handes and by which many miracles were wrought if with filing be could get off any thing For when many that come hither doe craue that blessing that they might haue of that dust which is filed off those chaines the Priest comming with the file◠doth for some presently get off something whereas for other he drawing the file on the chaines a long time nothing at al wil off it Further to a Noble man of France he sent the blessing of S. Peter and a little Crosse within the which was inclosed some such filing of S. Peters chaines Which for a time saith he bound S. Peters necke Lib 2. Epist 72. but shal loose your necke from sinne for euer Some relikes also of S. Laurence Grid-yron were inclosed in the foure corners of that same Crosse That by the helpe of that whereon his body was broiled your minde saith he may be kindled in the loue of God Touching the Images of Saints he not only approueth them to be made but teacheth them to be set in Churches Lib. 7. Epist 119. that they who cannot reade may by beholding of them learne to imitate some of their vertues Moreouer he exhorteth al men to worship them by kneeling before them yet with this caueat that they doe not yeeld them any such adoration as is proper to God What a protectour he was of Purgatory praier for the dead Lib. 7. Epist ad Secundin Lib. 4. Dialog cap. 20. may be seene in these places vvhere he saith that we must beleeue that there is a Purgatory fire to cleanse lighter offences after this life before the day of judgement And proues it both by Christes wordes ¶ Math. 12. vers 32. If any man blaspheme against the holy Ghost it shal not be forgiuen him neither in this world nor in the world to come And out of S. Paul 1. Cor. 3. vers 15. He shal be saued yet so as by fire And in the beginning of the third penitential Psalme expounding these wordes of the Prophet O Lord rebuke me not in thy fury neither chastise me in thy wrath he adjoineth This is as much as if Dauid had said I know that after this life some shal feele the fire of Purgatory others shal receiue the sentence of eternal damnation But because I esteeme that transitory fire of Purgatory to be more intollerable then any tribulation of this life I doe not only wish not to be reproued in the fury of eternal damnation for I feare also to be purged in the wrath of thy transitory correction In this exposition he agreeth vvith S. Augustine vpon the same Psalme euen as he did in the first with the same profound Doctor Lib. 21. de Cinit cap. 24. Et lib. 6. contra Iouintanum cap. 9. Further he teacheth to pray for the soules departed Lib. 4. Dialog cap. 50. And to offer sacrifice for them Ibid. cap. 55. and else where in many places To speake a word of the single and chast life of the Clergie S. Gregory saith None ought to be admitted to the ministry of the Altar Lib. 1. Epist 42. L. 12. In fine In decretis sauing such whose chastity hath beene approued before they were made Ministers Againe If any Priest or Deacon doe marry accursed be he How wel he liked of the vowes and holy profession of Monkes and Nunnes may appeare by that that he himselfe was one of them And he relateth Homil. 11. in Ezechiëlem Hom. 40. in Euangel that there were 3000. Nunnes of name in his time within the walles of Rome whose life was so holy and so much exercised in fasting praiers and teares that he did beleeue had it not beene for them none of the rest had beene able to haue subsisted so many yeares amongst the swordes of the Longobardes He then did not as the Protestants doe thinke religious persons vnprofitable members of the common weale by whose holy liues and deuout praiers he esteemed the Citty to haue beene preserued For the sprinckling of holy Water in Churches erecting of Altars placing thereof Relikes of Saints see Lib. 9. Epist 71. For Pilgrimage to holy places Lib. 4. Epist cap. 44. Homil. 37. in Euang. Lib. 2. Dialog cap. 17. Finally if I would stand to rehearse al that S. Gregory hath vvritten in the defence of the Catholike Roman faith I should make a vvhole volume And this briefe extract out of his owne authentike workes vvil suffice I hope to demonstrate what a jolly patron he was of the Protestants doctrine and vvith vvhat good conscience M. Abbot and his fellowes doe alleage him as a fauourer of their errours which he disproued confuted and condemned so fully and particularly little lesse then a thousand yeares before they vvere hatched and thrust into the world And must it not needes vvorke in al considerate English-mens harts a very vehement inclination to imbrace the now professed Roman religion to see the same point by point professed taught and practised a thousand yeare gone by so wise holy and learned a Bishop vvho was also as I noted before the chosen instrument of God principally to procure our reclaiming from Idolatry and the seruing of false gods vnto the true and sincere faith of IESVS Christ That faith which he taught was planted first amongst vs English-men See the Catholike Apologie out of Protestants as the most learned among the Protestants doe confesse the same hath also euer since vntil of late beene wholy retained of al our most holy Ancestours is it not then a great shame for vs to degenerate so farre and to fal so fondly from it I trust in the mercies and goodnesse of God that we shal once haue grace to perceiue vnderstand and amend it ROBERT ABBOT GREGORY the ninth Bishop of Rome though liuing in later time of great corruption yet by the ancient doctrine of the Catholike Church could say that * Greg. Ep. ad Germ Archi-Episc Cōstat apud Math. Paris in Henrico tertio the not knowing of the Scriptures by the testimony of the truth it selfe is the occasion of errours and therefore that it is expedient for al men to reade or beare the same But now the doctrine of Rome is that it is pernitious for the people to meddle vvith the Scriptures that reading and knowledge thereoff is the breeding of error and heresie and as dogges from holy things so the people must be secluded from the reading and vse of them WILLIAM BISHOP M. ABBOT seemes to be fallen into a dangerous consumption and to draw fast vpon a desperate estate or else he vvould neuer vse such silly salues as this to prolong the life of his forlorne cause From Gregory the first he leapeth ouer the heades of an hundred Popes his Successours and lighteth next vpon Gregory the ninth that liued aboue six hundred yeares after him whom also he citeth not out of his owne workes but from the report of another and when al is done he hath
extolled him so farre forth that they affirmed him to be both Father and holy Ghost In like manner as there be some Heretikes that dishonoured the holy Virgin Mary so there were some other foolish women that would haue made her a God offering vp to her sacrifice and instituting women Priests to doe her seruice Whose doating folly Epiphanius reproueth in the next chapter teaching first that it was not lawful for any woman to offer sacrifice or to baptise Secondly that neither the blessed Mother of God nor any other creature was to be adored that is worshipped vvith that honour which is due to God alone but he deliuereth in most expresse tearmes that shee is to be worshipped with another meaner kinde of worship that is due vnto excellent holy men and the sacred seruants of God Most goodly saith he is the blessed Virgin holy and to be honoured but not so farre forth as to adoration that is shee is to be honoured but not with diuine honour vvhich he otherwise repeateth thus Let the holy Virgin Mary be honoured but let the Father Sonne and holy Ghost be adored And yet more plainly explicating himselfe by that tearme of adoration Let not the Virgin be adored so as we take her for a God or offer vp sacrifice in her name Wherefore nothing wil appeare more manifest to him that pleaseth to reade that reuerend Authour then that there he reproueth them only vvho gaue Diuine and Godly honour vnto the immaculate virgin Mary making her a God and offering sacrifice to her But that shee is to be worshipped with another sort of honour due vnto the best seruants of God he doth both in that and in the former Chapter teach most plainly twenty times which is the very doctrine of the present Church of Rome vvhich holdeth God alone to be worshipped with diuine honour called Latria but the Saints in heauen and holy Personages on earth with a holy worship due to their gifts and graces of heauenly Wisdome Fortitude and Holinesse which God hath indued them withal This matter of worshipping Saints S. Augustine that most learned Doctor and firme pillar of the Roman Church hath fully and distinctly deliuered 1200. yeares agoe in these most memorable vvordes August lib. 1. cont Iustum Manich. cap. 21. Christian people with religious solemnity doe celebrate the memory of Martirs aswel to stirre vp an imitation of their vertues as to be made partakers of their merits and to be holpen with their praiers yet so as we doe erect Altars only vnto the God of Martirs though in remembrance of the Martirs For what Prelate or Priest seruing at the Altar in the place of their holy bodies hath at any time said we offer vnto thee Peter or Paul or Cyprian but that which is offered is offered to God who hath crowned the Martirs and is offered at the memorial or relikes of them whom he hath crowned to the end that by the admonition of those places there may arise greater deuotion to inflame our charity both towardes them whom we may imitate and also towardes him by whose helpe we may be enabled so to doe Therefore we doe worship the Martirs with that reuerence and respect with which holy men whose harts we thinke ready to suffer as much for the truth of Christ are in this life worshipped yet with this difference that we doe more deuoutly worship the Saints of whose vertues we are assured and who doe now triumph in heauen then we doe those that are yet combating in the field of this life but with that worship which in Greeke is called Latria and hath no one proper Latin word it being a certaine worship properly due vnto the God-head neither doe we worship or teach to be worshipped any other then God alone And whereas the offering of sacrifice doth properly appertaine to this kinde of worship whence their act that offer it to Idols is called Idolatry we doe not in any case offer any such thing or command any such offering to be made vnto Martirs nor to any other and if any man fal into that errour he is reproued by this sound doctrine that he may be amended or auoided hitherto S. Augustine Now let the vpright reader consider wel of this sacred and sound doctrine deliuered by the best learned in the pure estate of the primitiue Church and then judge vvhether the present Roman Church doth teach any other vvorshipping of Saints at this day We worship Saints in heauen vvith a kinde of holy and religious vvorship for their holy and religious vertues so did the good Christians in S. Augustines daies With a religious solemnity and with greater deuotion then they did the Godliest and most holy men aliue We doe teach vvord by word after S. Augustine that with that kinde of worship which is proper to God alone vvhich for vvant of a proper Latin word we cal Latria God only is to be worshipped Another kinde of vvorship which for distinction sake we cal Dulia of Doulos that in Greeke signifieth a seruant we doe exhibit as due to Gods seruants which is infinitely lesse then that vvhich we giue vnto the soueraigne Lord and Master of Men and Angels Now because the worship due by sacrifice is a recognising of his soueraigne dominion ouer vs to vvhom we doe offer sacrifice and of our subjection to him as to our soueraigne Lord therefore to God alone sacrifice is to be offered Yet as you haue heard out of S. Augustine Sacrifice is principally to be offered at the relikes and memorial of Martirs and Saints and in their remembrances that we may thereby be made partakers of their merits holpen with their praiers and also inflamed with a feruent desire of following their excellent vertues Note by the way the antiquity of the Christians offering sacrifice of communicating the merits of Martirs to others of the helpe of the Sâ—ints praiers Now if any vvould offer sacrifice to the blessed Virgin Mary or attribute to her any other part of that honour vvhich is proper to God alone we would be as ready to checke and reproue them as Epiphanius then was to confute the foolish female Collyridians To returne to M. Abbot vvhere were his wits when he cited out of his authour these wordes The holy Virgin is to be in honour yet not to be worshipped for had he but marked wel those wordes he might easily haue perceiued that Epiphanius did not mislike with al kinde of worship that was giuen to that most blessed Virgin seing that he vvould haue her to be honoured which is a higher kinde of reuerence then ordinary worship is for to be honourable is more then to be worshipful as euery man meanely seene in titles doth know vvherefore M. Abbot cannot be excused from a foule fault in that he hath translated the Latin word adorare and adoratio into bare and naked worship for in that place it is taken for Diuine and Godly worship as al the circumstances of
