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at_o the_o trial_n of_o misdemeanour_n for_o he_o say_v the_o bishop_n be_v not_o present_a at_o the_o trial_n of_o weston_n and_o gomenitz_n 1_o r._n ii_o nor_o at_o the_o trial_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o norwich_n 7_o r._n ii_o nor_o at_o such_o judgement_n as_o that_o of_o sir_n william_n de_fw-fr thorp_n 25_o edw._n iii_o 10._o who_o be_v condemn_v for_o bribery_n and_o yet_o he_o yield_v they_o be_v at_o the_o trial_n of_o mich._n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr pool_n 10_o r._n ii_o but_o if_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v present_a at_o those_o of_o 25_o ed._n iii_o and_o 1_o r._n ii_o and_o 7_o r._n ii_o neither_o ought_v they_o to_o have_v be_v present_a at_o the_o trial_n of_o mich._n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr pool_n either_o therefore_o his_o argument_n do_v not_o prove_v they_o be_v not_o present_a at_o the_o former_a be_v only_o from_o general_a word_n or_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v present_a at_o the_o latter_a which_o he_o confess_v they_o be_v this_o will_v best_o appear_v by_o compare_v the_o case_n together_o 1_o r._n ii_o the_o commons_o deliver_v in_o a_o schedule_n to_o the_o lord_n of_o their_o demand_n before_o they_o will_v proceed_v to_o a_o subsidy_n among_o which_o one_o be_v that_o all_o such_o who_o without_o cause_n have_v lose_v or_o give_v up_o any_o castle_n or_o town_n or_o fortress_n to_o the_o dishonour_n of_o the_o king_n or_o damage_n of_o the_o people_n may_v be_v put_v to_o their_o answer_n before_o the_o lord_n and_o commons_o that_o parliament_n here_o be_v no_o particular_a impeachment_n of_o these_o person_n but_o upon_o this_o the_o lord_n send_v for_o these_o two_o person_n who_o be_v prisoner_n in_o the_o tower_n upon_o this_o account_n and_o the_o charge_n against_o they_o be_v deliver_v two_o town_n in_o flanders_n without_o commission_n weston_n make_v a_o long_a and_o plausible_a defence_n to_o which_o no_o
le_fw-fr parliament_n and_o all_o these_o be_v use_v to_o express_v the_o same_o person_n and_o again_o n._n 3._o touz_v les_fw-fr grantz_n du_fw-fr dit_fw-fr parliament_n which_o be_v there_o oppose_v to_o chivaler_n des_fw-fr countez_fw-fr and_o be_v more_o distinct_o mention_v before_o in_o these_o word_n les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr prelatz_n countess_n baroun_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n &_o les_fw-fr chivaler_n des_fw-fr countess_n &_o tote_fw-la la_fw-fr conumune_fw-la sometime_o the_o grantz_n be_v take_v in_o general_a for_o all_o of_o the_o house_n of_o peer_n and_o the_o commons_o for_o the_o low_a house_n so_o 21_o ed._n iii_o n._n 63._o il_fw-fr assentuz_fw-fr per_fw-la lui_fw-fr les_fw-fr grantz_n &_o la_fw-fr dit_fw-fr comunalte_n a_o son_n parliament_n and_o again_o ditz_fw-fr grantz_n &_o de_fw-la tote_fw-la la_fw-fr come_v susditz_fw-fr and_o le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr per_fw-la assent_n des_fw-fr grantz_n commanda_fw-la a_fw-fr la_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr come_v from_o these_o example_n and_o many_o more_o which_o may_v if_o it_o be_v needful_a be_v produce_v it_o evident_o appear_v that_o the_o bishop_n be_v grantz_n in_o parliament_n according_a to_o the_o language_n of_o that_o time_n and_o therefore_o the_o precedent_n produce_v wherein_o only_o the_o grantz_n be_v mention_v be_v of_o no_o force_n at_o all_o against_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o bishop_n and_o that_o assertion_n of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o peerage_n 15_o etc._n etc._n appear_v to_o be_v without_o any_o ground_n viz._n that_o the_o bishop_n be_v never_o speak_v of_o in_o any_o record_n but_o by_o the_o name_n of_o bishop_n or_o prelate_n or_o some_o such_o name_n to_o distinguish_v they_o from_o the_o laiety_n these_o general_a negative_n be_v very_o bold_a and_o dangerous_a thing_n and_o one_o affirmative_a overthrow_v they_o but_o i_o have_v produce_v many_o instance_n to_o the_o contrary_a and_o may_v do_v many_o more_o such_o man_n who_o dare_v venture_v upon_o such_o bold_a say_n must_v be_v presume_v to_o have_v read_v over_o all_o the_o record_n