great Poverty and many of them forced to forsake the Country the same being the first and most useful Plantation in the large Province of Ulster to the great weakning of the Kingdom in this time of danger the said Plantation being the principal Strength of those parts 9. The late Erection of the Court of High Commission for Causes Ecclesiastical in these necessitous Times the proceedings of the said Court in many Causes without legal Warrant and yet so supported as Prohibitions have not been obtained though legally sought for And the excessive Fees exacted by the Ministers thereof and the encroaching of the same upon the Jurisdiction of other Ecclesiastical Courts of this Kingdom 10. The exorbitant Fees and pretended Customs exacted by the Clergy against the Law some of which have been formerly represented to your Lordship 11. The Petitioners do most heartily bemoan that His Majesties Service and Profit are much more impaired than advanced by the Grievances aforesaid and the Subsidies granted in the last Parliament having much encreased His Majesties Revenue by the buying of Grants and otherwise And that all His Majesties Debts then due in this Kingdom were satisfied out of the said Subsidies and yet His Majesty is of late as the Petitioners have been informed in the House of Commons become indebted in this Kingdom in great Sums And they do therefore humbly beseech That an exact Account may be sent to His Majesty how and in what manner His Treasure is issued 12. The Petitioners do humbly conceive just and great fears at a Proclamation published in this Kingdom in Anno Domini 1635. prohibiting men of Quality or Estates to depart this Kingdom into England without the Lord-Deputies Licence whereby the Subjects of this Kingdom are hindred and interrupted from free access to address to His Sacred Majesty and Privy-Council of England to declare their just Grievances or to obtain Remedies for them in such sort as their Ancestors have done in all Ages since the Reign of King Henry the Second and great Fees exacted for every of the said Licences 13. That of late His Majesties Attorney-General hath exhibited Informations against many ancient Burroughs of this Kingdom into His Majesties Court of Exchequer to shew cause by what Warrant the said Burgesses who heretofore sent Burgesses to Parliament should send the Burgesses to the Parliament and thereupon for want of an Answer the said Priviledges of sending Burgesses was seized by the said Court which Proceedings were altogether Coram non Iudice and contrary to the Laws and Priviledges of the House of Parliament and if way should be given thereunto would tend to the Subversion of Parliaments and by Consequence to the Ruine and Destruction of the Common Wealth And that the House of Commons hath hitherto in this present Parliament been deprived of the Advice and Counsel of many profitable and good Members by means thereof 14. By the Powerfulness of some Ministers of State in this Kingdom the Parliament in its Members and Actions hath not its natural Freedom 15. And lastly That the Gentry and Merchants and other His Majesties Subjects of this Kingdom are of late by the Grievances and Pressures before said and other the like brought very near to Ruine and Destruction And the Farmers of Customs Customers Waiters Searchers Clerks of Unwarrantable Proceedings Pursevants and Goalers and sundry others very much enriched whereby and by the slow Redress of the Petitioners Grievances His Majesties most Faithful and Dutiful People of this Kingdom do conceive great fears that their readiness approved upon all occasions hath not been of late rightly represented to His Sacred Majesty For remedy whereof the said Petitioners do humbly and of right beseech your Lordships That the said Grievances and Pressures may be speedily Redressed and if your Lordship shall not think fit to afford present Relief that your Lordship might admit a Select Committee of this House of Persons uninteressed in the benefit arising of the aforesaid Grievances to be Licenced by your Lordship to repair to His Sacred Majesty in England for to pursue the same and to obtain fitting remedy for their aforesaid and other just Grievances and Oppressions and upon all just and honourable Occasions they will without respect of particular Interest or Profit to be raised thereby most humbly and readily in Parliament extend their utmost endeavour to serve His Majesty and comply with His Royal and Princely Occasions and shall pray c. Monday November 30th 1640. Sir Thomas Roe Mr. Pym Mr. Strode Mr. St. Iohns Mr. Grimston Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle Mr. Hampden Mr. Maynard Mr. Hyde Mr. Whistler Mr. Palmer Mr. Glyn Mr. Solicitor Mr. Selden My Lord Dungarvan Sir Francis Seymor Sir Hugh Cholmely Lord Wenman Sir Io. Evelyn Sir Benjamin Rudyard Sir Iames Thynn Sir Iohn Culpepper Sir Iohn Strangwaies Sir Symon D'Ewes Mr. George Vane Lord Cramborne Lord Compton Mr. Bellassis Mr. Kirton Sir Thomas Hutchison Sir William Bowyer Sir Iames Smith Sir Arthur Ingram Lord Russell Lord Ruthin Mr. Comisby Mr. Noel Sir Thomas Bowyer Mr. Cecill Lord Fairfax Sir Thomas Widdrington Sir Peter Hayman Sir Iohn Holland Mr. Iames Fynes Sir Robert Crane Sir Iohn Corbet Mr. Io. Alford Sir Roger North Sir Edmond Mountford Mr. Whitlocke Mr. Mountagne Lord Faulkland Sir Peter Stapleton Sir Henry Mildmay Lord Herbert Sir Richard Wynn Sir Edward Rodney Sir Ralph Hopton This Committee is to meet with the Committee of 30 of the Lords concerning a Message sent hither on Friday last from their Lordships touching a Message sent formerly from this House to them by Mr. Pym for the Examination of their Members in the Accusation of the Earl of Strafford and touching a free Conference upon the last Point of that Message that some of the Members of this House should be present at the Examination of Witnesses to be propounded by this House to be examined in the Accusation of the Earl of Strafford The Petition of several of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland whose Names are underwritten directed to the whole House of Commons in England read The Humble Petition of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland whose Names are underwritten To the King 's most Excellent Majesty read The two Gentlemen Mr. Io. Bellewe and Mr. Oliver Castle who brought over those Petitions were called in and demanded by Mr. Speaker several Questions These Gentlemen were again called in and Mr. Speaker told them This House has taken into Consideration your Petition and in due time you shall know the Pleasure of this House Ordered That the Lieutenant of the Tower be required from this House that he do not suffer Sir George Ratcliff to speak with the Earl of Strafford a Prisoner there until further Order be given from this House nor suffer any Message or Letter to be sent from Sir George Ratcliff unto him or if any such be to
particular witnesses only I shall humbly desire That the Remonstrance of the Parliament of Ireland both of the Lords and of the Commons may be read And they will give a sufficient Testimony of the quality of his Justice 14. The 14th My Lords is this That he hath been a Means to His Majesty for a Parliament in England It is true he was And it is as true that we count that as mischievous a part of his design as any thing else Into what a miserable Dilemma My Lords did he bring the Kingdom that we must surrender the Liberties of the Kingdom in Parliament or see them oppressed with Force and Violence out of Parliament The particulars of this I shall leave for the instant for there is an Article that concerns this I have now passed through all the material parts of the Apologetical Preamble He concludes with a desire That he may not be charged with Errors of his understanding or Judgment being not bred up in the Law or with weakness to which humane Nature is subject Truly it would be far from us to charge him with any such mistakes No My Lords we shall charge him with nothing but what the Law in every mans breast condemns the Light of nature the Light of common reason the Rules of common Society And that will appear in all the Articles which my Colleagues will offer to you My Lords I have some few Witnesses which I shall desire may be heard to the points I have opened and I shall in the first place desire that Sir Pierce Crosby may be heard concerning the breach of Priviledge in Parliament Also Sir Iohn Clotworthy Nich. Barnewell Nich. Plunket and Sir Iames Montgomery I have some Witnesses to the point of Revenue Sir Robert Pye Sir Edward Warder and Sir Adam Loftus Gentlemen You who are of the Committee I am commanded to let you know That the Lords will allow you all the Testimonies you can produce to make good the Impeachment but the Witnesses which you do produce must be deposed before their Lordships Mr. Pym replied My Lords the Commons agree to it and in the first place we shall call Sir Pierce Crosby who was sworn accordingly My Lords I humbly crave leave whether I may not make my exception to any Witness Yes you may We desire to be heard upon that point of Exception That if my Lord of Strafford will make any Exception why a Witness should not be heard at all it may be according to the Rules of Justice The Lord High Steward declaring the Prisoner might except against the person of the Witness if he have just Cause my Lord of Strafford proceeded in substance as followeth My Lords I humbly conceive that I have against this Gentleman Sir Pierce Crosby just occasion of Exception as not being a competent Witness for that the said Sir Pierce hath been sentenced in the Star-Chamber for a very undue practise against me tending to no less than the taking away of my Life charging me and practising to prove it by Testimony of witness that I had killed a man in Ireland whom I protest I did never so much as touch That ever since the said Sir Pierce having broke Prison and made an Escape out of the Fleet he hath remained abroad and never came hither till such time as the Parliament sate here and now is returned to make Complaint in this business against me or indeed against the Court of Star-Chamber rather And standing thus whether the said Sir Pierce shall be allowed a Witness against me I humbly refer it to Your Lordships Judgments My Lords We expected my Lord of Strafford would have shown on what reason Sir Pierce was censured for a man Criminous in one kind may be nevertheless fit to give Testimony in another kind If it be a particular practice against my Lord of Strafford when their Lordships have heard what that practice was and have heard likewise the Witness they will believe him according to the weight of the Testimony compared with the fault or whatsoever else is in the Sentence But in the mean time they conceive it is no Exception but that the Witness should be heard This that is charged on my Lord of Strafford being a Crime of High Treason it concerns the Common-wealth the King being party and not the Witness that is produced And whereas it is informed that Sir Pierce Crosby brake Prison The Gentleman tells us it is not so he paid the Kings Fine and so was discharged But though he had it will not take away his Testimony when he is present which he said he spake only to give satisfaction to that aspersion I must desire their Lordships directions whether Sir Pierce Crosby be allowed notwithstanding my Lord of Straffords exceptions against him and Mr. Maynards allegations why his Testimony should be given in this case or no And divers of their Lordships called to have the House Adjourned to the House above that they might there debate and determine it Mr. Pym did thereupon offer that they will at present lay him aside till their Lordships have had opportunity to consider and bring him again to morrow whereunto Mr. Maynard added this further We desire rightly to express our selves to Your Lordships We will lay him aside till Your Lordships have heard others not that they wave him wholly And we pray it may be so entred The Lord Steward declaring it so to be It is so understood In the next place we desire that Sir Iohn Clotworthy may be called whom we produce to this point That during the Parliament in Ireland for speaking against a Bill in the Commons House he was threatned by Sir George Ratcliffe whom we take to be bound up in one Cause with my Lord of Strafford and to be moved by my Lord of Straffords spirit and that Parliaments are not Priviledges when Parliament Liberties are not observed Sir Iohn Clotworthy was sworn My Lords We desire he may be asked whether for having delivered his Opinion against a Bill preferred to the Parliament in Ireland by the Earl of Strafford about the 10th year of this King he was not asked by Sir George Ratcliffe concerning a Lease that he had the question intimating a Threat that he should suffer for speaking so freely To which he answered My Lords In the 10th year of the King I serving in Ireland in Parliament did Vote against a Bill as soon as I had Voted against it Sir George Ratcliffe being one of the Tellers on his counting the numbers how many Yea's and how many No's He came to me and said thus Have not you a Lease in such a place I told him yea remember that saith he This is all I can remember And this he added was in the Commons House 2. He being interrogated whether he knew any thing of Sir Pierce Crosbies Commitment or no He answered I know it only
I told the Lieutenant that I did hold the Council-Chamber could not hold Plea of this and thereupon cited 28 H. 6. the Book of Orders the Proclamation Then I moved his Lordship that in regard Gwyn was a poor man and not answerable and might get the Rents being near 100 marks a year he might give security for the Rents if I should recover them by course of Law That my Lord of Strafford thought it just it should be so entred in the Order And being asked how that came to be left out He Answered That Sir Paul Davis the Clerk of the Council told him my Lord of Strafford found fault with it and struck it out with his own hand Being asked what words he heard from my Lord of Strafford concerning the said Order at Council-Board in King Iames his time He Answered That there was a Parsonage in the County of Kerry in his Presentment and it fell void the Dean and some others commended one Atkinson to be his Vicar That on their Commendation not knowing him himself he presented him without any consideration That Atkinson afterwards fell into decay and was Imprisoned and the Prison being very loathsome the Bishop wrote unto him this Deponent and sent him a Lease under the Hand and Seal of him the said Bishop and the Incumbent with a Label for his the Deponents hand and desired him to seal it for 40 s. a year to another that Atkinson might pay his Debts and stock himself with Cattle That he the Deponent refused it though brought 50 miles from his House fearing it might be prejudicial to the next Clerk That the Bishop sent Atkinson's Wife back over the Mountains with his Letter and the Lease and he the Earl of Corke did sign it then For seeing the misery of the poor Woman and her Children he thought it a work of Charity and it continued so till my Lord of Strafford came to the Government That then he had a Bill preferred against him in the Star-Chamber for breaking an Act of State That none should make a Lease for longer than the Incumbents life and desired that the Bill should be read in all the Proceedings of it That thereupon he told the Earl of Strafford it was a work of Charity and he never heard of such an Act of State being not published and made in King Iames his time and in the Lord Grandisons Government who are both dead And therefore he conceived there was no cause to charge or prosecute him for it being but an Act of State That my Lord of Strafford Answered I tell you my Lord as Great as you are I will make you and all the Subjects of Ireland know That any Act of State made or to be made shall be as binding to you and the Subjects of Ireland during my Government as an Act of Parliament Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether the Order made in the Case of Gwyn was not made by the major part of the Votes of the Board He Answered That he did say that it was Voted at the Council-Table but he knows not whether it were done by the major part and afterwards with a lower voice His Lordship added that he thinks it was never Voted Iohn Waldron Sworn was examined touching the words my Lord of Strafford was charged to say touching an Act of State being equal to an Act of Parliament and the occasion He Answered It was his chance to be at Council-Table when a Cause depending between the Merchants of Galloway and some others that prosecuted the business in behalf of the Church about a Lease made by the Dean of Derry which was debated at the Council-Board And there was one Mr. Martin of Council for the Merchants and he pressing hard for his Clients It pleased my Lord to think he had over-shot himself or was too forward and asked what he had to say that he prest that Cause so hard That Mr. Martin Answered him He had an Act of Parliament or Statute or to that purpose That my Lord of Strafford Replied again Sir I will make you know That an Act of this Board shall be as good as any Act or Statute or words to that effect Iohn Kay after some Exceptions taken by the Earl of Strafford against him as no fit Witness in respect of his prosecuting a Suit against his Lordship for the Lady Hibbotts which was Over-ruled by their Lordships was sworn and being asked touching the said words to be spoken by the Earl of Strafford and the occasion and the time He Answered That he was present at Council-Table by chance when there was a Cause wherein Mr. Martin pleading for his Clients My Lord-Deputy then asked him What made him so earnest for it He said He had an Act of Parliament or Statute to justifie his Cause Hereupon my Lord-Deputy Answered He should know that as long as Himself sate in that Place An Act of State should be as strong as an Act of Parliament or words to that effect Being asked of the time He Answered He doth not remember the time but it was three years and upwards It was before Iuly 1637. but the Day and Year he remembers not but it was in the Case where Mr. Martin was Council My Lord Corke being asked about the time he said It was in 1635. about February Mr. Waldron being asked Whether it was in a Church-Cause Answered My Lord-Deputy made an Offer That if they would take a Lease for 21 years at full value they should have it But if they would stand on the Trial of the Lease they must take the adventure And Mr. Hoy being asked Whether it was a Church-Cause He Answered He conceived the Church was Interested in it Lord Kill mallock asked Whether he heard my Lord Strafford say An Act of Council should be as Valid as an Act of Parliament when on what occasion and to what scope He Answered That he was at Council-Table some four or five years ago and there did hear my Lord of Strafford say to one of the Council he cannot say it was Mr. Martin He would have him know as long as himself was Governor An Act of State should be as binding as an Act of Parliament on what occasion he cannot say He further said That in the 10th Year of the King in the Parliament held in Ireland he heard Sir George Ratcliffe my Lord of Strafford's Eccho in that House say On occasion of a Bill that was cast out in that House making it Felony for any to have Powder without Licence It is all one he would have an Act of State for it which should be as binding as an Act of Parliament Sir Pierce Crosby was asked Whether he heard my Lord of Strafford at another time say An Act of Council should be as valid as an Act of Parliament when on what occasion to what intent He Answered That he doth very well remember the words the time not precisely but he was sure it was soon
Pattern from my Lord Faulkland my Lord Grandison and my Lord Chichester and he did it by the Power he had the Honour to hold under His Majesty as General That yet he used them so sparingly that neither in that time nor in the Government of Munster in which he had as large Authority as ever any man had he never did condemn a man to death in peaceable times and that the Authority hath been good That Martial-Law is so frequent and ordinary in Ireland that it is not to be denied and so little offensive there that the Common Law takes no exception at it That he hath lived to see three or four Parliaments there and they never complained of it And to Govern an Army without Martial-Law is impossible for occasions in an Army rise on a suddain and something must be done on a suddain for example-sake to others That Martial-Law was certainly in Ireland ever since he remembers and long before but it hath been used so sparingly that in the time of Peace for his part he did never know any executed in his time Being asked on the Lord Strafford's Motion Whether he hath known Sir Charles Coote as Provost-Martial of Conaught and Sir Iohn Bower Provost-Marshall of Leimster in time of Peace execute divers Persons Rebels and others by Martial-Law He Answered For Sir Charles Coote he can very well answer though he had Authority yet it is out of his memory that he ever executed any And for Sir Iohn Bower he dwelleth remote from him that the said Sir Iohn Bower hath Authority and so have many other Presidents Marshalls of the Army Provost-Marshalls of every Province and upon great Reasons for it for though they be Inferior men yet the intent of their Commission is but to prosecute those men that cannot be had into the Law that is Rebels and Fugitives and those men he hath heard have been hanged Whence my Lord of Strafford inferred That he had done nothing de Novo That Provost-Marshalls have been always appointed and executed those Places under the General for the time being The Committee admitted that there be four Provost-Marshalls but deny that they exercise Marshall-Law That those Provost-Marshalls have executed divers men to death by Marshall-Law Rebels and Traytors I desire to produce an Order of my Lord of Faulkland's taken from his Book of Entries but being not proved nor written with my Lord Faulkland's own hand the reading of it was not admitted but left to their Lordships Consideration To prove the Practise of the Provost-Marshalls Sir Adam Loftus being asked concerning the Provost-Marshalls executing of Marshall-Law before my Lord of Strafford's time and on what men He Answered That it is most apparent in all times since he can remember Martial-Law hath been executed that 's undoubted But it was on Rebels and Out-Laws and he hath known no other but such executed by Martial-Law Lord Robert Dillon being asked to the same purpose Answered He hath heard the Provost-Marshals have taken and hanged men by Martial-Law in time of Peace since the beginning of King Iames his Reign that of Rebels and Out-Laws there is no question My Lord of Strafford desired to compare his Orders with those of my Lord of Wilmotts And they were compared accordingly in divers Articles His Lordship produced a Copy of His Majesties Letter attested to be a true Copy by Charles Gibson Which was read being the Letter recited in the Sentence of my Lord Mountnorris I observe That the Sentence of my Lord Mountnorris takes notice that the Army was part of it in motion and divers Companies daily exercised and that my self was for the most part there present which shews the truth of my Answer to that Point in part To free my self from the said Sentence I desire a Letter from my self and Council of War to Secretary Cook 13. December immediately after the Sentence may be read to shew that I was a Suitor to the King in my Lord Mountnorris's behalf But being after the Sentence and written by himself and the Council of War for extenuating of the Fact the reading of it was over-ruled I conceive my Lord Renula and Lord Dillon made it appear that I declined giving Judgment in the Sentence But for further proof Sir Robert Farrer was asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not declare he would be no Judge nor give Opinion in that Cause and whether he sate bare He Answered That he was present at the Sentence and heard my Lord of Strafford say that he would give no Judgment nor have to do with the business concerning my Lord Mountnorris and he sate a good time with his hat off Being asked on one of the Committees motion touching his pressing of both the Articles He said He acknowledged my Lord did require Judgment on both Articles and yet sate silent at the time they were upon the Sentence Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not desire them to regard him no more than an ordinary Officer and do no otherwise than in reason and judgment they should think fit He Answered My Lord of Strafford said these very words That they should not look upon him but go to the Cause according to their Opinion directly And being asked Whether my Lord Mountnorris was a Captain of the Army He Answered Yes and the Council did admit it Sir George Wentworth being asked to the same purpose as Sir Robert Farrer He Answered He was present at the Sentence and heard my Lord of Stafford say publickly He did not sit there as a Judge and that he would give no Vote in it Being asked Whether my Lord of Stafford did not tell Sir George Wentworth that he should give no Vote in it because he was his Lordships Brother He Answered Yes and he gave no Judgment upon that reason that my Lord of Strafford did publickly bid them all look on him as a private man and sate by as a Suitor not as a Judge and put off his hat at the beginning to speak and sate uncovered all the while till Sentence was pronounced To shew that my Lord Mountnorris was enlarged by me presently after I here produce the Warrant Dated 18. December though indeed he was released 15. December The denial of my Lord Mountnorris to examine Witnesses was by my Lord Cromwell Sir Charles Coote Sir Iohn Burlacy not by me I sitting by as a private party For this I refer to my Lord Mountnorris's own Deposition and my Lord Renula's To prove it further Sir Robert Farrer was asked touching the denying of further time and Council He Answered He cannot tell who denied him he remembers my Lord Cromwell spake something but knows not whether to that effect Sir Robert Farrer being asked on one of the Managers Motion Whether before their coming together they did know the occasion of their meeting He Answered He did not he was warned to attend and did not know the business till he came thither I did never
power higher and above the Law He would frame a new Law and for not observing that a new Punishment too He sayes There is nothing of the Ecclesiastical Discipline in the Oath but the Witnesses expresse it that my Lord interpreted it to extend to the observation of the Ceremonies and Government of the Church established and to be established His denial to speak the words That he would root out the Scotch Nation doth not disprove that which is so clearly and strongly proved by two Witnesses He sayes He should be Frantick if he should speak such words but one of the Witnesses said He exprest himself to be transported and that he knew not what he said in that Sentence He sayes He never received wrong from that Nation but Curtesies then those words show the more Ingratitude He says Sir Iames Mountgomery speaks nothing that sticks on him It is true he speaks only to the Contravening of the Oath but he shows that to be expresly otherwise then in my Lords Answer He confesses he gave the Oath but whether he did or no his Authority Injoyning of it would have been all one He says Sir Iames Mountgomery desired the words Iust and Lawful Commands might be added and that my Lord expounded it No other were intended But then there was the less reason to deny the inserting some of them for their sakes that were tender and desired to have them put in for their satisfaction He sayes That Sir Iohn Clotworthy deposes That Multitudes of the Scotch Nation went away but he names none But if Sir Iohn be Asked he will give very good satisfaction Sir Iohn Clotworthy being Asked to that Point He Answered That he might easily amongst so great a Multitude Remember so few names and when he heard my Lord of Straffords Exception Multitudes did throng in upon him whereof he did now particularly name about six and said He could name a great many more Being Asked concerning the Execution of Trueman as a Traytor for the matter of Knockfergus He Answered That he was at Knockfergus at the Assizes when this Trial was concerning this Trueman and was then on the Bench and heard all the passages of the business whereof he made this brief Relation as followeth This Trueman was an Englishman that dwelt not far from Knockfergus and one that was sent about the Country but by whom Sir John could not tell but there were vehement Suspitions that he was Imployed to find out those that would engage in Discourse concerning the Scotch business he spake with one Captain Giles who feigned himself a great Friend of the Scotch Nation and said That he conceived they were greatly distressed and wished that he could use means whereby they might be eased Hence he discoursed with True-man who was but a silly Man and got from him words whereby he discovered a good will to the Scotch Nation and some discourse about the Castle of Knockfergus insomuch that he got Truemans Letter to recommend him into Scotland whether he pretended a desire to go to serve under that Command Upon this he produced the Letter and that was given in Evidence against him and so he was Condemned and Executed Mr. Whitlock proceeded and said My Lord alledgeth for his Justification another Oath enjoyned here to the Scots by the Authority of the Council-Board but this gives no Countenance to that in Ireland for the Oath enjoyn'd there was another after that enjoyned by my Lord of Strafford therefore that which came first can receive no colour from that which came last And the Oath here being the same as near as we can remember with that in Ireland was rather a Precedent for this Howsoever the Committee never heard that the Oath here was executed or enjoyned to any Though Richard Salmon was mistaken in point of time of speaking those words of the Scotch Nation at the Sentence yet he speaks to the substance and matter of the Sentence and Words and it was when my Lord of Strafford was in Ireland and though the name of the Month be mistaken it cannot weaken his Testimony and my Lord of Strafford confesses he was at the Sentence and the day before he came to England And with him concurs Loftus though not in Words yet in Substance My Lord produced Witnesses concerning these words Sir Philip Manwaring affirms my Lord said He was very sorry Stuart should be the only Man yet it is proved that diverse were brought to Dublin and Imprisoned there and many hundreds forsook the Kingdom and left their Estates therefore he could not be the onely man But though he and the rest remember not the words yet if the Witnesses produced do precisely remember them the forgetfulness of my Lord of Straffords Witness shall not at all Impeach the other So the Committee concluded thus That it stands clear that my Lord of Strafford hath assumed a power to himself above Law to Administer an Oath contrary to Law a new Oath to bind Mens Consciences with great severity He said formerly He would make an Act of State equal to an Act of Parliament and nothing can make an Oath but an Act of Parliament in this therefore he is as good as his word This is an assuming of a Power above Royal-Power for an Act of Parliament cannot be made without the Three Estates their Lordships and the Commons are Interested in it for this is not Penes Potestatem ministri Mr. Maynard added That some Exceptions had been taken against Sir Iames Mountgomery viz. That he was scrupulous to the Petition but not to the Oath My Lord of Strafford takes a Power to Administer an Oath It is hard to lay such Bonds on any but to put it on general and ambiguous words is much harder And how far that may intrench on any Man if for refusing such an Oath he shall be Sentenced in the Star-Chamber more then he is ever able to pay and more than my Lord of Strafford confesses he would expect payment of this is so transcendent an Incroachment that there cannot be a greater for it takes away Liberty of Conscience and endangers the whole Estate And the Kings Letter doth not justifie the proceeding at all for had my Lord persued that and gone no farther there had been no Complaint for His Majesty enjoyned him to take an Oath that might distinguish one from another but doth not enjoyn to punish them that refused it the Grievance is the Coertion of it and so under favour It is no Justification Mr. Stroude added That my Lord of Strafford at the end of his Speech said If this were Treason and the Occasion offered he would be ready to do it again And Mr. Stroude said He must confess he doth believe him and this makes him consider a heavy thing that once befel this Kingdom When Gaveston came to over-act his bold offences how heavy that befel the Kingdom he leaves to their Lordships Consideration My Lord of Strafford desired to
that have been by Precedent Deputies taken away I am likewise Charged to have drawn to my self a Dependence of the Irish Army Eight Thousand all Papists and likewise to have miscarried my self in a Commission intrusted with me before my going into Ireland concerning Compositions for Recusants This is a very heavy and grievous Charge and hath raised a great deal of Ill Opinion against me in the World to be a Fafourer and Contriver with Papists and I know not whom against the Religion I profess a Greater and Fouler Crime there cannot be against God or Man and yet this goes in Print all over the World and when it comes to the Point here is no Proof nor any part of the Charge made good And therefore since it is not made good by the Charge I humbly desire I may be vindicated in your Lordships Noble Opinions and the Opinions of all that hear me that I am in my Religion what I ought to be and that which I will Dye in and Maintain against all the World And I am so far from Contriving any thing to the hinderance of it that if God give me life I will serve it and prevent any inconvenience to it and my Religion and Duty to God is so Dear and precious to me that there is nothing in this World but I shall lay it down as Straw and Stubble under my feet and trample upon it rather then in any kind forfeit that but in the mean time I suffer and must be content My Lords The next is the 19th Article and that was for framing a New and Unusual Oath which the Scots did take in Ireland to give Pledges of their Allegiance to the King I have shewed you for that that the Oath was framed by the Kings express Command in Ianuary before the Oath was given which was I think in May. And I did then humbly conceive it lawful for me so to do being onely to take from them a Pledge of their Allegiance to the King I confess I conceived such an Oath might have been lawfully Administred to the People and shewed that the same Oath was Administred here in England to those of that Nation I shewed that it was taken in Ireland voluntarily And I humbly represent to your Lordships the time when this Oath was required when the King and both the Armies were in the Field lodged not far from one another And whereas it is said it should oblige the Clergy in Ecclesiastical Matters if your Lordships call to mind the very Oath it self cleares that Point requiring onely a Temporal Obedience and Allegiance in a time of that Danger and Distraction given by the Kings own Command and to no other purpose And my Lords the Proofes are nothing at all on the matter Sir Iames Mountgomery tells you a Tale not much Material nor Mr. Maxwell nor Sir Iohn Clotworthy there is nothing at all in it concerning Treason Stewarts Sentence remains onely to be Answered in this Article for that I conceive it was Justly and Fairly given as I then conceived I was one of the rest and nothing was intended by that Decree but his Reformation and when he had pleased to have taken the Oath he might have been released of the Sentence and sent home again quietly The next is the 20th Article Wherein I am Charged to be a Provoker and Incendiary of a War against His Majesties Subjects of the Scotch Nation and that I should say of them They were Rebels and Traitors and being about to come into England that I should say I would root out of the Kingdom the Scotish Nation Root and Branch My Lords I shall need no more to say in this for my being an Incendiary I think by the Proofe it hath been clearly made appear to your Lordships that I gave no Opinion but such as others did in the like Case It is proved by my Lord Traquair and my Lord Treasurer and might have been proved by many more if it had been needful For the Words that I should say The Rooting out the Scots Root and Branch They are onely testify'd by one single Witness Salmon the School-Master Swears it and no man else but he and I hope my Lords that when your Lordships do call to mind how he is Crost by his Fellow Witness Iohn Loftus your Lordships will be satisfied he Swears I will persecute them to the Blood and Root them out Root and Branch and I cannot tell what But Iohn Loftus said indeed that I said I hope that such of the Scotish Nation as would not submit to the Ecclesiastical Government I would root out stock and branch a wonderful difference between these two But my Lords it was testified by Mr. Secretary Manwaring then present that I neither spoke the one nor the other but as in my Answer I did truely and faithfully deliver it I said that unless they would take that Oath of Allegiance and secure the King of their Allegiance in that point I hope I should not see any of them stay in that Kingdom that refused it and there is no Proofe in the World but the School-Master and I hope your Lordships will not take him to be a good and valid proof to convince me in this Case being a person of no greater Quality and crossed by his fellow Witness For my self I do absolutely say I was so far from wishing ill to that Nation or any Dissension or Division between them that I never desired other in my heart and soul but a firm Peace through the Kings Dominions My Counsels tended to that and if I might seem to begin in a contrary way yet the last resort was to bring all to quietness and so that it should be without Blood And I dare say there be them that heard me say it many a time in the Kings Council That the King should be in nothing so much sparing and tender as to draw any Blood in that Quarrel I dare say many that heard it will Justifie me in it And if your Lordships will give me leave I do think I have something that might procure your Lordships beliefe that it was so for at that time my Fortune though now by Misfortune it be mean enough was such as I needed not desire to shuffle the Cards and deale a new and especially when nothing was to be got but Blows and that I trust will be an Argument to your Lordships that nothing was desired by me so much as Peace and that under Gods goodness and the Protection and Benefit of His Majesties Scepter I might enjoy the little Estate my Ancestors left me for it is certainly true whatever the World may think to the contrary it is very little better from what my Father left me something it is and the most part of the Improvement of it was before I came to serve the King and yet I have had more from the King then I deserved in all kinds and all the whole service of my Life were it
Parliament finding to the grief of our hearts that the Designs of the Priests and Jesuits and other Adherents to the See of Rome have of late been more boldly and frequently put in practise than formerly to the undermining and danger of the true Reformed Protestant Religion in His Majesties Dominions established And finding also that there hath been and having just cause to suspect there still are even during the Sitting in Parliament endeavours to subvert the Fundamental Laws of England and Ireland and to introduce the exercise of an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government by most pernicious and wicked Counsels Practises Plots and Conspiracies and that the long intermission and unhappier breach of Parliaments hath occasioned many illegal Taxations whereby the Subjects have been prosecuted and grieved And that divers Innovations and Superstitions have been brought into the Church Multitudes driven out of His Majesties Dominions Jealousies raised and fomented between the King and his people A Popish Army levied in Ireland and two Armies brought into the Bowels of this Kingdom to the hazard of His Majesties Royal Person the Consumption of the Revenue of the Crown and the Treasure of this Realm And lastly finding the great causes of jealousie that endeavours have been and are used to bring the English Army into a misunderstanding of this Parliament thereby to encline that Army by force to bring that Army to pass those wicked Counsels have therefore thought good to joyn our Selves in a Declaration of our united affections and Resolutions and to make this ensuing Protestation The Protestation I A. B. Doe in the presence of God Promise Vow and Protest to maintain and Defend as far as lawfully I may with my Life Power and Estate the true Reformed Protestant Religion expressed in the Doctrine of the Church of England against all Popery and Popish Innovation within this Realm contrary to the said Doctrine and according to the Duty of my Allegiance I will Maintain and Defend His Majesties Royal Person and Estate As also the Power and Priviledge of Parliaments the lawful Rights and Liberties of the Subjects And every Person that shall make this Protestation in whatsoever he shall do in the lawful pursuance of the same And to my power as far as lawfully I may I will oppose and by all good ways and means endeavour to bring to condigne punishment all such as shall by Force Practise Counsels Plots Conspiracies or otherwise do any thing to the contrary in this prsent Protestation contained And further That I shall in all Iust and Honourable ways endeavours to preserve the Union and Peace betwixt the Three Kingdoms of England Scotland and Ireland and neither for Hope Fear or any other Respects shall relinquish this Promise Vow and Protestation This Protestation was read by Mr. Mainard Here followeth the Names of the Members of the House of Commons who took the same May 3. 1640. viz. WIll Lenthal Esq Speak Edward Hide George L. Digby Lord Faulkland Sir Iohn Culpepper Iohn Selden Orlando Bridgeman Sir William Pennyman Sir Henry Herbert Sir Tho. Fanshaw Sir William Widdrington Sir Fredreick Cornwallis Robert Holborne Esq Tho. Chicheley Esq Sir George Wentworth William Mallory Esq Io. Bellasis Esq Sir Guy Palmes Edm. Waller Esq Sidney Godolphin Esq Sir Nich. Slany Sir Hen. Slingsby Tho Iermin Esq Sir Tho. Peyton Sir Philip Musgrave Sir Patricius Curwin Sir Iohn Stowel Sir Iohn Strangwayes Sir Iohn Paulet Sir Rich. Wynn. Tho. Tomkins Esq Arthur Capel Esq Iames L. Compton Sir Ralph Hopton Geofrey Palmer Esq Io. Vaughan Esq Edw. Montague Esq Geo. Montague Esq Will. Plydell Esq Sir Iohn Paulet Charles Price Esq Herbert Price Esq Sir Ralph Sidenham Fitzwilliam Cognisby Esq Baptist Noel Esq Sir Roger Palmer Iohn Coventry Esq Edw. Seymor Esq Sir Arthur Ingram Sir Tho. Ingram Sir Edw. Verney Sir Ralph Verney Eranics Newport Esq Ben. Weston Esq Lord Mansfield Sir William Carnaby Sir Nicholas Slaning Io. Craven Esq William Constantine Esq Sir Edw. Deering Sir Geo. Dalston Sir Tho. Bowyer Io. Hamden Esq Henry Pelham Esq Sir Tho. Widdrington Sir Henry Herbert Sir Edw. Bainton Iames Cambel Esq Sir Tho. Heale Sir Henry Anderson Sir Harbottle Grimston Sir Robert Pye Senior Ferd. L. Fairfax Sir Henry Mildmay Sir William Armyn Sir Roger North. Sir Walter Deaveraux Tho. Hatcher Esq Sir Chr. Yelverton William L. Russel Sir Philip Stapleton Sir Henry Cholmly Sir Iohn Hotham Iohn Pym Esq Sir Ben. Rudyard Herbert Esq Digby Esq Sir Gilbert Gerrard Lord Ruthen Sir Nevil Pool Denzil Hollis Esq Iohn Maynard Esq Sir Robert Harly Iohn Glyn Esq Sir Tho. Barrington William Stroud Esq Nathan Fines Esq Henry Martin Esq Iohn Bodvil Esq Sir Fran. Knoles Rich. Shettleworth Esq Iohn Moor Esq Sir Simon D'Ewes Sir Iohn Wray Sir Chr. Wray Sir Martin Lomly Herbert Morly Esq Tho. L. Grey Rog. Burgoine Esq Sir Edw. Hungerford Sir Iohn Curson Will. Perepoint Esq Iohn Marstal Esq Hugh Owen Esq Norton Knatchbold Esq Sir Ed. Hales Sir Ed. Master Iohn Cowcher Esq Sir William Strickland Sir Edw. Boys Sir Tho. Walsingham Sir Peter Wrath. Tho. Maleveror Esq Edw. Bainton Esq Oliver Cromwel Esq Sir Gilbert Pickering Will. Whittaker Esq Mich. Oldsworth Esq Sir Iohn Harrison Sir Hugh Cholmley Isaack Penington Esq George Peard Esq Sir Io. Howard Henry Vaughan Esq Ed. Kirton Esq Ed. Bagshaw Esq Sir Walter Smith Rich. Harding Esq Bulstred Whitlock Esq Will. Price Esq Henry Lucas Esq Gilbert Willington Esq Sir Tho. Huchinson Sir Will. Morly Sir Henry Bellingham Sir Iohn Frankland Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Edw. Munford Will. Kage Esq Iohn Northcot Esq Sir Tho. Middleton Sir Iohn Salisbury Sir Ro. Nappier Tho. Lower Esq Fran. Gerrard Esq Perigrin Pelham Esq Tho. Fountain Esq Hen. Vernon Esq Lord Lisle Ed. Dawx Esq Ro. Scowen Esq Sir Dudly North. Lawrance Whitaker Esq Sir Humphry Tufton Henry Heyman Esq Tho. Hiblethwait Esq Arthur Iones Esq Will. Bell Esq Io. Harvy Esq Io. Ash Esq Geo. Gallop Esq Io. Nash Esq Edw. Ash Esq Rich. Seaburn Esq Cornelius Holland Esq Edm. Dunch Esq Rich. Barwis Esq Humph. Hook Esq Ro. Trelawny Esq Rich. Weston Esq Iohn Goodwin Esq Nath. Stephen Esq Io. White Esq Sir Ed. Griffin Rich. Albrough Esq Dr. Sam. Turner Ral. Snead Esq Ed. Patridge Esq Sir Peter Temple Poynings Moore Esq Sir Will. Lewis Peter Venebles Esq Hen. Killagrew Esq Iohn Harris Esq Io. Moston Esq Peter Leigh Esq Dr. Tho. Eaden Will. Glanvil Esq Arthur Goodwin Esq Edw. Owner Esq Tho. Toll Esq Iohn Polwhil Esq Simon Thelwal Esq Oliv. St. Iohn Regis Sol. Sir Will. Allynson Io. Crew Rich. Catelin Esq Ro. Goodwy Esq Io. Blakeston Esq Sir Will. Brereton Miles Corbet Esq Phil. Smith Esq Sir Rich. Vivion Ravenscroft Esq Sir Tho. Middleton Rich. Kingsly Esq Ralph Ashton Esq Will. Fitzwilliams Esq Henry Bellasis Esq Sir Edw. Ascue Sir Edm. Fowel Sir Io. Price Rich. Boyle Lord Dungarven Edw. Pool Esq Roger Hill Esq Sir Io. Eveling Edw. Prideaux Esq Giles Green Esq Dennis Bond Esq Roger Mathews Esq Zouch
Pate Esq Io. White Esq Rich. Moore Esq Rich. Reeves Esq Tho. Pewry Esq Will. Pewrifoy Esq Will. Spursâ—ow Esq Simon Snow Esq Rich. Ferris Esq Ed. Thomas Esq Serj. Wild. Humphrey Salway Esq Tho. Leeds Esq Will. Harrison Esq Gervis Clifton Will. Herbert Esq Iohn Woogan Esq Henry Brett Esq Iohn Trevanion Esq Walter Lloyd Esq Sir Rich. Leigh Sir Tho. Ingram Sir Ro. Crane Iohn Upton Esq Iohn Arundel Esq Iona. Rashly Esq Rich. Arundel Esq Iohn Woddon Esq Iohn Pearsival Esq Sir Will. Portman Theobald Gorge Esq Tho. Smith Esq Sir Martin Lister Sir Tho Cheâ—k Tho. Hayle Esq Anthony Beding field Esq Sir Tho Smith Ralph Ashton Esq Iohn Potts Esq Francis Rowse Esq Pierce Edcomb Esq Sir Walter Earl Sir Will. Masham Iohn Gourdon Esq Iohn Role Esq Tho. Arundel Esq Ioseph Iane Esq Sir Philip Parker Arthur Ainsâ—ow Esq Geo. Hartnal Esq Edw. Wingate Esq Robert Sicil Esq Sir William Litton Sir Iohn Iennings Sir Oliv Luke Sir An. Nichols Iohn Broxam Esq Iohn Allured Esq Geo. Buller Esq Iames Fines Esq Nich. Weston Esq Sir Beauchamp St. Iohn Sir Richard Ansâ—ow Sir Io. Corbet Sir Alex. Denton Sir Io. Parker Sir Ro. Parkhurst Sir Ambrose Brown Sir Sam. Owfield Sir Rich. Buller Alex. Carew Esq Sir Nath. Barnadiston Sir Harvy Baggott Simon Norton Esq Samson Evers Serj. at Law Philip Sidney Lord Lisle Iohn Alford Esq Sir Ch. Williams Rich. Herbert Esq Sir Edw. Alford Sir William Plaitor Francis Gamull Esq Sir Ioh. Stepney Sir Io. Brook Io. Fenwick Esq Will. Chadwell Esq Alex. Lutterell Esq Io. Burlace Esq Sir Io. Cook Tho. Cook Esq Tho. May Esq Sir Richard Lewison Iohn Griffith Esq Matthew Davis Esq Iohn Fettiplace Esq Geo. Loe Esq Rich. Edgcomb Esq Sir Ed. Redny Sir Arth. Haâ—welrig Sir Fran. Barnham Sir Tho. Gervis Ro. Wallop Esq Iames Rivers Esq Will. Haveningham Esq Will. Cawly Esq Iohn Button Esq Tho. Gervis Esq Sir Hen. Worsly Hen. Darly Esq Valentine Walton Esq Sam. Vassal Esq Hen. Campion Esq Io. Merrick Esq Herbert Price Esq Tho. Earle Esq Will. Marlet Esq Will. Drake Esq Sir Ed. Littleton Sir And. Ludlow Rich. Harman Esq Rich. Shettleworth Esq Sir Iohn Draidon Will. Ellis Esq Will. Thomas Esq Io. Pine Esq Will. Iepson Esq Iohn Hotham Esq Tho. Hodges Esq Tho. Moore Esq Godfrey Boswell Esq Antho. Staply Esq Io. Moyle Esq Will. Hay Esq Ferdinando Stanhop Esq Harbottle Grimston Esq Iohn Craven Esq Rob-Crooke Esq Edw. Philips Esq Rob. Reynolds Esq Sir Tho. Pelham Ben. Valentine Esq Sir Tho. Fanshaw Matthew Cradock Esq Lloyd Esq Sir Will. Dalson Sir Tho. Woodhouse Francis Godolphin Esq Framlingham Gaudy Esq Anthony Irby Esq Lord Wenman Iohn Lowry Esq Sir Tho. Danby Iohn Eveling Esq Long Esq George Parry Esq Will. Morgan Esq Walter Kirk Esq Sir Tho. Parker Grantham Esq Tailor Esq Iohn Trenchard Esq Rob. Sutton Esq Iohn Whistler Esq An. Hungerford Esq Tho. Eversfield Esq George Searl Esq Cha. Baldwin Esq Rich. Whitehead Esq Gerrard Napier Esq Hen. Garton Esq Mich. Noble Esq Serjeant Creswel Sir Iohn Holland Sir Will. Ogle Sir Charles Gross Sir Geo. Stonehouse Ro. Hurst Esq Will. Basset Esq Ralph Godwin Esq Ro. Nichols Esq Sir Er. Knowles Nathan Hollow Esq Ambros Mannaton Esq Ro. Walker Esq Sir Rich. Brown A Message was immediately sent to the Lords to acquaint them that the Commons had just cause and ground to suspect that there hath been and still is a secret practise to discontent the Army with the proceedings of the Parliament to ingage them in some design of dangerous consequence to the State and by some mischievous ways to prevent the happy success and conclusion of this Assembly and to desire their Lordships that a Select Committee might be appointed to take the Examinations upon Oath concerning this desperate Plot and Design in the presence of some of the Commons and to move His Majesty in the name of the Parliament that upon this great and weighty occasion no Servant of His Majesty the Queen or Prince may depart the Kingdom without leave of his Majesty with the Advice of His Parliament until they appear and be examined And the Commons immediately agreed upon a Letter to the Army and sent it away by an Express to assure them of the care the Parliament took to provide Moneys for them and did not doubt but the Army will give a fair testimony of their affections to the Parliament notwithstanding the evil deportments of some persons who have endeavoured to discontent them At the same time the Commons passed several Resolves in order to the security of the Nation viz. That strict enquiry be made what Papists Priests and Iesuits be now about the Town That the 1500 Barrels of Powder going to Portsmouth may be stayed That the Forces in Wiltshire and Hampshire be drawn towards Portsmouth And the Forces in Kent and Sussex towards Dover And they did declare that whosoever should give Counsel or Assistance or joyn any manner of way to bring any Forreign Force into the Kingdom unless it be by Command from His Majesty with consent of both Houses of Parliament shall be adjudged and reputed as publique Enemies to the King and Kingdoms These Resolves the Commons made known to the Lords for their concurrence and also desired them to move His Majesty for the stop of the Ports and that the Lord Admiral should place such Trusty Commanders in the Ships for the security of the Nation as they could confide in in all which the Lords did most readily concur The Commons did further communicate unto the Lords the Protestation which they had taken in their house desiring the Lords it might also be taken by every Member of their House It was sent to the House of Lords by Mr. Hollis who at the delivery thereof did amongst other passages express himself to this effect MY LORDS THe Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons having taken into their serious Consideration the present State and Condition of this Kingdom they find it surrounded with variety of pernicious and destructive Designs Practises and Plots against the well being of it Nay the very Being of it and some of those designs hatched within our own Bowels and Viper-like working our own destruction They find Jesuits and Priests conspiring with ill Ministers of State to destroy our Religion they find ill Ministers conjoyned together to subvert the Laws and Liberties they find obstructions of Justice which is the Life and Blood of every State The Parliament of late years have been like the Fig-tree in the Gospel without Efficacy without Fruit commonly taken away as Elias was with a whirlwind never coming to any maturity The same ill Councils which first raised that storm and almost shipwrackt the Common-wealth do still continue they blow strong like the East wind that brought the Locusts over the Land Is it not time then my Lords that we should unite and concentrate our selves and defeat the Counsels of these Achitophels which would involve us
Articles ingrossed Mr. Pym gets leave to speak Mr. Pym Reports the Conference Thank 's to Mr. Pym. Message for a Conference Answer Mr. Whistler's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs A Committee to meet a Committee of the House of Lords about the Examination of Witnesses in the Case of the E. of Strafford Petition from the Parliament in Ireland read Sir George Ratcliff not to speak with or write to the E. of Strafford A Troop of Reformado Officers in the Army to be disbanded A Message for a Conference for some of the Members to be present at the Examination of Witnesses Mr. Pym's Report A Message by the Commons Sir George Ratcliff to come in by a day A Report of the Conference for the Lords Members to be examined Another Message concerning Members to be present at the Examination A Protestation of Secrefie Articles against Sir George Ratcliff A Message Ratcliff Irish Army Petitions referred to the Sub-Committee Depositions concerning the Earl of Strafford A Message concerning Examinations The further Impeachment of the Earl of Strafford Sequestration of Thomas Earl of Strafford To open Letters Concerning Council for the Earl of Strafford The little Finger of the Law Ireland a Conquered Nation Lawyers not to dispute the Orders of the Council-Board in the Earl of Cork's Case Lord Mountnorris sentenced to suffer death by Martial Law The Lord Mountnorris put out of Possession Lord Dillon his Patent questioned The Lord Loftus close Prisoner not delivering the Great Seal The Earl of Kildare Committed Committee to consider of the Proof Members to manage the Evidence No Replication to the Earl's Answer Concerning the manner of the Trial of the Earl Concerning the place of Trial and the Council for the Earl The time of the Trial. Concerning the Place for the Trial. Members appointed to View the place of Trial. E of Strafford's Petition read The great Hall in Westminster appointed for the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford Menday Afternoon Afternoon The Petition of divers Citizens of London to both Houses of Parliament wherein is an accompt of their Grievances together with their desires for Justice to be executed upon the E. of Strafford and other Delinquents A Memorial of the Member that first took the Names The Prisoner at the Barr. Lord High Steward Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard Lord High Steward Mr. Pym. Mr. Maynard Lord Fligh Steward Mr. Pym. Sir Io. Clotworthy a Witness The Question Sir Io. Clotworthy Lord Ranulagh a Witness E. of Strafford Lo. Ranulagh L. Mountnorris a Witness Nicholas Barnewell a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Pym. Mr. Egor a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Remonstrance E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Remonstrance Manager Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Witness Witness E. of Strafford Manager Witness E of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Witness Manager Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward E. of Straffords Speech Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Witness Kings Warrant read E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Billetting of Soldiers in Dublin Increase of Shipping Jurors Sentence in the Star-Chamber Manager Lord High Steward Mr. Maynard Manager Article 1. Manager Manager Witness Witness Witness Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Manager F. Thorpe a Witness Manager Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward E. of Strafford Lord High Steward Manager F. Thorpe a Witness George Hawes a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Straffords Defence Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford The Managers Reply Article 2. Manager Witness Sir Tho. Leyton a Witness Lord High Steward Tho. Harrison a Witness E. of Straffords Defence Witness E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Lord Steward Managers Relpy E. of Strafford Manager Lord High Steward Sir David Fowles a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Article 3. E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager E of Strafford E of Strafford Manager Robert Kennyday a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Lord Corke a Witness Manager Lord Gorminstone a Witness Lord Killmallock a Witness Sir Pierce Crosby a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Slingsby a Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager Manager E. of Strafford Managers Relpy Managers Reply Mr. Fitzgarret a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Gorminstone a Witness Lord Killmallock a Witness Manager Article 4. Manager Lord Ranulagh a Witness E. of Strafford Witness E. of Stafford E. of Corke 2 Witness Iohn Waldron a Witness E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Castlehaven a Witness Manager Lord High Steward Roger Lotts a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Article 5. Manager Manager Lord Mountnorris a Witness Witness Witness Witness Lord Dillom a Witness Lord Ranulagh a Witness Manager Earl of Cork a Witness William Castigatt a Witness Lord Dillon a Witness Patrick Gough a Witness Lord Conway a Witness E. of Strafford's Defence Manager E. of Strafford Lord Willmott a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Sir Robert Farrer a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager Manager Manager Earl of Ely a Witness Manager Manager Manager Article 6. Manager Thomas Little a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Mountnorris a Witness Mr. Anslow a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Manager E. of Corke a Witness Lord Ranulagh a Witness S. Adam Loftus a Witness Lord Mountnorris a Witness Earl of Bath a Witness E. of Strafford Manager Manager Mr. Anslowe a Witness William Brettergh a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Straffords Defence E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Article 8. Manager Manager E. of Strafford Manager Manager Mr. Hoy a Witness Thomas Hibbots a Witness Lord Mountnorris a Witness Earl of Cork a Witness Manager Manager Manager Lord Corke a Witness Lord Primate a Witness Lord Renula a Witness Manager Lord Renula a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Dillon a Witness Sir Philip Manwareing a Witness The Managers Reply E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Article 9. Sir Ia. Montgomery a Witness Manager E. of Strafford Manager E. of Strafford Manager Article 10. Lord Ranulagh a Witness Sir Iames Hey a Witness Robert Goodwyn a Witness Henry Brawd a Witness Robert Cogan a Witness Iohn Welsh a Witness Lord Renula a Witness Patrick Allen a Witness E. of
November 6th 1640. THe House of Commons having in the first place according to ancient Custom setled all their Grand Committees for Religion Grievances Courts of Justice Trade and Priviledges It was moved That in regard the Complaints of the Kings Subjects in Ireland were many who had undergone great Oppressions in that Kingdom by Male-Government there and come to this Parliament for Relief might be referred to a Committee of the whole House for that purpose only to be appointed This motion being made by Mr. Pym and seconded by Sir Iohn Clotworthy avowing many particulars of the Complaints mentioned to be true it made a Discovery to such as were well-wishers to Thomas Lord Wentworth Earl of Strafford and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland that this Motion was intended by a side-wind to accumulate Complaints against him the said Lord Lieutenant in order to an Accusation so when the question was put after long debate viz. Whether the Irish Affairs should be referred to a Committee of the whole House The House was divided Sir Iohn Clotworthy and Sir Henry Mildmay being of Opinion for the Yeas were appointed Tellers of the number of the Noes and Sir Edward Bainton and Sir Richard Luson being of Opinion not to refer this business of Ireland to a Grand Committee conceiving it without President were appointed Tellers of the number of the Yeas and when they had told all they came up to the Table and made this Report to Mr. Speaker That there were with the Yeas 165 and with the Noes 152 whereupon it was Resolved upon the Question That the Irish Affairs should be referred to a Grand Committee of the whole House to meet to morrow in the Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the House and afterwards every Thursday at the same hour and place And this Committee is Ordered to have the like Power as the other Grand Committees of the whole House have This Vote being carried for a Grand Committee as to Irish Affairs a Cabal of Friends to the Earl of Strafford sent down post unto him into York-shire to acquaint him that they apprehended a Design against him in the making of this Committee and left it to his own Election whether he would stay still on the Head of his Army or come up to the Parliament But if he did incline to come up that he would at his first appearance Impeach some Members of both Houses if he had Evidence for the same of being privy to the bringing the Scotch Army into this Kingdom and told him It was his wisdom to begin first and not to be first Impeached as the Earl of Bristol was by the great Duke of Buckingham The said Earl upon the receipt of this Advertisement suddenly resolved to come up and abide the Test of Parliament But his Friends then with him in the North told him That his frank appearance would make Politâ—ans doubt whether he did thereby assume his Judgment and wonted Prudence to go thus from his Army to the Parliament where his Wisdom could not but know that the Scots and Scotizing-English had resolved his destruction and therefore said they unto him It were better to keep under the safe-guard of the English Army at his Command from which he had acquired some affection or retire to the Army in Ireland then being also at his Devotion or take Sanctuary in some Forreign Parts till fair weather might invite him home neither said they would Discretion Vote it a betraying of his Innocency to decline a Trial whereby the means of Factions raised in England and Scotland by his malicious Prosecutors and backed with Power his Innocency could not protect him They further told him that if Sentence should pass against him for Non-appearance yet he had kept his freedom till better times when he might have occasion to do His Master better Service abroad than in Council at White-hall But the said Earl conceiving he had got good Evidence in the North that the Scots came in by Invitation and Confederacy between the Heads of the Covenanters and some of the English Members of both Houses and having digested such his Intelligence almost into the form of an Impeachment he posted up with the same intending to present it to the House of Peers as soon as he arrived there But on Wednesday Nov. 11th the House of Commons being acquainted by a Member that there was a business of great weight to be imparted desired the House that the Lobby without might be first cleared and the Key of the House brought up to the Table which was done accordingly and as the House had entred into debate about the Earl of Strafford there came a Message from the Lords by the Lord Chief Justice Bramstom and Judge Foster That the King had commanded the Lords Commissioners who were appointed to Treat with the Scots Commissioners at Rippon to give an Account to both Houses of Parliament of that which passed there and at York and thereupon the Lords desire there may be a meeting by a Committee of both Houses this Afternoon in the Painted-Chamber at Three of the Clock if the occasions of this House will give leave At this time many Members of the House conceived this Message was now sent to get Intelligence what private debate was in hand The House of Commons returned this Answer by the same Messengers That at this time they were in Agitation of very Weighty and Important Affairs and therefore they do doubt they shall not be ready to give them a meeting this Afternoon as the Lords desire but as soon as they may they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own After the Messengers were withdrawn the House proceeded in the Debate they were in before and appointed a Committee to prepare matter upon the said Debate for a Conference with the Lords concerning the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 and named seven Members viz. Mr. Pym Mr. Stroud Mr. St. Iohn Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle and Mr. Hampden Which select Committee retired immediately into the Committee-Chamber to prepare Matter of a Conference to be prayed with the Lords and a Charge against the Earl of Strafford The said Committee presently returned to the House and reported the Matter to them referred Whereupon it was Resolved upon the Question That a Message be sent from this House to the Lords in the Name of this House and of all the Commons of England to accuse Thomas Lord Wentworth Earl of Strafford Lord Lieutenant of Ireland of High Treason and to desire that he may be Sequestred from Parliament and be Committed to Prison and that within some convenient time this House will resort to their Lordships with particular Accusations and Articles against him Mr. Pym went up with this Message to the Lords and at his Return made this Report to the House That he had Repaired to the Lords and there in the Name of this House and of all the Commons of England did Accuse the said Earl of Strafford
of High Treason and that he had also delivered the other Particulars he had in Charge Their Lordships Answer was That they do desire to take this weighty Matter into their serious Consideration and will speedily send an Answer by Messengers of their own Afterwards Mr. Pym was sent up to the Lords with a Message that some fit course be taken that there may be free Passage between England and Ireland notwithstanding any Restraint made there to the contrary The same day came a Message from the Lords by the two Chief Justices That the Lords have taken into serious Consideration the Accusation sent from this House against the Earl of Strafford and have Sequestred him from the House and have Committed him in safe Custody to the Messenger of their House and they will move his Majesty that the Passage from Ireland into England may be open notwithstanding any Restraint made there to the contrary The Message delivered by Mr. Pym was in manner following My Lords The Knights Citizens and Burgesses now Assembled in the Commons House of Parliament have received Information of divers Traiterous Designs and Practices of a great Peer of this House and by vertue of a Command from them I do here in the Name of the Commons now Assembled in Parliament and in the Name of all the Commons of England Accuse Thomas Earl of Strafford Lord Lieutenant of Ireland of High Treason And they have Commanded me further to desire your Lordships that he may be Sequestred from the Parliament and forthwith committed to Prison They further Commanded me to let you know that they will within a very few days resort to your Lordships with the particular Articles and Grounds of this Accusation The Earl being required to withdraw it was debated by the Peers Whether he should be Imprisoned on a general Accusation without any particular act of Treason charged against him or not But upon the question it was carried in the Affirmative and he being called in kneeled at the Bar and after standing up the Lord-Keeper spake to him as followeth My Lord of Strafford The House of Commons in their own Name and in the Name of the whole Commons of England have this day Accused your Lordship to the Lords of the Higher House of Parliament of High Treason the Articles they will in a few days produce in the mean time they have desired of my Lords and my Lords have accordingly Resolved That your Lordship shall be committed into safe Custody to the Gentleman-Usher and be Sequestred from the House till your Lordship shall clear your self of the Accusations that shall be laid against you And thereupon he was immediately taken into Custody by Iames Maxwell Usher of the Black Rod. Thursday Novemb. 12th 1640. A Message came from the Lords by the Lord Chief Justice Littleton and the Lord Chief Baron Davenport That the Lords have Commanded Us to let You know that in pursuit of your desire Yesterday to have the Ports open between Ireland and England some of the Lords had moved His Majesty in it and it shall be done speedily and effectually This day the House fell into serious Debate concerning Sir George Ratcliff an Intimate of the Lord Lieutenants of Ireland in whom he reposed great Trust and Confidence and by the discourse was as if he were guilty of High Treason in endeavouring to subvert the Fundamental Laws and that he did joyn with the Earl to bring in an Army from Ireland into this Kingdom and had joined with the said Earl to use Regal Power and to deprive the Subjects of this Kingdom of their Liberties It was moved that he might be sent for over as also for Sir Robert King who is a material Witness against the Earl of Strafford But for as much as they were Members of the Parliament then sitting in Ireland it was referred to a Committee viz. Mr. St. Iohns Mr. Selden Mr. Ieofrey Palmer Mr. Solicitor Mr. Maynard Mr. Grimston Mr. Chadwell Which Committee had Power to consider what was fit to be done in sending for Sir George Ratcliff and Sir Robert King in regard they are Members of the said Parliament now sitting in Ireland and to present it to the Consideration of this House and are to meet to morrow Morning at Seven of the Clock in the Committee-Chamber Ordered Mr. Speaker be intreated to be here this Afternoon to sit by at the Great Committee for Irish Affairs and if there be Cause to resume the House And accordingly the Grand Committee of the whole House sate this Afternoon upon the Irish Affairs and the Speaker sate by according to Order There came word that the Lords were come and expected the Committee of this House at the Conference concerning the Proceedings at the great Council at York Mr. Speaker assumed the Chair and it was moved That the Committees that sate in other places might be sent for to attend the Conference that those Gentlemen might be sent for by the Mace that were gone before to the Conference The House rose and the Committee went up to meet the Committee of the Lords at the Conference and Mr. Speaker adjourned the House and went home Friday Novemb. 13th 1640. Ordered that the Committee for preparing the Charge against the Lord Lieutenant being now Sine die meet this Afternoon at Four of the Clock in the Treasury-Chamber which Committee has Power to receive all such Petitions and Papers as may conduce to the business and have likewise Power to send for Records Papers Parties and Witnesses or any other thing that they shall think may conduce to the perfecting that Charge The King's Solicitor Reported from the Committee appointed to consider of the manner of sending for Sir George Ratcliff and Sir Robert King being as is inform'd Members of the Parliament in Ireland That the Committee were of Opinion That it is better to examine this Matter according to the Rules and Foundations of this House than to rest upon scattered Instances They distinguished between the Case of Sir George Ratcliff and Sir Robert King thus We find an Information given which if it be true of High Treason against Sir George Ratcliff then there is no doubt but in Case of High Treason Priviledge of Parliament neither here nor there doth reach to protect him but that Sir George Ratcliff may be sent for though a Member in Parliament there this was the Opinion of the Committee For the other Sir Robert King the Case did differ for to send for him to testifie in any Case were of dangerous Consequence or to send for him to testifie in the Kings Bench in Case of Treason where the Court doth ordinarily sit but this Case differs between sending for a Member of Parliament to give Evidence in any ordinary thing or in any ordinary Court for the Parliament is a Court that doth not ordinarily sit a Court of the great Affairs of the Kingdom therefore to be sent for hither
the safe Custody of Sir George Ratcliff they had sent for him and had taken Order in it and touching the receiving of the Examinations in this Cause there should be the same course observed in them as was in the Earl of Strafford Thursday December 31. 1640. The Articles against Sir George Ratcliff by former Order ingrossed were twice Read And then it was Resolved upon the Question That these Articles thus ingrossed and read shall be sent up to the Lords by the Commons Assembled in Parliament in maintenance of their Accusation of Sir George Ratcliff whereby he standeth Charged of High Treason And it is Ordered That Mr. Pym go up with these Articles Resolved upon the Question That a Message be sent forthwith to the Lords to desire a Conference of both Houses concerning Articles exhibited in maintenance of the Charge against Sir George Ratcliff Sir Iohn Strangways went up with this Message It was moved That the House would think of some Answer to the Lords concerning the Charges against the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury and the Earl of Strafford delivered from the Scottish Commissioners at a Conference by a Committee of both Houses Monday Ianuary 4th 1640. Ordered That a Conference be desired with the Lords to morrow morning concerning the state the disorders and dangers of the new levied Irish Army and to present them to their Lordships and to desire them to join with the House in a Petition to His Majesty for the disbanding of that Army The Committee appointed for the Earl of Strafford's business are to prepare the Heads of this Conference and the Members of this House are required to bring into this Committee between this and to morrow morning such Informations as shall come to their Hands conducing to these matters Sir Walter Earle and Sir Iohn Clotworthy are to manage this Conference It was likewise moved That at this Conference Considerations might be had of the great Resort daily made to the Earl of Strafford Mr. Nathaniel Fines is to go up to morrow morning with a Message to the Lords to desire a Conference with their Lordships concerning the Disorders and Inconveniences of the new levied Irish Army And to desire a free Conference concerning those Declarations presented by the Scottish Commissioners against the Lord Lieutenant and the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury as Incendiaries Sir Peter Hayman to go up with this Message The Subject of his Conference to be to present to the Lords that it may be made known to the Lords Commissioners that the Scottish Commissioners be desired to bring in their Proofs against the Lord Lieutenant and the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury to the end the Parliament may proceed to Judgment Tuesday Ianuary 12th 1640. Ordered That the several Petitions of Sir Henry Wallop the Lord Viscount Nettersfield be referred to the Sub-Committee formerly appointed by the Grand Committee for Irish Affairs for the business of Sir Henry Wallop because there is something in those Petitions that will materially conduce to the Charge of the Earl of Strafford Ordered That the Committee appointed to prepare some fit way of Representing to the Lords the four Irish Causes formerly Reported here viz. That of the Lord Mountnorris the Lord Dillon Lord Viscount Ely and the Earl of Kildare do sit Friday Ianuary 15th 1640. Ordered That the Committee appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford shall desire to have the Depositions that are yet sealed up delivered unto them and may add and insert such particular Instances and other Circumstances as they in their Discretions shall think fit to the several Articles delivered in Charge against the Earl of Strafford according to the saving in the conclusion of those Articles and that they present the whole matter to the House on Monday morning next Saturday Ianuary 16th 1640. Mr. Pym went up to the Lords with a Message to this Effect To desire their Lordships That those Examinations which at the Request of this House were taken in the Case of the Earl of Strafford by the Lords deputed to that purpose may be delivered to the Commissioners of this House appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl that they may make use of them for the enlarging of their Charge in particularities of Evidences according to the Clause of Resolution in the conclusion of the said Charge and likewise to make a Declaration That howsoever by the Course of Parliament this House might proceed with the Charge in general yet to avoid all scruples and to bring the business sooner to a conclusion they do desire to conclude in this way Saturday Ianuary 23. 1640. Mr. Selden Mr. Palmer Mr. Whitlock Mr. Maynard By Order are added to the Committee that are to draw up the Articles against the Earl of Strafford Thursday Ianuary 28th 1640. The further Impeachment of Thomas Earl of Strafford by the Commons Assembled in Parliament was this day read Friday Ianuary 29th 1640. Ordered That the Consideration of the Commission granted to the Earl of Worcester and his eldest Son the Lord Herbert and some Commissions by them granted to others for the levying of Forces in the several Counties of England and Wales and all the Circumstances depending thereupon be referred to the Committee to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford and to consider of the Magazine in Sir Piercy Herbert's Custody Saturday Ianuary 30th 1640. The further Impeachment of Thomas Earl of Strafford was again read and the Title of the Impeachment and every Article and the Conclusion were every of them particularly put to the Question and were every of them assented unto and Resolved upon the Question And afterwards it was Resolved upon the Question That these Articles being engrossed shall be forthwith sent up to the Lords Ordered That Mr. Hambden go up with a Message to the Lords to desire a Conference with their Lordships presently if it may stand with their Lordships Occasions by a Committee of both Houses touching the further Impeachment of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Pym is to manage this Conference and Mr. Maynard is to be Assistant to him Mr. Pym acquaints the House That according to their Command he had delivered unto the Lords the Articles for the further Impeachment of Thomas Earl of Strafford Ordered That the Thanks of this House be given to Mr. Pym and to the whole Committee for the great Service they have done this House in the great pains they have taken in preparing and drawing up the Charge and Articles against Thomas Earl of Strafford Tuesday February 16th 1640. Sir Philip Stapleton went up to the Lords with a Message to desire a Conference with their Lordships by a Committee of both Houses presently if it may stand with their Lordships Occasions concerning the Earl of Strafford Resolved upon the Question That the Heads Reported by Mr. Pym from the Committee appointed to prepare the Heads of the Conference to be desired with the Lords
believes to be true having been formerly so informed by His Majesties Learned Council upon sundry occasions To the Fourth he saith That the legal and ordinary Proceedings at Council-Table are and time out of mind have been by Petition Answers examination of Witnesses as in other Courts of Justice concerning British Plantations the Church and Cases hence recommended by the King for the time being and in Appeals from other Courts there and the Council-Board have always punished Contempts to Orders there made to Proclamations and Acts of State by Fine and Imprisonment He saith That it might be he told the Earl of Cork that he would imprison him if he disobeyed the Orders of the Council-Table and that he would not have Lawyers dispute or question those Orders and that they should bind but remembreth not the Comparison of Acts of Parliament and he hath been so far from scorning the Laws that he hath endeavoured to maintain them the Suit against the Earl in the Castle-Chamber was concerning the Possessions of the Colledge of Youghall worth 6 or 700 l. which he had endeavoured to get by causing of unlawful Oaths to be taken and very undue means the matter proceeded to Examination and Publication of Witnesses and after upon the Earl of Cork's humble Suit and payment of 15000 l. to His Majesty and his acknowledgement of his Misdemeanors obtained a Pardon and the Bill and Proceedings were taken of the Files and he remembers not any Suit for breach of any Order made at Council-Table To the Fifth he saith The Deputies and Generals of the Army have always executed Martial Law which is necessary there and the Army and the Members thereof have been long time Governed by printed Orders according to which divers by Sentence of the Council of War have formerly been put to death as well in the time of Peace as War The Lord Mountnorris being a Captain of a Company in the Army for mutinous words against the said Earl General of that Army and upon two of those ancient Orders was proceeded against by a Council of War being the Principal Officers of the Army about twenty in number and by them upon clear Evidence sentenced to Death wherein the said Earl was no Judge but laboured so effectually with His Majesty that he obtained the Lord Mountnorris's Pardon who by that Sentence suffered no personal hurt or damage save about two days Imprisonment And as to the other Persons he can make no Answer thereunto no particulars being described To the Sixth he saith The Suit had depended many years in Chancery and the Plaintiff Complaining of that delay the said Earl upon a Petition as in such Cases hath been usual calling to him the then Master of the Rolls the now Lord Chancellor and the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas upon the Proofs in the Chancery decreed for the Plantiff to which he refers himself and it may be the Lord Mountnorris was thereupon put out of his Possession To the Seventh he saith His Majesty being Intituled to divers Lands upon an Inquisition found Proclamation was made That such as Claimed by Patent should come in by a day and have their Patents allowed as if they had been found in the Inquisition and accordingly divers were allowed The Lord Dillon produced His Patent which being questionable he consented and desired that a Case might be drawn which was drawn by Counsel and argued and the Judges delivered their Opinions but the Lord Dillon nor any other were bound thereby or put out of Possession but might have traversed the Office or otherwise legally have proceeded that Case or Opinion notwithstanding To the Eighth he saith That upon Sir Iohn Gifford's Petition to the King His Majesty referred it to the Deputy and Council of Ireland where the matter proceeding legally to a Decree against the Lord Loftus and upon his Appeal that Decree by His Majesty and His Council of England was confirmed to which Decree and Order he refers himself believing the Lord Loftus was committed for disobeying that Decree and for continuance in contempt committed close Prisoner He saith That the Lord Loftus having committed divers Contempts the Council by Warrant required him to appear at the Board and to bring the Great Seal with him which Order he disobeyed and was shortly after Committed and the Great Seal was delivered up by His Majesties express Command and not otherwise And an Information was exhibited in the Star-Chamber for grievous Oppressions done by the Lord Loftus as Chancellor whereof he was so far from justifying as that he submitted desiring to be an Object of His Majesties Mercy and not of His Justice The Earl of Kildare for not performing of an Award made by King Iames and of an Award made in pursuance thereof by the said Earl of Strafford upon a Reference from His Majesty was by the Deputy and Council Committed and a Letter being unduly obtained he did not thereupon enlarge him but upon another Letter and submission to the Orders as by the King was directed he was enlarged The Lady Hibbots and one Hoy her Son having upon a Petition Answer Examination of Witnesses and other Proceedings at Council-Board been found to have committed foul abuses by Fraud and Circumvention to have made a Bargain with the Petitioner Hibbots for Lands of a great value for a small sum of Money was Ordered to deliver up the Writing no Assurances being perfected or Money paid and it 's like he threatned her with Commitment if she obeyed not that Order but denieth that the Lands were after sold to Sir Robert Meredith to his use or that by any Order by himself made any one hath been Imprisoned concerning Freeholds but for debts and personal things as some have been used by all his Predecessors in like Causes To the Ninth he saith Warrants to such Effects have been usually granted to the Bishops in Ireland in the times of all former Deputies but the Earl not satisfied with the conveniency thereof refused to give any such Warrants in general to the Bishops as had been formerly done but being informed that divers in the Diocess of Down gave not fitting Obedience he granted a Warrant to that Bishop whereto he referreth which was the only Warrant he granted of that Nature and hearing of some Complaints of the Execution thereof he recalled it To the Tenth he saith The Lord Treasurer Portland offered the Farm of the Customs for 13000 l. per annum in some particular Species but the Earl of Strafford advanced the same Customs to 15500 l. per annum and 8000 l. Fine and by His Majesties Command became a Farmer at those Rates proposed without addition to those Rates as by the printed Books 7 Car. Regis may appear he disswaded the advance of Rates lately proposed by Sir Abraham Dawes so as it was declined the Rates of Hydes and Wooll are moderate consideration being had of their true value and of the Places whereto they are
