on the behalf of the Truth for that therein is plainly demonstrated the Qualifications of such as Sathan hath made use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ SECT IX An Epistle evidencing the Qualications of such whom Sathan makes vse of to Rend and Divide the Church of Christ A Paper given forth by Edward Burroughs Anno 1661. Touching the Scattered in Israel wherein by a Parable is lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter dayes The Conclusion manifesting Several Passages very material and worthy observation as a further discovery of the Fruit and Cause of Division An Epistle prefixed to the Historical Manuscript mentioned in the Preface to this Treatise Evidencing the Qualifications of such whom Satan hath made use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ THe great Evidence of pure and undefiled Religion is a Conscience void of Offence towards God but the contrary is attended with Anxiety and Trouble He that in the Light of Christ Jesus inclines to preserve such a Conscience must not so value his Repute and Name amongst men as thereby to loose his Peace with the Lord. The consideration whereof hath abundantly satisfied us to encourage the preparing of this Treatise knowing that the Long-suffering Patience and Warnings of many Faithful Friends have had little place with many such persecuting Opposers of the Friends of Truth as are under the Profession thereof And therefore it may be Just with the Lord to suffer their long-suffering to have an End We also know that the Unsavoury Testimonies and Unchristian-like Discourses of many such in our Meetings for the Worship of God have been so frequently as well as publickly manifested as that 't is thereby known both to Professors and Prophane that the People called Quakers are now Divided by which 't is to be doubted that some may really conclude that though their Name is not extinguish't yet that the Nature Doctrine and Life which accompanied them at their first coming forth hath of late suffered Shipwrack This having been seriously pondered by us hath encreased the concern of our Consciences thus to appear that so as the Door hath thereby been so far shut in some parts of this Nation as that there hath been of late but few gathered into a Belief of the Everlasting Light so it may again in the Lords time be more opened by a clear Discovery that there is yet remaining a Remnant of that Ancient Stock who have been and our Faith in God is that they will be preserved in his Fear to persevere in his unchangable Way Light and Life of Truth unto the End That now the Reader may have some short Account of what the Lord hath manifested unto us on this Occasion we further thus Declare The Original Cause of Division and Seperation between the Members of any Society once at Unity in the Truth touching Religious Matters hath sprung from Satan The Persons in whom he hath chiefly appeared to accomplish the same have been such as usually appear more publick than other their Brethren and that under various Qualifications some have had Zeal without Knowledge and some have had Knowledge without Zeal and others have abounded in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal and none of these whilst exercised under these Qualifications have found Acceptance with the Lord And as Satan hath made use of Persons thus variously Qualified for the Preservation of his Kingdom so Christ Jesus whose Appearance hath been and is to destroy the Works of the Devil hath and doth make use of such Instruments in his Hand whom he hath furnished with true Zeal and that according to Knowledge for though all have not the like Degree of Knowledge yet that Zeal which is exercised according to the Measure of Knowledge given by God and received by Man finds Acceptance with the Lord of Life Now forasmuch as in this Treatise variety of Matters is Discourst wherein Divers Persons have been concerned many of whom were once at Unity which we are perswaded consisted in the Everlasting Truth and that every one of them might reasonably have been taken to be under one of the aforesaid Qualifications 't is with us at this time considering that the Tree is to be known by its Fruit to note a few things attending such respective Qualifications and that Chiefly for the sakes of such as have Zeal without Knowledge and so if the Lord make us Instruments in his Hand to open the understanding of any whereby they may come to have a true Savour of and Unity with those who have so received the Spirit as to be exercising themselves in true Zeal and that according to Knowledge we then shall have our End We now begin to speak of those who have Zeal without Knowledge Charity obliegeth us not to conclude that they design any thing more than to Live well that so they may dye well or any thing less than to appear what they know they are not but yet this we certainly know that albeit these have professed Christ Jesus to be their Foundation yet many of them for want of Knowledge have been building thereon the Wood the Hay and the Stubble of other Mens Inventions whereby they have suffered loss having exalted their own Righteousness thorough a Zealous Submission to other Mens Lines made ready to their Hands as if therein the Righteousness of Faith consisted or that it were lawful contrary to the Counsel of the Apostle to Glory in Men The Apostle Paul Rom 10.2 thus saith I bear them record they have a Zeal of God but not according to Knowledge and from the next Verse we learn that they were such as being ignorant of Gods Righteousness and going about to Establish their Own Righteousness have not Submitted themselves to the Righteousness of God This was spoken of Israel for their Information that they might not have a dependency on the Righteousness of the Law as if thorough the Strict Performance and Observations of Outward Things Establisht under the Law they should come to know the Salvation of God thorough Christ but rather that their Dependency should be upon the Righteousness which is of Faith which according to the Apostles Doctrine Vers the 8th of the same Chapter informs us thus The word is nigh thee even in thy mouth and in thy Heart that is the Word of Faith which we Preach So that by this Doctrine and what Elsewhere is written in other of his Epistles it appears that the Apostles care for Israel was that they might be brought off those Outward and carnal Ordinances which were Established for a season untill the time of reformation unto the Word nigh in the Heart which undoubtedly was and is no other than that Law which according to the word of the Lord by the mouth of the Prophet Jeremiah Jer. 31.33 Was to be put in their Inward Parts and written in their Hearts All which leads us to make this Observation that whosoever
Member or Members of the Church may be Witnesses thereof in their Own Hearts we are sorry for such weakness However it gives us occasion to add this Testimony That if we consult the Scriptures of Truth and Light of Christ we have no Ground to believe that under the dispensation of the second Covenant God hath or ever will move by his Spirit in any Mortal Man or Men to take upon him or them so to appoint certain dayes for others to meet upon to manage the outward Affairs of a Christian Society as that if any of that Society assent not thereto or endeavour to alter them to another day then such may be Justly censured as men of loose Spirits or led by a corrupt Spirit of Darkness for every Member of such a Society ought first to be fully perswaded in their own minds in all things relating to Faith or Discipline and not to be Judging one another about any thing wherein they may differ when the matter it self springs from a Conscientious Scruple and not Obstinacy contrary to Knowledge for from the Holy Scriptures we learn that that which is not of faith is sin and that there was the Day of Ignorance accompanyed some at which the Lord Winked And yet to our Greif we may say that such a Day of gloominess and thick Darkness hath overtaken some amongst the People called Quakers who appear zealous for some Outward Forms of Discipline which they as we take it foollishly imagin are establish't as by a Decree from Heaven that they seem to make void the Law of Charity and humane Society and as if their Religion were most Effectually demonstrated by appearing in such a kind of Spirit that Christ reproved in his Disciples when they asked him on this wise Wilt thou that we Command Fire to come down from Heaven and consume them meaning the Samaritans that did not receive Christ because his Face was as though he would go to Jerusalem To return again we farther say That whoever hath given Occasion for such an Objection to be raised as aforesaid 't is to be doubted it sprange from one that aspires to give Rules to others whilest he will not be subject to the same himself for if it were not so it s very probable we might have escaped the severe judgment of being guilty of Corahs sin and that only because we have endeavoured to convince some that that * Namely G. F. one Person intended in the Objection See the fourth and fifth Parts of the Christian-Quaker hath acted contrary to the outward Rules and Orders that he himself hath prescribed for others to walk by As to the word Establish't we further add That the word as used in the Objection is disowned by us for though the Children of God may be Instruments in the hand of the Lord to establish one another in the Faith of God's Elect yet 't is not in their power or of any one of them positively and without exception to establish what ought to be believed and practiced whether it respect Doctrine or Discipline and if any one or more have atempted so to do it may Justly be said of such that he or they have endeavoured to invade Christ's Prerogative Besides we observe That the Objection is made with respect to one man which to us seems as if in the Objectors sense that one man amongst the People called Quakers had Power given him of God to establish an Outward Form wherein all God's People ought to walk or else severely to be censured for Rebellion whether they see it their Christian Duty or not but this we deny as that which may Justly be termed an Abomination either so to endeavour or so to submit Secondly If we enquire what is establish't we know if any Answer be given to what by the Question we intend it will be on this wise Certain Meetings to be held by the People called Quakers or at least some of them on certain prefixt dayes But if we ask Who are the Meeters that are to make up the establish't Meetings none can give such a certain Discription as that the Meeters may be certainly known and therefore the use of the word Establish't applicable to outward Societies of People so uncertain to be known or outwardly describable seems to us vain and ridiculous By this discourse the Reader may gather that we are remote from owning those Meetings mentioned in the last Objection to be establish'd as a part of Christ's Government and as to their having any share as a Church in Church Government 't will be time enough for us to answer when any shall pretend that they have manifested that those uncertain qualifyed Persons usually Assembled in such Meetings were then Members of the Church of Christ and that as Members thereof they had right to stile themselves Church-Governours However we think it needful to signify That the chief Ends as we understood wherefore the said Meetings were assented to by many Friends were to relieve the Poor and to perform other necessary Services relating to the Truth and Friends concerned therein in which we thought our selves and doubtless all the Faithful with us Servants one unto another and not Masters Governours or Rulers over one another for that did not so much as enter into our Hearts But when we perceived that some Upstarts that to us seemed to love Preheminence as Diotrephes did lookt upon themselves as Somebody from their appearing and being encouraged to appear Members in such Meetings and to lay a stress on the prefixt Dayes for Meeting affirming that they were Established by the Power of God that Friends who were Heirs of the Power might come and take their Possessions therein a sort of Language not well understood by such as are Indued with Wisdom from above then many Friends began to startle thereat fearing that some through Weakness and Blind Zeal would Idolize the same and run into an indispensable Form and endeavour to bite and devour one another about Outward Things and so at length some Friends in Truth moved to alter the Days of Meeting in some places but others not assenting thereto Contention arose and a Fire hath been kindled about Church-Government at so high a rate as that Publick Meeting Places for the Worship of God have sometimes become meer Stages of Contention and other times the keeping on of Hats in Prayer by some whilest others have been uncovered hath become as an Ensign of divisions the knowledge whereof being no longer to be hid hath more vigorously occasioned the bringing forth of our Treatise Intituled the Christian-Quaker distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator in five Parts whereof this Treatise touching Government is one that so all may now know that Darkness is not so overshadowed but that the Lord hath preserved a Remnant amongst the People called Quakers that cannot bow their Knee to any Image or Image-Maker nor yet to acknowledge that Salvation is attainable through Faith in any other Name than
ninety four Miles to London out of all the throng of his other Occasions or if in London to wait for George Fox's coming thither when near it to ask him by Word of Mouth that which hath been before asked by Writing and no Answer given signifying the least assent to meet as hereafter will appear This indeed will be a very ready way to bring Outward Blasting according to the Prophesies of some of my Opposers if they could but create a Belief in me that on I. C's notice that G. F. will be in London I must then run after him and attend upon him on no other Foot but to know whether he will meet me without any assurance that he would be willing notwithstanding I have laboured and endeavoured so long before to obtain it and all in vain On this Occasion two things are worthy of some Enquiry First Whether George Fox is really so dignifyed as that 't is an Additional Errour in one whom he accounts a lost Sheep not to run after and wait on him If he were in reality the great Apostle of Christ as esteemed by some methinks he should have in his Remembrance the Parable spoken of by Christ touching leaving the Ninety nine Sheep to seek the One that was lost and so account it his Duty to seek after much more be ready to meet one accounted a Lost Sheep that hath been so desirous to meet him as I have been Secondly Whether James Claypoole be in reality so dignifyed as that on his Notice 't is the duty of a friend having a concern upon him relating to George Fox to ride ninety four miles or wait out of all his urging occasions many days to attend on G. F. When not willing to Answer the end to be waited for or else must incar such like Censures as are pat upon me for such an Omission I cannot but conclude that the Lord hath not so dignifyed either of them and that the Occasion of this Enquiry is the Fruit of Pride or a Gentilian sort of Lordship which the God of Heaven is determined to abase As to the report That I came up to the City of London to read a Charge behind George Fox's Back I thus Answer as 't is above represented the Action seems vile and unchristian-like because from that Representation it may be understood as if I would in a Secret way endeavour to back-bite and reproach George Fox and avoid all Occasions of meeting him Face to Face which I abhor and as on the one hand I so do so on the other hand I account it vile and unchristian-like to spread such a Representation of the matter and not declare the whole Truth and End for which my coming then was which if it had I might not then have had Occasion to have added this Postscript but since it is so I think it needful to inform the Reader of the very naked Truth from whence I take that evil Insinuation or partial Report to arise After I had by several Letters signifyed to G. F. divers Things touching which I expected Satisfaction from him and had sufficient ground to believe that he would not give it and having a Jealousie that many under the Name of Quakers looked upon him as Infallible I was constrained in my Spirit to prepare a Manuscript to discover his Errours out still with this reserve that if Friends would so assist as that I might have Justice among them in relation to him I might forbear Amongst other Places I came to London and spread the matter before James Claypoole and three other antient Friends reputed of the chiefest from whom I could have no hopes that a Meeting would be assented to on the Occasion desired to clear my self and therefore a concern of Conscience was upon me to write the ensuing Letter to James Claypoole and those other three Friends to give cover unto the ensuing Remonstrance to the Friends of London from both which the purpose of my Mind may be collected and whether or no I did not therein Act Christian-like and do as much as in me did lie with a clear Conscience that G. F's Nakedness might not be so publickly discovered as now it is William Rogers his Letter to James Claypoole and three other Antient Friends of London London 25th of 12th Month 1679. James Claypoole c. FRiends you may remember that when I parted with you Yesterday you were desirous to know where I would be in the Evening I told you to this purpose I knew not certainly but yet also acquainted you to this purpose That if you would appoint me to meet you I should readily assent thereto and though you did not appoint me yet I was in Expectation that you or at lest some of you might have had a Desire to speak with me again but understanding nothing thereof I am clear in my Spirit to depart the City and to let you have the Enclosed with an earnest breathing unto the Lord that he may direct you to make that use thereof as may tend to his Honour And that I may not be wanting to open unto you that Counsel which I believe is the Counsel of the Lord in this Case I thus say that my Perswasion is 't will tend most to the Honour of God not to keep the enclosed from the Knowledge of the Friends of the City and if you are not free to appoint a Meeting for the reading thereof then to consider of some other Way to communicate the same unto the Flock of God in this City For you know not but that a Word from the Lord may arise out of the Breast of a Babe or Suckling that may in this Case be piercing as a Dart to cause the High and Lofty to bow to Justice and no longer give Occasions of Jealousy that any one amongst those who profess the Truth should stand as an Infallible and Justifyed Person when such an One being charged with things reproachful to the Truth endeavours to evade the stroke of that Justice which in like Cases he hath prescribed for others Oh Friends In the presence of the Lord I affirm the Sins of G. Fox to have been notorious God in his Mercy hath manifested him to be a Fallible Man and according to a Gospel Method his Errours have been laid before him and he will not hear and now my Concern of Conscience is to cry aloud for justice and to signifie that I am constrained to detect him for his Evil and Errours by a printed Record unless some Expedient may be found agreeable to Truth to satisfy my Conscience otherwise And if you and others appear not to take Notice of the Call and Cry so as in Truth you and they ought then since he will not hear the word of Truth from my Pen let both you and all such unto whom this Cry and Call may or shall come stop your Mouthes from gainsaying my proceeding to clear my Conscience in the method that may seem to me most expedient
the contrary of what is intended for the PRESS I reasonably conclude that whatever is written in the above cited Sheets was there approved I should now proceed to cite a few Sentences out of it which amounts to a Publication of Divisions Page 4. The Lord hath suffered Blindness in part to happen to some through declining their First Love who came out amongst us and had a Part in the Belief and Discovery of the Way of Truth but now some only have the Sheeps-Cloathing and others have lost that too who through a prejudiced Mind are alienated from that Unity of Spirit and Bond of Peace in which we keep our wholsome Practices which we have received in the Unity and Order of the Gospel of Peace and Truth of Christ Jesus in the Fellowship of the Spirit in Bowels of Mercy being like-minded and of one accord in whatsoever things are True Just Honest and of good Report not that we should think of them only but be in the Practice of them as we are In the same Page it is further thus written But to our Burthen and Grief we find amongst some a Contrary Spirit that will not subject to Unity in wholsome Practices amongst us and that will needs Interpose to destroy Unity in some Places and obtrude it self to Confound our wholsome Order and Practices received amongst us as a Church and People and through this contrary Spirit and Prejudiced Mind the Accuser of the Brethren is broken out under a specious Pretence crying Liberty of Conscience Liberty of Conscience in Opposition to those needful convenient and wholsome Practices exercised amongst us in outward Things Also Page 5th thus This Note An accusing Spirit is now accounted a Confounder of Order by this Rule may not the Accusers of I. W. and I. S. be accounted Confounders of Order Accusing Opposing Dividing Spirit that is at work in this our Day to confound Order against the Peaceable Government of Christ amongst his People This Dividing Accusing Prejudicial Worker would introduce a Belief that an Apostacy is Entring and we are gone from the Beginning and First Principle and the Power lost and now Forms are setting up and Imposition on Consciences and the like and amongst whom is all this say they but amongst us who are in Unity of Spirit both in Faith and Practices and 't is amongst such that they imagine this Fearful Imposture and Arbitrary Rule Imposing Prescriptions and Laws on the tender Consciences of the Weak is now gotten up to exercise and so the Liberty of the tender Conscience is lost and you say they are intangled with the Yoak of Bondage to this Day And Page 10th thus Inasmuch as the envious Worker is suffered to proceed that would even race out the Foundation of Christ's Kingdom and Government under which his Subjects do only own their Christian-Freedom and true Liberty of Conscience c. In the 12th Page it is thus written And he meaning G. F. as by his Name before cited in the same Page appears was moved of the Lord to advise to a Womens Meeting c. and when Dear G. F. declared unto us what the Lord had made known unto him by his Power that there should be a Womens Meeting that so all the Sick the Weak the Widdow and the Fatherless should be Note here is no mention made of bringing Marriages before them minded and looked after in their Distresses And Page the 13th thus I have a word in my Heart to say unto you all Back-Sliders Obstructors Opposers and such as Countenance them secretly of this our heavenly Order of Men and Womens Meetings which the Lord by his Power hath set up and further thus You that have despised Dignities to speak Evil of the Servants of the Lord such that faithfully have laboured amongst us from the Beginning which the Lord hath found worthy of double Honour for I do know and the Lord hath sealed it in my Heart that that Spirit which hath opposed the Blessed Unity and Order of Truth in those our Mens and Womens Meetings shall never prosper nor they who are in it inwardly to God without Repentance And in the 15th Page 't is thus written And a true Sense hath been upon me of our Dear Friends up and down the Nation of their great Tryal and Exercise that hath been upon them because of this Wicked Dividing Spirit and especially in my Native Country viz. Willshire Thus much out of the aforesaid Sheets to manifest that this Treatise containes not the first printed and published Papers evidencing Divisions amongst the People called Quakers I am now sensible some may be apt thus to Object If the Meeting held on every Second Day whereof thou makes mention may be Justifyed in approving the aforesaid sheels to be printed yet it can be Plea to Justify thy Printing because thou hast descended more particularly to describe wherein the Difference doth consist and hast mentioned some Names of both Parties concerned in the Difference But in the aforecited Sheets we find but some Names of one Party only viz. G F. and the two Subscribers of the said two Sheets Answ I confess the latter Part of the Objection to be true but yet not sufficient for any to condemn my printing who may Justify the printing of the aforesaid Sheets For if the mentioning of one particular Matter wherein the Difference is reputed to consist even as in the said Sheets it is be according to Truth in one Party I know not why the mentioning of more may not be justifiable in the other Party and if it be justifyable to mention a Part of the Names of one Party concerned in the Difference why not also of the other And though in the aforesaid Sheets there is not so particular a Description wherein the Differences do consist as in this Treatise is mentioned Yet the understanding Reader may collect many things of importance from it and in particular that in the Sense of the Subscribers thereof and such as are at Unity with them who may reasonably be taken to be of one Party they are such as are for True Love Unity Order of the Gospel of Peace Fellowship of the Spirit Bowels of Mercy and things that are True Honest Just and a good Report c. And that the other Party whom they oppose are such as are for Disorder Confusion unto whom Blindness hath happened and that they are declined from their First Love having only the Sheeps-Cloathing of Prejudiced Minds Opposing Dividing Confounding Order against the Peaceable Government of Christ Envious Workers that would raze at the very Foundation of Christs Government Despisers of Dignity c. All which leads me to this Observation that since no matter of Fact is signifyed to evidence any under the Profession of Truth worthy of those General Reflections nor yet any thing referred to for Evidence I may reasonably conclude that the Intended Opposition to Christ's Government is in their Sense no other than a supposed Dislike