themselves_o and_o must_v presume_v that_o none_o else_o ever_o so_o much_o as_o look_v into_o they_o but_o that_o author_n discover_v too_o much_o his_o second-hand_n learn_v in_o these_o matter_n and_o we_o may_v have_v want_v several_a of_o his_o precedent_n have_v it_o not_o be_v for_o mr._n selden_n baronage_n as_o to_o the_o title_n of_o signior_n du_fw-fr parliament_n etc._n be_v common_a to_o the_o bishop_n i_o be_o prevent_v by_o another_o hand_n i_o shall_v only_o add_v two_o precedent_n more_o not_o take_v notice_n of_o by_o other_o the_o one_o 7_o r._n ii_o the_o answer_n of_o mich._n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr pole_n be_v say_v to_o becoram_fw-la magnatibus_fw-la &_o communitate_fw-la in_o parlamento_n where_o the_o author_n of_o the_o letter_n confess_v the_o bishop_n be_v present_a and_o therefore_o comprehend_v under_o themagnates_n the_o other_o 15_o h._n vi_o one_o philipps_n complain_v against_o the_o bishop_n of_o london_n to_o the_o house_n of_o commons_o they_o send_v the_o complaint_n up_o to_o the_o lord_n the_o bishop_n ask_v the_o advice_n of_o the_o house_n who_o give_v this_o answer_n non_fw-la consentancum_fw-la fuit_fw-la aliquem_fw-la procerum_fw-la alicui_fw-la in_o eo_fw-la loco_fw-la responsurum_fw-la which_o have_v signify_v nothing_o if_o the_o bishop_n have_v not_o be_v allow_v to_o be_v proceres_fw-la regni_fw-la so_o much_o for_o his_o negative_a precedent_n ii_o some_o of_o his_o precedent_n be_v condemn_v in_o parliament_n to_o be_v irregular_a and_o erroneous_a in_o other_o respect_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n if_o they_o shall_v be_v so_o in_o this_o 1._o the_o judgement_n upon_o roger_n mortimer_n earl_n of_o march_z 4_o ed._n iii_o be_v reverse_v in_o parliament_n 28_o ed._n iii_o as_o defective_a and_o erroneous_a in_o all_o point_n be_v without_o any_o proof_n or_o witness_n or_o bring_v the_o person_n to_o answer_v for_o himself_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o honour_n for_o the_o bishop_n not_o to_o be_v present_a 2._o the_o judgement_n upon_o haxey_n 24._o 20_o r._n ii_o be_v confess_v by_o the_o author_n to_o be_v most_o unjust_a and_o will_v not_o only_o have_v shake_v but_o whole_o destroy_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o parliament_n and_o reverse_v 1_o h._n iu_o as_o against_o right_n and_o course_n of_o parliament_n and_o he_o confess_v the_o bishop_n be_v present_a at_o condemn_v it_o but_o not_o at_o pass_v it_o which_o also_o make_v much_o for_o their_o honour_n iii_o some_o of_o his_o precedent_n prove_v that_o when_o the_o bishop_n do_v withdraw_v they_o do_v it_o voluntary_o and_o take_v care_n to_o preserve_v their_o right_n either_o by_o protestation_n or_o appoint_v a_o proxy_n 1_o that_o they_o withdraw_v voluntary_o so_o 5_o ed._n iii_o it_o be_v say_v 8._o that_o the_o bishop_n do_v withdraw_v at_o that_o time_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o it_o do_v not_o proper_o belong_v to_o they_o to_o give_v counsel_n about_o keep_v the_o peace_n and_o punish_v of_o malefactor_n and_o so_o say_v he_o they_o go_v away_o by_o themselves_o and_o return_v no_o more_o but_o although_o this_o prove_v nothing_o but_o a_o voluntary_a act_n of_o the_o bishop_n in_o withdraw_v yet_o the_o representation_n make_v of_o this_o matter_n be_v so_o partial_a and_o different_a from_o the_o record_n that_o i_o can_v but_o take_v a_o little_a more_o notice_n of_o it_o 1._o he_o say_v that_o the_o prelate_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o it_o belong_v not_o proper_o to_o they_o to_o give_v counsel_n about_o keep_v the_o peace_n or_o punish_v such_o evil_n they_o go_v away_o by_o themselves_o and_o return_v no_o more_o thereby_o insinuate_v that_o they_o look_v on_o this_o matter_n as_o whole_o unfit_a for_o they_o to_o meddle_v in_o and_o thereupon_o leave_v the_o house_n whereas_o the_o word_n of_o the_o record_n be_v si_fw-mi alerent_fw-la mesme_n les_fw-fr prelatz_n &_o les_fw-fr procurator_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr clergy_n per_fw-la eux_fw-fr mesme_n a_o conseiler_n de_fw-fr choses_fw-fr susdite_n &_o les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr countess_n baron_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n