to be transported and of the Statute made in the time of Queen Elizabeth and there in force prohibiting the Exportation of Wooll unless they pay to the Crown 5 s. the Stone the Trade and Shipping of that Kingdom are exceedingly increased To the Eleventh he saith Pipe-staves were prohibited in King Iames's Time and not Exported but by Licence from the Lord Treasurer of England or Lord-Deputy of Ireland who had 6 s. 8 d. a 1000 and his Secretary 3 s. 4 d. for the Licence but to restrain that destruction of Timber by Command of His Majesty and Advice of His Council for His Revenue in Ireland first 30 s. then 3 l. the money was paid to His Majesty who hath thereby about 1500 l. per annum and his Lordship lost about 4 or 500 l. per annum which his Predecessors had for such Licences This is paid by the Transporter not by the Natives whose Commodity nevertheless appears by the Article to be very much increased To the Twelfth he saith The Subsidies there are an Inheritance in the Crown by Act of Parliament 6 d. was paid for Subsidy and 1 s. 6 d. for Impost upon every pound of Tobacco and Farmed 10 or 20 l. per annum the Commons in Parliament 10 Car. Regis finding the Revenue to be short of the Expence of that Kingdom 24000 l. per annum Petitioned those Grants might be applied to increase His Majesties Revenue without calling upon the Subject but upon urgent Occasions Hereupon upon the Advice of the Committee of the Revenue and in consideration of a Proclamation made in England several Proclamations were made and this setled in a way till it could be confirmed by Parliament for which purpose a Bill is transmitted according to the desire of the Commons and the Impost of Tobacco is Let to Contractors for eleven years at 5000 l. per annum for the first five years and 10000 l. per annum for the other six years and the Earl hath lent money to forward the business and by His Majesties Allowance is a Partner but hath not as yet in two years last past had any Accompts thereof or made benefit thereby He knoweth of no whipping or other punishment the Farmes of the Customs are better than formerly 2000 l. per annum five 8 parts whereof is yearly paid unto His Majesty the prices of Tobacco exceed not 2 s. or 2 s. 4 d. the pound the setling of that Revenue according to the Petition of the Commons he hath not raised or countenanced any Monopolies but opposed the same To the Thirteenth he saith He endeavoured to advance the Manufacture of Linnen rather than of Woollen-Cloth which might prejudice that Trade here he bought Flax-seed in the Low-Countries and sold it at the same Rate to such as desired if they making their Cloaths not above a foot broad and winding 8 or 10 threads from several bottoms together the contrary was twined their Flax formerly not above a foot became a yard in length and that soil is fit to bear it and the people love such easie Works He hath set up many Looms made much Cloth and sold it to the loss of some Thousands of pounds but when the State saw the Natives would not change their old Courses for new and better the Proclamation was declined What he did was for the Publick Good and had nothing from them that was not fully paid for To the Fourteenth he saith He refers to the Oath and Proclamation which was set forth by the said Earl and Council of State there at the instance of the Farmers of the Customs towards the defrauding of the King's Duties being in France whereof His Majesty had five eight parts He never heard any Complain of the Oath or of any that refused to take it and conceived it to be lawful divers of the Council approving it being Learned Judges of the Law to whose judgment for the legality he submitted as well in that as to other matters of like nature To the Fifteenth He denieth what is in the Article Objected but saith That about the Year 1626. certain Agents authorized in Ireland were sent into England and offered and agreed to pay to His Majesty 120000 l. in six years towards the maintenance of His Army and a like payment of 20000 l. per annum was after agreed and continued for three years longer the Assessments were made and it was shortly after by them and the Lord Faulkland then Deputy agreed in Ireland that the money should not be charged upon Record but levied by Captains by Paper-Assignments upon Warrants from the Lord Deputy and this course was held four years in the Lord Faulkland's time and the four years wherein the Lord Loftus and the Earl of Cork were Lords Justices there and it held for the remaining year only after the Earl of Strafford came thither but the Earl of Cork having spared those Towns for the benefit of himself and Tenants during the time of his being Justice The Earl of Strafford reduced the Assessments to what it was made by the Lord Faulkland and gave way that Sir William St. Leiger Lord President of Munster to take the same Arrerages in satisfaction of a Debt due unto him by His Majesty and he is confident no force was used in levying the same It hath been usual to lay Souldiers to levy that Contribution to send Souldiers to apprehend Contemners of Orders made at Council-Board and the like and when Out-Laws and Rebels have been in the Woods no Souldiers have in his time been laid but by the Advice of the Council there Touching the Castle-Chamber it 's a parcel of the Territory of Ideough whereto the King was Intituled by Inquisition and the Possession established in a Legal way when the said Earl was in England and no Souldiers were sent but only 12 at the intreaty of Mr. Wanesford for security of his Houses and Plantations against Rebels that then were out and burned and spoiled Houses thereabouts and neither Richard Butler's or any other Family were thence expelled by the said Earl from their Estates To the Sixteenth he saith There was such a Proposition which was just to prevent clamourous Complaints here which there might be redressed but conceives that by the Laws there and the Articles known since by the name of the Articles of Grace made about fourteen years since none ought to depart that Kingdom without Licence Thereupon the Advice of the State the Proclamations were set forth but not with such intent as in the Article He denied Licence only to Three the Earl of Cork the Lord Mount◠and Sir 〈◊〉 Hamilton to the two former in regard of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 then against them in the Castle-Chamber to the other by special Command from His Majesty but so soon as Sir Frederick said he would Complain of the Earl he made Suit to His Majesty That Sir Fredrick might come over which was granted He conceives such restraint to be necessary and if that it be
Committee for the Earl of Strafford The House does declare That they are well satisfied that the Evidence to be produced against Thomas Earl of Strafford at his Trial be managed by those Members Friday March 5th 1640. Upon Mr. Whitlock's Report from the Earl of Strafford's Committee It was Resolved upon the Question That there shall be no Replication put 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 but that the further Proceedings shall be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as is now 〈◊〉 by the Committee Mr. Whitlock is to go up to the Lords with this Message viz. That the House of Commons have considered of the Earl of Strafford's Answer and do aver their Charge of High Treason against him and that he is Guilty in such manner and form as he stands Accused and Impeached and that this House will be ready to prove their Charge against him at such convenient time as their Lordships shall prefix and intend to manage the Evidence by Members of their own and desire a free Conference with their Lordships by Select Committees of both Houses to consider of some Propositions and Circumstances concerning the Trial. Mr. Whitlock brings Answer from the Lords That their Lordships have taken the Message from this House into Consideration and will give a meeting for a free Conference by a Committee of 24 on Monday Morning at Nine of the Clock The Committee of the Commons Mr. Pym Mr. Strode Mr. Solicitor Mr. Grimston Lord Digby Sir Iohn Clotworthy Sir Walter Earle Mr. Hampden Mr. Whitlocke Mr. Palmer Mr. Selden Mr. Maynard Mr. Treasurer Sir Io. Culpepper Mr. Reynolds Mr. Hyde Mr. Prideaux Mr. Whitlock Mr. Martin Mr. Proxholm Mr. Gray Lord Faulkland Mr. Vaughan Lord Russell Sir Iohn Strangwaies Mr. Bellasis Sir Guy Palmes Mr. Sutton Mr. Whistler Sir Symon D'Ewes Sir An. Irby Sir Martin Lomly Mr. Waller Mr. Coventry Mr. Upton Sir Iohn Eveling Lord Fairfax Sir William Massam Mr. Pierepoint Sir Benjamin Rudyard Sir Thomas Barrington Sir Philip Stapleton Mr. Capell Mr. Cary Sir Ralph Hopton Sir Robert Hatton Sir Gilbert Gerrard Mr. Nathaniel Fines A Committee of these 48 are to meet a Committee of 24 of the Lords at a free Conference concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford on Monday Morning next at Nine of the Clock in the Painted-Chamber The Committee for the Earl of Strafford are to manage this free Conference with the Lords Monday March 8th 1640. Upon Mr. Whitlock's Report from the Committee for the Earl of Strafford the Heads of a Conference appointed to be had this day concerning the Trial of the said Earl It was Resolved upon the Question 1. To Propose to the Lords That they will be pleased to take some Order that there may be a convenient Place appointed for the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford and to give such Directions as shall be fit for preparing conveniency of room for both Houses and for such Members of the House as are appointed to manage the Evidence and for Witnesses and for the Prisoner and for excluding of all such as ought not to be present at the Trial. 2. That whereas in the last Message to the Lords this House did Intimate unto them That they did intend to manage the Evidence by Members of their own They are now Commanded to explain their Reason That their Lordships may take notice That We do not expect any Council shall be admitted the Earl of Strafford at the giving of Evidence at the Trial. Thursday March 11th 1640. Mr. Whitlock Reports from the free Conference concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford That the Lord Privy-Seal began with this Introduction That this Parliament both Houses have had often Conferences and to good Purpose which had preserved a true Understanding between both Houses That at the last free Conference their Lordships did receive from this House certain Propositions concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford which We our Selves call Circumstances 1. Concerning Place 2. Persons 3. Managing the Evidence 4. Use of Counsel he was pleased to remember the words of the Proposition as they were delivered unto them and told Us those were Circumstances yet Circumstances were Servants to Execution and might be altered and if they should Change from the House they now sit in into the Painted-Chamber or the Court of Requests upon Survey of it by skilful men they were informed the Floor of it is so weak that it might be very dangerous for so great a Resort to be in together at the Trial therefore left that to Our further Consideration The Lords thought of this That the Bar in their House might be removed higher and the Room there made longer and that being made a Scaffold might be a Capacity sufficient to receive the Members of this House this he did only Propose and said The Bishops did desire to be absent at this Trial so there would be more room for the Earls would sit in their places Next that their Lordships did desire to understand Whether We meant to be there as a House which they thought We did or as single Members of the House 3. His Lordship was pleased to tell Us They desired an Exposition of the words managing of Evidence Whether We intended a marshalling and applying of the Proof 4. That the Lords did desire concerning the Place and Persons to know how they have been admitted in former times that they might be fortified by Presidents for Place and Persons and for Counsel Their Lordships are careful not to admit of more than is according to the Law of this Kingdom And thereupon their Lordships have made this Resolution That the Earl of Strafford in matters of meer Fact shall not make use of Counsel but in matter of Law he shall and if any doubt arise what is matter of Law and what is matter of Fact the Lords do reserve the Judgment hereof to themselves this came by intimation of Ours that We did intend to manage the Evidence and at a Conference We explained Our Selves That We did not expect they would allow Him any Council at the giving of Evidence After this he was pleased to tell us That he had not forgot another thing though he omitted it that he that delivered the Proposition at the Message used words to this purpose That this House did hold it necessary and fit that all the Members of the House might be present at the Trial to the end every one might satisfie his own Conscience in the giving of their Vote to demand Judgment Upon this We thought it not fit to make an Explanation till We had acquainted the House with it Ordered That the whole matter of the Report now made of the free Conference with the Lords concerning the Trial of Tho. Earl of Strafford be referred to the Committee for the Earl of Strafford to search and consider of Presidents and to prepare Reasons and to present them to the House to morrow morning and they are to meet this Afternoon at Two
of Mr. Peard shall be present at the several doors at the Entrance of the place appointed for the Members of the House by Six of the Clock and are directed and required by the House to admit none but such as shall bring Tickets of their Names and the Places for which they Serve and that none of the Members of the House shall be admitted to come in before those that are appointed to attend at the doors shall come and if any either Stranger or Member of the House shall offend this Order those who are appointed to attend this Service shall Report it to the House And it is further Ordered That all of the House shall be there by Eight of the Clock at the farthest and that such places shall be reserved for them who shall attend this Service as they shall find to be most proper and convenient for them 4. Ordered That the Serjeant at Arms shall attend within the Court and his Men without to be imployed in such Service as they who manage the Evidence shall appoint Sir Iohn Culpepper further Reported That the Speaker might be present in some private place and as a particular Member of this House but the Committee doth not think fit that the House should declare any Order in it Touching the Members of the House being covered at the Trial the Committee thinks it not fit for them to deliver any Opinion only they offer the difference that may be when both Houses meet or Committees of both Houses and the present Case where the Lords are to meet as a House and the Commons as a Committee of their House Resolved upon the Question That the House shall sit this Afternoon and shall meet at Two of the Clock Mr. Bellasis went up to the Lords with this Message To desire their Lordships That in regard this House is much straitned in time and hath great Affairs in hand and will sit this Afternoon and may have occasion of a Conference with their Lordships that they will be pleased to sit likewise The humble Petition of Thomas Earl of Strafford was this day read wherein he desires That he may make use of some Members of this House nominated in his Petition as Witnesses at his Trial and the House leaves those Members nominated in the said Petition to do therein as they shall please without their giving any offence to the House Mr. Martin is to go up to the Lords to desire a free Conference with their Lordships by the same Committee that was formerly appointed touching the matter of the last free Conference concerning the Trial of the Earl of Strafford Ordered That those Members of the House that are appointed to manage the Evidence at the Trial of the Earl of Strafford shall have Power if any Witnesses be produced for the Earl to ask if they have been sworn and if it shall appear that they have been sworn or if any shall be sworn at the Bar to forbear to proceed any further in the managing of their Evidence until they have resorted unto the House and have received further Order All the Orders that concern the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford are required to be Copied out for the Service of the Committee The Names of the Members of the House of Commons appointed to manage the Evidence against Thomas Earl of Strafford at his Trial before the House of Peers upon an Impeachment of High Treason George Lord Digby Iohn Hampden Esquires Iohn Pym Oliver St. Iohn Esq shortly after Solicitor-General to King Charles the First Sir Walter Earle Knight Ieoffery Palmer afterwards Knighted and made Attorney-General to King Charles the Second Iohn Maynard Esq afterwards Serjeant at Law to King Charles the Second Iohn Glyn Esq Recorder of London afterwards Sworn one of the Council to King Charles the Second The Place for the appearance of the Lord Lieutenant was the great Hall in Westminster where there was a Throne erected for the King on each side whereof a Cabinet inclosed about with Boards and before with Arras before that were the Seats for the Lords of the Upper-House and sacks of Wooll for the Judges before them ten Stages of Seats extending farther than the midst of the Hall for the Gentlemen of the House of Commons at the end of all was a Desk closed about and set apart for the Lord Lieutenant and his Counsel On Monday Morning March 22. about Seven of the Clock he came from the Tower accompanied with six Barges wherein were one hundred Souldiers of the Tower all with Partizans for his Guard and fifty pair of Oars At his landing at Westminster there he was attended with two hundred of the Trained Band and went in guarded by them into the Hall The entries at Whitehall Kingstreet and Westminster were guarded by the Constables and Watch-men from four of the Clock in the Morning to keep away all base and idle persons The King Queen and Prince came to the House about Nine of the Clock but kept themselves private within their Closets only the Prince came out once or twice to the Cloth of State So that the King saw and heard all that passed but was seen of none Some give the reason of this from the received practise of England in such Cases Others say That the Lords did intreat the King either to be absent or to be there privately lest pretentions might be made hereafter that His being there was either to threaten or some other ways to interrupt the Course of Justice A third sort That the King was not willing to be accessary to the Process till it came to His Part but rather chose to be present that he might observe and understand if any Violence Rigour or Injustice happened When the Lieutenant entred the Hall the Porter of the Hall whose Office it is asked Master Maxwell Whether the Ax should be carried before him or no Who did Answer That the King had expresly forbidden it nor was it the Custom of England to use that Ceremony but only when the Party Accused was to be put upon his Jury Those of the House of Lords did sit with their Heads covered those of the House of Commons uncovered The Bishops upon the Saturday before did voluntarily decline the giving of their Suffrages in matters Criminal and of that nature according to the provision of the Cannon Law and practice of the Kingdom to this day and therefore would not be present yet withall they gave in a Protestation that their absence should not prejudice them of that or any other Priviledge competent to them as the Lords Spiritual in Parliament which was accepted The Earl of Arundel as Lord High Steward of England sate apart by himself and at the Lieutenant's Entry Commanded the House to proceed Master Pym being Speaker of the Committee for his Accusation gave in the same Articles which were presented at his last being before the Upper House which being read his Replies were subjoyned and read
also the very same which were presented before in the Upper House Some gave the reason of this because the House of Commons had not heard those Accusations in Publick before Others that the formality of the Process required no less however that day was spent in that Exercise The Queen went from the House about Eleven of the Clock the King and Prince staid till the meeting was dissolved which was after Two The Lieutenant was sent to the Tower by his Guard and appointed to return upon Tuesday at Nine of the Clock in the Morning The crowd of people was neither great nor troublesome all of them saluted him and he them with great humility and courtesie both at his Entrance and at his Return therefore let Fame pretend what it please about the malice and discontent of the Multitude That if he pass the stroke of Iustice they will tear him in pieces yet there is more in Rumor than in Sight and Appearance and in this Report as in all others of this nature more is thrust upon the Vulgar who seem as well fearful of Punishment as exempt from it for all their great number than they did justly deserve at this time Monday March 22. 1640. Post Merid. The House of Commons spent the Forenoon in the first days Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford in Westminster-Hall But in the Afternoon the House Ordered That in case the Earl of Strafford shall ask leave or shall have liberty given him to speak any thing by way of Defence before such time as the Members appointed to manage the Evidence shall enter into the managing of their Evidence that then they shall Interpose and if so be that notwithstanding such Interposition the Lords shall give him leave so to speak that then they shall forbear to proceed any further in the managing of their Evidence until they have Reported unto the House and received further Order from them Ordered That the House shall meet to morrow in Westminster-Hall as a Committee and that the House sit to morrow in the Afternoon at Two of the Clock Ordered That the Committee formerly appointed shall attend at the doors at the Entrance of the place prepared for the Committee of the House of Commons at the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford Tuesday March 23. 1640. Post Merid. Sir Philip Stapleton went up to the Lords with this Message To desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning their joyning with this House to Petition His Majesty To disband the new-levied Irish Army Disarming the Papists Recusants and the removal of Papists from Court especially those formerly named viz. Mr. Walter Montague Sir Kenelme Digby Sir Iohn Winter and Sir Toby Mathew Sir Walter Earle and Mr. Reynolds are to manage this Conference and are to move the Lords to appoint a Petition to His Majesty and are to inforce their desire of removing the Papists from Court by that Circumstance of Mr. Walter Montagues appearing Yesterday before both Houses at the Trial of the Earl of Strafford Ordered That the House meet as a Committee in Westminster-Hall at Eight of the Clock and in the House at Two in the Afternoon which they are constantly to observe De die in diem during the Trial. The House does Expect that all the Members of the House should conform themselves to the Order made for Regulating matters at the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford and that the Committee appointed for that business shall complain of any that Conform not thereunto Wednesday March 24th 1640. Post Merid. Ordered That Mr. Treasurer and Mr. Comptroller move His Majesty That the Committees for the Earl of Strafford may have the perusal of Sir Edward Cook 's Pleas of the Crown Ordered That no Member of the House shall stand in the place appointed for the Earl of Strafford's Witnesses at the time of his Trial unless they be such as by the said Earl be required to be there as Witnesses Ordered That Sir Henry Mildmay move the Lord High Chamberlain that the door at the Entrance in at the Room appointed for those that manage the Evidence at the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford be kept shut and that there be some other passage for the Members to come into the House at and Captain Charles Price is added to the Committee appointed to Regulate matters at the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford Ordered That no Member of the House Confer with the Earl of Strafford during the time of the Trial. Thursday March 25th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That the Committee appointed to manage the Evidence at the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford shall have liberty to proceed upon such Articles as they shall think most Important for the speediest expediting of the Trial and to contract and proceed in such manner as they shall think most expedient Ordered That the Committee for the Earl of Strafford presently withdraw into the Court of Wards to prepare Heads for a Conference to be desired with the Lords concerning the preventing of all Delays in the speedier expediting the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford Sir Iohn Culpepper Reports from the Committee that was appointed to draw Heads for a Conference to be desired with the Lords concerning the preventing of all Delays in the Trial of the Earl of Strafford to this purpose To Represent to the Lords the necessity of Expediting the Earl of Strafford's Trial in respect of the pressing Occasions of both Houses and of the Estate of the whole Kingdom which will be much interrupted and prejudiced by the Protraction of this Trial In this Consideration the House of Commons desired their Lordships that they would be pleased to prevent all unnecessary Delays which may be occasioned by the Earl of Strafford's impertinent Exceptions which as they will take up much time in Debate so they may occasion frequent Adjournments the which we desire their Lordships to take into Consideration that they may be avoided Resolved upon the Question That this shall be the Subject of the Conference Sir Io. Eveling went up to the Lords to desire a Conference concerning the Trial of the Earl of Strafford and Sir Io. Culpepper is appointed to manage this Conference Monday March 29th 1641. Post Merid. Sir Thomas Barington is appointed to go up to the Lords to desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford This House doth conceive That the Examination of the Lord Primate of Ireland already taken is not to be urged in regard none of the Members of this House were present at the taking of it but the Examination of him provided that some of the Committee appointed to manage the Evidence at the Trial be present thereat this House will not oppose it saving their own Rights and in like cases the House leaves it to the Committee to proceed in such manner as they shall think agreeable to Law and Justice And this to be the Subject Matter of the
Conference and Mr. Whitlock is to manage it Friday April 2. 1641. Post Merid. Mr. Pym went up to the Lords to desire That such of their Lordships as this House shall have occasion to make use of in the Trial of the Earl of Strafford would be pleased to be present at the said Trial and by Name the Lord Treasurer Lord Admiral Earl of Bristoll Earl of Holland and Lord Conway be also named to the House with some other Lords that the House should have occasion to make use of namely the Lord Primate of Armagh E. Morton and Lord Newburgh Mr. Pym likewise nominated some Members of this House viz. Mr. Treasurer Sir William Pennyman Sir Iohn Hotham Sir Hugh Cholmly Mr. Henry Cholmy Mr. Thomas Price Sir Iohn Strangways Mr. Controllor Mr. Henry Piercy Sir William Envidale Sir Frederick Cornwallis Sir Henry Mildmay Mr. Nichols Mr. Fines Sir Thomas Heale Sir Thomas Barington Mr. Herbert Price a Note of these Names was given to the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House and he is Ordered to give Notice to the Members of the Lords to be present upon all occasions Saturday April 3. 1641. Post Merid. The Petition of Thomas Earl of Strafford was this day read and the like Order made upon it as was made upon the Petition of the 20th of March. Tuesday April 6th 1641. Post Merid. The humble Petition of Thomas Earl of Strafford was read and the same Order made upon it as was upon that of the 20th of March. Friday April 9th 1641. Post Merid. The Lord Russel is appointed to go up to the Lords to desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Proceedings in the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford The Heads of the free Conference to be to this effect To acquaint the Lords with the great Necessities of the Kingdom the Pressures of the Time and how much time has been spent in this Trial How prejudicial it will be to the Kingdom if any more then has been be spent and therefore to desire that to morrow may be appointed for a Peremptory day for the Earl of Strafford to be heard if he will come otherwise that the Committee of this House may proceed to the Replication to the whole matter and the Earl of Strafford to be absolutely concluded for saying any more to the matter of Fact Mr. Pym is to manage this Conference and Mr. Glyn and Mr. Hampden are joyned unto him as Assistants Mr. Pym acquaints the House That he hath delivered to the Lords what he was intrusted with by this House concerning the Trial of Thomas Earl of Strafford They gave no other Answer then that they would send Answer by Messengers of their own A Message from the Lords by Baron Hendon and Mr. Heath That the Lords have taken the last Message to this House into Consideration and have Resolved That if the Earl of Strafford come to morrow he may proceed according to the former Order if he comes not that then this House may proceed to Sum up the Evidence as to matter of Fact and the Earl of Strafford to be concluded as to matter of Fact Saturday April 10th 1641. Post Merid. Mr. Glyn Reports from the Committee for the Earl of Strafford some Grounds concerning the further Evidence that is offered by the Committee to corroborate the Evidence upon the latter part of the 23. Article And thereupon Sir Henry Vane the younger and Mr. Pym are appointed by this House to declare their whole knowledge concerning the matters contained in the 23. Article against the Earl of Strafford and how and by what means they came to the knowledge thereof which when they had done what Paper was produced by Mr. Pym and so much of it read by him as concerned the Earl of Strafford And then it was Resolved upon the Question That the Paper whereof Mr. Pym had now read in part shall be all of it read which was done and Notice being given of a Message from the Lords It was Ordered That all the Members keep their Seats and go not out of the House without leave Resolved upon the Question That the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford of High Treason shall be now read And accordingly the Bill was twice read Monday April 12. Post Merid. The Heads of a Conference to be desired with the Lords touching the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford 1. The Narrative of the Evidence the Committee intended to have given on Saturday last concerning which they resorted to the House of Commons for further Direction to which Evidence two Members of this House were ready to depose The House fell into a great and long debate of the second Head And in the mean time Mr. Hampden went up to the Lords with this Message to signifie unto their Lordships That this House is now in Debate of a business of great Importance which they do intend to Communicate unto their Lordships but are not yet fully ready for a Conference and therefore they do intreat their Lordships would be pleased to sit a little while and they hope they shall come up very suddenly unto them The Earl of Strafford's Committee who retired to prepare the Second Head after some stay returned and presented this following to the House for a Second Head which was read and allowed of by the House viz. 2. That the House having taken Consideration thereof did conceive it very material that in regard of the Danger and Distractions of the present Times and that what time might be spent in Debate touching the admitting of the Evidence they Resolved to come to a general Reply setting aside that Evidence for this time saving to themselves their Rights to make use of the said Evidence for the farther Prosecution of the 23. Article if their Lordships shall be unsatisfied concerning the same without admitting the said Earl of Strafford to examine upon any of the other Articles which the House doth do to the end that the business might come to some speedy Conclusion the loss of time being of extream Danger and ill Consequence to the Common-wealth as they conceive Mr. Hampden brings Answer That the Lords will sit a convenient time 3. The third Head That upon occasion of discovery of this Evidence a Paper was read in the House whereby it did appear that at the same time when the dangers abroad were spoken by the Earl of Strafford touching the bringing the Irish Army into England other words were spoken by two others then present descyphered by those Letters L. Arch. and L. Cott. by which We conceive is meant the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Cottington very full of Pernicious Counsels to the King and Slander to the Commons Assembled in the last Parliament as will appear if their Lordships will be pleased to hear the Papers read which Paper the Committee is commanded to read and leave it to their Consideration and to desire that their Lordships will take some course that it
may be duly examined by whom these words were spoken that there may be some further Proceedings to prevent the dangers that may ensue thereupon and that those Counsels may be looked into and searched to the bottom These three Heads were all severally put to the Question and by Resolution upon the Question Ordered to be the Heads of this Conference Mr. Stroud went up to the Lords with this Message to desire a Conference with their Lordships by a Committee of both Houses touching the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford and some other matters lately discovered Ordered That at the next sitting of the House the Bill for the Attainder of the Earl of Strafford shall be read the second time and Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order A Message from the Lords by Mr. Heath and Serjeant Glanvil The Lords desire a present Conference by a Committee of both Houses in the Painted-Chamber if it may stand with the conveniency of this House concerning the last Conference about the Proceedings against the said Earl Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration and will give a present meeting as is desired The Committee appointed to manage the Evidence at the Trial are appointed Reporters of this Conference Mr. Glyn Reports the Conference with the Lords to this purpose That the Lord Steward spake in the Name of the Lords and did declare That their Lordships are Resolved this House may proceed as formerly was intended before the offer of further Evidence to be propounded the Earl of Strafford to recollect his Evidence first and that being done the Members of the House of Commons to state their Evidence and this to be done to morrow morning whereof they will give the Earl of Strafford Notice Tuesday April 13th 1641. Post Merid. The House only met and adjourned till the next morning Wednesday April 14th 1641. Post Merid. An Act was read the second time for the Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford of High Treason upon the Question Committed unto a Committee of the whole House Mr. Speaker sitting by The Order for Resolving the House into a Committee to Consider of the Bill for the Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford of High Treason was read and accordingly the House was Resolved into a Committee and Mr. Peard called to the Chair Then Mr. Speaker assumed the Chair A Message from the Lords by Judge Reeves and Serjeant Glanvile That their Lordships have appointed to hear the Council of the Earl of Strafford to morrow at Eight of the Clock in Westminster-Hall concerning the matter of Law Thursday April 15th 1641. Post Merid. Mr. Arthur Capel went up to the Lords with a Message To desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Proceedings against Thomas Earl of Strafford so soon as it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency Mr. Solicitor Mr. Maynard Mr. Glyn Sir Iohn Culpepper Mr. Pym Mr. Whitlock Mr. Whistler Mr. Stroud As a Committee are to retire presently into the Committee-Chamber to prepare Heads for a Conference concerning the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford Mr. Maynard Reports from this Committee the Heads of the Conference to be desired with the Lords concerning the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford to this effect 1. To offer unto their Lordships that it was last night Five of the Clock before this Intimation of their Lordships Intentions to hear the Earl of Strafford's Council came to this House 2. That upon some Conferences heretofore had with their Lordships a saving was made by this House in the Point Whether Counsel should be heard or not and it 's not now time to consider Whether they should depart from this saving 3. Great difficulties to know to what purpose the Counsel shall be heard the Case not being stated agreed on or made when to propound the danger and inconveniencies if his Counsel make a Case and ravel into all our Evidence in such an Auditory and whether to put the Case as it is alledged in the Articles that the Evidence of Fact being given it was in Propositions from the beginning to go by way of Bill and that a Bill is Exhibited here for his Attainder That the Proceedings by way of Bill stands in no way of opposition to those Proceedings that have already been in this business These several Considerations make more difficulty in this House than to come to a sudden and present Resolution Resolved upon the Question That these shall be the Heads of this Conference the Committee appointed to prepare the Heads are likewise appointed to manage and Report the Conference if occasion be Mr. Maynard Reports That the Earl Marshall acquainted them that he had made a Report of what had been delivered by the House of Commons and they had entred into Debate about it and so soon as they had come to a Resolution they would send Answer by Messengers of their own But in the mean time they had put off the hearing of the Earl of Strafford's Counsel for this day Ordered That the House be Resolved into a Committee to debate further the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford A Message from the Lords by Judge Foster and Mr. Heath That the Lords desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the business of the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford presently if it may stand with the conveniency of this House in the Painted-Chamber Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House will give a meeting presently as is desired The same Committee that managed the Conference this morning are to manage this and to Report it if occasion be Mr. Fines is added to the Committee if any new matter be propounded by the Lords at this Conference the Committee is to give no Answer unto it but to Report it to the House Mr. Whitlock Reports this Conference That the Lord Say told them That they had taken into Consideration the great business and were not absolutely Resolved how it should proceed that the Earl of Strafford's Counsel should have Notice to attend there to morrow and should not speak to any matter of Fact but to matter of Law only it was afterwards said by another Lord That the time was so short that they had Resolved not to send for him till they heard from this House Friday April 16th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That the House do first take into Consideration the Report of the Conference with the Lords Yesterday concerning the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford Resolved upon the Question That it is sufficiently proved that the Earl of Strafford hath endeavoured to subvert the ancient and Fundamental Laws of the Realms of England and Ireland and to introduce Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government against Law Mr. Peard went up to the Lords with a Message to this effect That this House at present is in Debate of a great business and fear they cannot
a Cause of great Divisions and Combustions in the State And therefore my humble advice is That laying aside this Bill of Attainder We may think of another saving only Life such as may secure the State from my Lord of Strafford without endangering it as much by Division concerning his Punishment as he hath endangered it by his Practices If this may not be hearkned unto Let me conclude in saying that unto you all which I have throughly inculcated to mine own Conscience upon this occasion Let every man lay his hand upon his Heart and sadly consider what We are going to do with a Breath either Justice or Murther Justice on the one side or Murther heightned and aggravated to its supreamest extent For as the Casuists say That he who lies with his Sister commits Incest but he that marries his Sister sins higher by applying God's Ordinance to his Crime So doubtless he that commits Murther with the Sword of Justice heightens that Crime to the utmost The danger being so great and the Case so doubtful that I see the best Lawyers in diametral opposition concerning it Let every man wipe his Heart as he does his Eyes when he would Judge of a nice and subtile Object The Eye if it be pretincted with any colour is vitiated in its discerning Let Us take heed of a blood-shotten Eye in Judgment Let every man purge his Heart clear of all passions I know this great and wise Body-politick can have none but I speak to individuals from the weakness which I find in my self away with personal Animosities away with all flatteries to the people in being the sharper against him because he is odious to them away with all fears left by the sparing his blood they may be incens'd away with all such Considerations as that it is not fit for a Parliament that one Accused by it of Treason should escape with Life Let not former Vehemence of any against him nor fear from thence that he cannot be safe while that man lives be an ingredient in the Sentence of any one of Us. Of all these Corruptives of Judgment Mr. Speaker I do before God discharge my self to the uttermost of my power And do with a clear Conscience wash my hands of this mans blood by this solemn Protestation That my Vote goes not to the taking of the Earl of Strafford's Life Ordered That the Debate of the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford be resumed to morrow Morning at Eight of the Clock and Mr. Speaker is to put the House in mind of this Order Ordered That Sir Edward Cook 's Book Of the Pleas of the Crown be delivered to the Earl of Strafford's Committee for the special Service of the House Tuesday April 20th 1641. Post Merid. The Committee according to Yesterdays Order reassumed the Debate of the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford Mr. Speaker reassumed the Chair Ordered That the House sit this Afternoon at Three of the Clock and reassume the Debate of the Bill of Attainder against Thomas Earl of Strafford The House Resolved into a Committee Mr. Peard being called to the Chair then Mr. Speaker reassumed the Chair Ordered That the further Debate of the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford be reassumed to morrow Morning at Eight of the Clock Wednesday April 21th 1641. Post Merid. According to an Order Yesterday made the House was Resolved into a Committee to Consider of the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Peard being called to the Chair then Mr. Speaker reassumed the Chair Ordered That the Doors be lock'd and the Keys brought up to the Table and that no man go out without leave of the Committee Mr. Peard again called to the Chair Mr. Peard Reports from the Grand Committee the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford with the Additions and Amendments thereunto the which Addition and Amendments were twice read and the Bill upon the Question Ordered to be Engrossed Ordered That the House meet this Afternoon at Three of the Clock and the third time read an Act for the Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford of High Treason and upon the Question for the Passing the House was divided The Lord Digby Mr. Lloyd Tellers for the Yeas Sir Gilbert Gerrard Sir Thomas Barington Tellers for the Noes with the Noes 59 with the Yeas 204. Upon the Report thereof the Bill Past. Mr. Pym is appointed to carry up the Bill to the Lords and was further Ordered to express unto the Lords That it is a Bill that highly concerns the Common-wealth especially in the expediting of it Mr. Pym acquaints the House That according to the Commands of this House he had delivered the Bill of Attainder with special Recommendations for the Expedition in regard of the Importance and that this House was ready to justifie the Legality of the Bill if any way their Lordships should desire a Conference by a Committee of both Houses the sooner and the more publick the way shall be the better and the more agreeable to the desires of this House Thursday April 22th 1641. Post Merid. A Message from the Lords by Judge Reeve and Judge Forster The Lords have agreed to hear this House in Westminster-Hall at Eight of the Clock on Saturday next touching the matter of Law in the business of the Earl of Strafford if this House shall so please Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration and will send an Answer by Messengers of their own Mr. Solicitor St. Iohn is enjoyned by this House to maintain the legal part of the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford on Saturday Morning next and Mr. Maynard and Mr. Glyn are adjoyned unto him as Assistants Sir Iohn Eveling went up to the Lords with this Message to desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning their Lordships Message sent this day touching the matter of Law in the Case of the Trial of the Earl of Strafford Mr. Pym Mr. Pierepoint Sir Iohn Culpepper Mr. Fines Mr. Hampden and Mr. Prideaux are to prepare Heads for this Conference with the Lords and to manage the Conference Sir Iohn Eveling brings Answer That their Lordships will give a present meeting by a Committee of the whole House as is desired The Heads of the Conference Reported by Mr. Pierepoint to be desired with the Lords touching the matter of Law in the Case of the Earl of Strafford That this House received a Message from their Lordships this day to this effect That their Lordships are ready to hear this House in Westminster-Hall on Saturday Morning next touching the Point of Law in the Case of Thomas Earl of Strafford they conceive this did arise from the Message of this House upon the delivery of the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford That this House is ready at a Conference by a Committee of both Houses to
this My Lords That by his means many good and wholesome Laws have been made since his Government in Ireland Truly My Lords if we should consider the particulars of these Laws some of them will not be found without great Exception But I shall make another Answer good Laws nay the best Laws are no advantage when Will is set above Law when the Laws have force to bind and restrain the Subject but no force to Relieve and Comfort him 4. He says in the Fourth place He was a means of calling a Parliament not long after he came to his Government My Lords Parliaments without Parliamentary Liberties are but a fair and plausible way into Bondage That Parliament had not the Liberties of a Parliament Sir Pierce Crosby for speaking against a Bill in the Commons House was sequestred from the Council-Table and Committed to Prison Sir Iohn Clotworthy for the same Cause was threatned that he should lose a Lease that he had Mr. Barnewell and two other Gentlemen were threatned they should have Troops of Horse put upon them for speaking in the House Proxies by dozens were given by some of his Favourites And My Lords Parliaments coming in with these Circumstances they be Grievances Mischiefs and Miseries no works of Thanks or Honour 5. The Fifth is That he hath been a means to put off Monopolies and other Projects that would have been Grievous and Burdensome to the Subject if he had hated the Injustice of a Monopoly or the Mischief of a Monopoly he would have hated it in himself he himself would have been no Monopolist Certainly My Lords It was not the love of Justice nor the Common good that moved him And if he were moved by any thing else he had his Reward It may be it was because he would have no man gripe them in the Kingdom but himself his own Harvest-crop would have been less if he had had sharers It may be it was because Monopolies hinder Trade he had the Customs and the benefit of the Customs would have been less when we know the particulars we shall make a fit and proper Answer to them But in the mean time we are sure whatsoever was the reason it was not Justice nor love of Truth that was the reason 6. He saith in the sixth place He had no other Commission but what his Predecessors had And that he hath Executed that Commission with all Moderation For the Commission it was no Virtue of his if it were a good Commission I shall say nothing of that But for the second part his Moderation when you find so many Imprisoned of the Nobility so many men some adjudged to Death some Executed without Law when you find so many publick Rapines on the State Soldiers sent to make good his Decrees so many whippings in defence of Monopolies so many Gentlemen that were Jurors because they would not apply themselves to give Verdicts on his side to be fined in the Star-Chamber Men of Quality to be disgraced set on the Pillory and wearing Papers and such things as it will appear through our Evidence can you think there was any Moderation And yet truly My Lords I can believe That if you compare his Courses with other parts of the World ungoverned he will be found beyond all in Tyranny and Harshness but if you compare them with his mind and disposition perhaps there was Moderation Habits we say are more perfect than Acts because they be nearest the principle of Actions The Habit of Cruelty in himself no doubt is more perfect than any Act of Cruelty he hath Committed but if this be his Moderation I think all men will pray to be delivered from it And I may truly say that is verified in him The Mercies of the Wicked are Cruel 7. I come to the seventh and that is concerning the Kings Revenue That he hath improved it from 57000 l. to 120000 l. and that he hath done it by Honourable and Just ways That he hath made the Kingdom able to Support it self That he hath improved the Kings Revenue by many rich and great Purchases That he hath saved the Charge of the Navy by bearing 7000 l. a year in Ireland which was born here before And then he says for a Conclusion That he never took Money out of the Kings Exchequer My Lords I must run over all these For the Enlargement or Increase of the Revenue of that Kingdom I think there is a little fault in his Arithmetick but I will not charge him with that now But for his Honourable ways of Increasing it if Monopolies if Vexation of the Subject be Honourable ways we shall leave that to your Lordships to judge But most of his increases are made upon Monopolies It is true there is another way of bargaining but it hath been mixed with Rigour and Rapine and Injustice Men have been driven out of their Estates Offices have been found by force Men have been driven to resign their Estates And is this a Just way of improving a Kings Revenue that I shall submit to your Lordships Then he says He hath made the Kingdom able to Support it self My Lords He that hath no Harvest of his own must Glean after another mans Reapers Truly this was none of his work The Kingdom was able to subsist of it self before he came thither For that we shall Appeal to the Records of the Exchequer betwixt the year 1622. and the time of his Government which was nine years at least during which nothing went out of this Kingdom to the support of that Island The 7000 l. for the Navy was born in Ireland before his time a year or two so he comes near the truth of that yet misses a year of the truth But if it were true hath it been only by the ordinary Revenue that it hath supported it self He hath had six Subsidies a year or two of Contribution which the Irish gave towards the supporting of the Charge of Ireland It was not his Husbanding nor his managing of the Revenue And truly if the Kingdom were able to support it self as it was before he came thither by the Revenue of the Kingdom and by the help of that Contribution it would be very fit since there may be many Increases since to know what is become of 300000 l. for six Subsidies and of the Contribution money and indeed there is a great suspicion that that went another way But that you may the better observe his Husbandry I shall speak of his last years Accompt the 20th of March now something more than a year since the Under-Treasurer delivered an Account on which there was 101000 l. remaining in the Kings Coffers Since that time there hath been received 112000 l. for the King I speak of round Sums My Lords I leave out pounds and pence and such things This is 213000 l. He hath received out of the Exchequer in England 50000 l. There are Debts in Ireland 60000 l. and what other Debts we know not
such thing was spoken that there was 100000 l. in the Kings Coffers And for the 50000 l. received by me in England Mr. Vice-Treasurer in Ireland is Accomptable for it though Mr. Vice-Treasurer never touched the money and my self as little And Mr. Vice-Treasurer discharges himself of it by Warrants issued from me and charged it upon other Accomptants who when they come to Account I doubt not but a good Account will be given Though under favour of the Gentleman of the 50000 l. 14000 l. is yet unpaid only there is an Assignment But it lies on him and his Credit for discharge of the Kings Service And it must lye on him or on some other person if himself have nothing left him And whereas it is said the money I had as borrowed was taken out when the Kings Army was in want I desire Your Lordships to observe It was two years ago when I had this money and then there was 100000 l. in Surplusage And though the King gave me Liberty of His Goodness to use it three years it was not wanting to the Army when it stood in need of it The next thing urged was my Cozenage in the Custom-house and that I had there Cozened the King notably 5 or 6000 l. a year deep To Answer this I reserve my self till I come to the particular Article but desire leave with all Modesty to say That it shall appear I have not Cozened nor deceitfully abused His Majesty for a Farthing Token neither in that nor in anything else And that there is no other Allowance nor Defalcation by the Grant wherein I am Interessed for 15600 l. a year and 8000 l. Fine then was allowed to the former Farmers that had it at the Rent of 13000 l. a year And that I have made the King a much more profitable bargain than he had or could have without it The next was for the Revenues of the Church That they were got without Rules of Justice And were an Offering of Rapine And that I had an Eye to my own Preferment in the Person of my Lord of Canterbury To that I have already Answered And thus having run over all the Preamble I humbly begg leave to make some Observations upon the Testimonies produced viz. That the Examinations of Sir Iohn Clotworthy and my Lord Ranulagh I conceive do not concern me Mr. Barnewells was for things spoken when I was out of the Kingdom and were concerning Sir George Ratcliffe and not me For the Remonstrances shewed wherein they disclaim the Preamble to the Act for four Subsidies I beseech Your Lordships to consider how unlikely it is that I should do any thing in that kinde fraudulently or surreptitiously For by the Custom of that Kingdom the Laws must be transmitted hither under the Hand of the Deputy and Council and so pass the Seal and be returned to Ireland when that Law was transmitted I was here in England as I take it And absolutely and directly I protest I never knew any thing in the World of that Preamble never saw it nor heard of it I think till I saw it in the Copy of the Remonstrance I never heard it was excepted against it having pass'd the Vote and three times reading in both Houses And I would have consented to have it struck out as in truth I will now being far from any thing of vanity and not thinking my self better or worse by being put in or out And if it were charged upon me as a Crime or were material for me to prove it I think I could by Witness in Town prove That it was the general Vote of the Commons House and passed with as much Applause and Chearfulness as any thing And that if my Lord Dillon and Sir Adam Loftus and some other of the Irish Commissioners were examined upon Oath I believe they would Swear they never heard any Exceptions against it till the time I was Impeached with High Treason For the Particular concerning Sir Pierce Crosby it concerned not me but the reason of his being put from the Board was this All Laws must first be transmitted from the Deputy and Council the Bill against which he Voted was transmitted Sir Pierce Crosby was there and set his hand to the transmission and because he did not except against it then being a Member of the Board but did except against it afterwards it was thought fit he should be Sequestred as I remember till His Majesties Pleasure should be known but Committed he was not And it was done by the Vote of the whole Board but no way to infringe the Liberty of the House and so in Obedience to Your Lordships as near as I could with a great deal of Weakness and Infirmity I have said as much as I can for the present recollect towards the making good the Truth of my Preamble And I conclude with this humble suit there being some Exception took at some Words that fell from me Many mens Tongues and Mouthes may offend where their Hearts do not And that in truth I may say my Heart did not offend against that Reverence and Duty I shall always pay on all occasions to the Honourable House of Commons and every Member of it but to others that are neither Members of this House nor of the House in Ireland I meant what I said And I do beseech the Gentlemen of the House of Commons to accept my Acknowledgment of this truth and that my Words may not be any ways raised against me as a Cause of their thinking worse of me or that I should be peccant or offending in having other thoughts of the Members and Proceedings of the House than with all Submission and all belief of the Equity of it To which Defence one of the Managers appointed for this days Service briefly replyed in substance as followeth What I have said in Answer of the Preamble was not by way of Charge but only for disproof of that whereby my Lord of Strafford would take away or nullifie the Charge So that if the Charge remains in force the Services performed by him are not effectual to mitigate it That what we have proposed still stands unavoided as we conceive notwithstanding any thing my Lord of Strafford hath said That as concerning Sir Pierce Crosby his agreeing to the Transmission if that be true That there is a preparative part of the Law and there Sir Pierce Crosby might speak as a Councellor But there is a Legislative part of the Law and that is done in Parliament and these being distinct if Sir Pierce Crosby did do any thing at Council-Table it deprived him not of his Liberty to speak in Parliament But we are informed he gave his denial to consent to the Transmission And if my Lord of Strafford were not guilty in his own Person of breach of Priviledge yet if under his Government Priviledge of Parliament be broken it is no matter of Merit to say he procured Parliaments It is no Answer to say
same If there be any Statute that gives my Lord of Strafford as Governour alone power to take Cognizance of meerly private Causes it is something to the purpose to say there is a particular Statute but till that be shewed he hath in this erected an Arbitrary Power And so he concluded the Reply and the Third Article THE Fourth Article The Charge THat Richard Earl of Corke having sued out Process in course of Law for recovery of his Possessions from which he was put by colour of an Order made by the said Earl of Strafford and the Council-Table of the said Realm of Ireland upon a Paper Petition without Legal procéeding did the 20th day of February in the 11th year of His now Majesties Reign threaten the said Earl being then a Péer of the said Realm to Imprison him unless he would surcease his Suit and said That he would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his Orders And the 20th day of March in the said 11th year the said Earl of Strafford speaking of an Order of the said Council-Table of that Realm made in the time of King James which concerned a Lease which the said Earl of Corke claimed in certain Rectories or Tythes which the said Earl of Corke alledged to be of no force said that he would make the said Earl and all Ireland know that so long as he had the Government there any Act of State there made or to be made should be as binding to the Subjects of that Kingdom as an Act of Parliament and did question the said Earl of Corke in the Eastle Chamber there upon pretence of breach of the said Order of Council-Table and did sundry other times and upon sundry other occasions by his Words and Spéeches Arrogate to himself a Power above the Fundamental Laws and Established Government of that Kingdom and scorned the said Laws and Established Government ONE of the Managers opened the 4th Article and said The former Articles shew my Lord of Straffords Words this his Actions This Article concerns my Lord of Corke's being disseized of an Impropriate Rectory upon a Paper Petition to my Lord of Strafford and referred to the Council-Table the Earl of Strafford saying upon the questioning of the Proceedings thereupon That neither Law nor Lawyers should question or dispute his Orders an Order of Council-Board in King Iames his time enjoyning That no Parson Patron or Ordinary should make a Lease for longer time than the life of the Incumbent was made use of as a ground to dispossess the Earl of Corke In the first place We desire to open the Proceedings at Council-Table before my Lord of Straffords time viz. That in no case concerning Land no Decree hath been there made to bind up the party for remedy at Law The Lord Ranulagh being interrogated whether by the course of Proceedings at Council-Table the Deputy and Council have determined Title of Land and Possession and interrupted the parties to proceed at Law He Answered That he hath observed the course of the Board for 22 years and the course was That if Title of Land between party and party were in debate It was commonly dismissed from the Board with a leading order to be tried by course of Common Law Being asked whether a Deputy alone hath determined private Interest He Answered That he cannot positively say whether it were done privately but to the best of his remembrance he knows not that ever any Deputy determined any matter of private Interest but brought it to the Board though by reference or private proceeding it might have proceeded before it came to the Board My Lord of Strafford desired he might be asked whether he ever knew that any matter of Inheritance was ever by himself and the Council determined whilst he was Governour there that was barely Title of Land and nothing else He Answered And desired to explain himself concerning the former That Causes of the Church and matters of Plantations were resolved in former Deputies times to be dispatched at the Board And for the latter question he never knew matter of Title determined at the Board but in Causes of the Church and Plantations My Lord of Strafford desired he might be asked whether as President of Connaught he did not familiarly on Paper Petitions rule all things in the same nature as the Deputy on Petitions to him The Fifth day Friday March 26. 1641. AFter consideration of this matter by their Lordships it was resolved in the Upper-house That my Lord Ranulagh ought not to be examined on that point it tending to an Accusation of himself The Earl of Corke being Sworn and questioned touching my Lord of Straffords words to him upon his excepting against the Orders made upon the Petition touching the said Rectory His Lordship Answered That he had been in Possession as Tenant of the Crown thirty five years of a Rectory and certain Tythes in the County of Tiperany for which he paid a yearly Rent and having enjoyed it so long my Lord presented to it Arthur Gwyn that had been his Coach-mans Groom That when he heard of it he went to my Lord privately and told his Lordship that he was His Majesties Farmer of those Tythes and paid a Rent and desired he might not be sued for them in the Council-Chamber but if a Suit must be ommenced that it might be in the proper Court the Exchequer That my Lord told him he should Answer it there That he did so and my Lord ordered it against him That a Commission went down and Examinations were taken And after my Lord had ordered it against him an Order of course was set down that Gwyn should have them till I recovered them by course of Law That thereupon I brought an Action against him and his Tenants who were Arrested and came to Dublin and then went to my Lord and Dr. Bramhill Bishop of Derry That thereupon I was sent for before my Lord Lieutenant that then was and my Lord Lieutenant told me Sir You have taken out Writs against Gwyn to whom I Ordered the Tythes of the Rectory I confest I had and desired to know why he aked me so adding that I am sure your Lordship will not take away my Possession by a Paper Bill without Trial. That my Lord of Strafford answered call in your Writs or if you will not I will clap you in the Castle For I tell you I will not have my Orders disputed by Law nor Lawyers Gwyn was a poor man and if he should get the Rents of the Impropriation into his hands I could not get them again And therefore I desired security That if by course of Law I should recover it I might have it again That my Lord of Strafford thereupon said It was very fit and just but the Order being brought unto me I said there was no such thing in the Order Being desired by the Earl of Strafford to repeat the last over again I say that
and affirmed That he would dye before he would give the Deputy and General occasion to give him such a Rebuke Fifthly That for the nature of the offence It was conceived to contain a Calumny to the Lord Deputy and General insinuating the affront pretended in these words of my Lord Mountnorris's to be given to the said Kinsman and an Incitement to Revenge and that if the words had been spoken of the Person of the King it had amounted to High Treason which by some rules of Proportion might be applyed to His Deputy Sixthly That the words were spoken when the Lord Deputy had the Honour to be Apparelled with his own Robes of Majesty and Soveraignty when part of the Army was in motion and the Lord Deputy and General present Seventhly That the words were adjudged an apparent breach of the 21st Article of the Printed Orders and Laws for War dated the 13th of March 1633. whereby it is Ordered that no man shall give any disgraceful words of any person in the Army upon pain of Imprisonment publick Disarming c. And also of the 13th Article That no man-shall offer Violence or Contempt to his Commander or do any act or speak any words to breed mutiny in the Army or Impeach the obeying of the principal Officer upon pain of death Eighthly That according to the said Articles the Counsel do unanimously with one joynt consent not one of us of another Opinion adjudge the said Lord Mountnorris for his high and great Offence to be Imprisoned to stand from henceforth deprived of all his Places and Entertainments due which he holds in the Army To be Disarmed to be banished the Army and disabled from ever bearing Office And lastly to be Shot to death or lose his Head at the pleasure of the General Given at His Majesties Castle at Dublin December 12. 1635. Valentia Cromwell This Sentence of Death against a Peer was pronounced by Martial Law against the fundamental Rules of Law without Trial Answer or Hearing That though my Lord of Strafford owns it not yet he made relation of the Injury to His Majesty His Majesty did justly direct that my Lord of Strafford should have just reparation That my Lord of Strafford produceth the Witnesses refused to let my Lord Mountnorris Answer though he demanded the benefit of the Law owns it in his own Person for he said treading on our Foot and an Injury done to us And whereas some would have mitigated it and found him guilty of the first Article He himself pronounceth it both or none The whole proceeding was but half an hour no notice was given before-hand and my Lord Mountnorris checked for desiring to cross-examine My Lord Mountnorris produced as a Witness some Exceptions were taken against him by my Lord of Strafford but were over-ruled His Lordship being Sworn and being directed to declare the whole truth in this business Answered as followeth Upon the 11th of December 1635. I was warned by a Pursevant late at Evening to attend my Lord Deputy in the Council-Chamber at a Council of War next morning by Eight of the Clock Coming thither accordingly I found many of the Council and Captains of the Army and having conferred with several of the chief of them and with my Lord Valentia Cromwell and others they said they knew not for what that Council of War was summoned after a whiles stay my Lord Deputy came into the Room and sat down at the Boards end and commanded the rest to sit down where my self that had the Honour to be His Majesties Vice-Treasurer by His Grace and Goodness sate in my place After all were set my Lord Deputy exprest he had called that Court to do himself Right and Reparation against my Lord Mountnorris At those words I rose up from my place and humbly presented my self at the Boards end as the manner is near his Lordship who making some Speech about words uttered by me shortly after the preceding Parliament which was April 18. 1635. and the words spoken within three or four days after took a Paper in his hand and out of that read the words wherewith he charged me to the effect I conceive as they are mentioned in the Sentence After his Lordship had read them he demanded of me whether I would confess them or deny them I did humbly desire I might have the Charge in writing that I might Answer it by advice of Learned Counsel the words being charged to be spoken long before and it was hard to Answer them suddenly His Lordship Answered That was not the course of a Martial Court I must Answer directly I did several times desire I might have the Charge in writing and my Lord of Strafford answered in the same kind That I must Answer whether I would confess or deny them Two or Three of the Counsel of War spoke something also to that purpose as I remember the Lord Cromwell for one and Sir Ch. Coote and Sir Iohn Burlacy who intimated that the manner was I must confess them or deny them Standing a while silent my Lord Deputy said He thought they must proceed against me as a Mute for he will not Answer and therefore they must take them for granted I said over again what I had said before and desired I might have my Charge in writing and that I might have Advice of Counsel that I might be used as a Peer of the Realm and an Officer of the Crown and still his Lordship denied That must not be It was not the Order of a Martial Court I replyed and told the Lord Deputy I had seen it otherwise in a Martial Court in England between my Lord Reas and Ramzie where the Cause was debated by the Advocates in writing The Lord Deputy told me again That must not be I must Answer directly and hereupon the Lord Deputy caused His Majesties Letter dated the last of Iuly to be read and when that was read required me to make Answer I confess I was amazed at hearing of this Letter and was much grieved and with Humility and Grief expressed on my Knees what Sorrow it had wrought on me and that I had never willingly Offended His Majesty or His Laws And declared that I had been mis-represented to His Majesty and those Letters were got by mis-information and humbly desired a Copy of those Letters and the Charge that I might Answer by writing and that His Majesty might know my Answer before further Proceedings His Lordship upon that rebuked me with worse Language than was fit to be used to a meaner man and not a Peer that desired but Law and Justice The Lord Deputy told me I was not mis-represented to His Majesty for himself had represented me and that matter to His Majesty and he did not use to mis-represent any thing And then directly required me whether I would confess them or deny them If not he would prove them on Oath and thereupon my Lord Deputy called for my Lord Moore sitting
and Lord Grandisons and to his best remembrance but he will not peremptorily say it of my Lord Chichesters Being asked of the Earl of Bathes motion whether he hath known them to proceed upon Petition for matters of Land He Answered He never knew any Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion whether they were Orders of Reference or by consent He Answered He remembers one more particularly and it was an Order of my Lord of Faulklands of reference to my Lord Angier that was Master of the Rolls and was for a Debt Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether Sir Paul Davis Clerk of the Council do not ordinarily examine on Oath and thereupon Causes come to publication He Answered The Clerk of the Council hath a Commission for taking Oath and wheresoever the Deputy requires he is to take Oath but whether de facto he took Oath on those former Orders he remembers not And whether he takes Oath in things determined by the Deputy alone he knows nothing of it But it is the common course of proceedings when there is an Order for an Attachment an Oath is taken of course that the party is in contempt Being asked on Mr. Whitlocks motion how anciently Commission hath been granted to the Clerk of the Council to take an Oath He Answered He doth not know but knoweth that since he had the Honour to sit at the Board they have had them and that is 12 or 13 years Being asked whether he hath known in matters of Equity or Title of Land any determination by any other Deputy alone And whether my Lord of Strafford hath not done it in many Cases He answered to the first That he doth not remember any particular Case of it To the second That he never knew my Lord of Strafford with his Remembrance meddle with matters of Law but for matters of Equity to his Remembrance he hath And this my Lord of Strafford confessed this being in the Court of Requests is to the Chancery To prove that the Clerks of the Council have power to examine on Oath an Order was read to the Lord Chancellor from the Lord Faulkland for drawing up a Commission to enable Sir William Usher for taking Affidavits and ministring Oaths in all Causes wherein the Lord Deputy or the Board c. His Lordship came to shew that the Instructions were so much mistaken that they were never observed by the Deputy Judges of Assize Presidents of Provincial c. nor could the poor Irish be debarred from remedy on Petitions without occasioning an universal out-cry being not acquainted with Legal forms and beggarly and the man that came against my Lord Mountnorris was in forma Pauperis To prove this my Lord of Straffords Book of Entries was mentioned and an Order of my Lord Faulklands made in Iune 1629. which is after the Instructions being in 1622. and being affirmed by my Lord Wilmott to be under my Lord Faulklands hand it was read Containing a Petition which set forth the Petitioners disturbance in his Possession of certain Lands by Sir Iames Fitzgerard contrary to a former Order and assaulting and beating the Petitioner and his Tenants c. And my Lord of Faulklands Warrant thereupon for Sir Iames his appearance to Answer the Contempt and for the Sheriffs keeping the Petitioner in possession He produced another Order of my Lord of Faulklands August 20. 1626. being for Attaching divers persons that had not paid Provisions for the Deputies Houshold He produced another Order made on Walter Dennotts Petition October 1624. for direction to certain Debtors to pay some moneys due Being a Warrant to examine the truth of the Plaintiffs demands and a Command to the Debtors to pay what 's due or give better Security else to appear to shew cause to the contrary the same being grounded upon Letters out of England in the Petitioners behalf He produced an Order of my Lord of Corke and Lord of Ely affirmed by the Lord Corke to be under his hand on Petition of Henry Iawant The Order being a Reference to the Lord Primate and to take Order for the Petitioners Relief as by a former Order of Reference was directed And whereas it may be objected that these were in Church Causes or Plantation Causes His Lordship observed That these Orders were made by the Deputy and Justices alone without the Council though by the Instructions the Deputy ought not to meddle with such Causes without the Council He then offered to shew that this Practice of hearing business on Paper Petitions is used by the Presidents in their Provincial Courts and by the Judges in their Circuits by Commissions from the Deputy whence his Lordship observed That if the Deputies have Power to Authorize they have likewise Power to Execute and he offered to this purpose my Lord Ranulagh's Answer at Council-Board under Mr. Mewtis his hand Here the Manager observed That my Lord of Strafford is charged with Exorbitant using of the Law and cannot be justified with others breaking of the Law besides it is neither in the Charge nor in his Answer My Lord of Strafford answered That he offered this only to shew that he is no Innovator of the Law further than others before him and to shew that the Instructions were mistaken in that point and could not be observed nor can they without much detriment to the Commonwealth yea that they have broken them and that he only hath observed them And so this matter was laid aside as not fully pertinent to the Charge His Lordship in the next place observed That as the Case stands with the Government and People of Ireland there is a necessity that this Power that hath been thus at all times in the Deputies should still remain there for relief of the poorer sort of People who are not able to undergo the long Circuit of Legal Proceedings nor are acquainted with them and must be drawn to it by Degrees and that the Plaintiff in this Cause was a Suitor in forma pauperis That it is a great assistance to the Merchants where they may recover their Debts suddenly and not lose their occasions and their benefit by increase of Trade That some Reports being raised as if he had neglected the poorer sort of People and not given Redress as former Deputies have done he advertised it over to His Majesty and fully informed Him of the Proceedings and Instructions and desired His Majesties Pleasure which was declared by a Letter under His Majesties Signet received October 6. the Ninth year of the King and to himself directed which was read Wherein recital is made of the Instructions 1622. and particularly in the point of Judicature by the Deputies That it is necessary to uphold such Power especially for relief of the poorer sort there as formerly had been used And Power is thereby to him given notwithstanding any former Directions Proclamation or Restraint to hear and determine such Causes as shall be brought before him