thereof as given to every man to profit withal to be that Law that Order that Rule of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus unto which every one respectively ought to be subject and yield Obedience not by Constraint but of a willing Mind and that for Conscience sake And as we were so subject we became Members of that Body against which the Gates of Hell never did or can prevail nor yet against any one Member thereof whilest abiding on the Rock Christ which is that Body the unworthy Eaters discerned not And thus for many Years it continued amongst the Friends of Truth or Children of Light for so were we called in the beginning magnifying by their Testimonies Obedience unto the Light of Christ Jesus which as the Scripture Testifies lighteth every man that cometh into the World as the only RVLE and GOVERNOVR in the Church of God unto which whosoever took heed and was obedient was esteemed to live under the Government of Christ knowing and believing that as Christ's coming is to be waited for in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men so there his Governments to be exalted and that whosoever should endeavour by outward Ways and Means to establish an Outward Government and Outward Rules Orders Laws or Prescriptions over the Heritage of God under the Notion or Pretence of Christ's Government would be found Invaders of Christs Prerogative and building the things which in the Light of Christ Jesus had been often testifyed against as more agreable to the First Covenant than the Second under which we are and touching which 't is thus said by the Prophet I will put my Law in their inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them saith the Lord. Jer. 31.33.34 In these things we with many others were at Unity We now recommend the same to every Conscience in the Sight of God whether this our Unity was not and yet is consisting with and agreeable to the unchangable Truth The next thing we are to treat upon is By what ways and means this Vnity came to be broken In order to the Discovery thereof we think it necessary to answer one Question which probably may be asked by some Persons who may not be sensible of such a Variance hinted at Viz. How doth it appear that there is such a great Difference and Dis-union To this we say The publick Testimoneis of many Persons in those publick Meetings for Worship where we have been conversant and that when many others not under the same Profession with us have been present against dark bad leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits with Application to such who are under the Profession of Truth and as we believe have born the Brunt and Heat of the Day and do yet continue unchanged as to the Principle of Truth and as blameless in Life and Conversation as ever they were in dayes past when their Opposers were at Unity with them so far as we know doth evidently demonstrate that the Breach is not only very wide but so publick as it cannot but concern some of the wrongfully scandalized Party whereof we are a part as Men and as Christians for our Reputations or at least the Reputation of some of us in both respects have been struck at to appear thus publick in the Vindication of Truth and therefore having long born the Reproach and Scandal of Scandalous Tongues hoping that those who have so persecuted us and others our Brethren for whose sakes we also are the more concerned would have come to see their Error and repented do now think our selves oblieged for the Honour of Truth and Information of all the Friends thereof as well as for the sakes of such as have been betrayed and led from the Simplicity of the Gospel of Christ to proceed to manifest for what Cause both we and many other our Brethren in the Vnchangable Truth are accounted such dark leavened rending dividing and seperate Spirits which being truly stated the impartial Reader will easily discover by what ways and means the aforesaid Unity came to be broken and at whose Door that will lie and which of those divided Parties do yet stand in and for the unchangable Truth That the aforesaid Cause wherefore we and others are accounted dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits may be the more clearly manifested 't is needfull to consider that some enquiring Reader may be ready to ask this Question What do you believe is meant by the words dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits To this we answer that many signal and outward Demonstrations both by Words and Writings too large here to insert have been given us to believe that the Publishers of such Reflecting Expressions on many ancient and honorable Brethren who we believe have approved themselves to this day Faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ do intend that if any one who hath been convinced of the Truth as preached amongst us in the beginning doth scruple though conscientiously to put in practise the Outward Orders and Prescriptions of some Person or Persons taking upon him or them to give forth the same such an one may justly be accounted of a dark leaven'd rending dividing or seperate Spirit And though of our certain knowledge we can declare that the understandings of many are so enlightned by the Truth as clearly to discern a deceivable Spirit entring in by this Door yet we are sensible that there are many Honest-hearted Friends who being ignorant of many things that are come to our Knowledge may have a Dread upon them lest they Err in taking part either with one or tother Party until they have further enquired and satisfyed themselves and these peradventure may be ready thus to object and tell us Objection That they are informed that some of those whom we term some Persons taking upon them to give forth outward Orders and Priscriptions are such as usually frequent the General Meeting and have been ancient Labourers in the Gospel and have been Instruments to gather us from the Lo henes and the Lo theres to follow that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner and that the General Meeting is an Established Meeting and that they have Power to Command Govern and Rule over others and that 't is the Duty of others to Obey for we find as they may say Robert Barclay in his Book of Government which Friends ought not to Judge because 't was approved by the Second Days Meeting in London which is a Meeting of Ministring Friends to inform us Page 27 28. That the Apostles and Primitive Christians practised Order and Government in the Church that some did appoint and ordain certain things condemn and approve certain Practices as well as Doctrines by the Spirit of God that there lay an Obligation in point of Duty
not agreeable to the Second Covenant to expect that any one should be ordained of God to be amongst the Children of Light like unto Moses save Christ Jesus our Lord and Master who by his Spiritual Appearance in us is become our Leader and Lawgiver and therefore we have no Ground to believe that any one Mortal Man ought to assume that place amongst the Children of Light at this Day as Moses by the Appointment of God did amongst the Children of Israel in his Day especially if we do but consider that the Promise of the Lord through his Prophet Jeremiah Jer. 31.33 34. with relation to that Time and dispensation of the New Covenant under which we are was on this wise I will put my Law in their Inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them saith the Lord. SECT III. An Answer to the Second Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That Monthly and Quarterly Meetings are called the Church and ought to be submitted to T Is well remembred that that one Man G. F. went some years past into many parts of this Nation advising Friends to hold such Meetings viz. Monthly and Quarterly and in many places his Counsel was readily embraced but for our parts we understood not at that day that it was designed by him or any else that those Meetings should not only be accounted the Church but also such as professed the Truth ought to believe as this Church believes had he so exprest himself Testimonies would have arisen as a Flood against such Darkness for this would have plainly appeared to us to have opened a Door whereby that Babylonish Rubbish which we had been long testifying against might have been exalted in one day And to be very plain we cannot but now declare that we are fully satisfied in our Consciences that by this very Door a Body of Strife Contention Emulation Malice and Envy together with a Rending Dividing Seperate Spirit from the Truth is entred amongst many hundreds who before walked together with us in an Heavenly Union and Fellowship in the Life of Righteousness which doubtless may if it hath not already occasion many Honest Simple-hearted Friends thus in their Hearts to say Where are the People whom we shall now follow But if such retire into the Sanctuary of the Lord there in stilness to wait what God will say they will undoubtedly have this Answer You have a Teacher within you which cannot be removed into a Corner follow that Teacher lest peradventer your Feet do slip by going from your Inward Guide and following the Footsteps and Dictates of Man But to return 'T is now our Concern as to the second Position thus further to declare That whosoever hath or shall testifie that all those Meetings as usually held were the Church of God hath and will appear to be such as know not whereof they affirm for such a Testimony carries with it neither inward nor outward Evidence though we dare not conclude that none in those Meetings were Members of the Church for the Church of God consists properly of such as are by one Spirit baptized into one Body 1 Cor. 12.13 and so are in the Possession as well as Profession of Truth But yet whoever they were that did but so much as profess the Truth were admitted to be Members of such Meetings whilest they appeared in the outward Form thereof and were not then of Scandalous Conversations All which might appear in such as were far remote from witnessing the Circumcision of the Heart and the Answer of a good Conscience towards God which must be witnessed as the proper Product of the Baptism of the Spirit before a Possession of the Truth be known And whether Mens Meetings have not often consisted of such Members and are like so to do whilest the Door is open for any under the aforesaid Qualifications to sit there as it yet is we recommend to the Serious Consideration of the Impartial Readers and if so we desire them further to weigh and Consider First Whether it can be agreeable to the Truth to account every thing acted and done by every such Meeting to be the Product of the Church of Christ and accordingly to be submitted to Secondly Whether the Judging of some conscientiously refusing to submit to be dark leavened rending dividing or seperate Spirits because they refuse be not the fruit of that Spirit that would remove us from that Teacher that cannot be removed into a Corner to follow the Dictates of Fallible Men. Thirdly Whether a Plea for Obedience to the Orders of such Meetings from Persons Conscientiously Refusing to Obey hath not a tendency to Justify Usurpation since they have never evidenced to the Consciences of those from whom they have seemed to expect Obedience any other Call to that Service than their own Fourthly Whether a Plea for such Meetings to Govern in matters relating to Conscience hath not a tendency to Justify Confusion since according to the reputed Order of such Meetings None that are to be Ruled are excluded from being Rulers Let those who cannot believe this our last Assertion peruse Robert Barclay's Book of Government approved by such as have been accounted Ministring Friends at the second Days Meeting in London wherein 't is said Page 33. We are not so foolish as to concern our selves with those who are not of us None of which are according to the Import of the said Book of Government as we take it excluded from such Meetings nor yet to give Judgment therein witness Page 79 and 82. of the said book and since we are now treating of those Meetings we are not without a sense but that some may be ready thus to query viz. What Order is either prescribed or used whereby the sense of such Meetings is collected To this we say An eminent Person professing Truth being at Bristol did take occasion to signify at a Mens-Meeting held in that City to this effect That in London and other parts of this Nation where such Meetings were usually held the sense of the generallity hath been taken for the sense of such Meetings Comparing this with this Doctrine frequently of late publisht amongst us That the Apostacy shall never enter the generality more doth give us Just occasion to be Jealous that our opposers for the carrying on of their designs against us have contrived this method of carrying all things by the generality or major number of voices which Limitation we know hath been heretofore and by the faithfull to this day utterly disowned as contrary to the Truth and also by the approvers of R. B's Book of Government as in Page 81. and though the counsel of that one man who first advised to the aforesaid Meetings in some parts was
Spiritual Guide and Teacher which is infailible and cannot be removed into a Corner with confidence then may we conclude that none such will ever more boast of the possession which they have taken as Heirs of the Gospel with respect to things that are without Secondly As to this part of the aforesaid Objection viz. that nothing but Dryness Deadness and Barrenness appears in those who are opposed by such with whom thou art at Unity we say This seems not strange unto us for the Apostle thus Testifies We are unto God a sweet Savour of Christ in them that are saved and in them that perish to the one we are the Savour of Death unto Death and to the other the Savour of Life unto Life This give us occasion to put every one that has or may Judge the sound form of words to be Deadness Dryness Barrenness especially when Springing from such whom thou hast known to be in the Life upon this search is not the reason thereof because I am watching for evil and have let in a Spirit of Prejudice believing an evil Report when perhaps it may not be Truth If this be thy State we must plainly tell thee they are the very Tokens of a Perishing Condition and then though it be the Word of Life that is Preached yet it can be no other according to the Testimony of the Apostle but the Savour of Death unto thee Besides we have this further Observation to make that some at least of those thus Testified against as Dead Dry and Barren are chiefly such unto whom God hath given a Portion of Understanding above many of their Brethren and have and yet do as far as ever we know appear Sound in Doctrine and as blameless in Life and Conversation as any friends we have ever known and so cannot run with the Current of the Times we desire therefore that every one of the Opposers of or Judges over such will yet more thoroughly search their own Consciences and in a Godly Jealousy over themselves put these queries unto their own hearts and try things in the equal ballance Have not I many times heard Unsound Doctrines and beheld Disorder and Confusion brought forth even in Publick Meetings for worship by those who cry against Dark Seperate Spirits and yet not been a Reproof thereto Concluding notwithstanding that there did a Freshness and Life appear Have not I been often affected with an Outward Tone and strength of Lungs when there hath been little to the Information and Building up one another in the most Holy Faith Have not I been better Contented to hear a Thundering kind of Voice Crying out against a Seperate Spirit though without Distinction when not a word was spoken to shew the Way to the Kingdom than to hear the Way of Eternal Life Plainly Demonstrated by a soft and moderate Voice We know there is great cause for many to put these questions to their Consciences and to be cool in Spirit that so they may have an Answer from the Lord whose appearance is not in the strong winds but in the still Voice SECT IV. An Answer to the Third Position deducible from an Objection raised toward the Conclusion of the first Section viz. That 't is Folly and Hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not Believe thus as the True Church Believes TO this we say we are altogether dissatisfied especially when we consider what a Body of darkness hath entered under the Belief of this Position we must believe as the Church believes amongst the Professors of Christianity in Ages past as well as at this present Day that such Language can become the mouth or pen of any one that professeth not only Faith in Christ but also that such his Faith is grounded upon the Inward Manifestation and Revelation of Gods Spirit in himself mark we say in himself Those who are accounted Apostate Christians have from such Assemblies which they call their Church set forth their Creeds by which it may be known what the Members of their Church do and ought to Believe and since 't is so that no Person is able to make out that ever any Assembly under the Notion of the true Church amongst the People called Quakers have published their Creed by which we mean a certain number of Articles of Faith recommending them as those things which every Member of the true Church ought to believe or else not be accounted a Member of the true Church we cannot account it unreasonable if any one that liketh not the Language touching Believing as the true Church Believes should ask the Publisher thereof this Question Hast thou not spoken this with respect to the People called Quakers as those whom thou accountest the True Church And if so is it not folly to talk of believing as this Church believes when no assembly under the notion of this Church have to this day declared and published their Creed for the ends aforesaid Nay may it not further be said we know how Papists and Protestants describe their Church but at the day wherein that which occasions this present discourse was given forth it was not discovered by any reputed Quakers publickly in Print that we know of who or were the true Church is with respect to visible persons more than what is to this effect given forth by the Author occasioning this present discourse viz. That the People called Quakers are the Church Wherein we do not take his meaning to be that all called Quakers were the Church of God but the Elect amongst them for he also saith The Church signifies the Elect and so the Reader is left without any certain Description who or where this Church is with respect to visible Persons since the Elect amongst them are not outwardly described For the clearing of the Truth and the opening of the Understandings of such as may be muddled about this matter 't is with us thus to Testifie 'T is well known that it pleased the Lord to reach unto many of our Consciences at the beginning of this latter Day that hath dawned amongst us whereby we came to Believe in the Everlasting Light of the Lord and as others held forth the Visible Orders and Written Faiths of a Visible Church to be as a Lanthorn to their Paths and as a Ground of their Faith so this Light of Christ was preach't up as a Lanthorn to our Paths and as the Ground of our Faith and then as our Understandings came to be more and more opened we clearly saw that as other Churches had outward Marks and Tokens whereby a man might manifest himself to be a Member of their Church when received into Society with their Church so we who had Believed in the Light of our Lord Jesus Christ and had the Evidence in our selves that we were of the true Brotherhood and Members of Christ's Body were at a loss infallibly to manifest unto others by any Outward Marks or Tokens that we were in
Reality Members of the true Church Because this Light in which we had Believed did reveal unto us that those who were but in the Gentile Nature and had come no further than the Outward Court that was given to the Gentiles might have all the Outward Marks and signs of a Member of their Churches and yet know very little of the washing by the Water of Regeneration and Sanctification through the Spirit which every Member of the true Church that 's Built on the Rock Christ comes to be Witness of And therefore when our Opposers who professed not the Truth would reflect upon us on this wise You are a confused People you gather not into Church-fellowships you have no certain Way to know one another to be Members of the Church as we have And why do you not put forth your Creed that so we may know what and how many the Articles of your Faith are and what you stand for and what you stand against The best Answer that ever as we could understand we were capable to give in Truth unto such was this The True Church is in God who is the Author and Finisher of our Faith we have believed in the Sufficiency of his Grace unto which if we are obedient according to the respective measures thereof given of God and Received by us we then have the Witness of God in our Consciences giving Evidence that we are of the True Brotherhood and of the Church of the First Born whose Names are written in Heaven though we do not alleadge any outward Marks and Signes whereby our Bodies being Temples wherein the Holy Ghost doth dwell ought to be accounted within the pale of the true Church And albeit no Outward Society of Men amongst us calling themselves the Church have put forth any certain number of Articles of Faith with this Testimony that every one that professeth himself a Member of the Church of Christ ought so to Believe or else not be accounted of the True Church yet many of our Freinds unto whom the Lord hath given Divine Understanding have written divers Books according as the Spirit of the Lord hath moved upon their Hearts out of which the sound Doctrines we hold and stand for may be collected though others so reputed may thorough Weakness have erred To conclude as to this particular we further thus testifie In the Church of Christ there are Babes Young Men and Fathers there are the Weak and the Strong Suppose a Weak Brothers Faith Differs from his Brethren must he be accounted a Fool or an Hipocrite Nay Nay Charity measures not so We find this very Case happening amongst the Romans and what said Paul in that Case Read Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. and there Paul thus adviseth Let not him that eateth dispise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him which eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Man's Servant To his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith Have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Hence 't is evident the Members of the Church differed in their Faith he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was Received of God he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very eating whilest there was a Doubt though the abstaining from eating was the Fruit of Weakness We now leave it to the Conscience of every Impartial Reader in the Light of Christ Jesus to weigh and consider whether it can be Service to the Truth and agreeable to the meaning of the Spirit at this day for any person under the name of Quaker to give forth this Doctrine 't is folly and hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not believe thus as the True Church believes though the giver forth thereof may to this purpose also declare as to give the publisher thereof his due he hath That they never did preach up such a Position as a great Argument to enforce People into their Faith SECT V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of God's Grace A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or disobedience The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are inward Some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are discribed An Objection relating to the Securing any part of a mans Estate on a fore-sight of a Premunire or Fines for meeting answered HAving thus far eased our selves 't is with us in short to inform the Reader what we stand for and what we stand against that so the understanding impartiall Reader who cannot be principled to shut out all Reason and all Wisdom notwithstanding publick Exhortations to the contrary as if Wisdom and Reason of all kinds were condemnable may perceive more clearly what we are and what we are not That then which chiefly we stand for is Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart which might be branched forth into many particular Doctrines and Practices but forasmuch as that hath largely been treated on by many antient honourable Friends to Truth and Righteousness who were Instruments in Gods Hand to gather us into the Belief of his Light and Sufficiency of his Grace though since fallen asleep and that we intend more particularly to treat thereon in the second part of this Treatise we shall not much enlarge thereon in this part yet think it necessary for the sakes of some here to signifie That Truth and Righteousness for which we stand under the Government of Christ hath Instructed us not to depend on Man for teaching but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace nor yet to put into the mouths of false Prophets or Hireling Shepherds and on this foot we have had a Testimony against paying of Tythes as being that Antichristian-Yoak which in the dark Night of Apostacy hath been spread over Nations and as we came to believe in the Light of Christ Jesus and to depend upon the Sufficiency of his Grace and to know the benefit of our assembling our selves together to wait upon the Lord for the arising of his pure immortal Life to the refreshing and consolating our immortal Souls we have been made willing Praises be to our God to continue the assembling of our Selves together waiting upon the Lord in the day of Persecution and Hour of Tryal though Sufferings might therefore attend believing that whatsoever society of People had been in the Life of Christianity and yet should for Fear of Man or the Lawes of Men forsake the assembling of themselves together as the manner of some hath been in dayes past when the will of the Lord
