from error to error findeinge no Center or hope of settleing in truth hath so perplexed euen their best learned that a late Protestant writer amonge them hath these wordes The late Archbishoppe of Canterbury D. Whiteguist as is credibly reported Suruey of the B. of com prayer pag. 159. 160. tooke such a greife when their communion booke was to be amended discouered by these or like wordes good Lord when shall wee know● what to trust vnto that hee presently fell into his palssy was curryed from the Court and dyed shortely after And D. Morton D. Couell M. Wotton Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. Couell ag Burg. pag. 75. 43. Wotton def pag. 42. c. M. Middleton and now the vniuersitie of Cambridge teacheth it is a generall position there is none in their Church whose Iudgment is Infallible Then I conclude their Interpretations be false and their Religion erroneous vncertayne and false for they haue graunted before that the worde of God which is Infallible moste certayne and vndoubted is the grounde of true Religion and euery article in it so fownded But these their highest and best sentences in Religion being so erroneous to be corrected fallible deceatfull c. must needs be the worde of lyeinge and deceatefull men or the wicked spiritt and in no wayes the holy Infallible and moste certayne word of God who can neither be deceaued in himself or deceaue others Further thus I argue whosoeuer teach not onely that the whole Christian world may erre in things pertayning to God but are bownde to receaue such errors vnder payne of excommunication and like Censures and yet teach this from scriptures cannot be said to haue their true Interpretation But the Protestants of England by their owne testimonie are in this state Therefore haue not this true Iuridicall Interpretation of scriptures The Maior proposition is euidently true for so God that is iust should ordayne Iurisdiction and power to bynde men to things vniust such as errors in Religion be and these Protestants though to excuse or alleuiate their owne Heresies they affirme that any particular Church or a generall Councell may erre in this maner yet they deny it of the whole Churche in which cause D. Feild pag. 203. l. 4. c. 5. Feild writeth in these wordes wee thinke that particular men and Churches may erre damnably because notwithstanding others may worship God aright but that the whole Churche at one time cannot so erre for that the Churche should cease vtterly for a time and so not be Catholicke being not at all times and Christ should sometimes be without a Church Thus it is euident by these Protestants for the wordes wee

in his Iudgment the Indulgence or release as the nature thereof requireth must be free and liberall and not a commutation or chaunge for guifts or money which in Protestants denying the enioyninge of penance must needs be wicked and Symoniacall Fourthly thus I argue Whosoeuer graunt and allowe Authoritie to absolute penitents in confession both a paena culpa from the punishment and guilt of synne must mayntaine the doctrine of Indulgences But these English Protestants graunt authoritie to absolue both from the guilt and punishment of synne therefore they must mayntayne the doctrine of Indulgences The Maior proposition is often proued and allowed before The Minor is thus demonstratiuely confirmed out of the communion Booke receaued in the Kings Canons where in the Com. Booke Tit. visitat of the sicke treatise of the visitation of the sicke their Rule and direction is sett downe in these wordes Here shall the sicke parson make a speciall confession if hee feele his conscience troubled with any weightie Matter After which confession the preist shall absolue him after this sorte Our Lord IESVS CHRIST whoe hath left power in this Church to absolue all sinners which truely repent and beleeue in him of his greate mercie forgiue thee thine offences and by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins in the name of the Father and of the Sonne and of the holy Ghost Amen Where wee see not onely a Iuridicall and authoritatiue absolution from all sins giuen by Protestants diuinitie by the Preists as there they call their Ministers expressed in these Iudiciall and iuridicall words the Preist shall absolue him Christ hath left power in his Church to absolue all sinners by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins c. But also as full and powerable authoritie arrogated and vsurped of them to giue plenatie pardons and Indulgences of the seueritie due for sin before by their owne confession and that in more lardge illimited and ample order then the Pope himself teacheth or practizeth For first they generally hold that notwithstanding any punishment or seueritie that such a parson had deserued for his sinnes yett after their such absolution and authoritatiue Indulgence without any penance to bee performed either in this life or in Purgatorie which they deny presently after the separation of his soule from the bodie hee is in heauen and euer dureing happines Secondly their Rubricke and Religion is to giue these plenarie pardons to all requesting them Thirdly euery priuate minister is allowed to giue these plenaries which neither Preists nor Bishops themselues with vs can ordinarily doe Fourthly they giue these there plenary Indulgences without any iust cause or any cause of pietie at all which the Pope himself neuer doth concerning Bull. Martini Extrau vnigenitus such punishments for sins as are payed in purgatorie or the like as is euident not onely by the writings of all moderne Catholicks of this time but by these lawes Clement●● 6. Bonau d. 20. 