the Consederates to an absolute submission to the King and his Lieutenant in that Kingdom and yet now since his Majeslyes happy restauration sixty nine only of a great body of 200. Clergymen at home in Ireland should be found to appear professing so their Allegiance to his Majesty And yet also these very few so professing to be therfore and only therfore by their Aduersaries without any feare or shame opposed yea to their power persecuted This is Mr. Walsh a rational doubt if rightly proposed You mistake the question it ought to be this How coms it to pass that of the great and numerous body of the loyal Irish Catholik Clergy that approued themselues so in the occasion of tryal an 1648. there should be found so many as 69. an 1662. that subscribed to Peter Walsh his Remonstrance so destructiue to the Kings safety right and authority as he hath bin demonstrated Now I will solue this question Yow know Mr. Walsh when ambitious and irregular Friars who aspire to Bishopriks and hate the pouerty and disciplin of their institute want friends and money they inuent twenty deuices to compass both Now Redmund Caron and you were resolued to be Bishops the one of Armagh the other of Dublin You despar'd of obtaining Miters by your merit and the ordinary wayes therfore you resolued to fright the Court of Rome into it by setting vp this your Remonstrance and including yourselues into ecclesiastical and state affairs you importun'd two great Ministers of state to countenance the pressing of your Formulary vpon the Irish Clergy and Gentry which had so faithfully serued and followed the King in the worst of times by shedding their bloud and spending their Estates in his quarrel that they needed not any paper instrument to manifest or confirm their loyalty And though the Ministers knew this very well and vnderstood as well that it was not any good zeal but your ambition and couetousness which moued Caron and you to buisy yourselues in a matter very improper for your calling and much aboue your capacities yet for reasons best knowen to themselues and common to all statesmen they were content to let two such fellows as you preach and press a Formulary which they foresaw would diuide the Catholiks amongst themselues discredit their Religion and giue the gouernment the color and aduantage of excluding from their Estates many meriting gentlemen for not professing that allegiance which learned Friars of their own persuasion maintain'd to be absolutely necessary in a faithfull Subiect So that your Remonstrance serued to exclude many honest men from their right but neuer restored any to his inheritance though many foold by you and Caron put their hands to it in hopes of receiuing therby the benefit of the peace 48. As for your 69. Clergymen that subscribed the Remonstrance yourself doth confess pag. 578. part 2.1 Treat Som fell off immediatly after their signing in the yeare 1662. Others were content only to haue sign'd it like so many Nicodemus de nocte not acknowledging amongst the Opposers what they had don Som who albeit they had sufficient iudgment to guide themselues or their own personal duty in order to themselues alone yet had not those abilities either to persuade or satisfy others Finaly there was not wanting amonst them a false and treacherous troublesom and impudent Brother c. who discouered all might do them prejudice and betray them too wherin soeuer he might I see Mr. Walsh that of your 69. Ecclesiastical subscribers som fell off immediatly others durst not own their subscription others knew not how to iustify it and one false Brother betrayd your Councells or cheats The matter is wors than I thought I pray how many able constant subscribers are there left in your Remonstrant Church When you petitioned the King and Councell in its behalf against the titular Archbishop of Dublin you could name but seuen and four of the seuen fell off then and I belieue the other two haue don the same since What A Church and none but one Friar Walsh to profess its Faith Is AntiChrist com Euen in his time the Professors of Christianity will be more then one One makes no Congregation and by consequence no Church But you say pag. 577. the deceased Bishop of Dromore Oliner Darcy was one What then Doth his authority weigh more than that of all the Bishops who condemn your Remonstrance I abstain as much as I can from censuring the dead but I can not well in this occasion you relying so much vpon this deceased Bishops authority who was the only that subscrib'd to your Remonstrance This obliges me to diminish a litle his credit Father Iohn Talbot of whom you said when he dyed as if it were a rarity or kind of miracle There lyes one honest Iesuit assured me that after his Brother Sir Robert Talbot had with the rest of the