was they should not forbear might thereby come to lose their strength in the Lord for that we believe 't is the duty of every Christian to think nothing too dear to offer up for the Lord when he commands or calls for it Mark We do not say at every time that any Informer that thirsteth after our ruin and Estates thorough Malice especially when not prompted thereto by such as are Ministers of the Law calls for it but we say when the Lord Commands or Calls for it And if peradventure any should be so overcome as through Disobedience Fear or Weakness not to stand stedfast to the Testimony of Truth in the day of Tryal even in that manner that the Lord willeth it is then the Duty of those that are strong to deal gently with such and in that Charity spoken of by the Apostle 1 Cor. 13. That beareth all things that endureth all things endeavour to convince them of such their weakness that so their Faith and Strength in the Truth may come to encrease and not be so remote from bearing the Infirmities of the Weak which was the Apostles Counsel to those who were Strong as instead thereof to publish such their Weakness by way of Recrimination through the Nation especially whilest such Weakness might truly be termed want of Sight or clear Conviction We also do believe that the Government of Christ is an Inward Government that the Laws thereof are Inward and that the only place wherein they are to be exalted is in the Heart of Man for that Christ's Appearance is there to be waited for and that this Government cannot be established by Man because 't is already on Christ's Shoulders and he that sits on the Throne of David is to establish it Notwithstanding 't is well known that some called Quakers by writing under their hands have declared themselves to be the Establishers of the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth We also do believe that those who have lived under this Government of Christ bring forth the peaceable Fruits of Righteousness strive not for Preheminence nor yet like the Gentiles exercise Lordship over one another but are meek gentle humble and easie to be entreated ready to pass by and forgive Offences even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven us and so shew forth the Fruit of that Love whereof Christ our Lord and Master did declare when he said By this shall all men know that ye are my Disciples if ye Love one another But on the contrary we cannot but testify that those who are so far from following Peace with all men which was the Apostles Counsel as to raise Contention amongst their Brethren endeavouring to make them Offenders for those things which in the Sight of the All-seeing God are no Offence do not appear to be Subject unto Christ's Government though they may stile themselves Establishers of the Churches in the Holy Order of Truth Object But perhaps some may here Object How come you and those your Opposers who run against you as dark leavened superate Spirits thus to disagree for certain we are that we have heard them testifie to the sufficiency of Gods Grace in Opposition to the Teachings of Man magnifie the Light of Christ Jesus as the Guide to the Father and bear witness against Tyth-payers and Fleers in time of Persecution Answ Yes verily we believe so too but yet we are not of those who can hold an Unity with such who sometimes tell us We must walk according to the Measure of Gods Grace in our selves and that magnifie the sufficiency thereof as the only unerring Rule and yet be Judging their Brethren because they cannot have an Eye to some Outward Rules and Orders given forth by such who have said Look not unto us but unto the Lord when at the same time such as may be so Judged shall solemuly affirm it reaches not to their Consciences unto which all Papers Outward Rules and Prescriptions are to be brought that so by the Light of Christ Jesus therein they may be tryed and not our Consciences brought unto Papers or any thing Outward to be a Bond thereon before an Inward Conviction from the Measure of the Grace of God received neither can we be at Unity with the Appearance of that Spirit in any one that villifies others for Fleers in time of Persecution Backbiting instead of endeavouring to restore in the Spirit of Meekness such when such an one hath appeared a Fleer at such like times himself neither can we be at Unity with the Appearance of that Spirit be it in whomsoever it will that can recriminate men as Tyth-payers who have been Faithful in their Testimony relating to Tythes and yet advise a Friend to Purchase Tythes which is G. F's Case with relation to his Advice unto Nathaniel Crips and Robert Arch according as is treated on and proved by Certificates under their hands recorded in the 21th Section of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface ready to be seen We are now sensible that some of our Opposers may take occasion from a part of our fore going words thus to Object Obj. This your Language of Offering up all seems not according to the sence of some to square with the practice of securing any part of your Estates when you foresee a probability of incurring a Premunire or being fined for Meeting which as report saith hath been the Case of some of you and not only so but that you have Justified the same notwithstanding some whom we account faithful have in Publick Meetings for Worship declared against it instancing the words of Christ when he said unto Peter Get thee behind me Satan thou art an Offence to me for thou savourest not the things that be of God which was so spoken by Christ because Peter said unto him Be it far from thee Lord this shall not be unto thee meaning as the Context shews that he would not have Jesus go to Jerusalem there to sufer though 't was manifested to him that he must go thither and suffer c. Read Mat. 16.21 22 23. and so by consequence it appears that Christ reproved that Spirit which exhorted to save Self Besides 't is well known that on this occasion the rebellions and condemned Action of Saul in saving Agag and he best of the Sheep and Oxen alive being a part of what by the Commandment of the Lord he took of the Amalakites hath frequently been brought as an instance against some of you to shew that all ought to be offered up Read 1 Sam. 15. Answ Forasmuch as this very Objection hath been made use of as a prevailing Argument to affect some ignorant People against the Friends of Truth 't is needfull it should receive a particular Answer and Observation which now followeth Peters words had a tendency to divert Christ from what he knew to be his Duty Sauls Action was known and confest Rebellion in saving that which was no part of his own proper Substance but
a Prey obtained by Commission from God and that with a severe Command to Destroy all and therefore we readily Confess that if any amongst us have endeavoured to divert another from what he knew to be his Duty or hath in saving any part of that Substance which God Commanded to be Destroyed acted contrary to his known Duty 't is justly to be condemned and the Scriptures before-cited may in that Case be termed a proper Allusion thereto But alas this is far remote from the Cases reflected on because some Persons therein concerned have received no Command from God to the contrary nor yet have saved any thing which the Lord commanded to destroy And therefore such may justly thus say How darest thou to Judge the Friends of Truth and Servants of the Lord for that wherein they are not Judged of the Lord Besides 't is worthy Observation that if any should go beyond their proper Gift and Line of right Understanding and in that state offer up their ALL when the Lord calls not for it but instead thereof a Company of Informers and that also by Illegal Ways to devour it on their Lusts this Offering might have no more acceptance with the Lord under this Dispensation of the New Covenant than the Offering of the Blind and the Lame under the First Covenant had And indeed it may not be unnecessary farther to confide the End wherefore the Lord hath made us Stewards of Worldly Estates doubtless 't was and is that therewith we might Maintain our Families and have a due regard to the Poor the Fatherless and the Widow that are or might be Objects of Charity and therefore it may well be deemed not contrary to the Truth Lawfully to preserve the same for the Ends for which 't was given and to endeavour by all Lawful Ways and Means to prevent the Spoylers Design of possessing our Estates to consume it on their Lusts And indeed Charity obligeth us to suppose that these very Considerations occasioned G. F. to advice Mary Penington to secure Worldly Estate from the hands of such who were Supposed in a Persecuting Spirit to Thirst after it though of her self if what G. F. hath Written in relation to this matter be to be credited she had no inclination to remove her moveable goods in order to secure it And if any should question the Truth of this relating to G. F. and Mary Penington we thereto say that Sufficient Witness to Prove Mary Peningtons Confession thereof can be now Produced besides G. F. Being charged therewith did not in his Answer written deny it This our Answer may in probability occasion from some another Objection on this wise Obj. This is but a subtil Evasion of that which is the Duty of all Friends for the Testimony of faithful Friends and the Words of Christ in Answer to Peter and of Samuel to Saul will stand over the Heads of Such Dark Spirits as you are Answ This Objection containing such Language wherewith we are well acquainted from the Mouthes of our Opposers may thus in Truth be Answered That it can no more stand over our Heads than the words of some Priests urging Abrahams payment of Tythes out of spoyles he obtained in War Gen. 14.20 can stand over the Heads of Friends refusing to pay Tythes of those Lands which are their Inheritance or proper purchase and no part of Spoyles obtained in War Those who will not receive this as a full Answer to evidence the Weakness of the last Objection but tenaciously persist in asserting that the said Objection is reasonable and that from the words of Christ and Saul will undoubtedly give Just occasion to confirm the sense of our common Enemies viz. That there are amongst the People called Quakers who make of the Scriptures a meer Nose of Wax for though the Scriptures mention not any Command from God to Abraham to pay unto Melchisedeck the Tenths of his Spoiles yet doubtless he therein did according to the Mind of God even as Saul would have done had he destroyed all according to the Command of God and if what was practised by Abraham might be taken to be an incumbent Duty on Christians at this day even as our Opposers would have what Saul ought to have practised according to the command of God to be Exemplary at this day yet 't is apparent that both one and 'tother had a real relation to what was obtained in War and so no proper Presidents either to pay a Tenth part or to offer up the nine parts with the tenth of that Estate which is our Inheritance or proper Purchase This we are farther sensible may also occasion another Objection to this purpose viz. Obj. Your Discourse seemes to encourage the avoyding all Suffering and then how in this our day shall that Testimony of the Apostle be fullfilled viz. All that will live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer Persecution 2 Tim. 3.12 Answ To this we answer Our former discourse encourages the assembling our selves together though not to put into the Mouthes of Informers at their Wills and Pleasures and doubtless Few so Weak but do know that Sufferings of divers kinds may therefore attend so that unless we were Discouragers of Assembling together to wait upon the Lord we cannot reasonably be understood to encourage the avoyding all sufferings And though Pauls Words seem so positive and general yet the meaning of the Spirit through Paul might be more particular viz. in relation to Times Seasons and Persons wherein the Lord might suffer the Adversary to exercise some of his People for the Tryal of their Faith and Patience and not strictly meant that if a man had not suffered Persecution therefore he had not lived Godly in Christ Jesus For who dares to be so uncharitable as to conclude That none who are fallen asleep that tasteth not of Persecution in their day nor had occasion offered for the spoyling of their goods for the Gospels Sake Dyed in the Faith of Gods Elect and of the number of those who lived Godly in Christ Jesus especially since we know it hath been the practice of some who have been apt to reflect as aforesaid to use divers wayes and meanes according to the best of their Skill and Understandings to prevent the Stroke of Persecution in their day Moreover 't is Observable that Paul's Words to Felix c. Acts 26.29 I would to God that not only thou but also all that hear me this Day were both almost and altogether such as I am Except these Bonds did clearly shew that Persecution is not such an absolute Companion to a true Christian as that without it it 's not possible to live Godly in Christ Jesus because no doubt but Paul was then in that state of Godliness and so also would those on whose behalf he so spoke have been had Paul's Desires been Answered notwithstanding he Excepted the Bonds he then was in by reason of Persecution And forasmuch as we know some of our Opposers
Exaltation of one of his Disciples as an Head or Supream unto whom the rest ought to have had an Eye in a more peculier manner than ordinary he would have undoubtedly signifyed so much but doubtless he saw that their Eye and Dependency was too much on his Outward and Bodily Appearance and therefore signifyed 'T is Expedient I go hence that the comforter come agreeable to which are the meaning of the Apostles Words though we have known Christ after the flesh yet henceforth know we him no more that is to say after the flesh no more All which doth clearly demonstrate unto us it s not according to the Will of God that under this Administration we should have our Eyes out unto Man but that our great Dependency should be on that Comforter the Spirit of Truth which Christ Testifyed the Father would send in his Name to teach us all things and that this Comforter should be in us And therefore on this occasion 't is with us to give this further Testimony that every Member of the Body of Christ is thorough the Death of Christ made dead unto any other Law save the Law of the Spirit of Life manifested thorough the arising of Christ by his appearance in every such Member and so as perticuler Members are become maryed unto him and having all Fellowship each with other in the Spirit those who are such ought to demean themselves each towards other full of Love Charity Bowels of Compassion Longsuffering forbearance Meekness Humility Patience Gentleness and of all other vertues that are the Fruit of the Spirit of God but as to Obedience every Member owes that unto Christ his Head unto whom every thought according to the Testimony of the Apostle Paul ought to be brought into obedience SECT VIII A manifestation that the Variance hath originally risen from a Different Sense touching G. F. the General Meeting or Womens-Meetings c. The End for which Womens-Meetings were assented to ON the whole Matter the great Variance amongst some once at Unity we have cause to know hath risen from a different sense touching one some or all of these three particulers following The first relates to George Fox that hath taken upon him to give forth Directions and Instructions to others and his Proceedings The Second to the General Meeting and their Proceedings The Third To Womens Meetings and their Proceedings As to the First we say many there are amongst us who Affirm that they have more than ordinary cause to believe that many Professing the Truth do look upon G. F. as one whom the Lord in these latter dayes hath raised up and set in the like Place amongst the Children of Light as Moses was amongst the Children of Israel and that whosoever shall Oppose him shall never prosper which we are perswaded hath so over-awed many that they become Sacrificers of their own Sense and Understandings to the Will of Man and doubtless on this Foot many may think those who told him his Book about Womens-Meetings is Notoriously Erronious will never prosper though they have evidenced it to be so to his Face and that in the view of several Hundreds of Friends at a Meeting assented to by himself and those of Party with him when at Bristol in the 12th Moneth 1677. As one instance of the Errours of the said Book take this Pag. 43. he thus saith And was not Micah's Mother a Virtuous Woman Read Judges 17. and see what she said to her Son and a few Lines after he saith So these and such Women are recorded for their Wisdom and their Virtue and their Faith For our parts we cannot understand that any thing of Wisdom Virtue or Faith is recorded touching Michah's Mother unless Blessing or Cursing out of one Mouth from an Idolatrous Woman may be accounted the Fruit thereof Many other things might be quoted out of his said Book notoriously Erronious and therefore will certainly remain on Record to his shame until he repent And 't is not his proselited Parties saying None shall Prosper that Oppose him nor yet his saying That he knew what he did and saw it would be a Stumbling-Block for so William Rogers positively affirms he did say to him will excuse him in the Day of the Lord for we firmly believe that unless he repent he will become Despised and Vile before the People even as the Lord made those Priests in the time of the Law who as the Prophet said Mal. 2.8 9. caused many to stumble to be therefore despised and vile before all the People we know he hath been an Instrument to cause many to Condemn their Failings we desire that he may be so Ingenious as once to Confess his own Secondly We are perswaded some others have lookt upon the General Meeting as that unto which they ought to have an Eye being principled to receive own and stand by whatsoever comes from thence as the Oracles of God without bringing the Matter they appear at Unity with to the Test of Christ's Light in their own Consciences and no marvel if such as are principled to shut out Reason Wisdom and Jealousie without Distinction thus do And when any Papers are given forth by that Meeting or G. F. such as are at Unity with them bring them to the Mens Meetings for Outward Business which oft times occasions Strife and Contention the one party accounting themselves oblieged as we take it to receive and stand by what comes from them the other Party do the same also when it reaches to the Witness of God in their Consciences as Matter proper to be brought to such Meetings but if not they cannot receive it though an Angel from Heaven bring it then the other Party accounts this the Fruit of a Jealous Dark Leavened Spirit and thus Contention and Debate hath arisen even amongst those who formerly before the Outward Form of Government was so much pleaded for walked together in Peace and Concord Thirdly There is amongst many Friends a Difference touching the Meetings of Women seperate from the Men which though not hitherto treated on yet it may not be improper to be spoken to on this Occasion But first we think it necessary to answer this Question which naturally seems to arise for the Information of the Reader viz. How came those Meetings first to be held and for what end To this we answer that G. F. so far as we understood exhorted thereto and the End thereof in sum was to take care of the poor in some cases the Meeters themselves according to their Freedom * Note This Method of raising Monies for that Service was though very unreasonable because it reached not all by whom the Charge of the outwardly poor Members of the Church of Christ ought to be born raising Mony which caused the Charge to light much on some who were most constant in Meeting whilest others for want of another Method to collect Monies were very little concerned in the Charge of the Poor But in
had not seen the like before neither can I write it as I saw it for I was in great Fear but on a sudden there came a Voice to me saying Be still and Fear not and I was so for he made me so as if I had not been in the Body and presently I saw a great Field or Common where many Beasts were Feeding amongst which were a great Flock of Sheep feeding also and I beheld them and that there were very many goodly Sheep and so me also were very weak and Scabby but they did all feed together and did not hurt one the other neither did they despise one the other at all at last the Night was near and I saw the Shepherd come to gather the Flock into a Fold which I saw there by and staid by the Fold himself and sent his Dogs and he had many pretty little Dogs which did eat of his own Morsels and did lie at his Feet for he loved them very well and took great Delight in them and he did make them gather his Flock and they did go round the Flock but some of the Sheep were feeding about and some did feed by the way and did not go so fast as the rest and when the Dogs saw that Some of them that were young and not well Acquainted with the Masters Manner and Custome did run from the Flock with Fierceness after the Sheep that stayed behind and did affrighten the Sheep further away for the Sheep did not understand that the Dogs would have had them to the rest of the Flock but were afraid of the Dogs and still the Dogs did pursue them Sheep and did bite some of them and when they were weary with running after them then they returned again to the Flock and did in their Minds greatly blame the Sheep but I saw some of the Dogs that were well acquainted with their Masters Manner of gathering his Flock did wisely go behind the Sheep and such did drive them gently along without hunting of them or wearying of themselves so when they had gathered the Flock together the Shepherd put them into the Fold but there were many Goats amongst them which did push with their Horns against the Sheep and did put many of them by the Door so that they did run by the side of the Fold but the Shepherd did gather them together again and when he had gathered them all together into the Fold he made fast the Door and went to seek the Sheep which did not come with the Flock but while he was looking for them the Goats were very troublesome in the Fold and hurt the Sheep very much but he would not seperate them until he had the other also and when he had found them some of them were lying very lame for the Dogs had hurt and wearied them and some of them were feeding under green Hedges but the Shepherd took the Sheep that were lame and carried them on his Back and did drive the other before him and did bring them to the rest of the Flock but the Sheep that were lame he put into a little place alone and did dress their Wounds and Anointed their Feet with an oyl that he had that did perfectly cure all their Diseases for he spared no pains but was willing to hurt himself rather than them for his Ointment was mixed with his own Blood and did by sympathy Cure all their Diseases and when he had cured them he put them all together and did put the Goats from amongst them and then did they rest in perfect Peace for there was nothing to make them afraid amongst them but they did all feed Innocently together and his care was over them all alike according as they had need And he took their Fleeces as every one had for some had much better than other some but those which had the great white soft Fleeces did not despise them which had little course ones for they were both profitable to him and I saw some of the Sheep which had almost no Wool at all on them and them neither did he despise for the Bryers and Thorns had pulled it from them when the unlearned Dogs did drive them away from the Fold but when the Winter came he took of the wool of the other and put it on them and the other Sheep were not at all displeased at it neither was there any Envy in their Hearts and I saw the Shepherd himself take some of his own Garments and covered them that were very naked so that they were all preserved from the cold of the Winter and the Frost had no Power over them But I looked when the Shepherd would have beaten the Dogs or have killed them but he did not hurt them at all only put them in a String and led them with him for he purposed to instruct them better but some of them would not be led for they were very foolish and did not understand his Mind but them he took home and would have kept them at home but they would not stay but would always be going abroad and barking at the Lambs to affrighten them out of their Pastures and some of the Dogs were ready to devour them for there was something of the Nature of the Wolf in them and them he bound up in Chains to sulfil his purpose on them And when I beheld these things I greatly wondred at the Care of the Shepherd over his Sheep and also at his Mercy towards his unruly Dogs and he said unto me This will I do and much more for my Sheep and my Lambs and I know they have none to help them but my self and therefore will I not forsake them though they be driven from Mountain to Hill for a moment yet as I live saith the Lord I will not seperate the Flock from the Goats until I have brought * * Note Meaning those Sheep that were hunted from the Fold and wounded by the unlearned Dogs them also and have cured their Wounds for they are of my chosen Flock I will not send any more after them but I will go my self and carry them on my Shoulders and put them into my place which I have prepared for them until they be healed for my Blood will sufficiently heal them and my Garment cover them that none of their Nakedness shall appear neither shall Shame or Fear rest on them any more Then was I greatly troubled and grieved in my Spirit because of my unworthiness for I would fain have praised him and I did acknowledge my self unworthy to speak to him but I prayed unto him that he would form his own Praise in my Mouth and receive of his own from me for I was nothing before him who is all Praise all Love all Life all Beauty all Holiness and of his Compassion there is no end what shall I say of him if I had the Tongue of Men and Angels it could not sufficiently speak forth his Praise and when I saw how exceedingly
all Men were to praise him or to speak of his Wonders for they were altogether past finding out then I wept greatly and desired only that he would permit me to sit at his Feet and he swore unto me by himself That he would deliver me from all my Troubles within without and truly it was his own free Promise for I durst not ask it of him but was contented to have waited still in my Sorrowfull Condition all the Days of my Life that I had to spend amongst Men. But what shall I say I am contented with his Will and rest at his Feet Friends I am constrained by the Spirit of Endless Love to warn you all that you may forbear Judging of any Man any more upon any Pretence whatsoever but commit all Judgement to the Son for he cryeth in me that he will shortly appear with righteous Judgment upon the Earth and Wo was upon him that hath took upon him to sit upon my seat of Judgment and hath not Judged Righteously for the same Measure that he meeteth shall be met to him again for whosoever I find upon my seat of Judgment when I come if he be not as I am Holy Just and Mercifull without any mixture him will I destroy with the Breath of my Mouth for he is as unclean Smoak before me Therefore Dear Friends let all Unrighteousness be far from you for thus saith the Voice in me Whosoever I find in Envy the same Envy shall be his Torment and whosoever in Covetousness or in Pride or any unclean Mind that same shall be their Cloathing and they shall stand behind me and all that is with me having no other Garment but their own Filthyness For the Envious shall have their Envy for their Reward and the Covetous shall have his Covetousness and whatsoever his work shall be here that shall be his covering when I appear Therefore all People mind your own Souls and let nothing but what is like the same Holiness Righteousness Mercy and Love without respect of Persons in any-wise appear and let Covetousness be far from you and be you as he was in this World that you may be like him in his Glory for verily you cannot be like him in his Glory further than you are in his Nature of Holiness Therefore all Friends look into your Hearts and let no spark abide there of the old nature for if there be it will drive you to look out at others and in that time 't will gather Strength and kindle a great Fire in you which is not easily put out which many at this day may know Edward Burroughs Though many things are very worthy notice from the above-cited lines given forth through the Servant of the Lord Edward Burroughs and obvious enough to many yet for the sakes of some 't is thought meet to take notice of two particular Matters which seem very pertinent on this Occasion First That some of the young unlearned Dogs not well acquainted with the Masters Manner in gathering the Sheep did run from the Flock with fierceness after the Sheep that staid behind and did affrighten them and bite some of them neither would they be led nor yet stay at home but would always be going abroad and barking at the Lambs to affrighten them being ready to devour them for there was something of the Nature of the Wolf in them and them the Shepherd bound up in Chains to fulfil his purpose on them Secondly That some of the Dogs well acquainted with the Masters Manner did wisely goe behind the Sheep and such did drive them gently along without hunting of them or wearying themselves From these two Citations out of the aforesaid Paper we may learn that the Spirit of the Lord thorough his Servant hath in a Parable very lively described a part of what hath happened amongst the Flock of God in these latter Days for of certain knowledge we can say that there are such as are learned in the School of Christ who being well acquainted with Christ Jesus their Lord and Masters Manner of gathering the Sheep do not over-drive the Flock nor yet weary themselves for meer Vanity and there are also the Unlearned who are not acquainted with the great Masters Manner in gathering the Sheep and these in a great Measure have occasioned the Encrease and Continuation of Division amongst the People called Quakers by their fierce contending for an outward Unity and Conformity with respect to Forms of Government in the Church so that they seem not only ready to bite but also to devour others that see not clearness in themselves to practise according as they in their hunting Spirit would as much as in them lies constrain and inforce Nay there are some not only unacquainted with Christ Jesus's Manner of gathering the Flock like a Shepherd that gathers his Lambs in his Armes and gently leadeth them that are with Young but also have laid blame on such as have exactly Walked in his Footsteps And indeed so Foolish and Confident have some been that the masters manner of gathering the Flock hath become as a By-Word or a Mock and not only so but Matter of Evil Fact in the sense of some Witness the Forty Four Articles Relating to Church-Government drawn up against J. S. and J. W. two Ancient and Honourable Friends in the Truth a part whereof is for that they should say THEY WOULD NOT HAVE FRIENDS OVER-DRIVEN To Conclude We also know that some of these have been by the Spirit of Truth Reproved as not fit to say they speak in the Name of the Lord When the Lord hath not spoken by them nor yet to appear as if they were sent of God to gather the Flock or to Proclaim themselves Keepers of other Folks Vineyards when they have not kept their own Vineyard by which it appears that the will of the Lord touching such hath been that they should Hearken unto the Word of Reproof and be led by his Spirit which if they had they would have stay'd at home until they had been Instructed and Learn'd in the School of Christ but yet notwithstanding some have contrary hereunto gone abroad and their great Work hath been to cry out against Honest Friends under the notion of Dark Spirits levened Spirits Troublers of Israel Corah's Judases c. just like unto those Young Unlearned Dogs signified in the Parable that would not be led but would be going abroad and Barking at the Lambs to affrighten them being ready to devour them for as in the Parable 't is said there hath been something of the Nature of the Wolf in them But Blessed be the Lord many are Witnesses that of late some of them have been as in Chains and Fetters of Iron so that they are not able to Prey upon those who are upon the Rock Christ who doubtless in his own time will fulfil his Purpose on them Oh! that all Concern'd herein at this Day would seriously Consider Proceed no farther in
