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A70985	The reign of the whore discovered and her ruine seen her merchants the priests examined, and with the Romish church (their elder sister) compared and found agreeable in many things ... : some queries also for those people that pay tythes, and priests that receive tythes, to consider and answer : and whereas their cry hath been loud against us the people of God called Quakers, that we are Jesuits, and Jesuitical, in tryal they are found false accusers, and of the same stock and generation themselves ... : also the sustance of a dispute which was the 15th day of the 2d month, called April 1659, at the Bridge-house in Southwark, between VVilliam Cooper, VVilliam VVhitaker, Thomas VVoodsworth, VVieles, Watkins, Cradicut, and others who profess themselves ministers of Christ, and some of the people call'd Quakers ... / written in that which gives to see over all the popish train ... W.S.	Smith, William, d. 1673.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Following letter containing the substance of the dispute.	1659 (1659)	Wing S204A; ESTC R33983	31,593	40

ruled them c. Ezech. ch. 34. There is much in these words and this hath been your work as fully and as truly as ever it was the false shepherds work in the time of the Prophet Ezechiel and now is the Lord manifestly appearing to be against ye shepherds and requiring his flock at your hand and is causing you to cease from feeding his flock and also from feeding your selves of his flock and delivering them from your mouths and gathering them from all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day according to Ezechiels Prophesie and this is the Lords own work in this his mighty day and all the hirelings and wolvish Shepherds in whole Christendome shall not be able to withstand and hinder the accomplishing and fulfilling of this the Lords purpose though Gog and Magog beast and false prophet ioyn together yet the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victorie and the Plagues upon the Seat of the great Whore shall be poured and the tongue of the Egyptian sea shall be dryed up and the waters which hath overflowed the highest Mountain shall abate and be dried up and the ship-masters the Parish-masters trade shall fail And thou O Mount Seir because thou hast had a perpetuall hatred and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by force of the Sword in the time of their calamity in the time that their iniquity had an end therefore as I live saith the Lord God I will prepare thee unto blood and blood shall pursue thee sith thou hash not-hated blood even blood shall pursue thee c. This is the portion of Cain who was a murtherer from the beginning whose sacrifice is the fruit of that ground which is cursed and which the dew of heaven never descended upon nor the blessing of the most High was ever appointed for And out of this ground out of this earth in which Cain is a Vagabond springeth and ariseth that spirit that can offer a Sacrifice and murther when he hath done and that this spirit is manifest in and among you the Nationall Priests is very evident and sufficiently proved by your own fruits acts and deeds within these few years yea and the cry of innocent blood hath entred the ears of the Lord against you even against you both Priests and people who notwithstanding your pretences of worshipping God have envy the root of murther in your hearts and violence in your hands and while you regard iniquity in your hearts your very prayers are abomination and stinks in the nostrils of the Lord 'T is the Whore and her Merchants that thirsteth after the blood of creatures under the notion of hereticks and that murthers men about matters of Religion the Christians and Christian Ministers never did so neither did they wrestle with flesh and blood but you and the papists are found wrestling with flesh and destroying mens lives and not saving them and you shall have your reward together according to your Work A few Queries for all that own Tythes due to the present Priesthood and for the Priesthood that takes them to consider and answer 1. TO vvhat end do you the people pay tithes and to vvhat end do you the Priests take tithes is your end according to the Lavv of God that gave the tithes to the first Priesthood then people vvhy do you not see them improved to that end and Priests vvhy do you not let them be improved to that end and vvas not the end vvherefore tithes vvas given that the Widovvs Strangers and Fatherlesse might be relieved and maintained by them as vvell as the Priests And had not the Widovvs Strangers and Fatherlesse as much Right to the Tithes as the Leviticall priests had and had they not their maintenance out of them so that there need not be a beggar among them Was not the priests gates to stand open that the Widovvs Strangers and Fatherlesse might be relieved 2. Did not that Lavv of God that gave Tithes to this end ordain a place to put them in a Store-house into vvhich Store-house the people brought them else they robbed God and vvere they not to be taken out of this Store-house as the Widows Strangers Fatherlesse and Priests had need of them and was not this Store-house called Gods House read Mal. 3. 