Commissioners at length concluded with my Lord of Ormond the peace of 1646. Sir Robert went in great hast from Dublin to Conaght where General Presion then was with his Army and persuaded that General to haue the peace proclaim'd in the head of the same A litle after the Nuntius began to treat with you and Friar Oliner Darcy before he was Bishop of Dromore who was General Preston's Ghostly Father and vpon that score could do much with him Sir Robert Talbot hauing bin made Prisoner for his zeal to the Kings seruice and to that peace charged his Brother Iohn Talbot to keep still neer General Preston to the end he might keep him constant to the peace for that he feard Friar Oliuer Darcy vpon the hopes which were giuen him of a Bishoprik would make the General alter his resolution F. Iohn Talbot did so and hauing certain intelligence that Friar Darcy had vndertaken to the Nuncius to gain Preston to his party he ask't the General at Lucan whether he was still constant to the resolution he had taken of reassuming and adhering to the peace of 46. as he had lately promised to my Lord of Ormond He sayd he was and the rather because Friar Oliuer Darcy told him he ought to be so Father Iohn replyed my Lord will you giue me your word and hand to continue so though Father Darcy should aduise you to the contrary The General laught at the improbability of such a thing But the weak though honest General fell from his resolution by the Friars importunity who had bin gain'd by the Nuncius and vpon this Friar Oliuer Darcy was made Bishop of Dramore Now I will tell you Mr. Walsh how he came to be the chief subscriber of your Remonstrance Be not startled do not think I am a witch there are hundreds can tell you as well as I though you make it a secret This poor Bishop had the misfortune to hinder his Brother Sir Iâ—mes Darcy from doing his duty of following the King into Flanders with the Duke of yorks Regiment which he commanded when he receiued Orders to
least one who hath bin the better for his subscription A man would think that my Lord of Iueaghs extraction innocency and merit his breaking General Oneales Army his raising and loosing two or three Regiments in the Kings seruice his venturing himself and his neerest relations in the towns besieged by Cromuâ—ll his constant following his Majesties person and fortune in exile needed no further remonstrance of his loyalty but howeuer that nothing might be obiected against him he sign'd yours and yet is nothing the neerer his Estate I know you pressed my Lord Duke of Ormond very much in Sir Robert Talbots behalf saying it would be a great scandal if the only gentleman in Ireland who neuer would reiect the peace of 46. and sufferd so much vpon that account were not restored to his Estate and yet you see he was and his son is in the same condition with the rest of your subscribers But the most damnable cheat of all Mr. Walsh is that you made the subscribers belieue your Remonstrance was only a recognition of his Majesties supreme temporal authority and right to his Kingdoms but now you declare that it asserts all which the oath of Supremacy doth and that Roman Catholiks are rash and obstinat and by consequence commit a sin in denying to take the oath of supremacy wherof as was well known to such as refus'd to subscribe this your Remonstrance contains the substance which is that temporal Soueraigns may by their own sole authority gouern the Church and make lawes in Ecclesiastical matters euen of Faith To proue this and the lawfullness of your Remonstrance renouncing all those papalin or popish recusants doctrins against which the oath of supremacy was made and is tender'd is the subiect and scope of this great Tome of yours This is your own ingenious confession these your endeauors since the year 61. You should haue told this in the beginning to the Layty and to such of the Clergy as vnderstood not your design and doctrin Now that they all know both you must not admire if euen the subscribers detest you as a betrayer of their souls as well as of the Kings interest not only by your former actions but now also by your bookes and writings inculcating to all Bishops and other Churchmen that they commit a sin if as Churchmen they concurr and contribute with their reuenues or any other corporal means to preserue their King or to restore him if God should for our sins permit an other reuolution and that his right were possess'd by a rebel or Tyrant Is this Christian or Catholik doctrin Hath the spiritual calling or caracter of a Bishop or of a Clergy man such antipathy with the duty of a subiect and of spiritual Father that a Bishop or Priest must sin if either of them apply his temporal goods to the support of his lawfull Prince You may as well maintain that