the rest and Providence so order'd that she should be a Spectatress with some of her friends in the same Balcony which Sir Iohn VVarner and some of his Relations had taken up to behold the same Solemnity it being only seperated in the middle to divide the two Companies Here she was inform'd of Sir Iohn VVarner as well as he of her to wit that she was likely besides that plentiful Fortune her Father design'd her to be Heiress to Three Thousand pound a Year should her Brother die without Issue who was not yet Married and was in Possession of Mr. Bakers Estate his Unckle by his Mother But both Sir Iohn and she were so far from any thoughts of Marriage that what was told them of each other took no Impression But what Heaven had so happily decreed came at length to be accomplisht For Sir Thomas Hanmer resolving to leave Suffolk and return to a House of his own called Betisfield in VVales where he might now be able to live at quiet intended to take his Daughter along with him and for that end sent to her to meet him and her Mother-in-law at London where he stay'd some time for the Conclusion of a Match that was treating between his Son Sir Iohn Hanmer and Mrs. Alston's Daughter an Heiress to Seven Hundred Pound a Year whose Mother was Aunt to Sir Iohn VVarner by his Fathers side who being lately dead and Sir Iohn now in the Possession of his Estate had disposed all things to Travel into France and before this had began his Journy had he not by Mrs. Alston's his Aunts intreaties defer'd it till after his Cousin's Marriage which within a Fortnight or Three Weeks was to be Solemnized whilst Sir Iohn stayed here with his Aunt it happened that one Day Sir Iohn Hanmer came to Visit his Mistress and brought his Sister along with him Thô the first sight of her made no impression at all as we have said upon Sir Iohn VVarner yet this second did and so forcibly too as to make him immediately lay aside his former designs and resolve to make his Applications to her which he should never have had the confidence to have done had he known how severe and averse she had shown her self to her former Suiters For these being the first Addresses he had ever made to any Woman in that kind he would not willingly have expos'd himself to a denial the first time he made them having refus'd to hearken to very considerable Matches that were offer'd him being unwilling to Marry whilst those unsetl'd Times lasted Providence that often times makes use of contrary means to bring about it's own designs appear'd wonderfully in this and gave her no less inclination to receive than it had given Sir Iohn to make his Addresses This was exteamly wonder'd at by those who knew her disposition nay even by her self when she found such an inclination to what before she had entertain'd so great an Antipathy Infine she who had stood out several Years Courtships from others was gain'd in Three Weeks time by Sir Iohn who the Week after his Consin's Espousals was himself Married in London by Dr. Iohn VVarner Lord Bishop of Rochester upon the Seventh of Iune 1659. Althô she had now embraced a State of Life wholy inconsistent with that of a Religious Profession yet she seemed still to have a special Affection and Inclination for those Virtues which even adorn the most perfect Calling And not long after her Marriage she had a singular tryal given her as well of Humility as of Patience which was the more sensible because given by one she so passionatly lov'd Sir Iohn VVarner having accepted of Sir Iohn Hanmer's his Brother-in-laws invitation to live with him at VVittingham-hall in Suffolk not far from his own Estate was invited by him to take a little Ramble about the Country without acquainting his Lady whether he went At his return my Lady VVarner after an expression of her Joy to see Sir Iohn come home safe made a kind Expostulation with him VVhy he would be so unkind as to leave her so long in that solicitude by going and staying such a while abroad without telling her of i◠He like other Young Men often too Jealous of loosing their Authority by too kind a Condescention to their Wives made an ill interpretation of her kind demand looking upon it as a sort of Controulment and told her It belong'd not to her to require an account of his Actions that he would have his liberty to go and come when he pleas'd without informing any one why and whether he went This unexpected Answer might well have created a disturbance in one that was not endow'd with that Spirit of Obedience and Humility she was Mistress of which she expressed by falling upon her Knees and beging Pardon for so just an offence and promis'd never more to be guilty of the like which promise she not only made but exactly kept all her life after And this was the only misunderstanding that