10. How comes it to passe if not by the order of the Pope Bishops and Cardinals and the rest of the popish train that there is no Store-house in whole Christendome so called to put the Tithes of the Land in nor no Widows Strangers and Fatherless relieved according to their necessities out of the Tithes but pope chief Magistrate and priests have and would have them all brought into their own house and how many of their gates stand open that the Widows Strangers and Fatherlesse and poore might passe freely in and take part of the Tithes with them do they not more frequently lye begging at their gates when they are shut and lye about the Streets begging and crying for bread and at the Steeple-houses there is a hideous dolefull noise for bread many times was it so in the time of the Law which commanded Tithes from the people did not the Lord make the Tithes give the poore the Widows the Strangers the Fatherlesse and priests also enough and now people that pay Tithes and priests that receive Tithes whom do you imitate and follow if not the Popish train are not you unlike both Jews and Christians did the true Christians ever pay or receive Tithes 3. Is not this a monstrous Priesthood that hath rose up since the dayes of the Apostles who denied the first priesthood that devours and impropriates all the Tithes to themselves and will not allow the Poore the Widows Strangers and Fatherlesse any share with them of the Tithes though they may be ready to starve for vvant of food and Raiment is not this monstrous priesthood in Christendom vvho call themselves Ministers of the Gospel exceedingly stained and laden with the blood of the poor of the Widows of the Strangers and Fatherless And you the people how can you be clear in paying your tithes to such a priesthood that do not let their gates stand open nor have no Store-house nor that do not improve them to that end that they were improved to in the time of the Law are not all your Tithes given and received to a worse end notwithstanding you say you are Christians and live in the glorious day of the Gospel then they were given and received in the time of the Law How many thousands of poore of Widows Strangers of Fatherlesse and beggars are there in thy borders O Christendome which want relief which the Law of God that gave Tithes to the Priesthood which God ordained provided for by the Tithes that were brought into the Store-house Why must a greedy covetous proud priesthood that is not like the priesthood under the Law nor the Ministers of the Gospel swallow down and devour

THE Reign of the VVhore DISCOVERED And Her RVINE seen THis is a certain Truth revealed in the light and witnessed to by the Scriptures that the Whore the false Church hath long reigned in her fenced City which Cain the Vagabond and Murtherer built and long hath she been guarded and defended with Cain's Weapons carnal Weapons and long hath she sate as a queen seeing no sorrow and long hath her golden Cup passed up and down the Nations which is full of abominations of her Fornication whereby the Nations have been * corrupted and the Inhabitants of the Earth made drunk But now is the hour of her Judgement come and coming now is her skirts lifted up and her secret parts discovered and discovering and the Beast on whom she rode and rides is seen and his colour is known and her secret Chambers of Imagery is found out and her Sorceries and Witchcrafts are made manifest and many people on whom she s ate and over whom she reigned are redeemed from under her and reigns over her in Christ the Power of God which redeems and which preserves in the redemption Oh let the redeemed of the Lord praise his holy Name and walk to the praise and glory of his Grace for ever for the day is dawned wherein hypocrisie cannot stand nor hypocrites hide themselves and wherein fig-leaves cannot hide nor cover from the pure eye of the Lord God which runs to and fro through the Earth though they may be sowed together by such who have eaten of the choicest fruit the tree of knowledge of good and evil yeilds and by such who are called Orthodox men Learned men great Schollars Wise Disputants all is in valn their labour is little worth the Lord is come down to walk in the Garden and his Voice Where art thou is gone forth and now is the Lord come and coming to make inquisition for blood and to bring every man's Work to Judgement and to reward every man according to his Work And now ye Priests and Professors in Southwark especially who are called Presbyterians whose cry is very loud against us who are called Quakers and the noise among you is That we are the deceivers false prophets and wolves in sheeps clothing and that we deny the Scriptures and are Jesuits c. Answ. Must this be true because you say so And must the people believe you before you prove it Nay but you will be counted false accusers and fierce despisers of those that are good till you make it appear by better proofs then you could find to prove your selves Ministers of Christ at the late Dispute then you can find to quit your selves from being guilty of those things you charge us withall for indeed we count you guilty of the same things you accuse us for and ever shall unless you can clear your selves and convince us to the contrary for we see many signs marks and characters upon you and many practices among you which were never found upon nor among the true Ministers of Christ and that are not owned by the Scriptures and this hath been signified to you already at the late Dispute and in Writing also given into William Cooper's hands some Weeks since And also in a printed Paper titled The grounds and reasons why we deny the Teachers of the world Which hath been printed six years since and no Answer hath appeared from you the National Priests who are concerned therein And