1. p. q. vlt. Ric. ibidem q. 1. ma. q. 2. Gabr. lect 57. in can Missa Gersō q. de hacre Aug. de Ancon in summa q. 30. ar 4. 5. Adr. Ca. Sot Cord. Ledesm q. 20. c. Canons and former Catholicke Doctors here cited and others Lastely thus I argue whosoeuer teach the distinction of mortall and veniall sins depriuinge not depriuing of grace allowe seueritie punishmēt for sinne both cōmitted and remitted denying purgatorie say all the elect presently after death are in heauen must needs teach the doctrine of Indulgences and in more ample maner then catholicks doe But the English Protestants before and commonely soe teache Therfore they must so allowe of Indulgences Bothe propositions are euidently true and confessed by Protestants and neede no probation Therefore the catholick doctrine of Indulgences may not bee denied by English Protestāts They thēselues though in words denying yett in practice exercisinge it in an higher measure then is vsed by the Pope himself as I haue proued before And may further add from their communion booke where it is registred in these wordes In the Com. Booke tit commination § Brethren primatiue Church there was a godly discipline that at the begynninge of Lent such parsons as were notorious synners were putt to open penance and punished in this world that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lord and that other admonished by their example might be the more afraide to offend That the said discipline may be restored is a thinge much to be wished Where they graunt not onely a punishment for example of others to take heed to offend and to satisfie their congregation but to satisfy God for their syns committed against him by their words to be putt to penance and punished in this worlde that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lorde For as their frend M. Higgons publickly preached and with priuiledge printed As Theoph. Higg ser 3. Mart. An. 1610. there is a death in syn and a death to syn so there is a double resurrection the first à culpa from syn the second à paena from the punishment which followeth therevppon Therefore these men graunting such temporall punishments due for syn euen when and where the culpa syn or guilt is forgiuen and yett not exercising any such discipline or punishment for syn must needs in their owne proceedings allowe of Indulgences in a farre more large ample or rather prodigall and presumpteous maner then is or at any time was vsed in the Church of Rome CHAPTER XIII Of the publicke Seruice of the churche in Latine or greeke and not in the vulgare Tonges NOW lett vs speake of the Relators laste scruple a straunge Tonge in de●●tions as hee termeth our latine church seruice which allthough it bee both in it self and his Iudgment a matter ceremoniall in Religion and soe entreated of and proued before yett I will breefely iustifie it by these Protestants themselues in particular and argue thus That which was the practice of the churche of Christ from the first conuersion of nations vnto him vntill this age of Protestants is still to bee obserued or lawfully may But the publicke church seruice to bee in the latine tonge in this part of the worlde wherein wee liue was euer soe vsed and practized Therefore still it ought or may bee soe lawfully continued The first proposition is euidently true and before often graunted by these Protestants The seconde is thus proued by D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Doue persuasion Pag. 23. 24. cap. of prayer Peterboroughe his words bee these Vntill of late sc these dayes of protestancie throughout the west part of the worlde publicke prayers were in Latine in the east part in Greeke euen amonge those nations to whome these languadges were no mother tonges And this the confesseth to haue beene the custome from the first conuersion of nations For these two

Protestants in the last chapter yet to giue it a further though needles confirmation I proue it againe in this order to be a sacrifice externall and publicke That doctrine which that Church which is esteemed by Protestants to be the true Church teacheth is to be allowed But this doctrine of Christs blessed bodie and blood to be ouer publicke sacrifice in the Church is such Therefore it is so to be allowed The first proposition is often graunted before and the second of the Greeke Churches opinion and practice both at this present and from the time of the primatiue dayes of christianitie to be agreeable with the present Romane Church is iustified by the Protestant Relator of Religion in the chapter of holy ceremonies His words to make Relation cap. 53. or c. 54. a new repetition of that Churches doctrine are these With Rome they concurr in the opinion of transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auricular confession in offering of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and in these without any or with no materiall difference They hold purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures For the forme and Cap. 55. ceremonies of the Masse they much resemble the Latines In crosseings they are verie plentifull In summe Relat. of Relig c. 53. or 54 sup all those opinions which grew into the Church before that seperation betweene the Greekes and Latines and all those ceremonies which were common vnto bothe they still retaine Then this doctrine and practice of this publicke sacrifice beinge not onely the vse of these two Churches now but before their seperation which these Protestants in that place haue told vs Cap. 11. sup to haue beerie 1200. yeares agoe must still with reuerence be obserued Which this Protestant Relator shall here confirme againe Relat. sup cap. 53. or 54. speakinge of the present Greeke Church in these words Their liturgies be the same that in the olde time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregories which is the same that the Romane Church now vseth translated without any bending them to that chaunge of language which their tonge hath suffered M. Middleton also Middleton papistomast pag. 51. Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 81. telleth vs of the Masses of Basile Chrisostome and Epiphanius and that in them the deade were prayed for D. Morton goeth higher to the dayes of the Apostles citing and allowing not onely the Masses of S. Basile and S. Chrisostome but S. Iames the Apostle himself Wherefore I hope hee and others will be the better pleased to accept the Censure of Hieremias the Constantinopolitane Patriarke taking vppon him to be supreame in that Church vttered in these words The holy Masse is a sacrifice Hierem. in censur instituted of Christ in memorie and commendation of all his mercie and humilitie sustayned for our sakes Saint Iames the Apostle called our Lords Brother first reduced into order that liturgie and Sacrifice being so instructed of Christ to doe it In all parts of that holy sacrifice nothing els is handled but an vniuersall order of things which our Sauiour vndertooke for our Redemption How these primatiue Masses liturgies or formes of the B. sacrifice of Christs bodie and blood in all questions and articles of Religion agree with that which the Romane Church now practizeth from S. Gregorie as these men before allowe and others write from S. Peter the Apostle is apparant in those liturgies and Masses and too longe to be cited in this place And from hence thus I argue againe That doctrine and publicke practice of Sacrifice or other which was instituted by Christ practized by his Apostles and such holy Saincts and Doctors of the Churche as Sainct Basile S. Chrisostome S. Epiphanius and S. Gregorie were may and ought still to be obserued kept and vsed But the doctrine and practice of our publicke Church Sacrifice or Masse is such Therefore it may and ought still to be kept and vsed The first proposition is moste euidently true and cannot be denied by any true Christian and the Minor is before proued in these laste Protestants allowed citations and may further be confirmed by these Protestant writers D. Sutcl●ffe writeth thus Wee reade in Ignatius this phrase offerre and sacrificium Sutcliff subu pag. 32. immolare to offer and immolate sacrifice and like phrases in Irenaeus Ciprian Tertullian and Martialis who mentioneth also Altares And these words and the things truely signified by them Altare and Sacrifice are in the Greeke and other tongues so vnseperably ioyned and knitt together that D. Morton doth thus acknowledge Wee cannot dislike the sentence Morton App. pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. Sect. 1. concerning the mutuall relation and dependance betweene an Altare and sacrifice but graunt that altare doth as naturally and necessarily inferre a Sacrifice as a shryne doth a Saint a father a sonne And againe it is truely said Sacrifice and preisthood are Relatiues Then for altares hee hath hard before that they were in the Apostles time and consequently Masse the Christian sacrifice was then for hee hath told vs they cannot be seperated And his Protestant Bishops in their late Theater will putt him out of all doubt that from the beginnynge of Christianitie euen in England such altares for sacrifice were vsed of the Christians Their words be these It is reported that Theater of greate Brit. pag. 205. n. 12. pag. 204. Patrick the Irish Apostle and canonized Saint longe before the Raigne of Kinge Lucius preached the Ghospel in many places of Wales And also that Ninianus Bernicius of the race of the Brittish princes conuerted the Picts to the Religion of Christ To which effect also the sayings of S. Iohn Chrisostome Bishop of Constantinople enforce And amonge Ilands expressely nameth this our Brittayne Whose Inhabitants saith hee haue also consented to the word which is planted in euery harte in honor whereof they haue erected their temples and Altares Thus in the Brittans tyme that S. Augustine brought in Altares Masse and the ceremonyes thereof is proued by these Protestants in other places And the Theater it self setteth this for one of the Questions of S. Augustine to S. Gregory Guifts Theat pag. 330. offerred on the Altare how to be distributed asked by Augustine of Pope Gregory And thus they write of Kinge Redwald After baptisme returninge to Idolatry Pag. 333. in one and the same temple after the maner of the olde Samaritans hee erected an Altare for the seruice of Christ and an other little Altare for burnt sacrifices which stood vnto the dayes of Beda himself And longe before againe in the Brittans tyme they tell vs of Preists stayne standinge at the Altars And againe in Pag. 291. Pag. 317. Gildas tyme 1200. yeares since oathes taken vppon the Altars made of stome And to secure D. Morton what the sacrifice offered vppon those Altars was they tell vs that in this primatiue tyme in