the caracter of Baptism or Christianity must make it a sin in lay subiects to defend or restore their lawfull Soueraign for Christianity is as solemn and spiritual a profession of following Christs doctrin as Episcopacy a Friar Walsh is half a Blakloist and Priestod is I see Mr. Walsh you are half a Blakloist Blaklow and you agree in saying that Subiects can not in conscience concurr to restore a dispossess'd lawfull soueraign but you say it only of the Clergy he of all You ground your error vpon the spirituality and supernaturality of the Clergyes caracter Blaklow vpon the nature of man which as that heretical Traytor pretends in his book of Obedience and Gouernment inclines him rationaly and obliges him to preferr his quiet and share of the human conueniencies of an vsurpt gouernment before the Diuine right which hereditary Soueraigns haue to be temporal Gouernors vnder God of their Subjects and the obligation Subiects haue to venter their liues and fortunes to assert that right and restore their lawfull Soueraigns in case they should be disposest therof It s no more a meruail to me that the b See Doctor Ceorge Leyburns Apology pretended Dean and Chapter of England which commended Blaklows doctrin as eminent after he had writ this destructiue Tenet did also commend your Remonstrance But I admire you should boast so much pag. 55. of their approbation as to print their Dean's letter to the Bishop of Dromore for an euidence therof Consider what credit can such mens approbation as cry vp Blaklows condemned doctrin and bookes for eminent be to yours I am sure such principles as these are not to be tolerated either in the Church or commonwealth Cease then to complain and to wonder Mr. Walsh that our King our Parliaments our priuy Councellors and the Lords Lieutenants of Ireland slight a Remonstrance and doctrin which doth inculcat or inferr so vnchristian Tenets as yours so destructiue to Monarchy and morality so incontinent with the safety of Soueraigns and the duty of Subiects What think you Mr. Walsh of the Clergy of France Do they sin when euery fifth or third year in their Assemblies they voluntarily tax themselues and giue so considerable summs to their King for his occasious They do not giue this help as temporal Peers or Barons of the Realm but as Bishops Abbots Priors Curats c. Do they sin I say in doing this Doth the Spanish Clergy sin in giuing their Milliones voluntarily and as a Clergy to their King Doth the Pope sin for concurring as Pope with them by Bull or licence for these donations If your Remonstrant Church had com to that perfection you flatter'd yourself with sure your Clergy would haue bin very rich for they must not haue giuen voluntarily as Bishops one penny of their Reuenues to the King to defend himself or the Kingdom against Rebells or foreign Inuaders But if an Impostor Commissary comes he way by a forged commission and the Popes authority impose a taxe vpon the Kings Subiects and leuy it by Excommunications and Censures Js your loyal Formulary and Reformation of the Roman Catholik Church of these last 600. years com to this Mr. Walsh Who is the Traytor who is the heretik You for your Remonstrance or all the Bishops in the world for taking the vsual oath at their Consecrations For shame Mr. Walsh repent retract and retire to your Conuent and neuer write more of matters you vnderstand not But before you retire I will solue a very curious and material question put by yourself in the page 579. of the second part of your first Treatise But if any demand saith Friar Walsh sect 2. pag. 579 how it came to pâ—ss that in the year 1648. there was so great and numerous a party of the Roman Catholik Clergimen of Ireland who together with Father Peter Walsh appeared so realy zealously constantly and successfully too for the King against the Nunâ—ios Censures of Excommunication and Interdict that they quite worsted the other side and preuaild euen for and to the actual reduction of
nation belieued you and D. Enos and by your means conceiued such hatred against their Countreyman the Duke of Ormond very popular before that time for his extraction and good parts that it could neuer be rooted out of their hearts nor put out of their heads but that he hated the royal family and his Countrey This made his most loyal actions and attempts if not successfull be look't vpon as so many plots to ruin the King and the only subiects then capable of helping him the Irish From hence proceeded the Towns refusing to receiue his garisons from hence the diuisions and diffidencies of the people and Clergy from hence the factions of Ormond and Oneal of old English and old Irish from hence the Censures and Declarations of the Bishops at Iameston against his grace from hence all other disorders