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A63911 A memorial humbly presented to the Right Honorable the Lord Chief Justice of the Kings-Bench in behalf of the hospitaller and his friends Turner, John, b. 1649 or 50. 1690 (1690) Wing T3311; ESTC R38920 48,263 71

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A MEMORIAL Humbly Presented to the Right Honorable The Lord Chief Justice OF THE KING'S-BENCH In Behalf of the HOSPITALLER AND HIS FRIENDS LONDON Printed in the Year 1690. To the Right Honorable Sir JOHN HOLT Knight Lord Chief Justice OF THE KING'S-BENCH My Lord THis Discourse which was intended to be spoken to your Lordship in our common Defence containing a full and clear Representation of our Case I do most humbly beseech your Lordship of your love to Justice to accept and consider at your leisure on our behalfs I had not been so hardy to take the part of an Advocate upon me but that I knew nothing when I began to write this and till I had well nigh finish'd it of the other Side 's appearing by their Counsel against us and then it was not for me to pretend to enter the Lists with Men so used to Pleading and so particularly Eminent and Learned in their Possession as they are however having written it at first to satisfie my self and others as well as I could in the true Merits of the Cause we were ingaged in I have presumed so far at this juncture wherein our Affairs are hastening to their Crisis as to publish and expose it to the open view of the World because it may be there may be some things in it which even the ablest Practiser of the Long-Robe distracted by so many Avocations and full of other Thoughts and Business might have omitted These Two things I humbly conceive to be very plain in it First That the Lord Mayor and Aldermen of the City of London cannot restore the Ejected whether Governors or Officers without as plain and manifest a Dispensing Power as that which even the late King assumed to himself for if the Court of Aldermen may put out those at pleasure whom the King by virtue of a Power given him by an express Act of Parliament hath put into their respective Places and if they may restore those whom he by the same Authority hath legally ejected what is this but at pleasure to dispense with the Act it self and to render such a Provision in the King's behalf as vain and fruitless as if it had never been made What is it else but for the Court of Aldermen to challenge that exorbitant Privilege as it 's due which is deny'd and barr'd by an express Act of Parliament even to Kings themselves and all this for Causes so just and weighty from the foresight of the Mischiefs which such a Power may produce and from the Experience of those which it actually hath that they carry their own Sanction included in themselves though no Act of Parliament to forbid or foreclose the Exercise of a Power so Arbitrary and Boundless in it self and in its Consequences so pernicious and destructive had ever been enacted And whether a Court comparatively Inferior however otherwise deserving a due Reverence and Respect from us ought to be allowed to trample upon the just Authority of Kings and to disappoint the true meaning and intention of the High Court of Parliament it self by any Order of theirs is a thing that may deserve your Lordship's Consideration and I doubt not my Lord but you will certainly consider it to our advantage and for the restraining of a dangerous Power which may dispense with the whole Statute Book or with what part or parcel of it pleaseth as well as with any one Law I know there are many very worthy Gentlemen in the Court of Adermen that abhor the very thoughts of arrogating and assuming thus much to themselves many that are well satisfied with the necessary Regulations made in the Reign of King Charles II. in which they themselves were instrumental being thereunto commissionated under the Broad Seal of England and that it is only those who are in truth no Aldermen that would be more than such if they knew how The other thing which to the best of my understanding is every whit as clear as the former is that if the Mayor or Court of Aldermen's Power though it had been a legal Court of Aldermen which the Act of Parliament hath declared at that time it was not may over-rule the King 's in our Case then I cannot see that the Hospitals are his in any sense his Power and Prerogative in them will be utterly destroyed and he cannot so much as send a sick Seaman or Soldier into any of these Houses without first asking leave of the City which although it may be especially in the present Circumstances they would not deny him yet it is infinitely beneath the Majesty of Princes to acknowledge or submit to a precarious Dependence wherever it can be proved they have a Right even a private Person where he can make out his Title would disdain to aceept of his own upon these terms by holding it only du●ante beneplacito by an uncertain capricious and revocable Grant from another and therefore it concerns all that love the Monarchy of England and much more all those that are under more particular Obligations to maintain and assert it to see that its Honor and just Prerogative do not suffer in so important a Branch as this which concerns the Royal Hospitals is through the Mistakes and Encroachments of a few Men that aim at a Power which they can never prove in