Serenus Bishop of Massilia who could not endure that any thing should be worshipped that is made with handes and telleth him that he should forbidde the people the worshipping of them c. Here are many foule faults for S. Gregory did not commend but reprehend the vndiscreet zeale of that Bishop who did breake some pictures set in the Church because some late conuerted Heathens not yet wel instructed in the Christian religion did adore them as if they had beene Gods S. Gregory telleth him plainely That that should not be broken which was not set vp in the Church to be adored but only to instruct them that were ignorant Secondly though S. Gregory forbidde Images to be adored as Gods yet doth he teach them to be worshipped as representations of most holy personages which may be seene plainely to omit diuers other places by his letters vnto Secundinus Lâ—v. 7. Epist 53. ad SecuÌ„d To whome he sent the Images of our Sauiour of the blessed Virgin Mary and of the holy Apostles S. Peter and S. Paul telling him first that his petition to haue those Images did greatly please him for saith he thou doest loue him with al thy hart and whole intention whose Image thou desirest to haue before thine eies and straight after addeth I know that thou doest not therefore desire to haue our Sauiours Image that thou maiest worship it as a God but for a remembrance of the Sonne of God that thou maiest waxe warme in his loue whose Image thou doest behold and we truly doe cast our selues downe before the said Image not as before a God-head but vve adore him whome by the Image we remember to haue beene borne or suffered or to sit in his throne Can any thing be more manifest then that S Gregory approued both the hauing of Images which be sent to his friend and setting them in Churches for the instruction of the vnlearned and also worshipping of them euen so farre-foorth as humbly to kneele before them which he himselfe as wel practised in his owne person as also taught others so to doe which is al that we Catholikes doe defend as greatly condemning as the Protestants themselues that any Christian should adore them as Gods or giue any Godly honour vnto them How wrongfully then did M. Abbot alleage S. Gregories wordes and how shamefully hath he misconstrued them cleane besides that most holy Fathers meaning with whom in faith and doctrine we doe fully agree But let vs yet goe one step further more euidently to discouer how perfidiously M. Abbot doth deale with those ancient and most holy Doctors He is not ashamed to cite them sometimes in confirmation of those errors the which they doe expresly confute in the very same place take this for an assay Epiphanius saith he an Easterne Bishop Page 62. euen in the time of Hierome acknowledgeth for true those wordes of Socrates that the Priests and Bishops thereof were not forced by any law to forbeare their wiues and that many of them whiles they were Bishops had children borne vnto them by their lawfull married wiues and quoteth Epiphanius against the 59. Heresie of the Cathary where in deede he handleth that matter but after another manner These he his wordes Indeede the holy preaching of God doth not since Christs comming admit them to take holy orders who haue married againe after their first wiues death in respect of the excellent dignity of Priest-hood and this doth the Church of God obserue sincerely but so doth not the Church of the Protestants ergo it is not the Church of God Then he commeth to our present purpose and saith The same Church of God doth not admit and receiue a man that hath a wife liuing and that getteth children to be a Bishop Priest Deacon or Subdeacon but him that either abstaineth from the company of his wife or else liueth widdower and that specially where the Ecclesiastical Canons be sincere and not corrupted Hitherto Epiphanius as flat contrary to M. Abbots report of him as can be for he reported that whiles they were Bishops they had children borne vnto them and there was no law that forced them to forâ—eare their wiues Epiphanius telleth vs otherwise That the Canons of the Church which are Ecclesiastical lawes did not suffer any to be Bishop or Priest that kept company with their wiues And â—hich maketh the fault the more palbable Epiphanius addeth an objection vpon which it seemeth M. Abbot grounded his assertion But â—hou vvilt say that in some places Subdeacons Deacons and Priests doe yet get children note by the way that in no place how corâ—upt soeuer Bishops so did as M. Abbot reporteth but this answereth holy Epiphanius is not according vnto the Canon but after the minde of men that in tract of time fainted and so foorth Where he proueth abstinence from marriage or continual continency to be not only decent for the high and holy calling of Clergie men but also necessary for their daily praiers and for the suddaine occasions of their sacred function so that finally S. Epiphanius is found to confute that directly which M. Abbot reports him to acknowledge for true And if this be not most wilful corruption and falsification of these learned Fathers sentences I know not what may be Because this is a point that toucheth euery Christian that hath care of his saluation so neare Page 122. I wil insist more vpon it Is not this saith M. Abbot a horrible impiety that standeth written in their law our Lord God the Pope and then doubleth it saying To beleeue that our Lord God the Pope could not so decree as he hath decreed should be accounted heresie In the Canon law which he calleth our law is no such horrible impiety but in his report is a double lie The former is to auouch that to stand in the law which is only written in the glosse which is no law as al men know The second and the more shameful is that it standeth not in the glosse neither but he belieth both the one and the other Extrauag Ioan. 22. cum inter in glossa let any man turne to the place quoted by himselfe and there towardes the end vpon the word declaramus he shal finde only Dominum nostrum Papam our Lord the Pope and the word God is foisted in by M. Abbot to make vp that horrible impiety of which he speaketh As very a lie is it which he citeth out of the Decretals of Pope Gregory Page 119. that forsooth the Pope is not a meere man whereas the Canon hath De translat Episco cap. Quanto Non puri hominis sed veri Dei vicem gerit that is The Pope is the vicegerent or vicar not of a meere man but of true God to wit of Christ who is both God and Man No more truth is in that assertion of his out of venerable Bede Page 199. our very holy and most learned country-man Then were
in the same place Doth not this to omit much more of the same kinde conuince and demonstrate vnto al vnpassionate Christians of any vnderstanding that the poore miserable Protestants be exceeding blindly bent vnto the defence of their errors who seing them most plainly condemned by the best and most learned of the primitiue Church and pure antiquity to which they would sometime in great confidence seeme to appeale had notwithstanding rather consort themselues and follow very base vnlearned and wretched Heretikes and with them to band against the inuincible troupes of the ancient holy Fathers and most renowmed Doctors wil it any whit auaile them to say that those men of condemned memory did in their opinions better agree with the word of God and therefore are to be preferred before the rest though otherwise better schollers then they surely nothing at al with the juditious because this is but a scar-crow to amate the simple For whether were more like to vnderstand better the sacred word of God either Augustine Hierome Epiphanius Chrysostome and such others who indued with excellent wits and wel furnished with al other kinde of learning had most diligently studied both the old and new Testament as by their translations and most learned Commentaries and explications they haue testified to the â—orld or Aërius Vigilantius or Iouinian who haue not left any one monument of learning wit or honesty behinde them and Iouinian reputed of those three the most sufficient was so insufficient and vnlettered that he could not so much as indite in the Latin tongue congruously and so as he might be vnderstood Hieron lib. 1. cont Iouin in initio as S. Hierome proueth To finish this point seing that M. Abbot doth not only misapply the auncient Doctors sentences but doth also misconster corrupt and falsifie them yea doth plainly and roundly deny their graue and sacred authority preferring the confessed and condemned errours of notorious reproued Heretikes before their vniforme and approued doctrine they must needes confesse themselues to haue beene a little deceiued who tooke him to haue beaten the Papists with their owne weapons that is to haue brought better testimony out of pure antiquity in fauour of the Protestants opinions then the Catholikes doe for theirs whereas in truth he handleth those sacred Fathers euen as Caluin reporteth the Libertine to deale with the holy Scriptures In instruct aduers Libert cap. 9. These loose men saith he vvhen vve presse them with the Scriptures doe not much dissemble that they esteeme no better of them then of fables notwithstanding they in the meane season doe not let to vse them if they finde any place that they can wrest vnto their owne meaning not that they themselues doe giue any credit to it but only that they may thereby trouble the vnlearned and so daunt and stagger them that they may at length the more easily draw them to like of their errors thus farre Caluin Euen so plaieth M. Abbot with the glorious Doctors of the Church whom how little he regardeth doth appeare by his often abusing their wordes by his resisting their authority and setting lesse by them then by ignorant obscure and abject persons yet knowing that al sober Christians doe highly esteeme and make great account of their graue authority as of the principal lights of Christs Church since the Apostles times they doe greedily catch hold of any broken sentence of theirs that doth any way sound in fauour of their heresie not that they themselues giue any credit thereunto but to astonish and deceiue the simple reader and thereby to perswade him to like the better of their errours Thus much in general of the abuses which M. Abbot offereth vnto the ancient Fathers But doth be behaue himselfe more reuerently towardes the holy Scriptures and sacred word of God one example I wil giue here by which you may take a scantling of the rest and not to seeke farre it shal be the very first in his booke these be his wordes Page 6. This is the thing that M. Bishop labours for seeking vvith Act. 13. v. 8. Elimas the Sorcerer to peruert the straight vvaies of the Lord and vvhereas his Majesty hath made profession to aduance the honour of Christ he vvould in steede thereof drawe him to aduance the Idol Dan. 11. vers 38. 