is also the other being one and the same The second proposi●ion Doue persuas pag. 27. 28. is thus proued by D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Peterboroug in these words Concerning the number of Sacraments wee will not dispute for accordinge to their Catholicks definition of a Sacrament there bee seuen Then much more as I haue demonstrated there must bee so many by Protestants definition of Sacraments As for his ouerplus number more then seuen which hee addeth if hee can proue it hee shall deserue better then in writing that booke in findeing forth more holy instruments of grace and sanctification then hitherto haue beene knowne in the meane time God graunte him more and better knowledge with grace But in that hee graunteth our number of seuen Sacraments according to our definition it is as much as wee contend and all which hitherto they haue denyed for when Catholicks entreate of Sacraments their number grace forme matter Character c. they speake of them accordinge as they are defined and taken in the Catholicke Churche and schooles and come not to Protestants either to define or determine them or any other question in Religion Yett as before except I am to old to remember my Logicke or this Bishop neuer did or now will not vnderstand it if the definition of Catholicks more particulare and limited extendeth to seuen Sacraments That of Protestants more lardge or generall will stretch as farre and further except the lesse is greater then that which is greater then it two more then three the Species more ample in Logicke then Genus and in grammar our degrees of comparison bee altered the positiue turned into the comparatiue superlatiue and contrary I argue againe in this maner wheresoeuer in controuersie of any question in Religion betweene two societies whereof one is in the truthe the aduerse parte it self doth graunt that their opinion is not true by their owne proceedings There the contrary is to bee adiudged true otherwise against the supposition neither should haue the truthe but both be in error But in this questiō this is the case between Catholicks and Protestants the Protestants acknowleding more Sacraments by their proceedeings then twoe Therefore the Catholicke doctrine of seuen Sacraments is true The Maior is infallibly true and so proued by Protestants graunteing generally either their Religion and doctrine or that of Catholicks Petition of 22. preachers excep 3. against comm Booke Suruey of the Booke of comm prayer pag. 117. quaest 26. pag. 134 135. 132. 133. 120. to be true The Minor is proued by the 22. preachers of london in their petition who resolutely affirme that Protestants must needs yeeld to more then two by their proceedings Therefore to the Catholicke doctrine of seuen Sacraments els their supposition should be false and all Religions in error in so greate a Question Which is further confirmed by the Protestant Surueyors of their communion booke teacheing the same doctrine and expressely iustifyinge it in Confirmation Penance and Matrimonie And to shew their opinion and censure in this thinge to be iust I demonstrate both them and the rest to bee Sacraments by English Protestant proceedings in this maner by the thinges they require to a Sacrament Whatsoeuer is a visible Signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God or a visible signe with grace is a Sacrament But all those seuen taught by Catholicks are such therefore they are Sacraments The Maior is the Protestants definition of a Sacrament as the same 22. 22. Preachers in petition sup excep 2. Protestant preachers testifie euen from their approued bookes of Articles and Communion and the Booke of Articles it self to which all Ministers subscribe testifieth in these words Sacraments ordeined by Articles of Religion artic 25. Christ be certaine suer wittnesses and effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towardes vs by the which hee doth worke inuisibly in vs c. All which being not onely graunted by Catholickes but further expressely that to the worthie receauers they conteyne and giue grace ex opere operato of themselues where due preparation and disposition is as the Councell of Trent hath declared Cōcil Tridēt decret de Sacram. sup which is all and more then Protestants ordinarily require to Sacraments it must needs followe by D. Doue his graunt before that all those seuen esteemed by Catholicks for Sacraments conteyne all those things which these Protestants require vnto Sacraments because they agree as hee hath confessed with the Catholicke Doue supr persuas pag. 27. 28. definition of Sacraments which as before conteyneth all and more then Protestants demaund Further thus I argue All of those other seuen accompted amonge Catholicks for Sacraments which haue a visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God as Baptisme and Eucharist haue bee Sacraments as they are But all those other fyue reiected by Protestants haue such visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned by God Therefore they bee Sacraments The Maior is the graunt of their owne subscribed Article wherein Articl of Relig. sup art 25. admittinge Baptisme and the Eucharist for Sacraments in these words There are twoe Sacraments ordeined of Christ our Lord in the Ghospell that is to say Baptisme and the supper of the Lorde They refuse the others for this onely cause as followeth Those fyue commonly called Sacraments that is to say Confirmation Penance Orders Matrimonie and