the present Circumstances to be their due It is not their due in our Circumstances who were put in by the King by whom the very Persons whom they will needs restore were ejected nor in theirs neither if it be true that a certain Gentleman who takes much upon him neither is nor ever was since the avoidance of the Charter a legal Magistrate of this Renowned City and that several Assessors in the Court of Aldermen have as little right to the Bench as he hath to the Chair a Controversie which in my small Opinion the Parliament hath determined already or if they have not yet done it so clearly as might be wished yet in a short time it may be hoped they will In the mean while I cannot forbear saying That I never saw less good Manners less Decency or less Modesty in the Management of a Cause than I have done in this our Adversaries have confess'd by an obstinate and stubborn silence after so many fair Challenges and repeated Provocations notwithstanding all the Mercenary Pens that are always at their Service that they have nothing to say for themselves and that both in Law and Equity it is a very plain Case against them but yet still they have a Confidence not in their Cause which they know to be very bad but in their Power which they persuade themselves is greater than the Power of Truth that is proof against all this they are resolved upon their own Conclusion and leave our naked Premises to shift for themselves Poor Premises so destitute and so friendless that even Hospitals refuse them Entertainment Nay not only so but when the Lords of the Council have
Governors will always abuse their Trust in favor of that Interest and party to which they belong and they will think themselves bound to contravene and disappoint this Provision of King Edward even for Conscience sake to propagate and encourage that which they esteem the only true Profession of the Gospel and to discourage that Formality and Superstition of ours which they so loudly and so passionately and in their own Thoughts so deservedly complain of nay if we add Experience to Reason and conjecture we know by long Experience that they have always acted according to these measures Fourthly They dispense with the qualifying Act of the 25 Car. 2. as I have proved sufficiently in the following Papers it is Sir Edward Hales his Case the Bishop of Oxford's Case the Charter House Case and the whole Magdalen College Case as exactly as any thing can be only with this Aggravation which makes it so much the worse that it is a Power exercised by Subjects not by Kings by Subjects in contempt of the just Power and Prerogative of their Prince by Subjects in derogation to the standing Laws of the Realm and in defiance both of King and Parliament together Fifthly and lastly They dispense with the late Act for reversing the Judgment in a quo Warranto c. for by that Act or I am much mistaken after having very seriously considered it the present Lord Mayor commonly so call'd and several of his Collegues and Assessors upon the Bench are declared not to be and never to have been legal and rightful Lord Mayor and Aldermen of this City so that the Governors and Officers pretending to be restored holding by no other Authority but theirs and there not being a Majority in that Court without them There is nothing more certain than that they hold by nothing which is hardly so good as a drowning Man by a Reed and yet he must drown for all that For my part I must be frank and clear with your Lordship and the World that it seems to me a great Scandal to the Government it casts a Blemish of Dishonor and Reproach of Weakness and Infirmity upon the Supreme Power● when its Enemies such as are at least virtually and consequentally if not actually so shall be suffered to swagger and domineer with the blustring Title of Governors to which they have no Title though they behave themselves of all Men the most imperiously and proudly under the lofty Imaginations that it puts into their weak Heads in a place where the King hath a legal and rightful Visitation and it is a further dishonor in this Case where they can make out no Title to so proud a Word that his Friends and Servants shall be affronted and curb'd after having had the Improvements of a polite and liberal Education by every little thing that hath neither Parts nor Breeding merely because it presumes to call it self a Governor though it knows not how to govern it self and is hardly qualified to be Governor of Jack Strawe's Castle but yet is 〈◊〉 as full and as big swell'd with the title as if it were indeed the Governor of some mighty Fortress that had a powerful Garison at its Devotion and the Country for twenty or thirty Miles round under Military Contribution and if the King of the Country by whose only Power and Authority he acts should pretend to visit or call him to an account he could immediately set him and his Army under Water and so farewell to Pharaoh and his Host for all are Aegyptians to the Dissenters and Commonwealths-men but themselves they are the only true Israelites when all is done and they make no bones of stealing this Crown Jewel of a Prerogative to visit from an Aegyptian King or indeed any King whatsoever for no King comes amiss they love them all and their Prerogative so well My Lord I do humbly propose it to your Lordship's Consideration that it is not only a dishonor to their