2. Mauzzin the God of Antichrist and to establish damnable heresies by him priuily brought in vvhereby his agents and factors through Pet. 2. vers 1. 3. couetousnesse with fained wordes doe make marchandize of the soules of men speaking thinges which they ought not for filthy Tit. 1. vers 11. lucres sake Here you see his text enriched and his margent garnished with a gay shew of Gods word and yet here is not one whole sentence of holy Scripture to any purpose but diuers wordes picked out of sundry places and by the new Euangelist M. Abbot made a new peece of vn-holy scripture which prety deuise if it should passe for currant any hadde matter might be graced with the glosse of Scripture so that the first fault committed by M. Abbot herein is the dismembring of Gods word and renting of it in peeces at his pleasure with which peeces afterwardes odly and idly patched together he maketh vp as it were a poore beggers cloke rather then any testimony of Scripture Secondly the wordes hang togither very vntowardly one of them not agreing with the other for if his Majesty should be perswaded to aduance the Idol Mauzzin the God of Antichrist he could not establish heresies priuily brought in for that false God wil wholy oppose himselfe against Christ and not suffer any other God besides himselfe to be adored so that he wil not establish heresies which are errours defended by them which professe Christ and doe adore the true God neither wil be priuily bring in beâ—esies but openly professe Idolatry and compel al others to doe the same Thirdly these wordes are most falsly and fondly applied to vs Roman Catholike Priests for first that false God of Antichrist shal not be aduanced by the Romans but fought against and foiled by them as it is cleare in the very text Dan. 11. vers 30. The Gallies and Romans shal come vpon him and he shal be strooken and turned backe And lastly how il aduised was M. Abbot to charge poore seminary Priests with couetousnesse and speaking of thinges which they ought not for filthy lucres sake whereas it is manifest vnto al men women and children almost that they who become such Priests are so farre off from seeking after any temporal gaine thereby that they doe willingly forgoe al hope of benefices and al other whatsoeuer commodities and dignities in their country which they might perhaps aswel attaine vnto as some others if they would follow the current of the time Yea they doe also debarre themselues of landes legacies annuities and al other profits and commodities whatsoeuer which might accrew vnto them
portion nor right nor memorial in Hierusalem which is the city of peace nor in this heauenly worke and seruice of Iesus Christ Hitherto M. Abbots owne wordes with a very litle alteration as may be seene in the margent these therefore must needes presse his aduersary very sore when they may so easily and truly be turned against himselfe W. BISHOP Touching his mangling and peruerting those texts of scripture vvhich he so clowterly botcheth together in the former place of this passage I haue already spoken in the Preface now to them of the later connexion Because M. Abbot is not yet allowed for an Euangelist let vs take away his owne vvordes and then vve shal presently see how handsomly the vvordes of holy Scripture hang together these they be It is not for you but for vs to build the house to our God Esdra 4. Feare the Lord seruing Idols also 2. Reg. 17. v. 34. old custome Ibid. 40. Hauing no portion nor right nor memorial in Hierusalem Nehemi 2. vers 20. Is not this trimme stuffe what reuelation hath he to joine together wordes that be by the holy Ghost set so farre asunder wel let vs giue him leaue to abuse Gods word at his pleasure or else he wil take it whether we wil or wil not but with what face can a Protestant say to the Catholikes that it is not for you Papists but for vs Protestants to build vp houses vnto God vvhereas most of the Churches through al Christendome built to serue God in vvere erected by the Catholikes and the Protestants haue rather pulled downe an hundred then built vp one for Gods seruice is not this sentence then properly applied by him That they also are rather like the Samaritans then vve I haue proued in my Preface Now to the last wordes that are most of al abused for old custome in that place of the second of the Kinges is not taken for ancient traditions of either doctrine or ceremony as M. Abbot would haue it to sound but for an inueterate euil custome of bad life and transgressing of Gods commandements for which the Israelites being often rebuked by the Prophets vvould not amend so that those wordes are taken cleane besides the right sence But there followeth such a consequence that it would procure a vomit to a weake stomacke It is forsooth that because the Israelites would not leaue their old custome of euil liuing therefore the Horomites Ammatites and Arabians meere strangers to them and of other countries should haue no place nor right nor memorial in Hierusalem for to men of those countries were these wordes of Nehemias spoken by the Israelites themselues and that aboue seauenty yeares after the other of old custome Did you euer see so miserable renting of Gods word in sunder and such paltry patching of it together againe without any time or reason without any likely resemblance or good coherence Doth not this argue the man to be vvel seene in the Bible or rather desperately audatious that dares â—o offer such violence vnto the vnuiolable word of God On Sir ROBERT ABBOT INDEEDE it is true that he saith that vvhatsoeuer talent of learning he hath attained vnto the vse and fruite thereof is due to his Majesty but the greater is his sinne to vvithdraw it from him to whom it is due being so farre engaged to the Pope as that his Majesty cannot presume of any true and faithful vse thereof As for the proofe that he alleageth of his sincere and dutiful affection it is vnsound For to this purpose I may wel demand as did Constantius the Emperour father to the great Constantine Euseb de vita Constant lib. 1. cap. 11. How should they be deemed faithful vnto their Prince who are found to be perfidious and vnfaithful towardes God It appeareth by that secret which he vttereth in his Epistle towardes the end that his loue is according to the rule of Bias if at least it were his Sic ama tanquam aliquando osurus Loue so as being perhaps in time to hate Certaine it is whatsoeuer he pretendeth that neither he nor his euer meant his Majesty any good vnlesse they could gaine him to be what they would haue him to be WILLIAM BISHOP I Am so farre from vvithdrawing the vse and fruite of my poore talent from his Majesty and the seruice of my country though for the obtaining of my smal talent of diuinity I haue not beene much beholding to either of them that I doe daily imploy it therein to the vttermost of my power by praying for them and seeking to instruct and confirme them in the true faith of Christ The vse of my talent is due vnto his Majesty I confesse being now my natural Prince and lawful Soueraigne yet so as almighty God vvho bestowed it on me be principally serued thereby Neither am I so engaged vnto the Popes Holinesse but that I may as fully and faithfully serue his Majesty as euer any true subject did his lawful Soueraigne Our Sauiour made no doubt but that a true Israelite might giue to Caesar that which belonged to Caesar and to God that which was his Neither did S. Peter or S. Paul make any question but that good Christians might perfectly obey their Princes and yet wholy discent from them in matter of religion and therein take their whole direction from strangers And euen those Christians that Constantius the Emperour did so commend and loue for their constancy in religion were as farre engaged to the Bishop of Rome then as vve be now and did no more follow the same Emperour Constantius in matter of faith then vve Catholikes doe our Liege Lord King Iames yea vvere somewhat further of him he being a Heathen and no Christian as our King is so fit and proper commonly be M. Abbots sentences taken out of the ancient fathers that they serue much more naturally for our purpose euen as this doth thus applied Euseb de vita Constant. lib. 1. cap. 11. Like as that renowmed Emperour Constantius did highly esteeme of those Christians that would not for any worldly losse or disgrace no not to winne their owne Princes loue or fauour deny their religion or falter in the confession of it yea further was of opinion That they who were so fast and faithful to their God would also proue most trusty to their Prince though of a farre different profession from them Euen so his Majesty after the example of so worthy and wise an Emperour finding his Catholike subjects so firme in their religion that no temporal discredit or incommodity how great or grieuous soeuer can remoue them from the due confession of it should thereupon perswade himself that they who are so constant and true seruants vnto God must needes also proue most loial and dutiful vnto their King albeit of another religion And it may in this manner also very aptly be returned vpon M. Abbot himselfe whom I haue before proued to abuse Gods word very miserably to
