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A65980 Antichrist's strongest hold overturned, or, The foundation of the religion of the people called Quakers bared and razed in a debate had with some of them in the castle at Lancaster and in an additional account of the light within ..., here also is shewed the occasion of their rise and growth, together with the right way of discovering their secret delusions ..., hereunto is annexed an appendix wherein their evil language is discovered ... / all which is published ... by J.W. Wigan, John. 1651 (1651) Wing W2096; ESTC R30213 71,934 77

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9. That was the true Light which lighteth every man that comes into the world as if the bare urging or rather wresting of this one Scripture were sufficient to overthrow all that I had said For is not he the true Light say they And is not he a saving Light And doth not he lighten every man that comes into the world As I was replying to this Scripture divers of them took liberty to pass many heavy censures upon me which before I speak to that Scripture I shall here set down that the Spirit by which they are acted may better be discerned Margaret Fell said Thou art a miserable Creature James Brown with great fierceness Thou art an Enemy of God Thomas Davenport said but very mildly Thou hast denyed Christ to day Richard Cubhan said Thou hast denyed the Lord that bought thee and would undertake to prove that I was one of those false Prophets mentioned 2 Peter 2. 1. And so the Meeting ended Since which time I have also met with many harsh censures and reproaches The Caoler told me Margaret Fell said I had spoken many blasphemies George Fox said Thou art not a rationable man that was his own word John Baley a youth in the Town said The eternal Judgements of God will fall upon thee and burn thee up as chaff thou art worse than a Drunkard James Park in my own Chamber said with great vehemency Thou art a lyar and a Deceiver and the Curse of God will be upon thee in thy Bed-Chamber and Closet and where-ever thou goest and thou suffers as an evil doer And afterwards sent me a Paper with his Name subscribed wherein he hath these expressions John Wigans Thou full of subtilty Thou enemy of the Light of Righteousness Christ Jesus wilt thou not cease to pervert the right way of God the path of Life Thou art from the Doore thou art a Thief and a Robber thou art a blind Guide Thou Monster Thou strange Birth of the Flesh Thou conceive● Chaffe Thou brings forth Iniquity and drinks it up Thou foolish builder and despiser of the Light the true Light thou art in the darkness of thy clouded understanding contemning the Son of God and setting at nought the love of God to the world thou art a doing despite to the true Light and the Spirit of Grace accounting it an unholy thing Thou art a blind Leader of the blind in the ditch keeping people in the fall and in the ditch wo unto thee thou suffers as an evil doer Henry Wood in a Letter to Evan Price calls me his Priest with much more of this kind of Language which I forbear to mention have I been followed from day to day My answer to these great swelling words of vanity is That I am taught not to strive but to be gentle to all men 2 Tim. 2. 24 and that I have otherwise learned Christ than to render railing for railing 1 Pet. 3. 9. Yet may I not say to them as once Christ did to his Disciples Ye know not of what spirit ye are Are these the fruits of the Spirit of Christ Let them shew if they can where it is written That he or any acted by his Spirit called men even the worst of his Enemies Monsters or strange birth of the flesh or where he ever spake an untruth or falsly accused any yet thus they deal with me for besides that they are not able to prove me a Thief a Robber a Deceiver It is utterly false that I am any mans Priest or that I suffer as an evil doer which thing nevertheless they positively assert but I am moved with compassion towards them and shall not further insist upon these things for I pass not for mans day my judgement is with the Lord in this matter and I am also perswaded the Lord will in due time rebuke every evil Spirit whereby some simple-hearted ones may for a time be ensnared and led captive by him at his will onely here it may be necessary to enquire what in most prob●bility may be the occasion of these high and peremptory censures Surely I know no other nor do they declare any other cause then this viz. That my Assertion and Arguments brought from Scriptures to prove it do strike at the very Corner-Stone of their building which being removed the whole superstructure must unavoid●bly fall to the ground That which they boldly affirm with highest confidence in their words and Printed Books and which is their foundation is that the light which is in every man that comes into the world is Christ the Redeemer and Saviour the Lord that bought them the Eternal and just one the tryed precious corner Stone which God hath laid in Sion the Spirit yea the true infallible Spirit that was in the Prophets and Apostles the door the way the truth and the life in a word the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 spirituale the All that is to be known and believed and this is their 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 first lie now because I cannot call this the true Jesus as indeed it is not and worship an Idol as they do therefore am I charged to be their Enemie and Christs also in the fore-mentioned censures and in much more of the same kind To the end therefore that the grand deceiver with his deceipts yet hid under a disguise may be more easily detected and that truth being cleared from mistakes may be better discerned and that many simple hearts who being yet ignorant of Satans devices are captivated and led away with the errors of the wicked into pernitious wayes may be more effectually undeceived and reclaimed I shall endeavour briefly and plainly to shew 1. What the light in every man is 2. Of what use it is and the utmost it can do 3. What it cannot do That if God peradventure may please to give unto any Repentance to the acknowledging of the truth they may be recovered out of the snare of the Devil c. 2 Tim. 2. 25 26. For the better understanding of that which is to be spoken of the light in man it is necessary that these things following be premised 1. That God is light 1. Jo. 1. 5. and dwels in the light which no man can approach unto 1 Tim. 6. 16. and is the fountain and originall of all light And hence 2. That all light is of God all light is Gods light that is it is his off-spring he is the Author and efficient cause of it and thence is called the Father of lights Jam. 1. 17. And yet 3. That all light is not God for there are created lights light was the first distinct part of the whole creation Gen 1. 13. He made two great lights to rule the day and the night he made the Stars also Gen. 1. 16. which are called Stars of light Psal 14. 8 3. Now what God creates forms or makes that is not God 4. As External proper sensible
Light according to Joh 3. 3. Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God therefore this Light is to all that have it the Light of life Joh. 8. 12. He that followeth me shall not walk in darkness but shall have the Light of life the same Spirit that inlightens doth regenerate and renew Tit. 3. 5. According to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost and so not every man that comes into the world but he that is born of the Spirit Joh. 3. 5. and made a new creature 2 Cor. 5. 17. according to that Gospel-promise Ezek. 36. 26 A new heart will I give you and a new spirit will I put within you is inlightned with the marvellous Light of Christ By this Spirit also doth he write this new Law of Faith in their hearts called the Law of the Spirit of Life which is in Christ Jesus Rom. 8. 2. according to that of the Apostle Heb. 8. 10. I will put my Laws in their minds and write them in their hearts where he speaks not of the Law of works which is writ in the Natural mans heart but of the Law of the new Covenant which the Apostle is there treating of and which God would put into their hearts who were in Covenant with him and whose sins and iniquities he will remember no more Neither doth he onely give a new life a new light a renewed spirit and write his Laws in their hearts by his Spirit but that he may cause them to walk in his ways Ezek. 26. 27. and that they may have help in themselves Job 6. 13. he gives the Spirit himself to dwell in their hearts as the same Scripture Ezek. 26 27 testifies And I will put my Spirit within you So Gal. 4. 6. And because you are sons God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts crying Abba Father and so they become one spirit with the Lord 1 Cor. 6. 17. He that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit And this is that witness that every believer hath in himself 1 Joh. 5. 10. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself a witness that he is the childe of God Rom 8. 