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A42137	A true and perfect relation of the whole transactions concerning the petition of the six counties of South-Wales, and the county of Monmouth, formerly presented to the Parliament of the Common-Wealth of England for a supply of Godly ministers, and an account of ecclesiasticall revenues therein with Parliaments resolves, and proceedings thereupon, now humbly represented to His Highnesse the Lord Protector's consideration / published by A.G.	Griffith, Alexander, d. 1690.	1654 (1654)	Wing G1989; ESTC R177698	38,108	69

raise the whole Revenue of the Sequestred Tithes of the seven Counties to but 9518 l. 5 s. 8 d. for the yeare 1650. And for the yeare 1651. but 10418 5 s. 2 d. And humbly conceive that more thereof could not be then made out of which there is paid to Ministers Schoole-masters and others according to the intent of the Act for Propagating of the Gospell in the yeare 1650 the sum of 7923 l. 13 s. 5 d. And for the yeare 1651 in part the sum of 5894 l. 9 s. 10 d. the remainder whereof being for the yeare 1650 the sum of 1594 l. 12 s. 3 d. and for the yeare 1651 4523 l. 15 s. 4 d resteth in the Tenants hands so that the Ministers Probationers are not paid up their full sailares for the yeare 1651. Nor some for the yeare 1650. And the Fifts and Contributions not fully knowne nor allowed Petitioners 4 Reply The Petitioners doe deny there are 478 Parishes impropriated c. unsequestred as by the Commissioners answer is aledged But acknowledge the Commissioners have been carefull in imploying Collectors Treasurers and other Agents in the respective Counties to let set receive and dispose of the Tythes and Premises who have since their imployments improved their own Estates so well that in so short a time many of them have become great purchasers And it appeares by the Commissioners owne Answer that they make accompt to the Parliament but for 19936 l. 10 s 10 d for the yeares 1650 and 1651 although the Petitioners doe affirme that the Tythes and Premises within the said 7 Counties are annually worth 20000 l. and have and doe hereby offer so much for the same and what hath beene paid out of the Premises to Ministers and Schoole-masters will more fully appeare by the Commissioners particular accompt which the Petitioners have not yet seene but pray a sight and Copy thereof and liberty to surcharge the same And for the sum of 1594 l. 12 s. 3 d for the yeare 1650. and 4523 l. 15 s. 4 d. for 1651. that resteth as they say in the Tenants hands in arreare The Petitioners doe averre that if any be unpaid it resteth in the hands of such as are friends to the Commissioners or their Agents who for reasons best knowne to themselves did not use their wonted rigidnesse in Collecting and Receiving the same as hath been shewne to others of further Relation who have beene forced to pay the treble values of their Tithes and how well the Commissioners have disposed of the vast revenue aforesaid may appeare by their Answer annexed wherein they complaine of want of monies to pay the Ministers approbationers who are not paid up their full Salaries for the yeare 1650. nor some for the yeare 1651. though on due examination it will appeare that some of the Itinerants have not above 10 or 20 l. per annum And the fifts and contributions not fully knowne or allowed as by the Commissioners Answer is ingeniously confessed Whereas one of the Commissioners Major Generall Harrison not long since openly confessed before your Honours that there was a Banke of money in South-wales And when the Fifts and Contributions are paid and allowed what will accrue to the State is left to your Honours consideration And what hope the Petitioners have of a future supply of Ministers and Schools-Masters for the 600 Parishes that are all destiture of Ministers according to the Commissioners promise in their precedent Answer Particular 2 when in this particular part of their Answer relating to accompts they complaine of wanting Monies to pay these few and inconsiderate number of Ministers and Schoole-Masters now imployed especially when the Fifts and Contributions are paid and allowed By all which it may appeare to this Honourable Committee the truth of the Petition in relation to the aforesaid Charge The Commissioners 5. Answer To say nothing of the 127 unejected we have taken care to disperse the Ministers above mentioned paid out of the Treasury over the Counties as equally and conveniently as wee might with due respect had to the carrying on the worke of God and the particular inclination of the Peoples spirits and through singular mercy to the Word of of God hath in these last yeares beene more frequently and with more successe preached then in many Ages before whereunto wee doubt not but those that have lately traveled through this poore Country will beare witnesse The Petitioners 5. Reply That they have so dispersed them that a man may ride 20 miles together on the Lords day and not finde one doore open supplied with a constant able godly Minister and how the Worke and Word of God hath beene propagated in those parts the two last yeares the Petitioners doe appeale to all indifferent unbiassed Men and especially to the Judges and other publique Officers who are and have been imployed by the State there and can give a