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A30021 Battering rams against New Rome containing a farther discovery of the grand hypocrisie of the leaders and teachers of the people called Quakers : together with a publick challenge to meet G. Fox, G. Whitehead, W. Penn, and S. Cater to prove matters of fact : to which are added some queries propounded to their Protestant hearers who are not of G.F.'s party / by Francis Bugg. Bugg, Francis, 1640-1724? 1691 (1691) Wing B5366; ESTC R3241 31,746 32

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say you gave that Advice to O. C. upon his own Pretensions not that you believed it lawful I answer King William also pretends it lawful And since you then play'd the Hypocrite why not now And so ad infinitum The II. Instance of their Hypocrisie Letter to the Quakers One While against Another While for Kingly Government The Quakers Answer The First Part of this Charge is false Reply FOR a full Reply to this their Answer I refer the Reader to the Quakers unmask'd c. But so much thereof as may shew that the Charge is not false unless they be lately amended which if they be they ought to retract and condemn their former Writings * But if so then they would appear fallible Men and as such be mistaken and do some things whereof they ought to repent But this they cannot admit of for it would spoil the fashion of their Infallibility and marr the Beauty of their Perfection I shall recite out of a Paper writ to the Presbyterians by Geo. Fox a little before the Restoration so much as shall justifie the Charge against them c. See pag. 1. To all you that desire an Earthly King in England who profess your selves Christians whether Presbyterians or others Do not the Priests Presbyterians and others cry for an Earthly King And is not this the same Nature the Jews were in And do not they in this crucifie Jesus In another Paper of his pag. 15. The Word of the LORD GOD to you who are called Presbyterians You are wholly in Darkness given up to it and such would have a King to reign for there is that Nature that would have an Earthly King to reign in which Nature lodgeth the Murtherer said your chief Prophet Geo. Fox Thus have I given a short hint that you were once against Kingly Government being loth to mention over much in hopes as to that you are somewhat amended for you soon turn'd with the Times which shews your Inconstancy and that you are no more infallible than others which is the main Reason why I mention it And for Example see your Declaration you gave forth soon after the Restoration of King Charles II. saying We do declare that we do love own and honour the King and the present Government Again in another Book you say to the King If thou take some speedy Course for the repealing and making void those cruel Laws haply thou mayest be as Moses to stand in the Gap betwixt GOD and thy People c. Visitation to the King pag. 7. Again in the Trial of Geo. Fox 1664. pag. 8 10. he saith the Oath of Allegiance being tender'd him viz. If I could take any Oath at all upon any Occasion I should take this Oath for I honour all Men much more the King c. Now Geo. Fox Geo. Whitehead c. Where is the Constancy you boast of What is become of your Unchangeableness who one Year say and the next Year unsay for this to day and for that to morrow facing about like the Weather-cock as in the Case fore-mentioned And yet it is a common Maxim with you that if any write against you they write against Truth and if any see your Hypocrisie and leave and forsake you that they are gone from Truth and that if any come to you and join with you they then presently are reputed to own Truth c. I will conclude this Second Instance with the Words of W. Penn the Parenthesis excepted to Mr. Doelittle Mr. Manton Mr. Baxter and Eighteen more both Presbyterians and Independants in his Book entituled A just Rebuke to Twenty one Divines pag. 25. I could set out this part of your Story to the Life but at this time shall forbear n●● do I delight in this But since I must needs mention your Hypocrisie and your base Temporizing can I do it more candidly than in your own Words I wish there had been no need for it The III. Instance of their Hypocrisie Letter to the Quakers One While against Another while for Popery c. The Quakers Answer This is false c. Reply FAlse How can you say it is false and not blush Were you not against Popery when you wrote and said as followeth viz. To all you called Papists to your whole Body and Head at Rome the Word of the LORD reacheth Thus assuredly saith the LORD My Controversie is against you and My Vengeance and Wrath and Fury shall for ever World without End be upon you And though you pardon one another yet will not I pardon any One of you And says W. Penn in his Caveat against Popery Let the Papist first recant his voluminous Errours but above all let us have good Testimony of his hearty Sorrow for that Sea of Blood shed in England France Holland Ireland Spain Italy Savoy Switzerland and Germany of many Thousands of poor Protestants that for pure Conscience could not conform c. and to this purpose in many other Books But these Two Passages are enough to shew that you were once against Popery and that since you have been as much for the Papists See your Book Entituled A