the Church who then but miscreants and Heretikes can take it for a name of curse reproch and shame Is it not vntil this day set downe in the Apostles creed as the honourable title and epithite of the true Church I beleeue the holy Catholike Church Must he then not be rather an Apostata then a scholler of the Apostles â—hat blusheth not to auouch the very name Catholike to be the proper badge of Apostataes and Heretikes which the Apostles asscribe and appropriate vnto true Christianity If any proude and false fellowes doe vsurpe that name and challenge it to themselues wrongfully as many did euen in S. Augustines time when M. Abbot confesseth it to haue beene in greatest estimation let such vsurping companions be rebuked sharply and conuicted of their insolent and audatious folly but the name Catholike which the Apostles thought vvorthy and fit to be placed in the articles of our creede and principles of our religion must alwaies remaine and be among true Christians a name very glorious and desireable We therefore say with S. Augustine We receiue the holy Ghost if we loue the Church Tract 32. in Iohannem Lib. 1. cont GaudeÌ„t c. 33. if we be joined together by charity if we rejoice in the Catholike name and faith And they that doe not joy in that name but mocke at it doe blaspheme as the same most holy Authour intimateth The name Iewe being taken in the Apostles sence for one of what nation soeuer that fulfilleth the justice of the law neuer was nor neuer shal be a name of reproch so that M. Abbot is driuen to hoppe from one sence of that name to another to make it appliable to his purpose But and it please you the Protestants haue the kernel of the name Catholike and we but the shel Why doe they then so bitterly inueigh against it vvhy are they not more willing to extol and magnifie that renowmed title being of such ancient Nobility twenty pound to a peny that vvhat face soeuer he set on it yet in his hart he maruailously feareth the contrary himselfe If that faith and religion only be Catholike vniuersal as he acknowledgeth that hath euer beene and is also spread ouer al the world and shal continue to the worldes end then surely their religion cannot be Catholike euen by the vniforme confession of themselues vvho generally acknowledge that for nine hundred yeares together the Papacy did so domineer al the world ouer that not a man of their religion vvas to be found in any corner of the vvorld that durst peepe out his head to contradict it Could there be any Church of theirs then when there was not one Pastour and flocke of their religion though neuer so smal in any one country and euen now vvhen their Gospel is at the hottest hath it spread it selfe al the world ouer is it receiued in Italy Spaine Greece Afrike or Asia or carried into the Indians nothing lesse They cannot then cal themselues Catholikes after the sincere and ancient acceptation of that name which is as himselfe hath often repeted out of S. Augustine Quia communicant Ecclesiae toto orbe diffusae Because they communicate in fellowship of faith with the Church spread ouer al the world They must therefore notwithstanding M. Abbots vaine bragges be content with the shel and leaue the kernel to vs who doe embrace the same faith that is dilated al countries ouer yea they must be contented to walke in the foote-steps of their fore-fathers the Donatists euen according to M. Abbots explication and flie from the vniuersality of faith and communion of the Church spread al the world ouer vnto the perfection of their doctrine which is neuerthelesse more absurd and further from the true signification of the word Catholike then the Donatists shift was of fulnesse of sacraments and obseruation of al Gods commandements as hath beene already declared But let vs heare how clearely and substantially he wil at length proue their Church to be Catholike ROBERT ABBOT NOw as of this Catholike Church from the beginning to the end there is as appeareth in the vvordes cited by M. Bishop but Ephes 4. vers 4. One body euen as one Lord one God and Father of al so is there also but one spirit one hope one faith one baptisme one spiritual meate and drinke one religion Let vs then looke out those that haue beene before vs and consider Abel Noë Abraham Isaac Iacob and the rest of the Patriarkes and Fathers Let vs looke to Moises and the Prophets and the whole generation of the righteous and faithful of the old Testament and see what their faith was what was their religion and seruice of God vndoubtedly we find not a Papist among them we finde no shadow of that which they now obtrude and thrust vpon vs vnder the name of Catholike religion They did not worship Idols and Images they did not coÌ„ming after pray to Saints that were dead before them they vsed no inuocation of Angels they knew no Merits nor vvorkes of supererogation They vowed no vowes of Monkery they made no pilgrimage to Reliques and dead mens bones they knew no shrift nor absolution or any of that riffe-raffe-stuffe vvherein the substance of Catholike religion is now imagined to consist But what they did the same doe we as they worshipped God so sauing ceremonial obseruances vve also worship him as they beleeued so by the same spirit of faith vve also beleeue as they praied so vvith the same vvordes we also pray according to the approued example of their life we also teach men to liue therefore no Popery but our religion is the Catholike religion because it is that vvhich the Catholike Church hath practised from the beginning of the world and Popish religion not so The same faith and religion which they followed and no other our Sauiour Christ at his coÌ„ming further confirmed and only stripping it of those tipes and shadowes vvherewith it pleased God for the time to cloth it commending the same to his Apostles simply and nakedly to be preached to the nations They did so They added nothing of their owne they preached only the Gospel promised before by the Tertul. de Praescript Rom. 1. Prophets in the holy Scriptures saying no other thinges Act. 26. v. 12. Lib. 3. cap. 1. then those which the Prophets and Moises did say should come The Gospel which they first preached afterwardes by the wil God as Ireneus saith they deliuered to vs in writing to be the pillar and foundation of our faith Thus then vvhat Christ deliuered the Apostles preached vvhat the Apostles preached they wrote vvhat they vvrote we receiue and beleeue De praescript and beleeuing this as Tertullian saith we desire to beleeue no more because we first beleeue that there is nothing else for vs to beleeue And therefore as S. Augustine saith if any man August cont literas Petili lib. 3. cap. 6. nay if an Angel from
Finally he doth absurdly apply S. Augustines wordes spoken against the Donatists to vs they vvil much better fit the Protestants vvho imitate their errours in most points as I haue proued already who also may be more aptly resembled to children that stand in neede of a rodde because their religion is euery vvay childish as being young and of late borne phantastical and without any sound ground of mature judgement as changeable also as children according to the diuers humour of the state and time SECT 4. W. BISHOP VERY many vrgent and forcible reasons might be produced in fauour and defence of the Catholike Roman religion whereof diuers haue beene already in most learned Treatises tendered to your Majesty wherefore I wil only touch three two chosen out of the subject of this booke the third selected from a sentence of your Majesty recorded in the aforesaid conference And because that argument is as most sensible so best assured which proceedeth from a principle either euident in it selfe or else granted and confessed to be true my first proofe shal be grounded vpon that your Highnesse resolute and constant opinion recorded in the said conference Page 75. to wit That no Church ought to separate it selfe further from the Church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her most flourishing and best estate from whence I deduce this reason The principal pillars of the Roman Church in her most flourishing estate taught in al points of religion the same doctrine that shee nâ—w holdeth and teacheth and in expresse tearmes condemneth for errour and heresie most of the articles which the Protestants esteeme as chiefe partes of their reformed Gospel therefore if your Majesty wil resolutely embrace and constantly defend that doctrine which the Roman Church maintained in her most flourishing estate you must forsake the Protestant and take the Catholike into your Princely and Roial protection ROBERT ABBOT YOV talke M. Bishop of many vrgent and forcible reasons but you talke as your fellowes doe like mount-bankes and juglers You haue much prating and many wordes but your reasons vvhen they are duly examined are as light as feathers before the vvinde neither vvould they seeme other to your owne followers but that you bewitch them with this principle that they must read nothing written on our part for answere to them we see your vrgent and forcible reasons in this booke vvhich you tel vs is the marrow and pith of many volumes I doubt not but by that time I haue examined the same your owne pupils and schollers if they reade the answere wil account you a meere seducer a cosener and abuser of them and wil detest you accordingly But to beginne withal you offer three reasons to his Majesty in this your Epistle for the justifying of your Romish religion for the impeaching of ours Two chosen out of the subject of this booke the third selected from a sentence of his Majesty Now if these reasons proue reasonlesse then your reason M. Bishop should haue taught you more manners and duty then thus to trouble his Majesty vvith your reasonlesse reasons To examine them in order the first reason is grounded vpon a principle most judiciously soundly affirmed by his Majesty That no Church ought further to seperate it selfe from the Church of Rome in doctrine or ceremony then shee hath departed from her selfe when shee was in her flourishing best estate and which is subtilly left out by M. Bishop from Christ her Lord and head For seeing it cannot be denied that the Church of Rome vvas once sound and vpright in faith the Apostle bearing witnesse Rom. 1. That their faith was published throughout the world it must needes follow that vvhat shee hath not since that time altered is stil vpright and sound and therefore to be embraced Now from thence M. Bishop argueth thus The principal pillars of the Church of Rome in her most flourishing estate taught in al points the same doctrine that shee now teacheth and in expresse tearmes did condemne of heresie most of the articles of our religion ergo c. but soft and faire M. Bishop there is no hast c. WILLIAM BISHOP TRVE there is no hast indeede for M. Abbot comes faire and soft to the matter What a number of idle vaunting wordes and vaine repetitions be here as though any juditious man vvere to be perswaded by bare wordes and voluntary supposals before he see any proofe S ir I doubt not but the indifferent reader vvil suspend his judgement and deeme nere the worse of my vvriting for your empty censure til he see good reason to the contrary Sure I am that some Catholikes hauing read your booke doe like much the better of mine and esteeme yours a very fond peece of worke ful of babble lies and foule wordes void of found proofes and farre from common ciuility Who are more circumspect then you your selues to keepe your followers from reading our bookes vvho first imprison any that wil helpe to print them then set fines on al their heades that shal keepe them and make very diligent search after them so that al these common wordes may most truly be returned vpon your selfe Mutato nomine de te narratur fabula You note that I subtilly left out of his Majesties speech from Christ her Lord and head but shew no cause why and no maruaile for none indeede can be shewed they are needlesse wordes as being comprehended in the former For if the Church of Rome departed not from her selfe vvhen shee was in her most flourishing and best estate shee cannot depart from Christ her Lord and head vvherefore to note this for a subtle tricke giueth the reader cause to note you for a wrangler and one that is very captious where no cause is offered M. Abbot comes at length to my first reason and goeth about to disproue it thus ROBERT ABBOT WE hope you wil not deny but the Apostle S. Paul was one principal pillar of the Church of Rome vvho there shed his bloud He vvrote an Epistle to that Church vvhen the faith thereof was most renowmed throughout the world He vvrote at large comprehending therein as * Theodor. in praefat epist Pat. li. Theodoret saith doctrine of al sortes or al kinde of doctrine Et accuratam copiosamue dogmatum pertractationem An exact and plentiful handling of al points thereof Now in al that Epistle what doth he say either for you or against vs nay what doth he not say for vs against you he condemneth the Rom. 1. v. 23. changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the Image of a corruptible man and worshipping the creature in steede of the creatour It is for vs against you for you by your schoole-trickes doubt not to teach men by the Image of a man to worship God and by religious deuotion of praiers and offerings to worship Saints and Saints Images