wherof you and Enos are more guilty than the Bishops or the common people Mr. Walsh you may as well pretend this repetition and reprâ—hension of your Knauery is writ against the Lord Duke of Ormond as that the Dublin libel aymed at the most Illustrious Person of his Grace But I assure you I hoâ— or and loue my Lord Duke of Ormond and his family much more than you do And if you had had any respect for his Grace you would not pin yourself vpon him nor abuse the generosity of so noble and discerning a person who would easily perceiue if he had heard what others know how ill Englishmen must take his protecting and countenancing a suspected Murtherer of innocent English and one who by the great hand he had in reiecting the peace of 46. and therby vnsetling and diuiding Ireland concurr'd very much to the Murther of the late King This countenancing of you is the greatest fault I think can be found in my Lord Duke of Ormond There is not any who considers his descent and how his interest can not be separated from that of the Crown will entertain the least suspition against his Loyalty som indeed admire how so wise a man should think it the interest of the Crown to permit those who fought for it to be destroyd and disinherited and admire his want of memory in not remembring so many meriting men who lost all for the King and stuck to his Excellency as the Kings Lieutenant in all his misfortunes He hath forgot they say euen those few wherof the Act of Parliament puts him in mind by special name and therfore are call'd the Nominees But seing his neerest relations complain that they also are forgot we must not accuse him of any thing but want of memory especialy since he hath forgot your treasons Mr. Walsh as that of your wresting the Castle of Kilkenny out of the Kings and his own hands and deliuering it to the Nuntius But to conuince you and all the world of the veneration I haue for that great Minister's loyalty it is sufficient that notwithstanding I haue read D. Enos his libel and your approbation of it I shall still continue to think my Lord Duke of Ormond one of the faithfullest Subiects our King hath and the fittest to be employ'd in great affairs prouided he neuer belieues nor trusts you when he is satisfied that what is generaly reported and belieued of you is true Mistake me not Mr. Walsh I would not haue his Grace aduise to put you to death but would haue you not trouble him auoyd the occasion and retire into your Conuent But I feare you had rather venter hanging than do that If you be not guilty in Gods name make out your innocency The vindication or Dublin libel sayes you writ with your own hand that fatal excommunication of the Popes Nuncius wherby the Castle of Kilkenny the key then of Ireland was put into the Nuntius his hands and that with this Excommunication you marcht vp to the Castle gate in your Franciscan habit and fixt it therupon with the same hand which writ it What I know certainly is that this Excommunication writ with your own hand was deliuer'd to my Lord Iohn Berkley when he was Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and am confident he hath it still in his custody as an euidence of your loyalty and of your being a fit man to preach it to others To these three particulars of the murther of innocent English of your approuing Enos his libel against the Lord Marques of Ormond and reiecting the peace of 46. and of your wresting from the King by an Excommunication of your own hand writing and fixing the Castle and Citty of Kilkenny and by consequence the whole Kingdom of Ireland I expected a cleer and particular answer in this great volume of yours wherin you answer other obiections of less moment truly seing you named the Dublin libel me thinks you ought rather to haue confuted it at least briefly than spend so much time and paper in quoting the penalties which the Canon and ciuil Law prescribe against libellers For the sake of F. Peter Talbot the titular Archbishop of Dublin say you page 51. of your Preface and of his Complices I took the pains to quote these Laws and Canons Me thinks I say you ought rather for the sake of Friar Peter Walsh haue confuted the pretended libel then haue quoted the Lawes that punish Libellers because none can be punish't by such Lawes before it be proued that the writing is a Libel Indeed Mr. Walsh I was much surpris'd to see you remit English Readers a Pag. 50. for the confutation of these accusations into your latin Hibernica a book not as yet printed and when printed not vnderstood by the generality of the English nation which you ought to satisfy and cleer your-self from that horrid aspersion of Treasons and english innocent bloud cast vpon you you shall see how your titular Archbishop of Dublin doth cleer himself of what