now seeing William Cooper and some others of your Brethren affirmed publikely that we the people called quakers are Jesuits and Jesuitical and proffered to prove their affirmation in the bitterness of their spirits therefore let us reason a little with you and prove and examine you that the people may see your Clothing or outside if not your inside to be Jesuitical at least and let us and all people know how you can quit your selves from being of that Popish Train and as for us let our integrity and innocency plead for us otherwise we shall say nothing for our selves for the Lord doth plead our cause Are not you like the Jesuits and Popish Priests First In your being made fit for your Call to your Ministry Secondly In your Call Thirdly in your going forth Fourthly In your Work called to Fifthly In your Maintenance in your Work Sixthly In your Doctrines Practices Places of Worship and manners in Worship If you say nay Make it appear not onely in Words but in Fruits not Fruits of Violence I do not mean but Fruits of the Spirit of God if you know it and answer First Are you not like the Jesuits and Popish Priests in preparing your selves and making your selves fit for your Call to your Ministry you profess Are you not prepared and fitted at those Schools and Colledges first ordained by the Pope Doth not learning some natural Languages and Arts as Logick and Rhetorick and such like make you fit for your Call And are not the Popish Priests and Jesuits made fit after this manner in such places and by such means for their Call Then are you nor like them in this thing And was ever any of the Ministers of Christ fitted and prepared after this manner that he sent forth Secondly Are you not called appointed and ordained by men to preach And do you not count that your Call if you have the approbation of some that are counted Orthodox men which have learned the natural Tongues and Arts that are taught in the Popish Schools and Colledges And are not the Popish Priests and Jesuits called and approved after this manner And are you not like them in this also Was ever Christ's Ministers called by man or approved by man Thirdly In your yoing forth to preach are you like the Ministers of Christ Do you go gorth freely and minister freely from City to City and Nation to Nation as the Ministers of Christ did Have you received freely Have not you bought what you have with money And do you not strive to get the best Market place you can to sit down into sell it again even at a deer rate And are not the Popish old Mas-houses your Market-places where you abide many times for term of life Are not you the creepers the Apostle spoke of that should creep into houses and lead silly Women captive laden with sin led aside with divers lusts ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth Are not all your followers such Doth not your fruits make you appear to be such house-creepers as were in the Apostles dayes Is not this the Popish Priests manner Do not they go forth in this way Are not you careless Watchmen and dreaming Prophets and idle Shepherds Do you not say we are Wolves And have we not had meetings several years in many of your Folds called parishes in over which you count your selves good Wattchmen and true Shepherds But when did either of you or any of you parish-Masters who would have others count

January and the twelfth Month February Now do you not prefer the Heathenish and Popish Traditions Rules Customs Manners and Writings before and above what is delivered prescribed and taught in the Writings of the holy men of God so that it is come to pass by your so doing that if people are brought to call daies and months and times and places and persons according as those did who had the spirit of God which the Scriptures teacheth and witnesseth unto I say When people are brought to this they become a hissing and a wonder among you and are counted nice and frivolous and unmannerly and when we speak and write of hours dayes and months as they are recorded in the Scripture people cannot tell what we mean nor how to understand us nor when such a time hour day or month is but will rather mock and jeer at first hour first day first month c. and will have no such reckoning of times in their temporal civil or spiritual Accompts these are your Auditors your Disciples or Schollars as you have learnt you teach as you the Priests are so are the people imitators of the Papists and Heathen in this as well as other things and the Christians life words manners and behaviour you are out of and strangers to and may we not justly with the Heathen and Papists compare you whose example you follow And then concerning the manner of your publike Divine Worship as you call it have you not this manner and custom as the first part of your Worship to sing David's Psalms in rime and meeter divised or turned thereinto by Poets or Musicianers as Thomas Sternhold and John Hopkins and others with apt Notes to sing them withall before your prayer and after your Prayer before your Sermon and after your Sermon of all the people together Is not this your own invention Was there any such manner of singing in the Church of Christ You say Let us sing to the praise and glory of God and you keep an Officer to read the Psalm to people which are some drunkards some covetous some proud some defrauders of their Brethren dissemblers double dealers some Adulterers and unclean persons some jesters and idle talkers some light and vain wild and wanton some scornful high-minded and mockers some