which the enemy of the Soul of Man hath spread before him since his first coming forth to Preach the Light c. to concern himself so much as he hath against some that cannot own an urging with severity his Directions or Prescriptions on Gods Faithfull People and in Particular to appear a Persecutor of such which can certainly be proved against him if endeavouring unjustly to take away a mans Good Name and Reputation can be termed such To this the Answer is As the Serpent beguiled Eve so Eve beguiled Adam in prevailing upon him to eat of the Forbidden Fruit which she had eaten and the Argument used by the Serpent to tempt Eve was this Ye shall be as Gods Even so are we persuaded that there hath not been wanting unto him to speak comparitively a tempting Eve which hath been too aspiring after such a State which with respect to humble self-denying Persecuted Members of Christs Church is neither fit nor presidented and yet 't is to be doubted that this aspiring Mind hath had so much place with him as that he hath taken too much upon him which hath occasioned Rents and Divisions amongst the flock and sometimes to pretend that he hath seen things in the Vision of the Almighty which hath been no other than the Imagination of his own Heart and having given way thereto and finding a fear upon Friends thorough a tender respect unto him to Judge or dislike what he might bring forth under pretence of the Motion of the Spirit it in Probability encreast his Confidence especially when he considered what had been written unto him by some Friends in the Day of their Infancy which being in such Language as was suitable to an aspiring mind might tend to his hurt At length his fame grew so great as that amongst some Weak Friends it became even as a Proverb that none would prosper who should oppose him This by others hath clearly been seen to be a subtil way to obliege all such as should so believe to be Servants to his Will and for ought we know this Perswasion hath the more easily obtained him the repute with some of being set by the Lord in the like place amongst the Children of Light at this Dayas Moses had amongst the Children of Israel in his Day and this we doubt is the Occasion that the Rebellion of Corah Dathan and Abiram is much treated on to affrighten Simple People in our Publick Meetings for Worship of God since the Divisions amongst Friends especially in those Places where G. F's Papers relating to Church-Government have little place But alas those who are sound in the Faith cannot be affrighted with such things no more than they can be convinced with the sight of such False Certificates * Note The Reader may peruse the Fifth Part of the Christian Quaker and therein the said Certificates are more largely treated on recorded in the 21st Section of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface and ready for perusal of any Friend desiring the sight thereof as of late have been spread abroad in his Favour to render him an Innocent Man and to acquit him from the Guilt of some Matters of Fact laid to his charge when the Certifiers knew nothing at all thereof and of this he himself could not be Ignorant though the Occasion of spreading such Certificates abroad if he knew what was contained therein which would have been proved to his Face had he been but so Just to the cause of Truth as to have submitted to a hearing according as was desired and in the Preface signified before Friends of things Reproachful to the Truth whereof he is guilty But notwithstanding all this we dare not say that his Preaching the Light in the beginning of his Travels abroad as well as the Preaching the Light by others his Fellow-Servants in the Beginning with him was not the Ministration given them of God for at the sound thereof many Faces gathered Paleness Horror and Amazement seized many who then became sensible of their Lost State and Condition whilest they were admiring their Teachers and busied in Outward Ordinances more than in the Cross of Christ And that Day wherein many were not only so strucken with Amazement but through Faith received the Testimony given touching the Light of Christ might truly be termed The Day of their Infancy in the Truth and so the more likely to be prevailed upon by the Enemy who in that Day as in Ages past sought how he might destroy that Tenderness to the Truth which was so begotten for 't is certainly known that many whose Eyes ought to have been unto the Creator Admiring and giving Glory unto him for his Gifts of Grace and Ministration of Light then revealed did on a sudden admire the Creature in such an abundant manner as if not only the planting and watering were by him but the Encrease also and in that Day some whom the Lord hath made as Watchmen in the House of Israel were concerned thereat and Jealous with a Godly Jealousie and though at present 't is not with us to declare what that Jealousie was yet if the Tree may be known by its Fruit we may with Boldness affirm that the then admiring the Creature might be truely paraleld with that State out of which the Lord through the Ministration of Light or Spirit of Life had led many at that Day who had so learned the Truth as according to the Testimony thereof to have their Eye to the Light within viz. the Light of Christ and not instead thereof to any Outward Person through whom amongst other Brethren the Ministration of Light was revealed But yet notwithstanding some there were as before is signified that admired the Creature which not only became unto them a snare but 't is much to be doubted unto the Creature also that was admired for the Acceptation of more respect than was meet stands in the same ground with the Offering thereof and 't is too much to be feared that the imprudent Acceptation of what was unduely offered hath begot a Spirit of Pride and Exaltation in G. F. which the Lord is determined for his Name-Sake to bring into the Dust and if he did but seriously mind his State and Condition and was but more ready to appear little in his own eyes than to be accounted Great in the Eyes of others and not give way to such a false Imagination that true Judgment was committed to him in all things which can now be Testified was spoken by him and that at that time wherein his Judgement was known to be false and that he may take a Liberty knowingly to put Stumbling Blocks in the way of Gods People and yet be justified therein * Note When William Rogers discoursed with him touching this particular Passage in his Book of Womens Meetings And was not Micahs Mother a virtuous Woman Read Judges 17 and then a few Lines after though she was an Idolotrous Woman sayeth these and such
9th and 5th As long as I am in the World I am the Light of the World And Chap. 12.35 Yet a little while is the Light with you walk while you have the Light And ver the 36. While ye have the Light believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light To this may be answered That these last recited Scriptures do in the most favourable construction on the objectors part intimate that Christ the Son of God while he was in the World was the Light of the World but doth not say that he is or would be no longer the light of the world Such a saying or sense would limit the Appearance of Light to that Body only and dispensation of time wherein the said Body appeared on Earth which is contradictory to the very words of the Evangelist before quoted viz. That was the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World Which Scripture sentence relating to every man is so universal that it cannot but extend to those who never beheld the face of Jesus in his fleshly and Bodily Appearance nor yet came to be informed by any outward Instrument of his Doctrine though Partakers of his Light which therefore may properly be termed by such his Light within that is the Appearance of Christ by his Light shining in their hearts agreeable whereunto in effect we take the Testimonies of the Apostle to be viz. That which may be known of God Rom. 1.19 is manifest in them For God hath shewed it unto them Seeing you seek a proof of Christ speaking in me 2 Cor. 13.3 which Riches is Christ in you Col. 1.27 the hope of Glory Who shall descend into the deep that is Rom. 10.7 8. to bring Christ again from the dead but what saith it the Word is near thee even in thy mouth and in thy heart this is the word of faith which we preach And all this appears agreeable unto what the Prophet Isaiah hinted at who speaking of what should be in the last daies signified Isa 1.2 3 5. That the God of Jacob will teach us of his Ways and therefore said Oh house of Jacob come ye let us walk in the Light of the Lord which being compared with what the same Prophet said in relation to a people Isa 5â— â— In whose hearts was the law of the Lord and with what the Prophet Jeremiah saith I will put my law in their Inward Parts Jer. 31.33 34. and write it in their Hearts and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying Know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest 'T is evident to us that this written Law in the Heart is that Light Within whereof the faithful Messengers of the Lord in our day have born witness unto and whereof the same Prophet gave testimony when he said as before O house of Jacob come ye let us walk in the Light of the Lord. Besides such a limitation as aforesaid would have a tendency to make void the virtue and efficacy of the blood of Christ who was offered up a sacrifice to take away the sins of many and on this score doth the author to the Hebrews testify Heb. 9.28 that unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without Sin unto Salvation which is a clear Evidence unto us that the benefit of the blood of Christ is not witnessed effectually in this our day but by those who having looked for his second appearance have received him in his Appearance this Appearance we take to be his Appearance by his light and spirit in the hearts of those who through faith in his blood have known their Consciences purified from Dead Works and so come to serve the living God in Truth and righteousness 'T is now to be considered Whether these words Turn in your Minds be agreeable to truth for that this kind of objection may be raised Objection Doth not this put the Creature upon Action in his own Self-will when as the Will of Man cannot bring forth that Birth unto which power is given to become the Sons of God For answer hereto 't is necessary to consider that the faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ commended their Exhortations and testimonies to the Consciences of the Hearers in the Sight of God and the reason doubtless was because there is a Capacity in Man which through the assistance of the Grace of God renders Man capable to do the will of God in righteousness unto life and those who are so acted cannot be said to be acted in the Self-will of Man And on the contrary the same Capacity letting in Tempration and joyning thereto renders Man a servant of Sin unto Death and being once so dead in Sin no redemption comes to be obtained but through Christ as the Apostle testifies Ephes 2.1 You hath he quickned that were dead in Trespasses and Sins These things considered 't is evident that through the Appearance of Christ those who have cast off the Old Man are become renewed in the Spirit of their Minds unto God and so have put on the New Man which after God is created in Righteousness and true holiness and therefore since there is such a capacity in man as aforesaid 't is agreeable to Truth to exhort the sons of men to turn in their Minds unto the appearance of Christ by his Light that through the Assistance thereof the will of God may be done in their earthen vessels The next thing to be considered is whether there is any weight in this objection Do you not think that the Jews who crucified Christ acted not from the light within since some of them at least thought they did God good service therein To this may be answered That the friends of Truth never preached up the Light Within but with respect to the Appearance of Christ by his Spirit as that Light Within intended by them and since Christ cannot be divided to act against himself therefore the Jews did not therein act from that Light Within unto which we have been directed From what then may the objector say did those of them act who verily thought they did God good service therein Ans Phil. 3.6 From Zeal without knowledge not having their Minds staid and ordered according to that universal Principle of Truth Acts 26.9 11. which if hearkned unto would teach all men to do as they would be done by in which zeal Paul verily thought in himself that he ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus and in that Self-thought being exceeding mad persecuted the Church of God consented to the death of the Saints and compelled them to Blaspheme but when the Lord was pleased to appear unto him and to make him a Minister of his everlasting Gospel he was sent unto the Gentiles to open their eyes that they might turn from
and varieties of Charters by which a pretended Claim hath been made thereto would fill a large Volumn and is not much to the purpose on this Occasion that therefore is passed over and the inquisitive Reader referred to Selden's History on that Subject and the statutes made on behalf of Tythes in the Reigns of Henry 8 Edward 6 Queen Elizabeth c. and so proceed to manifest whether there be any just Pretence from the Scriptures of Truth to claim Tythes under a Gospel-Dispensation as a proper Maintenance for a Gospel-Ministry by vertue of any humane institution The most pertinent part of Scripture that at present we remember to prove a maintenance for a Gospel-Ministry is what Paul writes 1. Cor. 9 from verse 3. to verse 16. on which this observation may be made That Paul pretended not to have any Power to claim carnal things by any Humane Institution neither is there any one word intimating that he had either Power or Liberty to make use of Carnal things unless from those unto whom he had sown Spiritual moreover 't is evident that Paul was so far from using that Gospel-Power which he had that he accounted it a Reward unto him that when he preached the Gospel he might make the Gospel of Christ without Charge Obj. But what if it please the supreme Powers to bestow on the National Ministry Tythes how prove you from the Scriptures that those who freely pay it do ill or that 't is not lawful for them to receive it from such and sue for it by the law from others who are not free to pay it Ans We are so far from condemning all those who freely pay them and not as by constraint that we look upon it to be the duty of all professing Christianity to contribute toward the outward maintainance of such whom they usually hear and account to be the true Ministers of Christ though not obliged thereto by Law in case they have need and if the Charity of any should be such as to bestow upon them one fifth part instead of a tenth far be it from us to condemn it but the Testimony of Truth is against all those who under pretence of being Gospel-Ministers have received carnal things from any who give them not freely but by vertue of humane institution And as to the other part of the Objection viz. to prove it lawful to sue for Tythes when given by Law to a Gospel-Ministry it is time enough so to do when any one shall undertake to prove that 't is agreeable to the Law of God to make outward Laws to enforce a Contribution in any form or method whatsoever for Maintainance of a Gospel-Ministry Hitherto we have not understood that any Pen hath undertaken such a Proof and therefore no necessity to enlarge for disproof of that which is neither proved or pretended to be proveable as we know However lest any should think this premise a kind of a Shift we shall add thus much that as the work of the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ is a Spiritual Work so a temporal Constitution is unsuitable for the Maintainance thereof 1 Cor. 9.14 Paul testified The Lord ordained that they which preached the Gospel should live of the Gospel We now desire the impartial Reader seriously to weigh and consider whether since God hath ordained that those who preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel it can be justifiable in a Minister of the Gospel instead of cleaving to what God hath ordained to cleave to a humane Law thereby to sue for Tythes from those who are so far from being Partakers of that Gospel pretended to be ministred as that they disown the same To every enlightned eye it cannot but be plain that a Maintainance so obtained is not a living of the Gospel because as the ministry of the Gospel is freely received so 't is freely given and he that is exercised therein reapeth no man's carual things unless they be freely offered CAAP. IX Touching Baptism T Is evident from the Scriptures of Truth Mat. 1.12 that the Baptism of water was the Ministration of John who was sent a Messenger to prepare the way of Christ before him and that though he was sent to baptise with Water unto Repentance yet he thus testified in relation to Christ Mat. 3.11 He that cometh after me is mightier than I whose Shoes I am not worthy to bear he shall baptise you with the holy Ghost and with Fire Now forasmuch as Christ himself was baptised by John and after his Resurrection exhorted his Disciples on this wise Go ye therefore and teach all Nations Mat. 28.19 baptising them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you and lo I am with you unto the End of the World It is concluded by many that the Baptism of VVater ought also to continue unto the End of the VVorld as a Gospel Ordinance to be administred by those who are called into the Work of the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ Ans 1st It doth not appear from the recited Scripture that the Disciples were hereby commissionated to Baptise with Water and though it may be urged that the Practice of * Act. 8.38 Act. 10.47 Philip to the Eunuch and the words of Peter shewed that Christ intended the Baptism of VVater and that that Baptism was to be administred by Gospel Ministers for ever yet that 's no more an infallible Proof thereof 1 Cor. 1.17 than Paul saying He was not sent to Baptise is a proof that he was either no Aposide or that Christ gave no such Commission Go teach all Nations baptising them c. because if every one that was sent to teach was also sent to baptise then Paul could not in truth have said I was not sent to baptise if in reality he was commissioned to teach and preach which none under Christian-profession as we know of at this day questions Moreover we put this query to every enlightned impartial Reader Whether there be not cause to doubt that the very Disciples themselves might not be as remote from having a true Savour of the Meaning of Christ in these words baptising them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Ghost as some of Christ's Disciples Joh. 6.53 were in these his words Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of man and drink his Blood ye have no life in you For Christ's meaning thereby was not that the flesh did profit Joh. 6.61 as is plain by these his words It is the Spirit that quickneth the Flesh profiteth nothing the Words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are Life Yet for want of true discerning what Christ meant by eating of his Flesh until he explained himself many of his Disciples said This is an hard saying who can hear it Read John 6. from verse 47. to
designed to be treated upon is the Government of Christ which we do not believe to be represented by visible persons certainly known by outward Names distinguish'd by outward marks and tokens and invested with Power from him to execute Outward Laws in an Outward Form of Government visible by our Carnal Eyes as aforesaid That the Government of Christ is an Inward Government is evident from the words of the Prophet Jeremiah Jer. 31.31 32 33. I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel c. not according to the Covenant that I made with your Fathers but this shall be the Covenant that I will make c. After those days I will put my Law in their Inward Parts and write it in their Hearts and will be their God and they shall be my People and they shall teach no more every man his Neighbour and every man his Brother saying know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them saith the Lord. This we believe was spoken with respect to the Reign of Christ by his Spirit in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men and clearly shews that the Laws of Christ's Government under the new Covenant are written in the Hearts of his People and therefore an Inward Government Objection But if any shall object That the words of the Prophet relate not to those who are of the Gentile Stock of which Stock according to the Flesh it may be said that we are We thereto say That the words of Paul do effectually answer that Objection Rom. 10.12 There is no difference between the Jew and the Gentile for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him Col. 3.9 10 11. Lie not one to another seeing that you have put off the Old Man with his deeds and have put on the New Man which is renewed in Knowledge after the Image of him that created him where there is neither Gentile nor Jew Circumcision nor Uncircumcision Barbarian Scythian Bond nor Free but Christ is all and in all Many other Scriptures both out of the Prophets and Apostles Writings might be quoted to evidence the matter intended We are yet sensible that this further Objection may be raised Viz. Objection That neither the words of the Prophet nor of the Apostle cited by us make mention of Government over Jew or Gentile but doth shew as from the scope of the Scripture appears that the Apostle so writ to convince the Jews of the difference between the Righteousness of the Law and that of Faith and to shew unto Believers whether Jews or Gentiles that though some might appear in a Voluntary Humility Worship Angels intrude into those things they had not seen and be vainly puffed up in their fleshly minds and not give all Obedience unto the Head Christ through whom alone there is an increase in the increases of God yet they were therein reproveable as not being risen with Christ and further also to shew that those who were dead with Christ from the Rudiments of the world ought not to be subject to nor yet to touch taste or handle such Ordinances as were after the Commandments and Doctrines of Men. To this Objection we answer That though the word Government is not expressly mentioned yet there are words in what is cited out of the Prophet Jeremiah importing the three material Objects of Government viz. A Lawgiver the Place where the Law is to be found written and the People for whom it is given Besides from these words of Paul viz. The same Lord over all a Governour is implied viz. Christ Jesus our Lord and so consequently a Government over that All. And from what hereafter follows it will appear that the End of this Government is to lead into all Truth Moreover it leades us to observe That there are divers true Marks whereby the Opposers of Christ's Government may be distinguisht First They are such as are in a Voluntary Humility Secondly Such as Worship Angels which may reasonably be taken to be a Worshipping of some Messengers whom God hath sent because the signification of the word Angel is a Messenger Thirdly Such as intrude into those things they have not seen Fourthly Such as are puft up in their fleshly minds Fifthly Such as give not all obedience unto the head Christ And lastly Such as are Subject to Ordinances after the Commandments and Doctrines of Men. And to be very plain for the clearing the Truth we must give this our Testimony that we are really perswaded from what our Eyes Ears have been witnesses that many of those amongst the People called Quakers who have Zealously contended for the Observation of Outward Rules and Orders given forth by One Man bear all the aforesaid Marks for whosoever they are that pretend Zeal to promote submit unto and exercise themselves in other mens lines made ready to their hands and that on a pretended religious score when thorow the word of true Faith they see it not their duty or if they shall pretend they do and thereupon strive to enforce others to submit thereto there being no ground from the Scripture of Truth or Light of Christ so to strive it naturaly follows that the aforesaid Marks accompany such and this we confidently aver that thorough the whole Scriptures of Truth there is not one word from whence we may rationally expect and that according to the meaning of the Spirit that Christ hath or will Commissionate any One Man or Men to prescribe Outward Rules and Orders relating to Faith or Discipline in the Church to be binding on the Consciences of the Subjects of his Kingdom whether they should see it to be their duty from the Law written in their hearts or no. Besides if we consider the nature of Christ's Kingdom and Government it will appear to be such unto which outward written Laws visible by our carnal eyes and to be executed by perishing objects according to an outward Magistratical or Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction are wholly unsutable becaus Christs Kingdom is not of this world but is an Everlasting Kingdom and therefore 't is said That of the encrease of his Government there shall be no end and though John in the Revelations Chap. 11. V. 15. gives this Testimony That there were great voices in heaven saying the Kingdoms of this World are become the Kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ And he shall Reign forever and ever Isa 61.11 yet there is nothing said to signify that the manner of his Reign was or should be otherwise then as before is described Moreover if any Man or Men have or may pretend him or themselves to be such on Earth on whom the weight of Christs Government which is Spiritual is laid it is not like to have any Evidence in our Consciences First Not only because we find no such Prophecy or Promise in the Scriptures of Truth but also for that we rather find the contrary for