Defence of the D. of Buck. c. 1685. in Reply to a Church of Eng. Man who answered the said Book And your Book called A Reply to the Answer of the Man of no Name to the D. of Buck c. p. 22 23. Also another call'd A Persuasive to Moderation submitted to the late King 1686. And another of your Books called Good Advice to the Church of England c. Another Advice to the Protestant Dissenters shewing it their Interest to repeal the Tests By all which said Books and divers others spread up and down the Nation in the late King James's Reign were the Papists vindicated and contrary to your former Writings said to be loyal in England and Holland charging the Protestants with being the Cause of Burning poor Joan of Kent a famous Woman and that Merely as you said for Religion and by that Example Taught the Romanists c. A few more Instances I may recite and so refer the Reader to the Looking-Glass for the Quakers c. viz. The Church of England Man Where the said Books are more largely recited viz. I cannot admire his Wisdom Manners or Justice in his Reflexions upon the Roman Catholicks after the Assurance of so great an One of that Communion has given him and his Friends of their Security and Protection for the late occasion he takes let him be just and he will find the Excluders almost every Sunday at their Parish-Churches And if three quarters of them were to pray for their Lives it may be they could better read their Clergy * viz. Their Neck-Verse than say their Prayers without the publick Liturgy One thing I must say the Roman Catholicks have been Loyal in England and Holland It happens now that GOD and Caesar are both of a Mind which perhaps does not always fall out at least
your selves But let me a little examine this Charity of yours and see upon what Bottom it stands You say you have declared against Fighting and that the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow His Servants to fight and that you do not look upon it lawful for Christians in this Gospel-Dispensation to fight with a Carnal Weapon in any Case whatsoever But as for the Encouragement you have given others to fight you do that Ad Hominem Upon their own Pretensions viz. Oliver Cromwell his Army and Officers pretending it lawful to fight therefore and thereupon you encourage them to fight saying O. C. Thou shouldst have invited all Nations upon Earth that are against Popery to come in and join with thee against Popery for thou hast had Authority Stand to it lose it not nor abuse it nor let any other take thy Crown Let thy Soldiers go forth with a free willing Heart that thou mayest rock Nations as a Cradle c. Counsel and Advice rejected p. 36 37. Geo. Fox Also see Geo. Roff's Book entituled The Righteousness of GOD c. p. 11. a few Words to O. C. To thee Oliver Cromwel thus saith the LORD I have chosen thee amongst the Thousands of the Nations to execute My Wrath upon My Enemies and gave them to thy Sword with which I fought for the Zeal of My own Name and gave thee the Enemies of My own Seed to be a Curse and a Reproach for ever and made thee an Instrument against them And many have I cut down by My Sword in thy Hand that My Wrath might be executed upon them to the utmost Geo. Roff. What! Could you thus write and thus encourage O. C. his Army and Officers to fight and that from the Word of the LORD and at the same time believe it to be unlawful for Christians to fight with a Carnal Weapon in any Case whatsoever O gross Hypocrisie What! Does the Word of the LORD contradict the Kingdom of Christ Are they divided You say the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow His Servants to fight and you believe it utterly unlawful for Christians to fight yet you say to O. C. Let thy Soldiers go forth with a free willing Heart that thou mayest rock Nations as a Cradle Again you say Thus saith the Lord I have chosen thee O. C. amongst the Thousands of the Nations to execute My Wrath upon My Enemies and gave them to thy Sword with which I fought for the Zeal of My own Name c. Also in another Letter of Geo. Fox's to O. C. it is thus said O Oliver hadst thou been faithful and thunder'd down Deceit the Hollanders had been thy Subjects and Tributaries and Germany had given up to do thy Will and the Spaniard had quiver'd like a dry Leaf the King of France should have bowed under thee his Neck the Pope should have withered as in Winter the Turk in all his Fatness should have smoak'd Thou shouldst not have stood trifling about small things but minded the Work of the LORD As He began with thee at first sober Men and true Hearts took part with thee Oh! take heed and do not slight such lest thou weaken thy self and not disown such as the LORD hath owned Thy Dread is not yet all gone nor thy Amazement Arise and come forth for hadst thou been faithful thou shouldst have crumbled Nations to Dust c. Geo. Fox With much more to the same purpose I say What! Do you thus write thus encourage and thus stir up and rouse your then dear Friend O. C. his Army and Officers to that which you believe to be utterly unlawful Here is Deceit with a witness What! Did sober Men and true Hearts take part with O. C. and you advised him not to slight such nor discourage them from fighting and yet you say the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow of Fighting and you believe it unlawful to fight as aforesaid Here is Hocos Pocos indeed and such Legerdemain as I am sure your serious Geo. Whitehead as he would be esteemed never found in W. Rogers's Writings yea such Legerdemain as few Conjurers have the face to venture upon Here you have exceeded the whole Four Hundred of Ahab's False Prophets 1 King 22. for they prophesied falsly in saying to the King Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper for the LORD will deliver it into thy Hands c. yet all this while they did not believe it utterly unlawful for the Jews to fight In short You either believe it lawful to fight or you do Not If you do Not then did you greatly dissemble with your then dear Friend and noble Champion as you elsewhere call him If you Did then have you played the Hypocrites with your People and that greatly too for many Years in telling them 't is not lawful to fight and yet at the same time believe it lawful and encourage sober Men and true Hearts to fight and that from the Word of the LORD Surely I need go no farther to prove you guilty of as manifest Hypocrisie as the World can produce But for a Salvo you now tell us you gave this Advice Ad Hominem Upon their own Pretensions not that you either believed or thought it lawful to fight But then you should have been plain and sincere with O. C. c. and said We indeed stir you up to fight advise and counsel you to fight If after this their Hearers will go to Gaol before they will pay two Pence towards Drums and Colours or pay the Trained Soldiers their Wages I pity their wilful Blindness and Ignorance and that from the Word of the LORD c. But withal mark well what we have to say we do all this upon your own Pretensions You pretend it lawful to fight and thereupon we thus encourage you for to be plain with you we believe it utterly unlawful for you to fight at all with a Carnal Weapon for the Kingdom of Christ doth not allow of it but utterly forbids Fighting in any Case whatever Oh! Blush and be ashamed ye Hypocrites Yea be confounded for ever ye gross Dissemblers What! Did you give this Advice and this Counsel and that from the Word of the LORD to such a Practice and such a Work as you knew was not lawful So take it which way you will and it carries two Faces For if Fighting in any Case be unlawful as you seem sometimes to believe and to be sure you have made your Disciples so to believe it as that they are not only for the Doctrine of Non-Resistance but also for your Doctrine of Non-Assistance then you ought not to have advised others to Fighting Again If you believe it is lawful to fight then if you would be Constant as you would be thought to be why do not you advise King William to invite all Nations upon Earth that are against Popery to come and join with him against Popery that he may rock Ireland and France as a Cradle But you
Geo. Fox's Queries to the Doctors and Scholars of Europe by which thou maist see how learnedly George Fox Catechizes them I shall now only add a few of them as they lie scattered up and down the said Primer c. and so leave him in his Thicket of Brambles or confused Nonsense What is a Major What is a Minor What is Extraction What is Geometry What is a Point What is an Angle What is a Plain Angle What is an Obtuse Angle What is an Acute Angle What is Wolf-Madness What is Dog Madness What is Badger-Madness c. Having given this additional Hint of these mad distracted or distracting Queries I shall only add a few of his Manly Expressions in his Chalenge to to the Doctors to come out of their Holes and Dens to the end That he and the rest may come forth and draw their Weapons and shew their Cunning when they see how they are chalenged as they chalenged others c. See these Pages in the said Primer pag. 4 19 21 30 36 41 55. Where are these Words viz. These Queries are to call them out into the Field Let them come out now to little Children Little Davids are risen who have the Bags and the Sings and the Srones Ye that profess your selves to be Wise and Learned Men and Scholars and are Novices and Fools answer me Draw out your Weapon if you have any and answer me these things come out of your Holes do not Hip nor Skip from them Answer every word in particular for you have Tongue enough sometimes let us see now if it can wagg These are your Words to the Scholars c. Now if when you are call'd into the Field your selves and to come out of your Dens we shall see whether you can draw your Weapon whether you have the Bags the Sling and Stones you like Goliah boast of and whether he and you can so wagg your Tongue as to clear you from this Ninth Instance of Hypocrisie with which he and you stand charged The X. Instance of their Hypocrisie THis I know for a certain Truth that when they write the most notorious Lies and scandalous Defamations against such as they account their Adversaries and like the false Prophets of old cry Peace to the wicked and justifie the ungodly who put into their Mouths yet this they have the impudence to father upon the Spirit of the holy and just GOD Witness Geo. Whitehead's Book Stil'd Judgment fix'd c. And S. Cater's Narrative c. And therefore that I may not be like you in saying and not prove what I say to be true I do hereby chalenge George Fox Geo. Whitehead William