disobedient to Parents unthankful and unholy and of rude unchristian behaviour Of such consisteth your Church and are not the Steeplehouse-singers such And can such persons sing to the praise and glory of God Or are they in a state and condition fit to sing at all Doth not weeping and howling mourning sorrow and lamentation and wo from the dreadful Lord God of Heaven and of Earth belong to such singers Singing with Grace in the heart unto the Lord we own but singing with wickedness with pride and covetousness in the heart we utterly deny Singing with the Spirit and with understanding we own but your singing by Letter with Musical Notes and Tunes customarily ignorantly without understanding we wholly disown and bear our testimony against it as abomination in the sight of the Lord and it was never ordained nor appointed in nor by the true Church but it hath been ordained and appointed by the false Church the Whore and her Merchants in the dark night of Apostacy since the dayes of the Apostles and since the true Church fled in to the Wilderness And is not this singing of David's Prayers Mournings Sighings Complainings and Cryes unto the Lord and his Praises Rejoicings and magnifying the Lord and such like conditions as David was in I say Is not your singing of these things like the Papists singing have you any more rule in the Scripture for your singing then the Papists have for their singing And hath it not been one of the Whores later invention and addition to your Worship even about the time of Queen Elizabeths reign in this Nation but the same pure eternal light which appeared in the hearts of some about the beginning of our English Wars and manifested much of the Popish Trumpery which was then in being of which quiristers and singing-boys in white Surplices was one I say the same pure eternal light hath manifested your singing and noise to be as abominable in the ears of the Lord as theirs and to be denyed and witnessed against for you have no more rule in the Scripture for your singing David's Prayers then the quiresters and singers then had to sing the Prayer which Christ taught his Disciples which they called Pater Noster Which of all you Mass-house Singers are or ever were what you sing as when you sing O Lord I am no● puft in mind and that your eys are not scornful Are you not of such a proud and hard heart and puft up mind and scornful eyes many of you that you will scarce look upon nor walk with nor relieve those that are poor though they be of your own Church Then do you not sing a lye in this And is that to the praise and glory of God Surely you dare not say that God is glorified with a noise of lyes not that David's Psalms are lyes but you being not in the same state condition and life that David was in they are lyes in your mouths David said Mine eys gush out with Rivers of water because they keep not thy law I am afflicted ready to dye from my youth up while I suffer thy terrors I am d●stracted I am like a Bottle in the smoak I am like an Owle in the desert I am like a Pellican in the Wilderness I am like a Sparrow alone upon the house top all my friends and acquaintance hath forsaken me This David said and you sing these words ignorantly customarily never witnessing the same state condition so they are lyes in your mouths and God is not glorified but dishonored by you in this part of your Worship and your singing and the Papists and quiristers and Surplice-boys singing is abomination alike in the sight of the Lord and in the sight of his servants who are redeemed from amongst you and from under the great Whore which sits upon the Waters but the Lord our God is taking her seat from under her and into the pit she with her golden Cup full of Sorceries Witchcrafts and Fornications shall fall and none shall be able to deliver her neither can she save her self nor those that hath been and still are made drunk with her Sorceries and deceiveable ways of unrighteousness of which this trick craft and art of singing is one James said Is any merry let him sing Psalms He wrote these words to Saints but hear what he wrote to such as you Cleanse your hands ye sinners and purifie your hearts ye double-minded be afflicted and mourn and weep let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy into heaviness Such as these hath no cause to be merry who are sinners whose hands are uncleansed and whose hearts are unpurified and whose minds are double And

whom you her Merchants have built your Ships and set up your Trade by the Authority of the Beast which rose out of the same place the Whore sate on He that hath Wisdom let him understand I say By the Authority of this Beast who hath seven heads ten horns ten Crowns upon his horns upon his heads the name of Blasphemy unto whom the Dragon gave his power have you and all Parish-Masters and others of the Whores choice Merchants in whole Christendom sate and advanced your Trade above and beyond all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World And this may appear plain to the view of all people if these few particulars following are considered First You have got a Market-place where none must sell any Wares but your selves though it be never so much better then yours neither must any come into your Market-place to give freely to poor people whose souls are ready to starve for want of the Bread of life notwithstanding they buy of your deceitful Wares Secondly You have had and some of your Brethren still have a compulsive Law to compel and constrain all people within such