you haue printed to his disaduantage I thought fit to giue the publik a view of the letter he writ for that purpose to a friend of his who desir'd it to satisfy himself and others SIR I Esteeme the concern you are pleased to haue for my reputation as much as I do contemn Friar Walsh his calumnies I send you a short and true confutation of them to satisfy your-self and those friends you say are so desirous to see it As to what he sayes of my being dismiss'd out of the Society b b Pag. ‖ 528. Seqq. and of his own knowledge of the cause therof and of the person that procur'd it you may belieue him because he hath most reason of any body except my self to know it For when F. Richard Barton then Prouincial of England and his Soâ—ius F. Grey offerd to me in London very charitably as from Father General my choice of Province and College of the Society to liue and teach in prouided I would depart sudenly out of England I confess I was too positiue in reiecting that offer but they desiring me to take som time to
Ormond But what is most falsely asserted by Peter Walsh is that in my answer I did giue a touch of the murther he is charged with I toucht not any such thing I am sure I did not intend to be his Accuser in any cause of bloud and I hindred others from accusing him as my Brother Iohn Talbot had also don nay I had him aduertised of his danger by a friend of his own as soon as Father Cauenagh and Father Bremingham attested the murther at Castleton in presence of my Lord Dongan Mr. Chasles White of Leixslip my self and others For though his barbarous inhuman cruelty if what is said of him be true deserues ten thousand deaths yet I would not for all the world concurr to it The thankes he gaue me for letting him know his danger to the end he might retire to his Conuent and do pennance for his sins was to misinforme the honorable House of commons and the committee of Religion by one of the two Mr. Warnhams commonly known by the name of Flahertys Varnham that I did most impudently exercise papal iurisdiction in Ireland by excommunicating and censuring his Majesties most loyal Subiects for subscribing to the Remonstrance And though this was known in Ireland to be a fable yet Mr. Varnham and som others of Friar Walsh his friends auerring it to be very true I haue sufferd much vpon that account and that infamous Friar though a known Traytor to God and the King laught in his sleeue after abusing the Parliament with notoriously false informations and insults for hauing bin so succesfull in exasperating the Caualeer party against one who endeauored to serue many of them in their exile abroad as som of them since were pleased to teftify though too late for my relief and redress of the iniury don to me My buisness is not to exaggerat this mans misdemeanors but rather to warn him once more of his danger and aduise him not to be so publik in London frequenting great Prelats and Noblemens houses vpon whom he must needs draw inconueniencies if he doth not cleer himself of treasons and murthers better then by saying in his great english Tome of Irish Rapsody that all these accusations are lyes or libels of the titular Archbishop of Dublin or of his friends and then tell his Readers he will vindicat himself in his latin Irish work Me thinks he might haue reserued som of his vnnecessary vncouth speeches and tedious repetitions for that work and in lieu therof cleer himself of those foul aspersions at least in a parentesis som of his being long enough to weary any patient Reader and to iustify any honest man This I hope is enough to vindicat me from Peter Walsh his calumnies which do not much trouble me it being the greatest honor of an honest man to be raild at by an heretik I am Your most obliged Seruant PETER TALBOT Mr. Walsh I haue bin assured by credible persons that what this Prelat sayes heer of you and himself is very true and that a man would be laught at in Ireland where these things happen'd if he question'd so notorious matters of fact wherof there are yet liuing many legal witnesses This supposed I must needs blame you for printing such lyes to discredit a Bishop or at least for not prouing what you say of him by more credible arguments than the bare assertion of your-self in your own cause If you being but a priuat person and a petty Friar say pag. 51. of your Preface that the Author of the Dublin libel for writing against you som pretended vntruths ought by the ciuil lawes to be put to death and by the Canon of Pope Adrian be stript naked and whipt with scourges if he can not proue the truth of the particulars of his libel what will the world say of you for writing manifest vntruths of an Archbishop Especialy when you can not proue that he is the Author or that you are iniur'd by that Dublin