Extreme Vnction are not to bee compted Sacraments of the Ghospell for that they haue not any visible signe or ceremonie ordeined of God So that all I haue to proue by this highest Protestant sentence to proue them Sacraments is that they haue a visible signe or ceremonie ordeyned of God For which I produce D. Doue againe graunting our definition to agree with these for our schooles put a Sacrament in genere signi and so farre hold that they are all instituted by Christ that the Councell of Trent defineth thus Si quis dixerit Sacramenta Cōcil Trid. decret d● Sacram. nouae legis non fuisse omnia a Iesu Christo domino nostro instituta aut esse plura vel pauciora quam septem videlicet Baptismum Confirmationem c. Anathema sit If any man shall say that all the Sacraments of the new lawe were not instituted of Iesus Christ our Lord or that there bee more or fewer then seuen that is Baptisme Confirmation Eucharist Penance Extreame Vnction Orders and Matrimonie or els that any of these seuen is not truely and properly a Sacrament lett him bee Anathema Againe these Protestants will further tell vs in particular how euery of those fyue hath a ceremonie visible or externall ordayned of God and so to bee Sacraments and first for Confirmation thus I argue Whatsoeuer hath an externall ceremonie Confirmation proued a Sacrament by Protestāts instituted by Christ signifyeing or giucing grace is a Sacrament But by these Protestants Confirmation is such Therefore a Sacrament The Maior is at lardge proued and graunted before The Minor is

of hande is Diuinae ordinationis and de iure diuino The ordinance of God and by his diuine lawe From which doctrine graunted by them in so publicke assemblie one of their owne fellowes in Religion inferreth this conclusion in these termes If the English Protestants opinion bee maintained Certaine cōs pag. 46. that Bishops Iurisdiction is de iure diuino his Maiestie and all the Nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Neither do I vrdge these Protestants Authorities The Authors intēt and meaning by prouing seuen Sacramēts by Protestants how to bee vnderstood either for this or the other Sacraments that I seeme to graunt vnto Protestants that number of seuen Sacraments to bee among them to whome as to other Hereticks of any other now want a true and lawfull succession in orders as they do I can onely allow two Sacraments Baptisme and Marriage whereof the first for the necessitie thereof may bee in such cases of extremitie as this Inundation of heresie is not onely bee administred by Hereticks but Infidells themselues retayning the true matter forme and Intention due in that holy Sacrament And the other of Matrimony not requiring as of the essence thereof the operation of the Preist Yett do I not graunt the grace of this Sacrament to any Protestant or other out of vnitie of the Catholicke Church out of which as there is no saluation so no grace to bee hoped for bringing men to eternall beatitude But seeing this number of seuen Sacraments hath beene so much Impugned by Protestants and denied by them to bee in the true Catholicke Church which before I haue proued the present Church of Rome to bee I haue now made demostration by them selues that by their owne proceedings they ought to allow this number vnto the Church of Rome And now I proceede in like maner to Matrimonie and Extreame vnction and in the first I argue thus That which hath an externall or visible Matrimonie a Sacrament by English Protestāts signe or Ceremonie instituted of God signifying or giuing grace and sanctification is an holy estate honorable representing the grace of vnion betweene Christ and his Church is a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such therefore a Sacrament The Maior consisteth of the Protestant definition of a Sacrament wholly conteyning it and more them Protestants require vnto it and so cannot by them bee denied The Minor is proued by their owne publike directorie where in the treatise intituled The forme of solemnization of Comm. Booke tit Matrim §. dearely c. Matrimonie it is called in these termes Holy Matrimonie an honorable estate instituted of God signifying vnto vs the mysticall vnion which is betweene Christ and his Church which holy estate Christ adorned and bewtified with his presence and first miracle And in an other place it is named holy wedlocke §. For asmuch c. To which purpose tendeth also that their prayer ouer those that bee married in these words God the father God the sonne God the Sup. §. God c. holy Ghost blesse preserue and keepe you the Lord mercifully with his fauour looke vppon you and so fill you with all spirituall benediction and grace Againe thus I argue That externall visible ceremonie or signe that is consecrated of God to such an excellent misterie as to signifie the spirituall Marriadge betwixt Christ and his Church and by the grace and bonde whereof men are bound to loue their wyues as their owne bodies to leaue Father and Mother to whome by nature wee are so much bownde and to bee but one fleesh with his wiffe c. must needs bee a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such by Protestants of England Therefore by them to bee esteemed a Sacrament The Maior is manifestly true in it self And the Minor in those §. ô God §. all yee which words and more expressely to proue it a Sacrament sett downe in that their publicke directorie in the places here cited And had not the licentious wantonnes of these men soe much for their ownc lasciuiousnes mayntayninge Marriadge and accomptinge it an holy state in those of the cleargie in whom the holy Fathers before name it incest sacriledge and matter of excommunication disliked of the inseperabilitie betweene man and wife which beeing graunted for a Sacrament it bringeth with it they would neuer haue denyed vnto it that dignitie and denomination To which soe often and many pluralities of wiues in their ministry it self and some Protestant Bishops amonge them vntill a little restraint was ordayned by his Maiestie in parlament are more then The Sacrament of Extreame vnction Iacob 5. v. 14. 