further relation of the sad condition of those Countries and what rents divisions and disturbances of the publique peace have beene made in those parts since the Itinanaries were imployed there to the distraction of the minds and consciences of the people The Commissioners 6. Answer We have been very carefull that it might not be so but where it otherwise happened it was upon some of these insuing reasons 1. That most part of the yeare 1650. and in some places much of the yeare 1651. was spent and most of the profits raysed by the scandalous pretended Ministers before they were ejected 2. For better satisfaction of the Countrey and carrying on the Worke of the Lord without offence to the people we tooke order that the Sequestred Tythes c. should be let to the Parishioners that every man might enjoy what came from his owne Lands at somewhat a lower rate in case they would take it then to any particular Farmour 3. In some cases where the ejected Minister was much in debt and had a great family and no other Estate and had Fifts due to his Wife hee or some of them was admitted Tennant at somewhat an undervalue to answer these considerations 4. Vicaridges that were heretofore in respect of Easter-booke offering c. received of the Papists considerable are now little worth 5. The considerations had to Taxes Reparations and other incident charges besides the generall disgust against Tythes and the disturbance put upon our Countrey by malignants at home at the least Invasion of the Enemy and since by the promoters of the Petition by reason of all which wee have found it no small difficulty to bring them to the rate they are at The Petitioners 6. Reply 1. How carefull they have beene therein appeares by the particulars preferred to your Honours by the Petitioners which they are ready to prove who doe further affirme that a great number of the Ministers were ejected by the Committees of Sequestration in the respective Counties in the yeares 1647 1648. and part of 1649. which lay under Sequestration when the

accompted for to the State That for want of the due Execution of the said Act your Petitioners together with the said Inhabitants indure a Famine of the Word of God Children are not bred up in the Instruction and Information of the Lord The vast revenues of the outed Ministers are set out at extraordinary undervalues The Churches are in most places shut up and the Fabrick thereof ready to fall to the ground for want of Repaire Neither can the Inhabitants take notice of your Honours Acts Edicts and Proclamations wherein the publique Welfare the Liberty and Safety of their persons and estates are concerned for want of a fitting number of Teachers in each County to publish the same Your Petitioners therefore out of their duty to God the preservation of the Soules of the Inhabitants of their Countrey the Common-wealths interest and the earnest desire they have that your Honours most pious intentions expressed in the said Act may be accordingly observed Doe hold themselves bound in conscience out of Christian and Soule-saving necessity to present the premises to your Honours consideration Earnestly beseeching your Honours in pursuance of your wonted zeale and unfeigned Affection to Gods Glory and the Increase of true Religion Learning and Piety to take such a course for the future supply of their respective Counties with such convenient number of Godly able Teachers and for Provisions of Schooles and Nurseries of Learning and Religion there As also to call to account such persons as have received the profits of the said Tithes Church-livings and Prebends and the Sequestred Impropriations as to your Honours grave wisdom shall seeme meete And your Petitioners shall as in duty bound most humbly pray c. 2. The presenting thereof to the Parliament by Col. Freeman and his Speech At the presenting of the Petition Col. Freeman being come to the Bar did deliver at the request of the Petitioners the true sense and meaning of the Petition and Petitioners and the sum of their desires for a more cleer demonstration of their reall intentions therein in these words viz. Mr. SPEAKER IT was the desire of many well-affected Gentry and other Inhabitants of South-wales That I should present to your Grave consideration this Petition and withall humbly to beg you will be pleased to believe they desire not to bring in any scandalous ejected Ministers as some out of prejudice to the Petitioners do suggest but such as this Honorable House shall approve of and onely such shall be most gratefully entertained by them A Soule-saving necessity hath constrained them to this humble addresse who for above two yeares last past have lived in darknesse the light of the Gospell being almost extinguished shining onely in some few corners of the Country and ingrossed into particular distinct Congregations which are not above foure or five in most Counties in Southwales how foure or five Itineraryes can supply a whole County most of the Counties consisting of eighty or a hundred Parishes is humbly left to your Honours grave consideration The Inhabitants of Southwales are not onely destitute of a convenient number of Ministers but also of able Schoole-masters to the decay of Religion and Learning And neverthelesse the vast Revenue of the outed Clergy and all Sequestred Tythes