fiercely bent to deceiue others that he cared not vvhat vntruth he vttered The Apostle maketh honourable mention of Hebr. 9. vers 4. 5. the Images of the Cherubins placed gloriously in the vppermost part of the Israelites Tabernacle which for the holinesse thereof was called Sancta sanctorum Further that within the Arke of the testament standing in the same place vvere reserued pretious Relikes as the rodde of Aaron that blossomed a golden pot ful of that Angelical foode Manna which God rained from heauen and the Tables of the Testament to vvhich if you joine the sentence of the same Apostle 1. Cor. 10. vers 11. That al hapned to them in figure and were written for our instruction may not vve then gather thereby that Images are to be placed in Churches and holy Relikes in golden shrines And the same Apostle in the same Epistle declaring Hebr. 11. vers 21. that Iacob by faith adored the toppe of Iosephs â—odde vvhich was a signe of his power doth he not giue al juditious men to vnderstand that the Images of Saints for their holy representation ought to be respected and worshipped With as great facility and no lesse perspicuity we doe collect out of S. Paul that the Saints in heauen are to be praied vnto for he doth Rom. 15 30. 2. hartily craue the Romans to helpe him in their praiers and hopeth by the helpe of Cor. 1. vers 11. the Corinthians praiers to be deliuered from great dangers Whence we reason thus If such a holy man as S. Paul was stood in neede of other mens praiers much more neede haue we poore vvretches of the praiers of Saints S. Paul was not ignorant how ready God is to heare vs nor of the only mediation of Christ IESVS and yet as high as he was in Gods fauour and as wel informed of the office of Christs mediation he held it needful to request other farre meaner then himselfe to pray for him Al this is good saith a good Protestant for to instruct vs to request the helpe of other mens praiers that are liuing with vs but not of Saints who are departed this world Yes say we because the Saints in heauen are more charitable and desirous of Gods honour and of our spiritual good then any friend we haue liuing and therefore more forward to assist vs vvith their praiers They are also more gratious in the sight of God and thereby better able to obtaine our requests Al vvhich may easily be gathred out of S. Paul vvho saith that 1. Cor. 13.8 charity neuer faileth but is maruailously encreased in that heauenly country Also that Ephes 2. vers 19. we are not strangers and forraigners to the Saints but their fellow cittizens and the houshold seruants of God with them yea we are members of the same body wherefore they cannot choose but tender most dearely al our sutes that appertaine vnto the glory of God our owne saluation They therefore haue finally no other shift to auoide praying to Saints but to say that though al other circumstances doe greatly moue vs thereto yet considering that they cannot heare vs it is labour lost to pray to them To vvhich we reply and that out of S. Paul that the Saints can heare vs and doe perfectly know our praiers made vnto them For the Apostle comparing the knowledge of this life vvith that of the life to come saith 1. Cor. 13. vers 9.10 12. De Ciuitat Dei lib. 22. cap. 29. In part we know and in part we prophecy but when that shal come which is perfect that shal be made voide which is in part And a little after We see now by a glasse in a darke sort but then face to face Whence not I but that Eagle-eied Doctor S. Augustine doth deduce that the knowledge of the heauenly cittizens is without comparison farre more perfect and clearer then euer any mortal mans vvas of thinges absent and to come yea that the Prophets vvho vvere indued with surpassing and extraordinary light did not reach any thing neare vnto the ordinary knowledge of the Saints in heauen grounding himselfe vpon these expresse wordes of the Apostle We prophecy in part that is imperfectly in this life which shal be perfect in heauen If then saith he the Prophets being mortal men had particular vnderstanding of thinges farre distant from them and done in other countries much more doe those immortal soules replenished with the glorious light of heauen perfectly know that which is done on earth though neuer so farre from them thus much of praying to Saints Now to the Masse The same profound diuine S. Augustine with other holy Fathers vvho were not wont so lightly to skimme ouer the Scriptures as our late new Masters doe but seriously searched them and most deepely pearced into them did also finde al the partes of the Masse touched by the Apostle S. Paul in these vvordes Aug. epist 59 ad PaulinuÌ„ Ambros Chrisost in hunc locum 1. Tim. 2. v. 1. I desire that obsecrations praiers postulations thanks-giuings be made for al men c. declaring how by these foure wordes of the Apostles are expressed the foure different sort of praiers vsed in the celebration of the holy Misteries By obsecrations those praiers that the Priest saith before consecration By praiers such as be said at and after the coÌ„secration vnto the end of the Pater noster By postulations those that are said at the communion vnto the blessing of the people Finally By thanks-giuing such as are said after by both Priest and people to giue God thankes for so great a gift receiued He that knowes what the Masse is may by these wordes of the Apostle see al the partes of it very liuely painted out in this discourse of S. Augustine vvho though he calleth not that celebration of the Sacrament by the name of Masse yet doth he giue it a name equiualent Epistola 59. Sacri Altaris oblatio the oblation or sacrifice of the holy Altar in the solution of the fift question at the exposition of these vvordes Orationes As for the principal part of the Masse vvhich is the Real presence of Christes body in the blessed Sacrament S. Paul deliuereth it in as expresse tearmes as may be euen as he had receiued it from our Lord 1. Cor. 11. vers 23. This is my body which shal be deliuered for you c. and addeth that he that eateth and drinketh it vnworthily eateth and drinketh judgement to himselfe not discerning the body of our Lord. And in the chapter before makes this demande The Chalice or cup of benediction which we blesse is it not the communication of the bloud of Christ and the bread which we breake is it not the participation of the body of our Lord Moreouer he speaketh of the Church of Rome being then but in her cradle most honourably saying Your faith is renowmed in the whole world and after Rom. 1.
be referred vnto the See Apostolike Because the Apostles by the commandement of our Sauiour haue ordained that questions of greater difficulty shal alwaies be referred vnto the Apostolike See vpon which Christ built the whole Church saying vnto blessed Peter the Prince of the Apostles thou art Peter vpon this rocke wil I build my Church c. Anacletus his immediate successor Euaristus Pope Martir writing vnto the Bishops of Africke Epistola 1. ad Eccles Africanam speaketh thus Truly your charity following the rule of the wise hath chosen rather to referre vnto the See Apostolike as to the head what ought to be obserued in doubtful matters then to presume your selues by vsurpation and writing to the brethren in Aegipt Epistola 2. doth command certaine Bishops whom he resembleth to adulterers because they had intruded into other Bishops Citties to be cast out of those places and to be made infamous and depriued of al Ecclesiastical honours adjoining That if after these thinges so dispatched they should haue further complaint against them that matter were to be enquired out and to be determined by the authority of this holy See Note how these holy Popes that vvere so nigh vnto the Apostles taught it to belong vnto the See of Rome to determine of the causes of the Bishops of Afrike and Aegipt most remote from them And because the Apostle S. Paul willeth 2. Cor. 13. vers 2. euery word to stand in the mouth of two or three witnesses I vvil take for the third Alexander the first Pope and Martir who succeeded vnto Euaristus he is as plaine and formal in this cause as any of the rest these be his wordes Epist 1. omnibus orthodoxis It is related vnto the primacy of this holy and Apâ—stolike See vnto which the disposition of the highest cases and the affaires of al Churches are by our Lord committed as to the head c. and a little after Our Lord here appointed this holy See the head of the whole Church I omit here the verdict of al others herein because this very matter must be spoken off hereafter againe and againe these three most ancient graue and Godly Martirs al successours of S. Peter and S. Paul vpon whose authority M. Abbot here only insisteth vvil suffice to certifie the indifferent reader that euen from the Apostles daies the Bishop of Rome hath beene taken for supreme judge in al Ecclesiastical causes aswel in the East as West Church To finish this passage thou maist gentle reader by this little see what shamelesse shifts M. Abbot is forced to vse to make any coulourable shew out of antiquity for the lay Magistrates superiority in spiritual causes He is first driuen to cite an vnlearned an vnlikely and an Apocriphal letter of 1400. yeares old vpon the credit of men of our owne age and those most partial too on his owne side the letter bearing date also many yeares after the death of him that is supposed to be the authour of it and when al is done in the same vvorshipful letter there is not one pregnant proofe for any part of their doctrine lastly that his owne chosen witnesses doe deliuer vp most cleare euidence against himselfe he therefore that vvil giue judgement on his side must needes shew himselfe exceeding partial ROBERT ABBOT ANACLETVS Bishop of Rome Dist 1. Episcopus 2. peracta and after him Calixtus ordained that consecration being done al should communicate or else be excommunicated For so say they the Apostles did set downe and the holy Church of Rome obserueth But the Church of Rome that now is maketh it lawful for the Priest to receiue alone the people in the meane time standing gazing and looking on and the fight only must suffice them WILLIAM BISHOP HERE is nothing in manner worth the answering only the cosening deceitfulnesse of the man is to be displaied First Anacletus hath only De consecrat dist 1. Can. Episcopus that Deacons Subdeacons and other Ministers that in solemne feasts attend in holy vestiments vpon the Bishop whiles he doth sacrifice vnto God should in the same solemne feasts communicate or else be debarred of their Ecclesiastical places where is not one word of the lay peoples communicating And therefore that Canon is wholy besides the purpose sauing that it doth teach that then Bishops vsed to offer sacrifice vnto God and that the Clarkes did in holy vestiments serue them at Masse See the Canon and vvonder at the folly of the man In like manner doth the second Canon of Calixtus speake of Ecclesiastical persons that serue at Masse for so saith the Collector De consecrat dist 2. Can. peracta Ecclesiasticis liminibus careat Minister Let the Minister or he that serueth want Ecclesiastical place With which agreeth the glosse vpon the same Canon vvhich also is euident by the very Text for the punishment set downe is Ecclesiasticis carere liminibus To be shut out of the Ecclesiastical mens seates and places vvhich vvere no punishment to a lay man that was not before admitted into any such roome And as it may be seene in the said distinction Cap. Etsi non frequentius De consecrat dist 1. and Cap. Secularis Lay men were commanded about those times to communicate but thrife in the yeare at Easter Whitsontide and Christmasse Briefly here is nothing against the moderne practise of the Church of Rome for both they that solemnely serue at Masse on festiual daies doe receiue and no lay man is denied to communicate on any day either on those feasts or at any time else vvhen he vvil prepare himselfe thereto But to debarre Priests from seruing God in that most high degree be their deuotion and preparation neuer so good vntil they can get some company of the laity to communicate with them is without just cause to robbe God of his soueraigne honour to extinguish the working of his holy spirit in deuout soules and to defraude the whole flocke of the benefit of many most holy and effectual praiers not only of the Priests but also of the people vvho doe not with vs stand gazing on at the time of communion as M. Abbot prophanely conceiteth but humbly kneeling doe then pray most deuoutly and doe in spirit and desire communicate also Briefly there is not one sillable in those Canons sounding to the Protestant sence that Priests should not coÌ„municate if the Clarke or people joine not vvith them but only that the indeuout and slugglish Clarkes should be depriued of their places if vpon high feasts they did neglect to communicate with the Bishop or Pastor ROBERT ABBOT IVLIVS the Bishop of Rome disallowed intinctam Eucharistiam De consecrat 2. cum omne the dipping of the Eucharist the Sacrament of Christs body in the cuppe Because no witnesse thereof was brought out of the Gospel but there is mentioned the commending of the bread by it selfe and the cuppe by it selfe but