the Name of Jesus who is given of the Father to be Salvation to the Ends of the Earth I now come to give the Reader a perticular Account of some Assertions and Scripture Quotations relating to Government amongst one part of the People called Quakers published in Print by Robert Barclay together with Answers thereto contained in a Manuscript given forth by my self who was concerned in my Conscience so to do for the sakes of such as being weak are apt to be precipitated into a Zealous Observation of other mens Lines made ready to their hands when not led thereinto by a Measure of Gods Gift and Grace in themselves and so may justly be termed like unto those who render for Doctrine the Traditions of Men. The aforesaid Assertions Quotations and particular Answers thereto some Years past sent to Steven Crisp and another publick Person as well as the Author of the said Book doth follow as proper in relation to this Treatise touching Government and if the Reader shall find any thing therein which hath been herein already treated upon or in the first part of the Christian-Quaker distinguish'd from the Apostate and Innovator I hope he will not be offended thereat since the ensuing Lines were written on a Particular Occasion though of a General Concern relating to the People called Quakers and that also before it was designed that the said first part should be prepared much less committed to the Press However that which may well plead my Excuse for the Readers Expence of Time on such an Occasion is this There is very little Discourse of which hath been mentioned before and that which is is very material to be observed as a proper Looking-Glass in some respect to distinguish the true Christian termed in Derision Quaker from the Apostate and Innovator The Innovations AND Scripture-Misapplications of R. B. Detected BEING Part of some Observations on his small Treatise Intituled The ANARCHY of the RANTERS c. Wherein he saith The Antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establisht amongst them meaning the People of the Lord called in Derision Quakers This small Treatise being weighed in the equal Ballance this ensuing Discourse is become a two-fold Defence for those of the People of God called Quakers who have retained their First Love and Integrity for the Truth and Right Understanding of the only Fundamental Principle thereof viz. the Light Wherein they are vindicated from the Aspersions of those who may accuse them of despising of Christ's Government and indulging that Liberty which Truth condemns on the one hand and from such who may calumniate them for endeavouring to establish the outward Orders and Prescriptions of Men under the Notion of the Orders of the Church of Christ to become a Bond on others to obey though they see it not their Duty on the other hand Shewing that the Place where Christs Government hath been is and ought to be exalted is in the Heart and that 't is not in the Power and so cannot be the Duty of man to establish that Government which is already on Christs Shoulders Given forth in the Year 1676. By WILLIAM ROGERS 1 Cor. 3.11.21 For other Foundation can no man lay than that which is already laid Let no man Rejoyce in Men. To the READER THE afore-mentioned Treatise of R. B. is the first that to my Remembrance or Knowledge is under the Name of one called a Quaker extant in Print whereby the Adversaries to that Antient Truth whereof they have been Witnesses may have Cause to be Jealous First That that People who have been so great Contenders against that Spirit which would have enforced Outward Forms and Orders of Men relating to Conscience though under the Notion of Assemblies calling themselves the Church of Christ should now be more exercised to encourage their Brethren to follow the Orders Traditions Examples or Commandments of any relating to Matters of Conscience and the Things of God though under the most plausible Pretences whatsoever than that never-erring and infallible Guide which hath been so often exalted amongst them viz. Christ's Light in the Conscience Secondly That though the People called Quakers have pleaded much for the Exercise of their Consciences and for the Liberty thereof which one Eminent amongst them hath described to be a meer Liberty of the Mind in believing or dis-believing c. Yet there is amongst them who hath endeavoured to insinuate a Belief that the Church in matters of Conscience may not only give positive Sentences which may be Obligatory upon Believers but also that the Pretences of any refusing to submit on account they see it not will not excuse them from being really guilty of disobeying God and yet doth not manifest by any outward Description Where or What Assembly is the Church of Christ Now though I cannot vindicate the Author of the said Treatise from giving occasion of these and such like Jealousies yet I know there are many of those People yet in being whose Integrity to God is so great whose Steadfastness in the Unchangable Truth is so sure and whose Understanddings in the pure Principle thereof are so clear that they give not occasion for such Jealousies but have a Testimony in their Hearts against all such that do knowing this that whosoever builds on any other Foundation than that which hath been already laid viz. Christ the Lord to whom all Power is given to Rule and Reign and who alone is Lord over the Conscience and the only Law-giver shall be confounded and brought to nought W. R. The matters occasionally discourst in this ensuing Treatise are in some measure described in what followes First I Affirm that though there hath been and ought to be a Government in the Church of Christ unto which every Member of the said Church ought to be subject yet it doth not appear that the Outward Form thereof and all Matters cognizable thereby are so exactly described in the Scriptures or else where as that the Members thereof by any such outward Description as a sufficient meanes may so exactly be exercised therein as to find acceptance with the Lord of Life That at this day nothing can be truly called the Exact and perfect Order of this Government but the Power of God and so hath it often been testifyed by the People of the Lord called Quakers which power is of Ability to establish Man but Man not of Ability to establish it and that the Power brings forth its own Form in every Member according to the measure of God's Grace inwardly given received and obeyed and yet I am abundantly satisfyed that Set and Appointed Meetings on certain Prefixt Days being with the joynt concurrence of those Members assembling and from time to time to be assembled to take care of the Poor and discharge other charitable Duties to inspect Marriages that none come together disorderly and to take care that Truth may not be Scandlized through the Backslidings of such who have been in
Basis and Foundation To which I thus say This kind of Language with respect to divers Practices in Discipline amongst the People called Quakers or any outward Form and Order which is or hath been by any called the Order of the Gospel I do not understand to be rightly applicable to those amongst the said People who have retained their first Love to and Savour of the Truth and right Understanding of the Principle thereof not that I would hereby be understood that it s not necessary to be in the Exercise of Outward Order with respect to that Gospel-discipline which becomes the Church of Christ but that which I understand not to be rightly applicable unto them is manifested in what follows Though the principle of Truth in these latter dayes hath and may further lead into the Practice of Outward Order in Discipline with relation to the Church of Christ yet I affirm that part of that Outward Order in Discipline wherein divers of the People of the Lord called Quakers have been acted is such as that there is not the least Footsteps thereof to be found in the Scriptures as exhorted to or as practised by the Apostles I could give many Instances hereof but one shall suffice viz. The Form of Proceedings in Marriages wherein the Scriptures are wholly silent as to the Primitive Christians and tho the Papists pretend to Tradition yet the People of the Lord called Quakers do not Besides 't is evident by the Scriptures of Truth that the Apostles were found in the Practice of that which the People called Quakers do not only out of Conscience to God forbear but have had many Contests with others touching the same as esteeming it though permitted for a season by reason of the Weakness of the People amongst the number of those Outward Ordinances out of which the Lord hath at this day gathered his People witness Water-Baptism The word Order with respect to Outward Government Establish't by the Church of Christ over it self I remember not in the Scriptures of Truth yet much of late is spoken of the Order of the Gospel and of establishing the same and that with respect to Outward Prescriptions and Orders practised or endeavoured to be introduced amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers and in perticular R. B. Page 40. speaks of the Truth and Faith we have been and are in the Lords Hands building up To which I say The Consideration that Christ is the Truth and the great Power of God and that an Establishing in the Faith cannot Properly be termed A building up of Faith gives me occasion to treat a little touching the words establish and build up We know from the testimony of truth in our selves as well as from the Scriptures of Truth without us that we may be Instruments in the hands of the Lord to build up one another in the most Holy Faith in Christ the Truth the Power of God but 't is neither agreeable to the Testimony of Truth in us nor yet the Scriptures of Truth without us for any to account themselves of Ability to establish God's Power for its that by which the World was made Now the Order of the Gospel is the Power of God and nothing else according to the declared sence of our ancient Friends can properly be called the Order of the Gospel but the Power of God for though some outward Form or appearance may be according to the Order of the Gospel yet it can no more properly be called the very Order of the Gospel than the Fruit of a Tree can be called the Tree it self and therefore those who pretend to establish the Order of the Gospel may as well pretend to establish the Power of God it self 'T is true this Power is of Ability to establish Man in the Faith of God's Elect but Man is not of Ability to establish it those who understand the Nature and Tenours of the two Covenants may easily discern the Truth hereof Under the First Covenant which was outward the mind of God was manifested to the People from the Priests Lips which were to preserve Knowledge and this Covenant did consist in divers Outward Ordinances c. establisht and impos'd upon the People until the Time of Reformation Under the Second Covenant being the New Covenant or Gospel dispensation the Mind and Will of God is manifested in his People through the Revelation of his Spirit according to that of Paul Rom. 1.19 That which may be known of God is manifested in them Christ also said John 14.26 The Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name he shall teach you all things The Law under this covenant is written in the heart Heb. 8.10 11. I will write my Law in their Hearts they shall not teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother saying Know the Lord for all shall Know me c. Here 's not the least ground of encouragement for any man under the New Covenant which was not to be like unto the Old to pretend that Gods Spirit doth or will lead any to establish Outward Orders relating to matters of Conscience as the Order of the Gospel for if that which is to be known of God is manifested in us then though it may be needfull to stir up according as the Lord shall move in his servants the pure Mind in us that so we may be in the Exercise of what God requires through the maifestation of himself in us there is no need to establish any thing without us to shew it If the Spirit of Truth is to lead into all truth those who would be leading us in another way will prove little better then Thieves and Robbers which Climb up another way to enter in than by the door If the Law be written in the heart and that no Obedience finds Acceptance with the Lord but Obedience to his Law from an inward Impulse and Drawing of his Spirit thereunto in our selves there 's no need of establishing Outward Indispensible Rules which may relate to the Conscience to walk by for were it possible so to do and any should yield Obedience on no better ground then because'tis so establish't by such a Man or Assembly of Men this sort of Obedience would find no more acceptance with the Lord than the offering of Swines flesh or the Halt and Blind for a Sacrifice under the First Covenant did For though many may be so Weak as not to know the difference between the two Covenants in some respects yet there are Few of the Lord's People called Quakers but have this undoubted Truth sealed in their hearts That none of their Outward Practices under the Exercise of Christ's Government find's acceptance with the Lord but as they have an Evidence in their Consciences that therein they Answer the measure of Truth in themselves Paul writing to the Colossians thus saith As ye have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk in him Rooted and built up
in him stablished in the Faith Col. 2.6 7. And then the very next verse saith Beware lest any man spoyl you through the Traditions of men according to the Rudimnets of the World and not after Christ If the following outward Decrees Precepts Sentences Decisive Judgment or Traditions of any sort of the Church had been in Pauls ' Eye a real and certain Indication of being Establish't in the Faith or rooted in Christ or that 't was the Practice of the Church to be Establishing Outward Indispensible Orders relating to the Consciences of Believers I leave it to the Judicious Reader to savour whether Paul would have so immediately and as it were in one breath caution'd them to beware of being spoyled through the Traditions of Men c. without a further Caution to take heed lest they should account the Commands Sentences Decrees or Traditions of the Church such These things considered and compared with the Measure of Light in our selves I am satisfyed 't is not agreeable to Truth for any Man or Assembly of Men to atempt an Outward Indispensible Establishment of Outward Orders Rules and Decrees relating to Matters of Consciences under the New Covenant as the Orders Rules and Decrees of the Church of Christ Moreover if Christ did stand in need of Assistance to Establish his Government how is it possible that Man whose dayes are but as a span long should be capable to Establish that Government of whose increase there shall be no end but so it is that he doth not stand in need thereof For the Son that is given shall Order his Government and Establish it with Judgment and with Justice even from henceforth and forever read Isa 9.6 7. Besides if we do but consider where and after what manner the second appearance of Christ hath been and yet is to be expected and waited for those who know the Truth as preach't received and believed amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers in the Beginning do know That his Second Appearance hath been and yet is to be expected and waited for in the hearts of the Sons and Daughters of Men and the manner of his appearance hath been and is by his Spirit in us this hath often been testifyed and that in opposition to those who have been looking for his Second Coming in some Outward Bodily Appearance to reign as Lord and King I now appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences Whether the Outward Establishment of Outward Government under the notion of Christ's Government doth not seem to square more with the Principles of such who look for his Second Coming in some Outward Bodily Appearance than with the Principles of those who conclude his Second Coming to be by his Spiritual Appearance in the heart and whether it be not inconsistent with Right Reason and Truth to conclude that Christ Jesus the Lord will Establish his Government otherwise than by his Spirit and in the heart where his Appearance hath been and is to be expected and waited for And since it is undoubtedly so that of the increase of Christ's Government there shall be no End I cannot understand to what End any Man should concern himself to consider how far it may extend yet R.B. hath so done Witness his 37 Page where he thus saith It is next to be considered in what Cases and how far it may extend To which I cannot but thus reply Those who are not Puft up with Spiritual Pride or Zeal without Knowledge may easily discern from such kind of language a Spirit that would Limit the Holy One of Israel by putting Bounds unto that Government of whose increase there shall be no end and though I speak of Man's inability to Establish Christ's Government yet I would not be understood as one accusing the aforesaid Author or any else to assert Man's Ability so to do For I know not any Men that will pretend themselves in that Case other than Instruments in God's Hands But yet this is to be Observed that since there is no Ground to believe that God everwill make use of Man under the New Covenant to Establish outward indespensible Orders Rules or Decrees to be as a measuring-line whereby those who are under Christ's Government shall be known therefore 't is reasonable to conclude That the endeavours of such who may exercise themselves therein may proceed from no better Power than that Ability which is of Man And notwithstanding he hath considered how far it extends yet I find not that he hath made any mention of the Business or at least a part of the business of one considerable Meeting which is a part of that Government or Order which he pretends to discribe and that is a Meeting held every second day of the week wherein writings treating of Divine Matters and which are intended by the authors for publick view are first viewed in Order to an approbation or the contrary * Witness the Paper at the latter end of this third part signed by Charles Marshal and thirty six more at which meeting his Treatise was past which gives occasion to treat a little of that Meeting since those of that Meeting are as well concerned in the said Treatises as he that writ it The Scriptures of Truth as far as I Remember are wholly silent as to any such Service acted in any Meetings amongst the primitive Christians and therefore I do not understand that there can be any real Ground or tolerable pretence that this is a part of the antient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ We find the Apostle Acts 3. directed to chuse seven men full of the Holy Ghost to take Care that the Widdows should not be neglected in the dayly Ministration If the Holy Ghost in the Apostles days directed to chuse a certain select well qualifyed Number of men for such a Service as doubtless it did it s against right reason to suppose that the Apostles would in their day have left the consideration of such weighty matters as Treatises of things relating to the Kingdom of God and the salvation of mankind to the Approbation of an uncertain unselected Assembly for such I call that Meeting wherein many of the Writings of the People of the Lord called Quakers intended for publick View are approved or disapproved for that no Certain Select Number of Persons are chosen for that service but any Persons who have Publick Testimones for the Truth though but by way of Exhortation and are owned as Friends of Truth and come where that Meeting is appointed are the Persons by whom such Writings whether given forth by a Paul a Father or a Timothy a Son as are for publick service are approved or disapproved I now appeal to the impartial understanding Reader whether according to this form of Government one that is in the place of Paul a Father who according to the aforesaid Author hath right to rule over and command may not have the testimony which he hath through the motion
declare the Intent of his Mind and are not the slip of his Tongue or Pen But how unreasonable it is that Matters of Worldly Property and things relating to Conscience should be decided by such Assemblies without an Election for that Service by the Parties differing I shall leave it to the Judicious Impartial Reader to savour having elsewhere in this following Treatise plainly evidenced that there may be such Assemblies and yet not owned by the Lord for the Church of Christ and so may be remote from giving Righteous Judgment though R. B. saith Gods Spirit will never bewanting in such Assemblies And whereas some may be so charitable as to conclude R. B. intends not by his words that any should assume Authority to decide Differences relating to Outward Things without consent of the Parties concerned to such I say He hath left no room for a reasonable Man so to think because he hath written several Pages to prove his Assertion which in that case is all unnecessary for who can be so Ignorant as not to know that Persons chosen by the differing Parties have of Right Power to decide but if any should I know that R. B. is none of them my Acquaintance with him tells me not only so but also that he is a man of better reason than to have written so many Lines on this Subject without telling the Reader so if that had been his meaning Besides if the Assent of Parties was intended and that the Order of this Government reach'd not to this Case without such assent it naturally follows that the Power and Authority pretended to in this Case is none at all And now that the Reader may not have a misunderstanding of my Sense in relation to Differences touching Outward Things I have this Testimony on the behalf of Truth to give on this Occasion viz. That as on the one hand I do conclude 't is contrary to the Truth for any number of Men under the Notion of the Church of Christ to assume a Jurisdiction over their Brethrens Properties and Worldly Concerns when not chosen by consent of such over whose outward Concerns they assume Power to Judge so on the other hand if Differences arise between Brother and Brother I do conclude that going to Law before Unbelievers is an Indication that one or both are departed from the Truth and that it is the Duty of Such who are at Variance to request such Brethren as are Skil'd in the Matters touching which they differ to hear and determine the Cause and then of a willing and ready Mind and not as by Constraint to submit unto such Determination and that it ought to be as an Incombent Duty on the Members of Christs Church to be watching over one another so as that by wholsom Counsel Admonition and Sound Doctrine all Variance Strife Emulation Rents and Divisions both in relation to Temporal as well as Spiritual Matters may as much as in them lies be kept out from amongst the Members of Christs Body R. B. asserts Page the 11. That the Ground of Schismes Divisions or Rents in the Body is when any Member assumes another Places than is allotted it or being gone from the Life le ts in the Eye that watches for Evil. This Position is Truth and rightly Stated but yet notwithstanding I cannot but Testify that if any Member of Christs Body doth recommend that Administration or Operation wherein by Gods Spirit he is Exercised unto his Brethren and shall Judge all such Dark Spirits and out of the Unity of the Body who on such a Recommendation become not Exercised as he is or doth not immediately close with his Experience and Operation though otherwise Faithful to the Measure of Grace received such an one so Judging may justly be Judged of the Lord as a Person not only assuming another Place in the Body than is allotted him but also as endeavouring to draw others into the like Snare for that it is as probable that a true Member of Christs Body may be as remote from having Experience of his Brothers Operation as the Ear of the natural Body may be from discerning what the natural Eye doth see and yet the Ear according to that of Paul 1 Cor. 12.16 may as truly be accounted a Member of the Body as the Eye 'T was an Exhortation in the Beginning of the Day which in these latter Years hath Dawned amongst us Though thou grow but slow yet grow sure This sure growing was Obedience after Convincement or Obedience to the Measure of Grace received All Performances before with respect to Worship or Services for God were accounted but Will-worships or Will-services and therefore many whose Faces were Sion-ward did rightly testify on this wise I must stay until I be Convinced and since I see not this to be wrong I dare not be in the Practice of another thing contrary thereto lest I become a Will-worshipper And yet this kind of Language is according to my Understanding too reflectingly spoken of by the afore-said Author witness his 13th Page This puts me in mind to signify what the Apostle Paul said 1 Cor. 12.3 No man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Ghost 'T is the Fame of Truth that Jesus as in himself is Lord and so we know a wicked man not acted by the Spirit may say these words Jesus is the Lord Yet none can in Truth say Jesus is Lord in them but by the Holy Ghost from whence I observe That no Testimony though ever so true in it self can become the Testimony of Truth in any further than through certain Conviction it s known to be so even as Jesus cannot in Truth be called Lord by us until by his Spirit we are convinced and experimentally know that he is Lord in us And therefore I cannot but say 'T is savoury Language to say I MVST STAY VNTIL CONVINCED though R. B. as his lines to me import accounts such Language to be a Reasoning Truth from ones self through the deceitfulness of the Serpent querying How did they meaning the primitive Labourers amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers knock down this manner of Reasoning But doubtless herein he hath abused both himself and the Truth not so much for that he knowes no other than by report whereof he treats as to this matter if his meaning be That the primitive Labourers in the Gospel at the beginning of that Day which in these latter Ages hath dawn'd amongst us did condemn such kind of Language but for that many of those who yet remain witnesses of the first gathering remember no such thing Those who at this day say We were taught to follow the Light in our Consciences and not the Orders of Men and that we will not have Man to rule over us utter Language becoming Christians notwithstanding R. B's Reflection on such kind of Language as this also in his seventeenth Page For Christ in this day as well as in that day wherein Truth was