ever happen'd between them whilst they lived together My Lady VVarner being now big with Child and Sir Iohn thinking it convenient she should lie in at his own House at Parham motion'd it to her She joyfully accepted the proposal and declar'd how much more it would be to her satisfaction to live there notwithstanding the trouble she knew the care of House-keeping would inevitably give her where she hop'd to be free from such a continual concourse of Company which render'd her Life less pleasant where she was but yet she would never have complain'd of it had not he kindly made this offer to her For thô nothing was more pleasing to her than Quiet and Retirement yet since she thought the other more grateful to him she would willingly have Sacrific'd her own satisfaction to give him his Sir Iohn's Eldest Sister Mrs. Ann VVarner who lived with my Lady Pettus her Mother-in-law at Castor near Norwich being dangerously ill sent for him whether he went and carried my Lady with him His Sister dying he carried her Body to be buried at Parham and took this occasion of remaining there taking his other Sister Mrs. Elizabeth VVarner along with him Whether she was no sooner come but she was presently Visited by all in the Neighborhood and among others by Sir Iohn VVarner's Nurse who upon that account taking a little more Liberty than the other's did with my Lady who in compliance to the fashion wore Patches told her Madam God Almighty has given you a very good Face why will you spoil it with those ugly black things If he had put them there I am sure you could not have taken it well and with reason too for your Face would not have been half so handsome This Advice was so gratfully accepted that she immediatly pul'd them off and never after wore any more Such passages as these are often Paradox'd and Ridicul'd as a peice of bigottry by those who do not willingly admit of
speak with my Lord he would not give him Audience before he sent in his Name which he barely gave concealing his Quality To the first of his Questions my Lord Answer'd Assirmitively to the second he said it was a corrupted Member whereupon Sir Iohn asked him if it Err'd in any Fundamental Point He Answer'd it did not for then it would be no Church hence out of the premises granted by my Lord Sir Iohn drew this Conclusion in Answer to his Third Query telling my Lord That then it evidently follow'd there was Salvation in the Roman Catholic Church But my Lord told him That for those who were Born and Bred up in the Roman Catholic Religion there might be Salvation but for him who own'd himself to be Educated a Protestant it was very doubtful it being very dangerous to leave apure Church to enter into one defil'd with Errors To which when Sir Iohn out of his own words reply'd That they not erring in Fundamental Points he humbly conceiv'd it could not be so dangerous as his Grâ—â—e Asserted to embrace the Roman Catholic Religion my Lord reply'd That he was not so competent a Iudge of this as himself and therefore was to rely upon his Opinion rather than his own Sir Iohn humbly submitted his Judgment to my Lords in this Point but having understood from Dr. Buck the esteem my Lord had for a Religious State from an expression the Doctor told him his Grace had one Day let fall as he was puting on his Canonical Robes in the Lobby to go into the Parlament-House Viz How happy it would be did their Church afford such a conveniency as the Church of Rome did that Brothren might dwell together in Vnity and what a comfort their Conversations would be to each other resolv'd to propose the anâ— Question to him he had to Dr. Buck. which give him occasion of Relating this passage concerning my Lord to with whether the embracing a Religious State might not be a sufficient VVarrant and Motive for a Protestant to become a Catholie The Bishop instead of Answering the Question asked Sir Iohn whether or no he were Married Who telling him he was the Bishop reply'd That such a Prophosition as hâ— had made was in vain because the State he was in render'd the other incompatible Sir Iohn told him he humbly conceiv'd that a mutual consent gave the same Priviledge to embrace that State as a single Life did My Lord again asked him If he had any Children he told him Yes whereupon any Lord said You are then oblig'd in Couscience to see them Educated Sir Iohn reply'd That by leaving them to a trusty friend with security of a sufficient Maintenance he thought he better satisfied his obligation of their Education that by Educating them himself with hazard of his own Salvation Here my Lord was interrupted by a Youth of about Ten Years of Age his Relation who was going to VVestminster-School with whom my Lord entertain'd himself so considerable a time in asking him VVhat Books he