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A83819 The report made to the honourable House of Commons, Decemb. 15. 1699. By the commissioners appointed to enquire into the forfeited estates of Ireland Ireland. Commissioners appointed to enquire into the Forfeited Estates. 1700 (1700) Wing E2704AC; ESTC R200771 32,947 56

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