of Strafford to have the Order performed and why should he be so earnest if he had not had some game to play afterwards If the Conveyance had not been to his own use my Lord of Strafford would have provided his Testimony It being proved in whose name it was and both they affirm it to be for the use of my Lord of Strafford Mr. Hoy being asked whether the Counsellor who told him how the Votes passed was my Lord Mountnorris or no He Answered That Sir Iames Erskyn since dead gave him a Note of the Names And that the Lord Arch-Bishop of Dublin told him presently after the Vote went on his Mothers side Mr. Palmer observed That the Lord of Strafford draws an Argument that because there was no complaint of the Order therefore there was no mistake and desired Mr. Hoy might be asked why he made no complaint Mr. Hoy being accordingly asked Answered That he was ready to come for England and to take Ship and that Evening he went to the Master of the Court of Wards to take his leave of him and to acquaint him with his going That Sir Paul Davis being there he and the Master of the Wards desired him to walk into the Study and perswaded him against his going telling him of my Lord Deputies great Power and that he might as well run his head against a Rock as have any Remedy against my Lord Strafford as the times go now and this was very soon after the Decree and as he conceives between it and Christmas following Being asked whether Sir Paul Davis shewed him the Order and whether it was interlined and by whose hand He Answered That he was at the Clerk of the Council to have got a Copy of the Order and saw the Order interlined with a strange hand and asking whose it was Sir Paul told him it was my Lord Deputies Here my Lord of Strafford observed that it is very ordinary for the Clerk of the Council to bring Orders to the Deputy who if he sees cause mends them Sir Dillon being asked whether any that Voted in my Lady Hybbots Case did tell him which way the major part of the Votes in my Lady Hybbots Case went He Answered That a little before his coming out of Ireland speaking of the Charge against my Lord of Strafford and particularly of this Cause one or two of the Privy-Council said publickly The major part of the Council was for my Lady Hybbots To this last part my Lord of Strafford answered with a desire that the Witness might be asked whether Justice Parsons be not Father-in-Law to Mr. Hoy And that this was since his my Lord of Straffords questioning And so the 8th Article was concluded being his Exercise of an Arbitrary Power over the Estates of His Majesties Subjects though they have divers other Instances as in the Case of the Earl of Ely and my Lord of Killdare the prime Earl of that Kingdom THE Ninth Article The Charge THat the said Earl of Strafford the sixtéenth day of February in the Twelfth year of His Majesties Reign assuming to himself a Power above and against Law took upon him by a general Warrant under his hand to give Power to the Lord Bishop of Downe and Connor his Chancellor or Chancellors and their several Officers thereto to be appointed to Attach and Arrest the Bodies of all such of the meaner and poorer sort who after citation should either refuse to appear before them or appearing should omit or deny to perform or undergo all Lawful Decrées Sentences and Orders issued imposed or given out against them and them to Commit and kéep in the next Goal until they should either perform such Sentences or put in sufficient Bail to shew some reason before the Council-Table of such their contempt and neglect and the said Earl the day and year last mentioned signed and issued a Warrant to that effect and made the like Warrants to several other Bishops and their Chancellors in the said Realm of Ireland to the same effect MR. Glyn opened the Ninth Article charging my Lord of Strafford with assuming of a Power above Law in granting of a general Warrant to the Bishop of Downe and Conner to attach such persons of the meaner sort as should not appear on their Citation to apprehend their Bodies and bring them before the Council an Act so high that higher could not be unless it extended to Life as my Lord Mountnorris his Case to grant a Warrant at pleasure contrary to Law to apprehend the Bodies of His Majesties Subjects that live under the protection of the Law which if it be made good will be of great might and prove the Charge fully A Copy of the Warrant being produced my Lord of Strafford excepted against it as not to be read by the proceedings of the Court being not the Original To which the Council at the Bar answered That that 's the way to shelter any Crime if none but the Original Warrants in such Cases should be admitted it being no Record that they may repair to it And their Lordships being desired that a Witness might be heard what he can say for the attesting of it after which it will be proper for their Lordships to judge of the Copy Sir Iames Mountgomery Sworn and asked whether he saw the Original Warrant and whether this be a true Copy He Answered He can depose that he hath seen the Original Warrant and read it and that the Bishop of Derry did shew it himself That this Copy he believes both in matter and words to be a true Copy for he hath another Copy agreeing with this and that he knows this Warrant hath been put in Execution many times and he himself hath been charged to assist them that have put it in Execution by virtue of this Warrant Thereupon the Warrant was read being in effect as followeth By the Lord Deputy FOrasmuch as We have been informed by the Right Reverend Father in God the Lord Bishop of Downe and Conner that the most frequent Offences against God and the greatest Contempts against the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction are Committed by the meaner and poorer sort of People in that Diocess whose faults for the most part escape unpunished by reason the Writ de Excommunicato Capiendo is so long before it can be sued forth and executed on them that they remove to other parts and cannot be found or if they be taken their Poverty is such that they cannot satisfie the Sheriff and other Officers Fees due for taking them on that Writ whereby the Officers become negligent and backward of doing their Duties We therefore desiring the suppression of Sin and Reformation of Manners have thought fit to strengthen the Ecclesiastical Authority of the said Right Reverend Father in God the Lord Bishop of Downe and Conner with our Secular Power and do therefore hereby give Power and Authority to the said Lord Bishop his Chancellor or Chancellors by their several Officers
disproving me he may hurt me That therefore it befits me to do as well as I can for my self in this case yet not to take it amiss from the Gentleman who doth but his duty Finally I conceive it not Treason in me to follow the President and Practice of those which have gone before me which though it be not altogether so Legal yet I hope it is not Treasonable Nor is it Treason to mistake the Law if it should there would be more actions of Treason than Trespass in Westminster-hall for I think few understand it I do not I am sure And so I hope this shall never rise up in Judgment against me in its self or as a concurrent Argument towards Treason Mr. Glyn replied in substance as followeth What my Lord of Strafford is charged with he confesses to be an Authority above Law and that it is not justifiable Yet he would justifie it by the practice of his Predecessors wherein the examination of my Lord Primate offered for Proof thereof aggravates the Offence the Warrant therein mentioned being procured at the Request of the Papists and perhaps it might be so now but the Protestants have been Oppressed by it That was to save the charge of a Capias Excommunicatum which was the Process issued upon Excommunication but by this Warrant they must be taken on the Citation down-right Club-Law having in similitude the Civil Law That his own Secretary that made the Warrant and is as guilty as himself tells of a President according to which he made this Therefore the Copy produced is a true Copy else he says not truth That whereas his Lordship says it is a single Act and as soon as he had notice of the Illegality of it he recalled it and therefore it should not be laid to his Charge Indeed if it were a single Act this Answer might be taken but when in the case of my Lord of Corke his Inheritance was to be determined and desired the benefit of the Law did my Lord of Strafford suffer the course of Law to go on Now when he is pleased to make an excuse for himself he calls it in but when in matter of Life and Inheritance concerning Peers Right is demanded he denies it If this single Act be compared with other Exorbitant Proceedings we refer it to Your Lordships Wisdom and Justice whether it be not a strong Evidence to prove his subverting of the Laws After some discourse touching their proceeding on with the 10th Article for that the same would hold long the day far spent and my Lord Cottington and Sir Arthur Ingram material Witnesses for My Lord of Strafford as he alledged were absent for whose Examination his Lordship desired a Commission Their Lordships Adjourned the House The Ninth day Wednesday March 31. 1641. THE Tenth Article The Charge THat the said Earl of Strafford being Lord Lieutenant or Deputy of Ireland procured the Customs of the Merchandise Exported out and Imported into that Realm to be Farmed to his own use And in the Ninth year of His now Maiesties Reign he having then Interest in the said Customs to advance his own gain and lucre did cause and procure the Native Commodities of Ireland to be rated in the Book of Rates for the Customs according to which the Customs were usually gathered at far greater Ualues and Prices than in truth they were worth that is to say every Hyde at Twenty shillings which in truth was worth but Five shillings every Stone of Wool at Chirtéen shillings four pence though the same were really worth but five shillings at the utmost nine shillings by which means the Custom which before was but a Twentieth part of the true value of the Commodity was Enhanced sometimes a Fifth part and sometimes to a Fourth and sometimes to a Third part of the true value to the great Oppression of the Subjects and Decay of Merchandise MR. Maynard proceeded to the 10th Article saying They had shewed what my Lord meant to do what he threatned what he did concerning the Lives of His Majesties Subjects what advantages he found to order their Tongues to cut off their Heads but he rested not there Their Lordships have heard how he Executed one without Law The subsequent Articles were under colour of Law to take away the Subjects Lands to distribute them in a way of Justice and yet they come to his own profit Now the 10th Article charges him that he did procure to Farm to his own use the Customs of Ireland that he inhanced those Customs procured a Book of Rates to be made and Goods valued Treble to the worth of the Commodity instancing in two particulars Wools worth 5 s. the Stone or at most Nine rated up to 13 s. 4 d. and a Hyde valued at 20 s. which was in truth worth but 5 s. That these High values were put upon them to increase the Customs That my Lord of Strafford in his Answer pretends it not to be done for his own benefit but for the advantage of His Majesty and gives some Colours which are left to himself to open and prove That they shall prove the Fact to be done for his own advantage to the great deceit and disadvantage of His Majesty The Case was stated thus His Majesty King Iames did in the 16th year of his Reign Lease to the Duke of Buckingham the Customs of Ireland for 10 years In which Lease there were Exceptions and Agreements of Defalcations as the Custom of Wines which were Leased to my Lord Carlisle at the Rent of 1400 l. per annum to the Crown and on this Lease was reserved 6000 l. a year Rent and half the clear profits above the Rent which half did amount to 3700 l. a year There was a second Lease made to the Dutchess of Buckingham being in the time of 7 Car. who was to have a certain sum out of the Lease but the profit was for my Lord of Strafford and his Partners Mr. Maynard observed the difference of the two Leases and shewed that it was not only a bargain of loss to His Majesty of what he had but also a bargain by way of advancement of that which was not by inhancing the values Which he demonstrated thus The King out of the first Lease to the Duke 6000 l. and 3700 l. that is 9700 l. by the latter Lease 11050 l. so at first view 1350 l. gain besides the Fine pretended to be paid But in lieu thereof the Lease to my Lord of Carlisle was procured to be surrendred upon which the King had 1400 l a year Rent before the Dutchess that is now my Lord of Straffords Lease was Sealed which 1400 l. a year is not reserved in the said latter Lease the surrender being 21 Mar. the Demise 24 Mar. So that 1400 l. a year is swept away by my Lord of Strafford instead of the 1350 l. by way of advance Besides the surplusage of the profit of the Farm of Wines Demised to my
for Receipt thereof c. To prove Execution of it Benjamin Croky Sworn was Interrogated Whether he by vertue hereof hath Seized any Yarn and how much and how it was disposed of He Answered That his Deputy did Seize Yarn and it was taken from him by means of Ioseph Carpenter the Steward who received the Yarn into his Custody and converted it into my Lords Loomes He doth not know what quantities but it was a great parcel And he thinks it was to Carpenters use but most part of it unto my Lords Further this Steward did employ Iohn Townesend to buy Yarn contrary to the Proclamation He also imployed others to Buy some for my Lords use and his own This he knowes Sir Iohn Clotworthy Interrogated What he hath known done in Execution of these Commands being a Justice of Peace He Answered That he had formerly heard of this Proclamation and another Dated in May concerning the Yarn business That there was this same or the Copy of this same Warrant under my Lord Deputies Hand brought to him being a Justice of Peace and he required to give Assistance in it That he sent for the People that had been Distressed in the business and likewise the Party employed by this Crooky and one White named in the Proclamation to know by what Authority they put this in Execution Thereupon they produced both the Proclamation and this Warrant That he conceived there was an Extrajudicial proceeding in it and therefore took Examination of it and found in the putting of the thing in Execution That whereas there was a Clause in the Proclamation They should Seize on all Yarne that was not an Hundred Threads every Skean and should Seize on it when they found it short of this That having taken the Examinations he sent them up to my Lord Deputy they being now out of his head with a Letter Declaring the Abuse of the Business That he heard nothing in Return of the Business but was Severely Threatned and received a Letter from Mr. Secretary Little then my Lord Lieutenants Secretary That it was very ill taken that he interposed in any thing wherein my Lord was concerned And my Lord Rainalaugh had much adoe to keep off a Serjeant at Armes to be sent for him My Lord of Strafford desired the Letter might be shown But Sir Iohn Answered That it was Written four or five years agoe and he did not keep it but if Mr. Secretary Little be Interrogated he doubts not but he will Acknowledge it Lord Rainalaugh being Interrogated to the same effect He Answered It is true he was at Dublin when some Information had been given of Sir Iohn Clotworthy for something had been done in the Yarne business and that he apply'd himself to Sir George Ratcliffe to desire him to preserve Sir George from an ill Office and Sir George moved in it accordingly so that Sir Iohn escaped trouble at that time For the Execution of the Warrant about the Flax that he knows is this White or his Fellow or one of them he knows not whether but he coming to the Fair of Athlone where the Lord Rainalaughs Residence is gave a Deputation to Iohn Dennis a Soldier of my Lord Wilmots and that within little time after several Complaints were brought to him as well by some of the Townsmen of Athlone or divers of the Countrey that this Dennis had seized on a great deal of Yarne in the Shops in the Town and abroad in the Countrey That he sent for the Soldier and Asked him By what Authority he did so who thereupon shewed the Proclamation a Warrant from my Lord Deputy and such a kind of Warrant as this whether a Warrant or a Copy he cannot say That he Examined what proportion of Yarn he had taken and he told the Lord Rainalaugh he had as much as a Cart could carry Asking him what he would do with it the said Dennis answered He would carry it to Dublin And he asking him farther What he would do with it there He told him the Lord Rainalaugh he had direction to deliver it to Mr. Carpenter my Lord Deputies Steward That he the Lord Rainalaugh medled not with it but thereupon posted a Gentleman to Dublin that had ready Access to the Deputy and told him the Complaints and this abuse by Execution of that Warrant and that though it was not agreeable to my Lord of Straffords intentions he conceived to have them used he thought fit to Represent them Thereupon He the Lord Rainalaugh went to Dublin Sir Iohn Clotworthy being Interrogated what he knows about breaking open of Chests for finding of Flax or any thing of that Nature He Answered That as it hath been laid open immediately on the Issuing of these Proclamations and these Mens going abroad The Markets were deserted and little came to the Markets at all though it were the most Native Commodity of the Kingdom and paid most part of the May-Rents For it is That the Women work on all the Winter-Season And when the Markets were deserted people were fain to bring their Yarn into houses and sell it under shelter where they might not be seen nor these Fellows Seize on it That thereupon these Men would come to Justices of Peace and Officers and they came to Sir Iohn himself and though he would not assist they would threaten the Constables and break open Chests and thereupon he the said Sir Iohn Clotworthy took away Yarn from them and restored it to the Proprietors This was done in the Town and County of Antrim that he cannot tell how long it is since but it was in pursuance of this Proclamation and Warrant Being Asked Whether the People were not ready to rise in Tumults and Uproares where these were Executed He Answered That it made very great Disorder and great Reason for it for they took away all they had provided for their Half years Rent and many people even Multitudes starved Lord Rainalaugh being Interrogated the time Answered He could not tell the certain time but my Lord of Strafford did withdraw it himself Patrick Gough being Interrogated Where he had the Remonstrance of the House of Commons He Answered It was delivered him the 25 th of February in the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland the whole House Sitting to be transmitted to the Committee for Irish Affaires here with many other things Which Remonstrance was Read being in effect the most Lamentable Complaint of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses chosen for the Provinces of Conaught and Ulster touching that most Cruel Extortion or rather Robbery committed by a Company of Pursivants sent abroad to Seize Yarne by Colour of divers Proclamations by the Lord Deputy Ianuary and May 1636. I. THe said Pursivants came into all the Publick Markets and seized on all the Linnen-Yarne and Clothing by which the Markets were destroyed II. The Merchant was forced to meet the People at their private Houses which they understanding
way-layed the People and took away their Yarne and Cloth and seized on what the Merchants had bought III. When any came to the Markets they went to the Houses of poor people and took up the Hutches where their Cloth lay and seized on all leaving not so much as to cover their Nakedness IV. They took away all the poor peoples Iron Pots on pretence of another Proclamation so that on this great Cruelty which exceeded Pharoes the poor Children were forced to go into the Fields to eat Grass with the Beasts of the Field where they lay down and died by Thousands If it be deny'd it will be proved by Twenty Thousand and the Iudges of Assize c. procured my Lord Lieutenant to Recall all the foresaid Proclamations Mr. Fitzgarret being Interrogated as to the Value of this Commodity to the Kingdom of Ireland He Answered That he hath known the Province of Ulster and had occasion to converse with the best of it for 24 years last past That he was for 8 years imployed in the Circuit for these parts and observed the Natives made a very great Commodity of Yarne and Linnen-Cloth That he may safely call it the Staple-Commodity of that part of the Kingdom That the Merchants buying their Yarne and transporting it to Lancaster it was a very great Commodity and many lived on it That the Proclamation and Execution of it as he was informed by a man of very good rank Impoverished the whole Province especially the Irish Natives of whom few have Lands or Estates but live as Tenants and the Lands there not yielding Wheat or Barley in abundance as other Countries they convert the best Lands to the sowing of Flax and make a very great Commodity of it That he had continual conference especially in Term-time with the best in those parts and especially Mr. Robert Braithwait Agent for my Lord of Essex and Dr. Cook of whose two Towns one is supported by this Commodity and Dr. Cook said there hath been a hundred pounds worth of Yarn in a day sold and bought in that place and by this means the Markets are wasted the People impoverished and that he the said Dr. Cook thinks in his Conscience many thousands are famished by the scarcity of Money that ensued on the seizing of this and the extremity was such that one of the Deputies of those mens authorising went into the house of a Scotchman in the parts of Ulster himself being in England or Scotland would open the Chests and used such cruelty that they thrust a stick into the Womans throat and she died of it and the man was tried for it as he was informed And so Mr. Maynard concluded the Charge supposing it to be sufficiently proved After a little respite my Lord of Strafford made his defence in substance as followeth That in this Charge he hears something tending to Oppression but nothing at all towards Treason for which he is only to answer That the intention of these Proclamations touching Yarn was certainly very good and he thinks the power very lawfully executed being but temporary to take away an abuse and make it better for the Common-wealth That he conceives not how these Proclamations should be particularly laid on him for he hath very good company goes along with him being set out by the Deputies and Council and affixed to them the Hands of my Lord Loftus the Lord Primate the Archbishop of Dublin Earl of Ormond Lord Dillon Sir Adam Loftus the two Chief Justices and others That he had rather answer all than impute any thing to any body else but he believes their Lordships will conceive he is not particularly answerable for things done by the advice of the Council as for the best That he conceives they had power to issue these Proclamations as in other things was frequent as in Drawing by the Horse tail burning the Straw and so taking the Corn from it to bring them from these Irish Customs to the English Manners So in this that their winding of Thread might be brought off with more conveniency as being of so much more value for the unwinding was as much trouble as the thing was worth so that the authority was lawful and well executed in the granting of it He craved leave to tell their Lordships wherefore it was being desirous to regulate this business more than any other thing whatsoever And it was out of that Duty and Service he did and ever should owe to the English Nation however for the present he may not be thought one he had those affections and shall have to his death to wish the Kingdom all prosperity and happiness in all the parts of it That at his coming over he did observe the Wooll of that Kingdom did increase very much that if it should there be wrought into Cloth it would be a very great prejudice in time to the Clothing trade of England and therefore he was willing as much as he might lawfully and fairly to discourage that Trade That on the other side he was desirous to set up the trade of Linnen cloth which would be beneficial there and not prejudice the trade of England But it was extreamly to his loss for he says he lost 3000 l. and the Stewards Chamber being searched and it appearing so the Accounts were delivered back again so that he conceives they had lawful power so to do till a Law might make it more certain and setled and then he is answerable for nothing in all the rest because the execution was nothing to him and the abuses of the Officers he is not to answer for of whom Croky was the principal Executor and if there was an Offender he is the greatest Offender himself and my Lord Rainalaugh tells their Lordships plainly and truly that upon complaint of the ill execution of it it was absolutely recalled and that within two years so if it were a fault he was not incorrigible but willing to amend it on the first notice For the Warrant there is nothing proved of any thing amiss in him but it goes only to second the Proclamation and that there should be assistance in the due and just execution of it only it says the Yarn shall be brought to Dublin there to be disposed of as he should direct but there is no proof of any brought to him only my Lord Rainalaugh mentions a Cart-load brought to Dublin as the fellow told him and Croky says some was brought to Dublin but he knows not how much and it was converted partly to his use partly to Carpenters but he is a single witness whereas my Lord Rainalaugh says there was taken at Athlone as he was told a Cart-load of Yarn and Sir Iohn Clotworthy says they starved by multitudes in Ulster my Lord of Strafford said he could not conceive how so little a quantity taken in Conaught should be an occasion of starving multitudes in Ulster nor the small quantities taken by Croky but if there were so
not that the Exchequer and Composition Rents upon failing of payment have been levied by the Army on the appointment of the Deputy or chief Governor He Answered That he had known several Acquittances put into the hands of Sir Thomas Dutton for Rents due on certain parcels of Land in the County of Longford that were not paid into the Exchequer by a certain time for which a-fore-time Pursivants issued out against the Tenants that himself was one of the Tenants and being out of Town Sir Thomas Dillon seized three of his Horses at his the said Dillons House and there they remained till he came to Town for 13 s. 4 d. This being in the time of my Lord of Corke and my Lord of Ely being Justices Being asked as to the Contribution and Composition-Rents He Answered That some years before that in my Lord Faulklands time when he lived in the County of Longford that were not paid he remembers 30000 l. was granted on the coming of Sir Iohn B. into the Kingdom of Ireland and afterwards Sixscore thousand pound toward maintaining of the Kings Army and there was a Troop of Horse of Sir Robert sent into the County of But he knows not whether this be the Money called Contribution-Money That he was then Sheriff of that County and had direction sent to Sesse the Soldiers on them that refused to pay the Money That at that time he conceived that was not so fully understood by the Countrey that they should have paid it and himself and others did except against it conceiving the Money was not granted farther than as they would willingly pay And Valerian on the Statute urged of assessing Soldiers refused to Assess Soldiers on the Warrant of my Lord of Faulkland and thereon was sent for to the Castle the Soldiers sent to his house and remained there as long as he had Provision and after that from his house they were assessed on several Delinquents as the Soldiers pleased to Billet themselves and the Foot-Company of Sir Arthur Tyrringham was then in that County And one night he remembers 25 were Assessed on his own house because he did not pay the Money but he remembers not any thing of the Composition-Rents Being asked whether he had not seen a Warrant to this purpose subscribed by the Chief Governor He Answered That being Sheriff of the County of Longford in 1634. or 1633. there were Warrants directed from my Lord of Cork and my Lord Chancellor and he thinks under the hands of the rest of the Lords of the Board for levying Moneys allotted to the Soldiers and he had three Warrants himself and by virtue thereof levied Money and paid the Money to the Troops there under the hands of my Lord of Cork and Lord of Ely and the Council Sir Arthur Tyrringham being asked whether he had not received Order with a Warrant for attaching a person in case of Debt and for laying Soldiers on him in case he paid it not and who was the person He Answered That he had And the Sheriff of the County brought the Warrant from my Lord of Faulkland to lay some of his Men on a Debtor there till he paid the debt That these Soldiers were laid being under his command and stayed till the Debt was paid at the charge of the party and he tells this particular in it that makes him remember the whole circumstance The debt was very small not above 16 or 20 s. The Sheriff bringing him this Warrant he did not a little wonder at the matter to require Soldiers for levying such a sum But it was then so ordinary and frequent that it was seldom denied on any reasonable occasion the Men stayed there some 8 or 10 days when the party had enough he sends to him the said Arthur to recall the men that he told him he would if he the said party had satisfied the Money the party answered he had not yet but he would that he the said Sir Arthur told him what a strange man are you that will keep a charge on your self where if you had paid it the first hour I would have withdrawn the Men. Why sayes he I do not care for giving half a score Men a Meales Meat Being Asked on Mr. Palmers motion Whether it was a Debt between party and party or the Kings Debt He Answered He could not tell But the Sheriffs name was Fleming Being Asked Under whose hand was the Warrant He Answered Under my Lord of Faulklands Hand otherwise he would have levied no Money Lord Rainalaugh being Asked Whether before my Lord of Straffords coming into Ireland the Kings Debts and Rents as well Exchequer as Composition-Money were not raised by Assessing of Soldiers He Answered That he remembers in the Lord Justices time my Lord of Corke and Lord of Ely the Kings Rents being slowly paid in they did usually give Acquittances out of the Exchequer to the Captains and Officers of the several Companies and if they were not paid by some time limitted and if the Sheriff or the Collector did not bring in the Money the last resort was to fall on the Defaulters by assessing Soldiers on them and there to lie till the Money was paid Here my Lord of Strafford conceiving he had spoken of Contribution and Composition-Rents desired my Lord Rainalaugh might Repeat what he said Thereupon his Lordship Answered That he thought what he said he was sure of and might justly say That for the Exchequer-Rents and Contribution Payments for the Compositions he would say nothing the course was this That for the Exchequer-Rents the Vice-Treasurer gave out his Acquittances These were assigned to some Captains whose turn it was for Payment and they accompanied with a Warrant from the Deputies to constrain the payment by some few Soldiers Hereupon my Lord of Strafford Observed That this Cause would seem strange in England And whereas my Lord Rainalaugh spake of Contribution-Money Mr. Palmer humbly desired he might be Asked Whether the raising of it by Soldiers was not so agreed to in the Countrey For my Lord of Straffords own Answer sayes The Countrey choose rather that on Delinquency it should be so levied than otherwise And if it be by consent the force of the Statute is taken away My Lord Rainalaugh being Asked accordingly His Lordship Answered That he had already spoken to that purpose and he believed some of the Committee that were there had the particular Instance to produce Being required to name them in whose hands it was His Lordship said In Mr. Plunkets or Mr. Brown Being Asked When this course began He Answered He did not remember the time but he thought in 1628. on certain of the Agents out of England My Lord of Strafford did here offer That if he might have Read the Antient Book in my Lord Faulklands time he could have showed Sir Tho. Wayneman sent up and down to this and that County to fetch in the Composition-Rents and that they have been
till April following and he thinks till Publication was granted Lorky being Sworn and Interrogated touching my Lord of Esmonds restraint till the passing of Publication He Answered That when my Lord of Esmond heard that my Lord of Strafford had Incerted him into a Bill amongst other Defendants in the Star-Chamber my Lord desired leave to come to England to make his Defence in that Cause and to appear in it in person because without his Lordships leave he could not come over by vertue of this Proclamation My Lord sollicited his leave first by a Petition Aug. 1638. afterwards by several Letters some he the Deponent carried to his Lordship who still denied leave and would not suffer my Lord of Esmond to come over till after Publication was granted in the Cause which he conceives was in April my Lord of Esmond having sollicited from April 1638 till Aprill following Richard Wade Interrogated What my Lord Lieutenant said to him concerning my Lord of Esmonds coming over He Answered That on delivery of the Kings Letter to him when he looked on it in the evening the out-side said my Lord of Strafford is Secretary Crookes hand and to morrow morning if you attend me you shall have an Answer That the next morning he the Deponent came to the Secretary Carr who told his Lordship The Deponent was there That my Lord sent for him the Deponent to his Study and said What needs my Lord of Esmond be so importunate for he can do nothing there but his Attorney and Agent may do it Indeed said he the Deponent My Lord intends only to go over to get a Commission to justifie his Innocency Why then saith my Lord of Strafford I will not give way he shall have no Commission but what is out already and if he have any Commission it is but Negative And Mr. Palmer observed That by this meanes my Lord of Esmond came to be Sentenced and Mr. Maynard added That so might the most innocent Man Lord Roche Sworn and Interrogated Whether he did not demand a Licence and was deny'd and in what suit he thought to be relieved He Answered That he prayed my Lord to give him leave and he deny'd him That his occasion to come over was about an Information preferred against him half a year before in the Star-Chamber conceiving that there were some intentions against him that tended much to his prejudice by my Lord Deputy and Lord President of Munster who were the occasion of the Information as he conceived and that he intended to come over hoping he might do something with the King and their Lordships and when he demanded Licence his Lordship coming to take Ship and he the Deponent conducting him he deny'd it him the Deponent and the Suit was not pursued in five or six months and till my Lord went over nothing was said of it which was five or six months more My Lord of Strafford desired he might be Asked Whether he was not then Prisoner in the Castle he alleadging That he was in prison for divers great Misdemeanors and being Interrogated accordingly He Answered That he was not a Prisoner in half a year after till my Lord came out of England nor was the Cause followed in five or six Months after he propounded a Licence to his Lordship which was the day his Lordship went Aboard The next case offered is the case of Dermond Mac Carty who had a Suit against him several times dismissed in a Court of Justice which my Lord Deputy took afterwards into determination himself and made an Order against him in the Cause that was so diminished Mac-Carty Grandchild to him against whom the Order was made who was not bound by the Order having no Land nor Office in Ireland and so not bound by the Proclamation desired leave to come into England to Complain indeed of this Injustice though he pretended it was for his Education but was deny'd by my Lord and by others in his absence because my Lord had deny'd him before The Petition subscribed by my Lord Deputy himself was Read my Lord Acknowledged it to be under his own hand To the Right Honourable the Lord Viscount Wentworth c. THe humble Petition of Dermond Mac-Carty showing That your Petitioner for his Private Occasions specially for better Breeding and Education is desirous to Travel into the Realm of England He therefore most humbly prayeth your Lordship will be pleased to Licence and Dispence with his Iourney thither And he will ever pray c. Dublin-Castle 28 Iune 1637. FOr Our Reasons best known to Our Selves We think it not fit to Grant the Petitioners Request but do rather hereby expresly inhibit and forbid him to Transport himself into England or any part beyond the Seas without Our Licence first had in that behalf And of these Directions the Petitioner is required not only to take notice but also obey the same as he will answer the contrary at his utmost Peril On a second Petition preferred by Mac-Carty because my Lord Deputy had refused to give him Licence Sir Christopher Wainsford did also refuse his Licence The Petition and the Answer thereunto purporting to that effect were Read Iames Nash Sworn and Interrogated Whether the occasion of these Petitions was not to Complain of that Decree made by my Lord Deputy in a Cause that had in a Court of Justice been dismissed He Answered That he knew the passages of all the Causes having been a Sollicitor and Agent for the Father of Mac-Carty and waiting on their occasions in Dublin That after the obtaining of two Dismissions in the Suit my Lord did Order and Decree for Sir Iames Craig 5496 l. against Mac-Carty And on this Decree an Order to Dispossess him of all his Fathers Estate and he being Banish'd into a Foreign Part the young Man for fear would not come in and appear but hoping to have Redress in England did Petition in this matter in desire and hope to have Redress in that dismission made by the Lord Strafford Mr. Palmer Opened the Case of Parry his Fine and Imprisonment who is mentioned in the Article That he was Servant to the late Lord Chancellor was Examined before my Lord Deputy of some things that concerned his Master and had Answered so much as it pleased my Lord to require of him That after this being used to follow my Lord Chancellors occasions my Lord Deputy to prevent his coming over referred him to further Examination before the Iudges whom he attended five or six dayes but there was nothing to examine him upon for he had delivered all that was required as fully as he knew That finding my Lord Chancellors occasions very urgent he came into England and as soon as he came hither it seems he was followed with directions thence for by Warrant from Secretary Cook he was apprehended by a Messenger and the Warrant expresses it that he was one that came over without Licence That he was
being satisfied with what was formerly offered spared his Examination And Mr. Whitlock observed That they did produce these Witnesses the rather because my Lord of Strafford sayes in his Answer they willingly came to Dublin and were Suitors for the Oath Whereas my Lord sent for them when they were there my Lord perswaded them threatned them contrived the Oath himself altered the Petition appointed who should draw it which disproves what is in his Answer alleadged To prove That because diverse of the Scotish Nation were tender and loth to take the Oath or submit to all the Commands of my Lord of Strafford though they would to the Kings they fled the Kingdom and left their Estates Sir Iohn Clottworthy being examined to that particular Answered That he could speak to this particular clearly to his own Knowledge for then my Lord was pleased to insert him as a Commissioner in the said Commission and he was there sometimes and beheld the Execution of it He did likewise see the Multitude when the Oath was generally prest on several Commands from my Lord Deputy to enforce it did leave their Dwellings and Habitations their Corn on the Ground and their Cattle and fled away but whether into Scotland or no he could not precisely say but so it was reported but that Multitudes went away he knew to be certainly true Being Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford did by his Instructions deny liberty to the parties to whom it was tendered to peruse the Oath He Answered That he cannot precisely charge himself with it for the Instructions are out of the way but that was as he verily remembers part of the Instructions That they should have the Oath Read over to them but no Copies delivered to them at all Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Whether the Commission and Instructions were not under the hand of the Council as well as himself He Answered That he never saw a Commission under the hand of the Deputy or Council but under the Seal but the Instructions were under the hand of Deputy and Council And Mr. Whitlock observed That my Lord of Strafford drew in the rest to himself Mr. Whitlock then proceeded to the matter of the Sentence against Stuart and Gray who were Imprisoned Fined five times more than the value of their Estates deteined in Prison a very long time very hardly and cruelly used and on this Sentence were the words spoken by my Lord of Strafford which showes his Rancour to the Scotch Nation Richard Salmon Sworn and Interrogated What he knew concerning the Sentencing of Stuart his Wife and Daughters and Gray in Ireland He Answered That on the 10 th of October 1639 after the Kings Attorney Sir George Ratcliffe and many other Lords and Noblemen had given their Sentence concerning this Oath many of them pleading to make it High-Treason and that it was a merciful proceeding against Mr. Stuart his Wife and two Daughters and Gray in that Court My Lord Primate came to shew that if it had been against the first part of the Oath to deny Allegiance and Supremacy to His Majesty it had been so but being against the second part they were to be Judged in that Court My Lord of Strafford told my Lord Primate he was mistaken and that the Bishop of Derry had said well in that they would not Abjure all other Oathes Bonds Covenants whatsoever it was as palpable High-Treason as if it were against the first part of the Oath Thereupon my Lord said These people are mad and I know not how to express my self without going beyond my self they have almost made me lose my self But sayes he Mr. Sâ—t now you have heard my Lord Primate thus much What can you speak for your self Mr. Stuart Answered He was willing to take the first part of the Oath but in that the Oath seemed to bind them not onely in point of Allegiance and Supremacy but likewise in point of Ecclesiastical Duties therefore he durst not take it My Lord told him again he the said Mr. Stuart was not mistaken but had judged right the Oath was not only intended to bind them to Allegiance and Supremacy for that they had other Oaths but likewise to be obedient to the Ecclesiastical Ceremonies of the Church either established or that should be established by His Majesties Royal Command and that whosoever would be obedient to the Ecclesiastical Orders of the Church he would lay his hand under their feet to do them good but whosoever would resist he would prosecute them to the Blood Being Asked on the Earl of Clares motion Whether he be a Minister He Answered That he had Taught School in Dublin but hath not taken Orders Being Asked What other Orders my Lord of Strafford let fall concerning the Scotish Nation being Rebels He Answered He remembers my Lord said They had caused him to forget himself He said also That they were Traitors and Rebels and that if His Majesty would honor him so much as to send him back again he would eradicate root and branch even all of that Nation out of the Kingdom of Ireland saving such Lords and others that had taken the Oath Being Asked What Fines were Imposed on Stuart and the rest He Answered To the best of his Remembrance it was 5000 l. on him 5000 l. on his Wife 3000 l. a piece on his two Daughters and 3000 l. on Iames Gray Being Asked Whether they were worth these Sums He Answered That it is not known to him but he conceives Gray was not worth a hundred pound for he lived on the Maintenance of Mr Stuart in the Prison And he knows not whether they paid any thing of the Fine or no. But Mr. Whitlock observed That Stuart was fain to sell his Estate to pay his Fine Iohn Loftus being Sworn and Interrogated Whether he was present at the Sentence against Mr. Stuart and the rest And what it was He Answered He was in Dublin when Mr. Stuart his Wife and two Daughters and Iames Gray were brought by the Sergeant at Armes from their House to Dublin where they remained Prisoners in his Custody and were thence carry'd one by one to Mr. Attorney and Sworn by him and after their Examinations taken were called to the Court of Star-Chamber and proceeded against Ore tenus At which hearing he the Deponent was And after the rest of the Lords had delivered their Opinions he heard my Lord Deputy deliver his likewise and his in substance was He consented in fine to that the Lords had laid before viz. 5000 l. on Stuart 5000 l. on his Wife 2000 l. a piece on his Daughters and 2000 l. on Gray and my Lord exprest himself That he wanted termes to set forth the heinousness of this Cause and that he was to leave his Sword but if it pleased His Majesty to return him thither again he hoped to have such as would not Conform themselves to the discipline of the Church
rooted up Stock and Branch Being bid to repeat his Testimony He said He Declared he was then to leave his Sword and if His Majesty would return him thither again such as would not conform themselves to the Government of the Church who were of the Scotish Nation He hoped to root them up stock and branch or words to that effect Mr. Whitlock did then Sum up the Evidence That he conceives it proved that my Lord of Strafford Contrived the Oath sent for them of the Scotch Nation by Letter and then wrought with them to make it their own Work and Suit though it was his Command and by threats to some of them that did but desire to consider of it That diverse of the Scotch Nation being tender in their Consciences to take the Oath it being a new Oath and tendered without Authority of Parliament and so rather than they would take it were forced to leave their Habitations their Corn standing with all their Goods and Fortunes and to flie out of the Kingdom That Mr. Stuart his Wife and Daughters and one Iames Gray were Sentenced very deeply for refusing this Oath and that my Lord of Strafford declared That this Oath extended to the Ceremonies of the Church established and to be established That the Scotch Nation were Rebels and Traytors not going to any particular Man but the Nation in General And that if His Majesty would send him back again to that Government he would root them out root and branch This is to take a Power far above the Law this is to bind their Consciences by an Oath and to force them to that which they are tender of the Execution of this with so much rigor and cruelty showes the strength of my Lord of Straffords design to alter the Lawes and to do it with a strong hand with all his Force and with all this Cruelty And so my Lord of Straffords Answer was expected And then my Lord of Strafford after a little respit began to make his Defence in substance as followeth That almost every new Article sets forth a new Treason that for his part he never heard of before but for this that is now the Treason and concerns the Administring of an Oath to such of the Scotch Nation as were in Ireland He the Defendant besought their Lordships in the first place to take into consideration the time when this Oath was Administred because of something else that in the Conclusion for his further Justification he shall be bold to offer to their Lordships but he will begin with that which is matter in hand which though he cannot say was the true Reason that made him first think of it yet was a sufficient reason of it self if there had been nothing else The Proclamation for this matter he remembred was dated 20 th of May 1639 and in what condition the Kings Affairs then stood their Lordships and my Lord Steward in particular who was General are very well able to call to mind and what fears there were of the ill events of the things then in hand The apprehensions were That the Scots being a great Body in Ireland and not so few he is perswaded as 100000 by reason of their nearness to their own Countreys confining upon it might perhaps have Intelligence and Occurrence with their Countrymen called Those of the Covenant And this was the sence of all that were Ministers of that State under the King as well English as Irish and even those of their own Nation Thereupon they entred into Consideration how to secure that Kingdom and settle things in quiet Besides there was a Man afterwards Condemned of Treason for having a Plot and Design to have seized on Knock-fergus Castle and delivered it to a great Man in Scotland whom my Lord said he would not name for which he lost his life afterwards These particulars were confirmed by several Witnesses And to prove that there was a Debate at Council-Board for preventing of these Inconveniences my Lord of Strafford desired some Privy-Counsellors of Ireland might be examined Robert Lord Dillon being Asked Whether he and the State of Ireland were not very apprehensive of the danger that might happen to the Kingdom of Ireland If the Scots should declare themselves any way to the disquieting of that Kingdom He Answered That about that time there were some Advertisements out of the North of particular Meetings and Contrivances of some Plot or other by the Scots which made the State very apprehensive that there might be danger ensuing and that the consequence would be ill Being Asked Whether there was not a course taken upon that for an Oath to secure the quiet of the Kingdom He Answered It was debated at the Board and concluded That it would be a great Security and Obligation on those of the Scotch Nation in Ireland to keep them from Treating or Concluding any thing together if there should be any Invasion Being Asked Whether it was not thereupon resolved To Consult the Principal Gentry of that Nation and to speak with them and Whether my Lord of Straffords Letters were sent in persuance thereof He Answered That he thought the Letters were singly subscribed by the Lord Deputy himself but it was also with the privity of the Council Sir Philip Manwaring being Asked to the same Point Answered That at the time the Proclamation Issued he was in England which was the 16 th or 20 th of May But before he came from Ireland there were very many Apprehensions that Inconveniences might arise and many Considerations in Council which way to prepare and prevent them Sir Adam Loftus being Interrogated to the same Point Answered That there were at that time some Apprehensions and Fears of Danger that might arise from the People of the Scotch Nation in respect of their numbers there lest they should adhere to them of the Covenant in Scotland and thereby endanger the Kingdom of Ireland at that time And therefore it was debated at the Council-Table that some Oath or Bond might be made that might divert them from joyning in the Scotch Covenant and thereupon it was resolved That the Principal Noblemen and Gentlemen of Scotland that were then in Ireland should be sent for and there dealt withal both to express their Loyalty and Service to the Nation of Ireland by their due obedience and also to offer some Means that might be Security to the King and themselves And being further Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford's sending for these Principal Gentry of the Scotch Nation Was not with the Privity of the Council He Answered That he thought it was and Added He was very Confident it was though the reason was not exprest in those Letters Being Asked on M r Maynards Motion Whether he was there when my Lord Mountgomery and Sir Iames Mountgomery made Exception to the Form of the Oath contrived He Answered He was not present at any Exceptions taken at it Being
means as this to secure the King of the Royalty and Allegiance of His Subjects To procure it to these ends by these ways at such a time how this can be strained to be High Treason he confesses he does not well understand especially since he is confirmed in that opinion by the allowance given of it here in England as by the Oath read appears And if all this had been done by him solely as Deputy by the power of that Commission he had from His Majesty where should be the crime that should rise so high as to convince him of Treason But that is not all he hath something else to say for himself and that is the Kings Letter of His Majesties own Hand-writing as followeth WENTWORTH COnsidering the great number of Scots that are in Ireland and the dangerous consequences may follow if they should joyn with the Covenanters in Scotland I hold it necessary you should use your best endeavour to try them by an Oath not only to disclaim their Countreymens proceedings but likewise never to joyn with any in Covenant or otherwise against Me To which purpose I Command you to frame and administer such an Oath to the abovesaid intent to my Scotish Subjects of that Kingdom that I may know the well from the ill-affected of that Nation of which fail not as you love my Service And so I rest Your assured friend Ch. R. Dated 16 Jan. 1638. Whitehall So he had His Majesties Warrant but handled the matter so that he never discovered it And this he conceives doth clearly justifie him in all his proceedings That none can administer an Oath but by Authority of an Act of Parliament is as he conceived an ignorance And that upon a Command and being not against Law but intended for the better preservation of the peace of the Kingdom a Deputy of Ireland might do it and if he hath failed he shall not willingly undergo any punishment since it was an act of Obedience and if it were to do again being informed as he then was he must obey and he had rather suffer in obeying His Majesty than dispute with His Commands in that kind And so he hoped that for the Oath and Proclamation he had said that which might acquit him before their Lordships Then his Lordship applyed himself to give an Answer to the other matters brought in his Charge and the next thing urged against him is the Cenfure of Mr. Stuart his Wife and Daughters and Gray That Sentence was the very day before he came from Ireland Michalmas was Twelve months To that he can say no more but that he delivered his opinion concerning them as the rest in the Castle-Chamber where the Deputy hath no more voices than such as my Lord Keeper hath in the Star-Chamber a Casting voice if the voices be equal and otherwise but a single voice and the truth is that the whole Court did agree in it And for their Fine one of their own Witnesses sayes That he delivered his opinion as concurring with the rest of the Court so that the Fines were set before it came to him to vote And the greatness of the Fine was only to shew the greatness of the offence and not with respect to the persons or with any purpose to take the Fines of the parties for when it shall be examined it will appear that little of that hath been paid or looked after for they might have had their pardon the next day if they would have taken the Oath And if he that shall refuse the Oath of Allegiance shall instantly incurr the penalty of a Praemunire the Fine was very moderate in this case In the Oath there is nothing of Ecclesiastical businesses but only a Temporal Allegiance though some of the Witnesses speak of the extending it to the Ecclesiastical affairs My Lord Primate should have been a Witness in the Cause but he is sick and therefore if it may well stand with their Lordships Favour and Justice to deferr this point till he may be examined and heard about it The next thing was the words charged upon him spoken at the same Sentence That the Scotish Nation were Rebels and Traitors and that he would root them out of the Kingdom root and branch These words he absolutely denyed and so under favour he said he must doe still being well assured he never spake them and he is privy to his own heart so far that he can as truly say he never thought them He knows very well what he owes to that Nation as being the Native Countrey of His Majesty and that respect if there were nothing else is sufficient for him to wish to it all Happiness and Prosperity which he doth from his heart Besides he knows there be many of that Nation most Faithful and Loyal Subjects he trusts there are few amongst them otherwise and therefore for him to say the whole Nation are Rebels and Traitors certainly were a Speech of a man frantique and out of his wits rather than of a man in his Senses For though he hath some infirmities of hastiness in him yet he is not so divested of Reason and Understanding as to speak like a mad man especially in things of this nature His Lordship repeated it that he never spake them never thought them nor ever wished any thing to that Nation but Honor and Happiness in all his life nor hath he any manner of particular exception against them either in general or particular Besides he never received personal wrong from any of that Nation he hath received many courtesies from some of them and therefore owes them no Animosity but all the respects in the world But when it comes to the proof that is sufficiently justified for nothing is proved of that they charge him with and when he hath shown the weakness of the proof offered to convince him of them he shall offer a Witness or two that will absolutely clear him Nor did he speak any thing whilst he was in Ireland concerning the Nation in general but whatsoever he spake was concerning the Faction in it and it is an easie matter for a man at a distance to mistake one word for another and when he spoke of the Faction there it was with a great deal of more moderation and better phrase than the words charged For Sir Iames Mountgomery he hath said little as to this matter for he was not there nor speaks at all as if He the Lord of Strafford should have carried himself in that business otherwise than became him only himself confesses when Sir Iames would have some words put into the Oath Of lawful and just Commands He the Earl of Strafford said That that was needless for they could expect no Commands from His Majesty but what were lawful and just and such is the Wisdom and Justice of the King as he dares say they will always be so and the words of the Oath are They shall be so far complying with these Commands as
clear this Point and said The Gentlemen is a great way off him and may easily mistake For he said Were it again to do being no better informed then he was at that time he should do it But now he understands more than he understood before But Mr. Stroud Answered That under-favour he did not mistake my Lord for he remembred how fierce my Lord was upon an Oath in the Case of the Loane when he was a Commoner My Lord of Strafford did here desire a Motion or two The First Importing That he should be very unwilling any thing should befall him that might be a Prejudice to the Peerage of the Realm and out of the duty he owes to that he might crave leave humbly to enform their Lordships That he hath a great Family in Ireland his Wife and Children are there that all he hath is seized on So that he hath not as he protested but as he borrowes it Money to buy Meat to feed himself here And how his Wife and Children and Servants do in Ireland he knows not but that they are under the Providence of Almighty God That it is a heavy Case that being Impeached of Treason and Constructive Treason he hopes it will prove at the most that he should be thus used being a Peer of the Realm to have all he hath taken in this sort and his Wife and Children and Family thus unprovided for and left without so much means as to feed themselves he therefore besought their Lordships to take him into Consideration that he may not be worse than the meanest sort of people having the honor to be a Peer under the pretence of Treason The Second was That since my Lord-Keeper and my Lord of Northumberland may be very good Witnesses for him in the subsequent Charge that will next come before their Lordships And whether my Lord Cottington be in disposition to be here on Monday He knows not that therefore some course might be afforded that he might have the benefit of their Testimony when he shall come to Answer the next Charges Being demanded by the Lord Steward By whom his Goods were seized and Whether by the Orders of the House of Commons Read the other day that their Lordships might clearly understand him His Lordship answered Yes From whence Sir Iohn Clotworthy observed That by these Orders nothing could be Inferred but a Sequestration of the advantage that might possibly be had by the Tobacco And that his Lordship had a fair Estate in Ireland of per Annum acquired since he came into Ireland which is not at all touched To which my Lord of Strafford replyed That he had a Thousand a Year in Ireland and that was all And he had Two hundred and sixty in Family and how those can be maintained All the Customs being seized and a little Money he had having but narrowly escaped he desired their Lordships to take it into their Consideration For these Particulars his Lordship had direction to Petition to their Lordships And so the House was Adjourned and Monday morning next appointed to proceed about the ARTICLES The Council for the House of Commons having proceeded against the Earl of Strafford Article by Article till they came to Article 20 but then finding the following Articles so nearly related to one another they would tye themselves no more to these Rules but pleaded for Liberty to handle them not as they lay but as they were Related to one another And after my Lord Strafford had long and vigorously opposed this my Lord High Steward Determined the Case and Ordered They should be handled promiscuously and in cumulo as the Council for the Commons-House should think fit Therefore I have set down these Articles that were thus Debated here THE Twentieth Article The Charge 20. THat the said Earl hath in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth years of His Majesties Reign and divers years past laboured and endeavoured to breed in His Majesty an ill Opinion of His Subjects namely of those of the Scotch Nation And diverse and sundry times and especially since the Pacification made by His Majesty with His said Subjects of Scotland in Summer in the Fifteenth year of His Majesties Reign he the said Earl did labour and endeavour to perswade incite and provoke His Majesty to an Offensive War against His said Subjects of the Scotch Nation And the said Earl by his Counsels Actions and Endeavors hath been and is a principal and chief Incendiary of the War and Discord between His Majesty and His Subjects of England and the said Subjects of Scotland and hath declared and advised His Majesty that the Demands made by the Scots in their Parliament were a sufficient cause of Warr against them The said Earl having formerly expressed the height and rancour of his Mind towards His Majesties Subjects of the Scotch Nation viz. the Tenth day of October in the Fifteenth year of His Majesties Reign he said That the Nation of the Scots were Rebels and Traytors and he being then about to come to England he then further said That if it pleased his Master meaning His Majesty to send him back again he would root out of the said Kingdom meaning the said Kingdom of Ireland the Scotch Nation both root and branch Some Lords and others who had taken the said Oath in the precedent Article onely excepted and the said Earl hath caused diverse of the Ships and Goods of the Scots to be â—aped seized and molested to the intent to set on the said War THE One and Twentieth Article The Charge 21. THat the said Earl of Strafford shortly after his Speeches mentioned in the last Precedent Articles to wit in the Fifteenth year of His Majesties Reign came into this Realm of England and was made Lord Lieutenant of Ireland and contiâ—ed his Government of that Kingdom by a Deputy at his arrival here finding that His Majesty with much wisdom and goodness had composed the Troubles in the North and had a Paciâ—ation with His Subjects of Scotland he laboured by all means to procure His Majesty to break that Pacification Incensing His Majesty against His Subjects of that Kingdom and the Proceeding of the Parliament there And having Incited His Majesty to an Offensive War against His Subjects of Scotland by Sea and Land and by pretext thereof to raise Forces for the maintenance of that War he compelled His Majesty to call a Parliament in England yet the said Earl intended that if the said Proceedings of that Parliament should not be â—ch as would stand with the said Earl of Straffords mischievous Dâ— he would then procure His Majesty to break the same and by ways of Force and Power to raise Monies upon the Subâ—cts of this Kingdom And for the encouragement of His Majesty to hearken to his Advice he did before His Majesty and Privy-Council then sitting in Council make a large Declaration That he would serve His Majesty in any other way in case the Parliament
Matter they now desiring his Examinations only to the point of my Lord of Straffords perswading the King to an Offensive War against the Scots The Examination of Algernon Earl of Northumberland taken 5th December 1640. Read To the 16th Interrogatory he saith That the said Lord Lieutenant did after the breach of the last Parliament advise His Majesty To go vigorously on in an Offensive and not Defensive War against the Scots The Lord Bishop of London Lord Treasurer of England Sworn and Interrogated What he knew concerning the Earl of Straffords giving Advice to His Majesty to go on in an Offensive War against the Scots before or after the breach of the last Parliament He Answered That all he remembred of my Lord of Straffords Advice touching a War was That which he gave publickly in Council at the Council-Board for he remembred not any single Advice that he gave at all The Advice given by his Lordship the Deponent at the Council-Board after the Relation made by my Lord the Earl of Traquair to the best of his remembrance was this My Lord Traquair did make a Relation before His Majesty and my Lords of what had passed in the Parliament of Scotland and of many Demands made there whereunto they did desire to have His Majesties consent and approbation His Majesty was pleased to signifie to those Lords That among these Demands there were some of them very prejudicial to that Crown insomuch that He could by no means give way to and consent to them with His Honor and safety and thereupon the Advice or Opinion given was and then was given by my Lord the Earl of Strafford as well as others of my Lords and the Demands being of that nature as they were then informed and the Commissioners as he remembers being then come up or at lest had a Licence to come up It was Resolved upon That in case they should insist upon those Demands that had been so related and would not recede nor alter nor submit otherwise then His Majesty should prepare Himself to reduce them by force this he takes to be my Lord of Straffords Expression and the Substance of what was there delivered Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford advised then an Offensive War or a Defensive War He Answered That he did not well remember what kind of War but he thinks it was an Offensive War Being Asked Whether at the Dissolving of the last Parliament my Lord of Strafford did not advise to an Offensive War He Answered That he remembers upon a Meeting afterwards of casting up the Charges and other things there was a discourse of it Whether it was best to have a War as only Defensive the War being then resolved upon or to make an Offensive War that is to enter into Scotland with Force And there were diverse Opinions in 't and he believes my Lord did incline to the Opinion for an Offensive War Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Whether he my Lord of Strafford delivered any Opinion at that time different from the rest of the Lords present He Answered That every man there exprest himself in such sort as he thought fit some in one kind some in another but he did not observe any difference as to the main in the Opinion of any man Being Asked About the time When this was He Answered It was at the Council-Board at that time when my Lord Traquair made his Relation and as he remembers it was about December Being Asked Whether he delivered his Opinion once or twice He Answered The Opinion was delivered but once as he Remembers To the Seizing of the Scotch Ships in Ireland after the Pacification Mr. Nich. Barnewell Sworn and Interrogated What he knew of the stopping of the Scotch Ships in Ireland He Answered That Sir Robert Loftus had a place under my Lord Admiral and had seized on some Scotch Ships and Boates and that others fled away and that Sir George Ratcliff was Angry that he spoke of it in so Publick a Place as to give them occasion to run away but the time he doth not remember and he thinks Sir Robert Loftus was Vice-Admiral of Lemster but he cannot take his Oath that the Warrant was from my Lord of Strafford but Sir Robert told him He had a Warrant And so Mr. Whitlock said They would leave it as to the matter of Scotland and observed the Proofes That when a free Parliament was Convened there by the Kings Authority and had liberty to treat of their Grievances and Demands and when these Demands by way of Narration were declared in my Lord of Straffords hearing though the reasons of them were not then delivered yet my Lord of Strafford gave his Advice to the King That these Demands made in Parliament were a sufficient ground of a War against them even after His Majesty had declared Himself satisfied and would stay to hear the Reasons but that would not satisfie my Lord of Strafford he himself declared it at several times and before himself had heard the Reasons that the Demands made by the Kings Free Parliament were a sufficient ground of a War And if it be so Mr. Whitlock said he he is sure then Parliament or no Parliament no Liberty nor Property can subsist with it My Lord of Strafford hath declared his intention and designe to subvert the Parliament and to subvert the Government of Scotland That he perswaded the King to an offensive War and told the King their Demands were not matter of Religion but struck at the root of Government and that it was fit to punish them by force and on these proofs it is conceived his Designe was manifest After this Mr. Whitlock proceeded to shew also his Design against England and began with the Testimony of my Lord Primate of Ireland The Examination of the Right Reverend Father in God Iames Lord Archbishop of Armagh Primate of all Ireland taken 11 Ian. 1640. To the 119 th Interrogatory he saith That in or about April last past in discourse betwixt the Earl of Strafford Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland and this Examinant at Dublin in Ireland touching the Levies of Money upon the Subjects by the King he did hear the said Earl of Strafford declare That he did agree with those in England who thought that in case of imminent necessity the King might make use of his Prerogative to levy what he needed save that as his Lordship then further said in his opinion His Majesty was first to try His Parliament and if that supplyed him not then he might make use of His Prerogative as He pleased Himself or words to that effect The Lord Conway being asked what words my Lord of Strafford used when the said Lord Conway Demanded How the Army should be paid in case the Parliament gave not supply His Lordship Answered That he had been formerly examined upon this thing and then gave his Answer and besought their Lordships to give him
and Recusants prefer another Petition but it was when the Gentlemen of the Countrey were gone and so there was no consent of the Countrey The other thing he pretends is That the Lords of the great Council had consented to that Imposition which we say is not true there was no such Consent or Direction yet this he said both in the Countrey and in his Answer and their Lordships best know that the Lords of the Great Council did not give that direction The first thing offered was the Petition first intended which Sir Hugh Cholmley and Sir Philip Stapleton affirming on oath to be the true Petition their Hands being to it amongst others was read being in effect The Humble Petition of the Gentlemen of the County YORK WHEREAS Your Majesty imparted to us the danger by the incursions of the Scots and the necessity of continuing the Trained-Bands of this County in entertainment for two Months and raising Money so long and did Royally assure us That the Wardships of such as dyed in this Imployment should be freed and one third part of the Trained-Bands should be abated for which we acknowledge our bounden thankfulness in ready obedience of Your Majesties Command we have represented to Your Majesty our present Condition and in the entrance of the business we found a great impediment and discouragement by certain Warrants produced for levying Money towards this new service wherein in the first place we cannot omit to let your Majesty know the great grief we have in that the County is there charged with disaffection and backwardness therein which as we are confident we never were guilty of so we were in good hope your Majesty had received no such Impression of us And in the next place we find our selves much grieved that the execution of such Warrants which we conceive illegal should be concluded and urged on peril of life notwithstanding the strictness of which Warrants we find divers parts of the County have not been able to pay the Money demanded and from thence and the attestation of divers Gentlemen we are assured the scarcity of Money is such that it is diabled from satisfying your expectation therein And that Your Majesty may know it is no pretence but a real poverty we are bold to represent the Charges viz. of Ship-Money Vast expences the last year in Military affairs The Billeting and Insolency of Soldiers this Summer part of the time on the credit of the County Decay of Trade Stop of Markets Charge of Carriages especially in Harvest by which means not only the common people but most of the Gentry by the failing of Rents are much impoverished And therefore we petition Your Majesty You will accept our endeavour to prevail with the Countrey to raise so much Money as will pay the County one whole month from their first rising within which time as is generally reported Your Majesty hath Commanded the attendance of the Peers to consult for the safety of the Kingdom and pray the Trained-Bands may be continued in the Villages where they are Quartered except Your occasions otherwise require it and in the interim for the redress of these Grievances and security of Your Kingdom Your Majesty will please to Declare Your Pleasure for summoning the High Court of Parliament c. To prove that my Lord of Strafford refused to deliver this Petition and that another was framed to which the Countrey consented not Sir Hugh Cholmley was Sworn and Interrogated whether this Petition was shewed my Lord of Strafford and whether he was not unwilling to deliver it and why He Answered That this Petition was shewed to my Lord of Strafford in the name of the Gentlemen that had subscribed it and it was delivered to him by my Lord Wharton and of those Gentlemen that subscribed their Hands many were gone out of Town and desired that those that staid in Town might attend my Lord Wharton and intreat him to deliver it to my Lord of Strafford and when it was delivered my Lord of Strafford took only exception at least he the Examinant is sure that was the chief exception because they petitioned for a Parliament and said that leaving out that Clause he would joyn with him in the Petition Being asked what he knew of another Petition framed afterwards He Answered That at that time no other Petition was framed by the Gentry of the Countrey this Petition being rejected for my Lord of Strafford went and delivered some message to the King he thinks for the maintaining of the Trained-Bands a month and many of them that did subscribe to the Petition not consenting to it met together intending to make a Petition and Protestation against it and did so intending to deliver it to His Majesty but it was not delivered Being asked what Moneys were levied by whose Warrants and for what time He Answered That he can say nothing to the levying of Money but in general he thinks Money was levied Sir Henry Cholmley Sworn and Interrogated what my Lord of Strafford said concerning Money He Answered That he had the Honor to be one of the Colonels of the Trained-Bands and received Command from my Lord of Strafford being Lieutenant-General of the Army to give account in what state his the Examinants Regiment stood of what strength it was and how provided of Money That he repaired to his Lordship and told him That notwithstanding the Warrants sent out they came not to him and unless he had Money shortly the Regiment would disband That his Lordship answered him he would send a Levy on the Goods of those that refused Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether he did so send He Answered No that he knows of Sir Iohn Hotham Sworn and Interrogated what he knew touching the Petition and my Lord of Straffords rejecting it He Answered That concerning the Petition it is true that being to meet together in the afternoon at the Common Hall they did first consult what to represent to my Lord. But when they came there my Lord refused and made doubt of delivering the Petition unless they would put out the clause concerning the Parliament and some thought it fit to preferr it without it Some of the Gentlemen that had petitioned went out and delivered in something to the King but what it was he knows not And for levying of the Money he can say nothing to it Warrants were sent out by the Vice-President but how far my Lord was interested in it he can say nothing at all Sir Philip Stapleton Sworn and Interrogated as to the delivering of the Petition He Answered that for the Petition he can say his Countrey-men being sent for to York by the King and intimation given that they should keep their Trained-Bands for two months they desired time to give an answer which was allowed them as they desired till the next day They met that night and though my Lord-Lieutenant desired to meet with them they met first
By my Faith I fear and doubt very much these Fears and Doubts might Accuse me and Condemn me of Treason more then once a Year But my Lords his Fears and Doubts he may keep to himself I hope they shall not be brought any way to the prejudice of me I am I thank God both confident and knowing there is no such thing The next is the Testimony of Mr. Treasurer Vane and the Words Mr. Treasurer doth Witness against me in that particular are as I conceive these that I should say to His Majesty in an Argument concerning an Offensive or Defensive War with Scotland Your Majesty hath tryed all wayes and are refused and in this extream necessity for the safety of the Kingdom and Your People You may imploy the Irish Army to reduce this Kingdom My Lords To this I say that under favour Mr. Treasurer was in this methoughts a little Dubious he was something doubtful for at the first he told your Lordships he would deal plainly and clearly with you that he knew before whom he spoke and then my Lords it was but to the best of his Remembrance that these and these words were spoken At the last my Lords being put to it more he was pleased to say that these were positively the words or something to that effect So my Lords here is but a dubious and uncertain Witness under favour and these Professions of his speaking clearly and plainly and of his Consideration before whom he was which are something unusual Clauses to Men that come to Swear upon Oath make me conceive him something Dubious in this point Secondly My Lords he is a Single Witness and not onely so but under favour disavowed by all the rest that were present at the Council my Lord of Northumberland remembred no such thing my Lord Marquiss of Hamilton remembred no such thing my Lord Treasurer remembred no such thing my Lord Cottington is very well assured he said no such thing for if he had he should have taken offence at it himself which he never did My Lords in the Third place He is pleased to mention That it was in a Debate Whether an Offensive or Defensive War and that then I should say The King had an Army in Ireland c. My Lords It falls out in time to be as I conceive to be about the 5 th of May last not many dayes sooner or later the Army of Ireland was not raised till Iune following So it seems I should tell the King a great untruth that he had an Army in Ireland which he might imploy for His Service before that Army was raised for it is a notorious thing and any of that Country knows that the Army was not raised till the Fifteenth of Iune as I remember Lastly In farther taking away of this Testimony I have proved it by a great many Witnesses beyond all exception that there was never any such intendment of the bringing this Army into England nay that the Design was quite otherwise and this hath been apparently cleared before your Lordships By the Testimony of my Lord of Northumberland Marquess of Hamilton Sir Thomas Lucas and Mr. Slingsby And might have been further justify'd by the Testimony of my Lord of Ormond President of Munster and Sir Iohn Burlace Master of the Ordnance in Ireland if they had been here to have been produced So that all these laid together the strong and clear proof on my part the producing of a single Witness which by the Proviso of 1 Edw. 6. cannot rise in Judgment against any man for High-Treason I trust all these laid together I shall appear to your Lordships clear and free from these two points whereupon they enforce me to be within the compass of Treason by the Statute alleadged The Third Treason that is laid to my Charge is upon the 27 th Article where Four Musquettiers being sent to Egton by Sergeant Major Yawerth to call for their Eight pence a day is prest upon me as a Levying of War upon the King and His People and to be High-Treason upon the Statute of 25 E. 3. These be wonderful Wars if we have no greater Wars then such as four men are able to raise by the Grace of God we shall not sleep very unquietly But How do they prove this to be done by me they produce to your Lordships the VVarrant of Sir William Pennyman but had no VVarrant at all of mine to shew Sir William Pennyman doth not alledge any VVarrant of mine to that purpose he speaks of a General VVarrant wherein I and the Deputy-Lieutenants joyne for the paying of the Fortnights pay as they call it and that is very true but that I should give VVarrant to Levy by Soldiers no such thing is proved no such thing is shewed no such thing is alleadged by Sir William Pennyman that best knew it and should do it in his own Justification if there were such a thing but on the other side I must humbly beseech your Lordships to mind you what a clear and full proofe I made thereof to you till you were weary though I think I could have continued it a year longer if need had been that there was nothing done by me in the Levying of the first Months pay or the second Fortnights pay but with full consent of the Country nothing being of Constraint nothing being of force put upon them The Second point was a VVarrant shewed to your Lordships or at least pretended from Sir Edward Osborne the Vice-President wherein he charges them to obey and persue the substance and direction of his VVarrant on pain of Death and this must likewise be laid to me My Lords I confess I have faults enough more then a good many though I trust neither so crying nor grievous as some would pretend them to be but Faults I have more then too many I need not take nor add to my self other Mens but whether this be a Fault or no I cannot undertake to Judge But certainly I am in no Fault for I was at when this VVarrant issued from Mr. Vice-President and I dare say he is a Gentleman so worthy and noble and so great a Lover of Truth that let him be examined upon Oath if he shall not absolutely clear me from Privity or Direction of it I so much rely on him that I will be thought Guilty before your Lordships for this Charge Now my Lords having gone over all that first part which I thought fit to apply my self to and that is Statute-Treason There is no Statute-Treasons in the whole Charge nor colour or pretence thereof save onely that of Newcastle which was waved In these my Lords I hope I am clear before your Lordships and sure I am they give me little disquiet for in good faith I am clear in my own poor Judgment Then comes in the second Condition of Treason in the charge and that is Constructive-Treason and it is laid down in the first Article of the General Charge For my