16. The Spirit it self beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God And while he looks at and believes on a Christ without him as having done all in his own person for him according to Rom. 4. 25. Who was delivered for our offences and raised again for our justification Rom. 8. 3. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinfull flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh Heb. 9. 26. And now in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself And Heb. 10. 12. But this man after he had once offered sacrifice for sins for ever sate down on the right hand of God He also knowes and hath a witness in himself that Christ dwels in his heart Eph. 3. 17. and lives in him as Paul witnessed Gal. 2. 20. Nevertheless I live yet not I but Christ liveth in me And he is the habitation of God through the Spirit Eph. 2. 27. In whom ye are builded for an habitation of God through the Spirit 1 Joh. 3. 24. We know that he abideth in us by the Spirit which he hath given us From that which hath bin said it doth plainly appear that the mistake of this people is very grosse who call the light in every man Christ and worship it as the Redeemer and the Lord that bought them whereas indeed as hath been cleared this light in every man is but the spirit of a man and the law written in his heart from the terrour and condemnation whereof the Lord Jesus came to deliver It also appears that to worship this light as the Redeemer is to worship an imaginarie and fictitious Christ and indeed an Idol and in effect to deny the person of the true Jesus who is Emmanuel God and man in union who in his own person without us not in ours hath by one offering once for ever wrought eternal redemption for us Heb. 9. 12. By his own blood he entred in once into the holy place having obtained eternall Redemption for us and is the alone object of Faith yea hence it will follow that whosoever affirmeth as this people doe that the light in every man is Christ is a deceiver and an Antichrist such as the Apostle speaks of 2 Joh. 7. For many deceivers are entred into the World who confess not that Jesus Christ is come into the flesh This is a deceiver and an Antichrist whom the Saints are forbidden to receive into their house or to bid them God speed Verse 10. Receive him not into your house neither bid him God speed But of these and other usefull Inferences more fully after the answering of an Objection or two wherein all their seeming strength lies and whereon their greatest confidence is built Against that which I have said there is nothing more frequently urged then that one Scripture Joh. 1. 9. That was the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world This Scripture they account to be an invincible proof of their fundament all Assertion which in their words and writings is thus held forth this light is Christ God the Lord God and the Lamb the object of faith and this true light which is Christ lightens not some but every man coming into the world And therefore it must needs be saving And that this light can be meant of no other then of Christ they further alledge Joh. 8. 12 35 36. where it is plainly exprest that Christ is the light of the world Because I observe that that subtil Adversary Satan doth get the greatest advantage against many weak and unstable souls through their misunderstanding and wresting of these Scriptures in the mean while being ignorant of his devices I shall indeavour according to my measure to declare the minde of Christ in them that if it be the will of the Lord such as are taken captive by him may escape out of his Snares When it is said that that was the true light which lighteth every man that comes into the world two things must be considered 1 Who this true light is 2 How he lighteth every man that comes into the world For the first the Scriptures do witness that this true light is the Word God by whom the world was made for as it is said Joh. 1. 1. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God So that which is spoken of in the 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 10. verses following is to be referred to the Word God the Creator of all things and not to the Word as the Word is
made flesh as ver 14. or as the Word is God manifest in the flesh as 1 Tim. 3. 16. or as the Word is in union with the humane nature according to his name Emmanuel Matth. 1. 23. Let the impartial and unprejudiced Reader consider what is said in every verse and I doubt not but he will finde it according to the report given as in the 2 verse it is said The same was in the beginning that is the same Word God distinct from the humanity and so it is in the verse following As in the 3. verse All things were made by him that is by the Word God in the 4. verse In him was life and the life was the light of men That is God the Word the Creator who gives life and light to all men according to that in Acts 17. 28 29. In him we live move and have our being and we are all his off-spring in the 5. verse And the light shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehended it not That is The Word God as it is explained in the 10. verse He was in the world and the world was made by him and the world knew him not Though the Word the Creator shined as light in the world and was not far from every one of us as the Apostle speaks Acts 17. 27. and had set up a Candle in them whereby the eternal power and Godhead might be known by the things that were made yet such was the darkness of men that they did not comprehend and acknowledge him In the 7. and 8. verses it 's said John was sent to bear witness of that light that is of the Word God to wit that God the Word was come to manifest himself in the flesh he bare witness that the light which was in the world and by whom the world was made and whom the world knew not was now come to appear in the flesh It 's true that John also bare witness of Christ in both natures as when the Word was made flesh verse 14. it 's said in the 15. verse John bare witness of him and afterward when he saw Jesus coming unto him he saith Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world verse 29. Where he speaks of him as the Word made flesh and Tabernacled amongst us But in the verses before mentioned he onely asserts and proves his Divinity In like manner are we to understand the 9 verse That was the true light that is the Word God the Creator and former of all things Isa 40. 28. was to wit in the beginning for thither the Verb in the Original in every verse doth carry us the true light not a borrowed or derived light but the fountain and original of all light according to that Scripture 1 Joh. 1. 5. God is light and in him is no darkness at all This I say is proper to the Creator who is the fountain of Life and Light to all beings according to their capacities whereas Christ as Mediator deriveth Light from the Father as he doth Life and Subsistance as he himself doth witness Joh. 6. 57. I live by the Father c. And thus we see who this true light is Viz. The Word God And hence it may be that the word Christ is not once named in any of the first 9. verses of the first of John but only the Word 2. How doth he lighten every man that cometh into the World The Word God or God the Word as Creator of all things doth lighten every man that cometh into the world by setting up in every man a Spirit by which he lives which is called the Candle of the Lord Prov. 20. 27. and by writing a Law in his heart of which Spirit and Law I have spoken before This is a true and faithful account of the Light that Lightens every man But doth not Christ say expresly Joh. 8. 12. I am the light of the World and is not the Word and the true light of whom John bare witness Christ That the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World is the Word as such I have already proved And further I say according to Joh. 1. 14. That the Word was made flesh and tabernacled amongst men and they beheld his glory the glory as of the onely begotten of the Father and being imbodied in flesh he is thenceforth and so considered called Christ the Lord or the Lords Christ Luke 2. 11 26. For unto us in born this day in the City of David a Saviour which is Christ the Lord. And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost that he should not see death before he had seen the Lords Christ And no otherwise doth he bear that name but as he is the Word made flesh to be seen and beleeved on it is not the Word alone nor the flesh alone but the Word and flesh in union that is called Christ Joh. 1. 41. We have found the Messias which is being interpreted the Christ And is a light to lighten the Gentiles Luk. 2. 26 32. And it was revealed unto him by the holy Ghost that he should not see death before he had seen the Lords Christ A light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of thy people Israel Till then there was no such thing as a Christ or a light to the Gentiles but only in a promise The Word being thus made flesh manifested and seen 1. Joh. 1. 2. brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel by his appearing 2 Tim. 1. 9 10. Who hath saved us and called us with an holy calling not according to our works but according to his own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ who hath abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel Now that purpose of grace and love which was in the Fathers bosom before the world began which was promised Gen. 3. 15. The seed of the woman shall break the head of the serpent and from that time believed and expected by all the faithful appears by this manifestation of God in the flesh Tit. 2. 11. For the grace of God that bringeth salvation to all men hath appeared And 3. 4. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared c. And thus is Christ said to come a light into the world not to lighten every man that comes into the world but onely those that believe on him according to that testimony Joh. 12. 46. I am come a light into the world that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness This also is that light mentioned Joh. 3. 19. And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather then light And Joh. 8. 12. I am the light of the world c. This Word made flesh is