Majesties that any of their Charities should be wholly managed by Men of a Republican Principle and Party but that the Peace of this Housecan never be secured unless we be all of a Mind as well the Governors as the Officers and Servants true and hearty Communicants of the Establish'd Church and such as have given such proofs of Conformity and Steadiness to the Government both in Church and State as the Law requires then and not before it is that we may expect to see happy Days if it be possible in a miserable Place and in the midst of Sickness and Diseases not till then it is that the Affairs of this House disturbed by mutual Animosities and intestine Broils will go on with an even and successful Pace to the Credit of the Government and to the utmost Advantage of the Sick and Wounded My Lord I humbly beg your Lordship's Pardon for this very long this unexpectedly long preliminary Address I shall add but two things more and that very briefly and so conclude My Lord What are these Gentlemen that will needs make themselves Parties and will needs be Defendants in this Cause against us The Plaintiffs certainly know best who it is by whom they are aggrieved and they complain of none but of Sir T. P. the pretended Lord Mayor and those of his Brethren that have concurred with him for the displacing of those whom K. Charles II. by an undoubted Prerogative inherent in the Crown sent hither and for the restoring of those whom he by the same Right hath ejected I have nothing to say to Hughes as to the Money that hath been paid him but I must expect my Satisfaction from those by whose Order it was done and they if any are the Defendants in this Cause And here there are two Points to be insisted upon first Whether the Court of Aldermen at the passing of those Orders were a legal Court or Whether it be so or no to this very day till it be purged of those that have nothing to do to sit there and till the Number be filled up by those that are better qualified to take the Stile and Dignity of Aldermen upon them Secondly The King's Power of Visitation being acknowledged as we are ready to prove it undeniably if it be disputed whether even a legal Court of Aldermen can rescind the legal Act of the King in an Affair that lies so plainly and so properly within his Royal Cognizance and Visitation But as for these Gentlemen that call themselves Governors and will by all means be Parties under that Name and Notion who are they Are they not all or the much greatest part of them the very same Men that were ejected by K. Charles II. so that their Title to the Stile and Office of Governors of this House is a thing every whit as much disputed and for the same Reason as that of any of the Officers pretending to be restored How then comes it to pass that they so confidently presume to act as the Delegates or
Attorneys of this House and to appear before Your Lordship as a Representative of the whole Body of Governors in its behalf when yet all this while it is a very great Question whether they do really belong to it or no and a Question that cannot be resolved in their Favour as I humbly conceive without the Admission of a Dispensing Power in Men that never pretended to it till now and that decry it in Princes themselves But they appear in the Hospital Behalf and they were to be commended for their Charity to appear in the Behalf of a charitable Foundation to rescue it from Abuses and to assert its Rights if they did all this at their own Charge but it is their Majesties and the Hospital that must pay for all this out of the Hospital Stock though the Design be nothing else but to overthrow the Royal Prerogative and to clip the Wings of the Imperial Eagles but this is the Commonwealth Notion of the Liberty of the Subject the Destruction of the Rights and Prerogatives of Kings But secondly my Lord as the best refuge which our Adversaries have in a very shameless and defenceless Cause they are pleased to say that our Orders from the Commission run only during pleasure and that that pleasure and its effects are extinct the one of which we grant the other we deny for the pleasure of that Court was the pleasure of the King who never dyes though he may recal what he hath done by a new Commission or by a new and further Declaration of his own will but for an inferior Court whose Abuses were intended to be corrected to renew and act over again the same Abuses and to restore the very same Persons and Powers that were discarded upon pretence that the pleasure of the Commission which they never withdrew by any act of theirs is extinct by their Dissolution is to render the King's Power of Visitation a thing so extremely mean little and contemtible and besides to cast a Blemish either of Ignorance or which is a greater dishonor of injustice upon him that it is plea not to be endured and I am sure it scarce deserves an Answer If the Governors had chosen an Officer upon a Competition and and the odds had been thirty and thirty one or any other number making only one difference it is certain it he odds had carried it but suppose within a day or two two of the thirty one had died or resigned their Staves as Governors of the House or in this Case it is certain that the pleasure of the thirty one had been extinct in the same Sense that that of the Commissioners is pretended to be and then the Will of the thirty still