year of Edward the 1. a Writ went to the Justices in Ireland that Kingdom at that time was governed by Justices declaring That upon Petitions they were not to determine any Titles between party and party upon any pretence of profit whatsoever to the King In the Eight and twentieth year of Hen. the 6th Chap. 2. Suits in Equity not before the Deputy but in Chancery Suits at Common-Law not before him but in cases of Life in the Kings-Bench for Title of Lands or Goods in the proper Courts of the Kings-Bench or Common-Pleas This declared in the Instructions for Ireland in the latter end of King Iames His time and by the Proclamation in His Majesties time my Lord took notice of them called the Commissioners narrow-hearted Commissioners The Law said He should not thus proceed in the subversion of it he saith he will and will enforce Obedience by the Army this is as much in respect of the end as to endeavour the overthrow of the Statutes of Labourers of Victuals or of Merton for Inclosures here is a Warrant against the King in respect of the end 2. In respect of the Actions whether there be either a Levying of War or an open Deed or both My Lords There was an Army in Ireland at that time of Two thousand Horse and Foot by this Warrant there is a full designation of this whole Army and an Assignment of it over to Savill for this purpose The Warrant gives him power from time to time to take as many Soldiers Horse and Foot with an Officer throughout the whole Army as himself shall please here is the terror and awe of the whole Army to enforce Obedience My Lords If the Earl had Armed two thousand men Horse and Foot and formed them into Companies to this end your Lordships would have conceived that this had been a War It 's as much as in the Case of Sir Thomas Talbot who armed them in Assemblies This is the same with a breach of Trust added to it That Army which was first raised and afterwards committed to his Trust for the defence of the People is now destined by him to their destruction This assignation of the Army by his Warrant under his Hand and Seal is an open Act. My Lords Here 's not only an open Act done but a Levying of War Soldiers both Horse and Foot with an Officer in Warlike manner assessed upon the Subject which killed their Cattel consumed and wasted their Goods Your Lordships observe a great difference where six men go upon a design alone and when sent from an Army of six hundred all engaged in the same service so many were sent as were sufficient to execute the Command if upon a poor man fewer more upon a rich if the six had not been able the whole Army must make it good The reason that the Sheriff directed alone or but with one Bayliff to do execution is because he hath the Command of the Law the Kings Writ and the Posse Comitatus in case of resistance Here 's the Warrant of a General of an Army Here 's the Posse Exercitus the Power of the Army under the awe of the whole Army six may force more than sixty without it and although never above six in one place yet in several parts of the Kingdom at the same time might be above sixty for sessing of Soldiers was frequent it was the ordinary course for execution of his Orders The Lord-Lieutenant of a County in England hath a design to alter the Laws and Government nay admit the design goes not so high he only declares thus much he will order the Freeholders and Estates of the Inhabitants of the County at his own will and pleasure and doth accordingly proceed upon Paper-Petitions foreseeing there will be disobedience he grants out Warrants under his Hand and Seal to the Deputy-Lieutenants and Captains of the Trained-bands that upon refusal they will take such number of the Trained-Bands through the County with Officers as they shall think good and lay them upon the Lands and Houses of the refusers Soldiers in a Warlike manner are frequently sessed upon them accordingly your Lordships do conceive that this is a Levying of War within the Statute The Case in question goes further in these two Respects That it is more against the declared Law in Ireland not only against the Common-Law but likewise against the Statute of 28 Hen. 6th against the Acts of the Commissioners against Proclamations in persuance of the Law against that himself took notice of narrow-hearted Commissioners In this that here was an Army the Soldiers by profession acts of Hostility from them of greater terror than from Freeholders of the same County My Lords I have now done with the First of Levying of War The Second is the Machination the advising of a War The Case in this rests upon a Warrant to Savile and the advice in the 23 Article The Warrant shews a resolution of imploying the old Army of Ireland to the oppression of His Majesties Subjects and the Laws In the 23 Article having told His Majesty that he was loosed and absolved from Rules of Government and might doe every thing which Power might admit he proceeded further in speech to His Majesty in these words You have an Army in Ireland you may employ to reduce this Kingdom My Lords Both being put together there 's a Machination a practice an advice to Levy War and by force to oppress and destroy His Majesties Subjects It hath been said the Statute of the 25 Edw. 3. is a penal Law and cannot be taken by equity and construction there must be an actual War the Statute makes it Treason to counterfeit the Kings Coin the conspiring the raising of Furnaces is no Treason unless he doth Nummum percutere actually Coin My Lords This is only said not proved the Law is otherwise the 19th Hen 6. fol. 49. there adjudged That the conspiring and aiding to counterfeit Coin was Treason and Justice Stamford fol. 331. 44. is of opinion that this or the conspiring to counterfeit the Great Seal is Treason The Statute is If any shall counterfeit the Great Seal conspiring to do it by the Book is Treason if a man take the Broad Seal from one Patent and put it to another here is no counterfeiting it 's tantamount and therefore Treason as is adjudged in 2 Hen. 4. fol. 25. and by the opinion of Stamford If Machination or Plotting a War be not within that clause of the Statute of Levying of War yet it is within the first of compassing the death of the King as that which necessarily tends to the destruction both of King and People upon whose safety and protection he is to engage himself That this is Treason hath been adjudged both after the Statutes of 1 Hen. 4. cap. 10. and 1 Queen Mary so much insisted upon on the other side In the Third year of King Hen. 4th one Balshal coming from London found one Bernard
ad fidem legem Angliae The Irish without the Pale were enemies always either in open act of Hostility or upon Leagues and Hostages given for securing the Peace and therefore as here in England we had our Marches upon the frontiers in Scotland and Wales so were there Marches between the Irish and English Pale where the Inhabitants held their Lands by this tenure to defend the Countrey against the Irish as appears in the close Roll of the Tower in the 20th year of Edw. 3. membrana 15. on the backside and in an Irish Parliament held the 42 year of Edw. 3. it 's declared That the English Pale was almost destroyed by the Irish enemies and that there was no way to prevent the danger but only that the Owners reside upon their Lands for defence and that absence should be a forfeiture This Act of Parliament in a great Council here was affirmed as appears in the close Roll the 22 year of Edw. 3. Membrana 20 dorso Afterwards as appears in the Statute of 28 Hen. 6th in Ireland this Hostility continued between the English Marches and the Irish Enemies who by reason there was no difference between the English Marches and them in their apparel did daily not being known to the English destroy the English within the Pale Therefore it is enacted that every English-man shall have the hair of his upper Lip for distinction sake This hostility continued until the 10th year of Henry the 7th as appears by the Statute of 10 H. 7th and 17th so successively downwards till the making of this very Statute of 11 Eliz. as appears fully in the 9th Chap. Nay immediately before and at the time of the making of this Statute there was not only enmity between those of the Shire-ground that is the English and Irish Pale but open War and acts of hostility as appears by History of no less Authority than that Statute it self for in the first Chapter of that Statute is the Attainder of Shane Oneale who had made open War was slain in open War it 's there declared That he had gotten by force all the North of Ireland for an hundred and twenty miles in length and about a hundred in breadth that he had mastered divers places within the English Pale when the flame of this War by his death immediately before this Statute was spent yet the Firebrands were not all quenched for the Rebellion continued by Iohn Fitz-Gerard called the White Knight and Thomas Gueverford this appears by the Statute of the Thirteenth year of Queen Eliz. in Ireland but two years after this of the Eleventh year of Queen Eliz. where they are attainted of High Treason for levying of War this Eleventh year wherein this Statute was made So that my Lords immediately before and at the time of the making of this Statute there being War between those of the Shire-grounds mentioned in this Statute and the Irish the concluding of War and Acts Offensive and Invasive there mentioned can be intended against no others but the Irish Enemies Again The words of the Statute are No Captain shall assemble the people of the Shire-grounds to conclude of Peace or War Is to presume that those of the Shire-grounds will conclude of War against themselves Nor with the Statute Shall carry those of the Shire-grounds to do any Acts Invasive by the construction which is made on the other side they must be carried to fight against themselves Lastly The words are That as Captain none shall assume the Name or Authority of a Captain or as a Captain shall gather the people together or as a Captain lead them the offence is not in the matter but in the manner If the Acts offensive were against the Kings good Subjects those that were under Command were punishable as well as the Commanders but in respect the Soldiers knew the service to be good in it self being against the enemies and that it was not for them to dispute the Authority of their Commanders the penalty of 100 l. is laid only upon him That as Captain shall assume this Power without Warrant the People commanded are not within this Statute My Lords The Logick wherupon this Argument is framed stands thus because the Statute of the Eleventh year of Queen Elizabeth inflicts a penalty of 100 l. and no more upon any man that as a Captain without Warrant and upon his own head shall conclude of or make War against the King's Enemies Therefore the Statute of the Eighteenth year of Henry the 6th is repealed which makes it Treason to lay Soldiers upon or to levy War against the Kings good People But my Lords Observation hath been made upon other words of this Statute that is that without Licence of the Deputy these things cannot be done this shews that the Deputy is within none of the Statutes My Lords This Argument stands upon the same reason with the former because he hath the ordering of the Army of Ireland for the defence of the people and may give Warrant to the Officers of the Army upon eminent occasions of Invasion to resist or prosecute the Enemy because of the danger that else might ensue forthwith by staying for a Warrant from His Majesty out of England My Lords The Statute of the 10th year of Henry the 7th chap. 17. touched upon for this purpose clears the business in both points for there is declared That none ought to make War upon the Irish Rebels and Enemies without Warrant from the Lieutenant the forfeiture 100 l. as here the Statute is the same with this and might as well have been cited for repealing the Statute of the 18th year of Henry the 6th as this of the 11th year of Queen Elizabeth But if this had been insisted upon it would have expounded the other two clear against him Object My Lords it hath been further said although the Statute be in force and there be a Treason within it yet the Parliament hath no Jurisdiction the Treasons are committed in Ireland therefore not triable here Answ. My Lords Sir Iohn Parrot his Predecessor 24 Edw. was tryed in the Kings Bench for Treason done in Ireland when he was Deputy and Oruche in the 33 year of Queen Elizabeth adjudged here for Treason done in Ireland Object But it will be said these Tryals were after the Statute of the 34th year of Henry the 8th which enacts that Treasons beyond Sea may be tryed in England Answ. My Lords his Predecessor my Lord Gray was tryed and adjudged here in the Kings-Bench that was in Trinity Term in the 33 year of Henry the 8th this was before the making of that Statute Object To this again will we say That it was for Treason by the Laws and Statutes of England that this is not for any thing that 's Treason by the Law of England but an Irish Statute So that the question is only Whether your Lordships here in Parliament have cognizance of an offence made Treason by an Irish Statute
faithfulness protected his Ancestry Himself and his whole Family It was not Malum quia prohibitum it was Malum in se against the Dictates of the dullest Conscience against the Light of Nature they not having a Law were a Law to themselves Besides this he knew a Law without that the Parliament in Cases of this Nature had Potestatem vitae necis Nay he well knew that he offended the Promulged and Ordinary Rules of Law Crimes against Law have been Proved have been Confessed so that the Question is not De culpa sed de poena What degree of Punishment those Faults deserve We must differ from him in Opinion That twenty Felonies cannot make a Treason if it be meant of equallity in the use of the Legislative Power for he that deserves death for one of these Felonies alone deserves a Death more Painful and more Ignominious for all together Every Felony is punished with loss of Life Lands and Goods a Felony may be aggravated with those Circumstances as that the Parliament with good reason may add to the Circumstances of Punishment as was done in the Case of Iohn Hall in the Parliament of the 1 H. 4. who for a Barbarous Murder committed upon the Duke of Glocester Stifling him between two Feather-Beds at Calice was Adjudged to be Hanged Drawn and Quartered Batteries by Law are only punishable by Fine and single Damages to the Party Wounded In the Parliament held in 1 H. 4. Cap. 6. one Savage committed a Battery upon one Chedder Servant to Sir Iohn Brooke a Knight of the Parliament for Somersetshire It 's there Enacted that he shall pay double Damages and stand Convicted if he render not himself by such a time The manner of proceedings quickned and the penalty doubled the Circumstances were considered it concerned the Common-Wealth it was a Battery with Breach of Priviledge of Parliament This made a perpetual Act no warning to the first Offender and in the Kings Bench as appears by the Book-Case of 9 H. 4. the first leaf Double Damages were recovered My Lords in this of the Bill the Offence is High and General against the King and the Common-wealth against all and the best of all If every Felony be loss of Life Lands and Goods What is Misuser of the Legislative Power by Addition of Ignominy in the Death and Disposal of the Lands to the Crown the Publick Patrimony of the Kingdom But it was hoped that your Lordships had no more skill in the Art of killing Men then your worthy Ancestors My Lords this Appeal from your selves to your Ancestors we do admit of although we do not admit of that from your Lordships to the Peers of Ireland He hath appealed to them your Lordships will be pleased to hear what Judgment they have already given in the case that is the several Attainders of Treason in Parliament after the Statute of 25 E. 3. for Treasons not mentioned nor within that Statute and those upon the first Offenders without warning given By the Statute of 25 E. 3. it 's Treason to levy War against the King Gomines and Weston afterwards in Parliament in the 1 R. 2. n. 38 39 adjudged Traytors for surrendring two several Castles in France only out of fear without any Compliance with the Enemy this not within the Statute of 25th E. 3. My Lords In the 3 d of Rich. 2d. Iohn Imperiall that came into England upon Letters of Safe Conduct as an Agent for the State of Genoa sitting in the evening before his door in Breadstreet as the words of the Records are Paulo ante ignitegium Iohn Kirkby and another Citizen coming that way Casually Kirkby troad upon his Toe it being twilight this grew to a Quarrel and the Ambassador was slain Kirkby was Indicted of High-Treason the Indictment finds all this and that it was only done se defendendo and without malice The Judges it being out of the Statute 25 E. 3. could not proceed the Parliament declared it Treason and Judgment afterwards of High-Treason there 's nothing can bring this within the Statute of 25 E. 3. but it concerns the Honor of the Nation that the Publick Faith should be strictly kept It might endanger the Traffique of the Kingdom they made not a Law first they made the first man an Example this is in the Parliament-Roll 3 R. 2. Number 18. and Hillary Terme 3 R. 2. Rot. 31. in the Kings-Bench where Judgment is given against him In 11 R. 2. Tresilian and some others attainted of Treason for delivering Opinions in the Subversion of the Law and some others for plotting the like My Lords the Case hath upon another occasion been opened to your Lordships only this is observable that in the Parliament of the first year of Henry the Third where all Treasons are again reduced to the Statute of 25 E. 3. These Attainders were by a particular Act confirmed and made good that the memory thereof might be transmitted to succeeding Ages they stand good unto this day the offences there as here were the endeavouring the Subversion of the Laws My Lords after the 1 H. 4. Sir Iohn Mortimer being committed to the Tower upon suspition of Treason brake Prison and made his escape This no way within any Statute or any former Judgment at Common-Law for this that is for breaking the Prison only and no other cause in the Parliament held the second year of Henry the Sixth he was attainted of High-Treason by Bill My Lords Poysoning is only Murder yet one Richard Cooke having put Poyson into a Pot of Pottage in the Kitchin of the Bishop of Rochester whereof two persons dyed he 's Attainted of Treason and it was Enacted that he should be Boyled to Death by the Statute of 22 H. 8. c. 9. By the Statute of the 25 H. 8. Elizabeth Barton the Holy Maid of Kent for pretending Revelations from God That God was highly displeased with the King for being Divorced from the Lady Katherine and that in case he persisted in the Separation and should Marry another that he would not continue King not above one Moneth after because this tended to the depriving of the lawful Succession to the Crown she is Attainted of Treason My Lords all these Attainders for ought I know are in force at this day The Statutes of the First year of Henry the 4 th and the First of Queen Mary although they were willing to make the Statute of 25 E. 3. the Rule to the Inferiour Courts yet they left the Attainders in Parliament precedent to themselves untoucht wherein the Legislative power had been exercised There 's nothing in them whence it can be gathered but that they intended to leave it as free for the future My Lords In all these Attainders there were Crimes and Offences against the Law they thought it not unjust Circumstances considered to heighten and add to the degrees of punishment and that upon the first Offender My Lords we receive as just the other Lawes
himself The Eighth Article contains several charges as that of my Lord Chancellor How he imprisoned him upon a Iudgement before himself and the Council how he inforced the Seal from him when he had no authority nay though it were excepted by his Patent that he should no way dispose of it but he looked not to Authority further than might make way to his Will Another concerns the prime Earl of that Kingdom my Lord of Kildare whom he imprisoned and kept close prisoner contrary to the Kings express command for his deliverance and in his answer my Lord acknowledges it but sayes That that command was obtained from the King upon a mis-information These things I would not have mentioned if he had passed them over but since he gives them in give me leave to mention and say we had a ground to put them into Charge and could have proved them if there had been need punctually and expresly and I believe little to my Lords advantage But your Lordships I think do remember my Lady Hibbots Case where the Lady Hibbots contracts with Thomas Hibbots for his Inheritance for 2500 l. executes the Contract by a Deed and Fine levied deposits part of the Money and when a Petition was exhibited to the Lord Deputy and Council for the very Estate your Lordships remember how this came in judgment before my Lord Deputy there was but a Petition delivered there was an answer made and all the suggestions of the Petition denied yet my Lord spake to Hibbots himself that was willing to accept the Money not to decline the way that he was in by Petition Five hundred pound more will do him no hurt to carry into England with him and yet without examination of a Witness a Decree was made to deprive this Lady of her Estate and the purchasing of this Land by my Lord of Strafford was proved by two Witnesses though not absolutely yet by confession of Sir Robert Meredith and others whose names were used in Trust for my Lord of Strafford and that it proved according to my Lord of Straffords Prophecy for the man had five hundred pounds gain above the Contract with my Lady Hibbots But after the Lands were sold for Seven thousand pounds so that the Lady Hibbots offence was her making of a bargain whereby to gain Five hundred pounds but there was no offence in my Lord to make a bargain for Three thousand pounds and to gain Four thousand pounds presently this you see proved by Hibbots the party and by Mr. Hoy the Son of the Lady Hibbots So that here is a determination of a Cause before the Council-Table touching Land which was neither Plantation nor Church-Land without colour of the Instructions contrary to Law to Statute to Practice and if this be not an exercising of an unlawful jurisdiction over the Land and Estates of the Subject I know not what is In his answer to this case he did open it yet whether he mistook or no I know not that he had a Letter from the King but he produces none in evidence and that is another mis-recital I am sorry he should mis-recite and fix it upon the Person of His Sovereign in a case of this nature Now he falls more immediately upon the liberty of the Subject and that is by the Warrant mentioned in the Ninth Article to be issued to the Bishop of Down and Conner whereby he gives power to him and his Officers to apprehend any of the Kings Subjects that appeared not upon Process out of his Ecclesiastical Courts expresly contrary to Law and your Lordships have heard how miserably the Kings Subjects were used by this Warrant as hath been proved by a Gentleman of Quality Sir Iames Mountgomery And howsoever he pretends it was called in it was three whole years in execution before it was called in and though he pretends his Predecessors did ordinarily grant Warrants of that nature yet he proves no such thing My Lord Primate was examined and he says that Bishop Mountgomery did tell him there was such a Warrant and one Witness more speaks of one Warrant and that is all the Witnesses produced and that but to be a Copy too Your Lordships have heard how he exercises his jurisdiction and power over particulars and that in a numerous manner now your Lordships shall find it universal and spread over the face of that Kingdom that was under his jurisdiction and that is in the tenth Article which concerns the Customs where he doth impose upon the Kings Subjects a Rate and Tax against Law and enforces them to pay it or else punishes them for it which is expresly an arrogating to himself of a jurisdiction above the Law My Lords in his answer he pretends that this is rather a matter of fraud than otherwise in truth and so it is and that a great one too But as it is a fraud a dis-service and deceit to His Majesty so it is likewise an exercise of a Tyrannical Jurisdiction over his Subjects That it is a fraud to His Majesty it plainly appears for the King lost exceedingly by it whereas before the Rent afforded the King was 11050. l. there was improved by the new Lease that my Lord of Strafford took but 1350 l. and I beseech your Lordships observe how much the King lost by it for my Lord had comprehended in his new Lease the Impost of Wine for which the King before that time received 1400 l. a year and likewise the Custom of London-derry Colerane and Knockfergus for which the King had reserved 1700 l. a year besides the moity of the seizures so here is 5000 l. that the King lost of the old Rent expresly and if your Lordships please observe the gain and benefit my Lord of Strafford made by it in one year he and his sharers received 39000 l. and in the last year 51000 l. and that expresly proved upon two accounts and if this be his dealing where is his service to the King in his pretence to advance the Customs It is true he says The King hath five eighth parts but it was but within these two years the King had it not before And I would very gladly have heard whether the King received his part of an account of 55000 l. if he had received it I believe we should have heard of it My Lords There is something more here is a new imposition on the Kings people without Law and yet I will do my Lord of Strafford no injury but I tell you how the proof stands It was a Book of Rates framed before he came to the farm for the Book of Rates was in March and the Date of his Assignment was in April following and therefore my Lord saith It could not be for his benefit But my Lords all this while my Lord of Strafford was in England and in agitation for the procuring of it and they come one upon the heels of another and I beseech you observe cui bono the Book of
make a separation between You and Your People under a heavier censure than this I am perswaded no Gentleman can suffer Now I understand the minds of Men are more and more incensed against me notwithstanding Your Majesty hath Declared That in Your Princely opinion I am not Guilty of Treason and that You are not satisfied in Your Conscience to pass the Bill This bringeth me in a very great streight there is before me the ruine of my Children and Family hitherto untouch'd in all the Branches of it with any foul crime Here are before me the many ills which may befall Your Sacred Person and the whole Kingdom should Your Self and Parliament part less satisfied one with the other than is necessary for the preservation both of King and People Here are before me the things most valued most feared by mortal men Life or Death To say Sir that there hath not been a strife in me were to make me less man than God knoweth my Infirmities make me and to call a destruction upon my self and young Children where the intentions of my heart at least have been innocent of this great offence may be believed will find no easy consent from Flesh and Blood But with much sadness I am come to a Resolution of that which I take to be best becoming me and to look upon it as that which is most principal in it self which doubtless is the prosperity of Your Sacred Person and the Common wealth things infinitely before any private mans interest And therefore in few words as I put my self wholly upon the Honor and Iustice of my Peers so clearly as to wish Your Majesty might please to have spared that Declaration of Yours on Saturday last and intirely to have left me to their Lordships So now to set Your Majesties Conscience at liberty I do most humbly beseech Your Majesty for prevention of evils which may happen by Your refusal to pass this Bill and by this means to remove praised be God I cannot say this accursed but I confess this unfortunate thing forth of the way towards that blessed agreement which God I trust shall ever establish between You and Your Subjects Sir My Consent shall more acquit you herein to God than all the World can doe besides To a willing man there is no injury done and as by Gods Grace I forgive all the World with a calmness and meekness of infinite contentment to my dislodging Soul So Sir to you I can give the life of this world with all the chearfulness imaginable in the just acknowledgment of your exceeding favours and only beg that in Your Goodness You would vouchsafe to cast Your Gracious regard upon my poor Son and his Three Sisters less or more and no otherwise than as their in present unfortunate Father may hereafter appear more or less guilty of this death God long preserve Your Majesty Tower May 4. 1641. Your Majesties most Faithful And Humble Subject And Servant STRAFFORD WEdnesday the 5th of May there happened to be a strange Hubbub in the City upon a false Alarm That the Parliament-House was beset and on fire and all their lives in danger which occasioned such running up and down in a confused manner to come to protect them that the like hath scarce been seen This Hubbub and Alarm happened upon this occasion Sir Walter Earl was making a Report to the House of some Plot and Design to blow up the House of Commons Whereupon some Members in the Gallery stood up the better to hear the Report and Mr. Moyle of Cornwal and Mr. Middleton of Sussex two persons of good bigness weighed down a board in the Gallery which gave so great a crack that some Members thought that it was a Plot indeed and Sir Iohn Wray speaking out he smelt Gunpowder hastening back out of the Gallery some Members and others in fear running out of the House frighted people in the Lobby who ran into the Hall crying out The Parliament House was falling and the Members were slaine and the people running in a hurry through the Hall Sir Robert Mansel drew his Sword bid them stand for shame he saw no Enemy to hurt the Parliament nor heard no noise of the fall of the Parliament-House but some of them hastened by Water from Westminster and carryed the Alarm into London which occasioned so great a resort of People in multitudes to Westminster to save the Parliament and one Regiment of Trained-Bands Commanded by Colonel Manwaring upon beat of Drum were instantly Armed and marched as far as Covent-Garden beyond their Liberties to secure the Parliament but finding the Alarm false they returned again The same day the Commons passed the Bill for the continuance of the present Parliament and carried the same up to the Lords The House of Commons commanded all their Members to attend the House and not to depart the Town The next day the Committee appointed to joyn with the Lords for taking Examinations concerning the Plot did acquaint the House that 6 or 8 of the chief Conspirators were fled of which Mr. Henry Iermin and Mr. Henry Piercy Members of the House were two and that they were gone towards Portsmouth Upon which Report present Information came that the Queen was preparing to go to Portsmouth thereupon both Houses had a Conference and agreed to move Her Majesty to stay Her journey for the security of Her Person Her Majesty not knowing what danger she might be exposed to in those parts In the mean time One Lord and Two Commoners were dispatch'd to Portsmouth with private Instructions to propose certain Queries to the Governor there and to take further care for the security of the Place and Haven of such Importance and they took an Oath of Secresie as those Lords and Commons had done who were appointed to examine the Plot. His Majesty was desired by both Houses to issue out a Proclamation for the calling in Mr. Peircy and Mr. Iermin within a time limited which was accordingly granted And the Lords were desired by the Commons to hasten the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford To prevent further discontents in the Army this Letter was sent by Order to Sir Iacob Ashly and Sir Iohn Coniers to be communicated to the Army in the North. WHereas there hath been just cause of jealousie that there hath been some secret Attempt and Practises to infuse into the Army a mistake of this Parliament to some dangerous intent and purpose againk this State and that now the matter is grown to strong presumption upon further discoveries and by reason that some of those which were suspected to have been active therein are fled upon the first stirring thereof before ever they were once named It pleaseth this House to Declare That notwithstanding they intend to search into the bottom of this Conspiracy yet purposing to proceed especially against the principal Actors therein this House hath resolved whereunto the House of Peers hath
9 Free Conference concerning the said Articles 9 A select Committee agreed upon for the Examination of Witnesses concerning him 10 Members of both Houses to be examined concerning him 14 15 16 Parliament of Ireland their Petition to the King against him 15 Sir George Ratcliffe not to speak with him 15 Scotch Commissioners to bring in their charge and Proofs against him 18 See the Charge 769 Conference to Sequester him from his Offices 20 Debate about admitting him Council at his Trial 21 His Answer read containing 200 sheets of Paper 22 Abstract of his Answer to the 28 Articles 22 unto 30 The Evidence against him to be managed by a Committee of the House of Commons 32 No Replication to be put in unto his Answer ibid. The Commons aver the Charge against him and will manage the Evidence by Members of their own the Names of the Members to that purpose appointed 33 A Committee of 48 of the Commons appointed to meet a Committee of 24 of the Lords at a free Conference concerning his Tryal 33 Conference as to place of Tryal Persons present Council and management of Evidence against him 34 unto 37 Protestation entred in the Lords House denying that they did approve of his raising Money in Yorkshire 37 38 Resolved that the Commons be present as a Committee of the whole House at his Tryal c. 38 Some Members appointed to view the place for his Trial 39 His Petition to examine some Members of this House read 40 The manner of his coming to his Tryal in Westminster-Hall 41 The manner of bringing him into the Hall the Ax not being suffered to be carried before him till after Tryal 41 Suffrages in matters criminal declined to be given by the Bishops entring their Protestation c 41 The House to meet at Two in the afternoon constantly during the Tryal 42 His Exceptions and frequent Adjournment of the Lords House occasioned thereby with other unnecessary delays reported how to prevent the same 43 A Peremptory day to be appointed for him to conclude his Tryal 44 Both Houses agree that if the Earl come not to morrow the Commons may sum up their Evidence and conclude 45. Resolved by the Lords that to morrow be recollect his Evidence which being done the Managers are to state theirs 47 The Act of Attainder read a Second time and referred to a Committee of the whole House ibid. The Council appointed by the Lords to be here to morrow morning concerning matter of Law 47 Resolved that it is sufficiently proved that he hath endeavoured to subvert the antient and Fundamental Laws of the Realms of England Scotland and Ireland and to introduce Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government against Law 48 Lord High Steward his Speech unto him the first day of Tryal 101 The Impeachment against him read 101 The-Speech Introductive of Mr. Pym concerning the Preamble to his Answer 102 Lord Digby's Speech to the Bill of Attainder 50 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exception taken Interlocutory Passages Defence and Reply 109 c. Sentence against the Lord Montnorris read 187 Some Interlocutory Passages and Speeches in the Petition of Right made by him in Parliament much notice thereof being taken by the Court 763 His Confinement in Kent for refusing Lone-Money 763 Complained of at Court for frequenting Archbishop Abbots Table with Sir Dudly Digs c. 764 Sentence against the Lord Montnorris read 187 Earl of Straffords Summary Account of his Evidence 633 to 660 The Speech of Mr. Pym thereupon 661 to 674 Mr. Glyn's Reply to the Earls Summary of his Evidenee 706 to 733 King's Speech in favour of the Earl 734 The Earls Letter to him to set His Majesties Conscience at Liberty 743 Concerning an endeavour for the Earl to escape out of the Tower 746 Sir John Suckling voted Guilty of Treason 754 The Earl brought to the Scaffold his Speech then 759 Copy of the Paper containing the heads of his last Speech written with his own Hand and left on the Scaffold 760 He desires before he dies to speak with the Archbishop of Canterbury but refused 762 He sees the Archbishop the next morning at his window as he was going to the Scaffold and desires his Blessing 762 He went to the Scaffold more like a General at the Head of an Army after obtaining Conquest in Battel than like a man going to execution by Death 762 His Instructions to his Son in Writing ibid. A Description of his Person and an account of the Noble Relations to his Family 772 A brief Account of his Secretary Mr. Slingsby and of his death by having his Legs cut off above the knees 773 His Letter to his Secretary before his death 774 The King's Reflections upon the Earls death 775 T. TAx imposed on the Subjects see Art 27 598 Tobacco made a Monopoly see Art 12. 402 Westminster-Hall the place of Tryal appointed to be viewed by Members 39 The fitness thereof reported by Sir John Culpeper ibid. The First day of Tryal March 22. 1640. 101 102 c. The manner of his coming to Tryal 41 U ULster the place of Rendezvous for the Irish Army in fight of Scotland 769 Ungirding of the Scotch Army 770 W SIr Christopher Wandesford made Lord Deputy of Ireland by the Earl 769 Warrant given to Officers of the Ecclesiastical Courts to Attach and commit persons see Art 9. 236 Warrant produced 237. Sir Richard Weston Lord Treasurer first courted the Earl after the Dissolution of the Parliament 4 Car. 1. 768 Sir Iohn Winter to be removed from Court 42 Some Lords desired to be made use of as Witnesses 49 Earl of Worcester and his Sons Commission for levying of Forces to be drawn into the charge of the Earl of Strafford 19 Words spoken tending to the bringing of the Irish Army into England 46 725 Words wherewith the Earl was charged in several Articles of Impeachment see Art FINIS See Historical Collections the First Part. Pa. 500. Resolved to Accuse the E. of strafford of High Treason Report of the Message of High Treason Message of Sequestration of E. of Strafford The Lord Keeper to the E. of Strafford Message from the Lords Conference that Ports of Ireland shall be open Committee how to send for Sir George Ratcliff Mr. Speaker to sit at the Grand Committee for Irish Affairs Irish Affairs Committee concerning the Earl of Strafford Resolutions thereupon Sir Robert King to be sent for Expedition Mr. Treasurer Reports the Message from the King No Member to visit the Earl of Strafford without leave Message to the Lords for a Committee to examine Witnesses Approbation of the Lords Petitioners for a Parliament Petition to be Entred Speedy examinations against the Earl of Strafford by Members of both Houses Committee to search Attainders Report Irish Remonstrance Book of Petitions sent for over Warrants for Taxes upon Tobacco Entries of Impositions Articles against the Earl of Strafford Articles to be engrossed Conference concerning the Earl of Strafford's Articles
Straffords Defence Lord Cottington a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Cottington a Witness E. of Strafford Lord Cottington a Witness Sir Arthur Ingram a Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Lord Dillon a Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard's Reply Article XII Charge Mr. Maynard Proclamation Proclamation Mr. Maynard Mr. Crosby Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Allen. Winness Mr. Welsh Witness Mr. Gough Witness Patrick Gough Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard Mr. Glyn. Mr. Blunkett Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Mr. Crosby Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynard Mr. Gibson Mr. Slings by E. of Strafford Lord Robert Dillon E. of Strafford Mr. Gibson Mr. Maynard Mr. Gibson Article XIII Charge Benjamin Croky Witness Sir Iohn Clotworthy Witness E. of Strafford L. Rainalaugh Sir Iohn Clotworthy Witness L. Rainalaugh Witness Mr. Gough Witness Mr. Firzgarret Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynard Mr. Glyn. Article XV. Charge Mr. Palmer Mr. Savill Witness Mr. Glyn. Mr. Savill Mr. Palmer Mr. Savill Mr. Maynard L. Strafford Mr. Palmer Mr. Pym. Mr. Savill Witness Mr. Palmer L. Steward Mr. Palmer Mr. Savill Gough Witness Richard Welsh Witness Patrick Cleare Witness Nicholas Ardah Witness Berne Witness Mr. Palmer Mr. Maynard Mr. Kennedy Mr. Palmer Mr. Little Witness Mr. Palmer Mr. Maynard Lord Strafford Lord Rana laugh Mr. Palmer Mr. Palmer E. of Strafford Defence Lord Dillon Mr. Palmer E. of Strafford Lord Dillon Tyrringham Conley Witness Henry Dillon Tyrringham Ranailaugh Strafford Palmer E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Mr. Palmer Mr. Pym. Mr. Palmer E. of Strafford Ardah Witness Savill Witness Dillon Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Palmer Reply Sir Arthur Tyrringham Article XVI Charge Iohn Loftus Witness Wade Witness Lorky Witness Richard Wade Witness Mr. Palmer Lord Roche Witness E. of Strafford Nash Witness Parry Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Palmer Afterwards His Majesties Attorney-General Linch Witness Fitz-gerard Witness Mr. Palmer E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Mr. Riley Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Ralton E. of Strafford Mr. Gibson Dillon Wit ness Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynard E. of Strafford Mr. Wether inge Ralton E. of Strafford Slingsby Witness Little Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Palmers Reply Mr. Palmer Torky Witness E. of Strafford E. of Strafford Richard Wade Witness Patrick Gough Witness Mr. Glyn. Article XIX Charge Mr. Maynard Mr. Maxwel Mr. Whitlock Sir Iohn Clotworthy Witness Mr. Whitlock Mr. Salmon Witness Iohn Loftus Witness Mr. Whitlock Defence E. of Strafford Robert Lord Dillon Witness Manwaring Sir Adam Loftus Witness Maynard Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Slingsby Witness Trueman Witness Little Witness Ralton Sir Philip Manwaring Witness Robert Lord Dillon Witness Sir Adam Loftus Witness Sir Philip Manwaring Witness Whitlock's Reply Mr. Whitlock Mr. Maynard Stroud E. of Strafford Stroud E. of Strafford Article XX. Charge Article XXI Charge Article XXII Charge Artic. XXIII Charge Art XXIV Charge L. High Steward Whitlock E. of Strafford Whitlock Maynard L. H. Steward Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock E. of Traquair Mr. Whitlock E. of Traquair Mr. Palmer Mr. Maynard E. of Strafford E. of Traquair E. of Strafford L. Digby Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Traquair Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford L. H. Steward E. of Morton Mr. Whitlock Mr. Whitlock E. of Traquair Witness Mr. Glyn. Mr. Whitlock Sir Henry Vane Witness Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock E. of Northumberland Witness Bish. of London Witness Mr. Barnewell Witness Mr. Whitlock Archbishop of Armagh Witness L. Conway Witness Sir Henry Vane Witness Mr. Whitlock Sir Ro. King Witness L. Ranalaugh Witness L. Ranalaugh Witness Mr. Whitlock Mr. Maynard Sir Thomas Barrington Witness King Witness Ranalaugh Witness Mr. Whitlock Sir Tho. German Witness E. of Bristol Witness E. of Holland Witness Mr. Whitlock Sir Henry Vane Witness Mr. Whitlock E. of Clare L. H. Steward Mr. Maynard Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. E. of Strafford Slingsby Witness E. of Strafford Marquis Hamilton Witness Mr. Slingsby Witness Sir George Wentworth Mr. Maynard E. of Strafford L. Treasurer Witness Mr. Maynard L. Treasurer Witness L. Cottington Mr. Maynard L. Cottington Mr. Maynard L. Cottington Marq. Hamilton Witness E. of Strafford M. Hamilton L. Goring Witness Mr. German Witness Mr. Glyn. L. Treasurer L. Cottington E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock's Reply L. Conway Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynard Mr. Glynn L. Cottington Mr. Glynn Mr. Pym. Artic. XXV Charge Mr. Maynard L. Treasurer Tho. Wiseman Witness Tho. Wiseman Witness E. of Berkshire Garaway Lord Mayor of London E. of Strafford Garaway Defence of the E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Art XXVI Charge Robert Edwards Witness Palmer Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynard Mr. Henley Witness E. of Straffords Defence I. Cottington Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Maynards Reply Mr. Whitlock Mr. Strowd Garaway Witness Mr. Glyn. Mr. Strowde Art XXVII Charge Mr. Maynard Sir Hugh Cholmeley Witness Sir Henry Cholmley Witness Hotham Witness Stapleton Witness L. Wharton Witness Pennyman 〈◊〉 Mr. Maynard Griffin Witness Lord Clare Mr. Glyn. Mr. Strickland Witness Burroughes Witness Cholmeley Witness Dowsen Witness Pierson Witness Ingram Witness Griffin Witness Cholmley Witness Mr. Maynard E. of Straffords Defence Neale Witness Osborne Witness Mr. Maynard Pennyman Witness E. of Strafford L. Wharton L. Wharton Pennyman Witness Mr. Maynard Mr. Glynn Mr. Maynard E. Strafford Pennyman Witness Savill Witness Pennyman Witness Osborne Witness Savill Witness Rhodes Witness Danby Witness Mr. Maynard Wentworth Witness E. of Strafford Strickland Witness Edw. Osborne Wil. Pennyman E. of Strafford Mr. Maynard Cholmeley Witness E. of Strafford Mr. Glyn. Mr. Whitlock E. of Strafford Mr. Whitlock Mr. Maynard Mr. Glyn. Mr. Maynard Mr. Glyn. Object Answ. Object Answ. Owen ' s Case of Sandwich in Kent The House of Commons Adjourned upon this Speech of the Kings in some dissatisfaction May the 3. the Commons having a Plot discovered fall into the Debate thereof And the same day Resolve upon a Protestation The Preamble to the Protestation The Commons send a Message to the Lords concerning the Plot. And desire a Select Committee to take Examinations upon Oath And that no Servant of the King or Queens Majesty departs the Kingdom till they be examined And sent a Letter to the Army to assure them of the Parliaments care of them The Commons past several Resolves These Resolves and the Protestation commuicated to the Lords Mr. Hollis his Speech in a Message to the Lords about the Plot. Multitudes of people flock to Westminster crying Iustice Iustice c. The people assemble again in multitudes which the Lords communicate to the Commons at a Conference And communicates the Petition of the multitude as followeth Desiring Justice and Execution upon the Earl of Strafford To be secured against Plots And against a Garrison newly put into the Tower To make way forth Earl of Straffords escape The Lords send Six Peers to the Tower to inquire of this business The Lieutenant said he had His Majesties Command to receive 100 men The Lords at the Conference declared That the Tumults hindred their proceeding upon the Bill of Attainder The Lords took the Protestation And the multitudes departed A Bill for the continuance of the present Parliament twice read The Earl of Straffords Letter to the King A great Hubbub in the City Conspirators fled The Queen desigas to goe to Portsmouth Proclamation to call in the Conspirators A Letter to prevent the design to engage the Army against the Parliament sent to Sir Iacob Ashly and Sir Iohn Conyers The Plot consisted of thre heads Capt. Bilingsly his Examination that he had Orders to get 100 men into the Tower The Earl expostulates about his escape Examination of three Witnesses more as as to the Earls escape Col Gorings examination about the Plot. Mr. Peircy his better against the Plot. Father Philips his Letter against the Parliament Earl of Holland General of the Army Father Philips to be sent for He appears Several Votes against Ar. Peircy about the Plot. Barkley and O-Neal are fled Mr. Peircy charged with High Treason A Vote to vindicate Col. Goring Bill of Attainder and for continuance of the Parliament passed Message to the Lords to move the King for His Consent to pass the Bill of Attainder To Press Mariners The King Judges and Bishops consult about Strafford The King gives Warrant for a Commission to give His Assent to the Bill for execution of the Earl of Strafford The Royal Assent given this day and the Bill passed The King consents that the Irish Army should be instantly disbanded Thanks returned to His Majesty The Earl of Strafford's Petition to the House of Peers The Bill of Attainder * This Proviso hath occasioned the common discourse and opinion that this Judgment against the Earl was Enacted never to be drawn into President The Kings Letter on behalf of the Earl of Strafford Twelve Lords sent to the King QueenMother The Earl of Strafford brought to the Scaffold His Speech His Majestys Propositions tothe House of Commons touching Supply See page in the First Part of Historical Collections The Charge of the Scotch Commissioners presented to the Parliament The description of his Person and Family Mr. Slingsby's Interment His Extraction and Education
give Notice of it to this House Sir George Ratcliff being already sent for by Order of this House upon an Information of High Treason Resolved upon the Question That the Earl of Craford's Troop and those other Officers in the Army that go under the Name of Reformadoes are unnecessary Charge and fit to be spared and that my Lord General be moved by Message from this House thereunto Resolved That those Companies or other Officers that shall be thus Casheer'd by the Lord General shall be paid to the Eighth of December next Tuesday December 1. 1640. A Message from the Lords by Baron Trevor and Iudge Bartley The Lords have sent Us to this House to desire a present Conference in the Painted Chamber with the same Committee that was concerning the matter of the free Conference Yesterday Answer returned by the same Messengers This House has taken into Consideration the Message of the Lords and they return this Answer That they will give a meeting presently as is desired Mr. Pym Reports from the Conference this day That the Lords Committee with whom we had a free Conference Yesterday took the Matter into Consideration and their Resolution is That such Members of the House of Commons as they shall make choice of shall be present from time to time at the preparatory Examinations concerning the Earl of Strafford The Lord Keeper expected we should say something We told them We had no Warrant for a Conference was desired concerning the matter of free Conference and that a free Conference was not desired the Question they would have been satisfied in was Whether we did intend to have the Examinations taken publick in the House or by a private Committee I answered We had no Commission for a free Conference The same Committee that were appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford are to be present at the Preparatory Examinations of Witnesses before the Lords to present such Questions unto the Lords as they shall think fit thereupon and after a full Examination to present the whole state of the business to this House A Message to be sent to the Lords to acquaint them that the House is ready by some Members of this House to present divers Witnesses to be examined and such questions as they shall desire that those Witnesses so propounded by them may be all examined one after another with speed and secresie Thursday morning is peremptorily appointed for Sir George Ratcliff to appear here and if he come not then a Message is to be sent to the Lords to desire them to move His Majesty for a Proclamation to be ordered against him to bring him in Power is given to the Committee that is to be present at the preparatory Examination of Witnesses before the Lords to summon such Witnesses to be examined to morrow as they shall think fit Mr. Maynard's Report from the Conference Yesterday The Lords said They had taken the Message into Consideration sent by Mr. Pym some things were Resolved others not and for that purpose desired a free Conference whereas we did desire to examine some Members of this House they were ready to examine them when we should require They answered That the Peers of their House that shall be desired and all the Assistants of that House when they shall be thereunto required shall be examined upon Oath and next for the time and secresie They said they should be speedily examined and Examinations secretly kept Thursday December 3. 1640. A Message brought from the Lords by my Lord Chief Justice Littleton and Judge Bartley That according to a desire of this House by a late Message they have deputed certain of their Members to take the Examination of Witnesses in the Case of the Earl of Strafford which they will be ready to perform in the presence of such Members of this House as shall be deputed to that purpose Ordered That the Earl of Kildares Petition presented to the Grand Committee for Irish Affairs be referred to the Sub-Committee for those Affairs Friday December 4. 1640. Ordered That those Members of this House that be appointed to be present at the preparatory Examinations before the Lords be required to declare that by their Duty they owe to this House they are obliged to keep all those Examinations secret Those Eight appointed for that Service did make all of them Protestations to that purpose Ordered That those Eight or any Four of them may be present at the preparatory Examinations before the Lords Mr. Selden Mr. Dutton Mr. Crew Sir Peter Hayman Sir Harbottle Grimston Sir Henry Anderson Sir Nevil Poole Sir Thomas Barrington Saturday The Petition of Richard Heaton and Lyonell Farrington were read and Farrington called in did avow his Petition the Petitions are referred to the Committee appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford to make use of it if they shall see Cause December 26th 1640. Ordered That the Committee appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford shall have Power to examine Witnesses concerning Sir George Ratcliff and to prepare a Charge against him and to present it to this House Tuesday December 29th 1640. The Articles against Sir George Ratcliff Read Resolved upon the Question That this House shall Accuse Sir George Ratcliff Knight of High Treason in the Name of all the Commons of England That these Articles thus Read shall be the Ground of this Accusation That a Message shall be sent forthwith to the Lords to Accuse Sir George Ratcliff Knight of High Treason in the Name of this House and of all the Commons of England and that very speedily they will bring Articles against him Resolved upon the Question That the Articles prepared by the Committee against Sir George Ratcliff and Read here shall be engrossed against to morrow to be sent to the Lords as a Charge against him A Message sent from the Lords by the Master of the Rolls and Judge Reeves The Lords have Commanded Us to say to You That whereas there came a Message from this House to Accuse Sir George Ratcliff of High Treason They would know Whether they should presently take care to make safe his Person Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration and will forthwith return them Answer by Messengers of their own Mr. Pym went up to the Lords to acquaint them that this day the House of Commons gave no Instructions to their former Messengers concerning the Committing of Sir George Ratcliff because his Person is already in safe Custody in the Gate-house and they intended to have acquainted their Lordships with it when they had produced the Articles against him which would have been very shortly but since they are prevented by their Lordships they refer what to do in it to their Lordships Mr. Pym brings Answer from the Lords of his Message That concerning
were constrained for the Preservation of the Land to stay the Bullion they might thank themselves and the City receiving so great a benefit by Residing amongst them they made but an unthankful acknowledgment in such a Straight to refuse the Loan of that Sum. The Officers of the Mint came to the Council-Board and the Earl then shewed a Letter he received from the Earl of Leicester wherein was related That the Cardinal had appointed Commissioners to go into the Merchants houses at Paris to peruse their Shop Books and Accompts and to Cess every man according to his Ability towards the payment of the King's Army and then said That it was but just for Us here in England to bless God for being under a King which could not think upon such a Pressing upon the People But the words in the Article or words to any such intent he did not speak and cannot sufficiently bemoan himself to have been in all his words so ill understood or so untruly Reported as he hath been To the 27th he saith He perswaded the Gentry of that Country to allow the Trained-Band a months Pay which they yielded and His Majesty graciously accepted It was by Council of War His Majesty being present thought fit the Trained-Bands should return save the two Regiments under the Command of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Thomas Danby It was assented unto by His Majesty and the great Council of the Peers then Assembled That those spared should Contribute and the said Earl was Commanded by them to see it done which was done accordingly by Warrants from him and from his Deputy-Lieutenants which was much less Charge to the Countries than otherwise and denies the other particular in the Article mentioned To the 28th he saith He was Lieutenant-General to the Earl of Northumberland about the 24th of August of 10 or 12000 Foot and 2000 Horse being at New-Castle under the Command of the Lord Conway and Sir Iacob Ashley and the rest of the Army at York the said Earl went from London and the 26th of August notwithstanding his extream weakness and came to York and having received a Letter from Sir Iacob Ashley that New-Castle was Fortified and that they must be Infamous Beasts to lose it and that it was fully Secured and being acquainted with several Dispatches sent by Mr. Secretary Vane by His Majesties Directions to the Lord Conway General of the Horse to oppose the Passage of the Scots over the River of Tyne the one dated 22. Augusti the other 23. Augusti another 24. Augusti another 26. Augusti the substance of which Letters are particularly mentioned in the Answer to this Article and to the same Letters the said Earl referreth himself The said Earl upon sight of this and Sir Iacob Ashley's Letter had reason to believe that all fitting preparation was made and then understanding that if the Scotish Army should pass the River not only New-Castle altogether Unfortified on the South part would be lost but the said Army of 11000 Foot and 2000 Horse endangered and hearing that the Scotish Army were distresied for want of Victuals and knowing the advantage that was in opposing the Passage of such a River Hereupon the said Earl by a Letter dated the 27th of August advised the Lord Conway with all the Horse and at least 8000 Foot and all the Cannon to March and Fight with them upon the passage of the River at which time the said Earl had no Charge of the Army but the truth is the Lord Conway having not with him all the Horse and not above 1500 Foot and only some part of the Cannon was in a posture to fight for the passage before the said Letter of advice came which he received not half an hour before the Fight began and proceeded according to his own judgment and His Majesties said general Direction and afterwards that is about the 30th of August and not before the said Earl took upon him the Charge of the Army at Darlington and brought it to York to be supplied with Necessaries that they wanted and purposed to have staid where they were quartered But hearing from many hands that there was a purpose to question him in Parliament and His Majesty having given him Liberty of staying there or coming away he left the Charge of the Army with the Lord Conway and other Officers as His Majesty had directed and came to London on Monday the 9th and the 11th of November was put under Restraint and so hath ever since remained And saith That the Town of New-Castle was no way under his Care and as to other matters whereto by Law he ought to answer and hath not answered he saith He is not Guilty of them or any of them in such manner and form as in the said Article is expressed and humbly prayeth a convenient time for making his Proofs and to justifie and maintain his Actions in Ireland by sight of His Majesties Warrants Records and Witnesses in that Kingdom and that if any mistake be in this Answer it may be amended And this the said Earl hopeth that upon equal Construction of his Words and Actions he shall appear free from any great and hainous Offences wherewith he is Charged and howsoever it shall please God to dispose of him he shall ever pray that by their Lordships great Wisdoms and Prudence the Affections of His Majesty and Duty of His Subjects may this Parliament be so surely knit together as may by God's blessing lastingly tend to the Prosperity and Flourishing Estate both of King and People Friday February 26th 1640. Ordered That the same Committee that was formerly appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl of Strafford with the Addition of Mr. Palmer Mr. Selden Mr. Whitlock and Mr. Maynard do consider of the Articles and further Impeachmment of Thomas Earl of Strafford by the Commons and likewise the said Earl's Answer to those Articles and further Impeachment And they are likewise to consider of the Proofs and how the Witnesses may conveniently be brought together to give their Testimony Viva Voce in the business and they are to proceed in the secretest and speediest way they can for the advantage of the business in preparing it for a Trial and further Proceedings and they have Power to send for Persons Witnesses Papers Records or any thing else that they in their Judgments shall conceive fit or may conduce to the Service and they are to meet this Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the Treasury Chamber The four Lawyers that were added to the Earl of Strafford's Committee made their Protestation of Secrecy openly in the House Sir George Wentworth upon his Protestation made to the House to keep secret all such Matters as passed this day had leave to resort to his Brother the Earl of Strafford but all the other Members of this House are restrained from resorting unto him without leave first obtained Saturday February 27th 1640. Mr. Whitlock Reports from the
come to a Resolution so soon as to come to their Lordships for a Conference this Afternoon If they can they Resolve to sit this Afternoon and desire their Lordships to do the like if it may stand with their Conveniency Mr. Peard brings Answer That their Lordships will meet at Four of the Clock Resolved upon the Question That a Committee of the whole House shall hear the Earl of Strafford's Counsel in Westminster-Hall concerning matter of Law Ordered That the House do this Afternoon take the Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford into further Consideration The Committee is to retire presently into the Committee-Chamber to prepare Heads for a Conference to be desired with the Lords concerning the further Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford Mr. Maynard Reports the Heads of this Conference to this effect 1. To take Notice of their Lordships Resolution to hear the Earl of Strafford's Council in matter of Law 2. To put their Lordships in mind of the saving of this House in that Point and further to tell them That if after his Council shall be heard any doubt shall remain with their Lordships they shall be ready to satisfie them in due time 3. That to this end they do intend to send a Committee of this House only to hear what his Council shall say These Particulars raised some Debate in the House and being put to the Question the House was divided upon it but yet after the Tellers were appointed the Noes yielded to the Yeas without telling 4. To desire that their Lordships will be pleased to use all Expedition to put an end to this Trial as much as in Justice may be 5. To desire a continuance of their Care that the Counsel under colour of speaking to the matter of Law ravel not into the matter of Fact Sir Robert Harly went up to the Lords to desire a free Conference with their Lordships by a Committee of both Houses upon the free Conference had Yesterday with their Lordships concerning the further Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford Sir Robert Harly brings Answer That their Lordships will give a present meeting as is desired The Committee that was appointed to prepare Heads for the Conference concerning the further Proceedings against the Earl of Strafford are to manage this Conference and to Report it if occasion be Ordered That the Committee formerly appointed to preserve places for the Committee of the whole House in Westminster-Hall do apply their Endeavours in that Service A Message from the Lords by Justice Foster and Justice Heath That the Lords have sent this Message that they will be set to morrow at ten in the Forenoon in Westminster-Hall to hear the Earl of Strafford's Council in matter of Law Saturday April 17th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That the House be Resolved into a Grand Committee to take into further Consideration the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Speaker left the Chair Mr. Peard was called to the Chair of the Grand Committee and Mr. Speaker again assumed the Chair Ordered That the Debate of the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford be resumed on Monday morning at Seven of the Clock Monday April 19th 1641. Ordered That after the Conference shall be ended the House shall again be Resolved into a Committee to resume the farther Debate of the Earl of Strafford and all the Members are required to return from the Conference to the House Resolved upon the Question That the endeavour of Thomas Earl of Strafford to subvert the Ancient and Fundamental Laws of the Realm of England and Ireland and to Introduce an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government against Law in both these Kingdoms is High Treason The Lord Digbye's Speech in the House of Commons to the Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford April 21. 1641. Mr. Speaker We are now upon the Point of giving as much as in Us lies the Final Sentence unto Death or Life on a great Minister of State and Peer of this Kingdom Thomas Earl of Strafford a Name of hatred in the present Age by his Practices and fit to be made a Terrour to future Ages by his Punishment I have had the Honour to be Imployed by the House in this great business from the first hour that it was taken into Consideration It was matter of great Trust and I will say with confidence that I have served the House in it both with Industry according to my ability and with most exact Faithfulness and Secrecy And as I have hitherto discharged my Duty to this House and to my Country in the Progress of this Great Cause so I trust I shall do now in the last period of it to God and to a good Conscience I do wish the peace of that unto my self and the blessings of Almighty God to me and my Posterity according as my judgment on the life of this man shall be consonant with my heart and the best of my understanding in all Integrity I know well Mr. Speaker that by some things I have said of late whilst this Bill was in agitation I have raised some prejudices upon me in the Cause Yea some I thank them for their plain dealing have been so free as to tell me that I suffered much by the backwardness I have shewn in this Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford against whom I had been formerly so keen and so active Mr. Speaker I beg of you and the rest but a suspension of Judgment concerning me till I have opened my heart unto you freely and clearly in this business Truly Sir I am still the same in my Opinions and Affections as unto the Earl of Strafford I confidently believe him the most dangerous Minister the most insupportable to free Subjects that can be charactared I believe his Practices in themselves have been as High as Tyrannical as any Subject ever ventured on and the malignity of them are hugely aggravated by those rare abilities of his whereof God hath given him the use but the Devil the application in a word I believe him still that grand Apostate to the Common-wealth who must not expect to be pardoned in this World till he be dispatched to the other And yet let me tell you Mr. Speaker my hand must not be to that dispatch I protest as my Conscience stands informed I had rather it were off Let me unfold unto you the mystery Mr. Speaker I will not dwell much upon justifying unto you my seeming variance at this time from what I was formerly but by putting you in mind of the difference between Prosecutors and Judges How misbecoming that fervour would be in a Judge which perhaps was commendable in a Prosecutor Judges we are now and must put on another Personage It is honest and noble to be earnest in order to the discovery of Truth but when that hath been brought as far as it can to light our judgment thereupon ought to be calm and cautious In prosecution upon
Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration and is Resolved to give a meeting at the time and place as is appointed Wednesday April 28th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That Mr. Solicitor St. Iohn have Power to send for such Records as he shall think needful for that Service committed unto him for maintaining the Point of Law in the Case of the Earl of Strafford The same Committee as was formerly appointed to keep the Doors at Westminster-Hall is appointed to keep the Doors again to morrow Mr. Solicitor and Mr. Maynard and Mr. Glyn appointed as Assistants unto him are to sit in the most convenient places in the middle of the lower Rank Mr. Edward Hide went up to the Lords with this Message to acquaint their Lordships That the House hath received such Information as hath moved some Fears in them that the Earl of Strafford may have a design to Escape that he hath Ships at Sea at Command and that the Guards about him are weak therefore to desire their Lordships he may be a close Prisoner and the Guards strengthened Mr. Hide brings this Answer That their Lordships had heretofore given Directions to the Lieutenant of the Tower that he should be close Prisoner and take Care for a stronger Guard and will take it into Examination and give Directions as is desired Friday April 30th 1641. Post Merid. Ordered That Mr. Solicitor be required from this House to bring in a particular Copy of his Argument Yesterday in Westminster-Hall and likewise that Mr. Pym bring him a Copy of the Speeches spoken by him in Westminster-Hall both at the beginning and latter end of the Trial of the Earl of Strafford A Copy of the Paper posted up at the Corner of the Wall of Sir William Bronkard's House in the Old Palace-Yard in Westminster declaring the following Names to be Enemies of Iustice. The Lord Digby Lord Compton Lord Buckhurst Sir Robert Hatton Sir Thomas Fanshaw Sir Edward Alford Nicholas Slanning Sir Thomas Danby Sir George Wentworth Sir Peter Wentworth Sir Fred. Conwallis Sir William Carnaby Sir Richard Winn Sir Gervas Cliffton Sir William Withrington Sir William Pennyman Sir Patrick Carwin Sir Richard Lee Sir Henry Slingsby Sir William Portman Mr. Gervas Hollis Mr. Sydney Godolphin Mr. Cook Mr. Coventry Mr. Kirton Mr. Pollard Mr. Price Mr. Trevanyon Mr. Ieane Mr. Edgcombe Mr. Ben. Weston Mr. Selden Mr. Alford Mr. Loyd Mr. Herbert Captain Digby Serjeant Hyde Mr. Tayler Mr. Richard Weston Mr. Griffith Mr. Scawen Mr. Bridgman Mr. Fettyplace Doctor Turner Captain Charles Price Doctor Parry a Civilian Mr. Richard Arundel Mr. Newport Mr. Nowell Mr. Chichley Mr. Mallory Mr. Porter Mr. White Secretary to E. D. Mr. Warwick It is a Presumption that these Names were thus Posted up by some of those who came in multitudes to the Parliament House but he that took the List of their Names as Mr. Elsing told the Author was one Mr. W who Served for some Borough in the County of Wilts and who did not afterwards go to the King at Oxford in time of War though his Wife did but he staid in the Parliament to do what friendly Office he could for the King and his Party It is probable he gave a Copy of those Names to some Friends not intending to have the same made Publick in that manner The Name of one Member of the House that was in the List who is omitted in this viz. Sir Iohn Strangwayes who was not then in Town but Sir Iohn after his Return out of Dorsetshire complained that his Name was Posted up amongst others and moved that the business might be Examined how the List came abroad and was made Publick as aforesaid he being then in the Country Wednesday May 5th 1641. Mr. Solicitor is appointed to bring in his Argument he made in Westminster-Hall at the Trial of the Earl of Strafford on Monday last A Message from the Lords by Judge Reeves and Judge Forster That they give this House Thanks for sitting so long that they are still in Debate of the Bill against the Earl of Strafford so that this Night they cannot be ready for a Conference Saturday May 8th 1641. A Message from the Lords by Judge Forster and Judge Heath That the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford is passed their House without any Alteration or Amendments Ordered That a Message be sent to the Lords to desire a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Hotham is to go up with this Message Mr. Pym is to manage this Conference the substance whereof is That in regard the Peace of the Kingdom doth much consist in the Execution of the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford to desire their Lordships to move His Majesty as speedily as may be to give His Assent Mr. Hotham brings Answer That the Lords will give a present meeting at a free Conference by a Committee of both Houses as is desired Mr. Pym Reports That he had performed the Command of this House Ordered That this House shall joyn with the Lords to attend His Majesty to appoint a time when He would be pleased to set concerning His Assent to the Bill of Attainder of Thomas Earl of Strafford Mr. Pym brings word That the Lords have sent to His Majesty and this House shall hear from them very speedily A Message from the Lords by Judge Forster and Judge Heath That the Lords appointed by their House attended His Majesty who appointed that both Houses should attend Him at Four of the Clock in the Banqueting-House concerning the Bill of Attainder That they have Passed the Bill concerning the not Dissolving the Parliament Monday May 10th 1641. The Gentleman-Usher of the Black-Rod came to signifie to the House That His Majesties Assent to the Bill of Attainder is now to be given by Commission and that the Lords did expect Mr. Speaker and the House of Commons to come up Articles of the Commons Assembled in Parliament against Thomas Earl of Strafford in Maintenance of their Accusation whereby he stands Charged with High Treason WHereas the said Commons have already Exhibited Articles against the said Earl in haec verba Now the said Commons do further Impeach the said Earl as followeth That is to say I. That the said Earl of Strafford the 21th day of March in the Eighth Year of His Majesties Reign was President of the King's Council in the Northern parts of England That the said Earl being President of the said Council on the 21th of March a Commission under the Great Seal of England with certain Schedules of Instructions thereunto annexed was directed to the said Earl or others the Commissioners therein named whereby among other things Power and Authority is limitted to the said Earl and others the Commissioners therein named to hear and determine all Offences and Misdemeanors Suits Debates Controversies and
by hear-say he was a Member of the House when I had the Honour to serve I heard the expression of Sir George Ratcliffe at that time And the common voice was that he was under restraint but I saw him not Being asked whether there was any other occasion of these words but his said Vote He answered Truly My Lords I can apprehend none 4. Being asked whether he heard Sir George Ratcliffe threaten Sir Pierce Crosby in Parliament He answered I heard Sir Pierce Crosby speaking against a Bill in Parliament and as soon as he had sate down from speaking against the Bill Sir George Ratcliffe said to him That is not Privy-Councellor like or to that purpose I heard him To the point of Sir Pierce Crosbies being sequestred from the Council upon his speaking in Parliament The Lord Ranulagh being sworn was interrogated whether about the 10th year of the King he knew Exception to be taken against Sir Pierce Crosby for delivering his Opinion in Parliament and what proceedings were against him thereupon He answered My Lords to the best of my remembrance Sir Pierce Crosby being a Privy-Councellor in Ireland was charged at the Council-Board for Voting against a Bill that was transmitted by the Lord Deputy and Council and hereupon the Opinion of the Board was asked and by the advice of that Board Sir Pierce Crosby was sequestred from the Council This is as much as I can remember 2. Being asked by whom he was sequestred He answered By the Deputy and the Council 3. Being asked who began the Question He answered My Lord Deputy charged him My Lords I humbly desire that my Lord Ranulagh may be asked whether when things are handled at the Council-Table the Deputy be not the man that propounds them to the Council or no not as a party complaining but as belonging to the duty of his place And how he behaved himself in that business To which the Lord Ranulagh being interrogated Answered It is the constant course for the Deputy to propose the things that be brought to the Board and seldom doth any of the Council propound any thing but the Proposition comes from the Deputy But being further asked on the Committees motion whether this of Sir Pierce Crosbies came to the Board by motion of my Lord alone or that any other moved him in it or conveyed it to him He answered I cannot charge my memory where it had beginning but as I remember My Lord Deputy Wandesford that died last and Mr. Wandsford and Sir George Ratcliffe were movers of it but whether it moved originally from them or from my Lord himself I know not I rather believe it proceeded from my Lord Deputy as being proper for him The Lord Mountnorris sworn and interrogated whether he was present at Council-Table when Sir Pierce Crosby was sequestred from Council-Table and for what Reasons he was sequestred He answers I was then present at Board and he was removed on Complaint made by Sir George Ratcliffe at the Board touching his Voting of a Bill in Parliament And when he said it was not spoken like a Councellor he said he would answer it to him that made him a Councellor That was the effect as I can remember of his Accusation and there were several others that testified the same words that Sir George Ratcliffe accused him of and that was the reason he was sequestred by most Voices at Council-Table though he had many Votes with him And being further asked what my Lord of Straffords Vote was He answered It was for his Sequestration Mr. Nicholas Barnewell sworn Being asked whether for his delivering his Opinion in Parliament Sir George Ratcliffe did ask whether the said Mr. Barnewell's house was capacious to receive 500 men to be laid upon him intimating thereby that he must look for Soldiers to be laid upon him for that reason He answered There was a Debate in the House concerning certain Boroughs sequestred from the House by reason of a Judgment in the Exchequer which the House conceived an Erronious Judgment and were of Opinion that the old Boroughs should be called in I was of that Opinion Sir George Ratcliffe was of another Opinion and would have another question debated And coming out of the House he asked me Will not your House hold Five hundred men I answered you know what my house will hold as well as my self and I smiling at it he answered But it is no laughing matter you shall have 500 men laid on you I desire it may be asked when this was spoken He answered It was in November last and that my Lord of Strafford was not then in the Kingdom Mr. Pym observed That the Spirit of my Lord of Strafford could move in Sir George Ratcliffe wheresoever it was spoken And Mr. Barnewell added it was done in November then last In the next place We shall shew the untruth of that part of my Lord of Straffords Preamble that says The Soldiers in Ireland are disposed with so much contentment to the People that they are no burden to them Mr. Egor was called for a Witness and Sworn Being interrogated whether he knew of any Soldiers Billetted in Dublin whether they were not a Grievance whether that City hath not a special Charter of Exemption He answered May it please Your Lordships the City of Dublin doth bear the Charge of 40 Horse and pays to them 45 l. a month for Billetting which is conceived they should not bear in regard they have a Charter that says Nullus Mareschallus Capiat hospitium intra Civitatem and therefore they conceive it a heavy burden and it is as much as a Subsidy And another part of the City standing in another County pays 10 l. a month so they pay in all 55 l. a month I humbly desire he may be asked whether before my Lord of Straffords time and as long as he can remember The Lord-Deputies Foot-guard and Horse-Companies were not Billetted in Dublin He answered To the Foot-guard when my Lord of Faulkland was there they gave Lodging continually but it was never drawn to matter of money And till now we had never Horse upon us except it were for a month or so In the next place We humbly desire the Remonstrance of the Nobility and the House of Commons in Ireland might be read as Testimonies of my Lord of Straffords Justice I desire to know whether questions are to be asked of matters not contained in the Charge as the Remonstrance is not My Lords The Subverting of the Laws and Corruption in Government and Justice is generally laid in the Charge and he hath answered that he hath administred Justice with Integrity And this we produce to shew That the frontespiece of his Answer is in that part untrue To prove the Truth of the Copy of the Lords Remonstrance now produced the Lord Digby of Ireland was Sworn and he on his Oath said That the Copy