Antichrist's strongest Hold overturned OR The Foundation of the Religion of the People called QUAKERS Bared and Razed In a DEBATE had with some of them in the Castle at Lancaster AND IN An Additional Account of the Light within Wherein is shewed 1. That their first Principle is a Lye 2. That their Christ is not the true Jesus 3. That their Idolatry is worse and more dangerous then Jeroboam's or the Papists 4. That their Principle denies the great mystery of godliness departs from the Faith and leads to give attendance to the doctrine of Daemons Here also is shewed the occasion of their Rise and Growth together with the right way of discovering their secret delusions Lastly the best things that the best of this people pretend to own are here mentioned and allowed Hereunto is annexed an APPENDIX Wherein their evil language is discovered and compared with the language of the false Prophets All which is published at the desire of certain friends some of whose Letters are prefixt for common benefit By J. W. 1 Tim. 4. 1. Now the Spirit speaketh expresly that in the later times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils 1 Ioh. 5. 21. Little children keep your selves from idols 2 Joh. 7. For many deceivers are entred into the world who confess not that Christ is come in the flesh this is a deceiver and an Antichrist London Printed for the Author in the year 1665. An ADVERTISEMENT To all the faithful followers of the Lamb in Lancashire in and about Manchester Warrington and Lancaster And to all in every place that love the Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity to whose view the following Discourse may come AS it was my desire and disposition during the time of my imprisonment amongst the people called Quakers to live peaceably and to avoid contests with them So when I was forced for truths sake to a debate with them and afterwards to give forth a relation thereof together with an account of the light within man there was not the least intention or inclination in me to commit my papers to the Press until many friends having perused them did as appears by the first letters prefixed to the following discourse with many arguments urge me to make them more publick Which thereupon I resolved speedily to do and to that end did review and transcribe them with some enlargement as they are hereafter in this book presented Afterwards it being suggested by some that it was not a season to print against this people being great sufferers lest it should adde affliction to their bonds I did thereupon lay aside my papers for divers months And was the more easily inclined thereto not simply because they are sufferers But 1. For that they which is much more the duty of others who owne the truth as it is in Jesus and that worship which is prescribed by himself do stand fast in the defence of their liberty publickly owning that worship which they judge though erroneously agreeable to truth notwithstanding any humane Law to the contrary And 2. That in respect of the powers imposing upon them without warrant from the Lord though in respect of the wrong they do to the man Christ Jesus to his Gospel and to their own souls they be far from innocencie they suffer as Innocents as if thus understood they do often truly call themselves And hence it is that in greatest probability the Laws made against them and their prosecutors have not hitherto had nor will hereafter have any better success then the persecutors of the Innocent in all ages have had whose violence was never blest to convert any from the errour of his way but hath always been an effectual means as to confirm and strengthen the persecuted in his way yea though a mistaken and erroneous way as is evident in this people at this day so to bring swift and inevitable destruction upon themselves Yet notwithstanding being again called upon and desired by divers to go on with this work I had these following Considerations encouraging thereto 1. Many judicious and sober persons who judge the work may be for common benefit do call for its publication 2. The discourse is not level'd against their persons nor against any appearance that is commendable in them but onely against their Errors and miscarriages Nor are those in power stir'd up against them but on the contrarie their violence is witnessed against 3. An endeavour to recover some out of the snare of the devil and to prevent the apostacy of others which are aymed at in this undertaking is such an absolute duty as may not be suspended out of fear that some who have the sword in their hand should take advantage thereby to abuse their power 4. By how much this people are carried out to suffer above many others and by this fair shew in the flesh are apt to glory in their way as the only way to life and that many unable or negligent in the tryal of spirits and principles are liable to be snared and taken by them by so much it seems more necessarie at this time to discover the sandie foundation upon which their whole building stands and how pernitious it will prove to their souls who build thereon that Sathans deep designe in drawing men thereto being unveiled poor weak and unstable souls may better discerne that their glorying in their sufferings yea in giving their bodies to be burned upon the account of such a foundation is vain 5. Lastly and especially in as much as the principle contended against doth not only deny the man Christ Jesus and make void his sufferings death and blood with their effects but that Satan hereby would dethrone him and by this most subtil way of changing himself into an Angel of light would get into the Temple of God and shew himself as God that he may be worshipped as God I account it my dutie what ever the effect may be to be found faithfull to my dear Head the Lord Jesus Christ in discovering according to the measure of light received from him this secret and last designe of his and his peoples grand adversarie to the end that he may through the blessing of the blessed and only Potentate upon these weak endeavours receive such a blow that neither he nor his ministers who be transformed as the ministers of righteousness may proceed any further Thus dear friends you have an account of the principal motives which after some delay have prevailed with me to present these Papers to publike view It 's probable the old enemy whose strong-hold is here undermined will rage yet more against me and be active in the spirits of some to follow me with such language as you may read in the Appendix but I matter not the judgement of mans day the Lord who searcheth the heart knows that the honour of his Name and the undeceiving and saving of precious souls is more to me then a name