per_fw-la eux_fw-fr mesme_n so_o the_o prelate_n and_o proctor_n of_o the_o clergy_n go_v by_o themselves_o toconsult_a about_o the_o aforesaid_a matter_n and_o the_o earl_n baron_n and_o other_o great_a man_n by_o themselves_o so_o that_o this_o withdraw_n be_v but_o into_o several_a committee_n as_o be_v usual_a at_o that_o time_n by_o which_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o 3_o estate_n be_v best_o understand_v and_o then_o they_o meet_v together_o and_o agree_v upon_o what_o be_v fit_a to_o be_v make_v a_o law_n this_o appear_v by_o 6_o edw._n iii_o a_o quen_n jour_fw-fr de_fw-fr joedi_fw-la eu_fw-fr ont_fw-fr trete_n &_o deliberation_n cest_fw-fr assavoir_fw-fr les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr prelate_n per_fw-la eux_fw-fr mesme_n &_o les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr countess_n baron_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n per_fw-la eux_fw-fr mesme_n &_o auxint_n les_fw-fr chivaler_n des_fw-fr count_n per_fw-la eux_fw-fr mesme_n upon_o which_o thursday_n they_o enter_v upon_o debate_n concern_v the_o news_n from_o scotland_n the_o prelate_n by_o themselves_o the_o lord_n and_o other_o great_a man_n by_o themselves_o and_o so_o the_o knight_n of_o county_n by_o themselves_o the_o house_n be_v then_o not_o whole_o separate_v nor_o always_o together_o but_o divide_v into_o committee_n and_o not_o into_o house_n as_o occasion_v require_v and_o then_o join_v together_o to_o express_v their_o common_a sense_n so_o 40_o ed._n iii_o when_o the_o occasion_n of_o their_o meeting_n be_v deliver_v which_o be_v a_o extraordinary_a message_n from_o rome_n the_o pope_n send_v for_o tribute_n and_o homage_n it_o be_v say_v the_o bishop_n go_v by_o themselves_o and_o the_o other_o lord_n by_o themselves_o and_o the_o commons_o by_o themselves_o and_o then_o meet_v together_o and_o declare_v their_o unanimous_a resolution_n to_o oppose_v to_o the_o uttermost_a any_o such_o demand_n such_o a_o withdraw_a of_o the_o bishop_n it_o be_v in_o this_o case_n for_o they_o and_o the_o proctor_n of_o the_o clergy_n whether_o by_o they_o we_o understand_v the_o procuratores_fw-la cleri_fw-la who_o according_a to_o the_o modus_fw-la tenendi_fw-la parlamentum_fw-la make_v a_o part_n of_o the_o parliament_n or_o the_o proxy_n of_o the_o absent_a bishop_n who_o be_v allow_v to_o supply_v their_o place_n as_o appear_v by_o 35_o ed._n i._o and_o the_o case_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o durham_n and_o carlisle_n in_o the_o parliament_n at_o westminster_n ed._n ii_o and_o 17_o r._n ii_o and_o many_o other_o instance_n afterward_o think_v fit_a to_o consider_v in_o this_o matter_n what_o be_v most_o proper_a for_o they_o and_o according_o we_o find_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n add_v to_o the_o civil_a sanction_n and_o bring_v in_o by_o the_o prelate_n at_o that_o time_n which_o be_v still_o extant_a in_o the_o record_n 2._o whereas_o he_o say_v the_o bishop_n return_v no_o more_o the_o record_n say_v the_o
the_o examination_n of_o a_o case_n capital_a what_o the_o importance_n of_o this_o phrase_n of_o full_a parliament_n be_v will_v best_o appear_v by_o the_o use_n of_o it_o in_o the_o record_n of_o that_o time_n 4_o ed._n iii_o n._n 6._o et_fw-la est_fw-la assentu_fw-la &_o accord_v per_fw-la nostre_fw-fr seigneur_fw-fr le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr &_o touz_v les_fw-fr grantz_n en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n where_o it_o be_v agree_v that_o the_o proceeding_n at_o that_o time_n by_o the_o lord_n against_o those_o who_o be_v not_o peer_n shall_v not_o be_v draw_v into_o consequence_n and_o that_o the_o peer_n shall_v be_v charge_v only_o to_o try_v peer_n which_o have_v all_o the_o formality_n of_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n and_o therefore_o all_o the_o estate_n be_v present_a n._n 8._o accord_n est_fw-la per_fw-la nostre_fw-fr seigneur_fw-fr le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr &_o son_n conseil_n en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n which_o be_v a_o act_n of_o pardon_n concern_v those_o who_o follow_v the_o earl_n of_o lancaster_n 5_o ed._n iii_o n._n 10._o we_o have_v the_o particular_a mention_n of_o the_o bishop_n as_o