was delivered him at his coming over by the Clerk of the Lords House in Ireland to be brought over hither by Order of the Lords there And the Lord Baltinglasse Deposed That he knew it to be the Clerks hand and they were both present at the Voting of it The same was read bearing date February 22. 1640. The Protestation and Declaration of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament Assembled We desire to apply it to disprove part of the Preamble of my Lord of Straffords Answer I desire my Lord Digby may be asked whether he gave his Vote to this Protestation We produce it not as the Act of any particular man but of the Lords Your Lordships may observe that this is fallen out since my Impeachment of High Treason here And that it is followed by Faction and Correspondence as in time might be made appear if I could undertake it and a strong Conspiracy against me My Lords These words are not to be suffered Charging the House of Commons with Faction Correspondency and Conspiracy We desire Your Lordships Justice in this God forbid I should think there was or could be any thing in that House or any Member of it but that which agrees with Truth and Justice and Equity I must profess to Your Lordships I had no Reflection or Intention either upon the Lords House there or upon the Honourable House of Commons here but upon certain Persons that are not Members of the House here that have Correspondency with them in Ireland that are not Members of the House there We must consult with the House of Commons concerning the prosecution of this Exception to his words and in the mean time we will reserve it to our selves and so we shall proceed We desire the Remonstrance made by the House of Commons in Ireland being deposed unto by Patrick Gough That about February 25. it was delivered him sealed up in a box with other things before his face being called on by the House to be brought to the Committee for Irish affairs in England may be read Which Remonstrance was read accordingly Your Lordships may observe That my Lord of Straffords glorious Declaration of his own Merits was confuted by the whole Parliament and that the whole sum of the Charge is confirmed by the Testimony of all Ireland To the point of Revenue of Ireland for the contradicting of my Lord of Straffords Affirmation That Ireland supporteth its own Charge Sir Edward Warder produced and Sworn was interrogated when the last money was sent out of this Kingdom for support of His Majesties Affairs of Ireland He answered The last money sent over for payment of the Army there was in the Term of Easter 1621. and it was 10000 l. in full of 20000 l. for one whole years charge beginning the first of April 1619. and ending the last of March following which was 17 Iac. Being interrogated whether since that time the State here hath been actually charged with the Affairs of Ireland He answered Nothing hath been issued out of the Receipt of His Majesties Exchequer for the Maintenance of Ireland since this time only such moneys as have been lately issued for the Army and what hath been issued to the Treasurer of the Navy and the Officers of it for the maintaining of Ships on the Coast but otherwise no money hath been issued as a constant setled thing out of the Receipt of His Majesties Exchequer for any thing arising since the last of March 1620. I desire he may be asked what was since issued for the Navy We admit that the Charge of the Navy continued divers years after yet a few years before my Lord of Straffords Government it was taken off too The Manager did so open it and Sir Edward Warder did in effect set it forth so Therefore that question was waved Sir Robert Pye produced and Sworn to that point of Revenue and being interrogated to the same purpose Answered No money hath issued out of the Receipt but as Sir Edward Warder delivered it and I know of no other money but only for the Maritime parts something hath been paid to the Treasurer of the Navy And besides the 50000 l. of late I know not any The Lord Mountnorris was called upon and being asked whether the Charge of 7000 l. a year for the Navy of Ireland was not taken off a year before my Lord of Straffords Government He answered I cannot say the sum was 7000 l. But two of the Whelps employed there before my Lord of Strafford came to the Government were defrayed whether wholly or in part I cannot tell but they had good large sums of money and were paid in the Kingdom I desire my Lord Mountnorris may be asked whether when I came to the Government the constant Charge did not exceed the constant Revenue and how much It is true the Irish gave sixscore Thousand pounds towards the Charge so that the Supply came out of Ireland though not out of the constant Revenue of Ireland but it came not out of this Kingdom He further answered the Constant Revenue did not do it There was a Contribution by Loan from the Country to supply it but before my Lord of Faulkland went over I heard my Lord of Middlesex tell him They must look for no more money England had nourished Ireland long enough she must now live upon her own Milk The reason why money did not go out was because 120000 l. was supplyed by a Contribution notwithstanding which when he came to serve the King in that Kingdom the Crown was indebted very near 100000 l. Sterling He hath received 300000 l. for Subsidies It will Appear on Accompts to be bestowed faithfully and justly every penny for the King To the point of my Lord of Straffords taking of 24000 l. of the Kings money and disposing it for a year and a half notwithstanding His Majesties Wants and the Necessities of the Army Sir Adam Loftus Vice-Treasurer produced and Sworn was interrogated whether my Lord of Strafford had not 24000 l. out of the Kings Revenue and how long time and when was it paid in He answered My Lord of Strafford and Sir George Ratcliffe had never a penny out of the Exchequer but on such Warrants as I durst not deny them for their due Entertainment and other things importing His Majesties Service But I must confess that they being Partners in the Customs some moneys were to be paid for the profits of the Customs which were in arrear and Sir George Ratcliffe moved me to give discharges for it and he would give me my Lord Lieutenants Bond and his own for paying of it upon demand which I accepted of and accordingly did give those discharges Whence observe discharges are money for so much money should have been paid in and if it be intercepted the King wants His money Being
Revenue nor as I conceive ever came into Accompt nor was paid into the Exchequer as will appear on the Fifteenth Article but was a Gift of the Country and applyed to the Kings Occasions and that determined the Revenue fell short 20000 l. of the Charge Besides when I came into Ireland the Crown was extreamly indebted above as I think not to stand on particular sums and pence 100000 l. Sterling And by the Gentleman 's own saying when I came out of Ireland I left 100000 l. in the Kings Coffers And if any ask where the Accompt for the Subsidies is There is 100000 l. Debt paid 100000 l. left in the Kings Coffers For it appears by Sir Adam Loftus that there was 100000 l. in the Exchequer when I came from thence There was 15000 l. employed for buying Land that yields the King 2000 l. a year And so much of my Lord of Ormond as yields 2500 l. a year So that the Accompts will shew the bestowing of the Subsidies with as much Advantage as might be for the Kings Service That the Revenue was short I could make appear clearly The occasion that no money came out of the Exchequer was accidental by a Contribution of the Country no Revenue of the Kings And if that had not been supplyed there had been no possibility of defraying the Ordinary Charges of the Crown out of the Revenue and that is the point wherein I differ from the Gentleman his meaning being That the ordinary Revenue of the Kingdom could not bear the ordinary Charge of the Kingdom And I desire that Sir Adam Loftus and Sir Robert Dillom may be examined upon such questions as shall be propounded in this point Your Lordship may examine them but not upon Oath I will not displease but perfectly obey in every thing It will not be denied but the Revenue is increased by such means as my Lord of Strafford hath increased it by yet it was not the natural Revenue but the additional part that came in by the Bounty of the Country that supported the Charge many years before my Lord of Strafford came So that if it be said Ireland supported not it self before he came thither in the general sense it is untrue if it be said in a special sense that the Kings proper Revenue did not support it that his Lordship says is true Whence I infer that it was not much material to insist on this for I meant it so and it is plain and clear that the Kings Revenue there was not able to bear the Charge of that Kingdom by very near 23000 l. or 24000 l. a year And it is now able to bear its own Charges and yet there is an increase of Charge by 600 Horse by which the Army is stronger than it was And whereas it is said I was short in the Shipping I affirm that under favour I was not It is true that in the time of the late Justices my Lord of Corke and my Lord Loftus the last years Charge of the Shipping was paid forth of Ireland But it is as true that when the Kingdom underwent the Charge they lessened the Charge of the Kings Army by striking 500 off from the Army and transferred the Charge of their pay to the easing of the Kings Revenue on the Navy But that Charge being now increased again and brought to the former certainty I conceive I might truly say There was in my time an ease to the Crown of England all things considered which formerly it had not It being not with the prejudice of the Kings Service elsewhere or lessening the standing Army which in all times hath been the strongest support of the Kings Justice and Ministers there and which it deeply concerns the Crown of England to keep in such a Condition that they may be responsible to the King for the Services he shall Command So that though the Shipping Charge was paid the last year yet so paid that the Kings Army was weakened 500 Foot whereas now it is paid and the Kings Army raised to a certainty again and a Change is made to the better for instead of 500 Foot there is 600 Horse And that I say my Lord of Corke remembers very well there being Letters of his That Sir Pierce Crosby his Regiment should be put off and the money for maintenance thereof should go to defray the Charge of the Kings Ships for guard of the Coast. And yet the Charge is much more now than it was for the Charge was then only two Whelpes as my Lord Mountnorris said And now there be three Ships The Swallow a Ship of the Third Rank and two lesser Vessels so that I conceive my Answer in my sense was true For the matter of having money out of the Exchequer I conceive my Answer to contain no matter of Untruth for I had out of the Exchequer only 15000 l. and for that the King will be answered 2000 l. a year good Fee-farm Rent in lieu of it which he thought was no ill bargain It is true I say the money spoken of by Sir Adam Loftus was borrowed on my own and Sir George Ratcliffes Bond to be paid upon sight At that time I praise God I had Credit for 20000 l. and at this time I thank God for that too I have not Credit for 20 d. Gods Will be done I obey it But this money is honestly and justly paid Where is the Crime then might not I borrow of a Gentleman that would trust me with money but it must be an Offence It is true it was of the Kings money but the King had no use for it at that time Had not I made use of it it must otherwise have lain in the Exchequer and yielded no profit and besides I borrowed it of one that was Accomptable for it But since I am put to it I will shew that which will clear it from being a Crime indeed which according to the Duty I owe unto His Majesty my Master his Command hitherto have I kept private to my self And that is the Kings Warrant being all of His own Hand writing Sir Adam Loftus being then Vice-Treasurer and now demanded the question Whether that Warrant was produced to him at the borrowing of the money confessed that my Lord of Strafford never told him of the Warrant The Warrant was read containing a Licence to make use of 40000 l. of His Majesties Treasure now in the hands of His Majesties Vice-Treasurer for three years Provided that for Security there be always left in the hands of the Comptrollers a Stock of Tobacco amounting to 40000 l. at the least with a direction to conceal this particular favour to him that it might not be brought into precedent There was accordingly so much Tobacco left But by what Law I know not The Magazines are seized on by Order from the Commons House of Parliament my Goods possessed and given over to others to sell at their own prices my
I say I preferred Mr. Gray and have done for him according to the means I had by the Favour and Goodness of the King perhaps he hath that which is worth 3 or 4 or 500 l. a year by my Gift And this Mr. Gray if I be not mistaken was sometimes Chaplain to a Noble Person that sits on the Earls Bench and if it were material further to enquire of him I might give satisfaction what he is I likewise brought into that Kingdom Mr. Tilson now Bishop of Elphin and sometimes Fellow of University Colledge of Oxford a most Worthy Honest Religious Person he is and those that know him I am sure will give him that Testimony I likewise preferred Dr. Margetson Dean of Christs Church he was of Cambridge and a Worthy man Mr. Forward Dean of Drummore an Oxford man who if he were known would appear worthy of that Preferment Mr. Dean Cressy an Oxford man Mr. Roade Dean of Derry a Cambridge man of Sydney Colledge Dr. Wentworth Dean of Armagh of Oxford Dr. Price Dean of Conaught of Christs Church in Oxford Mr. Thorpe a Cambridge man I preferred likewise one Mr. Parry whom I found in Ireland but all the rest I brought and sent for out of England Nay I sent for them and did those things for them before they did ask the Question or knew of it That being a means under Gods Blessing to conform that Kingdom to the Church of England And these and far greater numbers than these to my best Judgment and Understanding I made use of as Instruments to Gods Glory His true Service and the reducing of the people to the Profession of the same Religion that 's here in England and for no other end But concerning my Carriage of the Trust reposed in me by the King touching these Ecclesiastical Preferments I desire no other Testimony or Witness for me but the Lord Primate of Ireland who is sick and cannot come hither To whom I will Appeal whether I have not in my preferring to the Church Preferments carried my self with all clearness and care I could possibly To the point of increasing of Protestants if Your Lordships please to hear any thing in that kind I shall call my Lord Dillon and Sir Adam Loftus who if they should be asked Whether there be more Protestants in Dublin now than when I first came thither I doubt not but they would give an account of a greater number We Charge him not upon this point so it was set aside My preferring of none but Protestant Officers if I mistook not the Noble Gentleman did acknowledge To the disposing of the Army without Grievance to the Subject I leave that which was spoken with so much Advantage and Ability above any thing that from such a poor man as my self could be expected and proceed to that which was proved observing That one only Testimony was produced viz. Alderman I. who said they have a special Charter at Dublin to exempt them from Billetting of Soldiers But whether it be so or no it hath ever been denyed by the Deputies And by his own Confession the Foot-Companies of my Lord of Faulkland were Billetted in Dublin And whereas it was said they had Lodgings not Money That was altered upon a Composition with the Soldiers who can expect only Lodging but if for the Ease of the Town they will allow the Soldier Money and leave him to provide for himself it is all one For the Horse-Troops My own is and ever since I was there hath been Billetted in Dublin And it is in the power of the Deputy to Garrison part of the King's Army where he pleases and without controversie hath been so at all times And I desire that my Lord Ranulagh may be asked Whether the Soldiers of the Company he hath be not Billetted in Athlone at least some part of it It is true my Lord of Faulkland's Troop was not Billetted in Dublin but they were in the Counties round about which was more chargeable And besides here is produced but one single Witness and I hope my own Answer may stand equal and in as much Credit as a single Testimony that on the matter confesses the thing in a great part For the increase of Shipping the Gentleman question'd it not and really there is now 100 Tun for one that was there before my coming And if I had time to send into Ireland for the Certificates of the Officer of the Ports the Surveyor I think who views the Ports once a year it should appear to Your Lordships that I have not abused you nor the Honourable Gentlemen that hear me And whether that be an Argument that the Trade and Wealth of the Kingdom is improved I appeal to all that hear me when the Shipping doth so much increase And the Customs which were not above 13000 l. a year are come to 40000 l. and that on the same Book of Rates Concerning the Sentencing of Jurors and the questioning of them in the Star-Chamber It is true divers of their Sentences were past And to those Sentences I refer my self till something be proved against the Truth and Justice of them And I think it will stand with Your Lordships Goodness to judge the best of the Court of Castle-Chamber wherein the Deputy hath but one Voice They being the King's Ministers and standing upon their Oathes to do their Duties But I think in my Conscience there was the greatest reason in the World to sentence those persons And when it comes to be examined it will prove so And unless a strict hand be in that kind held upon the Natives the Priests shall carry them against all things that can be For either they do not or will not understand their Evidence so that it begets one of the most crying sins in Ireland And if some Examples have been made they are upon strict grounds and reasons of State For if Jurors going directly and manifestly contrary to their Evidence be not punished that high and ancient Trial by Jury will fall And is it not ordinary in England to have Juries Sentenced for not finding according to the Evidence But if any one hath not been Just upon instancing of the particulars I will Answer for his Vote as well as I can For it must stand or fall according to the Merit of the Cause But one thing which I observe the Gentleman to say is very Considerable for he tells what was spent there this last year This I have little to Answer for For when I came out of Ireland there was 100000 l. in the Exchequer and how it hath been issued I know not but it hath not been done by my Warrant or Direction yet I doubt not but it will appear when examined that it hath been faithfully and justly disposed But I am not to Answer for it only I can say That when I came out of that Kingdom the Kingdom was so far from being 60000 l. in Debt as some
things are not proved when any thing we urged is contained under an Article for then he refers the proof when he comes to the Article as many things concerning the Lands of the Clergy will be made good in the proofs of the proper Article That he hath preferred many Divines that is no part of his Merit nor takes away his fault though it be true That for the Value of his living we never heard of it till on this occasion but be it small or great it is nothing to justifie my Lord of Strafford being offered to this purpose That though his Lordship were careful of the Lands of the Ministers He was not careful of the Ministers themselves in suffering a Groom to execute that high Function Ministers being not to be chosen according to the Quality of the Living but according to the Quality of the Function That for the matter of Monopolies if his Lordship do stop any he may stop them for sinister Reasons and Respects and however there is no Compensation doing his Duty in one thing not satisfying for Neglect in another And then concluded That what we have not now replied unto shall be made good in the Charge and ought not in their Lordships Opinion make my Lord of Strafford more plausible for the Charge shall be made good against him in the truth of the Fact and the Aggravation of it Hereupon the Court was Adjourned and the Committee directed to proceed to the Proofs conducing to the particular Charge the next Morning The Third day Wednesday March 24. 1640. Gentlemen YOU who are of the Committee to manage the Evidence against the Earl of Strafford I am to acquaint you Their Lordships have considered of that point of Sir Pierce Crosby his being examined as a Witness and my Lord of Straffords Exceptions and have resolved that he shall be Examined and that the Validity of his Testimony shall be left unto their Lordships Judgments Your Lordships have with great Patience attended the Charge that hath been read and the Answer and the Exceptions taken to the Preamble which my Lord of Strafford to ingratiate himself did make to the main of his Defence My Lords I shall repeat little of that that hath been said only pardon me if I say this to Your Lordships That wherein my Lord of Strafford answered to very many particulars yet to that one main he answered not which was principally objected against him which I therefore speak to put him in mind of it that if he can he may Answer And that is Your Lordships were pleased to hear the Complaint and Protestation of the whole Kingdom of Ireland read before you The principal of their Aim seems to be to take off the Extolling of my Lord of Strafford that himself or his Agents had put upon him in a Bill of Subsidies wherein indeed the Praise and Honour due to His Majesty was much Attributed to my Lord of Strafford which grieved the Parliament who would take it off and my Lord of Strafford is now willing to lay it down and he doth well to do so when he can keep it no longer when those from whom he took it by fraud or force would wrest it again from him I desire Your Lordships to remember and I am sure you will That the main of our Complaint is His alteration of the fundamental Laws against Will His introducing of new Laws at his Will and Pleasure This is not only the Cry but the Testimony of a whole Kingdom before Your Lordships of all the Lords and Commons of Ireland I shall not touch that which concerns breach of Priviledge of Parliament he would fain put that off on Sir George Ratcliffe his bosom Friend and put it off himself My Lord of Strafford Sequestred Sir Pierce Crosby from the Council his Vote went with it others joined with him but I am sure he moved it he concurred with it But now My Lords I humbly Address my self to that we are ready to maintain The Body of the Charge And because some time hath been spent between the reading of the Charge and the main of the Defence I desire leave to open what is the Nature what the Height and Quality of the Offence of which this great Lord stands Accused before you My Lords It is a Charge of the highest Nature that can be against a man A Charge of High Treason It is a Treason not ending and expiring in one single Act of a discontented Heart but a Habit a Trade a Mystery of Treason exercised by this Great Lord ever since the Kings Favour bestowed on him My Lords It hath two Evils to deprive us of that which is good that is to subvert and take away the fundamental the ancient Laws whereby we are secure of whatsoever we do enjoy it hath My Lords a positive Evil in it to introduce instead of that an Arbitrary Government bounded by no Laws but by the Evil Councels of such Ministers as he hath been My Lords It is the Law that gives that Soveraign tye which wâ— all Obedience and Chearfulness the Subject renders to the Soveraign It is the Law My Lords that gives Honours to the Lords and Nobles Interest Property and Liberty to the Subject My Lords The Law as it is the Foundation and Ground of all these hath its distribution in a course of Justice Justice is derived as by so many Channels by the several Courts of Justice whereby the Kings Justice for it is His is brought and conveyed to the Subject My Lords Of all this hath my Lord of Strafford endeavoured not only to put the Subject out of present Possession but to make him uncapable of the future Benefit of it Other Treasons yea a Treason against the Person of a Prince which is the most Transcendent and High Treason that can be fall short of this Treason For a good Prince may be gathered to His Fathers yet another may succeed Him that supports the Glory and Justice of His Throne We have had Experience of it When blessed King Iames was taken from us to Heaven Sol occubuit nox nulla secuta est But if any one such a design as this should take effect That the Law and Justice should be taken from the Throne and Will placed there we are without hope of ever seeing Remedy Power in so great a measure taken is not easily laid down unless it be by the exceeding great goodness of so merciful and just a Prince as we have My Lords The Particulars of this Treason are Conveyed to Your Lordships in 28 several Articles I shall shortly and briefly touch but the Heads of those on which I shall insist and give some distribution of them And I think the best way will be this To consider first what he did and what he said before he went into Ireland then what he did and said there and what he hath done since And in all of them you will find this his main design which I
man without the precincts of the Court. That my Lord of Strafford fell on his Knees and besought the King That if his Instructions might not be so good as to bring in a Delinquent that had affronted the Court if by stepping over the water he should go beyond the precincts of it he might leave that Service and lay his Bones in his own Cottage That his Father was Arrested in November 1632. as he takes it and was kept 18 Weeks before he was discharged Evers Gower Sworn and Interrogated about the time of his Fathers Arrest Answered That it was in November 1632. and his Father kept in Prison 14 or 18 Weeks but referred to his Brothers Deposition for a more particular Answer To the matter of Prohibitions Iohn Musgrave Sworn was examined Whether he knew of any Prohibition sued forth in Vaux his Cause And whether a Warrant were granted to Attach What Threats my Lord of Strafford used to the party that sued it out being after Octavo Caroli After some Exceptions taken to it by the Earl of Strafford as not being within the Charge The Witness Answered That he knew of an English Suit between Musgrave and Vaux That upon notice given by Musgrave a Prohibition was procured Direction was given that an Affidavit should be made of serving the Prohibition That Affidavit being made a Warrant was directed to the Pursevant or his Deputy to Arrest Vaux On which he was Arrested and Rescued That after Affidavit made of the Rescue a further Warrant was sued forth for bringing in of the Rescuers from London which Warrant was now produced That the Rescuers being thereupon brought to Yorke and having lain several days in Prison an Information was Exhibited by Sir George Ratcliffe then the Kings Attorney at Yorke by relation of Francis Musgrave To which they did Answer And after upon full hearing That before the Censure he the Deponent in Michaelmas Term before 1632. did come to London on behalf of Francis Musgrave to move the Court of Common-Pleas to have the Prohibition dissolved And likewise Vaux did procure a Rule for a Prohibition in the Information Cause which the Witness offered to shew under the Court Hand That it was moved by Sir Robert Heath that the difference might be referred to Mr. Justice Hutton and Sir Robert Heath That he the Deponent undertook for Musgrave and Vaux did submit That afterwards by Sir George Ratcliffes direction thinking it not fit to refer the Cause it concerning the Jurisdiction of the Court of York My Lord President being acquainted with it the Reference went not on that Term but stayed till the Presidents pleasure was known with which Mr. Justice Hutton was made acquainted That in December upon his this Deponents return to York and upon hearing the Information Cause December 1632. Sir George Ratcliffe did offer to the Court the Lord President being there whether he might go on in the Information Cause for that there was a Reference between Musgrave and Vaux to Justice Hutton and Sir Robert Heath or whether the Reference might go on or no That the Lord President thereupon answered That a Rule for a Prohibition was no Prohibition but if there were one he would not obey it And whosoever brought a Prohibition there he would lay him by the heels And as he the Deponent remembred he directed his Speech to the Register of the Court and told him there was a Letter from the King to that purpose but that he said he could not very well remember And as touching the Reference my Lord said It was a Cause that concerned the Jurisdiction of the Court of York and no private man should end it He would try the Jurisdiction of the Court upon it and the next Term would go to London and acquaint the Judges with it and if they remanded the Cause back again so if not he would Appeal to the King in it That after Christmas in Candlemas Term 1632. He the Deponent went to London with my Lord and moved again for dissolving the Prohibition and for Liberty to proceed That again it was agreed between the Judges of that Court and my Lord to have a Treaty And several Treaties they had but could not agree The effect of the Treaty was That if a Trial could be directed at Law upon a fained Action I should go to Law reserving the Equity to the Court if not that the Judges would remand the Cause back again But after they had several days met and no Trial could be directed nor any Action devised at Law to try it my Lord thereupon said He would give no further meeting but would Appeal to the King and the party should Petition On which a Petition was drawn which the Deponent offered And the Judge speaking something of Vaux my Lord said he should not be in England but he would have his Body or words to that purpose F. Thorpe Sworn being interrogated touching some words he heard Mr. Justice Hutton speak touching these Prohibitions and some other things in that point He Answered He would give the best account he could of what passed being divers years since That he was with Justice Hutton in his Study and they had Conference together as they had many times touching that height that my Lord of Strafford was pleased to carry the business of York-shire with And that amongst other things my Lord was pleased to say my Lord had been with him and shewed himself very angry with him because he had granted a Prohibition And this is all he could remember He took it to be seven years ago and in the Cause that concerned Vaux as he took it and this was at London And added That the Judge spake with a great deal of Passion to think things should be carried in that manner as they were that the Judges should not have Liberty to grant Prohibitions For the Judge said that he had thus debated the business with my Lord Why should you be angry for granting of Prohibitions They in the Kings-Bench can grant Writs of Error to examine our Proceedings and we think it no offence and hold our selves as able to Judge as they And it is the Justice of the Law that requires it to be so and therefore you must submit to us as we must submit to them F. Thorpe being asked what he knew of my Lord of Straffords distast against them that sued out or solicited or councelled Prohibitions or Habeas Corpus's He first desired to be excused from saying any thing that concerned himself but being commanded to speak He Answered That he would speak nothing but the Truth if he must do it though he perish for it And he professed that he had not spoken in any place to any person what he was now to say That in the beginning of my Lord of Strafford's time it fell to him in his ordinary course of Practice to move for a Prohibition and on his motion some were obtained That he was informed
Lordships satisfaction will in good time be given That though this particular is not Treason yet all the parts of it amount to the Subversion of the Laws of the Kingdom That is prest as Treason and this as an Evidence That for the second Commission it follows as the other if he procured the one he is guilty as if he procured both it being the same Power still THE Second Article The Charge THat shortly after the obtaining of the said Commission dated the 21st of March in the Eighth year of His Maiesties Reign to wit the last day of August then next following he the said Earl to bring His Maiesties Liege People into a dislike of His Maiesty and of His Government and to terrifie the Iustices of the Peace from executing of the Laws He the said Earl being then President as aforesaid and a Iustice of Peace did publickly at the Assizes held for the County of York in the City of York in and upon the said last day of August declare and publish before the People there attending for the Administration of Iustice according to Law and in the presence of the Iustices sitting That some of the Iustices were all for Law and nothing would please them but Law but they should find That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law WE are come now to the second Article touching words spoken of the King That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law For that we desire to produce Witnesses and they will shew how my Lord of Strafford is mistaken in his Answer Or if he says true As he slanders the King in one sense so he slanders the Law in another Witnesses produced William Long Sworn and interrogated What words he heard my Lord of Strafford speak concerning the comparison between the Kings little Finger and the Loyns of the Law On what occasion Where and at what time Answered When Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff of York-shire 1632. as he takes it My Lord of Strafford being there he heard his Lordship say these words That some nothing would content but Law but they should know The Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law And this was spoken in the place where the Judges sate in York-Castle at the Assizes that year The occasion he knew not but it was publickly spoken and as he thought my Lord did not then sit on the Bench but stood at the Barr. Sir Thomas Leyton was Sworn and being thick of hearing the Manager was directed by my Lord Steward to interrogate him to the effect aforesaid Who Answered My Lord said Some would not be satisfied but by Law but they should have Law enough for they should find the Kings little Finger to be heavier than the Loyns of the Law His Lordship being on the Bench then with the Judges at that time and abundance of the Country being there then at Lammas Assizes at the Castle-Bench And he thinks it was 1632. or 1633. but he knew not the occasion Marmaduke Potter having been examined as a preparatory Witness and since being deceased it was desired his Deposition might be read The Lord Steward declared That the Examinations of those preparatory Witnesses should be read in case any should be dead To prove Marmaduke Potter's death Thomas Harrison was Sworn Being interrogated what he knew concerning the death of Marmaduke Potter Answered That since his coming out of York-shire he heard a report from his Neighbours that M. P. is dead and buried That he the Deponent lived a Mile from the said Marmaduke Potter which is Ninescore and Ten Miles from this place but he heard no particular of the day of his burial The Examination of Marmaduke Potter Gent. taken Ianuary 1640. to the 10th and 11th Inter. He saith That about eight years since when Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff of York-shire he heard the Earl of Strafford make a Speech publickly at the Bench at Summer-Assizes and he said then That the Kings little Finger should be heavier than the Loyns of the Law I know not whether it were material for me to Answer this or no but as the Charge is laid it is impossible I should be guilty of the words For it is laid to be the last of August next following the 21st of March in the Eighth year of His Majesties Reign which falls out to be when I was in Ireland But I desire not to stand on such Niceties but that Truth may appear The words confessed in my Answer are quite contrary being That the little Finger of the Law was heavier than the Kings Loyns And that I set forth in my Answer and the occasion of them which these Witnesses do not or else will not remember The occasion was this There came divers Levies in the year when Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff for divers great sums of money for issues in the Knighting-business on some that had compounded and paid their money to me the Receiver of that money then and by me answered in the Exchequer yet these Issues came down through some Errour above and were levied with very great rigour by Sir Thomas Leyton When I came down I spake with Sir Thomas Leyton and shewed him how the men were injured and did desire him to return the money to them again and I would see him discharged in the Exchequer which he was contented to do And then to give satisfaction to the Country I told them That that Commission was a Commission of Grace and Favour and that their Compounding with the King was an ease to them and much greater ease than by a proceeding at Law would have fallen on them the very first Issues being three or four times more than they had compounded the whole for And thereupon I applyed that Speech That the little Finger of the Law was heavier than the Loyns of the King For if I should then have fallen to threaten them I had spoken contrary to the end I had proposed which was to incline them And further that not one of the Witnesses spoke any thing to the occasion of the Speech That it is long since and was never yet complained of and that man must have a stronger memory than I that will undertake to swear positively the very words spoken seven or eight years ago And under favour he ought to have better Ears than Sir Thomas Leyton who appears to have such an infirmity in hearing that he must now be whoopt to at the Barr before he can hear and sure his sense of hearing is much decayed else he could not have heard me speaking at that distance to the place where the Sheriff sits in an open place as far distant as from the Barr where I now stand to my Lord Steward or very near Dr. Duncombe being asked Whether he came accidentally to York that day and what he heard the words repeated to be He Answered He came from
Durham being sent for on other occasions That he was at York in his Journey from Durham the first day of the Assizes and being at Dinner at Dr. Stanhopps there came a Gent. Sir Edward Stanhopp who called Dr. Stanhopp Uncle from the Assizes That the Doctor asked what news specially concerning my Lord Presidents Speech he told them that he prest hard to hear and could tell some passages of it Then they asked what they were says he My Lord President was speaking of this That the way of the Prerogative was in some particulars easier than the Common Law And in his expression he said these words The little Finger of the Common Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King This the said Sir Edward Stanhopp told him in the presence of divers others who he thinks do remember the words were so related and that he had related them often since and never took it otherwise till he saw it in the Charge and there it was clear otherwise And upon further question at my Lord of Straffords motion He Answered That he never acquainted my Lord of Strafford that he could say any thing in this till Sunday night and then talking with Sir William Pennyman he told Sir William the story My Lord of Strafford desired Sir William Pennyman might be heard and humbly acknowledged the Favour that had been done him by the House of Commons in giving liberty unto it upon his suit Sir William Pennyman being asked whether he was present at the time when my Lord of Strafford spoke the words of comparison between the Kings little Finger and the Loyns of the Law what was spoke and what was the occasion He Answered That he was present at the Assizes at York at that time and heard my Lord speak these words in another order and position than is testified by these three Witnesses And in truth he said he could wish he spake now on his Oath for he knew he spake on much disadvantage The occcasion was this A Rumour was cast up and down in the Country That my Lord of Strafford had received great sums of money concerning Knighthood which he had detained in his own hands and not paid into the Exchequer Hearing of this his Lordship thought himself much wronged in it and took occasion to vindicate himself and there spoke of it and told them to the best of his remembrance there was some omission on the Secretaries part or some of the Officers of the Exchequer Hereupon my Lord took occasion to discourse of the Legality of Knighthood-money and told them Gentlemen you may see this is a Commission of Grace and Favour for whereas you may compound with the King for a matter of 20 or 30 l. you have in two or three Terms run into great sums He added That he did not remember the proportion but the Inference was So that you may see that the little Finger of the Law is heavier than the Loyns of the King One of the Managers desired he might be asked by what means this was brought into his memory and how long since He Answered He had the retention of it in his memory before but it was revived on occasion of these Articles when they were exhibited It is enough and he did his Duty well that being a Member of the House of Commons he never informed the House of it My Lords I desire my Answer may be read wherein the occasion and the words are directly set forth quite contrary to those in the Charge and I protest that I will take my Oath on it That it was so And my humble request is That no Witness I produce may be prejudiced for any Testimony he shall give here being with the Liberty and Allowance of both Houses For if they should be discountenanced nay punished for it I should think my self a very unhappy man indeed and rather than I should prejudice any man in that kind I profess I would put my self on Gods mercy and goodness and not make use of any Member of either House and my principal Witnesses must be of both Houses rather than acquit my self by their prejudice for I accompt it an unjust thing to overthrow another to save my self The Testimony of a Member of the House hath great credit in the House and they take not the least exception against Sir William Pennyman for any thing he said before their Lordships but wish he may speak with clearness and truth but had he informed this particular himself to the House he had done my Lord of Strafford more right than by not informing to let it come in Charge and bring in his Testimony contrary to his Vote When a Witness hears a thing in question though it be not required of him certainly he should vindicate the Reputation of his Friend in contradicting it in season but it is not so done and certainly his silence to the House was not well My Lords This concerns me nearly This Gentleman Sir William Pennyman is my Noble Friend and a Worthy Gentleman and I would give him my Life on any occasion but I know him to be a Person so full of Virtue and Nobleness that he would not speak an untruth for all the world perhaps he might not think fit to speak it in the House men are left at their liberty The Charge came out in Print very lately and whether Sir William Pennyman might know any thing of it I leave it to those that better understand it But with this humble Request to the noble and worthy Gentlemen of the Commons House That they would please to regard it so that no man may suffer by me I protest I had rather suffer ten thousand times my self The business concerns the House of Commons the Committee knows not how they will apprehend it But it is only offered That the Judgment of the House of Commons may not be prejudiced The Lord Steward concluded this matter That his Lorship is put upon the Trial of his Peers who will give him all fair Respect That his Lordship shall be denied no just way for his clearing that he could say nothing in the Name of the Lords to this particular that 's come out on the present nor these Gentlemen in the name of the Commons only he may be sure to find all that is fit which my Lord of Strafford said he doubted not and hoped their Lordship would pardon him for moving it it concerning him very much As to the mistake in point of time the Commons laying it to be after the Commission 21. March 8 Reg. and prove it to be before the time is not at all material The offence is not that he spake it on that day but that he spake the words The Exception to Sir Thomas Leyton's Testimony that he had need to have better Ears he is a Gentleman of worth his Deposition is an Oath and he knew best what he heard the truth is
he stood within little distance of my Lord when he spake the words and hath not been deaf above two months and two other Witnesses concur fully with him For Doctor Duncombe whether he be the man that laid Aspersions in the North on some Noble Lords I know not but his Testimony only is that he heard so from one that spake it at the Table not upon Oath and not knowing what use would be made of it And another Witness shall be produced that will speak to the occasion and that it was not the matter of Knighting-money Sir Thomas Leyton being asked how long he hath had this Infirmity in his hearing Answered That he got a great Cold since he came to Town and had this Imperfection since Christmas and had his hearing well before Being asked how far he sate from my Lord of Strafford He Answered Four yards off My Lord of Strafford desired it might be asked the Witness Whether he sate on the Seat where the Sheriff uses to fit he answered Affirmatively His Lordship excepted against his Testimony himself sitting where the President uses to sit betwixt my Lord Chief Baron and Mr. Justice Vernon And he Appealed to my Lord Chief Baron Whether the Presidents Seat and the Sheriffs Seat be not as far distant very near as far as from his Lordships then station to the Lord Steward But the Committee observed it not to be material that there should be any Geometrical measure but be three four five six or seven yards off Here the Committee offered other Witnesses but my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships Judgment Whether they should not bring all together which the Lord Steward declared they might as to this Point Sir David Fowles being produced was excepted against My Lords He is no competent Witnesse he lying in the Fleet on a Sentence in the Star-Chamber at my Suit being fined for divers things he had said which concerned my self which depended on this in question and conducing to it He comes not at his own Request or Suit but in a Suit that concerns His Majesty and the Commonwealth and might offer the Presidents own Rule in the Case but that the Law speaks for him that a Witness ought to be heard in this Cause though there have been particular ill affections between them and your Lordships well know how to compare him with other Witnesses and to value him accordingly This hath been Resolved in the Case of Sir Pierce Crosby that he should be sworn and then value his Testimony as the Lords shall see Cause and this may be put into the same way Sir David Fowles being sworn the Lord Steward put them in mind of the former Caution that their Lordships would judge the value of his Testimony the Committee not admitting what was excepted against him he being not to obtain any thing for himself nor his own Interest concerned but produced for the King and Commonwealth and therefore an indifferent Witness in the Case And then being Interrogated touching the words of Comparison between the King 's little Finger and the Loins of the Law whether he heard them and the occasion Sir David Fowles answered He heard him say the very same words That there were some for Law and nothing but Law but the King 's little Finger should be heavier on them than the Loins of the Law The occasion he cannot well remember but there was some discontent taken by my Lord against him he being desired by a Messenger to levy Mony to mend a Bridge he told the Messenger He could not well do it of himself for there was a Statute as he took it 24 H. 8. that appoints four Commissioners to be at the doing of such Service and he being but One durst not undertake to do it Besides he said He must see an Order or Warrant from the Sessions else he could not do it and none was shewed Some other Exceptions he took to the unlawfulness of the business and the Messenger reported this to my Lord and that he conceived was the cause my Lord broke out so violently against him But being Interrogated on what occasion the words in question were spoken He answered Before my Lord went to Ireland he made a Speech to the whole County and desired them to go on in their Service and so brake out Some are all for Law but they shall find the Kings little Finger heavier on them than the Loins of the Law And this is all he can remember Sir William Ingram sworn and examined touching his knowledge of these words Answered That he was on the Bench at that time Sir Thomas Leyton was Sheriff and he heard my Lord speak these words Some of you are all for Law but you shall find that the King 's little Finger is heavier than the Loins of the Law but he doth not remember the occasion The main point I must insist on is That the very words if they had been spoken by me as they are laid concerning which I call God to witness I have spoken the truth and the occasion It is no Treason within the Statute And that being a point of Law I crave leave to reserve my self according to your Lordships Order that my Counsel in time fitting and proper may speak as concerning that in point of Law We shall close this Article the last thing mentioned by his Lordship was spoken to before as to the words we had five Witnesses express in the Point and therefore shall expect your Lordships Judgment in that And so the Court was adjourned The Fourth day Thursday March 25. 1641. THE Third Article The Charge THat the Realm of Ireland having béen time out of mind annexed to the Imperial Crown of this His Majesties Realm of England and governed by the same Laws The said Earl being Lord-Deputy of that Realm to bring His Majesties Liege-Subjects of that Kingdom likewise into dislike of His Majesties Government and intending the Subversion of the Fundamental Laws and setled Government of that Realm and the destruction of His Majesties Liege-people there did upon the 30th day of September in the Ninth Year of His now Majesties Reign in the City of Dublin the chief City of that Realm where His Majesties Privy-Council and Courts of Iustice do ordinarily reside and whither the Nobility and Gentry of that Realm do usually resort for Iustice in a publick Speech before divers of the Nobility and Gentry of that Kingdom and before the Mayor Aldermen and Recorder and many Citizens of Dublin and other His Majesties Liege-people declare and publish That Ireland was a Conquered Nation and that the King might do with them what he pleased And speaking of the Charters of former Kings of England made to that City He further then said That their Charters were nothing worth and did bind the King no further than he pleased I Humbly move your Lordship That since diverse things were spoken by the Witnesses Yesterday which
he heard my Lord of Strafford speak touching Ireland being a Conquered Nation and that the Charters of it were of no value further then it pleased the King to make them His Lordship answered And first desired leave to speak a word hoping he should do no wrong to any man That when he had obtained my Lords Licence under the Great Seal to come over hither he came with as great a Resolution never to complain of any sufferings he had or to Petition against him as any man did and left all his Papers and Writings behind him that he might have nothing to move him against my Lord of Strafford but to do him all the service he could To the question his Lordship said That all he can say is this that he was present that day the Mayor of Dublin was presented to my Lord Deputy that then was and the Recorder set forth the Great Charters they had from the several Kings of England and fell on that matter of placing Soldiers in Dublin without their consent That my Lords Answer was You must understand Mr. Recorder Ireland is a conquered Nation and the King may give them what Laws he pleases And then going forward with the Charters he said They be old Antiquated Charters and no further good than the King is pleased to make them To that sense he said he is sure We desire to observe to Your Lordships That this time was not the only time he spoke the very words in effect to the whole Kingdom afterwards in Parliament The Lord Gorminstone produced and Sworn Being asked whether he heard my Lord of Strafford speak words to the effect as aforesaid That Ireland was a conquered Nation c. His Lordship Answered That he remembers that in the 10th year of the Kings Reign 1634 on occasion of a Petition presented to my Lord Lieutenant in behalf of the Country as far as his remembrance leads him from the House of Commons desiring the benefit of some Graces His Majesty had been pleased to confer on them and he in the open Parliament sitting under the Cloth of State in presence of both Houses told them Ireland was a conquered Nation and they must expect Laws as from a Conquerour And the Instructions granted from His Majesty for setling the Government of that Kingdom were procured from a company of narrow-hearted Commissioners Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's motion when these words were spoken whether the first day of the Parliament or at any other time His Lordship answered That to his best remembrance it was not the first day of the Parliament My Lord of Strafford saying it was at the opening of the Parliament and the second day my Lord Gorminstone being further asked about the time His Lordship answered He knew not whether it were the second day or another day but the particular words he took notice of and it was in presence of both Houses of Parliament the Speaker standing at the Barr. The Lord Killmallock produced and Sworn and interrogated touching the same words His Lordship answered That he was a Member of the Commons House the 10th and 11th of the King and the House of Commons Petitioned the then Lord Deputy the Earl of Strafford for the gaining of the Act of Limitations for the confirming of their Estates amongst other Graces granted to the Agents for that Kingdom in the fourth year of the King These Graces he answered to in writing and on the second or third day after came into the House of Lords and there sent for the Commons and in his Speech amongst other things I well remember and to my grief and to the grief of that Kingdom he uttered these words That that Kingdom was a conquered Nation the words as he remembred and therefore they must expect Laws as from a Conquerour adding further that the Book of Instructions established in King Iames his Reign for the orderly Government of the Courts of Justice in that Kingdom were Instructions contrived and procured by a Company of narrow-hearted Commissioners who knew not what belonged to Government Sir Pierce Crosby being asked touching the same words Answered That he very well remembred the words as they had been spoken by the Noblemen that had been examined before him My Lord of Strafford then Lord Deputy of Ireland in the hearing of both Houses said That Ireland was a conquered Nation and that the Conquerour should give the Law He added further that the Book of Instructions for the Government of that Kingdom was drawn up or procured by the means of some narrow-hearted Commissioners meaning those Commissioners that were employed by Commission from the King out of the House of Commons being a select Committee whereof there was one that is now a Noble Member of this House that sits on the Earls Bench And that he hath heard many of both Houses repeat the same words as spoken by him And so the Commons concluded the Article expecting my Lord of Straffords Answer After a quarter of an hours respit my Lord of Strafford began his Defence as followeth First I desire to open two points set forth in my Answer which under favour I must stand to as that by which I must stand or fall First That the Kingdom of Ireland as I conceive is governed by Customs and Statutes and Execution of Martial Law and Proceedings at Council-Board in a different manner from the Laws of England Secondly That touching the Charters I said these Charters were void and nothing worth and did not bind the King further than he pleased both which I hope to make good The other business that comes in De novo is no part of my Charge and therefore I hope will not be laid to my Charge I observe in the beginning of this part of the Charge that concerns Ireland That the Governours for the Crown of England that have been it Ireland in all Ages almost have had these misfortunes That the Native Subjects of that Country have not been propitious towards them I instance in the case of Sir Io. Perott who on Testimonies here was Attainted of Treason in a Legal ordinary way of proceeding whereupon he lost his Estate though not his Life and afterwards it was confest there was little truth in all that Accusation Next my Lord of Faulkland against whom many of the Witnesses that I think will come against me informed as Sir Pierce Crosby for one my Lord Mountnorris for another and divers others who had so prejudicated me when I went into Ireland in their Opinion by the generality of their Charge that I was a little distrustful whether it was not so And thus much I have spoken once before His Majesty at the Council-Board on another occasion and now speak it to Your Lordships to the Honour of that Person that is now with God my Lord of Faulkland notwithstanding all the heavy cries that were against him and the wrongs and injuries laid to his Charge I
who lived in those famous times and spent their blood in Obedience to their Soveraigns Command So that by these words candidly and rightly taken no manner of ill could come being spoken not with any sharpness or upbraiding but meerly to let them see That being in that Condition they were infinitely bound to the Kings of England who were pleased to communicate to them the Laws of their own Kingdom And so far were they from being taken ill that no man at that time took offence at them For the words The King might do with them what he pleased let them relate to the Conquest and there is no offence in them for the Conqueror might give them what Laws he pleased and yet nevertheless hath been so gracious and good as to give them the Laws of his own People Give me that understanding of the words and then where is the Crime how can it be brought in Judgment against me in it self or be aggravated to High Treason I acknowledge I did speak to the Recorder of Dublin yet some things I am put in mind of which I am forced to deny with a great asseveration That I do not remember the words nay I am sure I never spake them let all the world and a cloud of Witnesses say the contrary when I know in my own heart I did not speak them though I offer not this to Your Lordships to convince your Judgments And on the other side there is nothing that is true but I will acknowledge it with all Ingenuity in the world on the Testimony of any one single Witness I desire that Mr. Slingsby his Servant might be asked whether he was not present when I spake these words and whether then any offence was taken at me in respect of the high manner of my speaking or whether they were not rather extreamly well satisfied Now if Your Lordships take words in pieces and not altogether any man living may be convinced but taking my words altogether though something might be thought harsh yet something gave abundant satisfaction I am upon a mighty prejudice in being denied to have my Witnesses examined upon Oath in these things that are not Treason But they be persons of good credit and I trust your Lordships will believe them as much as if they spake on Oath since I think none of them would say a word to your Lordships which they would not swear Mr. Slingsby being asked Whether he was present when my Lord of Strafford spake to the Recorder of Dublin what he said and what acceptance it received He Answered He was then present being on the occasion of presenting Sir Robert Dixton the Mayor of Dublin that he cannot remember the particular words nor deliver them to their Lordships as they were spoken by the Lord-Lieutenant But he remembers particularly the scope of the Discourse was to ingratiate His Majesties present Government to them That the words were well accepted by several persons whom he spake with and took that Effect that his Lordship was thereupon invited to the Mayors House where divers of the City Congratulated his coming to them I shall now proceed to the second part of the words That their Charters were nothing worth and they bind the King no farther than he pleases and I conceive I may say so still If their Charters be nothing worth they do not bind the King but he may do with them what he pleases In that I desire your Lordships to call to mind what my Lord of Corke said That Ireland was a Conquer'd Nation and the King might give them what Laws he pleased and that the Charters were Antiquated and no farther good than it pleased His Majesty to make them It is likely I confess I might say so and yet not say amiss for it is most evident and clear their Charters are void in point of Law and therefore it is in the King 's good will and pleasure Whether he will make them good or no. And that they were void the King's Council informed me so that they were questioned at Council-Board upon it for divers unlawful Exactions they took under colour of Charters for divers by-Laws that they had made against Law by those Charters for divers neglects of Duties that they ought to do by those Charters and generally for not performing the trust reposed in them by those Charters with that Integrity and Care they ought to do And for the truth of it that many Complaints were made against the Mayor and Aldermen at that Board for neglecting their Duty I dare Appeal to my Lord of Corke I adding this That the greatest part of the Aldermen were Recusants and would never be brought to obey the Order of the Board but stood on their Charters and would be Masters and by that means great Disorders continued And to prove that upon Examination they appeared to be void in Law I desire Sir George Ratcliffe may be admitted to speak on what Grounds those Charters were called in and are now as I think deposited with the Clerk of the Council Sir George Ratcliffe standing charged with High Treason by the Commons of England before your Lordships and of a Conspiracy with my Lord of Strafford and whether it be fit to hear one charged with High-Treason to clear another so charged we Appeal to your Lordships That Sir George Ratcliffe is charged to be a Conspirator with me indeed and in truth I must confess Sir George Ratcliffe and my self under favour are equally guilty of Treason and I hope we shall both justifie our selves but I know so much of him that I am not ashamed to say That I think that Sir George Ratcliffe is my Friend and I wish him well and so I think will all other men I trust in God when they hear him But I conceive Sir George Ratcliffe might be heard in these Points if he be examined as a Witness against me I desire he may be examined as a Witness for me Sir George Ratcliffe is not examined nor at all sworn in the Cause on our Motion and admitted that if they produced him as a Witness they would not deny my Lord of Strafford to cross examine him The Lord Steward declared the sense of their Lordships That Sir George Ratcliffe could not be examined I shall readily obey but yet observe That if it were only matter of Misdemeanor he might be examined though charged But this is my unhappiness to be debarred of my Witnesses because I am charged with Treason in general though there be nothing in particular that 's near the complexion of Treason We desire to observe that this justifies a part of our Charge for the Charter of the Subjects Liberties are as his Lordship confesseth brought to the Council Table and judged there and not to the proper Courts where they ought to be judged the Council-Table having no Power to declare the Validity or Invalidity of Charters from the King to the Subject
I said at that time tended to that purpose to shew and set forth to them the excellent Goodness of His Majesty and the Graciousness of His Government Therefore if I should say any thing to the purpose as it is offered I should go much against the purpose for which I intended my Discourse For me to have said openly there in the King's Chair that they were a Conquer'd Nation and must expect Laws from Him as from a Conqueror when I knew it most false and expected from His Majesty that He would Govern them by the same righteous Rules of Justice and Honour as his Predecessors had before him I had been much too blame and it had been against the drift of my Discourse And I must say and will say to the death I never spake such words That they must expect Laws from Him as from a Conqueror I know very well how it is proved and what my own affirmation doth in foro Iudicii but how it may work in foro Conscientiae I trust I have so much credit left in the World as to be known to be a man of truth and not usually to speak untruths And I take the heavenly God to Witness that I never spake them I remember the words and the occasion by a good token without which I should not have remembred them my Friends desiring a Copy of my Speech which Copy is in Ireland and were it here would satisfie every man It was to incline them to take into consideration the great Debt that lay on the Crown being near 100000 l. the shortness of the Revenue which was then short of the yearly Charge 24000 l. though the first day it was stood upon and would have been coloured over as if there had been no such thing I was to move thereunto a supply to pay the Debt and to improve the Revenue to such a height as might answer the Charge of the Kingdom that to induce this I told them the Kingdom of England had expended great and vast Sums of Money and had issued a great deal of Noble blood for the reducing of them to Obedience and in that happy State wherein they then lived That they must not think the Kingdom of England must always bear the Charge of the Crown but they must so fit the business that the Kingdom may bear its own Charge For said I and these are the words I take God Almighty to Witness and no other If the Kingdom of England should still be put to their Charges and the whole Expence should still rest on the Conqueror you might very well think you are so dealt withall as never any other Conquer'd Nation had been That on these words my Lord of Ormond came to me and told me That the words he had spoken were not well taken For that I had said The Irish are a Conquer'd Nation and that is not well I answered his Lordship Truly my Lord you are a Conquer'd Nation but you see how I speak it and no otherwise But this I am not charged with and offer it only to keep and preserve me in a good Opinion as much as I can of both Houses of Parliament which I desire of all things under Heaven next the Favour of Almighty God and his Gracious Majesty He then proceeded to examine Witnesses And first Robert Lord Dillom being asked Whether he was present when he spake these words to both Houses of Parliament and what they were We desire to put your Lordships in mind that there were two times when my Lord spake such words one when he spake to hoth Houses of Parliament at the Publick Speeeh now mentioned the other upon delivering a Petition by the House of Commons That the words which the Commons Charge were the last mentioned by me not the first and that was desired to be observed The Question being repeated The Lord Dillom Answered That he served as a Member of the Commons House that Parliament and in respect of the Honour he had to be of the King's Council and the Son of a Peer of the Realm he stood under the Cloath of State and was present when my Lord made his Speech to both Houses for that passage of the Conquest some touch there was of it and he hath heard my Lord of Ormond speak in particular of it For the other words That they should expect Laws as from a Conqueror he took God to witness he did not remember them Being asked whether he remembers them to be spoken at any other time He answered That on his Soul he doth not Sir Adam Loftus being asked to the same purpose He Answered That he was the first and the last day at the Parliament that he doth not well remember the middle day and he cannot burden his memory with any such words spoken that he heard either then or at any other time Sir Robert King was called and asked to the same purpose He Answered That he thinks he was present that day but not within hearing and he never heard the words at any other time Lord Renula being asked Whether then or at any time he heard my Lord of Strafford say They must expect Laws from the King as from a Conqueror He Answered That he was then in the House and remembers the words in the first place That Ireland was a Conquer'd Nation that for the words in the second place something was spoken but how far he cannot witness Sir George Wentworth questioned on the same Point Answered That he sate under the Chair of State at that time and remembers not that my Lord ever spake these words That the King might do with them as he pleased That it pleased my Lord-Lieutenant to send him into England at that time to attend His Majesty with the Success of that Parliament and that he brought the Speech with him and can confidently affirm There was no such thing in the Speech and the Speech he did deliver to some Privy-Counsellor and added That he never heard my Lord publickly or privately say those words They must expect Laws from the King as from a Conqueror We desire to know Whether the Witness was returned out of England when this Remonstrance was delivered For the Commons Charge it thus That the House of Commons delivered a Petition to have the Laws executed according to the Instructions upon which the words were spoken and we believe Sir George Wentworth was not come back and then it was impossible he should hear him for it was after the Parliament had sate and some proceedings had I observe How it is in some of the Witnesses for my Lord Gorminstone fixed it on the first beginning of the Parliament He spake it to the occasion of the Petition but the distinct time he doth not remember Sir George Wentworth being asked touching the time of his going into England He desired to know what time the Petition was delivered but he went over some few days after the Subsidies were granted
Lord Robert Digby being asked Whether at the Parliament at Dablin or any other time he ever heard my Lord of Strafford speak those words He Answered That he never did that he doth not know whether he was present at that time or no that he did diligently wait but doth not remember the words nor occasion but he thinks he was not present Your Lordships have heard my Lord of Strafford's Defence with much patience That he hath said nothing that takes off the Charge but some things that aggravate it That he would answer the Particulars as his Lordship had propounded them And first he observed That his Lordship denies not the words Charged which makes greater way for proof of them He informs of the ill Fortune of other Governors that one was Attainted and the Informations afterwards retracted that my Lord of Faulkland was complained of yet a Noble and good Governor against whom or any Deputy we can say nothing But what is this for my Lord Strafford to say Others were questioned therefore he is Innocent These were complaints of particular men This against my Lord of Strafford is the complaint of all the Commons of England It is said here is no Treason in this Article no Argument of Treason but the Commons never pressed these words singly and dividedly to be Treason but take all together they discover that Disposition that Counsel that Resolution that my Lord of Strafford had taken on him the ruine and subversion of the Common Law in both Kingdoms It is said an Answer is put in and no Replication It is true in other Courts if you go on Bill and Answer the Answer is taken pro Confesso but the Commons desire not to bind up my Lord of Strafford with Formalities but by the substance of their Charge they have averred their Charge which is as much as a denial of his Answer To there being another Government in Ireland than in England my Lord himself spoke of it by himself but he thinks it will not be material to this purpose for whatsoever it is some Government there is but the Speech of my Lord tends to take away all Laws for they must expect Laws as from a Conqueror in that Limitation For his referring it to the time taking it in the sense that the then Conqueror might do what he pleased that 's true and justifiable But that is to suppose the words otherwise than they are being spoken not of the Kings that were before but of His Majesty that now is My Lord would make an Argument his words were well accepted because Mr. Slingsby heard nothing to the contrary the words had much Acrimony and Sharpness and we dare not believe the Mayor of Dublin durst tell my Lord of Strafford so or forbear any Complement to him though he had been displeased with him But if that be material the Witnesses that have proved the words will tell Your Lordships it was resented with a great deal of Grief and Sorrow in all the hearers His Lordship justifies what was spoken of the Charters on these grounds First That the Witness said they were Antiquated Charters and therefore did not bind whereas it was a scornful Epithite their Antiquated and Worm-eaten Charters did not bind It is said they were void through negligences questioned at Council-Table complained of in Parliament But they must take the words to pieces not altogether Had he spoken of the Charters alone that they were void Charters it were no crime no indiscretion But take it with the occasion and connexion it admits of no such mitigation or interpretation He tells them they are a conquered Nation and they must expect Laws as from a Conqueror And they are a conquered Nation and their Charters are no further good than the King pleases It is said It is strict to answer presently what may be objected and the Examinations are extrajudicial we doubt not but Your Lordships will justifie-our Proceedings nor is there any strictness in them for if a man be questioned of a Crime and several Evidences be brought to make up this Crime some concurrent some precedent they will be allowed of in other Courts It being never used to set forth in a Charge all circumstances of Proof The main is produced and this is an Evidence to prove that and it is within the Charge for there is a Charge that he corrupts the Laws and Government Then my Lord produces divers Witnesses who speak in a different sense Sir Robert King heard nothing another that he remembers nothing and if he remembers nothing it may as well be said of the rest That there might be something they did not hear or remember for they speak no more but they did not remember There may be something they forgot as well as another forget all My Lord Ranulagh says He remembers the first words and something as spoken of the second but he cannot tell how far So that there is rather a doubt that something was spoken to that purpose than otherwise The Lord Digby was not present Sir George Wentworth remembers not the words he hath a Copy of the Speech and is confident the words were not spoken But they were not spoken in the first Speech whereof there was a Copy when the Petition for the Laws was delivered And this is an Aggravation against my Lord of Strafford that by his own shewing there was an Exception taken when he spoke in a milder sense and to advance His Majesties Government it had an ill impression and was taken notice of and the Exception delivered to himself Now if after Exception taken to a Speech delivered in Parliament cloathed with so much mildness he in the same Parliament as soon as Subsidies are granted shall tell them they are a conquered Nation and shall not have Graces but such Laws as the King will give them This puts the Offence in higher terms than before so far are they from mitigation of the Offence We desire Witnesses may be heard concerning the circumstance of time Mr. Fitzgarret produced and Sworn Was asked whether he knew of a Petition delivered to the Earl of Strafford by the Commons concerning the Laws and how in time it followed the publick Speech at the beginning of the Parliament and what Answer was given to it He Answered That he was then a Member of the Commons House and present when the Petition was delivered But after the House of Commons had given the King six Subsidies the House of Commons entred into consideration of Petitioning for such things as were necessary and expedient for the Common-wealth as they thought this Petition was preferred to the Lord Deputy a good space of time after the Subsidies were granted and Advertisement sent to England of the good service done in obtaining those Subsidies from the House of Commons That he remembers not any part of the Answer given There was an Answer given in Writing either at Council-Table or in full Parliament from the House of
after my Lords coming into Ireland and before the Parliament and was the cause of the first Exception against him the said Sir Pierce Crosby for he reasoned it with his Lordship being at his own Table at Dinner there being then present and sitting next to him a Member of this Honourable House my Lord Castlehaven There were likewise my Lord Osmond and several others of the Council of Ireland The words were these That if he lived He would make an Act of State to be of equal Power with an Act of Parliament That he the Deponent thought his Lordship spoke it merrily and answered him in the same kind saying My Lord when you go about to do this I will believe some body will rise as an English Gentleman did in England and desire a Clause of Exception that it may not reach to himself his Kindred and Friends That my Lord of Strafford looked on him very earnestly and said He would take him whosoever he was and lay him by the heels That this was in Parliament time And he the Deponent would fain have qualified it but Parliament or not Parliament says my Lord Ireland is a Conquer'd Nation and the Conqueror should give the Law That he the said Sir Pierce Crosby Replyed My Lord then I beseech you give me leave I am one of those that must uphold an Act of State by all lawful ways having the Honour to be a Member of the Government though unworthy What will be alledged on the other part they will say an Act of Parliament attaints and restores Blood and doth many things an Act of State cannot reach to for it is confined within the limits of the Government That my Lord having not to Reply to this rose in some choller and told him the Deponent of something else he conceived he the Deponent had done amiss at Council-Board on a Statute that was in debate And so the Manager concluded the Article with thus much more The Article in the conclusion of it charges him with scorning the Government and Laws And it was desired their Lorships would take notice of what is proved out of these words and the concurrent proof Yesterday The Earl of Strafford begins his Defence saying First I must stand upon the truth of my Answer which must be good till it be denied so far as goes to matter of Misdemeanor I have not had time to examine Witnesses having not liberty till Friday last which I urge by way of excuse if my Answers give not full satisfaction Here is an Order of the House of Commons there whereby your Lordships may perceive how unlikely I am to have any thing from Ireland that may work to my Justification which was read and bears Date 25. February 1640. Authorising those undernamed to go aboard any Ships and seize search and break up all Trunks Chests and Cabins aboard To seize on all Silver and Gold except small Sums and all Debts Evidences and Writings as they shall think fit of him the said Earl of Strafford This his Lordship conceived to be a great Violation of the Peerage of the Kingdom For making good of his Answer his Lordship Alledged That the Council-Board of Ireland is a Court of Record which differs much from the Council-Board of England and that they proceed there by Bill Answer Examination Publication and all the formal courses of legal Proceedings That my care to preserve the Authority of the Deputy and Council is not a Subversion of the Laws Only it directs it and puts the execution of the Law another way That for Reasons of State it must be preserved being the place of Resort for Protection and Defence of the English Planters and Protestant Clergy I shall produce and acknowledge the Instructions made 22 Iac. and I shall read part that bounds the Council-Board particulary mentioned in the Reply to the Third Charge I desire a Book may be read a Book in the hands of Mr. Denham containing certain Answers given by the Lord Chichester to certain Complaints made against that State and written with Mr. Baron Denham's own hand which on debate was Resolved not to be read being written only for a private Remembrance I shall refer to my Lord Ranulagh's Deposition the other day to satisfie your Lordships touching the Proceedings at Council Table To prove the Council-Board to be a Court of Record Robert Lord Dillom being asked Whether before my Lord Strafford's time he had not known always during his memory the Deputy and Council in all causes of Plantation and the Church proceed by Petition Answer Examination of Witnesses Publication and Hearing as in other Courts of Equity and upon Oath He Answered That he remembers in my Lord Chichester's time of Government it was the practise of the Board so to do That he remembers it in my Lord Grandison's time that he had the Honour to be called to the Council-Board under my Lord Faulkland's Government and knew it then And it was in the Justices time that preceded my Lord Strafford's Government To have Petitions Examinations of Witnesses Publication a day of hearing granted and all ordinary Proceedings Being asked Whether at that Board they have not been punished who have disobeyed Proclamations and Acts of State before my Lord Strafford's time and how long He Answered That out of his Observation at Council-Table Acts of State were made because of the scarcity of Parliaments that they might be a Supplement to Acts of Parliament that he hath known before and when he sate at the Board on contempts of these Acts of State or Proclamations which he said he had heard the Judges say to be a kind of Law of the Land for the present the Parties were Attached brought to the Board and upon full Examination of the Cause and Proof of the Contempt sometimes Imprisoned sometimes Fined according to the Delinquency and Degree of the Offence supposed to be committed Being asked of Fines in Cases between Party and Party He Answered That he doth not remember any Fine imposed in a special Cause betwixt Party and Party Sir Adam Loftus being asked to the same purpose He Answered It hath ever been since his remembrance the constant Practise there in Causes of the Church and Plantation to proceed on Petition Answer c. and Fines imposed on Breakers of Publick Acts of State and Proclamations But he remembers not any Fines for Contempts in case of particular and private Interest We shall admit it to have Cognizance of matters of Plantation and Church and such as are recommended from the King to the Council here But not to be a Court of Record From these Proofs I infer That the Council-Board there hath another Constitution then here where it is only a Court of State I shall produce the Order made in my Lord of Corke's Case which I observe to be in the Case of the Church and so within the Cognizance of Deputy and Council The Order was read being signed by Sir Paul Davis