15. sufficient testimonie in this case That Extreame-Vnction is a Sacrament by their Articles and S. Iames his doctryne in his epistle ●eceaued by them for canonicall is more then manifest And soe manifest that except credible Protestant Testimonies deceaue mee greater Protestant Authoritie hath soe graunted then these their Doctors may contradict In which I will bee silent and onely add in this place that their Communion Booke it self and their common doctrine conteyned in their Catechisme there set downe to bee beleeued of all sufficiently insinuate that either there be seuen Sacraments as Catholicks beleeue or at the leaste more then two accordinge to their Article doctrine before For in proceedinge dialoguewise by question and answeare their words be these Question How Communiō Booke Tit. Catechisme many Sacraments hath Christ ordeyned in his Church Answeare two onely as generally necessary to saluation that is to say Baptisme and the supper of the Lorde Where the words generally and necessary to saluation do emply that there be others not generally to be receaued of all as Matrimony is peculiar to the marryed Orders to cleargie men c. neyther are these absolute necessary to saluation otherwise the vnmaryed and virgyns could not bee saued all women which are vncapable of preisthood should be damned and none but cleargie men saued c. And these Protestants doe not holde that those words generally necessary to saluation are essentiall to the definition of a Sacrament which they define in the next words followeinge in this maner By this word Sacrament I meane an Catechis supr outward and visible signe of an Inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same and a pledge to assure vs thereof Which aswell proueth the Catholick doctryne that Sacraments giue grace of which hereafter as also that which I haue vrged in this place CHAPTER XX. PROVING BY THESE PROtestants the Catholicke doctrine of an Indeleble Character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders CONCERNING the Catholicke doctrine of the Church of Rome teaching a spirituall Character to bee impressed in some of these Sacraments and hitherto denyed by Protestants The Councell of Trent hath thus defined In three Sacraments Baptisme Confirmation Cōcil Tridēt Sess 7. cap. 4. and Orders a Character is

the pictures of the Cherubyns Then if the pictures of Cherubins being mere Creatures were publickly in the temple worshipped how much more is the picture and Imadge of their and our Lord Iesus Christ to be had in reuerence and so to be vsed And so of Imadges of his seruants and Saincts in their due proportion Because the Saincts themselues may be honored and prayed vnto as I am to proue by these Protestants in the next chapter And this is further proued by these Protestant Theat of gr Britt pag. 342. n. 2. Bishop in their Theater where they testifie in these words By the cleargie that are accompted the light of the worlde in a Councell at Rome held vnder Pope Constantyne the first it was decreed and commaunded that carued Imadges should be made to the memoriall of Saints and should be set vp in Churches with respectiue adoration Which is to be referred vnto and terminated in the prototypa Saints represented by such Imadges and by such Images yeelded vnto them and in them ended And in an other place they call such Imadges Monuments of Christian Religion and sufficiently proue they were euen from the time of Christ both vsed for the memory and reuerence of Christ or his Saints whome they represented Their words of the miraculous Imadge erected in honor of Christ by the woman in the Ghospell cured by the hemm of his garment touched and reuerenced by her testified by Eusebius and others are these Iulian the Apostata destroyeth all monuments of Theat pag. 266. Christian Religion amonge others the Imadge of Christ made of brasse at Caesarea Philippi where the miraculously curing herbe grewe And they condemne him for this wickednes in ouerthrowing that Imadge erected to the honor of Christ and miraculously confirmed both to be religeously erected to his honor and so continued But let vs come into our owne nation where they will giue vs some light though by them misted what they can in what reuerence these haue beene vsed in this Iland euen from the first conuersion of the Brittaynes and euer after both with Kings and subiects Of Subiects thus they write In Diocletian his time a thowsand Saints suffered Martyrdome at Lichfeild in Theat pag. 206. n. 19. memorye whereof the citye beareth armes to this day in an Eschacheon of Landskip sondry parsons diuersly martyred Of our Christian primatiue Kings Pag. 207. n. 22. first they write thus Our Kings ranked for sanctitie before all other potentates of the earth as Vincentius Pag. 206. n. 20. recordeth Then thus The virgin Mary with her sonne in her Armes in the