neglect of their own Gifts And so such may become but little honour to the Brother who Ministred in his own Gift as the Oracle of God and not only so but little credit to the Truth if such by medling in things without their Line bring forth Confusion and Disorder For what can be the Off-spring of such who labour and travel in the things they understand not but the Brats of Babylon Besides those who are of such forwardly spirits as to pin their Faiths on other Mens Sleeves and say Amen to what other Men say before they have an Understanding opened to see the same may oft times approve notwithstanding this usual saying Can the Brethren Err of such things which are not ministred as the Oracles of God though pretended so to be And if any whose Understandings God hath opened to discern this kind of weakness in such who boasting in other Mens Lines of things made ready to their Hands in very deed take too much upon them do out of true Love endeavour to convince them that so they might wait on their own Gifts There are some ready to bring forth what befel Corah Dathan and Abiram because they said to Moses and Aaron Ye take too much upon you and what befel Miriam because she said Hath the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses hath he not spoken also by us and make such a use of these Scriptures as that they give occasion of Jealousy to some to conclude That there are some do believe that God hath raised up some Outward Person to be amongst the Children of Light at this Day like unto Moses and as he was in that Day amongst the Children of Israel Amongst the Children of Light in these our latter Dayes I never understood of any deserving an higher Title than an Elder or Ministring Friend But if such mean That God hath raised up any Outward Man or Men from whose Lips Gods People must at this day receive the Law of Christ and Record it in Books for Generations to come as his Law I know there are many of the Children of Light who retain their First Love and Integrity for the Truth to this day and Honour enough in their hearts for every Brother both Younger and Elder that keep faithful in their Place and in very deed take not too much upon them can receive no such Testimony not only because they know it to be against the Nature of the Second Covenant to expect such an appearance but also because they believe that Christ is that Prophet whom the Lord promised He would raise up like unto Moses whom we are to hear in all things and that his appearance is and will be in the heart where his Voice as a Law-giver is to be heard and accordingly to be obeyed Thirdly Though I pretend not to know the Occasions whereon the Apostles writ further than the Scripture manifests yet I do know how Truth was Preacht in the begining amongst those who through the Power thereof being gathered were called Quakers and that many would have undoubtedly fallen both on the right hand and on the left should the antient Labourers after they had been Instruments in the Lords hands to gather Thousands unto the Truth have thus said We are your Fathers who in Christ Jesus have begotten you through the Gospel and we have on that foot a certain Authority in the Power over you and to command such things as are needful for Order and Vnities sake and that there lyes an Obligation on you to Reverence Honour and Obey us And though you are our Witnesses that we have often Declared that our Commission from God was to turn People from Darkness to Light and from the Power of Satan to God that so they might all come to be Ordered and Governed by the Appearance of that Power in themselves Yet we did not mean but that when we had gathered any unto the Truth we should be those who ought to have the Rule over them and that such should observe our Traditions or follow us without giving them a Reason why And though they might in truth be submitting themselves one unto another in the Lord according to the Apostles Counsel yet all of them must submit to us and Reverence Honour and Obey us and not think it any Contradiction to the being led by the Measure of Gods Grace in themselves Should our antient Brethren Labourers in the Gospel have thus said I do not see that therein they would render themselves of another mind than R.B. is of if his Lines may be lookt upon as the product of his Mind but should they have so done doubtless as I have said before many would have fallen and Jealousies have enter'd the breasts of Thousands That though these our travelling Brethren exalted the Spirit of God in man as the only sufficient Rule for man and declared that the Scriptures were not a sufficient Rule to man yet in stead of leaving us to that Rule which they have declared to be sufficient they strain that which they have declared not sufficient to make it as much as in them lyes a Rule for them to Rule over their Brethren R. B. in his first Section which treats of the Ground and Cause of the Controversy speakes Page 15. of a sort of Persons that would needs be Innovators and given to change and introducting New Doctrines and Practices not only differing but contrary to what was delivered in the Beginning and Page 17. speaks of such who with swelling words talkt of and Preach'd up a higher Dispensation To which I say This Language leaves the Reader still Ignorant of what sort of Persons they are he hints at for that he tells not his Reader what was delivered in the Beginning and what is introduced contrary thereunto neither do I know how he well could unless by report from others since his Age would not admit him as a sufficient and sensible Witness thereof I shall therefore take the pains to do it for him The Doctrines delivered in the Beginning were chiefly these and such like viz. That a Measure of Christ's Light and Grace of God was given to every Man to profit withal that this Grace was sufficient that that which may be known of God was manifested in us that the Scriptures were not the Rule but the Spirit that that which was not of Faith was Sin that we should draw Water out of our own Wells let it be your own and not anothers that we should not boast in other Mens Lines of things made ready to our hands but that since every one must give account for himself we should see for our selves believe for our selves and savour for our selves and not pin our Faiths on the Sleeves of any lest we should become Will-worshippers But now there are a sort of Innovators given to change who introduce such Sayings and Doctrines as these are First That this Light will undo all or at least a Pretence to the Light which I
part of the Glory of that Administration under which Thousands in these Nations were gathered unto God did consist in this that after they had been wandering from Mountain to Hill from under one form and outward Church-fellowship into another they came to be turned to the sure guide in themselves Christ's Light and warned not to look out neither to be in the Lo here 's and the Lo there 's but to be faithful to their Own Measures for that according to Pauls Testimony God's Grace was given to every one according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ But to return Let us examine how he proves his first Assertion viz. That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversie the Spirit of God to give Judgment through some or other in the Church of God so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so termed His Proof is on this wise For the first saith he To those who believe the Scriptures there will need no other Probation than that of the 28th of Matthew and the 20th And lo I am with you alway unto the End of the World And Vers 18. And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it How this proves the Matter to me appears not for these Scriptures do neither expresly nor by any natural Consequence say That any Assembly is the Church of Christ which may in any tolerable supposition be so termed nor yet speak any thing of Controversies arising amongst the Members of the Church of Christ Had he brought the first Scripture to prove that Christ would be with such whom he at this day makes use of to Teach all Nations as he did his Disciples at that day whilst they should teach to Observe the things that Christ to whom all Power is given commands not the Commands of Assemblies which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ but the things that Christ Commands he had exactly hit the Mark But as to the Matter the aforesaid Author seems by his Words to drive at 't is far from being to the purpose And as to the second Scripture had he brought it to prove That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church which is built on the Rock Christ 't would have answered the End But alas 't is far remote from proving that God's Spirit will appear to decide Controversies in every Assembly that in any tolerable supposition can be termed Christs Church And so I cannot but conclude that these and several other Scriptures which he hath quoted as Proof of his Assertions seem rather strain'd to Vindicate what he asserts than that his Assertions are according to it on which hand he saith in his Epistle to the Reader That both Papists and Protestants have greatly gone aside which might have been a Caution to him not to have Erred in the same Path as now he hath done Let us a little further examine his Words Tolerable Supposition When we are not certain of the Truth of any thing and yet are apt to think it is or may be so we commonly say My Supposition is that it is or may be so and though the aforesaid Author adjoyns to the word Supposition Tolerable yet that ascertains nothing it only imports such a Supposition may be sufferable that is may be suffered to be a Supposition not a thing that 's Certain There are Assemblies Obvious to every Eye that knows any thing of Christianity which cannot on any Terms be supposed the Church of Christ There are other Assemblies which have several Marks and Tokens of the Church of Christ so far as several things outward profest and acted may be such and yet notwithstanding not owned by the Lord as the Church of Christ The present Age as well as Ages past yields many Presidents to prove the same for that 't is Obvious there have been many Assemblies under various Forms who profess Faith in Christ Works of Righteousness and divers Truths owned by the true Church of Christ Now whether such things profest and owned may not be ground for a tolerable supposition that such Assemblies are the Church of Christ I leave to the Judgment of the impartial and Judicious reader having this further Testimony to add that the World hath too much been troubled with the Sentences Decrees and Decisive Judgments of too many Assemblies supposed to be the Church of Christ or that on tolerable Supposition have been so termed who have rather increased than ended Controversies as History doth at large manifest And since R. B. undertakes by Reason to evidence the same I shall according to the Line of Right Reason and Truth take upon me further to discover the Fallacy of his so confident Assertion The Qualifications of a Member of Christ's Body is Sanctification through the Spirit Wheresoever any number of Persons so qualified are Assembled in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ though they are of that number who are of the lowest Degree or Rank in the Body Now an Assembly of such Members may be as Insensible and void of Understanding in many Divine Matters and Mysteries relating to the Kingdom of God as the Ear of the natural Body may be Insensible of what the Eye doth see and so may have Cases of Controversies brought before them whereof they are no more competent Judges not being Gifted thereunto by the Spirit than the Eye of the natural Body is capable to distinguish between the Diversities of Voices and Sounds or the Ear of Diversities of Colours and yet may be all Faithful in their Places walking according to their respective Measures of Grace which God hath given them so that none can in Truth say such an Assembly may not properly be called the Church of Christ being built upon him their Rock and having perfect Fellowship each with other in the Life of Righteousness Obj. And whereas some may be ready to Object and say Why dost thou seem to reflect on this Sort of Language We must Believe as the Church Believes * Note This Question is stated in a Printed Book and publish't by one called a Quaker whose name is omitted for the reason mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. Is not the true Church in the true Faith and must we not either Believe thus as the true Church Believes or else do we not manifest both Folly and Hypocrisy to profess ourselves Members thereof Answer To this Objection having in my foregoing Lines used such an Expression I thus say The General Assembly and Church of the First Born are written in Heaven Heb. 12.23 But I do not find that this General Assembly set forth their Creed recorded on Earth by that I thus mean I do not find any certain number of Articles of Faith written in the Scriptures of Truth which every Member of this General Assembly did Believe and which every one who should come to be gathered into the Fellowship of Christs Body
Instrumental to gather though in R. B's Sense as is before manifested such are the fittest to rule over those whom they have begotten to the Truth but also over the Labours of others and then stile themselves the Church of Christ though not guided by the unerring Spirit so to do and then also pretend that they have Power in Cases that are matters of Conscience to give positive Sentences oblieging Believers to Obey Receive and Own the same and that 't is Disobedience to God not to submit to the Positive Sentences and Decisive Judgments of any Assembly or some or other of them which in any Tolerable Supposition may be termed the Church of Christ though we see it not and so by degrees may endeavour to divest Christ of his Government and Prerogative who alone is Lord over the Conscience and by his Spirit in us is become our only Lawgiver and who alone by the influencing Vertue of his own Spirit is able to bring unto that Love and Unity which through the Life of Righteousness finds exceptance with the Lord of Life William Rogers Having now done with the citation of what was writ in answer to the aforesaid Book of Government and considering that in the First Section thereof the Author as is already cited and Observed writ of a sort of Persons that would needs be Innovators and given to Change and introducing new Doctrines and Practices not only differing but contrary to what were delivered in the beginning and in Page thirteen seems reflectingly to treat on such kind of language as this I must stay till I be convinc'd as if such language was knocked down in the beginning and as may reasonably be taken from the scope of the said Book to reflect on such among the People called Quaker who are not so Zealously affected with the Outward Formes of Government under the Notion of Church-Government pretended to be establish't amongst them as the Author or Approvers of his Book were we think it necessary to cite a Testimony Publish't in Print by Isaac Penington the younger in the year One Thousand six hundred and sixty Being a part of a Discourse Entituled The Authority and Government which Christ excluded out of his Church c. And as it lyes all together word for word and not taken by parts and pieces here and there Our end in citing this Testimony is that the impartial Reader may consider whether the said Testimony hath any Coherence with that part of the said Book of Government which is Objected against by us or doth contradict any subject matter that we have treated upon The Testimony of the said Isaac Penington the Younger now followeth THe Apostles and Ministers of Christ came from Christ with a Message of Life and Salvation with a Testimony concerning the Good Will of God and his Love to Mankind pointing out the Way from Death to Life from Bondage to Liberty from Wrath and Destruction to Peace and Salvation What they have seen what they have felt what they have tasted what they have handled what they have found redeem and deliver them that they declare abroad to others as they are moved as they are sent as they are guided and assisted Now that which they preach to is Mens Consciences in the Sight of God They open the Truth which they know they give their Testimony in the Moving Leading and Power of the Spirit and they leave it to the same Spirit to demonstrate it to Mens Consciences as it pleaseth They are nothing they can do nothing they cannot convert any Man to God but the Power that speaketh by them the same Power worketh in other Mens Consciences at its Pleasure And here is the beginning of the Government of Christ in the Heart when his Truth carries Conviction with it to the Conscience and the Conscience is drawn to yield it self up to him then he lays his Yoak upon it and takes upon him the guiding of it he cherisheth it he cleanseth it he comforteth it he ordereth it at his Pleasure and he alone preserveth it pure chast gentle Meek and pliable to the Impressions of his Spirit and as the Conscience is kept single and tender to Christ so his Government encreases therein but as it becomes hard or subject to Mens Wills so another Spirit gets Dominion over it Therefore the great work of the Minister of Christ is to keep the Conscience open to Christ and to preserve Men from receiving any Truths of Christ as from them further than the Spirit opens or to imitate any of their Practices further than the Spirit leads guides and perswades them For Persons are exceeding prone to receive things as Truths from those whom they have an high Opinion of and to Imitate their Practices and so hurt their own growth and endanger their Souls For if I receive a Truth before the Lord by his Spirit make it manifest to me I lose my Guide and follow but the Counsel of the Flesh which is exceeding greedy of receiving Truths and running into Religious Practices without the Spirit Therefore the main thing in Religion is to keep the Conscience pure to the Lord to know the Guide to follow the Guide to receive from him that Light whereby I am to walk and not to take things for Truths because others see them to be Truths but wait till the Spirit make them manifest to me nor to run into Worships Duties Performances or Practices because others are led thither but to wait till the Spirit leads me thither He that makes haste to be rich even in Religion running into Knowledge and into Worships and Performances before he feel a true and clear Guidance shall not be Innocent nor the Lord will not hold him guiltless when he comes to visit for Spiritual Adultery and Idolatry The Apostles were exceeding tender in this point for though they certainly and infallibly knew what was to be believed yet they were not Lords over Mens Faith but waited till he who is Lord of the Faith would open the way into Mens Consciences They did not take upon them to be able to turn the Key to let in Truth and Conviction into Mens Spirits as men in these Days have been too apt to undertake but directed them to him who had the Key there to wait for the Conviction and Illumination of their Minds and so to receive in as they found him give forth to them Let every man saith the Apostle be fully perswaded in his own Mind take heed of receiving things too soon take heed of running into Practices too soon doing what ye see others do but wait for your own particular Guidance and a Full Perswasion from God what is his Will concerning you Tho I know this to be a Truth yet do not ye receive it till God make it manifest to you receive Truth from his Hand stay till He gives it You. Indeed the main Matter in Religion is to keep out the wrong part the forward part the bastardly
birth from running into Duties catching of Openings and laying hold of Promises and to feel the Heir born of the Immortal Seed to whom all belongs and the other Birth never afterwards get up above him but be subdued and brought into Subjection Again sayeth the Apostle Take heed of doing any thing doubtingly be not forward be not hasty wait for the leading wait for the Manifestation of the Spirit Be sure thou receive what thou receives in the Faith and Practise what thou practisest in the Faith For whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin being an Errour from the Principle of Life which is to guide and thereby thou losest ground and dishonourest Christ and comest under Condemnation And so the Apostle warns Believers To take heed of drawing one another on too fast or of Judging one another in such things as some of them might have Light in others not He that eateth not to Judge him that did not eat and he that did not eat not to Judge him that did eat yea in Matters of Worship he that observed a Day and kept a Sabbath not to Judge him that observed not a Day or kept not a Sabbath For the Jews which were truly converted yet were hard to be drawn off from the Observation of their Sabbath and could hardly bear with the Believing Gentiles who were never taught to keep their Sabbath with them but were taught to esteem every day and sanctifie it to the Lord Rom. 14.5 And those who esteemed every day and dedicated it to the Lord ceasing from Sin and resting to him for under the Gospel we are not to set up a new Type but to enter by Faith into the true Rest which is the Substance of what the other signified could hardly bear with them who observed a Day Even in the Apostles Days Christians were too apt to strive after a wrong Vnity and Vniformity in Outward Practices and Observations and to Judge one another Vnrighteously in those things And mark it is not the different Practice from one another that breaks the Peace and the Unity but the Judging of one another because of different Practices he that keeps not a Day may unite in the same Spirit in the same Life in the same Love with him that keeps a Day and he who keeps a Day may unite in Heart and Soul with the same Spirit and Life in him who keeps not a Day but he that Judgeth the other because of either of these Errs from the Spirit from the Love from the Life and so breaks the Bond of Unity And he that draws another to any Practice before the Life in his own Particular lead him does as much as in him lies to destroy the Soul of that Person Vers 15. This was the Apostles Rule for every one to perform singly to the Lord what he did and not for one to meddle with the Light or Conscience of another undervaluing his Brother or Judging him because his Light and Practices differed from his Vers 10. of that 14th Chap. but every one to keep close to their own Measure of Light even to that proportion of Faith and Knowledge which God of his Mercy hath bestowed on them and here is the true Unity in the Spirit in the Inward Life and not in an Outward Vniformity that was not necessary in the Apostles Days nor is it necessary now and that Eye which so dotes upon it overlooks the one Thing which is necessary Men keeping close to God the Lord will lead them on fast enough and give them Light fast enough for he taketh care of such and knoweth what Light and what Practices are most proper for them but for Men to walk on faster than the Lord holds forth Light to them this overturns them raising up a wrong thing in them and the true Birth hereby comes to suffer to shrink and be driven back And Oh! how sweet and pleasant is it to the truly Spiritual Eye to see several sorts of Believers several Forms of Christians in the School of Christ every one learning their own Lesson performing their own peculiar Service and knowing owning and loving one another in their several Places and different Performances to their Master to whom they are to give an Account and not to quarrel with one another about their different Practices Rom. 14.4 For this is the true ground of Love and Unity not that such a man walks and does just as I do but because I feel the same Spirit of Life in him and in that he walks in his Rank in his own order in his proper way and Place of Subjection to that and this is far more pleasing to me than if he walked just in that track wherein I walk nay so far as I am Spiritual I cannot so much as desire that he should do so until he be particularly led thereto by the same Spirit which led me And he that knows what it is to receive any Truths from the Spirit and to be led into Practices by the Spirit and how prone the Fleshly Man is to make haste and how dangerous that haste is will not be forward to press his Knowledge or Practices upon others but rather wait patiently till the Lord fit them for the receiving thereof and fear lest they should receive and practise too soon even in that part which cannot serve the Lord. And this I can truly say concerning my self I never found my Spirit forward to draw any either to any thing I believed to be true or to any Practice or Way of Worship I observed or walked in but desired that the Power and leadings of Life might go before them and was afraid lest men should receive things from my hand and not from the Lords Yea and this I very well remember that when I walked in the way of Independency as it hath been commonly called I had more Unity with more Love towards such as were single-Hearted in other Ways and Practices of Worship whose Spirits I had some feeling of in the true Simplicity and in the Life than with divers of such who were very Knowing and Zealous in that way of Independency in whom a wrong thing in the mean time had got up which had caused them to swerve from the Life and from the Simplicity So that the true Church Government being in the Spirit and over the Conscience as in the Sight of God the great Care must be to keep it within its Bounds that nothing else govern but the Spirit and that the Government be extended only unto that which is to be Governed First Care must be had that nothing Govern in the Church of Christ but the Spirit of Christ that nothing else teach nothing else exhort nothing else admonish and reprove nothing else cut off and cast out Every Minister in the Church is to watch over his own Spirit that it intrude not into the work of God that it take not upon it to be the Teacher the Exhorter the Reprover c. And