now by the Canon of the Masse the Priest must dippe the third part of the consecrated host into the Sacrament of the bloud and there praieth that this mixture may be heathful to himselfe and al the receiuers vnto euerlasting life WILLIAM BISHOP I Cannot easily judge whether this man were more fiercely bent to deceiue others or more foolishly set to shame himselfe vvith lying that durst aduenture vpon this Canon of the auncient and most learned Pope Iulius for besides that it hath nothing for the Protestants purpose it doth in sundry points notably confirme the Roman doctrine thus beginneth the Canon When euery crime and sinne is purged and blotted out by sacrifices offered vnto God what shal hereafter be giuen to God for the purgation of our sinnes when errour is committed in the oblation of the sacrifice it selfe note how often he repeateth and recommendeth the diuine sacrifice of the Masse For we haue heard of some men possessed with schismatical ambition who contrary to diuine order and the institution of the Apostles doe in the diuine sacrifice offer milke in steede of wine others also for a complement of communion doe giue the dipped Sacrament to the people c. Then confuting these opinions he saith When the Master of truth did commend to his Disciples the true sacrifice of our saluation he gaue to none of them milke c. let therefore milke be no more offered when we sacrifice Then come in the broken vvordes of M. Abbot thus But for that of the dipped Eucharist which for a complement of communion they deliuer to the people they haue not receiued any testimony brought out of the Gospel where our Lord commended to the Apostles his body and bloud for there the bread is mentioned apart and the commendation of the Chalice apart where M. Abbot first left out the commending of Christs body and bloud to his Disciples because those vvordes vvould haue scalded his tongue Secondly this Canon hath nothing against that vvhich is now done by the Priest in the Masse for the Priest doth not dippe any part of the Host into the Chalice to be afterwardes taken out and giuen to the people vvhich is that which Pope Iulius doth disproue Neither doe our Priests to speake properly dippe any part of the Sacrament into the Chalice for dipping in importeth as much as the putting in and taking foorth againe which we doe not but only for a holy signification we doe put into the Chalice one litle parâ—â— of the Host there to lie and not to be taken out againe but to be receiued by the Priest together with the bloud and therefore we cal it not the dipping in but the mixture or mingling together of the body and bloud of Christ wherefore M. Abbot erreth in the maine point of his reprehension For Pope Iulius reproued only the giuing of the dipped Host vnto the people vvhich we doe not nor hold it any way necessary because vve teach them that the holy Host of Christs body containes in it selfe being a liuing body as wel Christes bloud as his flesh now vve doe only put a little peece of the sacred Host into the Chalice there to be receiued with the pretious bloud not of the people but by the Priest alone That this is no new deuise of the Church of Rome may be wel gathered out of the same distinction and in the very next leafe to that of Pope Iulius cited by M. Abbot in the Canon Triforme De consecrat distinct 2. vvhere Pope Sergius of more then 800. yeares standing doth expound this very ceremony of putting one part of the host into the Chalice It was then a knowne vsed ceremony of the Masse in his daies and no late inuention as M. Abbot dreameth I may not here forget that in the very Canon of Pope Iulius vvhich M. Abbot alleageth there is most expresse and very earnest coÌ„mandement of mingling water with the vvine that is to be consecrated Because saith that blessed Pope our Lordes Chalice according vnto the precepts of the Canons must be offered the wine being first mingled with water Finally we haue in this Canon alleaged by M. Abbot a confirmation of a propitiatory sacrifice of the real presence of Christs body and bloud two principal points of our doctrine and of mingling water with wine in the offertory and not one direct word for the Protestants And because this resolution of Iulius seemeth to be taken almost vvord for word out of Pope Alexanders first letter vvho was but the fift Pope from S. Peter I wil acquaint the reader vvith his wordes these they be Alexand. in epist omnibus orthodoxis De consecrat dist 2. Can. 1. In the oblations of Sacraments which are offered vnto our Lord at the solemne time of Masse the passion of our Lord is to be blended that his passion may be celebrated whose body and bloud is made and consecrated so that superstitious opinions being banished bread alone and wine mingled with water be offered in the sacrifice For as we haue receiued from the Fathers and very reason doth teach in the cuppe of our Lord only water or only wine ought not to be offered but both of them mixed togither And a little after Crimes and sinnes are blotted out when these sacrifices are offered therefore the passion of our Lord whereby we were redeemed is to be remembred with such sacrifices our Lord is delighted and shal be appeased and wil pardon huge offences For among sacrifices nothing can be greater then the body and bloud of Christ Neither is there any oblation better then this but this surpasseth them al c. Where you see the present Roman religion deliuered in as formal tearmes as may be There is also much more to the same purpose but I am the briefer in these authorities and doe alleage them more sparingly because Protestants seing them to be beyond al other exceptions doe flatly deny almost al the Epistles and Decretals of the most ancient Popes neuerthelesse they must needes be effectual and haue good place against M. Abbot that doth take vpon him to establish their doctrine put downe ours by the testimony of these the lawful heires and successours vnto the Apostles S. Peter and S. Paul alleaging many testimonies out of the very same Epistles Wherefore seing he hath appealed to them he must needes stand to them for this sentence of the President Festus hath his ground in very reason it selfe Act. 25. v. 12. Hast thou appealed to Caesar to Caesar shalt thou goe M. Abbot judged those Popes sentences of sound authority for confirmation of their religion he may not therefore deny them being brought in against him The same Pope Iulius to omit many other cleare testimonies taken out of his owne letters because the Protestants doe cauil at them doth most euidently confirme the soueraigne power of the See of Rome ouer al the East Church euen by the vvitnesse of most approued authours For vpon the
beene supreme gouernour of Christes Church To vvhich fallacy it is most easie to answere First that albeit the Patriarke of Constantinople could not so cal himselfe in a lawful good meaning but proudly and wickedly because he had his jurisdiction limited vvithin the boundes of his owne Patriarkship had nothing to doe with any other churches that vvere vvithout it so that his power was in no sence vniuersal that is spred ouer al the world yet this name might in some good sence notwithstāding haue beene giuen vnto the Bishop of Rome as S. Gregory himselfe in one of the same Epistles vvhich M. Abbot citeth doth intimate For vvriting to the Patriarke of Alexandria he saith Lib. 4. Epist 36. Your Holinesse knoweth that by the Councel of Chalcedon vvhich vvas one of the foure first general Councels most highly esteemed off by S. Gregory this name of vniuersallity was offered to me as Bishop of the Apostolike See for as he testifieth Epist 32. of the same booke that name was in honour of S. Peter Prince of the Apostles attributed by many in that Councel vnto the Bishop of Rome yet saith he none of my Predecessours consented to vse it because verily if one Patriarke be called vniuersal the other are made no Patriarkes at al. Briefly then to dispatch this great matter that name vniuersal as it was challenged by Iohn Patriarke of Constantinople who had no right to it in any good sence was presumptuous peruerse and prophane in vvhich consideration S. Gregory so tearmed it Neither vvould he nor any of his predecessours vse that name though in that sence that they had charge and command ouer the vniuersal Church it might haue beene attributed to them yet because it was subject to another construction to wit that the Bishop of Rome was the only truly proper Bishop of euery Diocesse and other named Bishops were not true and proper Bishops there of but the vniuersal Bishops Vicars Suffraganes and Substitutes therefore they vtterly auoided that name as matter of jealousie and scandal choosing the humble stile of seruus seruorum Dei The seruant of Gods seruants For the further satisfaction of the learned reader I wil proue out of S. Gregory in the very same place quoted by M. Abbot both that he wrote against the name of vniuersal Bishop in the later sence And that notwithstanding he refused that name yet that he acknowledged and taught the Bishop of Rome to haue supreme authority ouer al the Church of Christ Touching the first the wordes before alleaged out of his 36. Epistle Lib. 4. Epist 36. doe demonstrate so much to wit If one Patriarke be called vniuersal the other are made no Patriarkes at al vvhich can haue no other sence then that the calling of one Patriarke or Bishop Vniuersal doth signifie him so to be a Bishop in euery place that no other besides him can be truly and properly called Bishop but must be his Vicar and Subdelegate The like saith he in his 34. Epistle to the Emperesse Lib. 4. Epist 34. That his brother and fellow Bishop Iohn striued to be called Bishop alone And in the 7. booke and 69. Epistle to Eusebius he saith Si vniuersalis est restat vt vos Episcopi non sitis If one Bishop be vniuersal it remaineth that you be no Bishops This then is most certaine that S. Gregory