foretold by John upon them denying not onely the doctrine of Christ but Christ himself to be come in the flesh under pretence of his being come in their flesh and have eminently manifested themselves to be the sons of Hymeneus that blasphemer who said the resurrection was past already overthrowing the faith of some which Hymenean doctrine was attested not many days since by some of their number to one of us in a Conference with them and that before several witnesses saying The dead bodies that lie in the graves are not to rise again neither are we to expect any other resurrection heaven hell judgement then what is within us and past upon us here To whom it was replied that then their faith and hope was vain and they were yet in their sins and in a damnable estate and why then did they suffer if the dead rise not and that such doctrine undeniably led to sensuality to eat drink and play c. wholly razing out all principles both of morality and Christianity which is well known to be their principle though the cunning among them subtilly gloss it over knowing what offence it generally gives Oh that the poor deluded sincere among them might see the gulph they are plunged into and that your endeavour might be blest to the opening their eyes and undeceiving them Surely if that one Scripture was weighed by them it might be of use That men may give their bodies to be burnt and all their goods to the poor and profit not and be but as sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal and that is the principle from which and the end whereto every work is done that renders it acceptable And Oh that this may be blest to keep all upright hearts from falling into this ditch It is the express word of our Lord Go not after them neither follow them Prov. 19. 27. Cease my son to hear the instruction that causeth to erre from the ways of knowledge Surely principles spirits and doctrines are to be weighed and tryed as well as conversation and them would these seeming Angels appear Devils for Satan can come forth as an angel of light But how do they rage and like the waves of the sea foaming out their own shame when brought to the Word for tryal which is no small discovery of their spirit this is one of the tryals God has suffered to come upon his people as Deut. 13. 3. to prove whether they will love the Lord their God with all their heart and all their soul How long hath the Pope by all his power and policie endeavoured to get the Bible from Professors and not prevailed but this spiritual Antichrist doth it speedily and effectually But let grace be magnified that keeps any out of their snares and let it be seriously laid to heart that so many are snared and taken in their net And lastly since Singularity and Conversation is so taking to propagate Errour and such damnable Errour too how should it provoke the children of Truth that prize and would promote it to press more after an excellent conversation that the poor world seeing their good works viz. the humility love patience meekness zeal courage temperance holiness wisdom gravity may glorifie their heavenly Father And let such a foolish people shame and provoke his people therein at this day Phil. 4. 8. and as you well observe let the good in them be owned and imitated and their evil detected and avoided And that the good Lord who has so far guided and blest you herein may still continue so to do to the advancement of his glory and furtherance of truth as you have designed and we heartily desire is and shall be the prayer of Your unworthy Brethren fellow●labourers and Companions with you in the Faith Kingdom and Patience of our Lord Jesus J. D. N. S. London this 10 day of the 1 month 1665 The Reader is desired before he peruse these books to amend with his pen these errors and mistakes of the Press smaller errors as of adding or substracting letters or mistaking the stops the sence will somwhat help him in PAge 14. line 30. after these words in that day add Neh. 9. 30. p. 17. l. 2. for u and nshaken read and unshaken p. 20. l. 3. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 25. l. 32. for adopted read adapted p. 26. l. 8 read a law p. 30 l. 32. for shall read should p. 31. l. 18. read that he is guiltie p. 40. l. 4. read all things are wrought p. 43. l. 2. add after these words the word was with God and the word was God p. 47. l. 20. for thankfulness read faithfulness p. 63. l. 4. read seriously consider To Randolph Hunter and Thomas Hardy Deputy-Gaolers of the Castle at Lancaster to be by them communica●ed to any who may desire satisfaction concerning the difference between the people called Quakers and J. W. Loving ●riends HAving peru●ed a Paper published and put into the hands of one or both of you by the Quakers so called touching a dispute between them and the Baptists at Lancaster Castle and finding it confused partial and in some passages untrue t●nding to the reproach of truth and the swallowing up the simple in errors for the vindication of the one and out of tender compassion towards the other I have given forth the following Relation whereby the sober and unbiassed Christian may perceive that I was provoked to the debate as I am to this account by the forementioned paper and the high boastings of some of this people since that meeting Though I have more to say in defence of the truth I plead for then was mentioned in that debate yet I only set down such Arguments as were then propounded though here more distinctly and fully then the confusion of that meeting would allow As for the detecting of their personal carriages I mention nothing but what was first publikely exprest or acted by them I the rather do it that they may consider and take shame to themselves if peradventure God may give them repentance and that others may be warned to take heed of that spirit that sends forth such bitter and unsavoury fruits And that the simple and tender-hearted among them may be reclaimed from the error of their way I have given an additional account of the Light in every man shewing according to my measure received from the Lord what it is and the utmost use of it with a particular explication of several Scriptures especially John 1. 9. Furthermore if any of them shall yet persist to maintain their errors here you will find an offer further to debate the difference betwixt us before any person in the Commission of Peace Lastly l●st any should account me an enemy to every thing this people hold and practice thereupon should trample upon that which is good and commendable together with their errors here is an account of several particulars allowable
ready to make good when we had debated the other which we were agreed upon as appeared by their own paper With much ado he was perswaded and I proceeded to proof premising first that the question was not Whether there be some light in every man that comes into the world nor Whether Christ doth lighten true believers with a saving light forasmuch as I denied not but did affirm That there was some light in every man that comes into the World and that true believers are lighted with a saving light but that which I had undertaken to prove by the Scriptures was That Christ doth not lighten every man that comes into the world with a saving light My first argument was laid down thus Christ lightneth no man with a saving light but by his Spirit But Christ doth not give his Spirit to every man that comes into the world Therefore he doth not lighten every man that comes into the world with a saving light The first proposition is clear from the great promise of the New Covenant Isa 59. 21. As for me this is my Covenant with them saith the Lord my spirit that is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy mouth shall not depart out of thy mouth nor out of the mouth of thy Seed nor out of the mouth of thy Seeds seed saith the Lord from henceforth for ever And from the promise of Christ John 14. 16 17. And I will pray the Father he shall give you another Comforter that he may abide with you for ever even the Spirit of truth c. And from the end of his giving the Spirit namely to be a Spirit of Wisdom and Revelation unto them for the acknowledgement of Christ to enlighten the eyes of their understanding that they might know what is the hope of his calling and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the Saints Eph. 1. 17 18. and to lead them into all truth John 16. 18. Howbeit when the Spirit of truth is come he will guide you into all truth Neither is there any other way by which Christ doth infuse a saving Light into any man but by his Spirit 1 Cor. 2. 10 11 12. But God hath revealed them unto us by his spirit for his spirit searcheth all things yea the deep things of God even so the things of God knoweth no man but the spirit of God Now we have received not the spirit of the world but the spirit which is of God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God It is onely by the unction of the Spirit received from Christ and no other way that men come to see and know these things 1 John 2. 20. But ye have an un●tion from the holy ●nd and ye know all things The assumption is proved from Jud. 19. Some are natural not having the spirit and from John 14. 17. Even the spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive because it seeth him not neither knoweth him but ye know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you And from Rom. 8. 9. But ye are not in the flesh but in the spirit if so be that the spirit of God dwell in you Now if any man have not the spirit of Christ he is none of his From all which Scriptures it is evident that some have not the Spirit of Christ Many other testimonies I had to produce for the further clearing of this proposition Viz. That Christ doth not give his Spirit to every man that comes into the world But here John Stubbs began to answer not denying either Proposition but as disliking the proof of the Assumption he spake to that Scripture Jude 19. and said Those that had not the Spirit were such as had gone in the way of Cain who had not obeyed but resisted the Spirit and so lost it Where by the way it may be observed That when a Scripture pincheth them they will not stick to give a meaning of it and such a one as may best suit their purpose But I replied That it could not be that those ever had the Spirit of Christ because they were 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sensual or natural for the same word is so rendered 1 Cor. 2. 