learnt How this and the other of his Friends did And such like Questions as gave Sir Iohn who sat by just Reason to think that the danger of becoming Catholic was not so great as my Lord affirm'd otherwise he would have thought his time better spent in satisfying him in a business of so great consequence than in conversing with the other about matters of less moment My Lord either unwilling to give himself father trouble or believing it might disgust Sir Iohn to see him triflle away his time thus with this Youth instead of endeavoring to clear his doubts and perhaps willing enough to break of the Discourse for fear he might not be able to give him intire satisfaction told him That since his weighty affairs allow'd him not so much time as the answering his doubts requir'd he would recommend him to one who should make it his business to do it and therefore called one of his Gentlemen and Commanded him to go along with Sir John to Dr. Dolbin then Dean of Westminster and afterwards Bishop of Rochester and last of all of York and in his Name desire the Dean to render him what service was in his Power in the business he came about As Sir Iohn was going out of his Pallace he met Dr. Sancrost now Arch-bishops of Canturbury a Neighbour and acquaintance of his entring in who offer'd him his service and probably afterwar is inform'd the Bishop of his Quality Forat the Weater-side Sir Iohn meeting Dr. Dolbin just landed at Lambeth Stairs desir'd my Lords Gentleman to say nothing to him but return back and follow the Doctor to my Lord Whâ—n he found much more civil and obliging than before who after he had talk'd near a Quarter of an hour with the Doctor they both came to Sir Iohn and my Lord assar'd him that hâ— had throughly inform'd the Doctor of his difficultes and that he was ready when ever he pleas'd to give him satisfaction in them which the Doctor also affirm'd and at Sir Iohn's request promis'd to expect him at his House the next Morning for that end Sir Iohn went according to his appointment and was immediatly introduc'd into his Closet where Sir Iohn perceiving both by the Doctors endeavors to prevent his proposing his doubts as well as by answering those he had propos'd to my Lord much after the same manner as his Grace had done that he was not like to have the satisfaction he expected made few or no Objections to what he said thinking it better to go away quietly as in appearance satisfied than otherwise give occasion of dissatisfaction both to the Arch-bishop and the Doctor and thereby cause them to divulge what few knew of to wit the disquiet and uneasiness he found in the Protestant Religion Nor was the Doctor much bent about asking his doubts but took occasion to ask many curious Questions and amongst others VVhat his Ladies Nune was Which when he understood he farther enquir'd VVhat Relation she was to Sir John Hanmer a particular acquaintance of his And being inform'd she was his Sister made greater Professions and offers of service to Sir Iohn than before For which he return'd due thanks and asked his Advice whether he judg'd it necessary that he should do the like to the Arch-bishop The Doctor told him he would do it for him and signifie to my Lord that he was the occasion he did not do it himself The Doctor offer'd Sir Iohn a Book call'd the VVhole Duty of Man which he civilly refus'd telling him that he had it already Whereupon the Doctor counsel'd him diligently to peruse that Treatise and that he would engage Soul for Soul provided he follow'd the advice he met with there that he should be as happy both in this VVorld and the next as he could hope to be by his entring into a Religious State He added also as Dr. Buck had done That 't was a meer Punctilio the Pope stood upon that
hear the Angel Guardian of our Iland Whispering in Our Soverains Far as heretofore the Angel Guardian of Israel did in the Ear of St. Ioseph these joyful vvords Rise and take the Child and his Mother and return into your Country for they are Dead vvho sought the Life of the Child Pardon me Madam for enlarging the Preface by this Digression The Zeal I have for Your Majesties happy Restauration vvill Apologize for the length I have no more to add but to beg that Your Majesty vvould vouchsafe to Honor these Memoires vvith Your Royal Approbation and accept this Tribute of my poor endeavours vvhich vvith all imaginable submission I lay dovvn at Your Sacred Feet That the Great God of Iustice may speedily restore Your Majesty and Our Gracious Soverain to Your Thrones and that after a long and happy Raign upon Earth You may receive an everlasting Crovvn in Heaven are the earnest vvishes and dayly Prayers of MADAM Your Majesties most Dutiful and most Devoted Subject and Servant N. N. THE LIFE OF THE LADY WARNER