libel as you call it and for want of an answer to the particulars therin alleged against you remit your english Reader to a latin Irish work not yet composed not euer like to be printed I am troubled Mr. Walsh at this malitious folly of yours But patience I will now consider how your Remonstrant Church came to fail and fall ANIMADVERSION 8. How the Protestants who had formerly a good opinion of Friar Walsh his Remonstrant Church came at length to alter it and be fully conuinc't that both he and his Remonsttant Church-men are Cheats MR Walsh you complain very much pag. 577. seq of the second part of your first long Treatise that the Anti Remonstrants notwithstanding their opposition against you lost nothing either of liberty or other benefits or fanors at home from the Ciuil Magistrate from the Lord Lieutenant or Kings Majesty or his Court Council or Parliament being equal in all such for any material thing to the Remonstrants and on the other side were sure of all euen extraordinary fauors c. from their own Church and from the Conrt of Rome abroad while the Remonstrants were sure of nothing from either but slight from the one and extreme persecution from the other And these fate last years from 1667. to the end of the present year 1672 haue giuen sufficient arguments of both the one and the other During which time those poor Remonsirants had nothing to ballâ—nce all their sufferings but the bare satisfaction of conscience to be slighted so by their friends and persecuted so by their Ennemies for professing and performing their duty to the King atterding to the law of God This is a very sad story Mr. Walsh but the Dublin libel as you call it tells you an other quite contrary and you know it to be true nay you giue a hint of it in the pag 3. of your Preface to the Catholiks which needed an other Preface itself being a large book There you say that the Anti-Remonstrants persecuted your holy Church in a most surious manner with all the vilest arts of malicious Cabals Conspiraties Plots libels and an Impostor Commissary and a forged Commission What 's that Mr. Walsh An Impostor Commissary A forged Commission I pray explain yourself Did the Anti Remonstrants persecute your Remonstrance and Church by an Impostor Commissary and a forged Commission did the court of Rome send such a person and giue him such a commission If so he was no Impostor Well I see those Romans are strange men Is it possible they could be so ill natur'd as to persuade a poor Friar to play the Impostor or that he would be persuade to play the fool and knaue so egregiously meerly to vndermine your Remonstrant Church Good God in what a great mistake hath the world bin these 9. or ten years Truly Mr. Walsh 't is the persuasion of all England Ireland France and Italy that you and the Impostor Commissary agreed to persecute the Roman Catholik Clergy and vnderstood
six Englishmen at the bridge of Iohnston I am also accused of hauing wrested the Castle of Kilkenny from your Majesties faithfull subiects the Lord Viscomt Montgacret and put it into the Nuntius hands and this by virtue of an Excommunication writ and fixt by my own hand which is said to be the very original in my Lord Iohn Berkley's custody Sir all these are but calumnies heer I offer my self to the tryal of both Why do you not do this Mr. Walsh if you be innocent You are very forward in accusing others both to the King and Parliament of treason and after your accusations were found to be meer calumnies you haue the considence to print them in this your bundle of lyes as truths But if you scruple presenting yourself as S. Athanasius did before the King or his Lieutenant me thinks you might imitat that Saint in writing at least an Apology for yourself and confuting the calumny especialy hauing mention'd and complain'd of it in this large volum of yours wherin you repeat ouer and ouer many of yours own tedious and impertinent speeches Js it possible Mr. Walsh that you can not bring one argument or example to defend your principles that is not retorted against your person and proceedings You coin not off much better with your story and instance of Constantin the same Emperor a The Controuersy of the Donatists with Caecilianus and Felix about the controuersy between the Donatists and Caecilianus the Primat of Afrik whom those heretiks or schismatiks had accused of betraying and burning the holy scriptures in time of persecution Constantin admiring at their troubling himself a lay Prince with such matters answerd them in great anger as Optatus tells you with those words b Optat. lib. 2. Petitis à me in saetulo iudicium cum Ego ipse Christi iudicium expecto Yet they extorted by their importunity from him being then but a new Cathecumen the naming of three Bishops for