14. who never had the Spirit but are opposed to the spiritual or regenerate man ver 15. And therefore it is said The natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned but the spiritual man discerneth all things Now the reason why one discerneth and the other cannot is because one viz. the spiritual man hath received the spirit the other viz. the nat●ral man hath not the spirit as appears 1 Cor. 2. 10 11 12. To this purpose as far as I can remember was my Reply And now notwithstanding our agreement that the debate might be orderly and without confusion and my desire that but one might speak at once great disorder began for whereas I expected to have reasoned with one or at least but one at once divers took liberty to speak one after another and sometimes many at once running from the matter in hand to other points and many asking new questions that it was hard for me to get convenient time to speak Besides they were so obstreporous especially George Fox and Margret Fell as many can testifie that they seemed to some when not able to elude the plain Scriptures brought for the proof of the Assertion yet resolved to word it for victory George Fox coming in about the time I was replying to John Stubbs gets up to a seat with one foot and to the table with the other whereas I and others were standing on the ground about the Table he did not at all take off the strength of those Scriptures alledged by me but his endeavour was to prove That every man that comes into the world hath the Spirit of Christ in the management whereof he used many under valuing and taunting expressions towards me and several times went from the Table with these words The least or meanest Babe will answer thee as if the presence of their Leader or rather Misleader was not needful and which is yet worse he did miserably wrest and abuse several Scriptures which he would have forced to have spoken in his dialect calling upon the people for attention as if his work had been more to preach to them than to answer my Arguments as many of the Scritures made use of by him as I ca● recollect I shall give an account of as also of my answers That which he would have made out was that every man that comes into the world even wicked men have the spirit of Christ one Screpture alledged by him or some other was 1. Cor. 12. 7. The manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withall My
light is Gods creature so also is internal light intellectuall light invisible light both in Angels and men the Angels those ministring spirits those flames of fire those star-like sparkles of light are Angels of light 2 Cor. 11. 14. yet they are but derivative lights lighted up by the Father of lights and spirits Ja 1. 17. Heb 12. 9. created by him by whom all things were made Col. 1. 16. For by him were all things created that are in Heaven and that are in Earth visible and invisible whether they be Thrones or Dominions or Principallities or Powers c. So the spirit of man is a light in man an invisible light called the candle of the Lord Pro. 20. 27. formed in man by the Lord Zach. 12. 1. of which more will be said afterwards 5. As all derivative lights which God hath made are subordinate to himself so are the inferior one to another the light in man when he was at his best was far inferior to the light of wisdome and knowledg in Angels Psal 8. 5. the light in Angels is far inferior to the light in the man Christ Jesus as he is the anointed Saviour and sustains the office of a Mediator he as such is the Sun-light far above all other lights lighted up by the Father of lights in him are hid all the treasures of wisdome and knowledge Col. 2. 3. These things being premised I come to shew what the light in every man is The light that is in man may be considered either 1. With respect to the will and aff●ctions and so it is that inward peace comfort joy and gladness which is opposed to the darkness of inward trouble griefe and sorrow and thus I find the Scripture frequently speaking of light and darkness metaphorically as Psal 97. 11. Light that is joy is sowne for the righteous and gladness for the upright in heart Isa 50. 10. He that walks in darkness and hath no light is one that hath no peace no comfor no consolation when the Jewes were delivered from Hamans conspiracie they had light and gladness joy and honour Esth 8. 16. so Job 18. 5. the light of the wicked that is their joy and comfort shall be put out the Church saith Micah 7. 8. When I sit in darkness the Lord will be a light unto me that is of joy and comfort Or secondly the light in every man may be considered and so it is spoken of in this question with respect to the intellectual powers the mind and understanding and thus it is the spirit of every man which is in him the Father of lights and spirits doth form a spirit in every man Zach. 12. 1. Who formeth the spirit of man in him or as it is Gen. 2. 7. The Lord breathed into man the breath of life and man became a living soul agreeable to that of the Apostle 1 Cor. 15. 45. The first man Adam was made a living soul so that without this spirit he could not be a man now this spirit in every man is the light in every man according to the testimony of that Scripture Prov. 20. 27. The spirit of a man is the candle of the Lord that is a candle which the Lord hath set up in him to see by whereof he is the Author and efficient cause Mark Reader this spirit or light in every man is not the Lord but a candle lighted up by the Lord this inter●al light in the little world man is no more the Lord then the external lights in the firmament are the Lord nay it is so farr from being the Lord the Sun light that it is lesser and inferior to the light in other creatures namely the Angels as was hinted before their light of wisdome reason and understanding doth farr exceed mans as the wise womans words to the King do import 2 Sam. 14. 20. and my Lord is wise according to the wisdom of an Angel of God to know all things that are in the earth and so do those words Rev. 4. 8. they are full of eyes within moreover as this light in every man is inferior to other lights so it is limited and ●●unded as to the use and exercise of it and cannot extend it self beyond its bounds as will appear by that which followes Again this spirit of a man or light in every man is the reason and the understanding of a man which in the state of mans created integritie was an ascendant light shining with pure Beams of light whereby he was ad●pted to know his God that made him and the end why he made him and how to answer that end that is to know him as God and glorifie him as God by yielding just and perfect obedience unto him this was the end of Gods making man that he should serve him as David argues Psal 95. 6. Oh come let us worship and how down let us kneel before the Lord our maker for he is our God c. And Psal 100. 3. Know ye the Lord he is God it is he that made us and not we our selves and the end of Gods making us exprest ver 2. Serve ye the Lord c. Of this light we may understand Christ to speak Math. 6. 23. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness that is if thy intellectual eye be blind how great is thy blindness Together with this light set up in man which shewed him his Creator and that he was to be served and how he was to be served it was necessary that Law should be implanted and written in his heart which Law is called light Prov. 6. 23. whereby the will and mind of his Creator was imprest upon him and made known unto him so that by the Spirit or light set up in him he could reflect upon this Law as a rule to every motion and operation and understand the reason and reasonableness of it yet here by the way it is to be observed that this Law is not God God is the Law-giver or the Law-writer whether in the fleshly Tables of the heart or in Tables of Stone but the Law giver or the Law writer is not the Law nor è Contra c. The Law was written in the natural mans heart to be a Rule according to which he was to obey and worship his God therefore it is not to be called God and worshiped as God its true that the Law as also the light as it is in God the fountain of Wisdom and Justice is God but the Law exhibited and in a manner ineffable and beyond expression imprest upon and formed in the heart of man is not God as the thing formed is not the former of the thing Now God saith of himself Isa 45. 7. I form the Light c. even as it is said of him Zach. 12. 1. Who formeth the spirit of man within him And Gen. 2. 7. And the Lord God formed