some_o of_o those_o who_o do_v make_v a_o full_a parliament_n accord_n est_fw-la per_fw-la nostre_fw-fr seigneur_fw-fr le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr prelatz_n countess_n baron_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n du_fw-fr roialm_n en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n and_o n._n 17._o en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n si_fw-la prierent_fw-la les_fw-fr prelatz_n countess_n baron_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n de_fw-fr mesme_fw-fr le_fw-fr parliament_n a_o nostre_fw-fr seigneur_fw-fr le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr etc._n etc._n 6_o ed._n iii_o n._n 5._o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n make_v his_o oration_n en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n which_o be_v explain_v by_o en_fw-fr la_fw-fr presence_n nostre_fw-fr seigneur_fw-fr le_fw-fr roi_fw-fr &_o the_o touz_v les_fw-fr prelatz_n &_o autres_fw-fr grantz_n n._n 9_o si_fw-mi est_fw-la accord_n &_o assentu_fw-la per_fw-la touz_v en_fw-fr pleyn_n parliament_n who_o those_o be_v we_o be_v tell_v before_o in_o the_o same_o number_n viz._n les_fw-fr prelatz_n countess_n baronn_n &_o touz_v les_fw-fr autres_fw-fr somon_n a_o mesme_fw-fr le_fw-fr parliament_n which_o be_v the_o clear_a explication_n of_o full_a parliament_n in_o the_o presence_n of_o all_o those_o who_o be_v summon_v to_o parliament_n from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o where_o a_o full_a parliament_n be_v mention_v at_o that_o time_n the_o bishop_n be_v certain_o present_a and_o consequent_o do_v assist_v at_o the_o trial_n of_o thomas_n lord_n berkely_n who_o appear_v before_o the_o king_n in_o full_a parliament_n as_o nich._n de_fw-fr segrave_n do_v 33_o ed._n i._o and_o there_o the_o bishop_n be_v express_o mention_v as_o present_v as_o appear_v by_o what_o have_v be_v say_v before_o concern_v his_o case_n 5_o h._n iu_o henry_n hotspur_n son_n to_o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n be_v declare_v a_o traitor_n by_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n in_o full_a parliament_n and_o the_o same_o day_n the_o father_n be_v upon_o examination_n acquit_v of_o treason_n by_o the_o peer_n it_o be_v not_o say_v that_o this_o be_v do_v in_o full_a parliament_n as_o the_o other_o be_v but_o there_o be_v several_a circumstance_n which_o make_v it_o very_o probable_a the_o bishop_n be_v then_o present_a 1._o when_o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n take_v his_o oath_n of_o fidelity_n to_o the_o king_n he_o do_v it_o say_v the_o record_n upon_o the_o cross_n of_o the_o archbishop_n which_o be_v to_o be_v carry_v before_o he_o if_o he_o go_v out_o of_o the_o house_n 2._o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n pray_v the_o king_n that_o forasmuch_o as_o himself_o and_o other_o bishop_n be_v suspect_v to_o be_v in_o piercie_n conspiracy_n that_o the_o earl_n may_v upon_o his_o oath_n declare_v the_o truth_n who_o thereupon_o do_v clear_v they_o all_o which_o show_v that_o the_o archbishop_n be_v then_o present_a in_o the_o house_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o he_o be_v present_a we_o may_v just_o suppose_v the_o other_o bishop_n to_o have_v be_v so_o too_o 3._o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n beseech_v the_o lord_n and_o earl_n and_o commoner_n that_o if_o he_o break_v this_o oath_n they_o will_v intercede_v no_o more_o with_o the_o king_n for_o he_o now_o the_o better_a to_o understand_v this_o we_o be_v to_o consider_v that_o h._n iu._n take_v notice_n in_o his_o declaration_n upon_o the_o rebellion_n of_o sir_n henry_n piercy_n 366._o that_o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n and_o his_o son_n give_v out_o that_o they_o can_v have_v no_o access_n to_o the_o king_n but_o by_o the_o mediation_n of_o the_o bishop_n and_o earl_n and_o therefore_o do_v beseech_v they_o to_o intercede_v with_o the_o king_n for_o they_o it_o be_v not_o then_o probable_a that_o those_o shall_v be_v now_o leave_v out_o when_o the_o word_n be_v large_a enough_o to_o comprehend_v they_o and_o no_o one_o circumstance_n be_v bring_v to_o exclude_v they_o for_o that_o general_a one_o of_o 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