Impropriations Gleabs and other Ecclesiasticall Livings amounting to a great value is received by persons deriving Authority from the Act of the 22 of Febru 1649 which was really intended by this Honourable House for the true propagation of the Gospell who do let and set out the same to Friends Creatures and Alliance of their owne at extraordinary undervalues to the prejudice of the State and the gaine of private persons Mr. Speaker This innocent Petition hath no designe in it against the Common wealth or any particular persons All that the Petitioners crave from this Honourable house is a convenient number of able godly Teachers and Schoole-Masters such as you shall approve of and an account for the profits and Revenues of the Churches received for these two last yeares As we ayme herein at the Glory of God and the publick good so let God blesse us and give a gracious issue to our humble desires The Petitioners being with-drawne the said Petition was read and taken into consideration and thereupon the Parliament passed the ensuing Resolves viz. 3. The Resolution of the Parliament The 10 of March 1651. 1. Resolved by the Parliament that it be referred to the Committee for plundred Ministers to examine this businesse and to state matters of fact and Report their opinions therein to the Parliament with power for the same Committee to send for Persons Papers and Witnesses 2. Resolved That the same Committee have power to examine upon Oath and to authorize such Commissioners in the Country as they shall thinke fit to examine witnesses upon Oath touching any the matters contained in the Petition and to returne those examinations to the said Committee 4. The tran●mitting of th● Petition an● Resolves to th● Committee fo● plundered M●nisters And the same day the said Petition and Resolves were transmitted to the Honorable Committee for plundred Ministers to whom the same was referred And it was then Ordered That the same should be taken into consideration on the 16 of March following on which day severall of the Petitioners with their Councellors and Solliciters did attend the said Committee with Commissioners Names 5 The Petitioners with Councell and Solliciters attend the Committee 16 Martii which they offered and prayed a Commission directed to those Gentlemen or such other persons as the Honorable Committee should thinke fit to examine the matters contained in the said Petition in the Countrey where the witnesses resided and matters of fact did rise according to the said Resolves of Parliament 6. Major Gen Harrison excepts against the generality of the Petition requiring a particular charge and the Sollicitors Answer At which time some of the Committee especially Major Generall Harrison one of the Commissioners for Propagation in Wales did insist that the Petition was to generall and demanded a particular charge Unto which the Petitioners Sollicitors gave answer that they were onely Sollicitors for the Petitioners and had no more yet in charge for their Clients the Petitioners then the preservation of the Petition and doubted not but to exhibite particulars if required and the Petitioners have convenient time for that purpose yet neverthelesse conceived that the Petitioners by the aforesaid Resolves of Parliament were not directed to exhibite any new charge or particulars other then the Petition it selfe which was all that was referred to the consideration of that Honourable Committee and all that the Petitioners were to prove and make good which they were ready to doe according to these Resolves which gave that Committee no power or direction as they humbly conceived to demand or receive any new charge or particulars 7. The Petitioners are denied a Commission A Letter to be first

with good security for payment thereof yet let out at 28 l. per ann The Impropriate Tythe of Llandilio Groseny late the Earl of Worcesters worth 100 l. per annum set out to Nich. Symons at 60 l. per annum although the Petitioners offered 95 l. per ann paying contributions The Tythe of Llanvetherine worth 100 l. per annum the Parishioners offered 80 l. per annum for it yet let out at 60 l. per annum to one Charles Godard his wife being Mr. Cradocks neere Kinswoman The Tythe of Gresmont worth 100 l. per annum and so offered by the Parishoners but let out to a brother of one of the Commissioners for Propagation at 10 l. per annum and so for the rest and residue for all Parishes within the said Counties being every where set out at undervalues Secondly the Petitioners will prove that the said Tythes and Premises have not been posted up and publickly exposed to Farme to the Parishoners and particular owners and others that would have given most for the same as is usuall in Improving and advancing other Rents and publique Revenues disposable by the Parliament and others Authorized by them 3. By letting the same to Friends Kindred Creatures and alliance of the Sequestrators and others intrusted with the letting thereof as some have been before particularly instanced by name and divers others that might be named The Seventh Generall HEAD 7. That for want of the due Execution of the said Act the Petitioners together with the Inhabitants endure a famine of the Word of God More Particularly 1. By the scarsity of the persons stipended allowed and appointed to preach and