Pen and Sam. Cater to meet me any day next March giving me a Month's Notice at any Publick House in Bishop-Stortford being about the half-way from my Habitation where I offer to prove the Truth of what you deny according to the Terms proposed in the foresaid Letter to the Quakers c. Now therefore if your Cause be good you Notable Champions come forth you that have chalenged all the Doctors Scholars and Professors in Europe come out of your Holes and Dens and Lurking-Places and meet me If you have the Bags and the Slings and the Stones you boast of come forth of your Holes and Dens and Lurking-Places yea come into the Field and draw your Weapons if you have any worth the drawing you know you have Tongue enough sometimes come let us see if it can wagg and whether you be able with all your Stones and Bags and Slings and Weapons you so much boast of to clear your selves from the guilt of Hypocrisie For The Day is come O Babylon that thou must be tried and thy Mask must be taken off thou Painted-Harlot Thou ●hast long deceived the Nations by thy fine out-side Deckings and Pharisaical Attire but thy Fruit makes thee manifest and by that we know thee to be the Harlot and not the Spouse of Christ nor true Bride Men do not gather Figs of Thorns nor Grapes of Thistles Mildenhall Novemb. 5th 1690. Francis Bugg Here follow Twenty four Queries propounded to your Protestant Hearers who have begun to throw off the Yoak which Geo. Fox G. W. c. have for many Years laden you with And first a few Words to you by way of Exhortation FRIENDS IT was Christ's frequent Counsel to his Disciples to beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees which said he is Hypocrisie I know no one thing that He took more care to preserve his Disciples from than that of Hypocrisie with which the Pharisees were very apt to leaven their Proselytes No doubt but much of their Doctrine was sound or else Christ would not have said They sate in Moses 's Seat Therefore whatsoever said he they bid you do that observe and do But mark do not after their Works for they say and do not That is to say they spake some sound Truths they carried it fair to their Proselytes they were very precise in washing the Cup and Platter in an Outside Righteousness to be seen of Men but inwardly they were rotten inwardly they were proud and disdained others who in GOD's Esteem stood justified rather than they And how far your Teachers are guilty of deep Hypocrisie I have in part discovered and doubt not but to make it yet more evident if they will meet me which if they refuse being four such Champions as they doubtless account themselves then I will appeal to you whether it be not a Token of their Guilt I mean such of you as still retain the Protestant Principles and are not of G. Fox his Party Query 1. Whether it was not great Hypocrisie in Geo. Fox to stir up counsel and encourage Oliver Cromwell his Officers and Army to fight with carnal Weapons when at the same time he did believe it utterly unlawful for a Christian Man so to do Answer Query 2. Whether it was not great Hypocrisie in Geo. Fox and others to vilifie bespatter and expose the Presbyterians Independents c. as being of fighting Principles and dangerous to the Government in K. C. II's time thereby rendring them obnoxious to Sufferings whenas they themselves by their Advice Counsel and Encouragement to Oliver Cromwel c. and that from the Word of the LORD were equally concerned in the same Cause and Quarrel Query 3. Do you believe that Arch-bishop Cranmer compelled Edward VI. to sign a Warrant to Burn poor Joan of Kent for Were Religion-sake and that by this their Practice they Taught the Roman Catholicks the way of Persecution Answer Query 4. If not Then Whether or no such of your Leaders as have so writ have not given away the Cause of Protestantism what in them lie and abetted vindicated and asserted the Popish Cause charging the Protestants with the original guilt of Persecution Answer Query 5. Whether Geo. Whitehead's calling the Doctrine of Doctor Robert Barns who suffered Martyrdom for the Cause of Christ Corrupt Doctrine tending to
practical Ranterism it self yea sordid Ranterism * See p 259. of G W's Judgment fix'd c against the 222 223 Pages of my Book De Chr. Lib. c. Which are the Words of Dr. Barns See the 298 Page in his Book entiluled Mens Constitutions not grounded on Scripture bind not the Conscience c. verbatim c. be not a sign that he is Popishly affected c. And whether G. W. do not herein appear like his Brother Deceased viz Bloody Bonner Who frequently charged the Martyrs with such Doctrine as I could shew were it pertinent I say in this do they not resemble each other as if they were Twins Query 6. Whether it be not as commendable to Address King William and Queen Mary who are by all Men acknowledged true Protestants as it was to Address the late King who acknowledged himself a Roman Catholick Query 7. Whether it be not as lawful for Book-sellers to sell Protestant-Books even such as discover the Hypocrisie of the Teachers and Leaders of Geo. Fox and his Party as for Benj. Clark their Book-seller to sell Play-Books Ballads Papist-Books Gypsy-Books yea and Ba Books Answer Query 8. Whether it be not great Hypocrisie to pretend to Preach Teach Suffer Write and Record