searching all the inward parts of the Bedy That is Whatsoever is most secret in our minds for as in the Belly natural conceptions are wrought and shaped so in the Mind Moral Conceptions of good or evil are wrought and shaped To this also agrees the saying of the Apostle 1 Cor. 2. 11. What man knoweth the things of a man save the spirit of a man whech is in him That is No other man knows what his own thoughts are or what they are working but his own understanding This Spirit of a man sees all the inward motions and outward actions of a man with a direct act of the understanding which is called Science and this simply considered makes not any thing that is discovered good or evil And this is the first use of the Light that is in every man viz. To make manifest the things of a man to himself Secondly This Light in every man is useful for direction in a double respect 1. As it looks upon the Law written in his heart it presents unto him the principles of Justice Righteousness Equity Soberness and other Moral Vertues and shews him what is right to be done according to that of the Apostle Rom. 2. 14. For when the Gentiles that is unconverted Gentiles which have not the Law do by nature the things contained in the Law these having not the Law that is formally published and preached unto them are a Law unto themselves Which shew the work of the Law written in their hearts their Conciences also bearing witness c. 2. As it looks upon the works of the Creation which are seen such clear beams of the God-head may be understood by the things that are made as might direct and induce man to glorifie God as God which the same Apostle Rom. 1. 18 19. makes the ground of the Righteousnesse of God in that dreadful Revelation of his Wrath against all ungodlinesse and unrighteousnesse of men who ever they be who hold the Truth in unrighteousnesse Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them or to them But how or where hath God manifested this to them The Apostle answers in the next words Verse 20. For the invisible things of him from the Creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his Eternal Power and God-head so that they are without excuse So that though every man have not a Light in him that is able to save him as will be further cleared hereafter yet he hath so much as will make him guilty and leave him without excuse Thirdly the light in every man is useful for conviction for though as was said before when it looks upon the things of a man with a direct act it makes nothing good or evil yet when it reflects upon the Law within which shall be the Rule of every motion and operation and compares the Action done with that Law the goodness or evilness of it is discovered according as it bears conformitie or non-conformitie thereunto and now Science or a bare knowing of an Action done is become Conscience for this reflex Act of the soul is called Conscience that is a knowing together with something else as when the understanding considers what is done in conjunction with a Law according to which it ought to be done thus the Spirit of a man which is the Candle of the Lord doth manifest the deed done and the Law discovers the quallitie of the Action according to that of the Apostle Rom. 3. 20. By the Law is the knowledg of sin were there not a Law there would be no Transgression and were not the Law looked upon and the Action compared with it there would be no such thing as Conscience but when deeds are laid before the Law as a Glasse shews not only the face but the spots that are in it so it will give a true report of their regularitie or irregularitie of their goodness or badness and suitable thereto will its Sentence be and Answerable to the Sentence the Law pronounceth will be the excusations or accusations of the person according to Rom. 2. 15. Which shew the work of the Law written in their hearts their Consciences also bearing witness and their thoughts mean while excusing or accusing one another Hence I say it comes to passe that when a man a meer natural man refuseth to follow this light of direction in doing what is right he is convinced in himself that he guiltie his Conscience troubleth him and judgeth him and is a Witnesse for the Lord that he is righteous when he judgeth according to that saying of the Apostle Rom. 3. 19. Now we know that what things soever the Law saith it saith to them who are under the Law that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guiltie before God or be subject to the judgment of God not having a word to object why Sentence should not be executed because they have Transgressed This light was that which manifested to Adam his Transgression convinced him of his guilt tormented him with fear and made him hide himself from the presence of the Lord Gen. 3. 10. I heard thy voice in the Garden and was afraid because I was naked and I hid my self and as it was then so it hath been ever since and will be still that if any man transgresse that Rule and Law that is written in the heart of every natural man there is a light set up in his conscience which will accuse him be a witness against him torment him and condemn him according to that testimonie before mentioned Rom. 2. 15. and 1 Joh. 3. 20. this manifested to Judas his sin and caused him to bring again the money and confess he had sinned And more then this is not needful by way of Answer to H. W. or any other person demanding where that witness is that doth condemn and what that was which caused Judas to bring again the money and to confess that he had sinned in that he had betrayed the innocent blood Fourthly there is yet a further use of this light common to all men it doth not only make manifest direct and convince but is able also to know much of God as a Creator and Law giver at least his eternal power and Godhead by the works of the Creation which are seen Rom. 1. 19 20. and to feel and seek after him as such Acts 17. 27 28. That they should seek the Lord if happily they might feel after him and find him though he be not farr from every one of us for in him we live move and have our being c. Thus for the light in all men or common to all men good and bad believers and Infidels may go serve for the fore mentioned excellent uses even since by trasgression man fell from his created integritie the sum whereof is briefly this Every man hath a light springing up with
the flesh God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin condemned sin in the flesh Secondly As the Light of which we speak cannot give nor lead to life so it knows not nor can make any discovery of the Redeemer who only can give life it is not acquainted with the precious Gospel-Mysterie hid in God it knows nothing of the good pleasure and purpose of Grace in God to restore faln man to life and communion with himself by Jesus Christ For the clearing whereof let it be observed That the Scripture doth abundantly testifie 1. That God purposed in himself from Eternity to restore man to life by Jesus Christ and no other way who therefore is most rightly callled the repairer of the breach the restore● of paths to dwell in Isa 58. 12. and the restorer of life Ruth 4. 15. And 2. That Christ only can give a new life and 3. That he onely is the way to the Father as may be seen in these few instances Eph. 1. 4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world 5. Having predéstinated us unto the Adoption of Children by Jesus Christ unto himself according to the good pleasure of his will Chap. 3. 11. According to the Eternal Purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord. That Christ only can give life see 1 Cor. 15. 45. And so it is written The first man Adam was made a living soul the last Adam was made a quickening spirit John 10. 20. I am come that they might have life and that they might have it more abundantly Ver. 28. I give unto thee Eternal life John 6. 57. He that eateth me even he shall live by me 1 Jo. 5. 12. He that hath the Son hath life c. And he also is the new and living way to the Father Heb. 10. 19 20. Having therefore Brethren boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus by a new and living way whic●h he hath consecrated for us through the vail that is to say his flesh None knows the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him Matth. 11. 27. Nor can any come to the Father but through this new and living way There 's no other entrance into the Paradise of God and to the Tree of Life but onely by Jesus Christ Rev. 2. 7. And therefore such Teachers as excluding the Mediator do affirm That as Adam fell from God by departing from the Light within him even so is he recovered and restored by returning and yeelding obedience to that Light within do lead people from Christ Jesus the true way to the Law that old deadly Gate through which it is impossible for any of the sons of Adam to enter and live They that would lead men unto God by a perfection of obedience in themselves and not by saith in a crucified Christ as the only way into the holiest instead of bringing them into Heaven to life and peace with God do shut up the Kingdom against them No man by the endeavours of the highest perfection of Reason or natural speculations of the Divinity will ever find accesse to God upon a Mercy-seat until he come to acknowledge the flesh or dead body of Christ to be the only way consecrated and prepared for him Heb. 10. 29 30. 2. That the Light that is in every man knows not this mysterie of Christ nor is able to make any discovery of it as is evident from Eph. 3. 