In RELIGION Sister CLARE of IESVS THE FIRST BOOK CHAP. I. Her Birth and Family her Inclination even from her tender Years to a Religions Life both in France and England ALTHO ' Vertue stands in need of no additional Luster yet commonly the Ornaments of Nature are never wanting to accompany the high Prerogatives of Grace and for the most part Sanctity of Life has been attended by Nobility of Birth and good Education The Lady VVarner had no small advantages in this kind She was Born on the 20th of April the Year 1636. at Hanmer-hall in the Town of Hanmer in the County of Flint the Ancient Seat of the Family whose Name it bears and after a few days she there received her Christian Name of Trevor in Baptism from my Lord Baron Trevor her Godfather Her Father was Sir Thomas Hanmer Baronet whose fidelity and loyalty recommended him to the Honorable Employment of Cup-bearer to King Charles the first Her Mother was Mrs. Elizabeth Baker of the Ancient Family of the Bakers of VVhittingham-hall in the County of Suffolk whose Birth Natural Parts Beauty and Education rendred her worthy to be chosen by the Queen Henrietta Maria for one of her Maids of Honor. Soon after her Birth the Civil Wars of England began in which her Father employed the utmost of his Power for the Interest of the King his Master but finding after his Majesties Imprisonment no possibility of rendring him any farther service rather then remain a sad and useless Spectator of His Misery he chose to leave the Kingdom and to go for France where he might be able to express more evident Testimonies of his Duty than he could in his own Country in which he was dayly exposed to the danger of Imprisonment and other inconveniences incident to those times Here it was she began first to discover her inclinations to a Religious Life and Pious desires to cast those seeds which afterwards growing up came to that ripness and maturity For Sir Thomas carrying her with his Lady to Paris happened to take up his Lodgings in a Catholic House she was then about Ten Years Old and in a short time had gain d so much upon the Son and Daughter of that Family who were about her Age and had inform'd her how happy a Life the Religions of their Church lead and had given her such an Idea of it as had inflam'd her to embrace it as to obtain of them privatly to accompany her to the Monastry of Mont-Martyr a little out of the Town where her want of experience perswaded her she should be received as soon as she presented her self For this end she gathered together what Cloaths and other thing she had which she did not so carfully put up but that she dropt them as she passed through the House whereby her Plot was discovered and her design blown up and all the reward she received for her intended Devotion was a severe correction from my Lady her Mother thô then detained in bed by her last sickness but thô this design was hindred she went on in her wonted innocent divertisments of making and adorning little Oratories whilst others play'd The Death of my Lady gave Sir Thomas Hanmer more liberty of returning privatly to England to see how his private concerns went there and whether he might be any ways useful to his Master Beginning his Journy he left his Daughter Trevor in the care of an Ancient Burgher and his Wife who were Hugenots and had no Children where she might be out of danger of improving such designs as formerly she attempted which he and his Lady who were both Protestants could not but disapprove Sir Thomas contriving for his greater security whilst he was in England to keep as far from his own home as he could retired to Hengrave-hall near Bury in Suffolk where Sir Thomas Harvey a Loyal Subject and sufferer for the King having Married my Lady Penelope Gage whose Joynturhouse it was lived with his whole Family Here Sir Thomas Hanmer moved by the beauty and excellent endowments of Mrs. Susan Harvey Daughter of Sir Thomas makes his earnest Suit to her and at last having obtained her Father's and her consent Married her Sir Thomas Hanmer's thoughts were either so taken up with his new Mistriss or so distracted with the danger of those troublesome times that he seemed almost to have forgotten his Daughter who had now been above a Year in Paris without hearing from him or of him insomuch that the People with whom she was believed him Dead and looked upon it as a favorable effect of Providence that had this way found a means of giving them an Heiress whom they esteemed and loved as if she had been their own Child and resolved to make her so as much as they were able Such was her admirable sweet disposition as it won the hearts and affections of all she convers'd with But whilst they pleased themselves with this Treasure Providence they thought had sent them Sir Thomas