and acknowledged by my Lord of Corke to be Sir Paul Davis's hand Upon reading whereof my Lord of Strafford observed That it appears to be a Church-Cause That the Order was just and that the Clause for the Plaintiffs giving of Security to answer the mean Profits which my Lord of Corke said was struck out of the Order and for my Lord of Corke's liberty to bring his Action at Law only he was limited to prosecute it within a year Mr. Leake was produced by my Lord of Strafford and being asked what Authority he hath known the Council-Board in Ireland to exercise both before my Lord of Strafford's coming thither and since in Causes of the Church and Plantation and concerning Contempts to Proclamations and Acts of State and what Countryman he is He Answered That his name is Leake of Leake in the County of Nottingham where he said his Family hath continued 400 years That it is 14 years since he went into Ireland and before this Lords-Deputies time and before that time he did not observe any restraint from Injunctions on the Council-Board till the Instructions published and they did stay them That they proceeded by Injunction Process Bill Answer Examination and other Courses as in the Chancery of England And since the same course hath been held And my Lord of Strafford hath had in the Castle-Chamber divers Causes of Law argued before him concerning the Church wherein one Chadwick and divers others were convented thirty times when he the Examinant was there and heard them twenty he is sure but he thinks thirty But my Lord of Strafford did forbear to give Sentence till he heard these Causes argued That 14 years he hath been very well versed in that Kingdom that he hath known Injunctions have gone out from thence to stay Proceedings in Causes where they have Power of Jurisdiction that he hath known my Lord Chancellor Loftus that was to grant an Injunction without Bill and before any Complaint depended before him and that he himself had the Injunction granted Being asked about the time of his going into Ireland He said he went betwixt 1627. and 1628. Whence observe that the Witness hath made an Observation of the Instructions five years before he came into Ireland Being asked some other questions touching the occasion of his going into Ireland and how he came to take notice of the Proceedings there He Answered He hath been there at several times to pursue some Tenants of his that fled into Ireland and by reason of the Suits and Petitions he prosecuted in his own Right he had occasion to enquire after Proceedings there having been there for the most part of 14 years To the Statute of 28 H. 6. which the Commons have pressed as a Rule for the reâ—ing of Causes to their proper Courts and to annihilate all these Proceedings before the Deputy and Council and before the Deputy alone in his particular Jurisdiction in the nature of a Court of Requests in England I reserve my self to have my Council give satisfaction therein Only desire your Lordships to observe the last Clause saving the King's Prerogative These Proceedings are not against Magna Charta they being according to the Laws and Customs of the Land though it be not the Custom of England And if he hath been an Innovator it hath been to conform Ireland by all ways he could in Religion and Laws to the better and more excellent Pattern of England To the Objection made against Mr. Gwyn he is altogether unknown to me only was recommended to me and here is a Certificate that Gwyn is Master of Arts but that was not read nor insisted on To the matter of words Charged upon him He Answered That words without Fact can be no matter of Treason though of a higher nature then these That words are to be charged within a limited time 1 E. 6. Ca. 12. whereby it is provided That none shall be Impeached concerning Treason for words only if the party being within the Realm be not accused within thirty days If out of the Realm within six months c. Which Proviso his Lordship read and reserved to his Council farther to apply it For the words spoken to my Lord of Corke That neither Law nor Lawyers should dispute my Orders I conceive I might justifie the speaking of them if the Orders and Acts of State be justly warrantable and honourably made Yet it is improbable I should speak the words when the Order refers it self to Law If they were spoken they are at the highest indiscreet and foolish and it is a heavy thing to punish me for not being wiser than God Almighty hath made me For the last words That I would make the said Earl and all Ireland know That so long as I had Government there An Act of State made or to be made should be as binding as an Act of Parliament I observe my Lord of Corke's quick memory that could swear them roundly without missing a letter or sillable as they are laid in the Charge That these words are only in the Charge and so only to be answered to And for Answer I say That in case of an Act done they may be brought collaterally as an inducement to prove the intention But the Act must be proved before they can touch me as of Treason My Lord of Corke is a single Witness and by a Proviso 1 E. 6 Ca. 12. no person after the first of February then following is to be Arraigned c. of Treason c. for any words to be spoken after the said first of February unless the Offendor be accused by two sufficient Witnesses or should without violence confess them To the words spoken of by the other Witnesses being the same in effect I am not to answer being extrajudicially proved and spoken in other places and times than I am Charged withall Yet I think they might be fairly interpreted For if an Act of State be not made against an Act of Parliament or a Fundamental Law of the Land but consistent with it and made by way of provision for remedying some present Mischief in the Common-wealth till the Parliament may provide Redress for it They are as binding during the time they are in force as an Act of Parliament though I confess the Comparison is not good because they be made according to Law and Justice according to the Fundamental Laws of the Land wherein the Prerogative of the Crown hath a part as well as the Property of the Subject For if the Propriety of the Subject as it is and God forbid but it should continue be the second undoubtedly the Prerogative of the Crown is the first Table of that Fundamental Law and hath something more imprinted upon it For if it hath a divinity imprinted upon it it is God's Annointed It is he that gives the Powers And Kings are as Gods on Earth higher Prerogatives than can be said or found to be spoken of the Propriety or Liberty of
the Subject and yet they go on hand in hand and long may they do so long may they go in that Agreement and Harmony which they should have done hitherto and I trust shall be to the last not rising one above another in any kind but kept in their own wonted Channels For if they rise above these heights the one or the other they tear the Banks and overflow the fair Meads equally on one side and other And therefore I do and did allow and ever shall for my part desire they may be kept at that Agreement and perfect Harmony one with another that they may each watch for and not any way watch over the other And therefore this being a Care of the Prerogative as long as it goes not against the Common Law of the Land it is the Law of the Land and binds as long as it transgresses not the Fundamental Law of the Land being made provisionally for preventing of a Temporary Mischief before an Act of Parliament can give a Remedy And this Condition must be implyed That it must be binding provided it be according to the Law of the Land I instance in that Exception that King Iames would take when a man saies he will do a thing as far as he may with Conscience and Honour because in Persons of Conscience and Honour those words are always implied That the Wisdom of our Ancestors hath prevented this Mischief That for a mis-word a Peer of England should lose his Priviledge being as great as any Subjects that live under a King that is not a free Prince of the Empire And the Preamble of a Statute in Queen Elizabeths time the very bent whereof is to take away the dawning of words without any further Act which Preamble was read to their Lordships And so I conclude the words were unwisely spoken because they may be brought to a hard sense but not Criminal for none of them swear any thing done in breach of the Law I except against my Lord Kilmallock's swearing Sir George Ratcliffe to be my Eccho as if he knew my thoughts and against Mr. Hoy as a party concerned in Interest though not in name in a Suit that is or will be brought against me before your Lordships come to the end of the Charge I confess Mr. Waldron's Testimony makes me stagger being the only person could make me believe I said the words I except against Sir Pierce Crosbies Testimony having been formerly Sentenced in Star-Chamber and I know what Sir Pierce Crosby swore there and that I never Communed with him so far as to have such a Discourse as is mentioned in all my life To the Suit in the Castle-Chamber against the Earl of Corke on pretence of breaking an Order of Council-Table I conceive it had relation to an Order made in King Iames his time 20. March 11 Iac. which I desire may be read being now produced as also the Information there exhibited that so I may justifie my Answer in that point of it That the Suit was not upon that Act alone but for other matters also but that was admitted by the Committee And so the reading of them was waved To that Point of Mr. Waldron's Testimony touching the offering of a Lease to the Person concerned rendring the half value I conceive this Circumstance qualifies the words it being according to Law To demonstrate which the Statue was read That no Lease shall be granted upon which less is reserved to the Lessor during 21 years then the moiety of the Lands value And so his Lordship concluded his Defence and the Manager made Reply in substance as followeth That this Article proves my Lord of Strafford's Intention to subvert the Laws That the long time spent in maintaining the Jurisdiction of the Council-Board is the least part of the Article That though these words singly be admitted not to be Treason yet several words and actions must prove the general Charge of his endeavouring to subvert the Laws To the several Provisoes in that Act of Parliament mentioned by my Lord of Strafford concerning words we observe That the words Charged are only matter of Evidence to his general Intention of subverting the Laws And whereas he says they are not charged in time the Commons bring this as done long ago and continuing to this day if he were not prevented so they take him Flagrante Crimine To the Practise of the Council-Table before his time his Witnesses have proved their proceedings in Cases of the Church and Plantations But in other Cases we deny it for it is contrary to Law That admitting the extent given by the Instructions to Church-Causes though the Proclamation hath no such exception Yet it comes not to the Case of my Lord of Cork who claimed the thing in question as a Lay-Impropriation derived to the Crown by the Statute of Dissolution That my Lord of Strafford makes this Government Arbitrary in threatening the Earl of Cork to lay him by the heels if he went to Law whereas the Order gave him liberty That the Original Order in my Lord of Corke's Cause was drawn with these words put out concerning Gwyn's giving Security and that justifies my Lord of Cork's Testimony That notwithstanding my Lord of Strafford's justification of his words That neither Law nor Lawyers should question his Orders This is to assume an Arbitrary Power for if his Orders be legal the Law must justifie them if not question them That the words Of making an Act of State equal to an Act of Parliament are proved by my Lord of Corke and those spoken are a confirmation of those before and expresly within the Article The latter point thereof recites that he spake the words at other times This altogether justifie my Lord of Corke's Testimony though a single Witness and prove that my Lord of Strafford hath made it a habit to speak such words That they have one Witness more and that is my Lord of Strafford himself who says He never spake any thing but truth and said That he would make an Act of State equal to an Act of Parliament We desire that for the taking off the Aspersion cast on Sir Pierce Crosby my Lord of Castlehaven may be examined touching the words alledged to be spoken in his presence The Earl of Castlehaven being sworn and examined touching the said words Answered That it is a business past long ago and but a Table-discourse and he took not much notice of the Circumstances But as he remembers there fell a difference between my Lord of Strafford and Sir Pierce Crosby within three or four months after my Lords coming over and that as well as he can remember my Lord of Strafford did say That an Act of State was equal to an Act of Parliament but he remembers not the occasion That the Justice of the Order in my Lord of Corke's Cause is not material or whether within the Jurisdiction of the Council-Table the Charge being That upon such
an Order made my Lord of Strafford threatned the Earl of Corke for Suing at Law That the Justification brought by my Lord of Strafford is an Aggravation restraining Liberty to Sue at Law to a year else to be concluded for ever Whereas my Lord of Strafford says he hath spoken unwisely but done nothing sure he that Threatens doth something and his Actions will appear in the next Articles For the Priviledge of Peerage It were to be wished he had known or remembred it sooner in my Lord Mountnorris his Case That though he says Acts of State are to be allowed for temporary provision till an Act of Parliament yet when things are propounded and rejected in Parliament shall he supply it by an Act of State We desire to examine one Witness more The Earl of Strafford excepting against it as not regular the Lords Adjourned to their House to take consideration of it And a little after returning the Lord Steward declared their Lordships Resolution That the Witness might be examined The matter in question arising from what was offered from the Earl of Straffords Defence Roger Lotts Sworn and examined what words my Lord of Strafford gave out when an Act for Powder would not pass in the Commons House and what Act of State was thereupon made He Answered That he had the Honour to be one of the Members of that Parliament that began 1634. and ended April 1635. That at the Close of that Parliament my Lord of Strafford then Lord Deputy told the House of Commons then sent for up That they had Voted against some Bills in the lower House amongst the rest that of Gun-powder where it was made Felony for any man to buy or have any unless he got a License first for it That my Lord afterwards told them That notwithstanding they had Voted against it yet he would make that and some other Bills they had Voted against Acts of State that should be as good and said he heard it was done afterwards but he doth not know that This Witness is something of Justification of my Lord of Corke's Testimony against which my Lord of Strafford hath made some Exception And the Lord Digby added something for the Justification of my Lord of Killmallocks Testimony against which my Lord of Strafford had likewise excepted And so the Reply was concluded To the Deposition of Roger Lotts my Lord of Strafford Answered I had received direction concerning Powder it being not conceived fit for Reasons of State to buy and have Powder at pleasure or that that Commodity should be so frequently brought into the Kingdom and committed to unsafe hands so in that point I did but what I was commanded out of many Reasons which I desire I may forbear to express it not conducing to my Acquittal or Condemnation And so the Lords Adjourned The Sixth day Saturday March 27. 1641. THE Fifth Article The Charge That according to such his Declarations and Spéeches the said Earl of Strafford did use and exercise a Power above and against and to the Subversion of the said Fundamental Laws and Established Government of the said Realm of Ireland extending such his Power to the Goods Freé-holds Inheritances Liberties and Lives of his Majesties Subjects of the said Realm and namely the said Earl of Strafford the Twelfth day of December Anno Domini 1635. in the time of full Peace did in the said Realm of Ireland give and procure to be given against the Lord Mountnorris then and yet a Peér of the said Realm of Ireland and then Uice-Treasurer and Receiver-general of the Realm of Ireland and Treasurer at War and one of the Principal Secretaries of State and Kéeper of the Privy Signet of the said Kingdom a Sentence of death by a Council of War called together by the said Earl of Strafford without any Warrant or Authority of Law or Offence deserving any such punishment And he the said Earl did also at Dublin within the said Realm of Ireland in the month of March in the Fourtéenth year of his Majesties Reign without any Legal or due Procéedings or Trial give and cause to be given a Sentence of Death against one other of his Majesties Subjects whose name is yet unknown and caused him to be put to Death in Execution of the same Sentence THe Manager began to open this Article shewing That though my Lord of Strafford insisted on it That whatever his words were his Actions were not against Law This Article comes properly to reply to that Answer It charging him with exercising of a Tyrannical Power over the Person of a Peer of that Realm And first It was desired that the Sentence of Death against my Lord Mountnorris might be read which was attested on Oath to be that which was delivered by Mr. Secretary Windebanck upon the Commons humble Suit to His Majesty for His leave to have a Copy thereof That the Papers concerning my Lord Mountnorris might be delivered into the House occasioned upon my Lord Mountnorris his Petition to the House in that behalf The Sentence was read Reciting first His Majesties Letter Iuly 21. then last wherein notice is taken of the Respect due to the Deputy and General of His Majesties Army and of the Carriage of my Lord Mountnorris holding a Captains place in the Army in uttering Speeches inciting a Revenge on the Earl of Strafford Lord Deputy and Lord General and Command thereby given on receipt thereof to call a Councel of War and that the Lord Mountnorris should undergo such censure as the said Councel of War should impose for the Lord Deputies full reparation Secondly That a Councel of War was accordingly called the words are also set forth and the occasion as followeth That within three or or four days after the Lord Deputy had Dissolved the Parliament his Lordship sitting in the Presence Chamber one of his Servants in moving a Stool happened to hurt the Lord Deputies Foot then indisposed through an accession of the Gout which being spoken of at the Lord Chancellors Table one said to the Lord Mountnorris being there present it was Your Lordships Kinsman who is one of the Lord Deputies Gentlemen Ushers that did it Whereupon the Lord Mountnorris publickly and in a scornful and contemptuous manner answered Perhaps it was done in Revenge of that publick Affront that my Lord Deputy did me formerly But I have a Brother that would not have taken such a Revenge Thirdly The Sentence likewise sets forth That the Lord Mountnorris would not Answer the said Charge negatively or affirmatively though required by the Councel of War Fourthly That thereupon the Witnesses for proof thereof were called viz. Viscount Moore and Sir Robert Loftus who upon Oath deposed the same words to be so then and there spoken and the Lord Mountnorris at last submitted himself to the Councel protesting that whatsoever interpretation might be put upon his words he intended no hurt to the person of his said Lordship
at Board with him and required him to give his Testimony who had an Oath given him by the Lord Deputies command by the Clerk of the Council and referred himself to what he and Sir Robert Loftus had long before put under their hands Thereupon the Lord Deputy gave that Paper to the Clerk of the Council to read which was the Paper the Lord Deputy held in his hand and out of which he had read the Charge And that being shewed to my Lord Moore he said to his best remembrance those were the words spoken Sir Robert Loftus was also called in and he being required to give his Testimony referred himself to that which he and my Lord Moore had put under their hands and being shewed him with his hand to it he affirmed it Then my Lord Deputy asked me what I could now say since the words were proved to my face I humbly told his Lordship and made solemn protestation and offered to take my Oath That I did never speak the words as I was able to prove by several Witnesses and desired That the Lord Chancellor at whose Table they were spoken and Judge Martial of the Kingdom then in Town might be summoned to give his Testimony for truth and Sir Adam Loftus his Son and near twenty others and desired they might be examined in the Cause and that I was well able to prove that the words charged to be spoken by me were not spoken by me but by others as to that part that concerns the Affront but his Lordship refused me to have any examined Being asked whether all the Army was then on the march as my Lord of Strafford had said in his Answer He Answered There was at that time three or four or five Companies I am not able to say how many When my Witnesses were refused and I had made my protestation that I had not spoken them and was ready to prove it my Lord Deputy Answered That he knew my Oathes and Protestations well enough I took Exception to the Testimony of the Lord Moore and Sir Robert Loftus as I might in a Legal way But my Lord Deputy rebuked me and spoke in commendation of them and bid my Lord Moore sit down now and be one of my Judges And thereupon commanded me to withdraw which I did and went out into a Gallery by where I stayed about the space of half an hour I think not more I am sure not an hour and was then called in and at the beginning was required to Kneel as a Delinquent which I conceived I was not having endeavoured always to shew my self a faithful Officer Then my Lord Deputy commanded Sir Charles Coote to pronounce the Sentence as Provost Martial of Connaught which he did briefly in effect as in the Sentence And my Lord Deputy took occasion to make a Speech and told me invectively enough amongst other things there remained no more now if he pleased but to cause the Provost Martial to do Execution But withall added That for matter of Life he would supplicate His Majesty And I think he said he would rather lose his Hand than I should lose my Head which I took to be the highest scorn to compare his the Lord Deputies Hand with my Head I said I never did and hoped I never should endanger my Head by Offending His Majesties Laws I was hereupon commanded to be taken to Prison by the Constable of the Castle who took me thence away what past in the time of my absence I knew not but the Articles I was charged with breach of were not declared nor I urged to Answer if I had I could have Answered I knew of no such Articles nor ever saw them till Iune 1636. published by his own Authority and made in time of War And though made for regulating of the Army yet were never put in practice And on a Conference with some of the Council of War I was informed they differed in Opinion amongst themselves and some moved both the Articles might not be pressed And his Lordship Answered he would have both or none Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion how long after the Sentence given he remained a Prisoner in the Castle I was Committed the 12th and remained until the 18th and was not released by any Favour of my Lord Deputy but on a Certificate of the Physitians and that not admitted but upon Oath That I was in peril of my Life and a Petition drawn by them that had more care of my Health than my self being so afflicted in body and mind with the high Injustice and Oppression I had that I was extreamly ill and was then remitted on Security given by the Chief Justice in 2000 l. Bond to be a Prisoner Being asked on the Committees behalf whether he was not taken to Prison again and how long he continued in Prison for this Cause I continued at my House and was very ill and after that several times was called to the Council-Table by my Lord Deputy and an Information exhibited in the Star-Chamber for pretended Crimes which I shall ever desire to Answer in any publick Legal Judicature rather than live And I was imprisoned again the 11th of April being sent for to my House and found with my Counsel about me preparing my Answer in the best manner I could and the Advice was I should demurr to that Information because I stood under the Sentence of death I was carried by the Constable to the Castle and brought before my Lord Deputy and the said 11th of April 1636. was committed close Prisoner and there continued till the second of May And I knew no other cause but that I had as he said neglected the Kings Grace and had sent my Wife into England and transgressed a Proclamation To which I answered I had not transgressed it that my Wife was full of Grief at my Calamities and I had sent her to save my Life Then my Lord Deputy told me that I had refused the Kings Grace offered me in not accepting his Pardon which I thought not Legal for me to take And thereupon Committed me Being asked on the Lord Lieutenants motion whether the Council were not present He Answered Some of the Council were present but my Lord Committed me the Council not speaking a word Being asked again about the time of his Commitment I was first Committed the 12th of December let go the 18th to my House Committed again the 11th of April put out the second of May I was then in great Extremity and admitted to my House again where I lay in a long continuing sickness and under the hands of Physitians And the 30th of Ianuary afterwards because I sued not out the Pardon was imprisoned again and there continued till March 1637. The Lord Dillom was called and after some exception taken by my Lord of Strafford to the examining of him because he might speak things that amount to an Accusation of himself the same was over-ruled
the Committee for the Commons declaring that they would make no use against him of any thing he should speak concerning himself His Lordship was thereupon Sworn and asked what my Lord of Straffords carriage was at the said Sentence not accusing himself He Answered That he was present at the Council on Summons to be there and the Council being set as a Council of War my Lord of Strafford did shew what they were called for and did set forth some Injuries he conceived done him by my Lord Mountnorris Upon that my Lord Mountnorris was spoken to and much interlocution there was before he would say he did speak the words or deny them and after much debate to and fro the Witnesses were called in my Lord Moore and Sir Robert Loftus and they did testifie the words in the Charge upon Oath much debate there was to call every particular to remembrance he cannot at this present but as near as he can he will that was before my Lord Mountnorris withdrew and after his withdrawing and some Speeches to the Council of War they came to Voting and in the Voting there was never a man to his remembrance in giving his Vote on both Articles but did profess he gave it in a confidence that there should be Mercy extended to my Lord Mountnorris and with an Intercession that he might find Mercy from His Majesty And when the Votes were all past my Lord of Strafford stretched forth his right Arm and protested he had rather have his Arm cut off or lose his right Arm than my Lord Mountnorris should lose a hair of his Head or a drop of his Blood for that cause and that he would write to His Majesty to supplicate Him for Mercy Being asked on the Committees motion whether my Lord of Strafford did not publish he had acquainted His Majesty with it and they were called together to give Reparation of some Injuries done to himself He Answered My Lord made a long Speech at that time setting forth the Charge and making mention of His Majesties Letter and His Majesties Letter was read and he did understand by my Lord Deputy it was to give Reparation but the particular words on his Oath he doth not remember Being asked whether some of the Council moving they might proceed on the Article that did not extend to Life my Lord of Strafford did not reply Nay both He Answered That he remembers very well it was proposed to the Council of War that they were to judge on both Articles And being asked by whom He said he will Ingeniously answer he believes my Lord of Strafford did but specially to say who or in what manner he cannot Being asked whether the Evidence given against my Lord Mountnorris was not written in a Paper drawn out by my Lord of Strafford and that the Witnesses referred to that wholly He Answered He did see a piece of Paper in my Lord of Straffords hand and believes it was some note for his remembrance what it was he knows not and when the Witnesses were brought in there was a paper to which they had set their hands of the words spoken Being asked other questions successively touching the pressing of the Councels proceedings on the Article only that touched not death and whether my Lord of Strafford wished them to proceed on both He Answered He remembers it not so prest on that occasion nor doth he remember whether such a Provision was made That the Proceedings should be on the Article that touched not Life Being asked whether any beside my Lord of Strafford moved they might proceed on both Articles He Answered He remembers in the debate the manner of proceeding was spoken of and to his best remembrance by the Discipline and Rule of the Army it was said he was to be proceeded against on both Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether the Earl of Strafford did not in plain and direct terms say He would not be a Judge in that Cause nor give a Vote by any means He Answered He remembers he gave no Vote and being more than five years since the special words he doth not remember but in general after he had set forth the Injuries done to himself he profest he would give no Vote but left it to the Council Being asked on the Lord of Straffords motion whether he did not desire the Council of War but to proceed as to any other Officer in the Army and what Sentence they should give he would not take ill He Answered When my Lord Mountnorris was withdrawn he spake not a word but did when he came in again He doth not remember the words Being asked whether the Army was not a great part of it in Dublin and in motion and daily exercised when the words were spoken by my Lord Mountnorris He Answered He cannot tell precisely whether the most part was there but there was a part of the Army there and they did exercise Being asked on the motion of the Committee whether the Sentence he approved so well of he thanked them for it He Answered That he doth not remember any special words but he thinks in Civility he would do it Being further asked whether after my Lord Mountnorris was withdrawn my Lord of Strafford did not continue in his place and sit at the Table end amongst the Council He Answered I do really believe he did so The Lord Strafford confessed he did when the Votes were delivered but desired the Lord Dillom might be asked whether he sate only as a party not as a Judge and sate bare through the whole proceeding of the Cause He Answered He doth not remember it particularly whether he sate bare all the while for it is long ago and he did not heed it The Lord Ranulagh being asked whether he was present at the Lord Mountnorris his Sentence and whether my Lord Strafford declared they were called together to give satisfaction for Injuries done him by my Lord Mountnorris He Answered That in this particular my Lord of Strafford was Nobly pleased to mention his tenderness of my Lord Dillom least he should be his own accuser He was pleased to mention something the other day wherein he had tenderness of him That he shall be as little fearful to speak the truth in this Cause as in that having been required by their Lordships as presuming he hath done nothing but what he may justifie That for that particular question he hath been heretofore examined in some particulars of it and shall now with the best of his memory repeat and offer to their Lordships according to his weakness every passage in it That he was summoned to appear in the Council-Chamber and as he takes it it was December 12. 1635. That being there my Lord sate in a Council of War and he amongst others having the Honour to wait on him my Lord Mountnorris's name being mentioned after he was set at the Board arose and stood as near my Lord Deputies Person as was fit
for him towards the upper end of the Table And there stood charged with several dis-respectful words spoken by him and the words mentioned in the Censure that was read were the words That he was charged to have spoken those words in breach of certain Articles by which the Army of Ireland was Governed the 13th and the 41st That there was much interlocution from my Lord Deputy to my Lord Mountnorris and returned from my Lord Mountnorris to my Lord the substance was That he was ready to give his Charge That he had violated those Articles That my Lord Mountnorris desired time to answer by Counsel and that he might have his Charge in writing That being not readily granted he insisted on it That he might have time to prepare his Answer but was told it was contrary to the form of that proceeding But whether that Objection of the form came from my Lord himself or from some other Member of the Board that I heard before named I cannot possibly say But thus stands the state of it my Lord Mountnorris neither confessing nor denying the Charge my Lord Deputy replyed Sir If you do neither confess nor deny the Charge how shall we proceed The Deputy called on the Lord Moore and said What shall we say to this business My Lord saith the Lord Moore what I can say is under my Hand That a little time after a Letter was read from the King whereby His Majesty was pleased to give direction to proceed in a Martial Court for Reparation and Honour of the Lord Deputy on the Complaint and Information given to the King That my Lord Mountnorris instantly fell on his Knees expressing a great deal of Grief and Sorrow and in truth Passion and had not much to say for himself and soon after was bid to withdraw and being withdrawn my Lord Deputy said That as he had complained to the King so he would expect that Honour from the Board That his Cause should be taken into consideration and such Redress given as was fit He demanded Justice according to the Articles insisted on And having declared it there was a silence amongst us for some time That he was the first that brake that silence and in as humble manner and terms as he could light upon did humbly desire my Lord Deputy to give him leave to ask whether he would give leave to wave either of those Articles but my Lord said he would demand Justice on both That this being so there was some Interlocution of discourse among the Council and in truth he thinks that he was one of the first that said that these Articles and the words cannot bear so good a construction but that there may be some danger of a breach upon these Articles Being asked whether the words were not represented to the Council of War in a Paper written and the Testimony given in pursuance of that Paper He Answered That as he remembers my Lord Moore having made a return to my Lord Deputy My Lord What I can say your Lordship hath under my hand he thinks my Lord Deputy said My Lord if you deny it I have it under your hand to shew And thereupon as he remembers the Clerk of the Council standing by had direction to draw up some Interrogatories which my Lord Moore did acknowledge and Sir Robert Loftus too did affirm that they were spoken by my Lord Mountnorris as much as was mentioned in the Paper Being asked how many Companies of the Army were then in Town how many in a Company and whether they were exercised in a more than ordinary Training and how many Companies the Army consists of He Answered That he thinks the Horse-Troops were 40 or 50 at the most some my Lords own The Foot-Companies were 50. And of those Companies there were he takes it two Horse-Troops besides my Lord 's own Troop and four Foot-Companies they were called up to guard and attend our Occasions in Parliament and they did their Duties as Souldiers every day as indeed my Lord of Strafford was careful of well exercising the Army as any General he ever saw and there are forty Companies of the old standing Army Being asked on my Lord of Straffords Motion Whether my Lord of Strafford did not declare he would not give Judgment in the Cause but Appeal to them as a Suitor for Reparation He Answered That my Lord of Strafford held them to the Point of the Articles demanding Justice on the Articles that he said sometimes he would depend on our Judgment in it and yet he would hold us to the Point of the Articles And further that if there were not a necessity of his being there he would have withdrawn too But my Lord would not give the Council a latitude to proceed according to the King's Letter for Reparation but he held them to the Point of the Articles Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's Motion Whether he did not tell my Lord Mountnorris when he went out of the Room that he would not speak a word till he came into the Room again and whether he did not do it accordingly and whether he sate bare all the while as a Party and not as a Judge In answer he desired leave to offer to their Lordships that he acquainted their Lordships before that as soon as my Lord Mountnorris was withdrawn my Lord did declare what he the Lord Renula had formerly said But after the Council fell into debate of it he spake not a word nor gave any interruption And he cannot positively say that he sate bare all the while Being asked Whether this was not in the time of full Peace and whether any Rebels or Enemies were in the Kingdom He Answered Certainly it was a time of very full and happy Peace To prove that in discourse concerning this Sentence my Lord said afterwards He would not lose the Honour or Share of it The Earl of Cork being asked to that purpose Answered That all he can remember is that the Sentence was publickly read in the Star-Chamber and my Lord said He would not lose his Share in the Honour of it but he cannot remember the day Lord Viscount Dillon asked to that purpose Answered That he happened to be in the Star-Chamber that day by my Lord of Strafford's Command and carried the Sword that day That the reading of the Sentence he remembers not but the words he heard That the Sentence given against my Lord Mountnorris by the Council of War was a noble and just Sentence and for his part he would not lose his share of the Honour of it The Commons proceeded to that part of the Charge which concerns the execution of another man by Martial Law William Castigatt sworn being asked several questions touching that part particularly Whether he knew one executed by Martial Law and by whom c. He Answered Yes his name was Thomas Denewitt and it was last Summer was two years that he was on the Green when he was
Communicate it to any man till I brought the Letter because I was resolved to speak of it to no man living and in conclusion left it wholly to the Council For the words That I would not lose my share in the Honour of that Sentence if I spake the words I meant the Justice and satisfaction done me by that Sentence being by the prime Officers of the Kingdom And whereas it was said yesterday that though I thought it hard to lay words to my Charge yet I thought it not hard to lay words to the Lord Mountnorris his Charge there is a difference between laying words to a man's Charge to Accuse and Condemn him of High-Treason to loss of Estate Life Honour and Posterity and pressing words to only two days Imprisonment being only intended to discipline my Lord Mountnorris and teach him to govern his Speech with more modesty His Defence to the business of Denwitt's Execution He confesses his Vote concurred and thinks he had Authority and may justifie it He produced the Sentence Dated 13. February 1638. where his Crimes are set forth to be the fellonious stealing of a quarrer of Beef and running away from his Colours in breach of the 9th and 6th Articles for which he was sentenced to Death according to the use of Martial-Law His Lordship opened the Nature of the Offence being committed at a time when the 500 men were attending to go to Carlisle and the Example might be dangerous and desired Sir George Mountnorris might be asked Whether Denwitt was not convicted to be guilty adding that he had been burnt in the hand and running from his Colours is death by the Laws of Ireland He produced a Statute of Ireland 20 H. 6. C. 19. whereby it is Enacted That every man that receives the King's Wages and departs from his Captain c. shall be proceeded against as a Felon As also the Statute 7 H. 7. C. 1. The departing of a Souldier from his Colours is Felony and the Offendor to undergo punishment of Law And 10 H. 7. all Laws formerly made in England are to be in force in Ireland and so that of 7 H. 7. For further clearing whereof he refers himself to the Council One of the Managers did make Reply in substance as followeth That if this Fact be not Treason yet it seems to prove his Intention to subvert the Law which is Treason Whereas he hopes for the King's Mercy so the Commons do as really trust for the King's Justice The Commission he insists on is limitted with Si opus fuerit and the King intends Execution according to Law Magna Charta and the rest of the Laws of England being of force in Ireland There hath been an Army in pay in Ireland since Henry the Eighths time and so there are some in pay here in Portsmouth and Plymouth and yet it follows not England must be Governed by Martial-Law The Lord Wilmott was produced by him to justifie the publishing of Orders and exercise of Martial Law in Ireland But we Appeal to your Lordships Whether he gave Testimony of executing any by Martial-Law Sir Adam Loftus says There are Provost-Marshalls and they do use to put men to death but they are Rebels whom they execute which squares not with this Case only that of Sir Thomas Wayneman is a full President For the King's Letter it is written on his Information and if the King's Ministers misinform him He is just before God and men and the Letter directs Reparation as it was fit there should be My Lord pretends he was no Judge in the Cause your Lordships may remember who procured the Letter to proceed and who sate there to manage the business though he sate with his Hat off if he would have been indifferent he should have left the Counsellors to themselves And when some moved they might proceed on one Article he cryed both and so he was the Procurer of the Sentence with which he is charged not with the Voting of it He pretends he sate by and said nothing yet no man talked more at the Sentence than himself He proves not the Course of Martial-Law and there is a Judge-Marshal to whom in any proceedings in a Martial way address should be made and it was desired he might be called to testifie how they went about it Another of the Managers did add by way of Reply That whereas my Lord of Strafford insists much as if Martial-Law were part of the same Law of Ireland but the 25 E. 3. is in force there and that is recited in the Petition of Right in force here as the ground why Martial-Law ought not to be in England and therefore there is the same ground why it should not be in Ireland For that Commission he speaks of Opus est is Martial-Law when there is bellum flagrans but what need was there of Martial-Law in my Lord Mountnorris his Case when he would rather lose his Hand than the Sentence be executed For the Orders made by my Lord Wilmott and others there is difference between making an Order in way of terror for fear of Execution and putting that thing in execution Many Witnesses are produced to prove the practise but not one speaks in point of Execution unless upon Rebels and Traytors and such as would not come into Law whereas my Lord Mountnorris was had into the Law Whereas he takes the Example of those before him the Commons cannot see the Restrictions put upon his Commission for Martial-Law but in the preceding Deputies time there was a limitation that the Provost should leave the Souldiers to trial at Law except in time of War and Rebellion The Statute of 20 H. 6. is against him for it makes the Souldiers running from his Colours Felony and certainly meant it should be tried by that Law that makes it Felony which would have given him the benefit of Clergy not by Martial-Law And though he thinks he may justifie it he falls at last to a Pardon He says He acquainted no body before hand with the business but if he may give the Interpretation he will be sure to put a good end to it if he would not prepare the Council for Justice why should not the Delinquent be prepared The words are pretended to be spoken in April my Lord of Strafford procures the King's Letter in Iuly and questions it not till December here is no opus est The very words of the Order the Witnesses were examined by our Command which make it his own One of the Managers desired that two of the Instructions of former Deputies might be read To this my Lord of Strafford excepted as supplemental and dangerous and not warranted by any other Judicature After some debate touching the admitting of my Lord of Ely to be examined to the Course of Martial-Laws in Ireland being new matter arising out of his Answer It was Resolved that he should be examined only to that new matter The Earl of
Ely sworn was examined what was the proceedings of the Marshalls Court when he was Judge-Marshall and how long he had been so He Answered He was 40 years since Judge there and for the manner of proceeding There was never any Deputy or Governor of that Kingdom but they had a Commission of Martial-Law to be exercised in the time of their Government but the exercise of that Law was two-fold one was Summary the other was Plenary That which was Summary and short was committed to the Provost-Marshall that sought after the Rebels and Kernes that kept the Woods These when they were apprehended the Provost-Marshall hanged them on the next Tree and this was in poor Cases where the estate of the party that prosecutes is not worth 40 s. In the second which is the Plenary proceeding there are three Considerations to be had of the time the place and the person the time must necessarily be in time of War the place in the Field and the persons must be such as are subject to the Rule of Martial-Law And the proceeding was thus The parties complained the other appearing an Information was drawn in writing Witnesses produced and reduced in writing a Sentence given absolutely or condemnatory and the Party punished or acquitted and the Warrant directed to the Provost-Marshall to put the Judgment in Execution But when the Army was dissolved and every one returned to their own home Souldiers Captains and Commanders this Power ceased and was no farther executed for it had been an extraordinary damage to His Majesty that by the Martial-Law every one should be tried for he loses nothing but his life not his Lands or his Goods and therefore the proceeding without was so slow and seldom that he had not remembred any man of quality worth 100 l. or 200 l. in thirty years to have been executed by Martial-Law Here the Manager did offer the Instructions given in my Lord Faulkland's time which Mr. Fitz-Gerard testified to be by him examined with the Original in the Signet-Office as to the 33. and 34th Articles Part of the Instructions were read viz. 33. Such as are to be brought to Trial at Law are not to be executed by the Marshal except in time of War and Rebellion One of the Managers observed That my Lord of Strafford would have Power of Martial-Law over my Lord Mountnorris but would not execute him which shews he desires not blood so much as Power of blood that the Law of all the Peers might be under his Girdle and he besought their Lordships to consider it Whereas he said The blood of their Lordships Ancestors was spent in the Irish Wars this way their own blood may be spent in the Peace of Ireland and Peace of England c. My Lord of Strafford taking notice of some words charging him that my Lord Mountnorris lost his Offices in that Sentence In way of Answer said That they were lost in a Sentence in the Castle-Chamber for Misdemeanors fully proved and by himself confessed and therefore His Majesty disposed of them To which one of the Managers Replyed That there was no sentence in the Castle-Chamber against him And so after some Discourses and Resolution touching the Method of the Proceedings about the next Articles the House was Adjourned The First day Monday March 29. 1641. THE Sixth Article The Charge That the said Earl of Strafford without any Legal Procéedings and upon a Paper-Petition of Richard Rolstone did cause the said Lord Mountnorris to be disseized and put out of possession of his Freehold and Inheritance of his Mannor of Tymore in the County of Armagh in the Kingdom of Ireland the said Lord Mountnorris having béen 18 years before in quiet Possession thereof MR. Glyn opened the Sixth Article setting forth the Execution of an Arbitrary Power by the Earl of Strafford contrary to Law in point of the Estates of His Majesties Subjects by disseizing and putting the Lord Mountnorris a Peer out of Possession of Lands of 200 l. a year which he had possessed 18 years before on a Paper-Petition without any Rules of Justice during the said Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment contrary to an Act of Parliament read the other day to King Iames his Instructions to the directions of His Majesties Proclamation and the Rules of proceeding in the Kingdom of Ireland The Decree made in the Cause betwixt Rolstone and my Lord Mountnorris was first offered the Manager observing that it was nothing to the matter whether the Decree were just or unjust and that it never depended in the Chancery as is set forth in his Answer Thomas Little the Lord of Strafford's Secretary being sworn attested that the Copy produced was under his own hand And here my Lord of Strafford informed their Lordships that upon his Defence he would ask Mr. Little some questions desiring their Lordships to remember that he is upon his Oath The Decree was read Dated 28. Iuly 1637. whereby for the Reasons therein set forth and with the assistance of the Lord Chief Justice of the Common Pleas It was among other things Ordered That Henry Rolston should be put into quiet Possession of certain Lands therein mentioned Lord Mountnorris being Examined Whether he was put out of possession by Vertue of that Order and how long he had Possession of the Lands He Answered He was in quiet and peaceable Possession from May 20. till he was put out by my Lord of Strafford's Warrant August 29. 1637. as was written to him from an Agent that was there from the delivery of the Warrant to the Sheriff That he was all the while the business was in prosecution till his coming into England a little before his putting out of possession in prison under restraint for not suing out his Pardon upon the Sentence of the Council of War Mr. Anslow sworn and interrogated to the same purpose Answered That to my Lord Mountnorris's possession of the Lands he can say only by seeing the Accounts passed by former Receivers and the Patent my Lord Mountnorris had of the Land but for his being put out of the possession by the Order he found when he was left in Ireland about a year and half ago he was put out of possession by an Order of my Lord of Strafford and that he being there could have no Rents paid Henry Rolsion's Son being in possession the Father being dead Being asked Whether a Petition was not preferred for liberty to proceed at Law He Answered It was in his own behalf for the Land was estated on him by his Father And that he the Deponent being to pass his Land on the Commission of Grace Rolston Petitioned for it himself and therefore he the Deponent Petitioned it might be hindred to pass and that he might have his Right tried legally but he could get no Answer the Commissioners saying They sate not there to question any Lords Estate The Manager observed this to be the assuming
according to the Power of former Deputies yet not to meddle with Titles of Free-hold except in Cases of Equity but to refer Title of Free-hold to its proper Judicature and not to hear Causes where there is Priority in other Courts unless in case of Appeal for lack of Justice after due Obedience Power likewise the said Rules observed to call before him any person complained of and therein to make such Order and Decree as shall stand with Justice and to cause the same to be put in Execution Dated October 5. 9 Car. He then offered the first Decree in the Cause to be read that had formerly been read having relation to this bearing date May 23. 1636. And the same was read being Signed Wentworth Gerard Lowther c. Whence his Lordship observed That the Order was made for Relief of a poor man where my Lord of Mountnorris had by Violence and extream hard pressure possest himself of Lands worth 200 l. a year never paying out of his Purse above 30 l. the rest arising on a Letter procured for Sawing Mills and by interest at above 20 in the hundred wherein his Lordship had the Assistance of two Reverend and Learned Judges the Chancellor that now is and Sir Gerard Lowther That the Decree is in every part just and equitable and if he had not given relief he had been justly censured That the party is now in Town and means to complain and Sue for 600 l. more than he is yet allowed The Committee declared they insist not on the merit of the Cause as not being material And so my Lord of Strafford observed That he stands justified by the Kings Letter which makes things differ from what they did formerly and shew that the Power was there before and is now restored His Lordship further added that his Practice in exercising Jurisdiction was conformable to that Letter viz. That he medled not with Title of Land triable at Law nor with Causes which had priority of Suit in other Courts That he referred the business of the Provincial Courts to these Courts and many businesses to the Judges of Assize and none determined by him but upon full Hearing and Assistance of the Judges And whereas it is said my Lord Mountnorris was kept in Prison by reason of not Suing out the Pardon on his Sentence pronounced by the Council of War I will make it appear it was for Contempts in refusing to answer a Bill Exhibited against him on the Kings behalf in the Castle-Chamber Mr. Slingsby being asked touching that point Answered That he did constantly wait on my Lord to the Castle-Chamber and there heard the Information of the Kings Attorney against my Lord Mountnorris read and my Lord Mountnorris was called to Answer it several times and was committed to Prison for not Answering it but he cannot precisely speak to the time but he thinks he was left in Prison upon that till my Lords going into England Sir Adam Loftus asked touching the same point did first make his humble Suit that he might not be Examined in any Cause concerning my Lord Mountnorris for some reasons inducing him thereunto Which my Lord of Strafford said was because Sir Adam succeeded my Lord Mountnorris in the place of Vice-Treasurer and being required if that were all to speak notwithstanding He Answered That he conceives he was Committed for not answering the Information but the precise day of his Commitment and the time how long he cannot well remember Being asked whether he was not brought before the Deputy a day or two before he came away and refused to Answer and was thereupon Committed He Answered That it was true Being asked on the Managers motion whether he was not Committed on the old Sentence and remained in Prison on that He Answered That he doth not know If I had time to produce the Orders of the Castle-Chamber I could make it appear when my Lord Mountnorris was Committed and how long he continued so but he was Committed for that Contempt and remained Committed six Months I think before he would Answer which I would not speak if it were not true The Lord Dillon called and asked to the same purpose He Answered That the Judges of the Castle-Chamber are by Commission and that he is not of that Commission That the Deputy or Chief Governour calls by way of Assistance such as he pleases That he heard at Council-Board my Lord Mountnorris was Committed for a Contempt in not answering in the Star-Chamber but when it began or how long he knows not In Execution of this Jurisdiction I had no private advantage to my self nothing but trouble was gained by it no new thing was done but such as was formerly by all the Chief Governours there and such as I had special Warrant for from His Majesty I have observed the Rules that guide others in Chancery and other Courts of Equity and the Judges in their Circuits Therefore it can be no Subversion of the Laws for the same thing done by others hath been Legally done it differs only in respect of place being before my self and so cannot be Treason And though it might be Illegal here yet it is according to the Laws and Customs of Ireland by which I am to be judged for all things there done And the same is done by the Presidents of the North and of Wales who did familiarly receive Petitions from Poor people that cannot seek remedy by a Legal course and yet it is not Treason in England And it cannot sink into my understanding how the enlargement of a Jurisdiction should be strained to High Treason specially being warranted by ancient Practice and modern Authority being only according to the nature of a Court of Requests and not entrenching on the Jurisdiction of Law Courts And so I hope this will never rise up in Judgment against me as Treason either in it self or by way of Application The Manager began his Reply in substance as followeth Whereas my Lord of Strafford says This is not Treason this is the burden of his Song But this is one of the particulars that prove his design to subvert the fundamental Laws of both Kingdoms He will not acknowledge a cumulative Treason he must have a Treason over Shooes and Boots yet if he will look on it all together he shall see the horridness of it and it will prove as great a Treason as ever was presented to a House of Parliament The Manager opened the Article and said they dispute not whether if it had been done in Chancery or other Courts it had been well done but it is done by him without Rule of Law and hereupon he hath drawn to himself an Arbitrary Power Whereas my Lord of Strafford to take from himself the Act of Parliament 28 H. 6. enjoyning That Causes should be referred to the proper Courts urged the last words Saving the Kings Prerogative We do observe That when he is Charged with an Exorbitant proceeding
to the destruction of the Law he flies to the Kings Prerogative for shelter That to mention the Kings Prerogative in the face of the Peers of the Realm and in presence of all the Commons when he is charged with an Exorbitant proceeding to the Subversion of the Laws is but to cast a Scandal upon the Kings Prerogative and to make it have a worse relish whereas the Law supports the Kings Prerogative and the Subject supports it When his Answer is charged not to be according to Truth he casts a Gloss upon it from the easiness of his being mistaken whereas when he is able to justifie it he glories in it as that whereto he must stand or fall That the Letters Patents which my Lord of Strafford produces rise in Judgment against him for the King hath trusted him ad custodiendas leges Regni and therefore if he hath broken through them he hath broken his Trust. He says It is strange the exceeding of Jurisdiction should be laid to his charge as Treason He is charged with the Subverting of the Law and that 's more than the Exceeding of a Power He read the Instructions to warrant his Act and by these the Commons desire to be judged whether they do not in the Negative say there shall be no such Proceeding before the Deputy and yet he will imply there have been proceedings to the contrary which we cannot see He justifies his Proceedings by former Deputies and hath produced Henry Dillon who hath seen several Proceedings in Sir Henry Bagnalls time and others where Orders have been made by the Deputy alone but the Orders themselves are not brought whereas if they were looked on and consideration had what results out of them their Lordships would not have suffered them to be read without Attestation that they were true Copies But now whether they be entred or no or what other Proceedings there were the Witness doth not know and therefore they are no Evidence nor in truth ought to be offered And the Witness being asked what the Orders were he says one was a Reference and whether Witnesses were examined he says he doth not know He produces my Lord Dillon and we offer to be adjudged by him for he says He knew not any Deputy before my Lord of Strafford that hath intermeddled with matters of Land except in Plantation and Church Causes and this Order is charged to be made by him alone He pretends this is a Court and a Prerogative of the Sword We know not whether my Lord of Strafford intends to keep it by force but whereas he produceth a Commission for giving Oath to the Clerk of the Council this Commission needed not if it were a Court for the Court it self would give an Oath and whereas he mentions it to be in the nature of the Court of Requests we would gladly know whether there be not Authority in the Judge to give an Oath He produces several Orders in my Lord of Faulkland's time The first is expresly for Plantation Lands and there was no determination in Equity or otherwise The second Order he produced in my Lord Faulkland's time was a meer Green-cloth Case and nothing to this purpose The third Order produced was in a business recommended from England to my Lord of Faulkland and such Causes as are out of the Instructions excepted The Order in the Lord of Corke's time was but an Order of Reference to the Archbishop and a Reference is no Determination a private person may do as much So that we observe nothing hath been offered to prove that a Deputy alone hath determined matter of Possession and in this we rest with confidence That none ever did before himself and shall therefore desire the Examination of some Privy-Counsellors He produced a Letter from His Majesty to proceed in such Causes But if by Law it ought not to be then a Letter and Authority derived thereby is void and warrants not Proceeding in the Subject the Letter was as just as might be being obtained on his Information to whose Government and Trust His Majesty had committed the Kingdom and if he mis-inform he must Answer it And the Letter is written with caution giving Authority to proceed in matter of Equity as former Deputies had done and if it be not proved that his Predecessors had used such Proceedings where is his Authority He says he hath proceeded according to the direction of the Kings Letter that is he never determined Title of Land but in Equity and when such Causes have come to him he hath referred them to Law which we are forced to disprove that by offering it under his own hand that whereas a Nobleman of the Realm my Lord of Baltinglas had mortgaged to Sir Robert Parkhurst for 3000 l. Land of a 1000 l. year when Sir Robert had Title at Law and might as Mortgagor have entred after the day past Sir Robert prefers a Petition to my Lord of Strafford himself and he without the Council determines the Possession and takes it from the Mortgagee and afterwards he purchases the Lands himself and letts them for 680 and odd pounds a year For my Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment the Manager said That when his distressed Lady the Mother of Twelve Children Petitioned His Majesty declaring the great Distress her Husband suffered by the Tyrannical Power exercised over them His Majesty like a Gracious Prince referred it to the consideration of the Deputy That on submission he should deliver him out of Prison But when the poor Lady presented it with Tears in her Eyes and cast her self at his Feet though there was a Reference from His Majesty yet he that would at another time shelter himself under the Kings Prerogative refuses to give so much Respect as to entertain it and when the eldest Son came refused to accept it Another of the Managers added That whereas there is a restriction in the Kings Letter That the Earl of Strafford should not meddle with any thing in other Courts they would shew that after two Decrees in a Court my Lord hath on a Petition Decreed quite contrary and it was no Beggars Cause but a Knights and 5000 l. value That to the Kings Letter they will give all Reverence But if my Lord of Strafford had found such a constant practice to be proved he needed no Letter to set up the Jurisdiction that was in him before That this Letter under the Signet can give no Countenance against an Act of Parliament which Orders That the Deputy shall not meddle with Causes but remit them to their proper Courts and no other Exposition can be given of the saving of the Kings Prerogative but only a reservation of His Liberty to Sue in any Courts And for him to seek by mis-information to procure a Letter from His Majesty for a Power not warrantable by Law he conceives it an Abuse of His Majesty and that makes his fault the greater and he instanced in the Marquess of Dublin who for procuring
Letters Patents under the Great Seal to exercise a Power against Law was complained of in Parliament and had Judgment for it among other things of High Treason They proceeded to Proof And first The Earl of Corke being asked whether before my Lord of Straffords time he hath known the Deputy or Justices alone determine any matter of Land in Equity or otherwise He Answered He remembers not any except in cases of the Church and Plantation The Lord Ranulagh being asked to that point Answered Never any to his knowledge having been of the Table two and twenty years Sir Adam Loftus being asked to the same point Answered He remembers not any having been a Privy-Counsellor 20 years The Lord Mountnorris being asked to that point Answered He never knew any having been a Privy-Counsellor since 14 Iac. and lived in Ireland 38 years That he was there all the time of my Lord Chichester or very near and was so acquainted with his proceedings that he dare engage himself for all he is worth that the Lord Chichester never put any such Order under his hand The Earl of Bath Sworn and asked to that point Answered That he hath often heard the Deputy in cases of Debt for relief of poor men hath proceeded alone but in cases of Land he never heard of any To take off Henry Dillon's Testimony the Manager alledged That he had been Sentenced at the Council-Board for speaking untruths My Lord of Strafford desired the Exception might not be made some Exceptions by him made to Witnesses against him being not admitted and that there might be unum pondus una mensura The Manager Answered In eodem genere Mali. This Exception is not for Extortion or collateral matters but for Perjury Thereupon his Acknowledgment was read wherein he confesses he had highly transgressed against the Honour of His Majesty and the Board in presuming to declare apparent untruths And that such an Acknowledgment was made was testified by Sir Adam Loftus and likewise by the Lord Dillon who shewed their Lordships the occasion thereof To the matter of my Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment it was offered under my Lord of Straffords own hand to shew that it was partly upon the Sentence December 24. 1636. My Lord of Strafford not denying it to be his hand it was read being a Reference upon my Lord Mountnorris his Petition and in substance as followeth That for the Petitioners restraint more than twelve months he hath no body to blame but himself that hath all that space lain under a deserved censure of the Council of War and stood in Contempts and trifled with the Court of Castle-Chamber That His Majesties removal of the Sentence hath been often signified but never sued forth That the Petitioner did to the same effect Petition the Lord Deputy in May last and therefore all the Answer that for the present can be given is that his most gracious Pardon seeks no man nor can His Majesty remit all of that Sentence to be applied to the Petitioners benefit till by his humble suit he procured His Majesties Pardon under the Great Seal c. which taking the usual way and humbly acknowledging the justness of that Sentence he may have c. A Petition was then read directed to the Earl of Strafford from my Lord Mountnorris Praying a Warrant for a Pardon under the Great Seal according to the Law and the purport of His Majesties directions if his Lordship shall conceive His Majesties Letters on which the Lord Mountnorris relied as sufficient did not amount to a Legal Pardon Then was read my Lord of Straffords Answer Dublin Ianuary 30. 1636. When the Petitioner shall prefer his Petition for the said Pardon acknowledging the justness of the Sentence pronounced against him by the Council of War we shall take his Request into our further consideration Wentworth Whence one of the Managers observed That the King directs a Pardon to be drawn and till the Sentence be acknowledged to be just no consideration shall be taken and that the Preamble of the Pardon recites as much and he would not suffer it to be Sealed till this Acknowledgment passed Then was produced the Lady Mountnorris her Petition to His Majesty referred to the Lord Strafford Mr. Anslowe Sworn attested the truth of the Copy and it was read Setting forth her Sorrow on behalf of her Husband suffering in Honour Health and Imprisonment for a word mis-interpreted and still pursued in the Castle-Chamber and humbly praying a Command for his coming into England c. His Majesties Reference to my Lord of Strafford Iuly 18. 1636. His Majesty is pleased That on such a Submission as the Lord Deputy shall approve of he shall have his Liberty to come into England wherein the Lord Deputy is to take notice and to give Order therein accordingly Mr. Anslowe being asked whether this was brought to the Deputy by the Lady Mountnorris and whether he did not reject it He Answered That he was by when my Lady Mountnorris presented the Petition she was humbly on her Knees to desire my Lord of Strafford to receive it And he refused absolutely to receive it from her They then produced the Order in a Cross Suit in t Robert Parkhurst Plaintiff and the Lord Baltinglasse al. Defendants Et e contra The Order was read whereby certain Lands for 3000 l. paid at several times to the Viscount and 300 l. more to be paid afterwards were setled with Sir Robert Parkhurst William Brettergh Sworn was Interrogated touching my Lord Baltinglasse his Possession of the said Lands and his dispossessing thereof He Answered That he was Sollicitor for prosecuting of this Cause and made Defence of it in behalf of my Lord of Baltinglasse being then in England But at the time of the Decree his Lordship was come over That his Lordship never made Answer to it but when the Cause came to hearing my Lord of Strafford ordered the Possession of the Land against my Lord Baltinglasse and the Possession before was in one Grimble who was Tenant And that he could speak many other things concerning the carriage of it Mr. Glyn desired the Witness might be examined touching my Lord of Straffords purchase of those Lands and offered the Articles whereby my Lord of Strafford leased the Land for 28 years and at 666 l. per annum My Lord of Strafford confest thereupon that he had it but it was in Trust for a Noble Person The Manager observed That whether it was for a Friend or himself it is equal for a man will do a courtesie for his Friend as soon as for himself And so he concluded his Reply hoping that their Lordships were satisfied that he hath introduced an Innovation and being so that he hath exercised a Tyrannical Power over the Estates of His Majesties Subjects To such parts thereof as was new matter my Lord of Strafford replied in substance as followeth
I desire that these matters that come on me suddenly and being no part of my Charge may not stick with Your Lordships In the business of my Lord of Baltinglasse I remember little only that my Lord Baltinglasse had forfeited his Estate to Sir Robert Parkhurst who had a clear and free Estate in the Land by Fine and Recovery and divers Conveyances The Lord Baltinglasse desired me to take the hearing of the Cause to see if I could procure from Sir Robert Parkhurst a further sum of money The Order was made with both their likings and my Lord Baltinglasse was content to perfect the whole Estate Sir Robert Parkhurst was in Possession at that time not the Lord Baltinglasse That seeing no cause to relieve him in Equity they left him to seek relief in other places That afterwards an Agreement was made 300 l. received by the Lord Baltinglasse and after 100 l. more got to be given and so there was a full Conveyance and Acquittance from Father and Son That himself hath no Interest in it but only of Trust to anothers use For that which was offered against the Jurisdiction the Proofs are Negative and contradict not what I have offered And if I might shew my Lord of Faulklands Book of Entries I could produce as much done by my Lord Faulkland alone 1623. Attachments against Body and Goods Hearings between Parties and Parties Warrants for Distresses Warrants to the Sheriff for Possession of Lands Injunctions to Judges of Assize For my Lord Mountnorris his Imprisonment I desire Your Lordships to observe that His Majesties Reference is That I shall not set him at liberty without a Submission so that he may thank himself for his Restraint For my Carriage to the Lady Mountnorris at the delivering the Petition I desire Your Lordships to hear a Witness Who being asked to that purpose Answered That he was present when my Lady Mountnorris was once with my Lord but knows not whether that were the time in question It was about 1636. That he was present when her Son delivered one before which my Lord would receive but her Son would not deliver the Reference but a Copy being so Commanded by his Lady Mother That when my Lady delivered it on her Knees my Lord told her She had done him the greatest Injury she could devise and that if she had broke his Head she should have pleased him better Being asked whether my Lord rejected the Petition He Answered That he cannot certainly remember what was done with it but my Lord said he could not do any thing on a Copy The Lord Viscount Dillon being asked to the same point Answered He was by when my Lady Mountnorris came to my Lord to the Covent-Garden with a Petition in her hand and kneeled to my Lord but my Lord desired her to rise and offering the Petition he said he would not meddle with any Petition at that time That my Lord was going abroad and led her to her Coach in Civility but received not the Petition My Lord of Strafford professeth these things be so long past that he remembers them not well nor whether she offered a Copy the second time The Manager did here observe That he acknowledged the Civility of my Lord of Strafford in this point but there is one point sticks with him as higher than any offered and then their Lordships may think he goes high enough That there hath been proved my Lord of Straffords Tyrannical Proceedings on the Life and Fortune of my Lord Mountnorris One step more the Manager said he had heard off and that was his Soul and that sticks with him more than any thing else He kept him in Prison till he should acknowledge the justness of a Sentence which in his Heart he abhorred and held unjust That all former Tyrants when they would proceed against a man have found out two false Witnesses but when a man shall be made a false Witness against himself it is much more Tyrannical And he wished this Design had kept only in Ireland and had not come into England which he hopes shall be so no more And so after a short Reply to the two particulars last mentioned the Manager closed the 6th Article conceiving that it remains as was offered That my Lord of Strafford hath determined things contrary to the Commission and Authority obtained from His Majesty The Manager added That for the present the Commons will pass by the 7th Article and proceed to the 8th concerning Arbitrary Power over the Estates of the Kings Subjects And of that the last part only concerning the Lady Hibbott But my Lord of Strafford professing his disability to endure the Toil and that he was ready to drop down in respect of his much sickness and weakness and desiring their Lordships to turn the case inward and to see in the Closet of their own Hearts if there be not reason that being upon his Life his Honour and Children and all he hath he should not be prest further and setting forth how the rest of the day after his going hence is disposed of The House was Adjourned till next day The Fourth day Thursday March 26. 1641. THE Eighth Article The Charge THat the said Earl of Strafford upon a Petition of Sir John Gifford Knight the first day of February in the said Thirteenth Year of his Majesties Reign without any Legal Process made a Decrée or Order against Adam Uiscount Loftus of Ely a Peer of the said Realm of Ireland and Lord Chancellor of Ireland and did cause the said Uiscount to be imprisoned and kept close Prisoner on pretence of Disobedience to the said Decree or Order And the said Earl without any Authority and contrary to his Commission required and commanded the said Lord. Uiscount to yield up unto him the Great Seal of the Realm of Ireland which was then in his Custody by His Majesties Command and imprisoned the said Chancellor for not obeying such his Command And without any Legal Proceeding did in the same Thirtéenth Year imprison George Earl of Kildare a Péer of Ireland against Law thereby to enforce him to submit his Title to the Mannor and Lordship of Castleleigh in the Quéens Country being of great yearly value to the said Earl of Strafford's Will and Pleasure and kept him a year Prisoner for the said cause two months whereof he kept him close-Prisoner and refused to enlarge him notwithstanding His Majesties Letters for his Enlargement to the said Earl of Strafford directed And upon a Petition exhibited in October Anno Domini 1635. by Thomas Hibbots against Dame Mary Hibbots Widow to him the said Earl of Strafford the said Earl of Strafford recommended the said Petition to the Council-Table of Ireland where the most part of the Council gave their Uote and Opinion for the said Lady but the said Earl finding fault herewith caused an Order to be entred against the said Lady and threatned her that if she refused to submit
thereunto he would imprison her and fine her Five hundred pounds that if she continued obstinate he would continue her Imprisonment and double her fine every month by means whereof she was enforced to relinquish her Estate in the Lands questioned in the said Petition which shortly after were conveyed to Sir Robert Meredith to the use of the said Earl of Strafford And the said Earl in like manner did imprison divers others of His Majesties Subjects upon pretence of Disobedience to his Orders Decrées and other illegal Command by him made for pretended Debts Titles of Lands and other Causes in an Arbitrary and extrajudicial course upon Paper-Petitions to him preferred and no Cause legally depending The Article was opened by the Manager THomas Hibbott's Petition to my Lord of Strafford was read setting forth That Sir Thomas Hibbot's being seized of certain Land conveyed the same to the use of himself for life after death to the Petitioner in Tail and divers Remainders over That Sir Thomas of the said Lands became seized for life and died the Petitioner being in England and not knowing of the Conveyance That Dame Mary Hibbots Iohn Hoy her Son and others taking advantage of his absence combined to get the Deeds touching the Lands into their hands That they caused one Booky to come into England to perswade the Petitioner to go into Ireland and he went accordingly and was brought to the place of the said Ladies abode who pretended that she had an estate in the Lands during life That by this means before he could be advised he was drawn to contract for the Lands at half value and he entred into Bond to perform Agreements That the Petitioner was more willing thereunto in respect of a desire to buy other Lands of Iohn Martin's and agreed for it and was to receive 1800 l. of the said Lady which Martin was to receive and the greatest part paid out at the time and place appointed That a Deed-Poll was drawn from him to Seal to and acknowledge a Fine and deliver Security for great part of the purchase-money That notwithstanding a Fine acknowledged and Security given up the Lady Hibbots refused to let Martin have the said money and so the Petitioner disappointed of the Bargain and therefore prays that the Evidences Deed-Poll Fine and Bond might be delivered up and the Agreement discharged being surreptitiously obtained The Lord-Deputies Warrant was subscribed and read bearing Dated 15. October 1635. viz. That the Lady Hibbot c. should on sight thereof forthwith deliver the said Deeds c. to Sir Paul Davis and to appear at Council-Table the 20th of this instant October The Manager observed That the Petition was preferred in the name of Thomas Hibbots though in truth he had never knowledge of the exhibiting of it and that the first Bargain with the Lady Hibbots was made 22. September 1635. the Petition exhibited 15. October 1635. The Decree was read Iohn Hoy attesting it to be a true Copy wherein the Petition is recited and the time and it is set forth that the Courts of Justice were not then open that the Petitioner being a Stranger it was not fit he should long attend That the Defendants denied the fraud charged To which the Plaintiff Replied the Defendants rejoin time given to examine Witnesses and a day for hearing set down That at the hearing it appears the said Lady brake into her deceased Husbands Study possest her self of the Deeds and Writings That Booky was sent over as might be conceived to circumvent the Plaintiff That getting him to her house she contracted with him for 1600 l. before he knew of the value that understanding it to be worth 2250 l. he refused to proceed and then the Lady raised the price to 2500 l. That by not payment of a part of it the bargain with Mr. Martin the cause of his treaty with the Lady was disappointed That the Lady pretended an Estate for life in the Lands when she had only an Estate in part for 99 years if she lived so long and no Estate in other parts thereof which the Plaintiff knowing not of could not suffer a Praecipe quod reddat without her joyning whereas being but Lessee for 99 years he might That it appears by the Deeds that the Plaintiff intended not to sell the Lands for that he knew them not as appeared by Circumstances which the Order doth more particularly set down That the criminal part should be reserved to be made use of by the King's Council that for the civil part the said Bargain was Ordered to be void That the Fine not yet recorded but remaining unreturned shall be cancelled if the Plaintiff shall require it And the Lady to have only such Estate as she had before and no other And both Parties are hereunto to yield Obedience 24. November 1635. Adam Loftus Chancellor Ormond Valentia Moore Dillon Sherley Lowther Wainsford Manwareing Tiringham George Ratcliffe The Manager opened the Nature of the Cause observed the particular parts of the Order shewing that there was a Conveyance executed a Fine levied though not returned by his Order no Witnesses examined though she denies the Fraud and Arguments are made to convince her by observation of circumstances and so concluded to overthrow a Bargain in October before That it is pretended to be when the Courts of Justice were shut though it was heard in full Term 24. November 1635. the Term there beginning as in England but adjourned to the 2. of November and the said Order was contrary to the Vote of the Council-Board That when that Bargain was overthrown the Lands were purchased by Sir Robert Meredith and others for 3000 l. to the use of the Earl of Strafford and he sold them back to the Lady Hibbots for 7000 l. That when this Petition was preferred Thomas Hibbots desired to be gone and have his money applies himself to Sir William Parsons for advice Whether he might not withdraw his Petition he sends him to Sir George Ratcliffe Sir George opposes it the Petitioner goes to my Lord of Strafford and he tells him Do not withdraw your Suit 500 l. more in your purse will do you no hurt Iohn Hoy was first produced as a Witness and sworn My Lord of Strafford offered to their Lordships Consideration that the Witness is to have the Inheritance of the Lands and so swears directly for himself But the Manager Answered That if he shall have the Inheritance his Lordship knows the terms he hath paid 7000 l. for it And Mr. Maynard added that if the Decree were of force against him it were something but the Land is since paid for and whether the Decree be good or bad he can neither lose nor win by it for he comes in as a Purchasor Yet my Lord of Strafford prest it that the Witness complained and seeks Relief against the Decree But the Manager Answered It was for his Mother not for himself though upon my Lord Stewards