a compass or quarter to come to your Market-place and buy of you and none other Thirdly Whether those people within such a compass or quarter or parish come to your Market or no or receive any of your Merchandize notwithstanding you will make them pay as much as if they did or else you will take or cause to be taken from them violently it may be three four or five times as much as the price was you first set upon your Commodities Fourthly Though your Merchandize be never so deceitful and insufficient yet none must refuse them neither will you bate of your price and if any come to see the deceitfulness and insufficiency of what you sell at a very deer rate and declare against it that people might not be deceived and defrauded always with deceitful words and devillish Doctrines you wil sue such at the Law for slanderers and get one of the Beasts Horns that hath a Crown upon it to grant you 100. l. damage or some other punishment as whip or prison or banishment or life if ye can get it for the Whore loves blood and so doth her Merchants and children Fifthly Another thing that makes your Trade exceed all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World is That when poor people have bought your Merchandize and paid you or at least are liable to pay you you take them home again in your Pockets or Bibles or Note-Books and lay them up in your Ware-house to wit your Liberary and as you see occasion and opportunity you carry them to Market again and they wil yeild you as much as they did at the first and yet after you have sold your Imagery Work over and over you can trim it and dress it a little and put the title Doctor of Divinity to it or Batchellor of Divinity or Mr. William or Mr. John such a one Ministers of God's Word at such a Church in such a place and find a Chapman some Bookseller or Printer or other to give you money for it Much like this might be mentioned but this is sufficient to let all people which are not quite blind see wherein this whores Merchants trade exceeds all other Arts Crafts and Trades in the whole world And also the reason may here be seen wherefore these Parish-Masters and others of Mystery Babylons Merchants strives and petition that their trade may be upheld even in this Nation under this notion Propagate or hold up the Gospel when if they would speak as they mean it is thus Propagate hold up or maintain our Mothers Authority by which Authority we have had a good trade a great while and our profits hath been great and our incombs sure and let the Romish Churches our elder Sisters her Institutions Ordinations Customs Manners Practices and Places stand else we shal have no certain Trade for if we lose our Elder Sisters Law which gives us Tythes and that compels people to buy our Gospel we shal be undone peoples hearts are so hard they wil give us little freely though they have been and stil are our Auditors and we have taught them some ten some twenty thirty or forty years yet we are afraid if we lose our elder Sisters Law that those that have been our constant customers would hate us much of our price and those that do not like our Doctrine and Church-discipline and our chargeable Gospel will give us nothing at all is not this the very language of your hearts whose cry is Propagate the Gospel let that which searcheth your hearts and discerns the secret intents thereof the light of Christ in your Consciences answer for the Gospel is Christ the power of God which propagates or holds up all things and 't is ignorance and blasphemy to cry and petition to an arm of flesh to propagate this Gospel but 't is another Gospel that they who have brought it are accursed that wants propagating and this shall all your Merchants of Babylon know in the dreadfull day of the Lord our God when all the blood you have drunk and Tortures and Racks Whips and Prisons Stocks and Inquisitions and other carnal weapons you have used to propagate your Gospel shall rise up in Judgement against you then will ye cry to the Rocks and the Mountains to fall upon you to hide you from the Wrath of the Lamb And now is the wondrfull day at hand wherein the Wolves Bears and Lions shall be afraid and seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Lamb Consider this all ye hirelings that rend and tear and make a prey upon the innocent lambs of Christ for to serve your own bellies and covetous unchristian greedy desires how greatly do you dishonour the name of Christ in calling your selves his Ministers have not you and all your Brethren the Popish Christians in whole Christendome sent an ill savour throughout the Nations and Regions round about you yea and many of those you count heathens shal rise up in judgment against you even against you who have the sheeps cloathing the Prophets words Christs vvords the Apostles words but inwardly ravened from the Spirit of God in your selves and so have appeared devouring wolves and destroyers of the sheeps life scatterers of the flock of God hear the Word of the Lord by the mouth of his Prophet Ezekiel against such as you Wo be to the Shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves should not the shepherds feed the flocks ye eat the fat and ye cloth you with the wool ye kill them that are fed but ye feed not the flock the diseased haue ye not strengthened neither have ye healed that which was sick neither have ye bound up that which was broken neither have ye brought again that which was driven away neither have ye sought that which was lost but with force and with cruelty have ye