Iudges of the cause but considering afterwards that without the Bishop of Rome such causes could not be canonicaly decided he remitted both parties to Melchiades then Pope bidding each take along with them ten Bishops of their own faction together with the three aforesaid French Bishops Sentence being giuen by the Pope and his Collegues in Rome against the Donatists and Caecilianus by the same sentence declared innocent the Donatists appeal'd from it to the Emperor who in a rage for their appealing to him said O rabida furoria audatia Sicut in causis Gentilium fieri solet appellationem interposuerunt But the Donatists pretending that Bishop Felix the Ordainer of Caecilianus was as guilty as any one of the Traditores and that Caecilianus and the matter of fact had not bin well examined the principal things hauing bin omitted the Emperor commanded the Proconful Aelianus to inquire very diligently into the whole buisness again which he hauing don declared Caecilianus and Felix innocent and condemned again the Donatists From this sentence also they appeald to the Emperor who as S. Augustin sayes Ep. 162. a Aug. Contra Donatistatum pertinaciam Ep. 162. Dedit ille aliud Arelatense iudicium aliorum scilicet Episcoporum non quia iam necesse erat sed eorum peruersitatibus cedens omnimodo cupiens tantam impudentiam cohibere Noque enim ausus est Christianus Imperator sic corum tumultuosas saliaces querelas suscipere vt de iudicio Episcoporum qui Romae sederant ipse iudicaret sed alios vt dixt Episcopos dedit à quibus tamen illi ad ipsum rursus Imperatorem provocare maluerunt Qua in re illos quemadmodum detestetur audistis Atque vtinam saltem ipsius iudicio infanislimis animositatibus suis finem posuissent atque vt eis ipse cessit vt de illa causa post Episcopos iudicaret à Sanctis Antistibus postea veniam petiturus c. Sic illi aliquando cederent veritati like a Christian Emperor not daring to humor so much their peruersness as to iudge of the sentence formerly giuen by the Bishop of Rome and his Collegues appointed other Bishops at Arles to iudge the cause not because it was necessary to haue an other iudgment but to giue way to their impudent obstinacy resoluing afterwards to beg pardon of the holy Bishops The Donatists hauing bin cast also in the Councell of Aries they appeald again to the Emperor who then vtter'd those remarkable words recorded by Optatus Dico enim vt se veritas habet Sacerdotum indicium ita debet haberi ac si ipse â—ominus residens iudicet nihil enim licet his alind sentire vel aliud iudicare nisi quod Christi Magisterio sum educts I speake the truth as it is saith Constantin The Priests or Bishops iudgment ought to be esteem'd so as if our Lord himself residing amongst them did iudge For they may not think nor iudge otherwise than they are taught by Christ This is the truth of the story Mr. Walsh which you corrupt pag. 348 seqq concealing Constantins sentences and sentiment of the incompetency of his own iudicature in Ecclesiastical matters related by Optatus and your contradicting Saint Augustins plain text to impose Caluins ridiculous answer consured by Belarmin and other heretiks errors vpon such as belieue you haue so much common honesty and shame as not to be a wicked falsifier and Forger T is true say you pag. 349. Constamin breaks out into this no less iust than admiring exclamation O rabidi furoris audacia sicut in causa Gentilium fieri solet appellationem interposuerunt Yet this imports not signifies not by any means that Constantin abominats the ignorance of the Appellants for hauing or as if they had against any Diuine or human rule or Canon had recourse to a lay Tribunal For had it bin so or had this been the Motiue of his Exclamation he had dismissed them and remitted them back again to their own proper Episcopal Iudges which yet he did not but admitted their Appeal But how euer this be or what euer moued Constantin to this exclamation the matter of fact which followed can not be denyed For sure enough it is that Constantin admitted this appeal You add pag. 349. This admission of the Appeal and this reexamination by Constantin and by his Councel of Orleans you ignorantly mistake all the way Orleans for Arles seems very harsh to Baronius And therfore sayes that Constantin was drawn against his will to admit so vniust an Appeal from the iudgment or sentence of the great Pontiff But to that of being drawn against his will we haue said before enough or that there was none could force him And for his admission of the Appeal I am sure Augustin neuer reprehends it I pray Mr. Walsh did not Constantin remit the Donatists to Melchiades Bishop of Rome and those others ioyn'd with him when they appeal to Constantin himself Therfore euen according to your own Confession the