ensigne of Arthur so often desplayed for Christ doth shewe the badge of that ages Christianitie And againe In Pag. 207. n. 21. the auntient Charters of the fowndation of Glastenbury it is called Origo Religionis in Anglia in an other Tumulum Sanctorum ab ipsis discipulis Domini aedificatum fuisse vener abilem The beginninge of Religion in England that it was a graue of Saints builded by the disciples of our Lord and vener able Kinge Arthur benefactor vnto it his Armes there an Escucheon whereon a crosse with the virgin Mary in the first quarter is set and held to be the Armes of that Abbey And further of our English Kings in this order from the yeare of Christ 643. they testifie how they honoured these holy Imadges in their moste honorable Ensignes and badges of honor Kinge Oswy giueth Pag. 385. n. c. a playne crosse in euery part a Lyon Rampant The next Kinge Wlfhere a S. Andrewes crosse So these Kings following Kinge Ethelred Kenred Chelred Ethelbald Offa Egfride Kenwolfe to the yeare 800. And so they recompt after of Kinge Egbert Ethelwolfe Ethelbald Ethelbert Ethelred Elfred Edward syrnamed the elder Ethelstan Edmund Edred Edwy Edgar Edward syrnamed the Martyr Ethelred Edmund syrnamed Ironsyde and Edward the Confessor And of these English Kings in an other place they write in this maner The Saxons before Kinge William his time vsed onely Pag. 424. n. 60. to signe their Charters with guilt crosses and such markes So greate and respectiue regard our blessed Kings of that happy age bore vnto such Imadges signes and remembrances of our Sauiour and his holy Saints that euen in their temporall actions they euer had them in presence and memory Much more in Churches and places of holy worshipp where they vsed them in as religeous respects as the Romane Church doth at this time as wee may gather by the very words of these Protestants in this booke where they write of Kinge Inas esteemed a Saint by these men themselues in these Theat pag. 298. 299. words Kinge Ine buildeth the renowned Abbey of Glastenbury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old cell of Ioseph of Aremathea which this Kinge Ina after a most sumptuous maner new built the chapell whereof hee garnished with gold and syluer and gaue rich ornaments thereto as Altare Chalice Censor Candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the Altare of an incredible value And how these Imadges were vsed so placed in cheefest place of adoration and with such other Instruments of Catholicke worshipp wee cannot make a question If wee should they will direct vs and make it euident that such reuerence as Catholicks now vse was then vsed vnto them Their words of Kinge Canutus are these Canutus the Danes Theat pag. 205. n. 17. greatest Kinge so soone as hee became a Christian in England held it his cheefest maiestie to be the vassall of Christ And with such deuotion as then was taught crowned the Crucifixe at Winchester with the crowne hee wore and neuer after through all his Raigne by any meanes would weare the same CHAPTER X. WHEREIN THE CATHOLICKE doctrine of prayer and honor to Saincts and Angells is proued true by these English Protestants writers NEXT I must by the Protestant Relator his order entreate of Supplication to Saints and to Angells consequently Of this matter thus wee reade in the Councell of Trent The holy Councell doth commaunde Concil trident sess 9. all Bishops and others which haue the office and chardge of teaching That according to the vse of the Catholicke and Apostolicke Church receaued from the primatiue times of Christian Religion and the consent of holy Fathers and decrees of holy Councells cheefely that they diligently instruct the faithfull of the Intercession of Saincts Inuocation honor of Relicks and lawfull vse of Imadges teaching them that it is good that the Saincts which raigne with Christ offer their prayers to God for men and that it is profitable humbly to call vppon them and to fly to their prayers ayde and helpe to obtayne benefites of God by his sonne Iesus Christ our Lord who alone is our Redeemer and Sauiour Hitherto the doctrine of Catholicks in this Question Now let vs argue from these English Protestants to the same purpuse First I

argue thus All that be in blessednes in heauen and instate of excellencie with God and worthie of honor and both heare or know our prayers and doeings and pray for vs are to be honored and may be prayed vnto But the Saincts and Angells in heauen be such and in this condition Therefore they are to be honored and may be prayed vnto The Maior is apparantly true and with those conditions graunted by these best Protestant writers The Minor that the Saincts and Angells in heauen are in that state is thus proued by these English Protestants D. Feild writeth thus The Feild l. 3. c. 31. pag. 143. Saincts in heauen doe pray for all in generall And thus againe of Vigilantius the Hereticke Yf hee absolutely denyed that the Saincts departed doe pray for vs wee thinke hee erred for wee Protestants hold they pray in genere Then it is proued the Saincts be in heauen and glorie a state worthie honor and that they pray for vs now I will proue they heare our prayers by these Protestant writers because they teach vs that they knowe our Protestations Professions and expect our seruyces D. Feild to make vs know that hee thinketh they knowe these things for Feild pag. 192. a Doctor may not make things that vnderstand not to vnderstand and be made wittnesses of