9. where the holy Spirit testifies That it hath been hid in God from the beginning of the World And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the Mysterie which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God who created all things by Jesus Christ to the intent that now unto Principalities and Powers in heavenly places might be known by the Church the manifold wisdom of God Mark here it was hid from the beginning of the World so that neither all the Light in Adam in his innocency nor in the holy Angels knew it how much less could the Candle-light of mans Spirit since the fall by any force remaining in it enter into this great secret Doth not Christ himself tell us plainly That these things are hid from the wise Matth. 11. 25. I thank thee O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth because thou hast hid these things from the wise and the prudent and hast revealed them unto babes And doth not Paul say when he preached the Gospel That he spake the wisdom of God in a Mysterie which none of the Princes of this World knew 1 Cor. 2. 7 8. But we speak the Wisdom of God in a Mysterie even the hidden Mystetie which God ordained before the world to our glory which none of the Princes of this world knew for had they known it they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory And doth not the same Paul who was a learned man brought up at the feet of Gamaliel and instructed according to the perfect manner of the Law Acts 22. 3. And as touching the righteousnesse thereof blameless Phil. 3. 6. plainly declare That before his Conversion notwithstanding all his Light and Learning and all his care to follow that Light to the utmost for he had lived in all good Conscience before God until that day Acts 23. 1. he was ignorant of these things and utterly unable with all his natural and acquired parts to come to the knowledge of them Why else if it was not so did he so violently persecute the Saints as appears at large in Acts 8. 3. 9. 1. and 22. 5 9 19 20 and 26. 10 11. And how else could he think with himself That he ought to do many things contrary to the Name of Jesus of Nazareth Acts 26. 9. And kick against the pricks and persecute the Lord Jesus ver 14 15. But that the Light within which he was faithful to was unable to make known unto him the true Jesus and that it was so he himself doth yet further declare in those words Who are thou Lord Acts 26. 15. and in 1 Tim. 1. 13● where he confesseth he had been a blasphemer a persecutor and injurious yet had obtained mercy because he did it ignorantly in unbelief Thirdly As the Light in every man knows not the Redeemer who according to Gods Eternal Purpose is the Author of Eternal Salvation to all them that obey him Heb. 5. 9. So it is altogether unable to discover the way and means whereby the Redeemer and with him life and happiness is to be received and enjoyed that is it knows nothing of the Law of Faith mentioned by the Apostle Rom. 3. 27. The tenor whereof is this That whosoever believeth in Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life according to John 3 15 16. For God so loved the world that he gave his onely begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not
and others it is written as followeth Oh friend John Wigans it seems old Henry Woods and Thomas Curwens Pills which they gave thee to work out that old leaven that hath lien of long within thee but this hath wrought of the contrary part and hath caused thee to vomit and spue out upon a piece of paper and sent forth for the dogs to lick up and they being eager doth take so much ●f this they filthy spuing that it causeth them to vomit as thou doth A few days after this Appendix was given forth another Paper was delivered to me from the said William Holden which at his request is here inserted Oh friend John Wigan it seems old Henry Wood and Thomas Curwen Pills works with thee that thou purges upward and downward that thou hadst need of one to wipe thee for thou makes a pitiful stink it seems thou hast a full stomack and a full body that through thy vomiting and purging thou besmears every one that comes nigh thee one may follow thee by the smell and thou art more like a scolding woman then a man thou art more like a foul Dragon then to preach the Gospel thy language is more like that thou had been bred in Bedlam then amongst men thou art more like a rustical Door-keeper to tear off peoples coats off their backs then to preach the Word thou art more like a ranting Tavernfellow cocking up thy hat then a civil man And thy brother Price glorying in his own strength throwing the Ball following pleasures sporting in the day-time like a ranting fellow who art a busie-body in other mens matters But this is like Wigans and Prices worship thou art like unto the raging sea foaming out thy own shame casting up mire and dirt who art deceiving a company of silly simple people who cloathes them with thy old rotten rags and feeds them with thy husks One of the filthy dreamers and inchanters deceiving the people with thy sorcery like thy old brother Simon Magus yet have a feigned humility in will-worship puffing up thy fleshly minde And John dost thou not see thy self to be in an ugly dress and shape and image that thou art in and wilt thou not give over preaching and vomiting to people yea or long and deceiving their souls and poysoning them with thy Sorcery for thou stinks all the Country over and now wilt thou not go to Steeple-house for you are all one in the ground for thy Non-conformity will not cover thy hypocrisie and deceit We see thou hast Ishmaels bow and Cains club and Esaus sword and the clusters of Sodom and the grapes of Gomorrha and Babylons confusion and the Egyptians tongue and by thy side carries Judas bag and weareth the livery of Antichrist and art shod with deceit one of the fools whose heart is filled with laughter as thou did make thy self manifest in the Dispute and who is like a man with a scald head and like a horse with a gauld back going frenging up and down snuffing up thy nose like the wilde Asses colt grinning like a Dog teeth like a Lion a paw like a Bear and mouth like a Dragons beast poysoning the peoples souls with thy Sorcery which makes them to vomit and spue and drink up iniquity and vomit it out which the people licks up and vomits it out that they make such a stink And thou hast shamed Christianity thou art more like an Oyster-woman it is like thou knows Billings-gate thou art better selling Oysters then doctrine or preaching either And we hear thou hast vomited up more to adde to thy first vomit for thou stands in need of purging for thou hast a very unclean vessel which is full of the old man for thou might shame with thy filthy spuing if thou wert not very impudent And thou may put this to thy Appendix No more but love to thee poor captivated creature of Satan From thy friend William Houlden This Paper was delivered to me the 5 M. 15 d. 1664. The writings out of which these sayings are extracted with some others of like import now in my keeping will fill up three or neer four sheets close written wherein besides what is here mentioned is contained not a word tending to discover the unsoundness of my assertion or to enervate my Arguments but manifold untruths and light vain and scurrilous expressions altogether unbecoming Saints which though I can shew if required being too tedious for the Reader I have forborne to transcribe being also assured that the Lord will sweep away the refuge of lyes nor had I presented this to view but that they have first done it and that I finde it said that the folly of such shall be made manifest to all men 2. Tim. 3. 9. If instead of answering an assertion proved by plain Scripture it be not folly to call the assertion and proofs chaff dirt rabling stuff out of the botomless pit and filthy spewings c. And to curse the Author with the plagues of God and to tell him he is accursed an enemy of God an infidel a child of darkness c. I say if this be not folly let the wise judge I am sure the All-wise and righteous God will in due time judge between them and me in this matter and make it manifest that these fruits never came from his good pure holy Spirit Had it not bin a more easie and commendable work in one sheet plainly to have discovered and refuted my errors if any such be in my writings then to have filled three or four sheets with such stuff as this Surely a right Spirit would have led them that way But whosoever will engage against the Spirit of Antichrist especially to raise him out of his chief hold can expect no better measure while he is owned and submitted to in his deceits his carriage is like a Lamb but cross him and he is in a rage and speaks like a Drag●● Rev. 13. 11. While the false prophet hath hope to allure any and make merchandise of them his speech is fair and his feigned words are smoother then oyl 2 Pet. 2. 3. Prov. 5. 3. Like the adulterous woman Pro. 7. 21. But if he prevail not but be opposed and rejected then is he loud clamorous and stubborn Prov. 7. 11. and 9. 13. like Josephs Mistress when she could not prevail cries out and by false accusations causeth him to be cast into prison Gen. 39. And yet further besides all this and before my book is answered there are four of these people who severally write themselves Blacksmith Husbandman Laborer and Taylor who send forth into the town a new challenge to debate seventeen or eighteen points with me But why is not the Shoo-maker joyn'd with them What feeble shifts are these My assertion strikes at their very foundations And before they make that good they would run into other matters But though they seem to be weary of their cause I must hold them to
