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A65399 A reply by T.W. citizen of Chester, to a Vindication of Mr. M.H's Brief enquiry into the true nature of schism, from the exceptions of T.W. &c. By a person who conceals his name T.W. citizen of Chester. 1692 (1692) Wing W128; ESTC R219277 46,420 51

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A little further he saith For some in ●eed there are who own the Bishop in name but do all things without him such men appear to me to ●e men of no good Conference because they hold Meetings not established by Commandment c. I could heap up many more Instances but that would be tedious I will therefore conclude with the Council of I aodicea Can. 55. which I find by an eminent Doctor in our Church thus Translated The Presbyters must do nothing without the Consent of the Bishop That the Authority I have brought to prove that the ancient Goverment of the Christian Church was by Bishops and that it was an Order Superior and had power of Jurisdiction over the Presbyters and Deacons should be undeniably and firmly receiv'd and Submitted to by all Christians I offer these Reasons 1 First It was this same Authority which gather'd all the writings of the Evangelists and Apostles and declar'd them to be the word of God the dictates of the Holy Ghost and all Christians have so receiv'd them and do hold them to be Canonical and use them and reverence them as such to this very day 2 It was by the same Authority that the first day of the week was Declared to be the Lords Day there being no Precept Commanding it in Scripture and all Christians have yeilded Obedience to it and do set apart that Day to Celebrate the Worship of God in a most Solemn manner as if Commanded by Holy Scripture 3 And lastly this Authority of the Ancient Fathers and first General Councils which affirm the Government of the Church to be Episcopacy is one great means by which the Pious and Learned Divines of our Church if this Gent. will give me leave to call 'em so have clearly evinced and discoverd the Innovations and Corruptions imposed by the Church of Rome on all in her Communion to be fictitious and no way agreeing with the practice of the Primitive Church Now if upon the Authority of the Primitive Fathers and Councils Obedience was universally given to acknowledge and receive the New Testament as the Word of God and the Lords day celebrated as if commanded by Divine Precept which is infallibly true Is it reasonable now to dispute their Writings and Decrees their practice and usage concerning the nature of the Government of the Church which they were fully assured was established by the Apostles themselves And now I return to wait upon this unknown Gentleman In his 2. p. he says Some have fancied the severe Execution of Penal Laws by Fines Imprisonment Exile c. would have put an end to that Separation c. but Experience hath convinced them of a quite contrary effect This Gent. will carry all before him if credited I could certainly procure a Certificate under some hundreds of Hands of very Honest and Good men in Chester that the Penal Laws when executed there had brought all the Presbyterians except a very small inconsiderable number to Conformity ay and one of the oldest and stoutest of them acknowledged to the Rector of the Parish he liv'd in that he viz. the Rector had so throughly satisfied him that he did not partake at the Eucharist out of fear of the Law but for the satisfaction of his Conscience and that he would continue to do so but no sooner came the Indulgence out but this old Puritan and pretended Convert set the Church at defiance and with many more of that Tribe returned to their Separation and thus it was said to be in most part of England it 's certain that had not that Indulgence come out in King Charles the Second's time which was procured by the Duke of York for some special Service designed by him for the Romish Church there had been but a few in Conventicles except Anabaptists and Quakers who are incorri●a●le and above all others hardned almost beyond hope and yet this Gent. so confidently affirms that the Penal I a●s by experience had a quite contrary Espect which is much more bold than true In his 2 pag. he says further Others have pers●aded themselves when ever such enforcements were laid ●●●e the controverted Ceremonies would of course fall into Contempt for being by acknowledgment things purely indifferent c. without any native worth or strength they cannot be rationally supposed to stand any longer than they had those external props to bear them up And er●in they have not been altogether disapo●nted for they hear of five or six of the Clergy and those not of the me ●●est sort that have ch●sen to quit their preserments 〈…〉 ease of their Consciences c. To he 〈…〉 he says some had I shall again oppose matter of Fact the 〈…〉 times of ●●●rpa son which 〈◊〉 ●ed more than Twelve years all which 〈…〉 ●af●rc●●●a●s were laid and and the external props were 〈◊〉 and yet even ●●en the far greater 〈◊〉 of the best people 〈…〉 persevere in their Affection and Communion with the Church of 〈◊〉 man are the great care taken by the then Rulers the 〈…〉 Parliament as then call'd required that no person should have a 〈…〉 Book found in Custody upon pain of being Indicted and F●●●d at the pleasure of the then Judges who were their implacable Enemies here the Enforcements were thought necessary on the other fide and the vast numbers of these who retain'd Communion with the Church notwithstanding the Enforcements to the contrary appear'd with hearts full of Joy and Gratitude upon the Rest●●ration As for the Five or Six of the Cler●● who he says are gone from us and are none of the meanist I know not who he means had they been Eminent men we should have heard of 'em this is trifling or I can tell him of Dr. Dillingh●m Vice Chancellor Dr. Connant Rector of Exeter Colledge Vice Chancellor and Regis Protessor of Divinity and many more thô he perhaps is asham'd to name our Diserters of th' other party who Conform'd notwithstanding the Indulgence In p. 3. he saith That since neither Disputing nor Penal Laws have hitherto brought English Protestants to an exact Vniformity it is worth every honest mans Enquiry how under these different Modes of Worship all men may be induced to live quiet and peaceable lives c. The Apostles Rule is 1 Cor. 1 10. Now I beseech you Brethren in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that 〈◊〉 all speak the same things and that there be no Divisions among you different M●des of Worship are here forbidden and an exact Vniformity in the Church of Corinth requir'd and I hope that this Gent. will not deny that this Rule is in force in the Church of 〈◊〉 lan● and if this Gent. would press this Doctrin he needs not puzzle men with any farther En●●●ry how they may be induc'd to live quiet and peaceable lives And I presume here to tell him that against such who will not live quiet and peaceable lives there are Penal Laws still in force And this answers his