Hanmer returned and dasht all their hopes and as a Testimony of his affection came expresly himself to fetch her over into England Being returned to England he gave her choice either to go with him to her Mother in-law in Suffolk or to live with her Grand-Mother the Lady Hanmer at Haughton in Flintshire which last place she chose Here the former thoughts she had at Paris returned and she desisted not to form new designs of executing them which her Grand-mother discovering gaue notice of them to her Father otherwise her want of ability to mannage them might have exposed her to several inconveniences which her want of experience could not foresee Her Father upon this Information sends for her to Hengrave where she is received with all imaginable kindness by my Lady her Mother-in-law which she returned with what dutiful respect and affection she was able Here she beg'd and obtain'd of her Father knowing into what
but instead of steering out of the Harbor fell foul on a Sand banck where the Vessel stuck so fast that the flowing Tide quickly fill'd it with Water and the boisterous Waves washt those over Deck who came up to save their Lives Amongst these was Mr. VVarner who as the Waves carry'd him into the Sea cry'd out to those who to save themselves were got upon the Shrouds conjuring them if they escap't to let the Carthusians know the manner of his Death and how earnestly he desir'd they would Pray for the Repose of his Soul Some few that escaped after the Tide was fallen so low as to permit them acquainted the good Fathers with his earnest request which they not only granted by Praying for his Soul but exprest the greatness of their Charity by an earnest search after his Body which that it might be the better found out they gave a discription of the Rings they had observ'd upon his fingers Which being brought by a Seaman to a Goldsmith to be Sold the Goldsmith found them to be the same the Carthusians had describ'd to him and told the Person that brought them that if he would discover where the Body was he would procure him a reward that should not be inferior to the value of the Rings which he undertaking to do the Goldsmith order'd him to acquaint the Procurator of the Carthusians where it was who went with him to the Sea-shore where he uncover'd the Body he had buried in the Sand Which they knew to be Mr. VVarner's by it's wanting those fingers the Seaman had cut off not being able otherwise to get off his Rings The Carthusians presently took care decently to Bury his Body amongst their own Religious he having plainly declar'd himself a Carthusian in desire thô Providence permitted not his being one in effect Whose innocent Life deserv'd as a reward a Death which thô suddain should not be un-prepar'd It happen'd on the 3d. of April 1667. But to return to the Discourse I have interrupted with the Relation of this passage his suddain and unexpected Death was a double Mortification and affliction to Sister Clare first for the loss of so near a Relation for whom she had a very particular esteem secondly because by his Death her Profession would necessarily be defer'd She evidently foreseeing that this unfortunate accident would cost Brother Clare a Journy into England in order to make a new settlement of his Estate which could not possibly be dispatcht by the Month of August which was the time prefixt for the folemn making of their Vows But the same hand that sent these Afflictions intended them as a tryal to improve their Merit and for that end largely distributed his Divine Grace to encourage them to a chearful Resignation The necessity therefore of making another setlement summon'd Brother Clare to England and forced him with sorrow to re-assume his Title together with his Estate and with them those troublesome concerns from which he had a little before so happily disengag'd himself Being come to London the Enemy resolv'd to give him as uneasie a welcome as he had had a Journy thither for his Steward to whom he had given notice of his arrival sent an express to inform him that he himself was put in Prison that his House had been search'd by Order of the Lord Lieutenant of the County that they had taken away all the Arms they found and had set a Guard upon it This fell out about the same time that the Dutch design'd to Land in England and appear'd upon the Coasts of Suffolk about Seven Miles distant from his House Whereupon some Malitious Persons gave out that he was privately come into England and lay hid in his own House at Parham with a great many more Papists he had brought along with him to joyn the Dutch Sir Iohn whose Family as well as himself had always been Loyal Sufferers for the King was more concern'd to be accus'd of such black Crimes as Treason and Rebellion were than he