hand with a further discovery of the mystery of Iniquity In the mean time I shall finish this with a few Cautions to all ●●ts of people but more especially to young weak inquiring persons 1. Take heed of that Religion that begins with a lye for it is certainly a great judgment of God to be given up to believe a lye 2 Thess 2. 10 11. And 〈◊〉 the first step to this peoples Religion is an abominable lye and that every one is taught and required at his entrance into their religion to believe 〈◊〉 lye I have shewed in my former paper 2. Take heed of that spirit that denies either directly or consequentially Christ come in the flesh for that is the spirit of Antichrist 1 Joh. 4. 3. And he that biddeth such a one God speed is partaker of his evill deeds 2 Joh. 11. 3. Take heed of those persons how fair soever their pretences be who have no better weapons to defend their doctrine with then censures judgings threatenings curses for that was not the way of Christ and his Apostles And of those who can curse men and bless God with the same mouth for that ought not to be Jam. 3. 9 10. Eph. 5. 6. Let no man deceive you with vaine words FINIS 1 Tim. 3. 19 20. with 2 Tim. 2. 17 18. Luke 17. 23. 1 John 4. 1. The first occasion of the debate Their fir●● Letter An Answer to that first Letter 2 Tim. 2. 23. * Subjective His second Letter to me The Queries set upon the door An Answer to his second Letter Their carriages towards me in my Chamber My offer to meet them upon conditions Their agreement to mee● with some alterations of the conditions My assen●●o their alterations Our mee●●●ng disappointed by the Gaoler The meeting begins Some things prem●sed in order to the debate The Assertion to be proved ● Argum Joh. Stubbs Answers My reply to J. Stubbs The reason why a natural man cannot know nor discern the things of the Spirit is Because he hath not the Spirit The disorderly carriage of somo Who were obstreperous Geo. Fox asserts the Spirit of Christ to be in every man The first Scripture brought to prove his Assertion Answer The second Scripture brought to prove their Assertion Answer Not all Israel but such only as are born of the spirit have the 〈…〉 A third Scripture Answer A fourth Scripture Answer A fifth Scripture Answer A sixt Scripture Answer None of the Scriptures brought by them weaken my Arguments 2. Arg. 3 Arg. 4. Argum. 5. Arg. No Answers given to weaken my Arguments Their harsh censures wherwith the meeting was concluded The fruit of that spirit by which this People are led An Answer to their Censures Railing not to be rendered for railing Christ not the●e example Their lies and false accusations The chief occasion of their censure What they call the Light with in What is their first lye Three reasons of the additional discourse of the Light within Five particulars premised A twofold light within man What the light within is as it respects the affections What the Light in every man is as It respecteth the understanding The Spirit or lig●t in every man is no● the Lord. The light in every man is infer●or to the ●ight of Angels Vis ratiocinativa a 〈◊〉 facultas intelligendi What the Light in Adam before the fall could do There is a Law written in every mans heart This Law is not God Proved * Though the Hebrew words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 creavit formavit fec●t may have a different signification as appears in Isa 43. 7. in which verse they are all used yet this may be gathered from them all that the the thing created formed or made is not the Creator c. A summa●y account of the Light● in man before the fall The Light in man before the fall could not manifest a Redeemer The Light in man since the fall not such as it was before the fall The Light and Law remaining in faln man is sufficient to render God righteous when he iudgeth the disobedient A fourfold use of the Light in every man 1. To make manifest 2. To direct 3. To convince What Conscience is The knowledg of sin is by the Law What is the Lord● Witness in all men What it was that manifested to Adam and Juda● their transgression 4. To feel after God as Creator The su● of that which the Light in every man since the fal can do The Light in every man is a great an excellent and necessary Light 2. What it cannot do since the fall It is a n●tural light Perse or sensu diviso Subjective or sensu Composito In what respects the light within every man is Insufficient 1. It cannot bring any man to life The tenor of the Law of Works 2. It cannot discover the Redeemer it knows nothing of the Gospel Mystery Which is cleared in several particulars 3. It knows not the law of fa●th The tenor of the Law of Faith The law of Faith is not natural but supernatural 4. I● cannot convince a man that his not believing in Christ is a sin What light it is that can discover these great Mysteries It is the light of Christ Jesus as Mediator which irradiates the soul with the knowledge of Gospel Mysteries The great Agent by which Christ works is his Spirit None partakers of this Light but new Creatures The law of faith is writ●ten in the he●● of a new cre●●ture The Spirit himself dwe●● in the heart a new creatur● The Spirit is that witness that every b●●liever hath i● himself What the great mistake● of this people is 〈◊〉 worship the ●●●●t in every 〈◊〉 as the ●●deemer is 〈◊〉 worship an ●●ol ●●rist is the ●●ject of faith ●ho is a de●●iver and an ●●tichrist ●n Objection ●om Joh. 1. 9. ●●swered Two things to ●e considered ●oncerning ●●e true light The true l●●g is the Word God the Creator Not as God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 How the true ●ight lighteth ●very man that ●ometh into ●he World 2. Objection Answer The word made Flesh is only called Christ The Word made flesh doth only bring life and mortality to light The Word made flesh● doth only lig●●ten savingly those that blieve on hi● The Word made flesh is given for a Covenant The light g●●ven by the Word made flesh is far more excelle●● then the lig●● set up in ever●● man by the Word the Creator The misunder●standing of Joh. 1. 9. is from a neglect● of a distinct consideration of the Word and the Word made flesh ●●e necessity the fore●entioned ●●stinction ●●ared in ●ree parti●lars The opinion of this people is many waye● injurious to Jesus Christ and pernitious to the souls of Men. 1. It denies the great mystery of Godliness ●●d the Lord at bought ●●em It sets up an ●●ol ●●hat an I●●ol is 3. It opens a way to the Doctrine of Daemons and the worship of the Devil 4. It leads 〈◊〉 to slight 〈◊〉 Scripture 〈◊〉 rule and walk after t●● own lusts 5. It opens door to grea●● confusion Their Worship is Idolatry None but Idolaters admitted into the number of their Priends The manner of their Worship very confused as it was practised in their Meetings in Lancaster The names of their Assemblies members thereof Who are their ●●achers What doctrins are taught by them What books these doctrine are to be found in Their foundation being rased their whole building will fall This people are objects of pitie A further Debate offered with this people 〈◊〉 who teach●● that the ●●ht in every ●●n is Christ an Anti●●●ist ●●e reason ●●y the good ●●ings in this ●●ople are ●entioned ● plea for ●●od things ●ay cloak a ●esign against ●hrist ●Vhence their ●pinion hath ●ad its advan●age Antichrist most opposeth Christ when ●he appeareth most like him Such hath b● the method this people What hath rendred persons unable deal with them Whence so many have embraced the false doctrine and way The wrong way that ma●ny have take i●● to suppress their errours The right way to suppress their errours What things are commendable and t● be owned in them ●ow one may ●●me to dis●n their se●t deceipts Characters false Prophet in the last days The spirit of the Quakers and of the Dragon compared Such as oppose themselves should be answered in meekness The Quakers in stead of Answers return Invectives Calumniation no refutation The Quakers maledictions How many sheets they have filled with raylin● Language Wherein th● Quakers fol●● manifest A right Spir● would have led them a better way When Antichrist speaks like a Lamb and when lik● a Dragon The vaine shifts of persons maintai●ning Errour ●uch as say ●●ey are Ap●●●tles ought to ●●e tryed Preachers sent ●hough Me●hanicks are to ●e esteemed We must not ●id God speed ●o those that ●ring not doctrine of Christ When false Apostles are ●ryed they will be found ●ars A request to the Reader Queries to considered