busie and could not attend it That they desired Hibbots might be examined and they would be bound by his Oath and his Lordship granted a Warrant for it and Mr. Hibbots was almost examined for on a Council-day the Order was given to the Deponent But that very Afternoon my Lord-Deputy came to the Council-Board and as soon as he was sate spake to this effect Here is a business concerning my Lady Hibbots prosecuted with a great deal of Violence that ever I knew and an Order procured for the Examination of the Plaintiff but if any such Order be or Examination taken I will have it damned and this is as much as he can speak Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not threaten my Lady Hibbots with Imprisonment till she performed the Order He Answered That on the first of Ianuary after the Decree my Lord-Deputy sent to the Lady Hibbots house to require her and him the Deponent to attend him which they did accordingly and were called into his Chamber where was Mr. Sambridge of Council with Mr. Hibbots a Sister of the Deponents he the Deponent and some others That my Lord-Deputy asked them Why they would not perfect the Re-assurance according to the Order to which the Deponent offered some Exceptions drawn up by the Council alledging that they could not possibly perform the words of the Order and that they might perform them as near as might be they shewed a course that might be observed but my Lord-Deputy said He would not be cavil'd withall he would have the Order of the Board obeyed and since they juggle thus his Lordship said He would have the Orders drawn up and tendered and that if they will not perform them he will commit them to the Castle where they shall lie a month at that months end he will send for them to the Council-Board and tender them again and if they would not perform them he will Fine them 500 l. and another months Imprisonment and then tender them again and if they will not perform then he will Fine them 1000 l. and another months Imprisonment and so from time to time till they had performed the Orders of the Board Being asked Whether these Lands were not purchased in the Name of Sir Robert Meredith and others and to whose use He Answered That he hath the Deeds of the Land himself and what the Dates are he doth not remember But he knows the Lands were purchased in the Name of Sir Robert Meredith and others but he cannot speak to whose use but from Sir Robert Meredith's own mouth for when he the Deponent paid 7000 l. to him he the Deponent was telling him the great advantage he made by this Bargain In truth saith Sir Robert the advantage is nothing to me I receive it with one hand and carry to the Castle with the other That the beginning of December last Sir Robert sent for this Deponent and told him He heard he was coming over to complain of such a matter but desired him the Deponent not to trouble him for he protested seriously he had nothing to do with the business his Name was only used as Sir Philip Persivals and Sir Robert Loftus it was meerly to my Lord Lieutenants use The Manager observed That when their Lordships have heard this they will not wonder at the next Witness they shall produce that a Supream Judge should perswade to continue a Suit which he would have withdrawn and that notwithstanding the major part of the Board was against the Petitioner yet the Order was drawn for the Petitioner Mr. Hoy being asked to the matter of the Vote He said He was withdrawn when they gave their Vote but a noble Member of the Board came to his Mother to Supper and named to him the Deponent every man that Voted for and against her that he writ down their Names at that time and there were twelve Votes for her and nine against her that he the Deponent was afterwards informed by another then at Board that the major part of the Board went for his Mother Thomas Hibbots was sworn and being asked Whether there was not a Petition preferred to the Lord-Lieutenant there for breaking off the Bargain between himself and the Lady Hibbots and answered before he knew of it He Answered having the Questions dictated by the Clerk being an old deaf man That he caused a Petition to be drawn but not this that this Petition he knew nothing at all of that he wished a Petition to be drawn by Mr. Sambridge but it was only that he might have his money and go into his Country Being asked Whether after the Petition drawn and answered he did go to Sir William Parsons and desired to be quit of the Suit and that he went thereupon to Sir George Ratcliffe and what passed He Answered He sent to Sir William Parsons and he sent him to Sir George Ratcliffe and Sir George Ratcliffe said He should not be dismissed from the Board Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not send for him and tell him 500 l. more in his purse would do him no harm He Answered It is true my Lord wished him to go on with his Suit at the Board and that no man in Ireland should do him wrong and it would do him no harm to carry over 500 l. more Being asked What Sir Robert Meredith said to him He Answered That he would bring all the Writings to him the Deponent Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's Motion what Fees he laid out He Answered 40 l. to Mr. Sambridge and the Manager observed he was preferred presently after the Bargain was executed Being asked What words were used to the Lady Hibbots He Answered That my Lord-Deputy asked Will you not perform the Order If not by such a day I will send you to the Castle and there you shall lie a month and at the months end you shall be brought to the Board and have 500 l. laid on your head and at another months end 1000 l. more Fine and you shall go back to the place again and after that a third months Imprisonment and your Fine increased your Estate I know is very great and if it were ten times bigger than it is I will make it crack To prove that the major part of the Board was against the Plaintiff The Lord Mountnorris was asked Whether he was present at the Council-Table at that time when this Cause was agitated and which way the major part of the Votes went at that time He Answered He was there present and the major Vote went for the Lady and there were 12 or 11 he cannot possibly say which though he took it then perfectly into memory on one side and nine on the other side The Earl of Corke asked to the same purpose He first made an humble Suit to their Lordships that he might not be produced as a Witness against the Prisoner His Reason is That when he hath delivered
a true Testimony my Lord of Strafford presently pursues him and lays Imputations and scorns upon him and therefore humbly prayed to be spared else that he might have liberty to justifie himself Whence the Manager observed What it is to fall on Witnesses persons extravagantly when they produce them and therefore desired my Lord of Strafford might forbear it being a great disheartening to Witnesses My Lord of Corke added That my Lord of Strafford accused him to have a Pardon whereas he knows he hath none That he is an honest man and wishes my Lord of Strafford could leave the Kingdom with as much Reputation as himself had left it And for the matter demanded his Lordship said He was at the hearing of the Cause and Voted against the Plaintiff but whether the major part Voted against him or no he knows not Being asked What words my Lord of Strafford said about making a party in that Cause He Answered That he thinks he spake these words He did not think there would have been a party against him for if he had he would not have brought it to that Table for the Petition was preferred to himself Sir Adam Lofius being asked What Sir Robert Meredith told him of his part in the Bargain He Answered That he heard him say He had no Title or Interest in it but only his name used in trust but for whom he did not declare and that was all he said to him The Manager added That they have another Witness to prove that of the majority of the Vote my Lord of Ely but he is sick And so the Manager summed up the Evidence and observed it to be something that my Lord of Strafford should pitch upon the very sum of 500 l. that Mr. Hibbots had by way of increase That the Order was made with an examination of Witnesses on pretence of Fraud where the Lady denied it on Oath and that though it was so great a fraud in the Lady to procure a Reversion for 2500 l. which was sold for 3000 l. and afterwards re-sold to the Lady for 7000 l. and so concluded that it is an Arbitrary Government drawn into my Lord of Strafford's own breast and the Inheritance of a great Estate taken from the King 's Subject without Rule of Law there being a Fine levied but being not retorned as the Commissioners are bound to retorn it he made an Order it should not be retorned and a Lady threatened with doubling and trebling the Fine and one of the Feoffees Sir Robert Meredith confesses it was for my Lord of Strafford And to prove that Sir Philip Persival acknowledged so much Mr. Fitzgarret was Interrogated What Sir Philip Persival said who thereupon answered That Sir Philip had often told him the Purchase was to the use of my Lord-Deputy now Earl of Strafford That he hath had occasion of Conference with him about the Estate and hath sometimes discoursed with him concerning the Estate wherein his name was used That he the Deponent might understand how far it concerned him telling him that the Estate would one day be questioned And Sir Philip protested he never knew of this business till his name was put into it and he came to Seal the Writings and that it was to the use of my Lord-Deputy Some Questions arising about the number of Hands to the Order being in all 14. The Manager observed That more have subscribed than those that gave their Vote being a Cause introduced by my Lord of Strafford That all subscribed the Orders as well those against them as those for them and Appealed therein to my Lord of Cork The Course being when an Order is made to bring it to the Table another day and take all the Hands of them present and he added That their Lordships that are Counsellors know that Course to be used here My Lord of Corke being asked to that Point Answered That he knows nothing of it The Lord Primate of Ireland his Examination was offered and was admitted accordingly to be read being taken 30. March 1641. To the fourth Inter. That when the Major part of the Council-Board go one way and the Minor part another way when the Order is drawn up the Minor part Signs it as well as the Major The Lord-Deputy alledging it to be the practise of the Council of England and he himself had done it but before my Lord of Strafford's coming he never knew it to be so Lord Renula being asked to the same Point Answered That he doth not remember that Order to be of force there till of late years and that my Lord of Strafford hath declared to them that it is the practise of England and when the Major part doth subscribe though others be of different Opinions they are involved in it and must subscribe The Lord Savil desired he might be asked Whether he ever knew that when the Major part did Vote against an Order they did subscribe it The Manager answered That that 's their grief and though there be no such Course yet if it concern my Lord of Strafford he will make it a course Lord Renula being asked Whether he were present at the Council-Table when this Vote was given and what he heard concerning the Vote He Answered That he was not there and he heard very little of it that the most he heard of it was since the coming of this Gentleman Mr. Hoy into England and that to his best remembrance he heard Sir William Parsons now Lord Chief Justice say He was informed the Major Vote went against Sir Robert Meredith And so the Manager concluded the Charge as to the Eighth Article saying That here is a Proceeding for a Free-hold contrary to the Fundamental Laws of the Kingdom contrary to the Instructions in the manner and measure as their Lordships had heard My Lord of Strafford after some time given for the re-collecting of his Notes began his Reply in substance as followeth I will with your Lordships noble permission justifie my self against the Charge of High-Treason exhibited against me Having been blamed by the Gentlemen at the Bar for going to matters not pertinent I shall henceforth keep my self to that within the Charge trusting that the things wherewith I am not Charged shall not dwell with your Lordships to my prejudice but that your Lordships will in your Nobleness and Justice reserve to your selves till in its proper place and kind I shall Answer thereunto conceiving that I am to Answer only to Treason not to Misdemeanor The Charge opened is a Decree given by the Deputy and Council of Ireland to the subversion of the Fundamental Laws and to the bringing in of an Arbitrary and Tyrannical Government Whether it be so or no or whether by any manner of Construction it can be brought as an Argument to convince me of High-Treason I conceive I am to Answer Whether the Decree be in it self just or unjust is not the question but
Decree and he conceives the major part of the Table did so too he is very confident of it and he doth the rather believe it because he never knew the contrary practise at that Board in any Case besides he knows the Clerk of the Council is a very faithful and careful Servant being a sworn Officer and it is the duty of his Place to draw up Orders according to the major part of the Voices and that no member of the Board took Exception at the signing of this Order that he knows For the matter of Imprisoning the Lady my Lord of Strafford offered That he hopes it 's no great offence for the Deputy of Ireland to say as much to a Subject that 's bound to perform the Order of the Board and doth not I ought not under favour favour le ts in that Case for if Obedience be not had it is to no purpose Orders should be made For the words concerning Fining of her I offer to your Lordships Confideration that one that gives Testimony thereof is Mr. Hoy who is a party interessed and to whom the benefit will accrue of whatsoever shall be recovered and that your Lordships may remember what a ready story he told and wronged his memory to desire to speak out of his Notes for I never heard one speak more readily and conceive he is not in this particular so intire a Witness to convince me That the other Witness is Mr. Hybbots himself a weak old man that hath not Judgment sufficient but says forward and backward and may be taken any way Therefore his Testimony is not so strong and binding That suppose I had said the words they cannot make a Treason Fining in cases of Contempts being usual in Chancery here to enforce men to conform to Decrees However I stand not charged with it and when it comes in its proper place and time I trust I shall make a fair and just Answer in it The last thing in the Charge is the conveying of the Lands to Sir Robert Meredith and others to my use which I deny in my Answer and under favour deny it still For the Witnesses offered I except against Mr. Hoy as I must under favour as often as I mention it That the words spoken by Sir Robert Meredith is only his saying and offered here as a Report and when Sir Robert speaks for himself I believe he will say another thing That the Testimony of Mr. Fitzgarrett is but what Sir Philip Percival said and when Sir Philip comes to be examined himself I trust Your Lordships will find it otherwise I having never spoke to Sir Philip in all my life touching the business When my Lady Hybbotts complains of the Injustice of the Decree before Your Lordships I hope I shall clear it in its proper place but in the mean time it is no part of my Charge and I dare say they would not offer such a thing in Charge to my Lord Keeper or my Lord Chief Justice or if they should offer it they know they should have a rebuke for Lawyers must keep within the limits of the Charge and therefore in this particular I may reserve my self without prejudice in Your Lordships Opinions till it comes to its proper place where I hope I shall justifie my Carriage to be Honest and Faithful according to the Trust reposed in me His Lordship having finished his Defence the Manager began his Reply thereunto in substance as followeth That he shall not need to labour much in making a Replication little being answered to the Charge which he recited and opened That his Lordships Proceedings have in this matter been contrary to Law they must rest on their Lordships memory the Act of Parliament cited before the Instructions and the Proclamation the Exercise of a Jurisdiction on the Estate of a Lady without the least colour of Jurisdiction whereas if there had been any it would have been heard of That his Lordship answers nothing to his sending for the party Petitioning bidding him go on with the Suit and Prophesying that he might have 500 l. more That perhaps it is not material whether the Order were just or unjust and my Lord of Strafford will answer only to the Jurisdiction But we observe that yesterday he made a great flourish to the justness of a Decree let the Jurisdiction be what it will and when he cannot justifie that then he declines it That my Lord his Pulse is still beating that this is no Treason yet it is an Article to prove and conduce to the General Charge of subverting the Laws and though he pretends that these Circumstances of purchasing the Lands to his own use and speaking to the party to proceed and his Threats are not to the purpose yet under favour these and his saying when he perceived a great part to Vote against him though not the major part as he says that he could have kept it in his own hands do come home to the point That he hath exercised an Arbitrary Power specially when it is for his own benefit His pretence that this Cause was heard before the Lords of the Council and therein differs from that of my Lord Mountnorris is no answer at all for the Lords of the Council have nothing to do in matters of Freehold or Inheritance when it concerns not Plantation or the Church or is specially recommended That they concur with my Lord Primates Examination that the Clerk of the Council should draw up Orders according to the major part of the Votes but what he hath done in this case they know not and how far a Deputy might prevail with the Clerk of the Council they submit And there is an express proof of one of the Counsellors that there was 11. or 12. against the Order and nine for it And whereas it is said he is but a single Witness my Lord of Corke says though he remembers not which way the major voice went yet he remembers very well my Lord Deputy exprest those words concerning the making of a Party which shews that something was done that did not agree with his will And another Witness says that Sir William Parsons told him that the major Vote was against the Order And whereas my Lord Strafford pretends that the Privy-Counsellor that told Mr. Hoy there were more Voices for his Mother than against her must be my Lord Mountnorris That is denied and we desire Mr. Hoy may in that point explain himself He hath called Sir Philip Maynwaring and others that would have testified the truth to his advantage but not one of them expresses any thing to their knowledge but as they believe it because by the Duty of his place the Clerk of the Council ought to have drawn it up according to the Votes The Threats to Imprison and Fine the Lady and the kind of Threats are proved by two Witnesses with this addition by one That he would crack her Estate which shew a great fervency in my Lord
Lord of Carlisle amounted to 3400 l. a year sometimes an odd 500 l. sometimes 200 l. but Communibus annis it was above 3000 l. And this being by Surrender drawn into my Lord of Straffords purse but out of the Kings purse and that not only by way of gift for this surplusage above the 1400 l. per annum on the Wines was to be made good out of the 11050 l. So that out of the 11050 l. there is drawn from His Majesty 4500 l. instead of an advance of 1350 l. And it rests not here for besides these the Customs of London Derry and Colerane worth 1500 l. a year and the Customs of Knockfergus and Strangford reserved in the Dukes Lease are stollen out by way of Defalcation in the Earl of Straffords Lease Besides whereas the Duke of Buckingham had a moiety of the Kings moiety of all Seizures in case of mens concealing Custom or Landing Goods at unseasonable times the Statute allowing to His Majesty in some such cases a Moiety in some cases the whole my Lord of Strafford by his Lease must have all that belonged to the King And whereas the Duke of Buckingham had for Merchants Goods that came in by way of prize an allowance of Custom By the Lease of my Lord of Strafford whether they be the Kings Goods or his Subjects Custom must be paid by His Majesty to his own Subjects Mr. Glyn observed also a strange Clause in the new Grant which is to the matter of opposition and Subversion of the Laws That this Grant shall hold whether it be repealed by Parliament or not And further the Rates are inhanced when they come to my Lord of Straffords Grant in 12 particulars so that the Customs which at that time were presented as worth 12000 l. a year fall out on proof to yield seldom less than 40. sometimes near 60000 l. a year all which Gain hath gone out of the Kings Purse and is in my Lord of Straffords and his Partners The Lease made to the Duke of Buckingham was first read as to the Grant the Render and the Defalcations Dat. 23 May 16 Car. The Lease to the Dutchess of Buckingham was next read dated 24 Mar. 7 Car. from the several parts whereof Mr. Maynard observed the inhancing of the Rates The Grant of the Wines the Payment of the Customs for the Kings Prize-goods the Clause touching the Repeal by Parliament the Defalcations the allowing the part of the Kings Moiety of the Seizures so formerly opened to be fully manifested In this Lease there is 20000 l. consideration by way of Fine and 11050 Rent received The Grant of the Surplusage of the profit of Wines to the Earl of Carlisle above the said 1400 l. per annum Rent for the remainder of fifteen years was read Wherein is recited the original Grant under the said yearly Rent of 1400 l. and the Surrender thereof to the Crown 21 Martii 7 Car. They proceed to prove the Values And first Witnesses were produced to prove that by the Duke of Buckinghams Lease 3700 l. per annum was answered to the Crown for the Moiety of the Surplusage of Profits over and above the 6000 l. yearly Rent thereupon observed The Lord Ranulagh being asked to that point Answered That he was a Partner in the Farm in the time of my Lord of Faulklands Government in Ireland and on the Lease there was reserved to the King over and above the 6000 l. a surplusage of the profits which came to 3700 l. To prove the value of the Wine-Customs above the 1400 l. Rent reserved on the Earl of Carlisles Lease which was to be answered to the Earl of Carlisle out of the 11050 l. Sir Iames Hey sworn and interrogated to that point Answered That in 1635. the late Earl of Carlisle sent him into Ireland to settle his affairs there where he stayed almost 12 months and then he received a years account of the Wines which he hath to produce under the hand of the Auditor of that Kingdom which is the money received for the profit of the Wines The Accompt was read viz. A Collection of what the Impost of Wines amounted to according to the old Rates for the year ended March 1635. in the several parts following wherein all Wines discharged out of forraign bottoms are rated as strangers viz. The Total 3787 l. 15 s. 9 d. Sterl Out of which the sum of 1400 l. the Rent formerly reserved to His Majesty out of the said Impost defalked there will remain 2387 l. 15 s. 9 d. Sir Iames Hey further said That 1636. my Lord of Carlisle dyed and he will not depose for that years Accompt but he conceives it is an Accompt sent over from the same party And that he had a Letter from an Officer of the Custom-house at Dublin wherein he mentioned the Impost to amount to 5000 l. and upwards either 1638. or 1639. but he is not certain which To prove the Value of the Defalcations of London Derry and Colerane Robert Goodwyn sworn being asked what the Customs of London Derry and Colerane amounted to Communibus Annis He Answered That the Customs received in the Town of Colerane In-gate and out-gate from 25 Mar. 1634. till 25 Mar. 1639. being for the space of five whole years as appears by the several Accompts thereof is 1079 l. 6 s. 1 d. ½ That the Total of the Customs of London Derry where he collected himself in-gate and out-gate from the last of Febr. 1634. till Michaelmas 1639. as appears by the several Accompts thereof made by His Majesties Commissioners for the City and County of London Derry is 5348 l. 11 s. 10 d. That he shall acquaint their Lordships with the full Truth These were not Collected according to the Book of Rates but at an under value That all the Book of Rates 1634. and so forward to the last Book do value Beef at 16 l. a Tun. But because Beef is sold in Derry and Colerane for 6 or 7 l. a Tun at utmost therefore he was directed by the City of London to take 6 s. after the rate of 6 l. Then for Hydes these Books of Rates value a Hyde at 12 s. and where he should have taken 6 d. he received by direction of the City but 2 d. at the Infancy of the Plantation and for the good of the place which the City tendred Henry Brawd sworn and examined to the same matter Answered According to the Deposition of Robert Goodwyn for the value of the Customs of Colerane and London Derry To prove the value of the Farms in Ireland Iohn Welsh sworn and examined to that point Answered That he can speak nothing of knowledge but only by hear-say To prove the value of the Customs as increased on the New Book of Rates Robert Cogan sworn and Examined to that Point Answered That he never cast them up in particular but he did estimate them before they took the Farm to be
Charge in a proper way I shall give such satisfaction as to clear my self of the least Fraud or Deceipt to my Master and in the mean time I know your Lordships are so just as not to prejudice me in this matter I will now shew how I came into the business of Farming the Customs not voluntarily or upon my Suit nor did I ever intend it but was commanded and enforced to it and came in meerly for the doing of the King a Service and if it prove a Bargain of advantage I never knew the making of a good Bargain turned on a man as Treason It was justly fairly and honestly procured and prove it never so beneficial that can never make it a Crime His Majesty hath been from time to time acquainted with the increase of this business most exactly and truly it rising indeed beyond all imagination the Customs when we entred on them being but 12000 l. per annum and now your Lordships see what is proved and may judge with what truth they inform in the Remonstrance out of Ireland that Trade is decayed On their own shewing by the Testimony of my Lord Renula and others it appears that when they were Farmers there was 6000 l. paid to the King and a Devident of the other moity which came to 3700 l. So the whole value of the Customs was then 13400 l. His Lordship desired that my Lord Cottington might be asked a few Questions Lord Cottington being asked Whether in the Seventh year of the King there was not a Bargain concluded by the late Lord Treasurer the Earl of Portland with Captain Williams Captain Henshawe and others for the Customs of Ireland paying 15500 l. Rent and 8000 l. Fine His Lordship Answered That he conceives my Lord of Portland rested satisfied that he had made that Bargain for the Rent and Fine and that he so understood it as to acquaint His Majesty with it and understood it to be a very good Bargain Being asked Whether did not Williams afterwards relinquish the Bargain His Lordship Answered That he well remembers he did refuse it and he thinks he refused it because Henshawe was the chief man in it and he died and thereupon Williams flew off And that my Lord of Portland was very much troubled because Williams and the rest fell off as he remembers Being asked Whether after they had given it over any body would give so much as they offered He Answered He thinks there was no body that came near it at least he never heard so Being asked Whether after it was so left it was not undertaken by Sir Arthur Ingram and his Partners on the very tearms that Williams refused it paying only 100 l. a year more Rent He Answerd It is very true Sir Arthur Ingram and divers Partners by his procurement paid 100 l. more Rent and as he takes it the same Fine but for a quicker time for the first men were to have time and Sir Arthur Ingram was to pay it all in ready money My Lord of Strafford here added That Henshawe and the rest having given over the Bargain himself went to my Lord at Rohampton and found that these other Partners that had it afterwards would undertake the Farm if he the Earl of Strafford would be a Partner with them which was a thing he never intended but refused Therefore on his Lordships Motion Lord Cottington was further asked Whether being moved by my Lord of Portland to come into the Farm he the Earl of Strafford did absolutely tell my Lord of Portland that he would not meddle therewith not knowing how it would be interpreted that he being the King's Deputy should be a Farmer His Lordship Answered That he well remembers my Lord of Portland did conceive that to draw in these later Farmers it was very necessary and all the Succor they had to have my Lord of Strafford a Partner in it because they conceived they should thrive in the Bargain if he having so great a Power were a Partner so it lay on my Lord of Portland to perswade him to yield to it and my Lord of Portland told him That if my Lord of Strafford would do the King that Service he should not lose by it And though my Lord of Strafford was unwilling to come in for a part yet at last he did and his coming in drew in the rest as he the Lord Cottington thinks And further that my Lord Portland told the King of it and prepared the King to command him for the making of the Bargain depending on his taking of a part My Lord of Strafford here observed That he humbly conceived the Goodness and Grace of the King and the love of my Lord of Portland was such at that time that they would not have brought him into a business that should be laid to his Charge as Treason Lord Cottington being on Mr. Maynard's motion asked about the time whether it was 7 Car. His Lordship Answered That he must refer himself to the Grant for the Lease my Lord of Strafford shewed did follow immediately after Sir Arthur Ingram being on my Lord of Strafford's Motion Examined to divers of the Points before proposed to the Lord Cottington He Answered He conceives there was a Bargain made by my Lord Treasurer and my Lord Cottington with Williams and Henshawe for 15500 l. a year and as he conceives 8000 l. Fine and this was under their hands in Writing as he heard That he knew nothing that my Lord of Strafford was to be a Partner or to have any Interest in it That he conceives Williams did clearly refuse it after Henshawes death what other Reasons he had he knows not That he cannot tell nor doth remember that my Lord of Strafford used means to perswade Williams to stand to that Bargain but certainly Williams was perswaded much by my Lord of Portland Being asked Whether it was so left by Williams did not he and his Partners undertake the Farm He Answered That he was several times offered to come into that Farm and from time to time refused it That Williams pressed him exceeding much and others before him and he was moved to it by one Cogan but refused it That the truth is his Son Arthur Ingram was Partner in it and there came in my Lord Mountnorris Sir George Ratcliffe and one Cogan that they laboured much he should take the Farm and he had much ado to be brought in Being asked Whether these came in upon the same Tearms offered to Williams He Answered It will appear on the Warrant to the then Attorney Sir Robert Heath that they paid 15500 l. Rent and 8000 l. Fine and whereas the Officer should have paid it at six and six months these were to pay ready money Being asked Whether he had moved my Lord of Strafford to be a Partner in it He Answered That he doth not remember he ever said so but it might much encourage him to come in if
Car. was first Read By the Lord-Deputy and Council A PROCLAMATION concerning the Importing of TOBACCO By which Proclamation is set forth in Substance as followeth THat whereas unsound Tobacco is brought in c. by the Unlimited Liberty of divers to Import c. and being no Usual Commodity c. a strict Charge is given That none presume from the First of May next to Import any Tobacco without Special Licence from Us on pain of incurring His Majesties high displeasure and the Punishments due for such Contempts The Proclamation concerning Sealing of Tobacco was next Read the 23 d of Feb. 13 Car. By the Deputy and Council Wherein THe former Proclamation is Recited And to prevent Secret Wayes of Importation a Charge is given from the last of May next no Tobacco be put to Whole-sale unless it be in compleat Rolls which may be conveniently Seal'd and to be Sold with two Seales one to be affixed at each end which Seal order is taken to be provided for that purpose That what Tobacco shall be found without those Seales the Kings Officers may search for and seize and convey to the next Port which Course shall be taken that every Seizor shall have 6d. for every Pound as an Encouragement and that the Officers shall commit the Persons of such in whose hands such Tobacco shall be found till Security shall be given to appear before the Deputy and Council and not to depart without Leave c. Mr. Maynard observed That Iohn Carpenter c. who are imployed in this business are all Servants to my Lord of Strafford but Little who is Sir George Ratcliff's Servant who did accordingly make Seizure And he farther observed That my Lord of Strafford had several Magazines of Tobacco and that from time to time brought in was bestowed there And on the First Day of his Defence my Lord of Strafford said 40000 l. of his Tobacco was Seized To Prove the Execution of these Proclamations Timothy Crosby Sworn and Asked Whether Ships have not been Prohibited to Land their Tobacco He Answered Yes Since the 11 th of November 1637. and he Instanced in Governour Briskett of Montserratt Mr. Arundel Being Asked If any Ship Perish'd upon the Restraint He Answer'd The Iohn of Kingsale It came into Lymerick and being not there suffered to Sell was forced to Galloway and was cast away going into another Harbour And this because She was not one of the Magazine Being Asked What Rates the Merchants sold their Tobacco for before this Restraint and what since He Answered Before the Restraint for 6 d or 7 d the Pound and other times for 14 d and 16 d on Shipboard and since some at 9 d a Pound and others at 6 d Ob. Being Asked Why the Ships were not permitted to Land He Answered Because they would not pay 2 Shillings a Pound 18 d Custom and 6 d Impost Whence Mr. Maynard Observed That if they come for the Use of my Lord of Strafford and his Party they must pay 3 d if for others 18 d and Impost Patrick Allen Sworn Being Asked to the matter of Restraint He Answered That a Ship of 80 Tun was not admitted to Land at Yoghall but forced to carry her Lading of Tobacco to St. Mallis in France where he believes it is That a Proclamation was out in 1638 That no Merchant should Land any Tobacco without special Licence of the Patentees That before the Proclamation he bought Tobacco for 6 d and 7 d a Pound a great Quantity of one of Dartmouth and since they pay 2 Shillings 7 Groats 8 Groats and 3 Shillings That the Patentees pay the Merchant 6 d or 7 d a Pound which is the most he hath heard of Iohn Welsh Sworn and Interrogated to the same matter Answered It was not granted they sold as much as would pay for their Provisions for which they had 6 d a Pound but would not give way to Land any more of it That one Arundell of Excester put into Waterford and he the Deponent was in Company with him to Dublin and desired that if the said Arundell could get off his Tobacco he would sell it him the Deponent who would give him 2 Shillings a Pound for it That he could not get it off and sold it to Ioseph Carpenter for 6 d a Pound That he paid for some Landed at Waterford by one Wells 16 d a Pound ready Money That the Patentees do usually buy at 6 d Only there was a Bargain made with one Arundell to take it at 8 d or 9 d but how far they went he knows not That one White of Waterford put into Lymerick and told him the Deponent That he got but 4 d a Pound for his Tobacco Being Asked What Quantities he conceives is brought in Annually He Answered That he hath Estimated it with advice of others that Ireland cannot consume less then 500 Tun a year Others say It doth far exceed and 500 Tun is near 140000 l. at 2 s. 6 d a Pound Being Asked Whether he knew any Sentenced on these Pretences He Answered He saw Patrick Wells Merchant of Waterford stand on the Pillory for having Unsealed Tobacco and exposing it to Sale Richard Whitwick for the like offence Pillory'd at Waterford That he hath heard of diverse others And he thinks the Book of Censures is here under the hand of the Farmers Sollicitor and sent to the Committee out of Ireland by a Messenger Express Patrick Gough being required to Answer truely Whether the Book produced containing an Abstract of the Sentences made in the Castle-Chamber was delivered him by the Committee in Ireland He Answers That he believes it was among other things delivered him by the House of Commons to be brought to the Committee Sealed up in a Box. But the Committee not thinking fit to offer the Book in Evidence Patrick Gough was examined whether he heard of any Sentenced in the Proclamations for Tobacco He answered He knew divers and there were three or fourscore from time to time attending in the Council-Chamber committed to the Marshalsey and prosecuted by Hunt and these were as he remembers in Easter Term last And Michaelmas Term before and every year for three years past That he hath heard of 60 at a time committed and they were sentenced for having Tobacco unsealed Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's motion whether my Lord of Strafford was a Partie to them He answered That as he remembers in Michaelmas Term last was 12 moneths there were three Waterford men sentenced whereof one was for 9 l. of Tobacco One of them Fined 100 l. and loss of his Office being Waiter The other 100 l. and the Merchant 100 l. and both committed and their Fines reduced after to 20 l. That they were fined before the Council at the Council-Table and as he remembred my Lord of Strafford was then there Mr. Maynard did then produce a Sentence under my Lord of
Strafford's hand as he himself conceived it to be wherein divers persons were sentenced Mr. Glyn desired a proof concerning the value for which a witness should have attended but is withdrawn but the Remonstrance of Ireland speaks particularly to it That the value of it exceeds all the Kings certain and uncertain Revenue in the Kingdom of Ireland Mr. Plunkett being sworn being examined touching the truth of the Copy Answered That he had the Copy from the Clerk himself being a Member of the House That he hath looked on the Article of Tobacco and as it is in substance with that which was voted My Lord of Strafford desired he might be asked what proofs were there offered But Mr. Glyn opposed that hoping there was no question to be made of the proof of a thing that was done by all the Commons of Ireland to whom perhaps their own knowledge is the proof The Remonstrance read as to the 6 th Article That the Tobacco bought at low rate is sold at excessive rates whereby thousands of His Majesties Subjects are destroyed and most part of the Coine of this Kingdom ingrossed into particular hands insomuch that the Profits arising thereby surmount His Majesties Revenue certain or casual within this Kingdom and yet His Majesty receives very little profit by the same Timothy Crosby being interrogated how much Tobacco comes into the Port of Kinsale for three years last past He answered 60 Tunn in three years Whence Mr. Maynard observed if one Port brings in 200 Tunn the rest will go to a great height Being questioned what the Patentees give and what they require for such as is refuse Tobacco upon the sorting of it He answered that for the refuse the Owners had not above 1 d. and the Patentees sold none of that under 2 s. And so Mr. Maynard closed this Article observing that they have proved the Restraint and the Execution of it That it is turned into a Monopoly That none must be imported without their Licence That they buy what is brought in at low rates at 6 d. a pound when others will give 2 s. That 4 s. 8 d. or 9 d. is the highest they give so that they sell for three or four times the value of what they pay That by an estimate 500 Tunn is imported That punishments are inflicted The Kings free Subjects Whip'd Pilloryed Fined And so my Lord of Strafford's Answer was expected After a little Respit his Lordship made his defence to this Article in Substance as followeth That he conceives he hath very little crime to answer as to this Charge especially as unto Treason That he wisheth with all his heart he had so much profit to answer for as is pretended that he gained by this business His Lordship presented in the first place a Petition presented by the Commons House of Parliament in Ireland in the Parliament preceeding this wherein they desired that this Lease of the Impost of Tobacco might be taken in and compounded for and converted to the Kings benefit That the Revenue might be able to bear the Charge and the Subjects eased from demand of Contribution and supply for this purpose so that this was originally ordained by themselves on their own Petition to be setled as a Revenue of the Crown The Petition being affirmed by Mr Gibson to be a true Copy being examined by him before Sir Paul Davis in Ireland was read as to that point and it imports Lastly They do humbly advise that the six Subsidies chearfully granted in this Parliament may be imployed for the buying of the Leases and Farms that the same may be able to supply the necessary charge of this Kingdom in the first place And in the second place to satisfie and discharge the Debts and Incumbrances aforesaid as in manner aforesaid and for the other not included The House would not enter into Consideration thereof but are confident that when others justly due shall appear your Lordships will take a course that shall stand with your Honor and Profit My Lord of Strafford offered a Witness to prove that the Tobacco is one of the things that goes under the name of Leases Mr. Slingsby being examined to that point Answered That he was a Member of the House of Commons the first Parliament and Debate was offered how the Kings Revenue might be supplied to maintain the Charge several Grants and Leases applyed to particular men were thought fit to be brought in to be applyed to the Kings advantage there there was the Custom Wine and Aquavitae Licenses there was Tobacco and in the Kingdom My Lord of Strafford desired liberty to reserve Sir Adam Loftus whom he conceived a material Witness for him but was now absent Lord Robert Dillon being asked whether he was of the Parliament House when these Leases were advised to be brought in and whether the Lease of Tobacco was not one that was advised to be brought in and applyed to the Crown and that part of the Subsidies should be imployed to that end His Lordship answered That he did serve in the House of Commons that Parliament that they were upon the Kings Revenue and they wished that the Charge might be answered by the coming in of the Rents He remembers that on debate in the House a Committee was appointed to consider of the disposing of part of the Kings Revenue to take off the Incumbrances then of His Majesties Revenue to the end the Rent of His Majesty being raised they might be able to answer the ordinary and standing charge of the Kingdom and so divers things were to be brought in but for the very particular of Tobacco he doth not remember it by name though he remembers Wine and Aquavitae and the Incumbrances on the Customs My Lord of Strafford in the second place shews the Grant of the Imposition on Tobacco as they were Lett Iune 13. Iac. and at that time were Lett for 10 l. a year Rent Which being attested by Mr. Gibson to be a true Copy and to be by him examined at the Rolls in Ireland was read as to this point purporting That the King appoints That from the Date thereof there shall be received by way of Imposition Money 18 d. currant upon every pound of Tobacco which is demised to William Massam and Iohn Pitt for 7 years under the yearly Rent of 10 l. Dat. 6 Iune 13 Iac. Next he offered a Lease of the said Impositions to Mr. Lyne for 21 years at 20 l. per ann Dat. 8 Feb. 19 Iac. But Mr. Maynard admitting it the reading thereof was forborn Next He offers the Kings Letter 18 Iuly 12 Car. whereby His Majesty directs the setling of this business and is a warrant for issuing of the Proclamation wherewith he is charged Which being affirmed by Mr. Gibson to be a true Copy was read whereby is imported That His Majesty being given to understand that the
pretence that he is impeached of Treason But they profess and he believeth them That when Sir George Ratcliffe came out of Ireland they had received in Money 80000 l. and they had layed forth in Rent buying Tobacco Stock and Charges 86000 l. so that they had not in their Money by 60000 l. And Sir George Ratcliffe who is now in Town and though his misfortunes are heavy and sad enough yet is known to be a person of Honesty and Worth he dares say will take his oath on it and they that know him know he would not take a false oath to gain all the world That there be indeed some debts which are not gathered and some collected and paid into the Exchequer and this he said is to the value of the bargain and where he hears the Gentleman say the Customs have been worth to him and his Partners 300000 l. Surely the Informations have been much mistaken from them that gave the notice out of Ireland for it is to be understood that whatsoever the Profits are the Kings Rent must be taken out which is 15500 l. of the rest the King hath â… parts and himself but ¼ part so that on the matter he thinks they have been worth to him 4 or 5 or 6000 l. a year better than the Rent though the value is not considerable in his Charge against him of Treason That their Lordships might see the Reasons why he could not prepare a particular Account of these things His Majesty had had a particular Account had not the Ministers been so dealt withal laid in prison and abused If you will speak of a tyrannical and arbitrary way of Government The Commons expressing some distaste at this Egression my Lord of Strafford saith he complains of Ireland not of things here and desires leave to read two Orders of the Commons House who have seized on all given order for sale of them taken the Contractors imployed and imprisoned them and he thereby rendred altogether unable to clear things as otherwise he might have done and these things they do he knows not how but to his undoing indeed Mr. Maynard did here interpose and desire to know to what purpose he would have them read and whereas he speaks of a Tyrannical usage he desires to know whom he presses whether the House of Commons there or here And Mr. Whitlock added That my Lord of Strafford in his defence of the last Article let fall some things that were an Aspersion on the whole state of Ireland the Lords and Commons there Assembled for he said Their Lordships might perceive the truth of the Remonstrance presented from thence on a former occasion and now he speaks of a Tyrannical Government on his making of Orders which himself mentions to be made by the House of Commons in Ireland And therefore their Lordships were desired to vindicate the Honor of the Kingdom of Ireland which suffers by those aspersions Sir Iohn Clotworthy further insisted on it That their Lordships are witnesses of the many Commendations my Lord of Strafford hath formerly issued concerning the people of Ireland as long as they were subservient to his Courses and could not find a way to extricate themselves from his Lord ships yoke they were cryed up to be numbred amongst the best of His Majesties Subjects Now when they are seeking to vindicate and relieve themselves from his heavy yoke they must be called a people he knows not how bad and therefore beseeches their Lordships that they may be set right in their Lordships opinions The reading of the Order being opposed by the Committee as tending nothing to the Cause Mr. Maynard alleadging that my Lord would have them ready to give their Lordships satisfaction why they should not be read for he imports they be tyrannical and something he would deduce out of them to the aspersion of others Whence my Lord of Strafford added only on the execution of them And Mr. Maynard replyed prove them on the Execution they were at last permitted to be read One dated 27 Feb. 1640. importing THat whereas great sums of Money have been raised by Customs above the Rent and my Lord of Strafford and Sir George Ratcliff are impeached of High Treason therefore it is Ordered That all persons that have Money of His Majesties in their hands concerning the Monopolies shall forthwith bring the same into his Highness Receipt and the Commissioners appointed to oversee the Ports shall bring in their Letters Patents to be considered of and because the Customs of Dublin amount to â… of Ireland and the now Collector is not responsible for his great charge if he should miscarry therefore Sir Edw. Bagshaw Kt. now Customer and Collector shall collect all the Customes and pay the same into the Receipt That the Magazine-keeper of Tobacco shall forthwith return a true List of all Tobacco remaining in his hands and what was sold since Michaelmas 1637. and to what account and what Moneys are received and to whom the same is paid and what Money Bonds Bills and other Debts remain unpaid of the Premisses and in whose hands they be And that all Customers and Officers in the Ports and Creeks do deliver into this House within two moneths a true List of all such seizures of Money Tobacco and other Commodities that they or any of them have made or compounded for or what remains in their hands and likewise all forfeited Bonds for Goods transported into England c. and of all Fees they have received and their Warrants and a Note of all such persons as receive Fees and are no Officers and what Fees c. for seven years last past The Second Order was dated 3 Mar. 1640. importing in effect That FOrasmuch as much Tobacco lies in the Magazines which is perished It is Ordered that certain persons in the Order named shall make sale thereof to the best advantage and the Contractors are required to make weekly Accounts of all the Moneys they shall receive or which shall accrue out of the Tobacco by them sold and deliver the Money to certain persons therein named or any two of them who are required to take the burden on them and receive the Account weekly due c. and to be answerable to His Majesty c. My Lord of Strafford observed that these he shewed to justifie that he could not give particular satisfaction those imployed being in prison And further that in the whole proceeding of this he had done nothing but what 's warrantable and howsoever it proves a good or a bad bargain that 's not in question for he never knew the goodness of a Bargain could make a Treason If every one that makes a bad bargain with the King should be a Traitor it were hard but at that time none would be a partner with them among them all that say it was so great a bargain That in fine the worst of this can but be that it is a Monopolie a sole buying and selling of
three as he takes it Being Asked in what Case it was He Answered A Merchant of Manchester trusted with Money or Commodities and being not able to pay him he sued him and so far that he got a Warrant and this was before my Lord Deputy on a Paper-Petition Being Asked How long the Soldiers remained there He Answered some three or four dayes till the Man surrendred himself to the Sergeant at Armes Edmond Berne being Sworn and Interrogated How many Soldiers were laid upon himself by vertue of this Warrant and For what cause and What Contempt and What was the loss and Whether the Soldiers were Armed He in his several Answers Deposed That there came to his House Ten of my Lord Deputies own Foot-guard and an Officer in the County of Wicklowe in Ireland in the Bernes Countrey 12 Miles from Dublin That it was on the 17 th or 18 th of October 1639 and they came on his Land under colour of a Contempt and there lay 15 dayes In which time they consumed and devoured all his Goods and Chattels they found at that time They Thrasht out three Ricks of Corn one of Wheat one of Rye the other of Oates which were very well worth 50 l. at the least After they had Thrashed this Corn and devoured the Victuals they found in the house and about the house they sent some of this Corn to a Market-Town within three Miles called Bray and that they sold for Tobacco Aquavitae some Beer and Victuals for themselves And they would not be content with this to satisfie themselves on his Goods but they must bring in the Women of the Town and made the Women drink and offered to Ravish them but that some of the Town came in to Rescue them That after they had consumed all his Goods they broke up his Tenants doors killed their Geese their Hens and destroyed their Victuals and when they had destroyed all his Tenants Goods they came on the Town-people which were not his Tenants and broke open their doors and struck them and eat their Victuals and killed their Geese and Hens and after they came to his Tenant one Timothy Wells they came on his Land and understanding he was his Tenant they took away 40 English Sheep and brought them to his house and there that night they killed two of them That his Tenant understanding them to be there referred himself to the Lord Chief Justice of Ireland then and Petitioned to this purpose that is my Lord Dillon and Sir Christopher Wainsford that Mr. Wells which was his Tenant had an Order to take away his Sheep from the Soldiers and then the Soldiers Reply'd That since he had got an Order to take away his Sheep they were sorry they did not kill more of them That they were not content to have Wood which was for his the Deponents own fuell and to destroy that but they burnt his Partitions his very House-door sold his Trunck his Bedsteads his Dining-Table and all they could light on in his house that after this time he was not able to keep house but left his Wife and Children to the courtesie of his friends and was fain to flie his Countrey and to serve in the Low Countreys as a Soldier that he may very well take it on his oath that this loss was at least 500 l. out of his way for he was not able to sow the Fallowes and was fain to break up House and Home and was never able to keep House since That this was upon colour of a contempt upon a Petition preferred against him to my Lord Deputy by Mr. Thomas Archibald for a pretended debt of a matter of Ten pounds and these Soldiers were armed with Swords Musquets and Halbeards some of them Being Interrogated on my Lord of Strafford's motion whether he the Lord Strafford was then in Ireland He Answered That before the Soldiers came on his Land my Lord Deputy came to England But Mr. Palmer observed that the Warrant was from my Lord Deputy and Mr. Palmer added that all will refer to the time of the Warrant dormant Being asked what Warrant was shewed for laying on these numbers of Foot He Answered That he durst not come in their sight But Mr. Maynard observed that this was one of the men Savill did lay Soldiers on and therefore it behoved to be by that Warrant Being asked whether the Debt might not have been compounded for 5 l. and why he would not rather pay 5 l. than suffer prejudice to 500 l He Answered to the First Yes To the Second That he conceived the Debt not lawfully due Mr. Robert Kennedy being Sworn and Interrogated what he knew of the laying of Soldiers on the said Berne and the occasion and what they did He Answered That one Archibald preferred a Petition against Berne for a pretended Debt to my Lord Lieutenant and as his usual course was his Lordship would referr the matter to the two next Justices of Peace uninteressed and they to determine the matter by consent if they could else to certify that the party bringing the Petition to him the Deponent desired him to draw the Warrant according to my Lord-Lieutenants Order They sent a Warrant for Berne who appearing they examined the business and it was so trivial that he the Deponent desired them to compound it Berne stood on it that the Plaintiff ought to have none and would pay him none They certified my Lord Lieutenant After this Certificate he the Deponent heard not of it till he heard that Soldiers came to this Gentlemans Land and hearing of it and that some Tenants of his the Deponents were wronged by it he came thither and some of them he knew and asking by what authority they were there We come say they by Warrant of the Sergeant at Arms Mr. Pigott That the Deponent thereupon said Mr. Pigott hath no Warrant Yes say they my Lord Lieutenants and he directed us not to leave till Berne delivered his Body for a contempt That he the Deponent Answered Though you have a Warrant for lying on his Land you have no Warrant to destroy his Goods for they were selling his Corn and loaded the Horses that went through the Town That there was to the number of 8 or 12 of my Lords Guard armed with Pikes and Guns and Swords But my Lord of Strafford he thinks was not then in Ireland he was newly gone Being asked on my Lord of Strafford's motion whether he saw the Warrant under Pigotts hand He Answered He did not but the Soldiers told him Pigott laid them on the Land by virtue of my Lord Deputies Warrant Being asked how long Pigott had been a Sergeant He Answered About Ten years And whether there was any more than two He Answered No more that attended the State and Mr. Kenneday added that he wondred at the course for he never heard of any such course before my Lord of Straffords time Mr. Palmer here observed that they were
the Kings debt it might be one of the Rents or some duty leviable by consent of the people neither did he say it was on a suit before the Deputy and therefore that will not come to the Case For that my Lord Dillon was called again touching Contribution Composition and Rents Composition-Rents fall under the same Consideration That Sir Thomas Wayneman laid soldiers is but an affirmation and expects no answer but if the Information be true he used very violent courses for it hath appeared he hanged a man without any occasion My Lord produced the Instructions of 1628. and out of them inforced that it might be lawful for him to levy Soldiers with authority but it appears by the first Article it was consented to at the writing and for the Benefit of the Subject as was before answered and that very much money was assigned for the Soldiers and it may be proved if there be occasion That there issued Acquittances to the Captains of the Company to deliver to the persons from whom the Money was due in case of payment and if they did not pay by consent Soldiers were laid and not otherwise For the Proclamation of December 1633. whereby the payment of His Majesties Rents and Revenues was ordered it recites divers Rents were behind that the surplusage would not pay the Soldiers that by want of Money the Soldiers might make irruptions on the County That according to direction to prevent inconveniencies Moneys should be levied which had Rise from the Instructions 1628. For the time of it was 1633. A Proclamation might well second that which was setled before by the Instructions If it did not pursue them surely the Proclamation was an offence in it self and then there is no justification of a Treason by a Treason but it might have been as well objected against as this in hand But it is true it hath the countenance of these Instructions But on all these there is no pretence of forcing submission to my Lord of Strafford's Orders After Usuage his Lordship observes the Testimonies produced and takes exceptions to that of Berne that the ground of his complaint was when my Lord of Strafford was in England That it was done by Pygott's Warrants who was not proved to have any Warrant from him It is true there is no full and precise proof that Pygott had his Warrant from my Lord of Strafford But though it was done after his coming for England yet if his Warrant were made before though it were executed in his absence it will lay it on my Lord of Strafford But we say the Warrant was made before and to Pygott as well as Savill One Witness says Pygott himself did vouch my Lord of Strafford to have given him his Warrant it was my Lord Lieutenants Warrant he was my Lord Lieutenants Sergeant the Soldiers were my Lord Lieutenants Troopers the Soldiers laid by Savill are by my Lord Deputies Warrant proved to be under his Hand and Seal and many Witnesses are in Savills Case produced And whereas my Lord says no Warrant was shewed if himself had not excepted against it a true Copy had been produced and if none be shewed it is his own fault but my Lord of Strafford should have shewed it if any thing was in it to qualifie the matter for it is proved he gave authority and by his authority the Soldiers were laid Whereas my Lord says this cause was not complained of Berne gives the reason he durst not complain there but came over hither to complain and hath prosecuted the complaint My Lord of Strafford was pleased to aske Ardah what he heard concerning laying of Soldiers It is true he and Savill mention the laying on Soldiers on Fitzgerard but it was for the Kings Money and they spake it not on their own knowledge but by hear-say and it was done but once and whether since the Instructions it doth not appear and if it was since then it was by consent and this Fitzgerard lay out as a Rebel and if it was done it was done under that capacity To that point a Witness was produced Mr. Kennedy being Interrogated Whether he the said Fitzgerard did did not lye in the nature of a Rebel when Soldiers were laid on him He Answered That this Fitzgerard was Sheriff in the County of Corke and failing in his Accompt at the time Process was issued on his Recognizance and he held out three or four years That he the Deponent being then the Kings Remembrancer thought it his duty to acquaint the Barons of the Exchequer that he could not be found but kept abroad in the Woods being a man of good Estate and then on acquainting my Lord of Faulkland with it a Warrant was procured to the Sergeant at Arms. Henry Dillon says nothing of the Usage but pretends one Thimbleby said he had a Warrant but whether he had a Warrant or did execute it appears not And if it be so it appears not for what time when it was nor out of what Court the Process came upon which the last Assessment was made This is all offered in matter of Fact my Lord proceeds to other justifications First That His Majesties Deputy is so qualified that he hath power to resist Rebels and secure Peace and it is true he hath power but he hath no power at all to make a War especially in time of Peace now all things are appeased there and no occasion is given of a War only that Soldiers be maintained for a Nursery of Martial Discipline but there is no occasion of Soldiers to be laid on the Kings people He alledged a Stat. 10 H. 7. that no War or Peace should be made but by the Deputies Licence and therefore he infers that by the Deputy War might be made It is true where there is hostility or Rebellion then to oppose and repress that Rebellion the Deputy may make a defensive War but to do it in time of Peace on the Kings people that are under the Government of His Majesties Laws is to make War on the Kings Subjects under His Peace and Protection and consequently on the Sovereign Power that doth protect them He would compare it with forcible Entry but the circumstances do very much diversity it from Riots or forcible Entries It is done by Soldiers that come furnished with all warlike Ammunition brought from Garrisons the places of War brought with an Officer brought in numbers and though the Lord of Strafford extenuates the numbers yet the Sergeant at Arms was unlimited So the power given to him was a vast power to take such a number of Soldiers as he should think fit His Lordship observes that the Stat. of 18. H. 6. cannot conclude him because Statutes here in England do not include the King unless he be nominated in them the Committee expected not to hear this reason That because the Kings Sacred Person is not mentioned in a Statute who cannot be within the blemish of such an offence therefore it
turned over to Mr. Ralton my Lords Agent and must give Bond to repair and make his appearance in Ireland Before that Bond was discharged he did return and after his return he Petitioned to be Discharged of this Bond he conceiving he might come over without Licence having no Estate nor Office in Ireland yet notwithstanding he was Sentenced Fined and Imprisoned It is true the Cause expressed in the Sentence is Because he went away not being Examined and the Sentence expresses That he is not Fined for coming without Licence but because he came away without being Examined Henry Parry Sworn was Interrogated Whether the Copy showed unto him was a true Copy of Secretary Cooks Warrant He Answered That he examined it with the Original The Warrant was Read THese are in His Majesties Name to will and Command you to make your present repair to any place where you shall understand of the of Henry Parry Gent. lately come out of Ireland without Licence and by Vertue hereof to take him into Custody and keep him safe till you hear from me Greenwich 20 June 1633. To Thomas Welch Messenger of the Kings Chamber Henry Parry being Interrogated What were the Proceedings with him about his Examinations in Ireland before his coming over And What was the whole Process of the business He Answered That 21 April 1638 my Lord of Ely then Lord Chancellor his Lord and Master was Committed to the Castle of Dublin and no sooner Committed but he the Deponent was sent for to the Council Board and an Oath Administred to him by the Clerk of the Council on my Lord of Straffords direction That thereupon his Lordship Interrogated him Where the Great Seal was He answered his Lordship That he knew not where it was unless it was with my Lord of Ely And after his Lordship had Examined him to that he Commanded him to attend the Iudges the next day to be Examined on some Papers of his the Deponents which his Lordship had seized and brought to the Council 〈◊〉 and thereupon he was dismissed at night That Monday next this being Saturday he attended the Iudges alone to be Examined and attended not only that day but five dayes more from thence to Saturday That on Saturday my Lord of Ely told him He had occasion to send him over into England and desired him to go That he did come away with some Letters from his Lordship to some of his Lordships Friends here And as soon as he came here with Instructions from his Lordship the Instructions were given to his Lordships Friends to Sollicite His Sacred Majesty for his Relief and Enlargement out of Prison and he continued a matter of two Months or thereabouts and on that one Thomas Welsh by Vertue of Secretary Cookes Warrant attached him and kept him in Restraint about three weeks At the end of three weeks he was sent for to Mr. Ralton who told him It was Secretary Cookes pleasure he should enter into Bond to go into Ireland else he should be sent by a Messenger That he the Deponent Answered He could not pay a Messenger but if he could not get leave to stay he would enter into Bond to go to Ireland That Mr. Ralton took a Bond to appear the 10 th or 12 th of August following this being in Iuly 1638. That he came into Ireland according to the Tenor of his Bond. That my Lord of Strafford being to go into the Country he presented himself before his Lordship in the Gallery at the Castle and acquainted his Lordship that he was there to attend his Lordship according to the Tenor of the Bond. His Lordship Asked him Who took his Bond he acquainted his Lordship That it was his Agent Mr. Ralton His Lordship Asked What Warrant had Mr. Ralton to take Bond of you He the Deponent acquainted his Lordship He did not know any Warrant he had but he said He had direction from Secretary Cook My Lord Asked further Where he took the Bond if at the Signet-Office No said he the Deponent It was at his own house My Lord Answered That he the Deponent might do well to attend at the next sitting of the Council-Board And that he the Deponent going away his Lordship called him back and said Methinks Mr. Parry you are much Sun-burned the weather is very hot in England He the Deponent Answered again The weather is very fair His Lordship Interrogated him Where my Lady Moore was and How she did He the Deponent acquainted his Lordship She was in England Here my Lord of Strafford interrupted him Asking If this was to the Business but having direction to go on He Added That my Lord Asked him Why he did not stay abroad to help my Lady Moore to spread abroad her Malice against him my Lord of Strafford to which he the Deponent said He could say nothing and so was dismissed That afterwards he attended with a Petition of my Lord of Ely's and that my Lord Asked him Where his Petition was He said He had not any but presented his Person His Lordship told him That it was Councel-Board-day for Petitions and wished him to come some other time yet after was called back and had an Answer to the Petition That the Tuesday following as he takes it he appeared before his Lordship again without any Petition not knowing any cause he had to Petition That the next day after he Petition'd and on Reading his Petition the Constable of the Castle was called and thereupon he the Deponent was Committed and Censured as he was told the next day 500 l. That his Lordship Declared the Order of the Board That he the Deponent was Fined 500 l. Bound to his Good Behaviour Committed to the Castle of Dublin and to Acknowledge his Offence at the Board and to Mr. Ralton and there he continued in Prison and was utterly Ruined Being Asked Whether he was heard to Answer in the Cause or Whether he was Examined after his Return He Answered That he never put in Answer in Writing nor was there any Petition against him but only his own Petition nor further Required to be Examined from that day to this Being Asked How much of his Fine he paid He Answered That before he could see his Order he was fain to pay Sir Paul Davis 45 l. and when he saw his Order for reducing it for it was reduced from 500 l. to 250 l. of which he paid 184 l. Mr. Palmer proceeded observing That the next thing was a Refusal of the whole Kingdom to Present their Complaints It is true said he it was not by my Lord of Strafford himself but it ensued on these Acts and Proclamations and that was hindering the Committee of the Parliament that were to come over to make a Remonstrance of their Grievances to His Majesty Sir Robert Smith being Sworn and Interrogated Whether he was imployed by the House of Commons to come over hither and Whether he was deny'd Licence He Answered
That we were sent for by my Lord Deputy Wainsford and he put us as we conceived them several catching Questions as If they had not my Lord Deputies Licence and the Boards Whether they would repair to England or no We Answered That in obedience to the House of Commons we did intend to repair to England No sayes my Lord Deputy Answer me Catagorically Would you go or no If we would Command you not to go to this we Answered No being between two Jurisdictions both from His Majesty for we had a Command from the House of Commons and a Counter-Command from His Majesty and we were denied Licence and a restraint of Ships for that cause they conceived to restrain them Being asked whether the Deputy did know the House of Commons had ordered them to come over and yet refused He answered the Lord Deputy did know it it was apparently known to all the Kingdom Mr. Fitz-gerard being examined to the same points as Sir Robert Linch He Answered That after the the Session of Parliament 1 Octob. last and the House of Commons had travelled till the 6 Nov. in the affairs of the Kingdom the grand Committee had heard and discussed many grievances general and particular and voted them to the House That about the beginning of Nov. the House entred into consideration of those grievances and drew up a Petition of Remonstrances to be presented to the Lord Deputy which was voted in the House of Commons 7 Nov. 9 Nov. the whole House attended with the Speaker and the Speaker read it publiquely before him The grievances were of that nature that they did Humbly and of Right as he remembers petition for redress of those grievances that the House conceiving the Parliament would be Prorogued or Dissolved before Redress was given they entred into consideration of a course to present it to His Majesty And 11 Nov. made an Order that the Committee should be appointed to repair to England with a Caution That if Redress should not be had before Dissolution or Prorogation of the Parliament that Committee should not proceed 12 Nov. it was Prorogued without Redress that the next day after Prorogation the Committee was summoned to attend at the Board and there was interrogated severally on a question as far as he can remember viz. Of their intention to go into England whether they would aske leave to go into England and admitting my Lord Deputy should command them not to goe till His Majesties pleasure was known whether they would go To all they were severally to answer and Catagorically this was my Lord Deputies word after Answer given they were ordered to withdraw and being called in again it was made known by the Lord Deputy Wainsford That he and the Lords had considered the whole matter and bade them take notice there was a Proclamation restraining all the Subjects of Ireland to make repair to England till application was made to the Deputy That he engaged them in Allegiance not to depart till he the Lord Deputy had known His Majesties pleasure whether they should goe or no which he would labour to know speedily The next thing Mr. Palmer offered was the Irish Remonstrance which was read To the Right Honourable the Lord Deputy The humble and just Remonstrance of the Knights Citizens and Burgesses in Parliament THe Petitioners do conceive great and strong fears of a Proclamation published in this Kingdom Anno 1635. Prohibiting men of Quality or Estate to depart this Kingdom without the Lord Deputies Licence whereby the Subjects of this Kingdom are hindred and interrupted from free access to His said Majesty and Privy Council of England to obtain remedies against their just grievances as their Ancestors have had since the Reign of H. 2. and great Fees exacted for the said Licences And so Mr. Palmer summed up the Evidence That by the Proposition made before my Lord Deputies going over it appeared what was intended That no complaints of oppression should be made without address First to the Deputy and what followed declares plainly the execution of it That notwithstanding the injustice and oppression done complaints could not be received By the former Article their Lordships have heard what he did there and the great causes of complaint After in time is the Proclamation their Lordships see the use made of it that those who had made complaints against my Lord himself and his Orders were refused to have Licence some that adventured to come without Licence were Fined and Imprisoned to their utter ruine The whole Parliament when the Order was well known were refused to have Licence it is true not by my Lord of Strafford but the Deputy who coloured his denial from these Acts of my Lord of Strafford what fears they had their Lordships may apprehend by the Remonstrance My Lord of Strafford assumed a great power to himself all Addresses being first made to him and the Subject thereby excluded from His Majesty till such address was made so that his Lordship is not Par negotio but Supra above all the authority committed to him not an Accessary but Principal not in the nature of a Subject but Domini and so he expected his Lordships Answer My Lord of Strafford after a little time of recollecting himself began his Defence in substance as followeth That he should only apply himself to the things in charge as near as he could and give the fairest Answer he could where by the way he alledged That he might very justifiably say he had never in his life other thoughts or intentions before his going into Ireland or during his abode there but justly and faithfully in the service of His Majesty and the Kingdom nor did he ever desire or intend any thing so much as to introduce the English Laws and Government there And whereas he is charged with a subversion of the fundamental Laws he may say he thinks with Truth and Modesty that the Laws had never so free a passage that never any Deputy gave less interruption to the proceedings of the Law than it had during all his time That it did not appear by all that hath been said that there was any stay of legal proceedings for all the Causes spoken of him came originally and primarily before they depended in any other Court and that he never hindred but gave all furtherance to the passage of the Common-Law and therefore if their Lordships find as they cannot but expect from him much Error and mistakes he besought them out of their Goodness and Nobleness to apply it rather to his Infirmity and Weakness than to any habit of ill he had got as he trusts he should make appear to their Lordships The Charge is to have procured with an intent of oppression a stop of all complaints of Injustice that none might be received in England unless it appeared That the party did make his address to him To prove this the Gentlemen have read a Proposition of his made
him in his protection and would never forsake him and whatsoever he should loose in this world he would make it up to him in another world And for this purpose Mr. Riley was produced who being questioned whether he was imployed in suing out a Commission for examining of witnesses in Ireland in a Cause concerning my Lord of Esmond and Sir Peirce Crosby Mr. Riley Answered That he was imployed as Clarke in the Cause where Mr. Attorney was Plaintiff by Relation of my Lord Lieutenant against my Lord of Esmond and Sir Peirce Crosby and when that Cause came to Commission they for the Defendant brought Commissioners names and did joyn in that Bond but he cannot remember the time Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion whether Sir Pierce Crosby or my Lord of Esmond fued it out He Answered he could not directly say but the Clerk for the Defendants could Mr. Ralton being asked to the same point He Answered that he remembers that about this time 1638 or 1639. Commissions were sued out in the business between my Lord Lieutenant and my Lord of Esmond and Sir Pierce Crosby and that he was very confident that my Lord of Esmond had the benefit of examining Witnesses My Lord of Strafford observed that these Gentlemen stirred up those things to beget an ill opinion of him but in short answered they were not in his Charge And further That he conceived my Lord of Esmond was stayed on a complaint of Sir Walsingham Cokes concerning a practice of his to the endangering of Sir Walsingham's life And that he was stayed upon that account to be examined and if he the Lord Strafford was not mistaken my Lord Esmond was after examination left at liberty But these things he said were rather aggravations of his Charge than within the Charge and therefore he humbly conceived that in these cases their Lordships would allow him liberty and hoped the Gentlemen will likewise allow it that so he might satisfie them their Lordships and all the world that he hath carried himself justly and fairly in all these particulars Also assuring himself that these Gentlemen were willing he should give the best answer to all these things he could And so he would and that with all respect and reverence to them in the world The next Case is my Lord Roches and his Lordship conceives that my Lord Roche himself gives a fair answer for he was informed against him in the Starchamber and my Lord of Strafford said indeed he remembred there was such an occasion for it as he was willing to forget it for that noble Gentlemans Cause and that the complaint was of so high a nature against my Lord Roche as he was not willing to press it to his prejudice nor ever did but where there was great reason and when he should come to answer for it for he imagines it is not expected he should answer it finally now being not within his Charge Heaven should justifie him and shew that he had reason to stay him at that time The next is Dermond Mac-Cartyes and the Cause of his stay appears to be That he would go abroad for his Breeding Now if he and such other should go to Doway and S t Omer he thinks their Lordships and the House of Commons would have blamed him more for giving him and such persons leave then faulted him for restraining them And had he alleadged That he intended to go over to Complain of that Decree he would not have hindred him and to that purpose he hath Witnesses that he never stayed any Man that pretended he would complain of him The Decree was made by a Letter from His Majesty on a notable fraud of Mac-Carty the Father in the Case of Sir Iames Craig and he that Swears in it is Solicitor in the Cause and so not altogether so competent a Witness But these are all on the by and come rather to prove an Intention then that which is pressed on him as a thing to which he is properly and finally to Answer The next is concerning the Sentence of Mr. Parry in which business my Lord humbly offered That no Testimony is yet produced other than the Testimony of the Party himself Now if the Judge may be Convinced and Condemned on the single Testimony of the Party grieved he knows no man would willingly sit in Judgment on these Termes and out of this single VVitness being qualified with the attribute of the party grieved Must he be Condemned that was one of the Judges But as they have Proved nothing Judicially that can weigh with their Lordships it will be fit for him to justifie himself for this Sentence so far as comes to his share for all the whole Board consented to it And therefore he besought their Lordships to give him the honor To offer the Sentence given against Mr. Parry wherein their Lordships would see the Reason that it was not for departing without Licence but for great and foul neglects and contempts to the Board Mr. Gibson Attesting it to be a true Copy the Decree of the Deputy and Council was Read being in substance WHereas Henry Parry one of them who attended the Lord Chancellor as his Lordships Register-keeper or Clerk for private Iudicatures and Keeper of the Books of these Private Proceedings was Commanded to attend the Board to be Examined And whereas in Contempt thereof he not onely neglected to attend accordingly but departed this Kingdom which being represented to His Majesty it pleased His Majesty to require his return hither to attend this Board To which end a Bond was taken for his Appearance here the next Council-day after the 12th of Aug. and whereas he was present himself at this Board 9th October 1638 but offered no Petition as if he disdained so far to humble himself to this Authority whereupon it ebing made known to him That it became him in the Duty he owed to the dignity of this Board to come by Petition as all other Men but he forbearing to exhibit his Petition till he was called by us the Deputiee to do it and then when he exhibited it he therein misrecited his Offence alleadging it to be for his repairing to England without Licence Licence whereas his Offence was The disobeying the Orders of this Board Secondly He laid a Tax on William Ralton Esq Alleadging That on pretence of Direction from Secretary Cooke he took his Bond for Appearance here whereas he knew it was not by any feigned direction but by appointment of Secretary Cooke by His Majesties Direction Thirdly In stead of humbling himself he desired Cancelling of his Bond and Dismission from attendance and the rather because he conceived he had not in any degree transgressed the Proclamation cautelously alledging that to be his Offence which was not laid to his Charge And for as much as his first Offence in Estoyning himself to shun the guilt whereof he was convinced and after his bold and insolent behaviour at