spake against the name of Vniuersal Bishop taken in this sence that he was so a Bishop as no other but he could be Bishop in any place Marry if we vnderstand by it one man to haue the general charge of al the Churches in the vvorld yet so as there be also Bishops and Archbishops his brothers who haue the particular and proper gouernement of their seueral Diocesse then S. Gregory telleth vs plainely that S. Peter and his Successours the Bishops of Rome were such these be his wordes Lib. 4. Epist 76. It is manifest to al that know the Gospel that the charge of the whole Church was by our Lordes owne mouth committed to S. Peter Prince of al the Apostles And againe in the same Epistle Behold Peter receiued the keies of the Kingdome of heauen the power of binding and loosing is giuen to him the charge and principality of the whole Church is committed to him vvhich is also repeated in one of the Epistles cited by M. Abbot Lib. 4. Epist 32. And that by S. Peter this vniuersal charge and authority was left vnto the Bishops and See of Rome no man can vvitnesse it more manifestly then S. Gregory hath done First hauing proued out of the word of God S. Peters supremacy he adjoyneth Lib. 6. Epist 201. Therefore though there were many Apostles yet for the principality it selfe the only seate of the Prince of the Apostles hath preuailed in authority As farre as the See Apostolike is euidently knowne to be set ouer al Churches by the authority of God So farre amongst other manifold cares that doth greatly occupy vs when for the consecration of a Bishop our sentence is expected Againe Lib. 2. Epist 69. Lib. 7. Epist 64. For whereas he the Patriarke of Constantinople acknowledgeth himselfe to be subject vnto the Apostolike See of Rome I know not what Bishop is not subject vnto it Moreouer What thing soeuer shal be done in that Councel without the authority and consent of the See Apostolike it is of no strength and vertue Whereas on the other side he saith Those thinges that are once ratified Lib. 7. Epist 69. by the authority of the See Apostolike neede no further strength or confirmation If any man desire to see how S. Gregory himselfe practised that soueraigne authority ouer al the parts of the Christian world let him but reade his Epistles and he shal finde it most perspicuously Magdeburg Centur. 6. In Indice verbo Gregorius euen as their owne great writers of the Centuries doe testifie directing them to the places in his workes where they shal finde the same How devoide then was M. Abbot of al good conscience and honest dealing that vvould vnder the colour of his writing against the name of vniuersal in that sence perswade the simple that S. Gregory vtterly misliked of the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome Now because that S. Gregory hath beene alwaies highly esteemed and greatly respected of both Latin and Greeke Church for his singular holynes and learning and was besides the principal cause vnder God of the conuersion of vs English-men vnto the Christian faith I wil note out of his workes summarily what was his opinion of many of the questioned points of faith betweene the Protestants and vs because M. Abbot citeth him against vs that euery one may see vvhat religion was first planted amongst vs English-men and continued for a thousand yeares Of the Supremacy and Merit of good workes hath beene spoken already Concerning the sacrifice of the Masse it was daily offered vp to God in his age
their saying doe alleage this Canon which maketh nothing at al for them because it speaketh only of a Priest that had a wife in times past Qui vxorem habuit that had a wife not that hath a wife Such men that vvere once married after their vviues death we doe admit to be Priests and to offer sacrifice condemning the Eustachians or vvhosoeuer else vnder pretence of their former mariages doth seeke to debarre them from that sacred function Marry such sensual or weake men that cannot or wil not refraine from marriage or company of their wiues vve doe wholy exclude from the celebration of the holy misteries And verily ignorantly and sawcily doth Mathew of Paris or any other late writer reprehend Gregory the seauenth for forbidding al men to be present at their Masses For it argueth great and grosse ignorance in al learned antiquity to account it a strange thing that Priests keeping company with their wiues should be repelled from the Altar vvhen not only Gregory the great Leo the great and Epiphanius vvhose sentences I haue before recited but also euen by M. Abbots owne confession Pope Stritius with the Clergy of Rome and S. Hierome did teach the very same little lesse then a thousand yeares before Mathew of Paris daies to omit sundry other ancient Fathers and decrees of approued Councels so that it was no strange example or vnaduised act to forbidde such fleshly fellowes to celebrate Masse neither could any but loose libertines be offended at it ROBERT ABBOT THE Valentinian Heretikes and Heracleonites Irenae lib. 2. cap. 18. Epiph. Haeres 36. August de Haeres 16. were condemned by the old Church of Rome for vsing expiations and redemptions by anointing men vvhen they were about to die yet thereof hath the Church of Rome now framed to themselues their Sacrament of Extreme vnction WILLIAM BISHOP HERE are but a few lines and yet not free from some lies The Church of Rome hath her Sacrament of Extreme vnction registred in the holy Scriptures as M. Abbot knoweth wel enough in these wordes Iacob 5. vers 14. Is any man sicke among you let him bring in the Priests of the Church and let them pray ouer them anoiling them with oile in the name of our Lord and the praier of faith shal saue the sicke and our Lord lift him vp and if he be in sinnes they shal be remitted him Where we see a set holy ceremony which was instituted by Christ and published by his Apostle S. Iames to be vsed ordinarily by the Priests for remission of sinnes which doth conuince it to be a true and proper Sacrament A fond fiction then was it to say that it was after the Apostles time inuented by Heretikes and that the Church of Rome hath borrowed it of them vvith which foolish deuise of theirs it hath also very smal affinity for their dreame was that by the pronouncing of certaine vnknowne Hebrew vvordes ouer the head of the sicke their soule was made inuisible and incomprehensible Epiph. Haeres 36. euen vnto the infernal spirits as M. Abbots owne authour witnesseth Briefly they differed in forme of wordes in substance of matter and in the state and intention of the Minister They vsed certaine Hebrew vvordes Messia Vphared and such like vvhich are set downe by Epiphanius We these God of his most pittiful mercy and by this holy anointing forgiue thee thy sinnes They vsed oile or some other ointment mixed with vvater We oile alone blessed by a Bishop Any lay person of their brother-hood might minister their drugs Our Sacrament is to be administred by a Priest only Their intention was to make the soule inuisible to the infernal spirits But ours is according to the doctrine of the Apostle to purge the sicke from the relikes of sinne and to giue him comfort and strength to resist the assaults of the ghostly enemy There being so great difference in al the essential points of these two anoilinges judge what a wonderful inginer M. Abbot did take himselfe to be when he conceited that he could by his fine pen shal I say or brazen fore-head make them seeme al one to the simple ROBERT ABBOT IT vvas heresie in the Pelagians with the old Church of Rome to affirme in this life a possibility perfectly to fulfil the law of God and S. Hierome as touching this point L. 1 2. 3. aduers Pelag. expresly disputeth against them but now it is heresie with the Church of Rome to affirme and teach the same that Hierome did as M. Bishop afterwardes giueth vs to vnderstand The same Pelagians were accounted Heretikes for saying that a man in this life might be anamarticos without sinne and that by baptisme he becommeth so but now the Church of Rome teacheth the same And M. Bishop in plaine tearmes telleth vs Page 32. That there is no more sinne left in the new baptized man then was in Adam in the state of innocency to vvhich state of baptisme they also equal a man vvhen he is shriuen to the Priest and of him hath receiued absolution from his sinnes I reserue the Pelagian doctrine of Free-wil and Satisfaction to their due place vvhere God-vvilling it shal appeare that therein also the now Church of Rome approueth those points as Catholike and true for which the ancient Church of Rome condemned them Yea so farre is the Pelagian heresie in request vvith the Papists as that Faustus a Bishop of France at that time a maintainer thereof Bignae Bibliot sacrae Tom. 2. Osor de Inst lib. 9. is by some of them recorded for a Saint and his booke vvhich he hath vvritten in behalfe thereof is called Opus insigne A notable worke And by some other the doctrine of S. Augustine against the Pelagians concerning Predestination is repugned which of old vvas acknowledged by the Church of Rome to be the Catholike doctrine of the Church WILLIAM BISHOP M. ABBOT comes now to make an end of his slanders and false imputations against the present Catholike Roman Church after the same sort as he hath heretofore vsed to wit with wrested and vntrue reportes of the old Heretikes opinions and the ancient Fathers refutations of them The Pelagians did teach indeed that it was possible to keepe Gods Cōmandements but therefore they were not accounted Heretikes for the same doth both S. Augustine and S. Hierome that writ against them approue and confirme in many places I wil touch some of each of them S. Augustine hauing alleaged certaine texts of holy Scripture to proue the same doth conclude thus By these and innumerable other testimonies De Peccatis Meritis Remissione lib. 2. cap. 6. I cannot doubt either that God hath commanded man any thing that is impossible for him to doe or that it is impossible for God to helpe man to fulfil whatsoeuer he hath commanded him and therefore a man holpen by God may if he wil be without sinne De Grat. l. Arbit ca. 16. And