Marriages and other things freely and under colour thereof condemn all other Churches and Societies as Hirelings Lovers of filthy Lucre Followers of Balaam for Reward c. and yet at the same time take Money Gifts and Rewards themselves for doing the same things c Answer Query 9. Whether it was not great Hypocrisie in Geo. Fox c. to write Queries to all Doctors and Scholars in Europe and yet when Queries are propounded to them they will not answer If they tell you they are as ready to Answer Queries as to ask then let them Answer my 15 Queries proposed in De Christ Lib. p. 72 to p. 78. p. 154 to p. 163. and in Paint Harlot p. 40 41. if they can Query 10. Whether it be not great Deceit for Men to write a Book and pretend a Concern of Conscience that they do it for GOD's Glory and as moved thereunto by the Eternal Spirit and yet to write such abominable Lies Slanders and scandalous Defamations as that they dare not or are ashamed to own their said Books Query 11. Whether it was not great Presumption in Geo. Fox and a Badge of intolerable Pride to put forth a Book with 2434 Queries in it when he himself cannot answer the odd 34 of them Query 12. Whether it was not great Impudene in Geo. Fox in his Battledoor to set his Hand and affix his Name to six or more Foreign Languages as Latine Greek Hebrew Italian Chaldee Syriack c. and yet understand not one of them Query 13. Whether it was not great Hypocrisie for Geo. Whitehead Stephen Crisp William Penn c. to make a Law or Edict at their General Meeting at London May 75. That their Hearers should constantly meet and not Decline Forsake nor Remove their Meetings like Worldly Fearful and Politick Professors and yet themselves refused to stand in a like suffering capacity relating to Sufferings with them Answer Query 14. Whether it be not great Hypocrisie in Geo. Fox and his Party to say That GOD respects neither Time Place nor Persons and thereupon pretend That for Conscience-sake they cannot give respect to their Superiours by putting off their Hats when at the same time they themselves compel their Apprentices to stand bare-headed before them * This Piece of Hypocrisie I testified against more than Fifteen Years since by a Letter to the then Yearly Meeting which was before S. Cater and I had any Controversie See my Book Entituled Innocency Vindicated and Envy rebuked c. p. 8. nay in their very Shops as if it were the Presence-Chamber Query 15. Did not Christ when he Taught his Disciples to pray Mat. 6.9 say After this manner therefore Pray ye Our Father c. And forgive us our Sins as we also forgive them that trespass against us Now such as do not pray after this manner are they not manifest Transgressors of this Precept of our LORD Jesus Christ and found in the steps of the proud Pharisee who thinks himself so righteous as that he need neither make confession of his Sins nor ask forgiveness for Christ Jesus sake in whose Name alone is Remission of Sins Query 16. If you grant that a neglect or Refusal of performing this part of Christian Duty be a sign of a Pharisaical Pride * See my Book Entituled The Quakers detected c. p. 12 13 14. Where I have enlarged upon this their grand Errour To what I have writ in that Book let the Reader observe W. Tindal who says in his Works entituled The Exposition of the 6th Chapter of Matthew pag. 222 223. Because he knoweth that our Nature is so weak and inclinable to Sin therefore he teacheth us daily to repent and daily to ask GOD Forgiveness Seeing He commandeth us to ask we may be bold so to do and to believe He will FORGIVE us No Man therefore needeth to despair I hope they will not rail on this blessed Martyr W. Tindal who suffered in the Flames as Geo. Whitehead did of the Doctrine of Dr. Rob. Barns who called it corrupt Doctrine tending to Ranterism yea sordid Ranterism then I do farther Query What is the Reason that Geo. Fox Geo. Whitehead and the rest of their Preachers in their publick Prayers in your Assembly do not pray after the manner that Christ hath prescribed though not in the very Form of Words yet after His Precept so as to confess their Sins to GOD and ask Forgiveness for Christ's sake which they do not Query 17. Seeing Edward Burroughs in his Epistle writ at Dublin To the Camp of the LORD in England p. 2. This is to go amongst Friends printed 1656. says You who are called Quakers above all the Families of the Earth The Tabernacle of GOD is with you and his Dwelling Place is among you And only among you is God known c. Now if so that GOD be known Only by you then the Query is Whether all that be called Quakers know the LORD And whether none but the Quakers know the Lord Answer to this c. The Answer to this Question will resolve Whether Geo. Fox who said in his Book The Great Mystery c. and Solomon Eccles his Affirmation in The Quaker's Challenge pag. 6. that you and you Only are GOD's People I say whether you all be as John Field one of your Preachers says you are of One Mind and Judgment in this and all other Matters Query 18. Whether there did not a strong Delusion enter many about the Year 1659. As that Geo. Fox was inspired with the Gift of Tongues and whether the recited Battledoor and Primer was not the Reason of that Opinion and if it come to be made appear as that it will if he will meet at