boldness affirm he cannot but then appear guilty of great Confusion a taste whereof the Reader may have by duely weighing my 6th and 9th Observations annexed to this his Postscript I have never found occasion to repent or retract any thing from the Matter or Principle there asserted by me but have the Testimony and Approbation of Gods Light and Spirit in my Heart for my Work and Service in that Matter Moreover albeit I laboured with all the Care and Circumspection I could so to express my self as not to offend in a word yet had I known or could have foreseen that any thing in the wording or expressing thereof would have Stumbled or hurt any I have that tenderness and hope allways to have to the least of the Houshold of Faith that I would have rather omitted or changed any such words or Expressions than ministred them any Occasion of Dissatisfaction And therefore I was not a little surprised when I understood that several Sheets of Paper were spread abroad in Opposition to that Book of mine at a time when I was wholly a Stranger to these Proceedings by reason of my Imprisonment for the Truths Sake especially W. R. a Person who not only to my self but afterwards before many Witnesses professed a singular respect and friendship to me [b] [b] The Reasons of spreading my Answer to a part of his Book of Government before 't was sent to him were these First I was concerned in Conscience to detect the Errours as expeditiously as I could Secondly I did not know where to send unto him supposing that at that time he was beyond the Seas and though 't is said in a Letter which is pretended to he mine though never signed nor publish't by me of which more anon that my publishing thereof before I gave R. B. notice of my Objections and Intentions therein was not according to Gospel Order yet I disown that Expression because it cannot be contrary to Gospel Order to detect by writing Errours relating to Doctrine and Discipline that are in print and yet without once acquainting me W. R's Second Observation Now what followed upon my meeting with that Person at London near two Years ago will appear by a Copy of W. R's own Letter annexed hereto and the Sense of those Brethren who were Witnesses to that Transaction So that resting thereupon in my own Innocency especially since those in such places where the greatest Dissatisfaction was said to be did for the most part signifie to me their Satisfaction I forbore hitherto to meddle any more in that matter hoping it might have dyed of it self and being Conscientiously gathered in that Spirit wherein I desired rather to bear than by seeking too earnestly to vindicate my self any ways advance or foment Controversies among Friends by multiplying Papers having some hope he might according to the advice of the Brethren have called in his Papers And as to what related to me [c] [c] If that pretended Letter of mine expresseth my Satisfaction as to the Soundness of his principles and his sense of things scrupled yet there is not a word in the said Letter signifying that I mistook his book and if upon the debate of that matter R. B. in words declared himself otherwise principled than his book taught yet I cannot but now say he hath given me just Occasion to impeach him for a man of a stretch'd Conscience in saying as aforesaid thus I have never found Occasion to repent or retract any thing from the Matter or Principles there asserted by me his Letter sufficing W. R's Third Observation wherein he expresseth my Sense of the things scrupled by him to his own Satisfaction and his Belief of the Soundness of my Principles and truly I have been so willing to starve that Spirit that hath any life in Divisions or Controversies of this kind either in my self or others that since I read those Papers of W. R. at London now near two Years ago I have not so much as once looked out upon them until now And albeit I might have mentioned that Transaction without any disadvantage to my self but otherwise as most if not all at present can testifie yea W. R's own Letter doth import [d] [d] R. B. now seems to proclaim his own Vertue in not mentioning unless on Enquiry the matter between us insinuating that he might have mentioned it without any Disadvantage to himself and that in my own Letter I imported so much This I affirm is but a further Confirmation to me of his stretch'd Conscience taking Liberty to vindicate himself from that which forever will lie upon him to his Just Defamation until he repent as cannot but appear to every impartial and understanding Reader who will be at the pains to peruse his Book of Government my Answer and his Explanatory Postscript with the Observations thereon Yet I do not remember W. R's Fourth Observation that I did ever so much as once mention it to any unless their Inquiry occasioned it yea I have wholly concealed it to this day from divers Friends in whom I am nearly concerned and whom I know would be very apt to justifie and commend my whole proceedure in that Matter so unwilling was I to fill the Minds of any with such things being otherways weightily concerned as well with the Inward Work of the Lord in my own Soul as in those Concerns of Truths Prosperity both abroad where I had a Service and at home with respect to the present continued Suffering Friends lie under here But since he hath so far walked in another Method as to labour to keep up the Remembrance of those things and busie the Minds of Friends with them having as I am informed made a further mention of these Papers to my Disadvantage I am constrained to say something in my own Defence and of the Truths asserted by me wherein as the Lord knows the Integrity of my Intentions and the Tenderness of my Heart so I hope my way herein will commend it self to that of God in the Consciences of all the tender-Hearted [e] [e] Here a Letter pretended to be mine is again brought as Evidence though nothing to the purpose as before in the third Observation appears and not only so but seems to insinuate as if what is declared in that pretended Letter to be his meaning he will now give under his own hand which is a meer Fallacy in several respects as anon will be made appear for that his Postscript doth not manifest himself principled as that Letter expresseth Witness the 6th and 9th Observations And albeit these things W. R's Fifth Observation which were chiefly scrupled at by any be suffiently cleared by W. R's own Letter yet that all may be satisfyed in having them from my own hand I am free to signifie this as to them only I will permise this to the serious Consideration of not a few who seemed to be startled at that Book who
Nations are not to be blamed for all their Idolatry Wickedness and Superstition for that they are not sensible of the Evil of it whereas Truth teaches us to believe that had they been Faithfull to the small measure of Light in things more obvious it would have further opened and manifested other things Then should not the Jews have been condemned for crucifying Christ since Peter says they did it ignorantly and Paul testifies that if they had known they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory Yea then all those that persecuted and burned the Protestant-Martyrs were not to be Judged for it because they supposed they did well in it even according to Christ's Testimony who says that in killing you they shall think they do God good Service shall men then never be condemned for doing evil or omitting their Duty because they see it not what absurdity would folthereupon may easily appear and yet it is strange that W. R. in his Papers should labour so much against this affirming very positively that nothing ought to be given forth in the Church of Christ but by way of recommendation not of command wherein he doth either greatly mistake the matter as affirmed by me or otherways run into a far greater inconveniency than he is aware for if he mean that no man of or from himself only or by vertue of any office or place he either hath or hath born in the Church of Christ ought to Command any things to be performed in the Church I freely agree to it and have asserted the same in very full and ample termes But if he will say that no man albeit really moved by the Spirit of God ought to go further than a meer reomendation it is a most insolent limiting of God under a false pretence of Liberty will necessarily conclude that God hath not Power to command any thing unless men be content to agree to it For the Controversy is here drawn to a narrow Compass for he that will allow that God hath Power to command things to be practised in the Church and that those Commands must be conveyed by immediate Revelation through some of the Members of the Church and that it may fall out that some of the Members of the Church may thorough weakness or unwatchfulness not be sensible they must either acknowledge that such are to be condemned or say that God hath not Power to Command or that there is no such Revelations now a Days as do the Priests and Truths Enemies or that Man is not Condemnable for Disobeying God if he believe it not to be his Duty which is as much as to say that Unbelief is no Sin Now let these things be seriously considered how this is or can be avoided without granting the things affirmed by me for what way the Truth can be asserted the Honour and just Authority of God acknowledged the necessity and continuance of immediate Revelation affirmed and the Iniquity of Unbelief not justified and the just Judgement of God upon the Rebellious and Disobedient vindicated without affirming what I have done And if any can do this in words more wary than I have done I shall very readily agree to it For that things may be proposed to the Church by way of Command and further than a meer Recommendation the whole Current of the Scriptures shews not only to the Church among the Jews where Moses and the Prophets do propose the Will of God to be performed very positively and peremtorily but even under the New-Covenant as appears in the 15th of the Acts and in many places of Pauls Epistles particularly that on 2 Thes 3.14 If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This then being manifested with respect to those times I would know of W. R. whether Christ has now lost any of his Authority or has left off to rule his church immediately by his Spirit whether so to affirm be not grossely to contradict the Ancient and Primitive Doctrine of Friends W. R 's Tenth Observation [k] [k] This is not my Concern having given no Occasion in my Answer for this his Defence and therefore do make no reply thereto Fifthly Whereas some did suppose that I did make the Difference in the End but very small betwixt Decissive Judgement among Friends and among Papists and other Persons because I say they place the Decisive Judgement in the Plurality of an Assembly made up of their chief Teachers and Ministers and albeit I limit it not to that yet I seem to affirm That it most usually is so conveyed and so the difference only is that they make it always so and I most usually To this I answer that if in Charity I may suppose this insinuation comes not from malice at least it proceeds from great Ignorance of the Popish Principles and it were better for such to be silent than to Judge of things they do not understand for the Difference here is very Great and Fundamental in respect both Papists and others do affirm that men by vertue of an Outward succession or vocation may have true Right to sit and give Judgment in such Assemblies albeit they be void of true Holiness and have not the Grace of God which they say is no necessary qualification to the being of a Minister so that they Place the Power of Judgment not onely in the plurality of Votes absolutely in which we differ from them but also in the Judgment of such as may without any absurdity by their own Principles be supposed to be all and each of them void of the true Grace of God and whom even supposing them to be Gracious they Affirm not at all to be led by the immediate Spirit of Christ which they say is now ceased now can there be a greater difference than is betwixt these two to wit to affirm that the Power of decision is in an Assembly of men to being Members of which assembly the Grace of God is no necessary qualification and who deny any such thing as to be immediately led by the Spirit of Christ as a thing not attainable in these Dayes and yet that all Christians must be Subject to what the Plurality of such an Assembly so Constitute do determin And to Affirm that the Power of Decision is onely and alone in the Spirit not necessarily tied to a general assembly but if it please God to make use of such an assembly yet neither to the Plurality of them but in and thorough such of his Servants as he sees meet and that none are capable or can be supposed to be Members of such an assembly or esteemed such from whom such a Judgment can be expected or ought to be received unless they be men in whom the Grace of God not onely is but has truly wrought to mortify and regenerate them in a good Measure in whom the Judgment of Truth really
gave that Judgment had not then perused it And as to their saying 'T was to the great Derogation of the Christian Authority of the said Meeting meaning the Second Daies Meeting I have this to say That I never understood that Friends owned any Authority in any of our Meetings as a Christian Authority but the Power of God which is Invisible and cannot be diminished and therefore I may well query whether 't is not Great Weakness in any to conclude that I am capable to do any Action which can either lessen diminish or take from that Authority and I hope none of the said Subscribers are so remote from Truth and a good Understanding as to conclude that the Second Dayes Meeting hath any Authority given them by Man but if any should be so Weak I must tell such that as I never gave it any so am wholly uncapable by writing to lessen it if they have any And whereas 't is said that the Objections of the said William Rogers lay not so much against the Matter and Substance of the said Robert Barcly's Book as against the way of Expressing some Passages therein This I say is untrue my Objections were against the very Matter and Substance of some things contained in his Book On the whole matter I have this to say I could not obtain a Meeting of Friends to be chosen by Robert Barclay and my self though the Person immediately concerned which agrees not with the Examples of the Scriptures of Truth Read Acts 15.1 2. And that the aforesaid Eminent Preacher as the Mouth of others under the Notion of the Church Obstructed and though in the Meeting held Friends Deportment was grave orderly and inoffensive as to me ward whilst the debate on my Objections held yet I am greatly satisfied that by the Publication of the said two Papers every Impartial Reader that will be at the paines seriously to weigh the said Papers this Answer and Robert Barcaly's Book and Postscript may easily discern the Errour of Robert Barclay and Charles Marshal with the Thirty Six subscribers but those who will have an Eye to Papers and Bookes for the Writers Sakes more then for the matters Contained therein may in time come to have their Understanding so Vailed as to be brought to worship Images and to esteem * See George Fox his Book of Womens Meeetings wherein he queries and was not Micah's Mother a virtuous Woman Read Judges 17th and then a few Lines of these and such like Women were recorded for their Wisdom and their Virtue Michah's Mother a vertuous Women in Israel though she caused a Molten Image and a Graven Image to be made and put in the House of her Son Judges 17. If any should be offended at these Lines let such Exhort Charles Marshall and the other Thirty Six Subscribers concerned to make better Use for time to come of so much Condescention as appeared in me for the sake of Robert Barclay whom I once accounted my Brother when I perceived from the Words of Robert Barclay's Mouth that he appeared a better Principled Man than his Lines imported William Rogers The FOURTH PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate Innovator WHEREIN A RELATION is given of several Proceedings since George Fox's Wife caused a Paper dated the 21 th of the 11 th M on 1672. to be Read against Iohn Story in a Quarterly-Meeting in Westmoreland Therein signifying that he judged the Power of God as it broke forth in Hymns or Spiritual Songs And is chiefly to discover That George For hath Erroneously concerned himself in the Divisions amongst the People called Quakers Which therefore may serve for A WARNING TO THE Children of Light that their Dependency may not be on G. F. a mis-led fallible Man nor yet on any Mortal Man Men or Name whatsoever save the Name of JESUS who is given of the Father to be Salvation unto the Ends of the Earth By William Rogers Hosea 9.7 The Dayes of Visitation are come the Dayes of Recompence are come Israel shall know it the Prophet is a Fool the Spiritual Man is Mad for the Abundance of thine Iniquity and great Hatred Printed in the YEAR 1680. The FOURTH PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. THis small Treatise is chiefly designed to be Communicated unto those who profess the Appearance of Christ Jesus the Son of the Eternal God by his Light in the Consciences of the Sons and Daughters of Men to be a sufficient Guide unto the Father of Life The Faith of such is That those who receive this Appearance or Gift of God so as to Live and Walk according to the Divine Motions and Dictates thereof shall come to know the Salvation of God through Christ Jesus their Law-giver Lord and Saviour 'T is publickly known that this Principle of Truth hath been held forth and owned by those who in Derision have been called QUAKERS of whom it may be now said to the great Grief and Exercise of the Spirit of the Faithful Followers of Christ amongst them That though the Principle in which such of them who have received from God a Divine and Spiritual Knowledge have believed is Unchangeable yet the Enemy hath so prevailed as that the Seeds of Dissention and Discord sown amongst them have taken so deep Root as that their Publick Meetings for Worship in several Parts of this Nation have become the Stages of Contention to the Dishonour of God his Truth and People And in divers Parts of this Nation 't is reputed that George Fox is at least one of the Chief Abettors of one Party and Iohn Story of another But how far that Report may with respect to G. F. have Credit with others besides my self I shall leave to the Sense and Savour of the understanding impartial Reader when he hath throughly perused this Treatise And though from their Names mentioned in the Title-Page some may be in Expectation that the Difference between the People called QUAKERS with respect to the present Seperation in some Parts of this Nation may be Treated on at large yet that 's not my present Design or Purpose Though I must confess that Matter is at large Collected and impartially Stated and lies ready by me for the Press and in Probability may come forth or at least a Part thereof more than what is in this Fourth Part contained in its proper Time and Season unless the Lord shall be pleased to change the Hearts of the Persecuting Opposers of John Wilkinson and John Story and other Servants of the Lord unto whom the Truth is as dear as ever and that the Door may be opened again in our Publick Assemblies for Worship of God whereby those who have the Word of the Lord to Publish in the Demonstration of his Power and Spirit may not be so frequently obstructed by the airy imaginary and empty Discourses of such as have pretended to have the Word of the Lord to declare when
to set One of Vs against Another if you could through your hatching and sucking up such Lies as these Doth John Wilkinson or such as stand by him think thereby to have his lying Prophesie fulfilled who said when a Renewed Care in the Churches of God according to Gospel-Order sprung amongst Vs and a Testimony was born against Your Opposite Spirit That we should be broken to pieces Is this the Shift you are put to that he should not be found a False Prophet with a Lye in his Mouth to charge a Lye upon me to defame the Innocent withal My Observations hereon are these What John Blaikling accounts a Lye is only a Query relating to G. F. and John Blaikling and which John Blaikling gave me occasion to Query as in the latter Part of The Fifth Part of the Christian-Quaker will appear By which it evidently appears that in John Blaikling's Sense G. F. was one of those Vs unto whom John Wilkinson's Prophecy extended which was on the Occasion of the afore-said Queries and related to the Persons concerned therein Now forasmuch as G. F. spreads abroad the Post-script wherein 't is written as afore-said it naturally follows that he owns himself to be one of those Vs mentioned by John Blaikling and they were the Persons concerned in the Queries as afore-said I now come to signifie that after the afore-said Forty-Four Articles of Accusation were drawn up Robert Barrow c. all Informers against John Wilkinson and John Story writ to Nine other Persons whom the said Informers without Assent of John Wilkinson and John Story chose as Judges to Judge the Case thereby as I suppose to avoyd the Slander of being Accusers and Judges But John Wilkinson and John Story would not own their Authority and so refused to appear before them and thereupon they proceeded to Judge the Spirit that was guilty of the Things contained in the Forty-Four Articles without Exceptions which manifested their Weakness as not capable to discern between Good and Evil Since many of the Articles were Uncondemnable But forasmuch as it is not my present Purpose to cite the Particular Letters Passages and Judgment on this Occasion I willingly at present omit the same with this only Observation That I am well satisfied from the Observations and Matters already mentioned that G. F. was privy to these Proceedings and if he esteem Himself one having the Care of the Churches upon him as no doubt he doth he would in probability have been a Reproof thereto had he thought the Proceedings Reproveable This Judgment became a Concern on many Friends in the Nation so that several from London writ to Friends in Bristol to go down into the North to endeavour an Accomodation of the Differences for that divers Papers by this time both on the one Hand and on the other were spread up and down the Nation and Persons concerned came to be variously affected Such as believed G. F. to be what I know he hath described himself and that in my own hearing viz. One unto whom Infallible Iudgment hath been Committed in all Things and that he knew a State of Purity at Eleven Years of Age received sufficient Satisfaction that John Wilkinson and John Story and all at Unity with them were Apostatized when they understood G. F. owned them not Thus the Door became shut unto these whereby their Consciences might be satisfied of the Goodness or Badness of the Tree from the Taste of the Fruit as if this were Sound and Rational Discourse Alas I have an Inward Savour that the Fruit of the Tree is bad though I confess I have been so far from tasting of the Fruit as that I have never seen the Tree nor yet what kind of Fruit it bears more than by Report Here methinks this Observation and Objection may be urged as rational Obj. Thy whole Discourse seems to carry a kind of an Edge against the Spirit that of late years hath acted through G. F. of whom 't is certainly known from his Writings yet extant That he hath thus advised Take heed of Iudging one another and Iudge not one another I command you in the Presence of the Lord neither lay open one anothers Weakness behind one anothers Backs For thou that dost so art one of Ham's Family which is under the Curse and that there be no Back-biting behind one anothers Backs but Love And so the same that doth Condemn behind the Back is for Condemnation with the Light It also can be proved That his Counsel hath been To follow an Evil Report until the Original Reporter be found And his End I believe then was That Judgment might be laid on the Head of the Transgressor All which being seriously considered the Objector may then say Object How comes it to pass that many of his Actions come under the just Stroke and Censure of his own Words To this I say I know not how better to Answer than to testify That Pride must have a Fall and that my perswasion is the Lord hath suffered this great Evil to come upon him and to be thus manifested unto those who have professed his Name that they may have no dependency on any other Name that may be given under Heaven but the Name of Jesus the Eternal Son of the living God and that every one that hath made a Profession that the Appearance of Christ by his Light in Man is sufficient to guide such as obey the same unto the Father of Life so they may not be led by the subtil Crafts and Inventions of Men to leave that Teacher and have their dependence on the Lines of others made ready to their Hands though under the very Pretence of being the appearance of the Light it self For under that Pretence Satan in many Ages past hath shrowded himself as an Angel of Light on which Subject a large Volumn might be Written most evidently to illustrate the same which I omit now being not my present Business This my Sense and Answer on the last Observation and Objection I am now sensible may create in some this further Objection Object What cunning Devices have been used amongst the People called Quakers whereby the Weak and most Ignorant Sort amongst them have been so ensnared as to Judge from a pretended inward Sense that the Tree is bad when the Person so Judging hath neither seen the Tree nor Fruit nor yet knows any thing thereof more than by Report To this I Answer That some amongst them known to stand by G. F. even in the vindication of many Errors whereof G. F. is Guilty to the dissatisfaction of a very great Number amongst the People called Quakers have publisht with Seeming Zeal and Thundering Lungs such like kind of Doctrine and Exhortation as this Away with this Iealous Spirit Oh Friends exclude the Reason the Wisdom and the Iealousy and have an Eye to the Brethren If you do not see your selves then follow us that do see And no doubt but this Doctrine hath
Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which ye have given forth in your Separation which tend to nothing but disquieting Friends Minds and bring them into Strife Jangling and vain Disputing and corrupt their Minds and draw them from better Things and from the Lord and his Peaceable Truth And you may see if you will not shut your Eyes what your Spirit begetteth into viz. Strife and what Spirit is it that hath led and guided you So if you do not give over your Work and Separation the Lord God will blast your Spirit and Work and you will become hardned and as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman and Cobet and Muggleton Mark your End for the Seed of Life Reigns and will grind to Powder its Opposers This 23 d. of 8 th M on 76. George Fox To the afore-said Letter John Wilkinson returned this ensuing Answer George Fox I Received thy Lines in which thou say'st This is the Word of the Lord to you John Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which you have given forth in your Separation c. I judge thou meanest not that that is a Separation that all Friends meet not Outwardly together Truly George we might have expected thou would have told us in Love what the Separation thou speakest of consisted in whether we are separated from the Light within the Doctrine of Truth or have builded again that which we have once destroyed or what we have left undone that God's Truth in our Hearts requires of us and what Papers we have given forth against the Light Within When the Word through thee concerning this Matter enters our Hearts and gives Light to us that the Light of Truth manifests us guilty of a Separation from God's Truth and Giving out Papers against it we shall readily confess it and Repent But till we know it the Word of the Lord that is as a Hammer and thy Prophesies be to them who are in the Separation and in Strife causing Divisions viz. with Articles of Accusations disquieting Friends Minds with a New Form and Way of Proceeding carryed on with a Profession of Church-Authority and great Help which indeed was seldom wanted in a Separation from Truth when the Apostacy entred And truly there is great Cause of Iealousie what will be the End of these Things Thou shouldst have told us what new Things we have brought in as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman c. before thou hadst told us The Lord God would blast your Spirit and Work And if James Naylor's Opposition consisted in Not Reproving his Company when they bowed to him and cryed Hosanna let it be a Warning to thee and Reprove thy Company when they give thee the Titles and Honour due to the Highest lest they that love Preheminence and Rule out-live thy Time and render thy Weakness to others as thou hast done his when thou art Dead and in thy Grave turned to Dust Therefore be Humble as a Member of the Heavenly Body under Christ the Head who Ruleth in his Church and People whose Right it is And remember the word to Moses with the time and place of his Death who sanctified not God in the sight of Israel his people Oh! well may Friends be called Apostates in their Day and be Curst of Men when they are Dead whose Condemnations are left on Record by others to Posterity in the Churches Books seeing James Naylor by thee is called an Old Opposer who confest his Weakness Repented and Dyed in Truth and Peace with God But George we might have been perswaded that thy Counsel and Advice thou gavest to the Churches in writing is greatly abused and we cannot Judge how thou couldst intend Force or such a way of proceeding with Friends about them That which I see at present tending to Vnity is for thee to Manifest what thou intendedst by them if thou intendest no force with them which thou couldst not do in Truth for that would let thee see Divisions would be the effect of them then manifest the Abuse they have done to thee and thy Counsel to Friends by their proceedings about them that we may know that thou art the same in Principle in Doctrine and Practice as in the beginning when thy Testimony was recommended to the Witness of God in all Consciences that thou mayst clear thy self that thou approvest of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered that the encrease may be of God and we all unto whom Gods Love hath been large may have Vnity in Truth as in the Beginning The 9th Mth. 76. From thy Friend John Wilkinson Unto this Letter George Fox gives this ensuing Answer John Wilkinson I Received thy Letter as I judge Subscribed J. W. wherein thou wouldst seem to shuffle off that which I writ to Thee and John Story and the rest as the Word of the Lord to you and that I should have told you Wherein you were Separated and what Papers you have given forth contrary to the Light and Truth c. Your Paper of your Eighty Subscribers is not from the Light of Christ nor as it was in the Beginning which you sent up and down and if it was not to beget into Strife Why did you send it to Carlisle and up and down to other Places and another Paper lately that you have sent besides all your other Papers And as for my Papers or Writings that I have been moved of the Lord to give forth I know no Friends that do abuse them if thou knowest any thou shouldst have mentioned them And if thow wer 't not Blind who art gone from the Light of Christ and the Spirit by which thou wast first Convinced thou wouldst see that I am the same as I was in the Beginning And as for thy Fear of making Force in Religion there is nothing but what is Pure can come into it But look into your own Paper wherein you say None of your own County nor other Counties must sit amongst your Chosen Men but whom you have given Power unto c. But I say as Christ said unto you He that Believes is Saved and he that Believes not is Condemned already And thy Neighbours and all that have been concerned with you do know what you are Separated from And I say also You are Separated from that Power and Spirit which did first Convince you for if not you would have been in Unity with me as at the first And thou hadst better have taken the Word of the Lord patiently and not resisted it But it seems it has been as a Fire unto Thee and You. For it was sent in Tenderness and Care unto you and for your Good though thou wouldst make thy self ignorant of what Separation you were gone into For you are separated from the Inward Light and Spirit that