would have been for any other accusation they could have laid to his charge Wherefore he went immediatly to a friend and Neighbor of his then in London and Major of the Kings Guards desiring him to acquaint his Majesty with what had past but the Major thought it more proper to accompany him to the Countess of Suffolk to acquaint her with what had been done by her Husbands the Lord Lieutenants Order They went together to my Lady whom the Major inform'd of all that had past and moreover assur'd her Ladyship the King would not be well pleas'd should he hear of these proceedings against a Person of whose Fidelity and Loyalty he was convinc'd and for which he himself was ready to Answer Upon the Majors Testimony my Lady Writ a Letter to her Husband the Earl of Suffolk in which she acquainted him of what the Major had inform'd her desiring him to make Sir Iohn what amends he could for what by his Authority had been acted against him which Letter she gave to Sir Iohn who immediatly took Post and deliver'd it himself the next Morning to my Lord from whom he receiv'd as good effects of it as could be expected for my Lord gave him presently an Order for the taking his Steward out of Prison for the discharge of the Guards that were set upon his House and for the Restitution of his Arms. My Lord moreover assur'd him that the former Orders he had given were rather to secure his House from the Rabble that threatned to pull it down than out of the least suspition or doubt of his Loyalty Most of the Informers and chief Actors in this business living at Framlingham a Mile beyond his House he chose first to go thither lest the news of his return to his House might give a second alarum and create new troubles Upon his way he met several Gentlemen of his acquaintance who accompanied him to the Town aforesaid where he was no sooner enter'd but the chief Inhabitants came to Congratulate his arrival Expressing their sorrow for what had happen'd in his absence and desiring him not to believe any of them the cause of it And moreover manifested their joy for his return by Ringing of the Bells This second Storm the Enemy had rais'd being thus happily appeas'd Sir Iohn return'd to London there to make a settlement of his Estate upon his second and now only Brother Mr. Edmund VVarner a Merchant in London Here Sir Iohn met with hit Father-in-law Sir Thomas Hanmer to whom he gave an account how he design'd to settle his Estate telling him he intended instead of the Six Thousand Pound which according to the Articles of Marriage he was oblig'd to give his Daughters to settle upon them the Mannor of Boyton worth Four Hundred Pound a Year Sir Thomas instead of taking kindly this great addition to his Grand-childrens Portions as Sir Iohn expected he would have done declar'd that he lookt upon these Lands he
reason was concern'd that he so long defer'd the settelement of his Estate according to the Articles agreed upon at their Marriage Sir Iohn was startl'd that others should take notice of what he so little thought on and which he had more reason to apprehended then they and esteem'd this as a timely admonition from Heaven to make a Spiritual Provision for Eternity A settlement far more worth thinking on and of greater moment than any this World could afford But my Lady went on arguing as Father Travers before had done That a Religious Life they aim'd at as happy as it was requir'd such a Disposition as neither of them yet had Viz. The being Members of the Roman Catholic Church none but that affording the happiness of such a Retirement And therefore that they ought first to satisfie themselves and embrace this before they could partake of the other he had propos'd This Discourse being ended Sir Iohn retir'd himself again to his Closet where he was seiz'd with so great trouble and anxiety occasion'd by the uncertainty he felt whether he was in the true way to Salvation or no that made him restless Which disquiet of Mind was the principal occasion of ripening his Conversion and for the fear of what irreparable consequences might follow if he were not in the true way gaâ—e him no time of respite or breathing And amidst these perplexities he began to Model and consider with himself how to make a serious and lasting provision against so great an evil Finding no help from any diversion he took to ease his troubled Mind thinking the time long thô but Ten Days since Father Travers departure resolv'd to go himself purposly to him to get the Paper he had promis'd him from which he hop't to receive some comfort and satisfaction and found him in a readiness to begin his Journy for Parham with the Summary or Treatise he had promis'd of the Catholic Doctrin He beg'd of him not to charge his kind design but to accompany him back to Parham