officiate 2. By allowing persons to preach and officiate that have borne actuall Armes against the Parliament and other ill affected persons to the Parliament viz. One Hugh Rogers of the County of Monmouth who hath been in actuall Armes against the Parliament and so continued whilest the late King had any visible strength or interest in the Nation to protect him and others of his Confederates of the same Principles The said Hugh Rogers being one that did formerly revile and vilify the Parliament and Army and all the godly party and their proceedings That Robert Prichard Parson of Neverne hath during the late Warrs deserted his habitation joyned with the enemy and acted with Captaine Edward Lloyd his Father in Law in Kidwelley Castle against the Parliament and as it is generally believed hath not yet subscribed the Ingagement yet allowed and beneficed That one Hughes of the County of Carmarthen being a person disaffected to the Parliament and present Government and one that joyned with the enemy in the late Rebellion of Poyer c. against the Parliament is permitted and allowed to preach and officiate and holds one or two Benefices whereas divers others that never bore Armes against the Parliament are ejected on very slender accompt particularly Mr Nicholson M. Evans Mr. Thomas Mr. Powell Mr. Hatley Doctor Edwards Mr. Griffith and others That one Thomas Price of the County of Cardigan was setled by the Bishop since the reducing of that County to the obedience of the Parl. and one that hath kept an Alehouse and a great frequenter of Alehouses 3. The Inhabitants endure a famine of the Word of God by reason severall other persons now imployed and stipended to preach and officiate that are deboyst drunken persons scandalous in their lives and conversations More particularly Thomas Field of the County of Penbroke John Phillips of the same David Evans of the County of Cardigan William Jones of the County of Brecon William Jones of the County of Monmouth and severall others that might be instanced insomuch that the Inhabitants are much discouraged to repaire to their meetings and exercises 4. The Inhabitants indure a Famine of the Word of God by reason of severall illiterate persons that are of different opinions that doe teach and officiate causing great rents and divisions among their Auditories and severall contestations and disturbances to the endangering the peace of the County More particularly At Myniddv-stayne on Munday in Easter week last at Bedways on Low-Easter Sunday at Swanzey at Merthir and other places at some of which differences and disturbances there have been severall swords drawne and some hurt and the Inhabitants put to a great feare lest these differences doe grow wider to the endangering of the publique peace of the Country By which means the Inhabitants are very much disheartned and discouraged from comming to their Meetings which are so remote and uncertaine that the aged lame impotent and poorer sort that are not provided with horses cannot and many thousands know not where or how to come to those places where they exercise their meetings being sometimes ten sometimes twenty miles and sometimes more from some parts of a County and one while in one County and another while in another County and but very few in any one place constant So that a man on a Lords day may ride twenty miles through a county and not see a Church doore open supplyed with a constant able godly Minister More particularly In the county of Brecon there are above fifty Parish Churches besides Chappels that for above this twelve moneeh have not been supplyed with a constant preaching Minister and at this very time on most Lords dayes there are above fifty Churches that are shut up and unsupplyed 5. That in the Parishes of Llanvihangell Nantbrane Llandilervane Tralloigne the Colledge of Brecon where formerly there was a Lecture once a fortnight and many other Churches the Word of God hath not been taught these two yeers That the Towne of Brecon being one of the chiefest Corporations and most populous in South wales the Towne of Crickhowell the Towne of the Hay and Buielt being all Market towns in the said County there have not been any one constant able Teacher or Minister for two yeers last past And divers other townes and parishes in South-wales which might be instanced whereby the people are much exposed and the greater opportunity offered them to profane the Lords day and spend the same in Alehouses and other leud places to the great dishonouring of God and endangering the soules and consciences of the Inhabitants thereof 6. That the persons named and intrusted for Approvers by the said Act of Febr. 1649. doe live very remote one from another some in North-wales some in South-wales and one of them in London who being also Itinerant Teachers which makes their residence unconstant they doe meet but seldome to receive entertain and incourage others to come in and offer themselves to supply the rooms of the ejected Ministers without whose approbation none can be admitted Whereas the Commissioners in order to ejecting of the Ministers and disposing of the Tythes and premisses doe sit frequently by five but by twelve for Appeals but very seldome The Eight generall Head 8. That Children are not bred and educated in the Instruction and information of the