but to stir up Strife and to sow Discord But Are not David and Manasses and Peter and many others their Sins recorded and their Repentances and Changing recorded in the Holy Scriptures And What needs John VVilkinson be afraid and trouble himself about the Recording the Condemnation of Sin and the Resurrection of the Just But Who has cursed David or Peter or any other whose Condemnation of Sin and Repentance and turning from it is Recorded or called them Apostates And What Spirit is this in John Wilkinson that would not have such Things recorded now which the Spirit of Truth recorded in former Ages Surely it is not the Spirit of God nor Light of Christ For if they be Sins private that only the Church knows them then they go no further than the Church But if they be open Sins to the World amongst Sinners then their Condemnation and Repentance must go as far as the Fact is known But if John VVilkinson be afraid lest he should be Curst and his Company and counted Apostates to Posterity if their Failings Sins and Transgressions should be Recorded Truly without your Repentance they will be Recorded and it would be well if you did Repent and Condemn them for then your Resurrection would be Recorded out of this Apostacy Else you need not question standing upon Record And they that have been led by you into a Separation and now come off from you do not bless you as several have declared So you bring that upon your selves which you think to avoid But Why shouldst Thou and You be so afraid of having your Repentance from Sin and Evil Actions recorded which you have committed in grieving God's Spirit and his People and opening the Mouthes of the World without a Fear of being Curst or counted Apostates Is this the Cause you would hide your Sins and have no Testimony given forth against you If Thou and You have such a Love to them Thou and You may keep them but the Truths Testimony will stand against all that is out of the Truth And there are Condemnations upon Record ever since 1652. so no new thing amongst us but according to the Light of Christ But the Lord knows I would have nothing but what is Pure to Rule and Reign and all Sin and Evil to be Condemned and that which is Private to be only amongst Friends and that which is Publick to be publickly Condemned to the World And if the World should say Such a one did so or so there is a Testimony upon Record that such an one was Converted and Translated to Posterity as David was from the Evil to Good and from the Darkness to the Light And had you continued in the Light of Christ Jesus and in his Spirit that led the Saints to condemn those Evils which are Recorded in Scripture and to Glorify God in their Resurrection you would never have been in Opposition against the Church of Christ's Practice now in such things by the same Spirit you call it a New Way And that which would not have Sin and Evil condemned and condemns that which Records it is for Condemnation For instead of being Curst as thou sayest them that do condemn Sin and Evil and arise out of that which is condennied and this being Recorded to Posterity the Church and their Relations can testify to their Change and their Dying in the Lord. But I am sorry for you the Lord God of Heaven knows that you should dishonour the Lord God and his Truth and People in the North and have separated from the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you For had you been in the Love and Spirit you would have been in the same Love in the same Gentleness and Meekness and Wisdom that is pure and easie to be intreated as it was in the Beginning And so you have lost that Glory that was in the Beginning and your Nakedness is discovered that the Priests Justices and Drunkards can say That the Quakers are Separate one from another And look into your selves if there be not a Froward Stubborn Self-willed Spirit and Rough and Short that now may talk of the Light of Christ and of the Spirit and would have Liberty but is to be Reproved and well it would be for you if you would turn at the Reproof And whereas thou speakest of a Way of coming into Unity Alack for thee If thou wast in the Universal Spirit and Power of God that is over All thou wouldst not make such a Noise about Imposition For indeed it is the very Spirit of Imposition in Thee and You that does not know what it would be at it self nor to what to bring others And much I could say as to that But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the Unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and Meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your Way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since And then in that Spirit there is no Fear of Imposition but Everlasting Unity in the Everlasting Seed that bruises the Head of the Serpent and all his Sons of Belial that are without the Yoak and are afraid of it Now there are them that would not be Yoaked with the Law of God nor with the Gospel nor with the Word of God which is a Hammer and a Fire and this is counted Imposition by such to be Yoaked and Hammered down and to be Reproved and Rebuked and Admonished this is Imposition and Over-driving though the Power and Spirit of the Everlasting God leads to it which Spirit of God sanctifies and exalts God with a sanctifyed Spirit and reproves all that which dishonours him or would defile and walks not in the Spirit by which the Body of Christ is Baptized and made to drink into And the Spirit of God charged and warned and reproved all the Unruly and charged the Faithful to stand fast and Admonished as in the Scriptures may be plentifully seen And what Is this Imposition and Force think you which God's Spirit led the Prophets and Apostles unto and had no Fellowship but with them that Walked in the same Spirit Or Will you say There is not the same Holy-Ghost now as was then Yes I must tell you the same and all that keep in it are in the Holy and Eternal Fellowship and it leads to the same Practice now as then And all such as the Apostles admonished to have no Fellowship withal as in their Epistles and in Jude Might not those have cryed Imposition as well as you And whereas thou speakest of a New Way and a New Form carryed on with Church-Authority c. This is the Priests Old Spirit that used to tell us of our New Way and Where was our Religion Twenty Years ago But
now Query of G. F. whether these Bodies which the Apostle Paul termed the Members of Christ's Body were not the same in which the Holy Ghost dwells and the Life of Jesus was manifested And if so then according to the Apostles Doctrine Mortal and convertible unto Dust And whether or no an exclusion of all mortal Bodses whatsoever from being concerned as Members of the Church which is Christs Body be not the very ready way whereby all Liberty and Looseness that 's pleasing to the mortal Body may be Indulged and Nourished And not only so but whether the Men and VVomens Meetings will not Fall of Course and so no such Places where those who as George Fox saith are Heires of the Power may go to in Order to the taking of their Possessions as George Foxe's Language in his aforesaid Letter is 'T is further to be observed that G. F. hath not yet done with these VVords turned to Dust but proceeding asketh John Wilkinson this Question Must that which Sanctifieth God be turned to Dust I thought John thou hadst owned Christ to be the Sanctifier of all who is greater than Moses and the End of Moses but John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord To this we Answer If G. F. who is a Mortal Man was capable to Sanctify the Lord as in his own Sense by his following VVords he seemes to be why doth he so impertinently let his Pen run by way of Reflection on John Wilkinson for using Scripture-Language so seasonable and so pertinent as he did Doubtless the Reason was a Fretful Peevish Angry Spirit then possest G. F. So that we may in his own Language used in his Letter to John VVilkinson say to him 'T is a Spirit that doth not know what it would be at it self but if G. F. had not been Capable to sanctify the Lord he is Manifested a Scoffer to ask the afore-said Question viz. But John wherein have not I Sanctified the Lord However let his Mind Sense Meaning or End in so Querying be what it will we shall undertake to give thereto this Answer viz. G. F. hath not Sanctified the Lord in writing his Book of VVomens Meetings which consists of Ninety Six Pages in Octavo and in all the Book throughout we do not find above half a side and that also scattered here and there that treats of that Service for which the Meetings of VVomen were chiefly understood to be held and that the Drift and Scope of the rest of the Book seems to be chiefly for Proof of Womens Offering Sacrifices Preaching Teaching Exhorting Admonishing Prophesying Governing Judging Singing Dancing Playing upon Musick and that Micah's Mother an Idolatrous VVoman spoken of Judges 17th was a Vertuous one and that the Assemblies of the Women did continue amongst the Jewes till they went into Transgression but yet Quotes for Proof of the last Assertion only 2 Kings 23. which mentions nothing to his purpose of VVomens Meetings more than that good King Josiah broke down the Houses of the Sodomites that were in the House of the Lord where the VVomen wove Hangings for the Groves which good King Josiah burnt Neither do we believe that he hath Sanctified the Lord in Accusing John VVilkinson and John Story for Tyth-Payers or Conniving at others Paying for them as in his aforesaid Letter he as we take it doth though they are therein esteemed to be greatly Abused and Mis-represented and we never understood it could be proved against them But that which aggravates G. F's Sin is That he hath been guilty of Advising Two Persons to buy their Tythes which is equal to a Continual Payment viz. Nathaniel Crips of the County of Glocester for one and Robert Arch living but a few Miles from the said Crips for another as they are ready to testify unto any Enquiring Reader and as in the Twenty-First Section of ‖ Note 'T is the Second Part of the Manuscript first mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. this Second Part by their Testimonies appears G. F. tells John Wilkinson thus But that whereby you may come into Unity it must be in the unlimited Power and Spirit and Light that did first Convince you and brought you into Unity and meeting without Prescription of your Elders or Deacons or your Members So your way to come into Unity is to come to the Light and Spirit that did first Convince you and judge and condemn this Spirit that hath led you into Separation with all its Works since and then in that Spirit there is no fear of Imposition And in another Place of the said Letter G. F. saith I told you That if you did not come to that which did first Convince you and bring all others whom you had drawn into a Separation with you to condemn it the Blood of all them would be required at your Hands And that was and is the Word of Truth to you and will stand and is sealed These Sentences of G. F. do lead us unto these necessary Observations First That the Way to come into Unity is to come to the Unlimited Spirit and Light that did first Convince them and bring them into Unity had G. F. ended his Method for Unity here he would have said that which would have Answered Gods Witness in our Consciences but though he talks of coming to the Unlimitted Spirit yet his following Language seemes a Design so far as he is Capable to limit the Spirit by adding these Words viz. and Judge and Condemn this Spirit that hath led you into a Separation with all its Works since by which Comparing his said Words with his aforesaid Letter to John Wilkinson and John Story dated the 23 d. of the 8 th Moneth 76. we take him to mean all those Dapers given forth since the Outward Separation which being without any Exception and Compared with the Matters occasioning the said Outward Separation seems to Import that in G. F's Sense the Antient Friends of Truth must of necessity be departed from the Light and Spirit if they cannot Conform to some Outward Methods in relation to the Management of some outward Affaires that some of his troublesome Party would Impose on the Chosen Friends for the outward Services of Truth Oh Grosse Darkness But that which seems to manifest his Darkness yet more gross is this his Letter to John Wilkinson Informs us That such meaning as his Words to us Import such with whom he is at Unity need no Outward Prescriptions that is written with the Spirit of God in one anothers Hearts to gather them withal On this we observe that unless another thing preserves those who are gathered than that which gathered them there is then no need of Outward Prescriptions for those that are gathered unto whom only the Government contended for reacheth and if so which in Truth cannot be denyed why must these Antient Friends who have been Convinced by the Light and Spirit of God be Reckoned had and such whom God will Blast
a Greater thing to give up the Life and Soul and to dye for the Lord Jesus than to give up the Goods and Estates and suffering the Spoil of the Goods for Christ's sake and Worshiping of God and whether or no they that cannot suffer the Spoiling of their Goods for God and Christ's sake Worship's sake can give up their Lives and suffer for Christ who hath dyed and suffered for you And whether or no they that make away their Estates to the VVorld lest they should lose them for the Worship of God do not they distrust God of keeping them whose they are indeed and have more belief and trust in the World than they have in God And whether this Spirit that doth so is not the Spirit of the World that doth lust to Envy and not the Spirit of God and his VVisdom but that which is Earthly Sensual and Devilish that would have its Liberty and not the wisdom that is above that is Pure Peaceable and easie to be entreated And whether he that will save his Life and not lose it for Christ's sake doth not he think to be his own Saviour and not Christ And whether he that will save his Estate and not lose it for Christ's sake and the Worship of God by making it away to the VVorld in time of sufferings shall not lose it And so whether it 's safer in this case to make away your Estates to the World that cannot save its own or to make or commend it into the hands of God Creator of all and Jesus Christ by whom all things were made who upholds all things by his VVord and Power and the Great Lord of Heaven and Earth and all things therein and which out of his hand a Sparrow shall not fall without the VVill of him that made them George Fox Read this amongst Friends and send a Copy of it to Naylsworth The aforesaid Paper being read in the Mens-Meeting of Friends in the City of Bristol VVilliam Rogers bore testimony against it in the meeting at the same time as that which reached not his Conscience coming from G. F. and had therefore a Concern upon him to write an Answer thereto which follows GEorge Fox having by his Paper dated London the 4th Month 1678. proposed many Queryes and caused them to be read in our Mens-Meeting of Friends in the City of Bristol it is now with me being present in the said Meeting at the reading thereof to write something in Answer thereto to be read in the said Mens-Meeting and as his was ordered to be sent to Naylsworth I desir that this also may be sent thither to be read amongst Friends and also sent to G. F. that so he may Answer the Queryes I now propose The above-recited Paper I take to be wholly made up of Queryes to all those who do make away their Estates for fear of the Spoilers in time of Persecution excepting this one sentence of Exhortation viz. Do not distrust and despair of God Almighty his protecting and delivering you with his Almighty Power The queries being contracted amounts to thus much Are you sensible the Earth is the Lords and that he giveth the Encrease and that how he may try you whether your Minds are in the Creatures or with the Creator and whether it is not a greater thing to give up the Life and to dye for the Lord Iesus than to give up Goods and Estates whether those that cannot suffer Spoiling of Goods for Christ's sake can give up their Lives whether those that make away their Estates lest they should lose them for the worship of God do not distrust God of keeping them and haue moâ—â— Belief and Trust in the World than God and whether this Spirit that doth so is not the Spirit of the World that doth lust to Envy and not the Spirit of God and his Wisdom but that which is below which is Earthly Sensual and Devilish that would have its Liberty Ans To the Exhortation I say 't is in itself good but would have much better become the Mouth of G. F. if when the Persecutors came up one pair of Stairs in our Meeting-Room in Broadmead whilst he was speaking he had not been of such a Spirit which some may term Distrustful and Despairing as on a sudden to step down and hasten out of the Meeting at a Back pair of Stairs which he once did and of which my Eyes with many more were witnesses Besides I query of G. F. whether he doth not remember that when the Souldiers or some other Persecutors came to a Meeting in or near London at a certain time when he was there he did not go out of the Meeting and betook himself to an upper Room or Cock-loft For so have I been informed he did and that by a person of known Credit and Repute then present at the Meeting who as he said had discoursed with him at that time and place near half an hour and if Report be true this is but very little of what might at large be manifested to prove him one of the greatest Fleers and Shifters in time of Persecution that ever I knew professing the Truth and esteemed by others a faithful Friend As to the queries I have this to say that the Earth is the Lord's that he giveth the Encrease that 't is a nearer thing to part with Life than Estate that 't is the Duty of a Christian to offer up both Life and Estate rather than to depart from his Testimony for the Truth when the Lord calls for it I am also sensible there is a Spirit that lusteth to Envy dwelling in such that would lay heavy Burthens on others but not touch them with their little Fingers themselves and that this is not the Spirit of God nor his Wisdom but that which is Earthly Sensual and that would have its Liberty I am also sensible that this very Spirit hath lately and yet doth dwell in G. F. if God hath not given him Repentance And therefore if any of you unto whom these Lines may come may think that this my sense of G. F. be not true I desire such for the Truths sake to use their Endeavour that G. F. may Answer these following Queries viz. Queries to GEORGE FOX I. Art not thou the man that hast taken Liberty to stay almost a Quarter of a year from Meetings or at least a considerable time though held in the very House of thy stesidence or if thou didst at any time come within the aforesaid space whether it was not so seldom that it became matter of Exercise to other Friends for thy sake and did not John Blaykling by Name manifest his Burthen and Exercise of Spirit on thine and the Truths behalf for thy so doing and didst thou not after he had so done a little amend in that Case II. Wouldst thou not have accounted this in another to be the Fruit of a Careless Slothful Negligent Libertine or Dark Spirit that was either departed
or departing from the Truth III. Hast thou not a sense that thy aforesaid Paper of Queries may cast a Line of Reflection on every one that may secure from the Devourer any part of that outward Substance which God hath given them to maintain their Families and yet art not thou sensible that thou art the Man that hast advised the Rich to secure Worldly Estate that so the Persecutors might not become Spoilers thereof And if so IV. Will it not evidently appear that these thy Reflecting Queries are the Fruit of that Spirit that lusteth to Envy and appears with two Faces V. Dost thou not remember that at a Quarterly-Meeting in Glocester-shire suddenly after thy last departure from Bristol there was a Person that judged me not sit to judge in that Meeting because I had secured part of my goods without Doors though I had left * Note My Fines have been above ninety pounds Sterling and I have more than double that value unsecured and subject to the Spoilers at the place of my Residence besides what hath been distrained from me already Enough subject to the Spoilers besides and dost thou not remember that none of the said meeting declared any Approbation of his so doing and that thou thy self then present manifested a dislike thereof as well as several others after thy usual manner thus Whisht Whisht Dost thou not also remember that I then signified to this effect If what I had done was a crime those who were accounted as the chiefest amongst us were guilty of Crimes of the like nature Dost thou not remember that nothing was then said in Answer thereto either by thee or any other and if 't was then a Crime why didst thou not then inform the Meeting and to speaking thine own Language become a reproof to that Spirit and to me in particular If it be not a crime why hast thou sent forth thy Paper of Queries which plainly carries a Line of Reflexion on such as have or may secure from the Spoiler when I cannot but believe that thou dost know those who have not accounted their Lives too dear to offer up for the Testimony of Truth Witness many faithful Friends in Reading or near it and would not have departed a foot from the Meeting where their testimony for truth hath been concerned though thou hast proved a Shrinker have notwithstanding secured their Estates for their Families and never have been exhorted to the contrary or reproved by thee so far as ever I could hear VI. Whether thou hast not contrary to thy own Conscience and thy former Counsel written thy Paper of Queries to gratifie that envious Spirit which exclaims against me for securing Part of my Estate And whether thou therein hast hot acted that behind my Back by directing it to be read at the Meetings which I have and usually do frequent that thou wast either afraid or ashamed to have spoken to my Face in the hearing of others lest openly in the view of the Country thou shouldst have been detected for appearing with two Faces for so do I now believe thou hast manifested thy self and that one of these Appearances is but the Fruit of that Spirit in thee which lusteth to Envy because I remember not that ever I heard before the time of my late securing something from the Persecutors that any Friends judged one another in that respect or that any from a Principle of Conscience refused to do the thing that I then did which was no more than what I often have done when there was occasion for the Preservation of my Outward Estate in that day wherein thy respect was most unto me though now this must be made use of as the only Matter of fact to stain my Reputation and to render me one that 's out of Truth VII Whether it be not better to secure a man's outward Substance to pay his Debts and maintain his Family when he is capable so to do and keep stedfast in his Testimony at Meetings than when Persecutors come to shift out of Meeting whereby both Body and Estate too may be saved as thou hast done VIII Whether it be better so to do as aforesaid than to let all lie open to the Persecutors and depend upon thee and to solicite at Council board Thy Language to Thomas Pierce of this City occasions this last Query which as he hath said was on this wise or to this effect What would you do were it not for Me and a few more to appear for you at Council-Table or before King and Counsel IX Whether thy writing so much of trusting God being compared with thy aforesaid Boasting Language to Thomas Pierce which hath proved but like a Reed of Egypt shews not confusion X. Whether it be fit for one that feeds of the fat of the Land and lives in fullness of Plenty attended in many respects like an earthly Prince and that hath twelve or thirteen hundred-pounds with the increase thereof for many years if any be well secured out of the reach of the Spoilers and Persecutors to admonish a company of Poor Innocent Harmless Friends that may have three or four Cows a piece to feed themselves and Children not to secure them from the Spoilers and if it be not fit for such an one so to admonish I then query Whether thou art not the man that art so qualified and who in effect hast so admonished XI Whether a man under the aforesaid Qualifications and Circumstances can by such an admonition as aforesaid answer God's Witness in the Consciences of such to whom he is so known especially when no better Care is taken by the Admonisher for the Relief of such when their all is gone than this viz. Never heed the Fleece will grow again don't despair trust the Lord spread your sufferings before the Judges be careful to send your sufferings to the quarterly Meeting that so they may be brought up once a year to London to be recorded XII Whether or no a suffering for the Testimony of such False Prophets as Solomon Eccles hath proved himself to be as is manifest by his prophesying John Story 's death within one year and since expired can be called a suffering for the Gospel of Christ and if not whether it be not better to secure ones outward Substance from the Spoilers than to let it lie open to be taken away for Fines imposed for the preaching of such False Prophets and since 't is said Solomon Eccles manifested the same first to thee I query whether thou wast not an Encourager of the said False Prophet because 't is said he cryes thee up as one that 's greater than Moses or whether thou didst become a Reproof to him XIII Whether or no it be not the fruit of an Englighmed Understanding in those who are called dark Spirits to secure what they have from being taken away for Fines imposed for the babling of such whose great business at Meeting is to rail against