things they knowe not hath these words Wee protest and professe before God men and Angells his frend D. Willet writeth thus Willet Antil in epist dedic anglic That the Angells expect his Maiesties faithfull seruice Then they knowe his seruice And if they knowe the deeds and seruices of princes and Kings are to doe their seruice faithfully No doubt but they knowe the deeds of Subiects also and in doeing faithfull seruice the subiect is not to be freed where the Soueraigne is not exempted And concerninge Prynce Henry his sonne thus their Theater prayeth vppon whose parson I pray that the Theat of gr Britt pag. 37. n. ● Angells of Iacobs God may euer attend to his greate glorye and greate Britaynes happines And as these for the Kinge and his sonne So the Protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe enueying against his Catholicke Aduersarie not writing of Q. Elizabeth as himself did Barlowe Answere to a nameles Oath pag. 69. freeing her from all mortall syn in her whole life hath these words ô blessed Trinitie and all you glorious Angells can you endure this hellish blasphemye and brooke these slawnderous us impieties in silence and vnreuenged Then I hope if a Protestant Bishope may inuocate and pray to the Angells to take reuendge to hurt and hinder mee it will be as agreeable to the lawes of Charitie and true Religion to desire their help assistance and pray vnto them to releyue our wants in our time of necessitie or at any time to honor them The like vnto this is written by D. Wilkes and other Wilkes obedience pag. §. 3. Wotton def of Perk. pag. 12. Protestants And M. Wotton proueth the same of the Saincts in heauen in this maner The Saincts departed wee loue and honor of their credit with God wee doubt not their care of men wee deny not And to assure vs that they haue not a care of vs onely in generall but in particular also and so knowe our actions first M. George Close parson of blacke Torrington in deuonshire M. George Close ser before the Iudges at Exeter in his sermon before the Iudges at Exeter mouing wicked lawyers to Repentance vrgeth it in these words So shall the Angells reioyce in your contrition allmightie God accept your Confession and the whole world keepe an holy day for your satisfaction Therefore if the Angells knowe our particular internall Actions such as Contrition and sorrowe of mynde is how much more those that be externall and in no wayes shrowded from their vnderstandings And to this veritie his Maiestie himself giueth testimonie speaking Kings speache die 21. Martij An. 1609. at Whitehall thus It is a Christian dutie in euery man reddere rationem fidei and not to be ashamed to giue an account of his profession before men and Angells as oft as occasion shall require Therefore seing Auditors in taking Audite must needs knowe the Reckonings and Accompts of their Accomptants the Angells and Saincts cannot be Ignorant of our Actions done before them as his Maiestie expresseth And D. Couell in Examination of Puritaine writeth thus Couell examinat pag. 195. Doth any man thinke the Angells doe not help vs being ministring spirits and seing God hath giuen his Angells chardge ouer vs may wee not pray to haue their assistance From whence thus I argue againe They that be in glorie can helpe vs and haue charge ouer vs to minister and men may pray to haue their assistance and they attend to further our requests may be requested and prayed vnto But the Angells and consequently the Saints in heauen be in these conditions towards vs Therefore they may be requested and prayed vnto The Maior is euident and the Minor also sufficiently proued by this last citation from D. Couell and thus confirmed agayne Couell exam sup pag. 178. by him The Angells attend to further our Requests Therefore wee may request their help Further I argue thus That which is the doctrine of the L. Protestant Archbishops and D. Feilds true Greeke Church may not be reiected But this doctrine of prayer and honor to Saincts and Angells is such Therefore not to be reiected The Maior being before graunted The Minor is thus proued by the Greeks in their censure of Protestants where speaking of the one onely true God they haue these words Hieremias in censur cap. 21. Wee doe not acknowledge other for God besids thee But wee make all Saincts Mediators and cheefely and excellently aboue all others the Mother of God himself Mary the Mother of God And wee constitute all Saincts Mediators and Aduocates for vs. And they pray not onely for vs but also for those which be deade so that they dyed not in mortall syn For in such a case no Iob or Daniell though they should stand vp to pray should deliuer their children Wee call vppon our Lady Angells Archangells that Precursor and Prophet of our Lord the Baptist also the glorious Apostles Prophets Martyrs and holy Pastors and Doctors also the Companie of holy women and all Saincts to make intercession for vs synners Hitherto the Censure of the Greeke Church both teaching the same doctrine with the Church of Rome and preuenting the friuolous obiections of Protestants in this poynt Againe thus I argue That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church free from superstition as his Maiestie wittnesseth Confer pag. 69. is true doctrine and to be embraced But the practize and doctrine of the Romane Church to pray to Saints was the doctrine of that time Therefore it is true and to be embraced The Maior is graunted and proued by Protestants before And the