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be_v our_o advocate_n and_o that_o by_o he_o we_o have_v access_n to_o the_o throne_n of_o grace_n 〈◊〉_d or_o that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v leave_v a_o manifest_a and_o certain_a rule_n of_o prayer_n in_o the_o church_n consider_v that_o these_o man_n be_v so_o presumptuous_a upon_o their_o own_o frivolous_a surmise_n to_o prescribe_v a_o form_n of_o religious_a invocation_n jesuit_fw-la jesuit_o 5._o invocation_n to_o saint_n not_o a_o injury_n but_o a_o honour_n to_o christ_n the_o only_a mediator_n another_o show_n of_o piety_n pretend_v against_o prayer_n unto_o saint_n be_v that_o it_o seem_v to_o overthrow_v the_o mediatorship_n of_o christ_n which_o s._n paul_n commend_v as_o only_o unus_fw-la mediator_n dei_fw-la &_o hominum_fw-la christus_fw-la jesus_n but_o 2.3_o in_o show_v the_o inanitie_n of_o this_o shadow_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o be_v long_o see_v this_o respect_n will_v make_v we_o also_o neglect_v and_o not_o use_v the_o mediation_n of_o live_a saint_n 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manufacta_fw-la praecationibus_fw-la ambiant_fw-la say_v tertul._n apol._n c._n 39_o that_o go_v to_o god_n hand_n in_o hand_n they_o may_v entreat_v he_o beside_o invocation_n and_o prayer_n proper_o take_v praesuppose_v in_o they_o we_o pray_v unto_o understand_v the_o thought_n and_o motion_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o all_o religious_a prayer_n be_v a_o mental_a action_n understand_v by_o he_o who_o man_n deprecate_v but_o the_o live_a saint_n understand_v not_o the_o secret_n of_o each_o other_o heart_n therefore_o speak_v proper_o no_o man_n pray_v to_o live_a saint_n also_o religious_a prayer_n be_v a_o communication_n with_o god_n deo_fw-la and_o a_o proper_a worship_n of_o god_n and_o a_o action_n of_o latria_n 2._o last_o no_o precept_n or_o example_n be_v extant_a in_o holy_a scripture_n prove_v that_o just_a person_n do_v at_o any_o time_n pray_v to_o live_a saint_n be_v absent_a or_o to_o live_a saint_n by_o collet_n or_o set_v form_n of_o public_a devotion_n in_o such_o 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the_o room_n or_o seat_n of_o another_o be_v not_o substantial_a conversion_n aliam_fw-la but_o alteration_n of_o place_n jesuit_fw-la saint_n chrysostome_n when_o wax_n be_v put_v into_o fire_n nothing_o encaen_fw-la of_o the_o substance_n thereof_o be_v leave_v nothing_o remain_v unconsume_v so_o likewise_o do_v thou_o think_v that_o the_o mystery_n be_v consume_v by_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ._n answer_n this_o father_n substantia_fw-la say_v not_o that_o nothing_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v leave_v but_o clean_o contrary_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nothing_o of_o the_o substance_n go_v away_o and_o the_o word_n which_o follow_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v false_o translate_v for_o they_o be_v not_o be_v consume_v by_o the_o substance_n but_o be_v coabsume_v with_o the_o substance_n also_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v not_o consume_v by_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n according_a to_o the_o tenet_n of_o many_o 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speak_v of_o regenerate_a person_n 2._o pet._n 1._o v._n 4._o say_v they_o be_v make_v partaker_n of_o the_o divine_a nature_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o yet_o his_o meaning_n be_v not_o that_o their_o former_a substance_n be_v abolish_v the_o nature_n of_o glorify_a body_n be_v change_v and_o they_o be_v make_v spiritual_a 1._o cor._n 15._o 44._o and_o yet_o they_o retain_v the_o same_o substance_n man_n nature_n be_v change_v after_o his_o fall_n ephes._n 2._o 3._o yet_o the_o substance_n of_o his_o nature_n remain_v saint_n ambrose_n himself_o say_v that_o in_o baptism_n man_n be_v change_v and_o make_v a_o new_a creature_n and_o treat_v far_o of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n he_o say_v learn_v how_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n be_v accustom_v to_o change_v every_o creature_n and_o when_o he_o will_v he_o alter_v the_o course_n of_o nature_n jesuit_fw-la second_o they_o require_v that_o the_o author_n that_o change_v bread_n into_o christ_n his_o body_n be_v omnipotent_a and_o consequent_o the_o change_n not_o mere_o significative_a but_o substantial_a s._n cyprian_n this_o bread_n change_v not_o in_o shape_n mystagog_n but_o in_o nature_n by_o the_o omnipotency_n of_o the_o word_n be_v make_v flesh_n s._n cyrill_n he_o that_o in_o the_o marriage_n of_o cana_n change_v water_n into_o wine_n by_o his_o only_a will_n be_v not_o he_o worthy_a that_o we_o believe_v he_o that_o he_o have_v change_v wine_n into_o his_o blood_n s._n gaudentius_n the_o lord_n and_o creator_n exod._n of_o nature_n that_o of_o earth_n make_v bread_n again_o because_o he_o can_v do_v it_o and_o have_v promise_v to_o do_v it_o make_v of_o bread_n his_o own_o body_n and_o he_o that_o of_o water_n make_v wine_n now_o of_o wine_n have_v make_v his_o blood_n answer_n s._n cyprian_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o the_o book_n de_fw-fr coena_fw-la domini_fw-la so_o bellarmine_n 6._o confess_v and_o before_o he_o johannes_n hessel_n 62_o but_o in_o some_o copy_n it_o pass_v 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