supposed to be surviving must have prevailed and the Officer chosen by the thirty one ejected to make room for him that was chosen by the thirty which is flat and clean contrary to the Course and Practice of all Elections and is a sufficient Idication that the Legality of such Acts when they are done derives a Validity upon them even in Arbitrary Dependences sor the time to come unless they be repealed by a superior or at least an equal Authority and the nature of Justice and Morality require that it should be done likewise for equitable Reasons and if the Act of Parliament for the reversing the Judgment hath confirm'd all those Acts during the avoidance of the Charter which would have been legal had the Charter stood how much more might those Acts to be esteem'd valid which have also a legal Foundation as this Commission manifestly had so far as the Hospitals were concern'd whether the Charter had been seized or no My Lord It is rather the King and Queen are the Plaintiffs in this Cause than we it is their Eternal Prerogaiive more than our Temporary Interest that is concerned and it is plainly a Contest and a Struggle betwixt a Commonwealth-Faction and the Monarchy and Crown of England I shall detain your Lordship no longer from the perusal of the following Memorial but humbly beg leave to write and subscribe my self My Lord Your Lordship 's most Humble and most Obedient Servant John Turner Aug. 25. 1690. A MEMORIAL Humbly Presented to the Right Honorable The Lord Chief Justice OF THE KING'S-BENCH c. May it Please Your Lordship THE Case referred to your Lordship by the Council-Board is so plain that it needs only opening and being set in its true Light to determine that Justice which is byass'd by nothing but Reasons drawn from it self to the Plaintiff's side My Lord By a Clause in a Statute of the 28th H. 8. c. 21. it is provided That it shall not be lawful for the Archbishop of Canterbury or any other Person or Persons to visit or vex any Monasteries c. Hospitals Houses or other places Religious which be or were exempt before the making of this Act but that Redress Visitation and Confirmation shall be had by the King's Highness by Commission under the Great Seal to be directed to such Persons as shall be appointed requisite for the same And in the Royal Grant of King Edward VI. to the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens of the City of London whereby the ordinary Government and Administration of the said Hospital and its Lands Revenues and Possessions is entirely committed to and entrusted with the Mayor Commonalty and Citizens aforesaid yet there is still notwithstanding a special Proviso in extraordinary Cases whereby the Power of Visitation and Regulation in the said Hospital is reserved to the King and his Successors for ever the very Words of the Clause are these that follow And We will and declare by these Presents that it shall be lawful for Us Our Heirs and Successors from time to time as often as it shall seem fit and expedient to assign Our Commissioners to visit the said Hospital and House of the Poor and to do and execute all and singular such other things whatsoever as We Our Heirs and Successors shall there command to be done As to the Clause in the Act of Parliament which is still in force that Act having never yet been repealed either in whole or in part it is plain that if this Hospital were such though it were not an Hospital of the same nature before the making of this Act if it were a Religious House in the same sense that all Charitable Foundations are interpreted to be so and if it were a Place exempt from Episcopal Jurisdiction at the time of the making of this Act and before it and hath continued so ever since in virtue of that ancient Exemption which it is matter of Fact that it hath done and it is equally certain that it can plead no other Right of Exemption but this to this very day then is it without controversie a Place subject to the King's Visitation by virtue of this Act and that the Kings and Queens of England for the time being may for ever visit and regulate all
Success of their Cures do more or less depend upon the good understanding of the Governors and the Officers and Servants with each other to say nothing of the peace and comfortable Living of the Officers within the House among themselves I am so much of this mind that though I believe it will be easily granted that I am no great Friend to the Power of the Dissenters yet for the good of the House whatever becomes of me I had rather see all the Officers Quakers or Anabaptists or of any other Tribe belonging to the Separation than not all Communicants of the Church of England and without pretending to Prophecy I can easily foretell that such a mixture as this will always be inconsistent with the peace of the House and will be the occasion of endless and remediless Feuds and Animosities among us The Privy Council who have referred this business to your Lordship have in effect already determined in our Favor by ordering their Majesties Declaration of the Twenty Third of May above mentioned to be Printed which Declaration implies rather a greater Power than we have need of for our Defence and Protection and I hope your Lordship will see Reason to follow their Example My Lord your Lordship is not only Lord Chief Justice of their Majesties Court of King's-Bench but you