which request he condescended to Where reading the Articles over to Sir Iohn his Lady and Sister the two last were throughly and effectually convinc'd and resolv'd to take the opportunity of Father Travers presence to Reconcile themselves before his departure and thereby become Members of the Roman Catholic Church Which they did upon the Eve of St. Iohn Baptists and Receiv'd the Holy Sacrament the next Day But Sir Iohn resolv'd to hear what those of his Church would say to the Reasons set down in the foresaid Treatise before he would make any change of Religion CHAP. V. A Relation of Sir John Warner's Conversion and how both he and his Lady resolve to enter upon a Religious course of Life I Must here beg leave of the Reader to accept of a short Relation of Sir Iohns Conversion together with some Motives which conduced not a little to his change of Religon because 't will no less inform him how my Lady by that means was set at Liberty to embrace a Religious State of Life than disabuse some persons who by mistake thought such a separation impossible considering their ample Fortune in the World unless some disgust or dissatisfaction had interven'd on the one side or the other and by this short Narrative the Rich goodness of Almighty God's over-ruling Providence in drawing Souls to his Service will also evidently appear Sir Iohn thô he could not refute those Reasons Father Travers had set down yet thought it prudence to suspend his judgment and submission to a change of Religion till he found whether others of his own could solve those Queries he had heard Read Wherefore he obtains leave of Father Travers to show this Treatise to some Learned Men of the Protestant Church and for this end resolv'd to make a Journy on purpose to London and prevail'd with the Father to meet him there that they might be able to confer about the Objections that others should make to what he had set down in his Treatise Sir Iohn being in London first of all apply'd himself to Dr. Buck with whom thô he had been Chaplain to his Grand-father and had Baptiz'd Sir Iohn he had no Personal acquaintance but found him so Civil as freely to Discourse with him without asking him who he was The Doctor Read over the whole Treatise with Sir Iohn and made no Objection either against the Real Presence Prayer to Saints Purgatory Confession or Satisfaction for Sins But when he came to that Point that there was no true Oridination or Priest-hood in the Protestant Church for a proof whereof was alleadg'd what Dr. Thomdike in his VVeights and Measures wisht That since there was a great doubt in so Essential a Point they would submit to a Re-ordination by the Suftra an Bishops of Rome the Doctor was so mov'd that he declar'd the Author of that Pamphlet deserv'd a severe Punishment And when Sir Iohn endeavor'd to pacifie the Doctor telling him His Citation was out of a Protestant Author and therefore unless false was not so much to be blam'd yet the Doctor could not be perswaded to Read any further which when Sir Iohn perceiv'd he desir'd the Doctor That he would voughsafe at least to inform him since there was a doubt in the Protestant Church of a Point of so great consequence as that of True Ordination was VVhether there could be any danger of his Salvation if for this reason as well as for the advantage of Religious Houses which the Protestant Church wanted finding himself most particularly mov'd to a Religious State of Life he should quit the Protestant Religion he was Ered up in to become a Member of the Roman Catholic Church The Doctor here exprest his concern that there wanted such a conveniency in the Protestant Religion which the Roman Catholic had but would not own a want of Ordination but still invey'd against the Author of that Assertion and earnestly perswaded Sir Iohn to continue in the Church he was in which was very good and had in it all things necessary to Salvation assuring him That in a short time they would both be United The chief difference betwixt them consisting in the Popes Usurping a Power beyond what Christ had given him Their Church allowing him to be Question he believ'd would soon be decided by a Condescention on both sides Sir Iohn was not satisfied with this Answer but resolv'd to go to the Arch-bishop of Canturbury Dr. Sheldon he being the Primat of the Protestant Church whom Dr. Buck had also cited to be of his Opinion And that he might not be too troublesome to his Grace he reduc'd what he intended to propose to him to Three Queries The First VVhether there were a Church Establish'd by Christ out of which there was no Salvation The Second VVhether the Roman Catholic Church were a Member of this The Third VVhether there was Salvation in the Roman Catholic Church When Sir Iohn came to Lambeth and asked to