in steede of God WILLIAM BISHOP WHAT a worthy graue Preface he vseth to assure men that vve wil not deny S. Paul nor his Epistle to the Romans vvhich neuer were called in doubt by any man But good S ir vvhiles you muse and busie your head so much vpon bables you forget or wilfully mistake the very point of the question Was the Church of Rome at her most flourishing estate when S. Paul wrote that Epistle to the Romans was her faith then most renowmed ouer al the world as you write nothing lesse for not the tenne thousand part of that most populous Citty was then conuerted to the faith and they that had receiued the Christian faith were very nouices in it and stoode in great neede of the Apostles diuine instructions Any reasonable man would rather judge that the Church of Rome then came first to her most flourishing estate when Idolatry and al kind of superstition was put to silence and banished out of her vvhen the Christian religion was publikly preached countenanced by the Emperours authority which was not before the raigne of Constantine the great our most glorious country-man vvherefore M. Abbots first fault is that he shooteth farre vvide from the marke vvhich he should haue aimed at principally The second is more nice yet in one that would seeme so acute not to be excused It is that he taketh an Epistle written to the Romans for their instruction and correction as if it were a declaration and profession of their faith vvhen as al men know such a letter might containe many thinges vvhich they had not heard off before Further yet that you may see how nothing can passe his fingers vvithout some legerdemaine marke how he englisheth Theodorets wordes Dogmatum pertractationem The handling of opinions is by him translated al points of doctrine vvhereas it rather signifieth some then al opinions or lessons But I wil let these ouer-sights passe as flea-bitings and follow him whither he pleaseth to wāder that euery man may see when he is permitted to say what he liketh best that in truth he can alleage out of S. Paul nothing of moment against the Catholike faith S. Paul saith he is wholy against you and for vs. Quickly said but wil not be so soone proued First he condemneth the worshipping of Saints and Saints Images in that he reproueth the Heathens for changing the glory of the incorruptible God into the similitude of the Image of a corruptible man O noble disputer and wel worthy the whippe because we may not make false Gods or giue the glory of God vnto Idols may vve not therefore yeeld vnto Saints their due vvorship might not S. Paul whiles he liued as al other most Godly men be reuerenced and vvorshipped for their most excellent spiritual and religions vertues with a kinde of holy and religious respect euen as Knights and Lordes and other worldly men are vvorshipped and honoured for their temporal callings and endowments with temporal worship vvithout robbing God of his honour Is the Lord or Master dishonoured and spoiled of his due reuerence and respect if his seruants for his sake be much made off and respected yet with such due regard only as is meete for their degree This is so childish and palpable that if the Protestants were not resolued to sticke obstinately to their errours how grosse soeuer they be they vvould for very shame not once more name it To the next ROBERT ABBOT PAVL saith and we say the same that Ibid. vers 17. the righteousnesse of God is from faith to faith you say otherwise that it is from faith to workes that faith is but the entrance to workes and that in workes the righteousnesse of God doth properly consist WILLIAM BISHOP THE sentence of S. Paul is mangled his wordes are for the justice or righteousnesse of God is reuealed therein in the Gospel by faith into faith which are obscure and subject to diuers expositions The most common is that Christ the justice of God is reuealed in the Gospel by conferring the faith of them that liued before the Gospel vvith their faith that liued vnder it the faith of them who liue in the Gospel giuing great light for the cleerer vnderstanding of such thinges as were taught of Christmore darkely in the law and Prophets This being the literal sence of this place what is here for mans justification by only faith where only mention is made of Gods justice and not one vvord of the imputation of it to man but of the reuelation of it in the Gospel What a foule mistaking is this alas his pouerty of spirit and want of good armour compelleth him to lay hand on any vveapons how simple and weake soeuer In the next verse it is plainly shewed that God did grieuously punish al them vvho liued wickedly notwithstanding they held the right faith for saith S. Paul Rom. 1. v. 18. the wrath of God from heauen is reuealed vpon al impiety and vnrighteousnesse of those men that retaine or hold the truth of God in injustice Whence it followeth first that men may haue a true faith without good workes for they held the truth of God being themselues wicked Secondly that the same faith would not auaile them aught nor saue them from the just wrath of God if it were not quickned by good workes ROBERT ABBOT THE Apostle in expresse termes affirmeth Rom. 4. v. 6. imputation of righteousnesse vvithout vvorkes We doe the same but you professedly dispute against it WILLIAM BISHOP WE hold with the Apostle that vvorkes be not the cause of the first justification whereof he there treateth nor to deserue it though inspired with Gods grace they doe prepare vs and make vs fit to receiue the gift of justification neither doe the Protestants wholy exclude workes from this justification vvhen they doe require true repentance which consisteth of many good workes as necessary thereto We hold that justice is increased by good workes which we cal the second justification against which the Apostle speaketh not a vvord but doth confirme it vvhen he saith in the same Epistle Rom. 2. v. 13. Not the hearers of the law are just with God but the doers of the law shal be justified Marke how by doing of the law which is by doing good workes men are justified with God and not only declared just before men as the Protestants glose the matter Now touching See the place Rom. 4. v. 6. imputation of righteousnesse the Apostle speaketh not like a Protestant of the outward imputation of Christs justice to vs but of inherent justice to wit of faith vvhich worketh by charity which are qualities Rom. 6. powred into our harts by the holy Ghost so that there is only a bare sound of wordes for the Protestants the true substance of the Text making wholy for the Catholikes ROBERT ABBOT PAVL teacheth that Rom. 6. v. 23. Page 98. eternal life is the gift of God through IESVS
Christ our Lord but you M. Bishop tel vs That al who are of yeares must either by their good carriage deserue eternal life or else for their badde behauiour be disinherited WILLIAM BISHOP IN the same place you had a large solution of this objection but he that hath made a couenant with hel vvil not looke vpon that vvhich might helpe him to heauen We teach vvith the Apostle and vvith his faithful interpreter S. Augustine That eternal life is the gift of God both originally because we must receiue grace by the free gift of God before we can doe any thing that doth deserue the joies of heauen and also principally the vvhole vertue and value of our merits doe proceede of the dignity of Gods grace in vs which doth eleuate and giue such worth to our workes that they thereby deserue life euerlasting Notwithstanding if we take not hold on Gods grace vvhen it is freely offered vs and doe not concurre with it to the effecting of good workes we shal neuer be saued and this our working with the grace of God deserues heauen both which are proued by this sentence of the same Apostle Rom. 2. vers 6.7 8. God wil render to euery man according to his workes to them truly that according to patience in good workes seeke glory and honour and incorruption life eternal to them that are of contention and that obey not the truth but giue credit to iniquity wrath and indignation where you may see in expresse tearmes eternal life to be rendered and repaid for good workes to such men as diligently seeke to doe them and to others vvho refuse to obey the truth and rather choose to beleeue lies and to liue wickedly eternal death and damnation ROBERT ABBOT HE telleth vs againe and againe that Rom. 7. vers 7. 8. concupiscence is sinne to lust is to sinne and that by the law it is knowne so to be vve say the same and you goe about to make vs beleeue that it is no sinne WILLIAM BISHOP THE Apostle telleth vs againe and againe that our Sauiour Christ IESVS was made 2. Cor. 5 21. sinne and yet no Christian is so simple as to take him to be properly sinne but the Rom. 8. v. 3. bost or satisfaction for sinne so vvhen the Apostle calleth concupiscence sinne we vnderstand him with S. Augustine that it is not sinne properly yet so called not vnaptly both becâ—use it is the effect and remnant of original sinne and doth also pricke vs forward to actual sinne but if by helpe of the grace of God we represse it we are deliuered from the infection and guilt of it Which S. Paul in the very same chapter declareth when he demandeth Lib. 1. cont duas Epistol Pelag c. 10. Lib. 1. de Nupt. CoÌ„cupis cap. 23. * Ibid. v. 25. Who shal deliuer me from this body of death he answereth presently the grace of God by IESVS Christ our Lord. And againe that profound Doctor S. Augustine argueth very soundly out of the same sentence vvhere concupiscence is called sinne but now not I worke it any more but the sinne that is in me that the Apostle could not meane sinne properly which cannot saith he be committed without the consent of our minde Lib. 6. cont Iulian. c. 23. but that had no consent of the minde to it because it vvas not the Apostle that did worke it Now how can that be the euil worke of a man if the man himselfe doe not vvorke it as the Apostle saith expressely not I doe worke it Lastly the same Apostle teacheth that sinne hath no dominion ouer them that are vnder grace which were false if concupiscence were properly sinne for that hath such dominion ouer euery good body that they cannot auoide the motion and sting of it No not S. Paul could be 2. Cor. 12. vers 8. cleerely deliuered from that pricke of thâ— flesh though he praied most earnestly for it vvherefore by the testimony of S. Paul himselfe concupiscence is not properly sinne no more is it to lust if lust be taken for the first motions of concupiscence But Iacob 1. vers 15. concupiscence when it hath conceiued as S. Iames speaketh that is by our liking beginneth to take hold on vs bringeth forth sinne yet but venial marry when it is consummate by our consent or long lingring in it then it engendreth death that is mortal sinne ROBERT ABBOT S. PAVL saith of the spirit of adoption the same spirit beareth witnesse with our spirit that we are the Sonnes of God but you say we haue no such witnesse whereby we should beleeue that we are the Sonnes of God WILLIAM BISHOP AND that vve say vpon good consideration for we must not beleeue with the Christian faith which is free from al feare any thing that is not assured and most certaine Now the spirit of God doth not beare vs vvitnesse so absolutely and assuredly that we are the sonnes of God but vnder a condition which is not certaine to vvit that we be the sonnes and heires of God Rom. 8. v. 17. Si tamen compatimur yet if we suffer with him that we also may be glorified with him but whether we shal suffer with him and constantly to the end beare out al persecutions we know not so assuredly because as our Sauiour fore-telleth Luc. 8. v. 13. There be some that for a time beleeue and in time of temptation doe reuolt Was it not then a tricke of a false marchant to strike off the one halfe of the Apostles sentence that the other might seeme currant for him now no man doth more plainly or roundly beate downe their presumption vvho assure themselues of saluation then S. Paul as in many other places so in this very Epistle to the Romans in these wordes Cap. 11. v. 20. Wel because of their incredulity they the Iewes were broken off but thou Gentil by faith dost stand be not to highly wise but feare For if God hath not spared the natural boughes least perhaps be wil not spare thee neither see then the goodnesse and seuerity of God vpon them surely that are fallen the seuerity but vpon thee the goodnesse of God if thou abide in his goodnesse otherwise thou shalt also be cut off c. Can any thing be more perspicuously declared then that some such who were in grace once afterwardes fel and were cut off for euer and that some others stand in grace who if they looke not wel to their footing may also fal and become reprobate the Apostle directly forewarning those men vvho make themselues so sure of their saluation not to be so highly wise but to feare their owne frailty and weakenesse least otherwise they fal as many had done before them If this plaine discourse and those formal speeches vttered by the holy Ghost wil not serue to shake men out of their security of saluation I cannot see what may possibly doe it ROBERT