have also another Title you are Lord Chief Justice of England and therefore I shall humbly expostulate with your Lordship as Abraham did with the Judge of all the Earth Shall not the Judge of all the Land do right that be far from thee to slay the righteous with the wicked and that the righteous should be as the wicked to make no distinction betwixt right and wrong that be far from thee to do after this manner Some Choice Collections out of a SERMON Entituled Magistracy God's Ministry Or a Rule for the Rulers and Peoples due Correspondence Preached at the Midsummer Assizes at Abingdon Anno 1651. By W. Hughes THE Stile of the Dedication To his Excellency the Lord Cromwel General of all the Forces raised by the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England In the Epistle Dedicatory it self I am not conscious that this Discourse hath cause to blush save for its Author's Weakness What think you Sir of his and his Discourse's Wickedness too It seems it is not Crimes will make you blush only you are sorry to find your self a Bungler in the Trade of Treason and you blush only for that Reason because your Pen cannot transcribe the Wickedness of your Heart There was something of Modesty in this Confession however A little after concerning his Patron he says Methinks 't is pity genuine Merit should not have its due reported when the Picture of it hath even been adored but that your Thoughts reply in silence he whom the Lord Commendeth and Works do eccho thereto louder than to need our Words 'T is desired that God would lead you in this way even to your Journeys end Ib. Concerning his Discourse or fardle of Treason he says The Subject of it is the ready Road your Honor doth and is to walk in Ib. It is the suit of many Hearts that your Honor having now subdued our Enemies would put on further to make the Godly Friends Ib. My Lord I have adventur'd far upon your Favor it is enough and over for me will your Lordship only but excuse me whilst by this I tell the World take notice World and remember what he says against another Day that as I have been for Christ's Interest and the Commonwealths sometimes under your Command I am and ever shall be my Lord Your Honor 's Faithful Servant to be Commanded W. H. Out of the Preface to the Reader 'T is too well known our Body Politick hath been much distempered and the Grief scarce cured yet my aim I 'm sure is right to heal the Sore however I hit the mark Ib. Former Injustice in the Reign of King Charles I and present Disobedience against prosperous Rebels look like Competitors who should be greatest That former justice through mercy we are fairly quit of I wish it were improved to send this present Disobedience packing after Ib. How quick it Disobedience theives how far it spreads and what a Crop it bears last Harvest told us here at Home although the righteous gracious Lord would have it ripe and rotten together 'T is time Men should be wiser now than to kick against the pricks oe labor any longer for the wind All this Disobedience he speaks of was the Disobedience of Charles II. and his Malignant Adherents against his Patron Oliver and the Sovereign Commonwealth of England at the Battel of Worcester which is here pointed at in the Margin and like a true Prophet he tells you it was in vain to contend any longer for that baffled Interest for that it was but kicking against the pricks and laboring for the wind that is in other words What a fine King's Chaplain is this Man like to make in his Majesties Royal Hospital of St. Thomas Southwark King Charles the Second shall never be restored He concludes this worthy Preface with these Words Reader Three of the Famous Monarchies of the World are down the Miscellany Fourth sure is setting make way the Fifth the Everlasting one may rise upon us I could expose his Miscellany Fourth but this would be aliud agere we are not now interpreting of Prophesies the Four great Monarchies He speaks of were the Babylonian Medo-Persian Greek and Roman the three first he tells us are gone and the last crumbled and divided into several and distinct Dynasties is declining or in other words Monarchy in England and its Dependences is clearly gone and he hopes to see it so every where else in a very short time so that if a Man would give the World to see a Monarch there should be no such Creature any where to be found and then make way the Fifth wherein Christ according to this Man's fancy wherein he wants not the Concurrence of a very ancient but a very silly phantastical and senseless Heresie was to reign upon Earth a thousand Years and then Mr. H. was like to be a great Man for the Saints that is the Independents were to reign together with him though Mr. Venner and his Party were of another mind they thought the Anabaptists were to be the Men. When that time comes we shall know more in the mean while we may see what a special Friend to Monarchy we have of Mr. H. and how well qualified this Phanatick is to eat the Bread of Kings But this was very ill tim'd of Mr. Hughes after an Epistle to O. C. who just about this time had a Month's mind to be a Monarch himself and did actually propose it to his great Confident and Favourite Whitlock as the only means to put an end to those Confusions into which the Commonwealth Principles and Designs had brought them and Whitlock very honestly and very wisely advised him