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A13028 An assertion for true and Christian church-policie VVherein certaine politike obiections made against the planting of pastours and elders in every congregation, are sufficientlie aunswered. And wherein also sundrie projectes are set downe, how the discipline by pastors & elders may be planted, without any derogation to the Kings royal prerogatiue, any indignitie to the three estates in Parleament, or any greater alteration of the laudable lawes, statutes, or customes of the realme, then may well be made without damage to the people. Stoughton, William, fl. 1584.; Knollys, Francis, Sir, d. 1643. 1604 (1604) STC 23318; ESTC S117843 177,506 448

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