and venom against our Clergy and serves only to shew what Spirit he is of In p. 13. he saith But though the Apostles did propagate the Gospel far and wi●ie yet that they did actually preach it to all Nations is a thing we never beard of before T. W. told us so and we must have better Evidence before we believe it This is a mere Cavil but he thinks he has sufficiently shewed my nakedness The Gospel preaced to all Nations I did not use the word Actually I said that according to our Saviors Command the Apostles did Preach the Gospel to all Nations I could tell him out of very good Authoritys the vast Countrys in the Roman Empire in which St. Paul did actually preach the Gospel and that St. James did so in the Regions of Palestine St. Mark in Alexandria and the Countries far about it St. John in Asia St. Andrew in Achaja St Thomas in India and of the other Apostles Propagating the Gospel in other Countrys ay and Ordained Bishops and Presbyters in 'em too But the Scripture saith There were dweling at Jerusalem Jews Acts 2 5. devout men out of every Nation under Heaven to these the Apostles preached the Gosple so in this respect what I said is true I had no great reason to fear that I had committed an unpardonable Crime and if upon the Evidence given in Scripture he will not believe it he is at his liberty He goes on Whither the Seaven Churches in Asia had Seaven Bishops Presiding over them neither more nor less is a thing that no way affects our present Controversy nor can any thing be concluded from thence in favor of our English Prelacy till the Pawer of these Bishops the extent of their Diocesses the Quality of their under Officers c. be proved the same with ours viz. or liable to the same exceptions c. I understand not this last Sentence or liable to the same exceptions unless he would make the Primitive Church liable to the same exceptions That there were seven Bishops is unquestionable unless he will not give Credit to St. John's Testimony that the extent of their Diocesses may in some measure be right estimated it will be necessary to consider what this Asia doth signifie which Dr. Hammond describes thus Asia here doth not signifie the fourth part in the Division of the World but in another Notion known to Geographers the Lydian or proconsular Asia thus the word is used Acts 19.26 where St. Paul is said to perswade much People not only at Ephesus but almost thrô all Asia now in this Asia as there were many Cities so there were some Metropoles Chief or Mother Cities to each of which the lesser adjacent were subordinate Of this sort the first was Ephesus saith Vlpian l. Observ D. de Off. Procons Such again was Thiatira saith Ptolemy l. Geog. 1st Cap. 2. Such was Phyladelphia of the Province of the Lydians Of the same Rank are Laodicea Sardis Smyrna and Par●amus affirmed by Pliny Nat. Hist l. 6. c. 29. as Cities wherein the Roman Proconsuls residing kept Courts for all the adjoyning Cities to resort to by which it appears that all the Seven Cities here named were Metropoles and accordingly under these Seven all other Christian Churches were contained And it is evident in Ignatius's time which was not long after that Magnesia and Trallys upon the Banks of Meander saith Stephanus Bizantius being consequently included in this Asia were Episcopal Churches or Cities Damas being Bishop of one and Polybius of the other and so subordinate to the Metropolitan of Ephesus After this the Doctor Translates out of E●●ebius part of which I here insert viz Who can recount the multitudes of Assemblies in every City Who can describe the Confluxes to the Oratories and the spacious Churches which they built from the foundations not contenting themselves with the ancient Edifices To these I will add but two more instances viz. Jerusalem and Rome That the Seaven Churches in Asia Each City in the Primitive times but one Bishop and the Churches in Jerusalem and Rome had each of them but one Bishop is the voice of all the Christian world except the small number of your mistaken perswasion and that each of these great and populous Cities contained very many Congregations nothing can be more evident and further that it was impossible that all the many Congregations in each City could be Administred unto by one Bishop without the assistance of Presbyters And now lay all this together English Prelacy the same with the Primitive and see if in favor of our English Prelacy every one is not forced to conclude That the Prelacy or Diocesan Bishops in England is an exact paralel to the Churches above mentioned Primitive Churches that nothing but Obstinacy Pride Interest can binde or hold my Adversary and his Bretheren any longer in that fond and groundless Opinion of Congregational or Parochial Episcopacy As for the Power wherwith our Prelates are invested it is from Heaven the Son of God to whom all Power in Heaven and Earth was committed Episcopacy of Divine Institution and perpetual Mat. 16. v. 19. Joh. 20. v. 23. Ibid. v. 21. Mat. 28. v. 20. first promised it to St. Peter and I will ●ive thee the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven afterwards he gave it actually to all the Aposties whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them and whosoever sins ye retain they are retained this is call'd the power of the Keys of binding and loosing the power of Ordaining and Governing is given in these words as my Father sent me even so sen● I you And that this Power was to continue by Succession until the second coming of our Lord is manifest in these words and lo I am with you always even to the end of the World And accordingly this Power has descended by Succession from the Apostles to this present Age. Now here is Episcopacy both name and thing as you call it according to the Primitive Standard proved which you seem to desire and now be not offended nor angry that you are as you term it run down which is that your Erronious Opinion contrary to all Antiquity is so plainly discovered not as you say by a bare word only but by most firm and undeniable Testimony The under Officers you mention are own'd to be no other than of Prudential Institution for dispatch of business but are established by Law to whom therefore your Obedience is due I wonder you mention your Scotch Presbytery it can be for no other purpose than as a Rod shaken at us to beware of you Scotch Presbytery a Caution to us for they have sufficiently explained what is meant by Comprehention to wit the expultion of Episcopacy and have assur'd us that our Bishops and Clergy will meet with the same barbarous usage here if ever it come into your Power In p. 14. he modestly says he will not take