this Board in answering plainly That he conceived the Command of the Lord Chancellor ought to free him from the Command of this Board deserves such proceedings against him as may be both Punishment to him and Example to others It is therefore Ordered That he stand Fined in 500 l. Bound to his Good Behaviour stand Committed to the Castle during the Deputies pleasure and make acknowledgment of his Offence at this Board And the Form of his Submission is set down I Acknowledge I presented a Presumptuous and Untrue Petition c. Given 30 October 1638. The Names of those that Subscribed it were also Read Whence my Lord of Strafford observed That he was not Sentenced for going without Licence but for other Causes and desired my Lord Dillon and Sir Adam Loftus whose hands are to the Decree0 might be Asked a Question or two And first to the business of my Lord of Esmond which had been forgot before Robert Lord Dillon being asked Whether he remembred any Charge laid against my Lord of Esmond for a practice against Sir Walsingham Coke whereupon being Examined And When it was He Answered That he remembred it was about that time when a Letter was written from the Judges of Assize that went the Circuit of the County of Wexford and they Reported That they had taken Examinations Whereupon it was mistrusted or at least suggested That my Lord of Esmond was to set some on to cut off Sir Walsingham Coke and this being taken into consideration it was resolved That till the Judges had determined Whether it was Treason or not he should be stayed for a time and as he takes it it was Resolved he should be Advertised into England Being Asked on Mr. Maynards Motion What time this was He Answered The Question is sudden to him but it was much about the time that my Lord of Esmond had been in Town before but he cannot expresly speak to the time But my Lord of Strafford observed That the Complaint came from the Judges of Assize when they came from the Circuit and that was alwayes about August Lord Dillon being Asked What year it was He Answered He cannot tell the year of the Lord in Terms but he remembers it was much about that time when my Lord of Esmond was Questioned and about Summer Circuit My Lord of Strafford proposing That my Lord Dillon might be Asked What he remembred of the Sentence against Parry and What his behaviour was To this Mr. Maynard excepted as not proper to Examine the Judge Whether his Sentence was just or no To which my Lord of Strafford Answered That it is as equal the Judge that gives Sentence should be Examined as the party against whom the Sentence is given That this is a Sentence for things spoken and done at the Board which stands not on such Niceties but Contempts and Misdemeanors to a Court are frequently determined without Examination of Witnesses and this is a Misdemeanor done in the place But my Lord Dillon being spared from Answering Sir Adam Loftus was Examined What he knew of that practice of my Lord of Esmond against Sir Walsingham Cokes Life And when He Answered That the first time he heard of it was upon an Information of the Judges of the Circuit to my Lord Deputy then in Ireland as he takes it and he thinks my Lord was not then in Town but sent that Information to the Council at Dublin his Lordship being then at his Countrey-house and therein some Practice against Sir Walsingham Coke of certain Rebels and Outlawes that had laid in Ambush near his house was set forth and thereupon that Letter was sent to the Council to Consider of it and take course for his Security That this was not all neither for the Examination of a Rebel in the Castle brought it home nearest to my Lord of Esmonds Case But because the Rebel was a Man of that condition it was not thought his Testimony could be prevalent against my Lord of Esmond therefore the other Witnesses were sent for to be Examined in the Cause Now this Course of Examination held a matter of three weeks or a month or thereabouts he doth not well know the time but these Men not concurring with the Testimony of the Rebel in Restraint there was no words made of it but my Lord of Esmond was dismissed and left to take his own Course The time was as he takes it in the Summer Assizes 1637 or 1638 he knows not which And this is the truth and all he knows of the business Whence my Lord of Strafford Inferred That being under that Charge of Sergeant-Major-General of the Army he denyed him liberty to go into England but as soon as he was clear he had his Licence Mr. Maynard desiring their Lordships to observe that my Lord of Strafford Explained himself thus That he thought so or very shortly after And added That the Gentleman is very quick with him being a Man of great understanding and himself a weak Man But that he means very justly and would not be taken in an Untruth and said That he hath a Servant that was with him when my Lord of Esmonds Agent came to him at his House in the Countrey And desired he might be Asked What Answer he gave him Francis Wetheringe being Asked VVhat he knew concerning my Lord of Straffords giving of Licence to my Lord of Esmond He Answered That he remembers very well that the Gentlemen were Examined before they came to Fairework-Parke while he was waiting on his Lordship at that time the Gentleman came to him and desired him to tell my Lord he would speak with him that he heard my Lord say It was concerning his Licence to repair to England and my Lord said He should have it but it was Winter time and he would let it alone till the Spring Being Asked What Month it was He Answered He could not very well remember but it was the latter end of Summer as he thought Mr. Ralton being Asked Whether the business of my Lord of Esmond and Sir Walsingham Coke were not Advertized over hither He Answered That he doth very well remember the business he being then Agent for my Lord Lieutenant That in one of his Letters or the Councils Advertisement was given of this practice against Sir Walsingham Coke and as he takes it was in Sept. 1638. or thereabouts and that my Lord was pleased to do him the said Mr. Ralton the favour to give him some passages of it Therefore my Lord of Strafford desired These things might not stick with their Lordships or the House of Commons to his prejudice when he had not Means nor Possibility to make his Defence but that in Charity they would reserve their Opinions till they sound the truth to the bottom and then he hoped he should appear an honest Man and that was all he pretended to For the Remonstrance of the House of Commons in Ireland it is no Evidence
redress of Grievances and Oppressions and that is in the Charge against my Lord of Strafford For the Instructions of May 1628 on a Petition by the Inhabitants the Petition was That they might make personal Residence at least half a year but that related to Undertakers and others that have Lands and Offices there and so was for the same purpose that the Lands should be safeguarded But certainly there is great difference between Residence and Restraining a Resort hither to make Complaint to His Majesty It is true there should be a Residence they were not to depart without Licence but if they had Temporary occasions or Reasons of Complaint it is not against the Instructions that Licences should be deny'd My Lord insists on this that it is the Law of the Land and agreeable to the Laws of this Land and he would willingly bring the Laws of this Land into Ireland But under favour the Laws of this Land are not so It is no offence or Contempt for any Subject to depart this Land without Licence Our Books are so The Statute 5 R. 2. did provide that none should depart without License a general Prohibition except they were Lords and good Merchants Therefore by the Law before that Statute was any Man might depart without License and that Statute is since Repealed by a Statute made 4 Iac. So that by the Common Law of England the passage is open again and it is no offence at all to depart without Licence It is true His Majesty may restrain by a Ne exeat Regno c. or by a Proclamation on special Causes but till then the passage is open and they may depart by the Law of the Land and the Penalty is only in the Case of the Absentees My Lord alledges the Kings Letter There is as much skill as can be for a Defence The Proclamation reciting these Letters and the Instructions But the grounds are false for that which is appliable to a Residence for Defence my Lord makes a ground to restrain all kind of Resort My Lord takes notice of his Moderation in Executing the Kings Letter in respect of the distance of time between the Letter Ianuary 1634 and the Proclamation Sept. 1635. If it had been a Service to His Majesty it should have been speeded sooner It was a disservice in being so long delayed if the matter required it but there was something else It was not fit for my Lords opportunity till then and when it was fit he publish'd it and not before My Lord deserting his Justification by the Proclamation as a Temporary Law as he may for Proclamations be not Temporary Laws in case they be against Law but Publication of Lawes Now he insists on this That by his Commission he himself hath not power to publish Proclamations but by advice of others So the power is not in himself alone for he had the Concurrence of other Counsellors joyned with him Mr. Palmer desired their Lordships to observe his own Answer and the Reason why that Unreasonable allowance was got which is That he is Responsible for the Justice of that place and if he be so he takes but their Concurring with him in a thing so much against Law it may make it an Offence in them it cannot extenuate his Offence He insists on a necessity of this that it is fit for that Kingdom and wishes it might be so continued and that in several respects in respect of O Neale and Tirconnel and the Rebels that adhere to them and that it might be dangerous if those in Ireland should go out at their pleasure Indeed if their Resort were thither it were true But the Commons having offered nothing but their Request to come into England where there is no O Neale nor Tirconnel to Complain to the King of Oppressions and however my Lord of Strafford doth conceive it fit in Ireland their Lordships hear by the Remonstrance what Just Fears they apprehended It is an Innovation brought on them which was never on their Ancestors from the time of Henry the Second The next thing was his Demeanor in the Execution of this Proclamation Then he made that General Protestation That these particulars were not Complained of To which Mr. Palmer said He must Answer as before My Lord hath put it in Issue That he never did deny Licence which casts the Commons on Proof That that in particular hath been deny'd The Case of my Lord of Esmond is observed to be in time 1638. And whereas it is said A License was deny'd because there was some Charge against him of practising against Sir Walsingham Cook This needs no other Answer but what Sir Adam Loftus has given That the business was continued in Examination no longer than three weeks or thereabouts and was then dismist whereas the Denyal continued longer But if it be truely informed This demand of Licence to come over was in August the Information came not till September after so that the Information cannot be applyed to avoid the Denyal of the License Torky being Asked the time of year the Summer Assizes used to be in Ireland He Answered That he hath observed them since his knowledge of that Kingdom to be in September for the County of Wexford Whence Mr. Palmer Inferred That if the Petition were in August the Assizes in September this could be no Reason why in August an Information in September should be the Cause of denying the License My Lord sayes afterwards He did give him a License but your Lordships may remember it was not till the opportunity was past of examining Witnesses And whereas it hath been said in Answer That my Lord of Esmond did joyn and Riley was produced yet Riley sayes There were two Defendants Sir Pierce Crosby and my Lord Esmond and for whom the Commission was he cannot tell And if there were a Commission it is very ordinary to have more then one and if it be desired a second is just as the first Mr. Ralton sayes he is confident there was a Commission if there was so Why is not that Record produced The next particular was my Lord Roche and the Answer to that is That there was an Information against him in the Starchamber It is true but that had ceased half a year before he desired a License and therefore could not be a cause to hinder a Licence For Dermond Mac-Carty it is said his Petition was for liberty to go over for breeding and therefore he might go to Doway or St. Omer c. But their Lordships might observe this Petition was to come into England and the occasion was his Relation to that Suit and that is conceived the cause of denying that Licence for my Lord could not but know that Mac-Carty had relation to the suit before him which was decreed after a double dismission and it is no Exception that the Witness is his Sollicitor in the Cause It is ordinary that the Sollicitor be admitted a Witness and the best
Witness in Courts of Justice And to answer that fully and clearly it shall appear that this very thing is assigned by Secretary Little to be the reason why he should not go over that he might not complain of his suit and a Witness did depose to that effect Iohn Meaugh bein sworn and Interrogated to the Cause of denying the said Licence He Answers That he went to Dublin with Mac-Carty the Son with the Petition and that Secretary Little took the Petition in his hand and said Are not you Mac-Carty's Son Yes said he And you intend to go and complain against the Order my Lord conceived against your Father No indeed sayes he I do not Sayes the Secretary I will take your Petition and deliver it to my Lord and I believe my Lord will not grant your Request and they left the Petition and went out A little after a kinsman of his the Deputies Master Sir Valentine Brown said to him the Son I have heard my Lord hath granted your Request in your Petition so they came to the place to receive the Petition and this is the Petition shewed their Lordships when his the Deputies Master saw the Petition he would not take it Take notice Gentlemen saith Mr. Little what Charge he hath and if he doth any thing to the contrary let it be on his peril so they took the Petition and went away Against Parries Testimony First my Lord says he is a single Witness but if that be not admitted there is no need of his Testimony for Secretary Cook 's Warrant proves what was the reason and their Lordships may know whence that came His Sentence is thus far in question here whether he was sentenced for coming over or otherwise It is true and that is the iniquity of it the sentence doth express it to be for another Cause It is not usual in Sentences to say what it is not for but what it is for but it is for his not petitioning the Council-Table and setting forth after in his Petition that his offence was his coming overwithout Licence and saying Mr. Ralton pretended Secretary Cooks ' directions whereas he must so speak truth as not to be charged with a pretence And it were most just to sentence him for coming without Licence then for his being not called nor any way able to answer the Defence That others are joyned with him in the Sentence it doth not excuse his Lordship They shew the more dependencie upon him and by this means no complaints of Injustice or Oppression can be brought to any but himself and that brings them under his wing However the fault is in them as well as in him The Remonstrance he says is only a Charge but it is the Declaration and Voice of all the People of sufficient credit to represent their grievances what they conceive to be their true Liberty and how they have used it ever since the time of H. 2. Which is that they should have redress for grievances which is no other than the Common-Law That the Subject should have free Access to the Sovereign His last is That there is nothing of Treason in this And to this the same Answer is given as to all the rest which are not individual Treasons The Multiplication of Acts all containing something in them of an Arbitrary power conclude as effects from the cause from whence this proceeds And this thing is not so petty as my Lord makes it to deny the Access of the Subject to their Sovereign and tho it be allowed by His Majesties Letter and Instructions yet these being obtained by himself make it worse he taking so Sovereign a Power that Non sentit parem nec superiorem Mr. Palmer instanced in that great Case of the Marquis of Dublin that had the Dominion of Ireland granted him he had Merum maximum Imperium under the Broad Seal and his Patent passed in Parliament yet it was one of the Articles charged on him for it tended to the Severance of the Allegiance of the People from their King In the next Article their Lordships shall hear his demeanor to those of the Scotch Nation Mr. Maynard desired to add a word to what had been said First My Lord says that the particulars are not in the Charge but that is a mistake for this Case of Parry is particularly charged and divers others it is true the rest are general but this is particular so the Charge is good in that And whereas my Lord had endeavoured to justifie this by Law Mr. Maynard observed That they do not lay the point upon that how far the Subject may be restrained in that particular but here is the sting of my Lord of Strafford's proceedings he takes this be it lawful or unlawful to prevent the Complaints which might be brought to His Majesty against his Injustice for he hath done all that tothis people now an ill intent may make that ill which in it self otherwise will not be ill and he besought their Lordships to take this into consideration what a miserable condition the Subjects of Ireland are in when there are never so great grievances laid on them yet they cannot complain and no complaint can be received unless he that oppresses them gives them leave so to do and when their oppressions riâ— so high when shall he give them leave My Lord of 〈◊〉 says Thousands have come yea many he is sure that have not been punished nor questioned Whence Mr. Maynard observed That it is ill lâ—k that the oppressed are always punished others may go without punishment but it falls out unhappily That they that have Complaints against him are the men that are restrained and it may not be thought that they will bear a Complaint sometimes that they may seek a better opportunity when they shall see such examples that is one Fined for exhibiting a Petition and saying that is untrue when against another an Information that hath laid dead halfe a year shall be quickened upon that occasion and they must be punished more that are more oppressed as in the Case of my Lord of Esmond And whereas my Lord of Strafford says he never punished any where there was Complaint before Mr. Maynard besought their Lordships to observe that it is point blank contrary to the Evidence and Oath before their Lordships for in that particular Case of Mac-Carty there were two Dismissions It is true the Merits of the Causes are not proper to be offered but there is cause to take Confidence that where it is called a fraud on Mac-Carty's part when it is examined it will be a very heavy oppression And whereas it hath been said by way of Justification mitigation at least that there hath been no Fees taken for Licences but such as were given voluntarily except in case of Officers of the State or the Army proof was offered that Mr. Little that takes on him to swear for himself or his fellows tho he did not know
whether it were or no hath denyed Licence without Fees and that certain Fees were demanded shall be made appear Whereupon Richard Wade being Interrogated whether Fees were not demanded by the Secretaries for Licences of mens passage into England and what Fees He Answered That for Fees for my Lord of Esmond's Licence he was demanded 24 or 25 s. Patrick Gough being asked to that point He Answered That he remembers he hath taken Licences twice or thrice for my Lord Viscount Mountgomery and for every one of them paid 25 s. and for three of his servants 25 s. and that those were demanded for he the Deponent would have given less if they would have taken less and that these were demanded by Secretary Littles Servants Mr. Glyn desired one word more and the rather said he because it seems my Lord of Strafford slights this Article which is the most proved and the least answer'd of any yet heard their Lordships may observe what is laid to his charge the subverting of Laws and the introducing of a Tyrannical Government And before he goes about his work he puts off all means of redress beforehand that if he give any occasion of offence he that is offended shall not possibly have remedy His justification is because of that great danger that may ensue for they may joyn with Rebels but that 's a pretence Indeed he used that Argument when he moved it to His Majesty but it was that they might not come over to make complaints That his Propositions were made and entred at the Council-Table here he aggravates his offence and Mr Glyn did thus illustrate it That if a man come to him and desire leave to lye in his House if he gives the party leave and he by that means takes occasion to betray him or to commit Felony or steal his Goods That leave was well given but it aggravates the others offence when he doth mischief to him that lodged him So my Lord of Strafford's Proposition was fair but if their Lordships observe the subsequence of it that he might exercise his Power and leave the Subject without means of redress but they must come to himself for it Mr Glyn further said he thinks had he suffered under his hands after the example of my Lord Mountnorris he should be loth to say to his face he would complain An Act of Parliament he produces for his Justification which is plainly against him for it shews there were some that held Lands there by tenure and if they were not resident they forfeited Then comes the Act and says That those whom the King commands to be absent they shall not forfeit which shows they had a personal Power without Licence so that the very Law produced is expresly against him and there Lordships may see by his own Proposition the occasion of his introducing this Letter And Mr. Glyn concluded That he supposes that my Lord of Strafford hath made no answer to that And so the 16 th Article was finished and the 17 th and 18 th being for the present set aside the Committee that managed the Evidence proceeded to the 19 th Article THE Nineteenth Article The Charge 19. That the said Earl having Taxed and Levied the said Impositions and raised the said Monopolies and committed the said other Oppressions in His Majesties Name and as by His Majesties Royal Command He the said Earl in May the 15th year of His Majesties Reign did of his own authority contrive and frame a new and unusual Oath by the purport whereof among many other things the party taking the said Oath was to swear that he should not protest against any of His Majesties Royal Commands but submit himself in all Obedience thereunto which Oath he so contriv'd to enforce the same on the Subjects of the Scotish Nation inhabiting in Ireland and out of a hatred to the said Nation and to put them to a discontent with His Majesty and His Government there and compelled divers of His Majesties said Subjects there to take the said Oath a gainst their Wills and of such as refused to take the said Oath some he grievously Fined and Imprisoned and others he destroyed and exiled and namely the 10th of October Ann. Dom. 1639. He Fined Henry Steward and his Wife who refused to take the said Oath 5000 pounds apiece and their two Daughters and James Gray 3000 pounds apiece and imprisoned them for not paying the said Fines The said Henry Steward his Wife and Daughters and James Gray being the Kings Liege people of the Scotish Nation and divers others he used in like manner and the said Earl upon that occasion did declare that the said Oath did not only oblige them in point of Allegiance to His Majesty and acknowledgement of his Supremacy only but to the Ceremonies and Government of the Church established and to be established by His Majesties Royal Authority and said That the refusers to obey he would prosecute to the Blood Mr. Whitlock proceeded to open the 19th Article setting forth in substance as followeth THAT the next Article in which they shall proceed to make good the Impeachment of all the Commons of England against my Lord of Strafford is the 19th Article That their Lordships have heard his demeanor to the Subjects of the Irish Nation what power he exercised over their Liberties their Properties their Lives That he used His Majesties Subjects of Scotland in the same manner exercising an unlawful power over their consciences by imposing a new and unlawful Oath on such of them as lived in Ireland That the Kings Subjects of the Scotish Nation have the same benefit of protection from His Majesty and His Laws as his other Subjects have since they are bound to the same Allegiance to the same Obedience and therefore what ought not to be done to any other of the King's Subjects ought not to be done to them That a new Oath cannot be imposed without Assent of a Parliament yet my Lord of Strafford is pleased to enjoyn this Oath to contrive it to threaten them that desired to consider of it he sends forth Commissions to the Gentry in the Countrey to tender it and such as refused were brought up by Pursivants and Officers to Dublin and committed to Prison and divers of them rather than they would take this Oath were fain to forsake their Families their Estates and Lands and fly away and were exiled the Kingdom That the Charge particularly mentioning the sentencing of Henry Stuart his Wife and two Daughters and one Iames Gray above the age of 16. who for refusing this Oath were Fined Stuart himself 5000 l. his Wife 3000 l. his Daughters 3000 l. apiece and Iames Gray as much and in their Sentence my Lord was pleased to declare himself so bitter against that Nation and so much resolved that this Oath should be taken by all of them though against Law That he publiquely said That those who refused to take the Oath
he would prosecute to the Blood That the Scotch Nation were Rebels and Traitors and that if His Majesty should please to send him back to the Government of Ireland he being then to come into England he would root out the Scotish Nation root and Branch And further did declare That this Oath thus enjoyned did bind to the Ceremonies of the Church not only those that were establish'd but such as were to be established so that the Oath had some affinity with the Oath in this Kingdom not long since Sir Iames Mountgomery being Interrogated what he knew concerning the contriving and imposing of the said Oath He Answered That he was very unwilling to give any Testimony in this particular because he knows there is a Petition for this Oath to which Petition his hand is among others and therefore some perchance who doe not know the passage of the business may think there was a discordance and a disagreement between the Instrument under his hand and the Testimony he must give being put to it upon Oath but he hopes there shall none appear when he hath spoken That in April as he remembers 1639. My Lord-Lieutenant then Lord-Deputy did write down Letters to the most part of all the Noblemen and Gentlemen of the Scotish Nation dwelling in Ireland in the Province of Ulster especially amongst whom the Deponent received one Letter himself and he was required by that Letter as the rest whose Letters were to one effect to repair to Dublin 27 April as he remembers that his Lordship might confer with them about some affairs that did concern His Majesties special service and therefore they were required not to fail to be there that day That thither they came and being come my Lord Viscount Mountgomery being not well in his health having got a cold in his journey the said Lord Viscount sent to excuse himself to my Lord Deputy that he was not able to come abroad for a day or two and my Lord Deputy sent him word he would come to his Lodging and gave warning to the rest of the Gent. to meet his Lordship there the next day at two of the clock that there they did all come and there were the Bishops of Down and Raffo and some others of the Clergy And being met my Lord Deputy came thither and told them he was there as their friend to acquaint them with some things that did much concern them and to give them his advice He did then tell them of great disorders in Scotland of great jealousies raised against them and that they who were present might possibly be favourers or furtherers of those distempers but he added that he hoped better of them however that it behoved them to do something to vindicate themselves from this aspersion and that they should offer it freely of themselves and not stay till it were imposed by Authority That he did insist further in his Speech and insinuated to them what was expected they should do and that they should be suitors for it That an Oath was expected according to the example of Scotland as they had there joyned in a Covenant To this purpose he did deliver himself That when his Lordship had ended the Bishops of Raffo and Down one seconding the other gave his Lordship thanks for his Lordships favour to them and told his Lordship that as those in Scotland had joyned together and conspired by an unlawful Oath so they here would joyn in a lawful oath in opposition to that and would petition for it to his Lordship It was seconded by the Bishop of Down and some others of the Clergy there little being spoken by others That the Bishop of Down desired he might draw it but the Lord-Deputy put it on the Bishop of Raffo That some of them thought it a little too hasty and when my Lord was risen up he the Deponent took on him to speak to his Lordship and told him the things spoken of there were not charged against the Nation but against the Covenanters in Scotland and did not concern themselves and therefore thought under favour that it should not be amiss to think what they should doe before they appointed a man to draw a Petition or to this effect That his Lordship was pleased to turn towards him something in choler and to tell him Sir Iames Mountgomery you may go home and petition or not petition if you will but if you do not or who doth not or to this effect shall do worse That they seeing his Lordship had resolved it should be so there was no more said The Bishop of Raffo went with the Petition in his hand to some of them being desirous to see it to contribute their advice to them and somewhat suspecting this Train of the Gentry that night again the said Bishop met with my Lord Mountgomery Sir William Stuart Sir Iames Craig and himself the Deputy and brought two draughts of Petitions the one indeed was down right railing the other not very mild he thinks howsoever they did desire to have qualified it something in words but the Bishop told them it was already so cold he was ashamed of it and could not engross it till he had shewed it my Lord Deputy to know whether he would accept of it The next morning some of them saw it with him and took exception at some bitter words that were in it and the Bishop said it was not to be disputed for my Lord Deputy had seen it and it was done with his good liking After that it was engrossed they met to have Signed it and some took exceptions that there was too great a latitude in it and desired it might be entred That they should be in the case with other His Majesties Subjects but the Bishop said he could alter nothing without my Lord-Lieutenants knowledge and he would go to my Lord with it and to my Lord Mountgomery They intreated to go along with him and my Lord was willing these words should be added That it should be in equal manner and measure with other His Majesties Subjects so the Petition was ingrossed and signed and was afterwards delivered to his Lordship That then my Lord Deputy desired them to appoint five or six of their number to wait on his Lordship and some of the Council the next morning to confer concerning the Oath and they made choice of six the Lord Mountgomery Stuart and these two Bishops Sir William Stuart and himself the Deponent when they came his Lordship caused the Clerk of the Council to read the Oath that was to be Administred and some other debates they had some offered some motions to his Lordship for some words by way of explanation as that they should not protest against any of His Majesties Royal Commands and it was desired it might be explained By just Commands or Commands according to Law My Lord did then tell them they were not to expect any other Commands from His Majesty the Oath was for no
other intent and needed no alteration The Bishop of Raffo would have had more added saying The Oath was so mean he would not come from his house to take it and so my Lord Deputy told him the Oath had been well consider'd of and needs no alteration That he the Bishop then desired a Copy of it to carry to the Gentlemen that were not present and were waiting for them at my Lord Mountgomeries lodging His Lordship was pleased to deny that but would send the Clerk of the Council who should bring the Oath and Read it and bring it back again and he did so After this the next day or that afternoon they were appointed to come to the Council-Board and have the Oath Administred That here they came and my Lord himself was pleased to Administer the Oath to every one of us two by two or three by three And this was the manner of Administring it Being Interrogated Whether they knew the occasion of their being sent for He Answered They knew not for what cause nor heard any thing of it Being Asked If he knew what Scotchmen were those that left the Kingdom because they would not take this Oath He Answered That soon after they were dismissed in May Commissions came into the Countrey to certain Commissioners for Administring the Oath to all of that Nation above the Age of Sixteen and he believes whether by the main Commission or private Instructions he cannot tell That it was ordered it should be Administred both to Men and Women above that Age And they were all called at certain dayes by the Commissioners some were scrupulous and thought in their Consciences they could not take it others that were satisfied in their Consciences did take it and those that did not take it the Commissioners were required to certifie their Names and Places of Residence to my Lord Deputy and Council that they might be proceeded against as Contemners of His Majesties Royal Authority according to the Proclamation and Commission After the Proclamation had called them some did appear and they that did not their names were certified and afterward Pursivants issued to apprehend them that did not appear or them who on appearing did refuse He knows of many that fled away into Scotland and very many that fled up and down in the Country and many were apprehended by the Pursivants and carried up and some he thinks were Censured Being Asked Whether they left their Corn on the Ground and Goods in their Houses He Answered That they did Being Asked Whether any Papists of the Scotish Nation were sent for by Letter or had the Oath tendered He Answered None of them that he could hear and the Oath was not Administred to any of them neither were they called Being Asked If there were not diverse Scotish Papists there He Answered Yes diverse Gentlemen of good Quality and he named some of them viz. Sir William Hamilton c. Being Asked on the Earl of Clares motion Whether the Refusers fled into any part of Scotland He Answered In Truth not to his knowledge but they fled out of the Kingdom of Ireland The Oath was next Read viz. IN. do faithfully Swear Profess and Promise that I will Honor and Obey my Sovereign Lord King CHARLES and will bear Faith and true Allegiance to Him and will defend and maintain His Regal Power and Authority and that I will not bear Arms nor do any Rebellious or Hostile Act against Him or Protest against any His Royal Commands but submit my self in all due obedience hereunto and that I will not enter into any Covenant Oath or Bond of Mutual Defence or Assistance against all sorts of persons whatsoever or into any Oath Covenant or Mutual Defence or Assistance against any person whatsoever by Force without His Majesties Soveraign and Regal Authority And I do renounce all Covenants contrary to what I have Sworn and Promised So help me God in Christ Jesus Whence Mr. Maynard observed from these words That they shall not Protest against any of His Majesties Royal Commands That he believed all men were satisfied that His Majesty never did nor will Command any thing unlawful but what a subordinate Minister may command in His Majesties Name and publish as His Command in Ireland their Lordships have heard enough of and that may make them tender to take the Oath besides the Oath being new it is conceived to be against Law Mr. Maxwell being Sworn and Interrogated In what manner were Gentlemen sent for to Dublin about this matter And what he knew in particular about it He Answered That he was one that received a Letter from my Lord Lieutenant upon that account and that he as well as the rest were required to be all at Dublin at a certain day and being there and my Lord Mountgomery being a little sick and not able to go abroad desired their excuse for a day or two My Lord Deputy was pleased to give Command that all that were writen for might be at my Lord Mountgomeries lodging And at the time appointed my Lord Lieutenant came and at his coming he called them together and showed the Dissenters in Scotland and desired that they would show themselves Faithful and Loyal Subjects to their Master and that it behoved them as their own desire to Petition for it whereupon my Lord Bishop of Down Râ—o and some others of the Clergy being there did second my Lords Speech and told them That as they Rebelliously proceeded in Scotland in that the Scots had taken in hand against the King so they would do well by Petition and by Oath to his Lordship and the Council to shew their willingness towards their Masters Service So my Lord Lieutenant was pleased to take hold of my Lord Downs Speech and my Lord Down desired he might be the drawer of the Petition But my Lord perceiving him a little too vehement told him Smilingly That he would recommend that to the Bishop of Raffo So the Bishop of Raffo was appointed for the drawing up of that Petition The next day they desired to peruse the Petition before it went to my Lord and after they had perus'd it they went in to my Lord Lieutenant with it after he had seen the Petition he mended something in it and among the rest he remembers the Bishop of Raffo told him That my Lord had put in That these that were here should be of no worse condition then the rest of His Majesties Subjects The next day the Petition was Ingrossed and Signed by them and presented to my Lord Lieutenant afterwards there were two Noblemen two Bishops two Gentlemen appointed to go to my Lord concerning the Oath and they desired a Copy of the Oath My Lord Lieutenant sent Sir Paul Davies out to my Lord Mountgomery and it was Read to them all and they were commanded to attend at the Council-Table and my Lord gave them the Oath Sir Hen. Spottewood was offered a further Witness but their Lordships
Asked on M r Whitlocks Motion who were those that took it so chearfully And whether the Bishops were not more chearful then others He Answered That indeed he observed no Reluctancy My Lord of Strafford here added That he speaks it truly to the honor of that Nation be it spoken the Oath was taken with much chearfulness and not any man made scruple in the whole business to his understanding save only Sir Iames Mountgomery but took it with all the readiness in the World This is as true as he lives and he thinks he speaks it for their honor and were he one of the Temporal men in that kind he should be very unwilling to be asked whether the Bishops had been more ready to give Allegiance to His Majesty than himself and he thinks he that asked the question doth them a great deal of prejudice in it Finding them thus prepared he was glad of it and they being willing to prefer such a Petition he went to them and served them with all willingness as he had reason The Petition was cheerfully brought to him to be looked over and to have his opinion how he liked it It was brought him by my Lord Mountgomery Sir Iames Mountgomery's Brother and some others whom he remembers not But these words he remembers particularly in it An offering of their Lives and Fortunes for vindicating the Authority of Regal Power which he said was too general and though they intended it well might be turned too strictly on them and therefore he desired it might be qualified with these words In equal manner and measure with other His Majesties Subjects and the words were put in by him as he is sure my Lord Mountgomery would justifie The Petition was read and the Act of State wherein it is recited being in substance as followeth By the Lord-Deputy and Council WENTWORTH Where we have lately made an Act of Council in these words WHereas divers Lords Spiritual and Temporal Knights and others inhabiting in this Kingdom have lately exhibited a Petition to us in these words following To the Right Honourable the Lord Deputy and Council c. The Humble Petition of c. The Petition recites The horror apprehended by the Petitioners His Majesties Subjects of the Scotish Nation inhabiting in Ireland for the Covenant sworn by some of their Countreymen in Scotland without His Majesties Authority and Consent Their dislike therof and their consideration that the causes of that action may be understood to reflect on the Petitioners though innocent They crave leave to vindicate themselves from so great a Contagion and desire his Lordship to prescribe a way by Oath or otherwise to free themselves from these proceedings to declare their acknowledgement of the Kings Regal Power and their dislike of that Covenant and of all other Covenants entred into c. without His Majesties Regal Authority which they are desirous to manifest by offering their lives and fortunes to vindicate the honor c. of their Sovereign which they are ready to do in equal manner and measure with other His Majesties Subjects c. and divers names were to the said Petition subscribed In consideration of which Petition we cannot but commend the wisdom of the Petitioners which we will not fail humbly to represent to His Majesty and for that we know many of this Kingdom have expressed good affection to His Majesty and His Service and dislike those disorders We hold it fit c. to free them the better from the Crimes and Scandals which their Countrey-men have gone into as also to free them from all prejudice and to approve to the King and to the whole world their Allegiance to him and his Regal Power and the dislike of that unlawful Oath and Covenant We do therefore ordain That all and every person of the Scotch Nation that inhabit or have Estates or any Houses Lands Tenements or Hereditaments within Ireland shall take the Oath herein expressed on the Holy Evangelists on pain of His Majesties High-displeasure The tenor of which Oath follows c. To several seect persons c. Authorizing them to call before them and administer the Oath to every person of the Scotch Nation c. At such time and place c. And such Instructions as shall be in that behalf given by the Deputy and Council c. And to certifie the names of all that take the Oath and if any refuse to certifie their Names Quality and Residences to the Lord Deputy c. And there is a Command that all of the Scotch Nation do appear before the said Commissioners at times by them to be appointed and to take the said Oath before them and that all persons may have due notice we think fit this be published Dated May 1639. To prove a design of seizing the Castle of Knock-Fergus my Lord of Strafford desired Mr. Slingsby might be examined and being Interrogated He Answered That about the time when it was supposed the King was in the Field of Berwick there was an Advertisement from Knock-Fergus that one Trueman had writ a Letter for betraying of the Castle there the party that sent the discovery was to be employed in the Letter and he enformed there were the hands of Twenty that should have subscribed it the Letter was conceived to be voluntarily from Trueman and not sollicited out of Scotland Trueman was sent to Dublin and examined and sent back to be tryed in the Countrey and there he received his Tryal and was Hanged Drawn and Quartered Being asked of what Nation he was He says he doth not know of what Nation but he supposes he was an Englishman For his further justification he saith at the same time there was the like Oath and Proceeding here in England The Copy of which Oath now read being affirmed by Mr. Ralton to be a true Copy 5 Iune 1639. A Copy of an Oath tendered to some of the Scotish Nation resident here in England as it is entred in the Scotish Book being in substance IN Doe faithfully swear profess and promise that I will faithfully obey my Sovereign Lord King CHARLES c. and defend and maintain His Royal Authority and that I will not bear Arms nor do any rebellious Act against him nor profess against any His Royal Commands c. And that I will not enter into any Covenant or Bond c. Of mutual Defence or Assistance against any person c. or into any Covenant Bond of mutual defence or assistance whatsoever without His Majesties Sovereign and Regal Authority And I do renounce and abjure all Covenants contrary to what is here sworn professed and promised And he submits it to their Lordships Wisdom and Justice what offence this had been for a Deputy of Ireland in a time thus conditioned for securing the publique peace of that Kingdom where he serves the Crown upon such apprehensions as these fairly without any constraint or violence offered to endeavour by such a manner of
in due obedience they are bound and obliged to be So it was not Caeca obedientia Sir Iames sayes That he the Earl of Strafford did administer the Oath This one single Testimony but to tell their Lordships plainly the truth he confesses he did give that Oath being not only obliged by the Council but they directing him and that the Petition was not got forcibly from them it appears evidently for there is nothing against it Sir Iohn Clotworthy sayes That on this Oath administred great multitudes went away but he names not one of that multitude and if they did go who could help it If they would go away rather than give such a pledge of their Allegiance he should have been loth to have restrained them to make them stay against their Wills For the Instructions that went with the Commissions Sir Iohn Clotworthy very truly says they were under the hands of himself and all the Council but what these Instructions were he cannot expresly say and that under favour he conceives is no witness and so is no Charge on him But to express his rancor against the Scotish Nation next come the words proved by Richard Salmon the Schoolmaster and he swears positively and directly that he my Lord of Strafford spake these words the 10 th of October 1639. The plain truth is that he the Earl of Strafford was come into England in September before and if that man shall notwithstanding undertake positively to swear that individual day he is less to be credited The said time of his coming into England was confirmed by two Witnesses Mr. Thomas Little being upon my Lord of Straffords motion asked about the time of my Lord of Straffords coming from Ireland He Answered That my Lord Lieutenant came from Ireland Thursday 12 Sept. 1639. and landed the next day and came to London 21 Sept 1639. Mr. Ralton being examined to the same point Answered He very well remembred my Lord came to London 21 Sept. 1639. For the words themselves That the Scotch Nation are Rebels and Traitors and that he will root them out Root and Branch the Witness is a single Testimony their Lordships see how true he is in the first part of it and he is equally true in the second The other Testimony is one Iohn Loftus and he sayes my Lord of Strafford wanted terms to express the heinousness of that offence and he hoped to have such of the Scotch Nation as would not submit to the Ecclesiastical Government rooted out Stock and Branch from that Kingdom And this said my Lord is quite another thing and no way agreeing with the former but nearer the truth and far from rooting out the Scotch Nation for there are but few that submit not to the English Church-Government So there is left only one single Testimony of the Schoolmaster that hath not learned his Lesson perfectly but is taken tardy as if he were a Scholar and the other makes it quite another business And as they have offered these things and have not proved them by more than one single testimony and he a very infirm one He my Lord of Strafford besought their Lordships that he might call for a Witness or two that were there and heard all that passed Sir Philip Manwaring my Lord said was a Judge of the Court and nearer him than the Witness and likely to hear more distinctly Sir Philip being asked what the words were and of what nature they were whether they were not restrained to the Faction of the Covenanters and them that would not take the Oath in Ireland and not the Nation it self He Answered That he was present that day and sate within the Court and within hearing so that he heard every word that fell from my Lord Deputy it is true his Speech there was very long but he shall repeat no more of it than that he conceives pertinent to the present occasion that is Whether he should say these words Against the whole Nation or speak only to the Faction and properly and pertinently shun the word Nation It was on the occasion of Mr. Stuart who stood at the Bar with his Wife and Daughters and Gray My Lord telling him he was sorry that bearing the name he did he should be the only man that carried himself with that disobedience and my Lord expatiated very much and in conclusion said That Scotish Nation with respect I speak of it for I know there be among them gallant and worthy persons and I have great experience of them and of the Loyalty and Faith they bear to their Sovereign but there is a Faction amongst them which I shall endeavour as near as I can to bring to that obedience at least to keep them that are within this Kingdom to that Obedience Loyalty and Duty that Subjects ought to bear Being asked Whether my Lord did not express himself at that time that he would not take on him to judge any thing of the Action in Scotland not knowing the Law of that Kingdom but such of that Nation as are here in Ireland if they will not submit to the Government of Ireland he will do the best he can they shall not stay here He Answered That it is very true my Lord Deputy did at that time speak to that purpose as near as he can remember in truth viz. That he did not know the Laws nor Customs of that Kingdom therefore would say nothing to them but for so much as concern'd the Kingdom of Ireland and the keeping of the King's Subjects in Loyalty and Obedience there he would do his best to preserve that Being asked on Mr. Glyn's motion whether he heard these words Root and Branch or Stock and Branch He Answered In truth he did not Robert Lord Dillon being asked to the words spoken by my Lord of Strafford in the Castle-Chamber at the Sentence and how he expressed him-himself concerning the Nation of Scotland He Answered That he confesses it hath been his custom and it may be it is an ill one never to mind words spoken in the place unless he supposes he shall be called to account for them he remembers my Lord spake of the refusing of the Oath and of some rigor to them that should refuse it but for particular words he members not Sir Adam Loftus being asked what he heard of these words He Answered That he was at the Censure but truly he cannot burden his memory with any the words that tend to this question It was a great while agoe and he little thought they should come to any recapitulation of them and in truth he doth not remember them Being asked whether Stuarts Sentence was not given by the unanimous Vote of the whole Council He Answered Indeed he believes it was Sir Philip Manwaring being asked what he heard the Master of the Rolls say that day He Answered That coming from the Castle-Chamber waiting on my Lord Deputy to the Castle where many Dined and all that
had been Judges and Mr. Wainsford the Master of the Rolls took occasion to speak to my Lord Deputy in his the said Sir Philips hearing and commended him for carrying himself with that caution that he had no way reflected on the Nation but the Faction in that Kingdom and had shunned the words which might reflect on the Nation And so his Lordship concluded his Defence and said he hoped that there was nothing proved that should touch him so deeply as Treason for if the obeying of the Commands of this Case be so great a crime he must confess if it were to do again being not better informed by wiser men tho hereafter he may be better informed and prevent it he should be that Trairor over again and do the self-same thing again and therefore if he had done it out of ignorance he hopes their Lordships will not look on him as having any evil intention or wicked purpose but to serve His Majesty with faithfulness which he hopes will procure an easier judgement from their Lordships than to think of a High Treason in this Article And then Mr. Whitlock made Reply thereunto in substance as followeth That in his Answer to my Lord of Strafford's Defence he shall begin with that which his Lordship was pleased to mention last and also at the beginning That this should not be accounted Treason he knows not the Illegality of it and if it were to be done again he would do it on that Command Whence Mr. Whitlock observed that his slighting or rather justifying of this offence when he is told in this great Presence that it is against Law and will be made good and appear to be against Law is a great aggravation of the offence It is well known that a new Oath cannot be Imposed without Assent in Parliament It is legistativa potestas The Oath of Allegiance is as antient as our allegiance and nothing needed to have been added to that and had it been tendered to them as it might have been by Law this would have performed the Kings Command which under favour went no farther and would have been sufficient security of what was doubted and feared But my Lord of Strafford will go farther the Oath that the Law enjoyns doth not please him he must have a new one framed by himself and published by his Authority thereby to make his Authority equal to an Act of Parliament 'T is indeed believed there were some apprehensions of dangers in Ireland by the great number of the Scots there and a Covenant in Scotland then Sworn but that Covenant is not to be medled withal now The Charge enforced against my Lord of Strafford is not his Care of preventing danger to the Kingdom but that he caused a new and unusual Oath to be Imposed and particularly that they should submit to all the Kings Royal Commands The Committee confess and think no man had ever yet a heart to doubt That the King would command any thing that should be against Law But it hath been sufficiently proved that my Lord of Strafford a Subordinate Minister under the King hath published his own Commands in the Kings Name which are not Justificable nor according to Law And that under favour might be a good cause for the Scots to be tender of taking his Oath knowing that these Commands here were not His Majesties Immediate Commands but the Commands of my Lord of Strafford which they saw many times so unlawful and exorbitant My Lord of Strafford hath produced diverse Witnesses to prove It was Debated on at Council-Board And that the Scots did chearfully take the Oath but in this he hath laboured to disprove his own Answer which is That the Scots came up and desired to have an Oath whereas it appears the Council-Table thought fit to send for them by Letters under his Lordships hand and it was propounded to them to take such an Oath He sayes himself put these words into the Petition In equal manner and measure with other His Majesties Subjects Which showes That my Lord of Strafford himself had the Perusal and Correction of this Petition which is a good Proof that he contrived the Oath The Petition doth only beseech my Lord Deputy That an Oath might be framed to vindicate themselves from the Faction of their Countrymen and the Covenant which they might have done by the Legal Oath the Oath of Allegiance But he put something in above what they desired and that was for submission to all the Kings Royal Commands which may extend to Liberty to Property of Goods and so is a great deal further than His Majesty was pleased to Command by His Letter wherein there was nothing but what was very fit to be commanded by my Lord of Strafford and very fit for him to obey And What if my Lord of Strafford should procure a Letter from His Majesty to do that which is not warrantable by Law the Kings considerations are far above the particular Points of the Municipal Law of this Kingdom He cannot know them but is to be enformed of them by His Ministers Now if my Lord of Strafford shall misinforme Him and desire to have that by His Authority which is not warrantable by Law the fault is my Lord of Straffords and it much aggravates the Crime but the Kings Letter doth not warrant my Lord of Strafford for he hath proceeded further He sayes concerning the Censure of Mr. Stuart That he delivered his Opinion among the rest but their Lordships may remember he went as high as to charge him with Treason It is true the Bishop of Derry conceived it might be Treason And the Primate said The Denial of the former part might be Treason but not the latter but my Lord of Strafford conceived the latter part to be Treason too And therefore surely his Opinion had more harshness and severity then the rest and being his Opinion it was of sufficient weight to carry along with him all the rest and that which was his own Act at the beginning which he Contrived and Treated with the Scotch Lords and Gentlemen That he persues in his Sentence and if others joyn with him in a hard Sentence against Law his fault is not the less but rather the greater to draw others into the same fault His Lordship says little of the Fine that is paid It is true it cannot be proved how much was paid but those that were Fined continued in Prison till very lately for that Fine And whereas he sayes Any taking the Oath might have been Released the next day It is the more Cruelly done to keep them in Prison till they take an Oath who cannot satisfie their Consciences that they may take it My Lord sayes If one refuse the Oath of Allegiance in this Kingdom he shall incur a Premunire and this Sentence was more moderate Indeed if that had been tendered they had incurred the like sentence and that might serve the turn but my Lord must stretch his
for my Lord of Canterbury if they have examined him it was before his Charge and they shall make no use of his examination neither is he a person capable of being a Witness being now charged and in some particulars for conspiring with the Lords at the Bar and therefore they submit it whether it be convenient he should be examined though if they shall urge his Testimony it will be something and likewise their Lordships over-ruled it in Sir George Ratcliff's Case But my Lord of Strafford submitting all to their ordships good pleasure it being his part only to move as his Lordship said and do what their Lordships should in their wisdoms think fit The Lord Steward declared their Lordships pleasure that Sergeant Glanvill and the other Witnesses might be reserved to be heard to morrow viva voce and that the examinations of my Lord of Northumberland and my Lord Keeper might be likewise reserved for my Lord of Canterbury it was observed that he was examined before the Charge and that the Gent. of the Commons-House intend not to make use of his Testimony And so the Committee proceeded to the next Article Mr. Whitlock proceeded putting their Lordships in mind that they had been pleased to take a view of my Lord of Strafford's Courses in Ireland which have manifested his designe to subvert and change the Law and bring in an Arbitrary Government That his execution of that Arbitrary Power upon the persons Estates and Lives of the Kings Subjects there hath been a clear proof of this his designe They shall now proceed to show their Lordships what his designe was in England and Scotland as the same was set forth in the 20th21 22 23 and 24th Articles together with the matters contained in them they being interwoven and depending one upon the other and so are but one business My Lord of Strafford did thereupon offer that he conceived it was agreed they shoul go Article by Article that his Memory is short and his Abilities weak and if three or four be brought together his Memory will not serve him to give them that account that otherwise he should be able to do And since the order of proceeding Article by Article was by consent he besought that course might be persued not giving consent to the alteration of it But Mr. Maynard desired leave to remember their Lordships that they offered to go Article by Article till they came to some that were woven together which might change the course They find much time is lost between Article and Article and there will need no great Consideration of of these being only about words and when my Lord of Strafford stands by way of Defence he may not inform them which way to proceed and they will proceed no way differently from what was formerly proposed My Lord of Strafford humbly appealed to their Lordships Whether the Favour offered him for recollecting his Notes had spent much time and added perhaps if another man had been in his case he would have thought as long a time as he had taken necessary tho a far abler man than himself but this inverts the whole Order agreed on and brings him to a great inconvenience and therefore he desired he might Answer them single in the mannor as was agreed upon To which Mr. Whitlock Answered That if the Articles be not proceeded in together and as having relation to one another they will loose much of the Application Evidence and Proof and he conceives will be more easie to my Lord of Strafford And for the Order mentioned there was under favour no order in it but when my Lord of Strafford made the motion Mr. Whitlock said he took the boldness to inform their Lordships that he should proceed on some of them altogether which my Lord of Strafford did not deny and their Lordships approved of and according to that they desire to proceed Mr. Glyn adding That he never knew before this time a Prisoner at the Barr prescribe a Method to the Evidence especially if he be charged with High Treason and my Lord may afford them the same favour they do him for if he will answer Article by Article he may but as they leave him to his course so they desire to take their course But in that case my Lord of Strafford desired he might have time to Answer till to morrow morning and professed that he should be extream unwilling to offer any thing that became him not in Humility and Modesty or to prescribe a course to any he being in his condition but he trusts he may with Humility and Duty offer to their Lordships consideration these things that may be for his Assistance and Defence without offence to any So the Committee that managed the Evidence for the Commons-House had direction to proceed as they had propounded Mr. Whitlock then proceeded to open the Charge of these Articles which will refer to prove a designe of my Lord of Strafford against Scotland to subvert their Parliament and our Government here and to bring in an Army on us to force us to submit to an Arbitrary Power First they shall apply themselves to prove his designe against Scotland which lies first in the Charge That he advised the King two or three times that the demands made by the Scots in their Parliament were a sufficient ground for a Warr against them notwithstanding that Parliament was indicted by the Kings Royal Authority and they have their liberty to Propound and Treat Your Lordships may remember what my Lord of Strafford said at the sentencing of Stewart in Ireland whereby he expressed his hatred and rancor towards them and his opinion of them at that time being after the pacification made and he continues in the same ill opinion of them and to give the same ill Council That at another time he told His Majesty the demands of the Scots in their Parliament were not matter of Religion but struck at the root of Government and that it was fit to punish them by force That he caused the Ships of the Scots in Ireland to be seized That he procured the Parliament in Ireland to declare their assistance and give supply for a Warr against Scotland and that several times he endeavoured to perswade His Majesty to an offensive Warr against the Scots under which particulars will fall in proof his design against Scotland His design against England was of the same nature which will appear by his words and by his Councils and by some Speeches given out by those that have very near Relation to him and are his creatures who agreed with his own words likewise They shall prove to their Lordships That on a discourse between Sir George Ratcliffe and Sir Robert King concerning the War with the Scots and my Lord of Straffords being engaged in it Sir George Ratcliffe told him We are ingaged in a War with the Scots and we must go on with it
leave to look on what he said that he might not vary And after some Debate thereupon having the Copy of his Examination shewed him He Answered to the said Question That it was only for one word that he desired to look into the Paper and it was whether in the later end he did not say or words to that effect These words about which he is examined did pass between my Lord of Strafford and him in private discourse when he believes neither of them thought they should have been called to an account for them for they were then thinking of raising of Horse and seeing but small sums of Money He asked my Lord how these Forces should be paid His Lordship Answered He made no doubt but that the Parliament would give assistance to the King by 12 Subsidies and if they did that it would sufficiently pay the Army or some such words But said he my Lord Conway What if the Parliament shall not supply the King or not give these Subsidies Then my Lord of Strafford said or words to that effect That the King had need and if the Parliment would not supply the King in those things that were just and lawful to be supplyed and if they would be so wilful as not to supply him then the King was justified before God and Man if he did help himself in the Goods of the Subjects or to this effect tho it were against their Wills Being directed to repeat the words again on my Lord of Strafford's motion His Lordship Answered That in his examination he said words to this effect and so he doth now yet doth not depose absolutely that these very words were spoken but to his understanding and as he then conceived them they were to this purpose when he asked my Lord of Strafford how these Troops then raised should be paid My Lord of Strafford said He made no doubt but the Parliament would supply the King and give him 12 Subsidies And saying again What if the Parliament would not give him that assistance My Lord of Strafford said The cause was very just and lawful and if the Parliament would not supply him then he was justified before God and Man if he sought means to help himself though it were against their Wills Sir Henry Vane being Interrogated whether he did not hear my Lord of Strafford when consideration was had of a Parliament before the last Parliament promise His Majesty in case the Parliament did not succeed he would be ready to serve him in any other way He Answered That he must begin as the Lord that spake last since they have no help of their Examinations which is that the words were such or to such an effect for otherwise they that be Witnesses have a very hard task to play for they lye open to be excepted against and peradventure when they speak truly may be intangled if their memory help them not out But to the Question proposed he says this That upon the 5th of December as he takes it he did hear my Lord of Strafford speak words to that effect as they are now asked to his best remembrance and truly he thinks really he did viz. That truly if the Parliament should not succeed his Lordship would be rea dy to assist His Majesty any other way or words to this effect Mr. Whitlock summed up the Evidence and said There was an intent to call a Parliament to try if they would give the King a Supply and being engaged in a War against the Scots my Lord of Strafford before the Parliament came doubted not but 12 Subsidies would be given and while the Parliament was sitting that was the number demanded by a Message from the King This designe did not take other effect than himself expected and it seems desired for when the Parliament was set and frequently urged by messages from His Majesty to give that very number of 12 Subsidies and that for release of Ship-money only whereas by the old and right course of Parliaments the grievances are in the first place to be considered of and to be humbly presented to His Majesty and upon redress of those grievances the people are to shew their thankfulness to His Majesty for His Grace and Goodness in redressing of them by their free gift of Subsidies My Lord of Strafford changes this course and perswades His Majesty to put the Subsidies in the first place and to fall at first on consideration of supply and that so great a proportion and while the Parliament was in debate of this and before they had resolved whether they would give Supply or no by my Lord of Strafford's advice the Parliament was Dissolved His Lordship confesses in his Answer he did give his Vote for dissolving of the Parliament and they shall make it appear in time that he did procure it After the Parliament was Dissolved my Lord of Strafford goes on endeavouring all that lay in his power to incense a Gracious Sovereign against His loving Subjects to slander the people to the King and for ever to break off all Parliaments and take away the Liberty and Property of the Subject and by what course By Force by bringing in an Army amongst us That was his Advice tho blessed be God His Majesty was pleased to reject it 1. To prove what was said by the Creatures and Friends of my Lord of Strafford Sir Ro. King being Interrogated What words he heard from Sir George Ratcliffe to this purpose That the King had an Army and Money in his Purse and if His Subjects in England should not supply him what use he might make of His Army for supply and the times He Answered That he demanded of Sir George Ratcliffe How the King would do for Money to maintain the Scotch War Sir George Ratcliffe said The King could not want Money His Majesty had an Army of 30000 Men and he had 400000 l. in his Purse and a Sword by his side and if he would want Money who could pity him or words to this purpose To which he the Deponent objected How can this course be taken when the Scotch are on foot unpacified Sir George Answered They can make peace with the Scotch when they please and being riding together to the he the Deponent said That my Lord Lieutenant and the said Sir George had least reason of all His Majesties Subjects to desire a War Sir George Answered It is true For his part he would give 20000 l. to be quit of it but we are now engaged and we cannot but go on and then he the Deponent asking What he would do for Money Sir George Answered The King could not want Money He had an Army c. as before is deposed Being asked what was the reason of making this Demand and whether he did conceive a forcible way was intended He Answered He did understand that by the words That if they would not supply him the King was ready to supply himself Lord Ranalaugh being
Interrogated What he heard Sir George Ratcliffe speak concerning the Kings levying Money by force or to that purpose He Answered That the words he is to inform their Lordships of and on which he was formerly examined proceeded from Sir George Ratcliffe not to him privately and only but they were spoken in a Council of War when they were assembled together upon that service My Lord-Lieutenant arrived in Ireland in March was 12 Months and after his Lordship had spent some days in Ireland within which time he the Deponent with others were commanded to attend at a Council of War departed that Kingdom leaving direction behind him how this affair should be proceeded in in his Lordships absence and as he takes it in the beginning of April my Lord departed out of Ireland and not long after they being assembled in a Council of War there was occasion to speak of all preparations that should be for the raising of an Army of 8000 Foot and Provision for transportation of 1000 Horse which was the Army of Ireland at that time In these discourses they found there was a great deal of Treasure to be consumed and much Money required to supply the occasion It was computed and he thinks Sir George Ratcliffe had a privy hand in the computing of it how much charge would maintain the Army for a year and to the best of his remembrance it was computed at 270000 l. and odd which gave them occasion considering the Army to be transported out of Ireland was but in proportion â…“ of what was prepared in England to speak of the Charge that must be raised in England according to that proportion And they finding it to amount to so great a sum it fell into question how the King should be supplyed with Money for so great expence of Treasure if he were not supplyed by Parliament Sir George Ratcliffe Answered The King hath his Sword by his side and 30000 men at command and if he want money let no man pity him It was thereupon replyed and as he the Deponent takes it by himself how can Money be raised when the Scotch Army is on foot and so strong Sir George Answered We can make peace with the Scots when we list but that is the worst of evils and this is in substance as much as the Deponent can remember Whence Mr. Whitlock observed That their Lordships heard what passed from Sir George Ratcliffe in Words and Counsels and that their Lordships knew the nearness and relation between Sir George Ratcliffe and my Lord of Strafford and this was after direction was left for raising the Army and when my Lord of Strafford was come away himself it seems he had left his directions with Sir George Ratcliffe as it will appear by my Lords own words concurring with these And Mr. Maynard desired their Lordships to take notice of these words We can make peace with the Scots when we will it was not Sir George Ratcliffe alone Sir Tho. Barrington being Sworn and Interrogated what words passed from Sir George Wentworth to him About Englands being sick of peace c at what time it was and on what occasion He Answered That immediately after the last Parliament Sir George Wentworth had accidentally a discourse with him being a Gentleman with whom he the Deponent never had intercourse or interlocution before that time On some discourse betwixt them concerning the former Parliament in the close of his discourse he was pleased to express himself thus This Commonwealth is sick of Peace and will not be well till it be conquered again The application of these words he the Deponent said he must leave to their Lordships better Judgements he not being able to decide it And to the occasion according to the truth which shall be ever present with him he the Deponent said he would deliver it cleerly They had some occasion to discourse of the former Parliament and speaking now on his oath he must express that which otherwise he should not being the words of a private discourse which in the course of his life he hath ever avoided especially in the Case of a Gentleman They were in discourse of the former Parliament and the carriage of that and Sir George Wentworth was of one opinion and he the Deponent of another Sir George expressed himself in this sence That he conceived the Parliament had no intention to give the King Money he the Deponent said That if the Kings Majesty had pleased they had sate awhile together they had supplied him And on the close that expression fell from him that which he the Deponent said he shall not not need to repeat Sir Robert King being Interrogated what sense and apprehension was in my Lord Ranalaugh on the words that fell from Sir George Ratcliffe at the Council-Board He Answered That my Lord Ranalaugh did conceive there was an intention to take Money forcibly in England and was much troubled with the words and cast out some such Speeches That we shall turn our swords on them from whom we are descended and having cut their throats make way for our own safety or some such words Lord Ranalaugh being Interrogated what his sense was of these words spoken by Sir George Ratcliffe He Answered That the expression of these words and some other words that fell from my Lord-Lieutenant to himself before his Lordships departure out of Ireland made him doubt that there might be some danger intended by the transportation of the Army and it was not his sense alone for upon discourse betwixt others that were of the Council and himself the like apprehensions were amongst them as between my Lord President of Munster and him and also between Sir Adam Loftus and him Those that durst be free one to another did express their fears and apprehensions about it Being asked what the words were my Lord of Strafford spake to him on which the apprehensions were grounded He Answered That it was thus My Lord of Strafford at his last being in Ireland was pleased to say to him My Lord will you buy any Land I will sell you all the Land I have in Ireland To which he the Lord Ranalaugh Answered That he is not able to buy Land being in debt and God forbid his Lordship should sell his Land in Ireland Truly says he my Lord we are like to have a troublesome world and I am willing to part with it To which the Lord Ranalaugh replyed it will be hard then with us that have no Estates but in Ireland No my Lord says my Lord of Strafford I do not mean it so for I believe you will be quieter here than they will be in England But he doth not think that ever he spake these last words to Sir Robert King in his life Being asked How he expressed his sense of those words to Sir Robert King He Answered That the first discourse was from Sir George Ratcliffe the latter was from my Lord
to himself He apprehended there was some design as he feared in England and he had this reason for it too For in that condition they were then in they of the Council of Warr saw no possibility to make this Army in a readiness to invade Scotland within the time limited for by directions of my Lord of Strafford left with them they were to be ready at the Provincial Rendezvous by the 18 th of May and that by subsequent directions was forborn till 18 th Iune then they all met to march to the general Rendezvous The Arms Ammunition and Preparations could not be ready so soon nor were they in readiness till the end of Sept. following So that on the whole matter those amongst them that might be free their consultations all agreed that it might tend to the purposes here declared And from the time observed by my Lord Ranalaugh for the raising of the Army in Ireland Mr. Whitlock observed That it could not be intended for Scotland for no Army was raised in Scotland till some months after To prove the words spoken by the Lord of Strafford himself to shew his designe to bring the Army to England Sir Tho. German Comptroller of His Majesties Houshold being Interrogated whether he heard not the Earl of Strafford tell the King that the Parliament had denyed to supply him and had sorsaken him or words to that effect He Answered That he should humbly presume to crave one thing of their Lordships and it was briefly this There is nothing that he can be Interrogated upon in this Cause but it must fall within the cognizance and knowledge of many of my Lords here present who must needs remember all that he hath to say as well or perhaps better than he can himself His humble desire therefore to their Lordships is That if through distance of time and the weakness of his memory there be any thing that may be better remembred by some of their Lordships than is at this time by himself it may not be imputed to him as from a desire of concealing any part of the truth but a failor in memory and that their Lordships will believe of him that in this great Assembly he shall be very unwilling to speak any thing but that that shall perfectly occurr to his remembrance and that request granted he shall humbly answer to every thing And to the question he remembers very well that he was Interrogated upon the same terms heretofore that he is now His Answer was then as he takes it in these words That he remembred that he heard my Lord of Strafford say something of the Parliaments deserting or forsaking the King or something to that effect or purpose but he did not remember then what inference my Lord made upon it nor what he did conclude thereupon neither can he now call himself to further remembrance on that point than he then deposed The Earl of Bristol Sworn and Interrogated Whether he heard any words spoken by my Lord of Strafford That in this great distress of King and Kingdom the Parliament had refused to supply the King in the ordinary and usual way and that therefore the King might provide for the Kingdom by such ways as he thought fit and was not to suffer himself to be mastered by the frowardness and undutifulness of his people or to that effect He Answered That it is very true that about 12 months since by meer accident he had a private discourse with my Lord of Strafford and some months after had discourse with a Peer of this House my Lord Conway by name meerly to let him know the difference that was between some Tenants of my Lord of Straffords and himself the Earl of Bristol What use hath been made of it he doth not know But upon this he doth conceive he comes to be Interrogated It is almost Twelvemonths agoe since this discourse did happen yet afterwards he was called now a month or six weeks since and was examined on oath on several Interrogatories After he had well recollected himself he did set down for his memory what he could think of and out of those Notes and Papers he did then make his Answer Now his examination being upon oath he shall be very loath to depose particularly to words but to the effect of what passed And therefore he shall crave leave not out of his examinations but out of the words he then set down to read the effect of what he then spake for if a man be deprived of words and tell not the sense and coherence and subsequents he shall not do himself right but may do a great deal of wrong to the party accused and therefore though it be somewhat the longer he shall tell the circumstances It is true That after the disso lution of the last Parliament he had discourse accidentally with the Earl of Strafford but being many months since he cannot precisely depose unto the words that then passed But he remembers that speaking then together of the great distractions of those times Videlicet touching the present things that were then at Lambeth for it was just about that time of the Mutiny of some Soldiers against their Officers of the present great danger apprehended by the ensuing War as was feared of Scotland and of the said Parliament being broken without supplying the King he the Earl of Bristol did then in his discourse chiefly attribute these disorders to the breach of the Parliament And speaking what might be the best way for help in these distressed times he then conceived and said that he thought the best way to prevent any desperate undertakings would be to Summon a new Parliament that might quiet the times for the present The expectation thereof might quiet the Distempers at that time And as for the War of Scotland he did much fear the success of it unless the King should be assisted both with the Purse and Affections of his People And he Alleadging to my Lord of Strafford many Reasons for it conceiving it was not likely that our Nation lying under great Grievances should go willingly and chearfully to a War labouring under the same grievances with themselves My Lord of Strafford he must speak it and confess it very ingenuously seemed no way to dislike the Discourse but said he did not conceive it to be Counsellable at that time neither did the present dangers of the Kingdom which were not now imaginary but real and pressing admit of so slow and uncertain a remedy as a Parliament was for that the Parliament had in the great distress of the King and Kingdom refused now to supply the King by the ordinary and usual way of Subsidies and therefore the King must provide for the safety of his Kingdom by such wayes as He should think fit in his wisdom And he the Earl of Bristol doth remember that the said Earl of Strafford at the same time did use the Sentence Salus Reipublicae Suprema
Lex And further not to bind himself to words but to the sense at the same time the Earl of Strafford used these words or words to this effect That the King was not to suffer himself to be mastered by the frowardness and undutifulness of his People or rather as he conceives by the disaffection and stubborness of some particular men And this he said from his former Notes which he thought fit rather to use than to trust his Memory Being Asked Whether by particular Men he meant not particular members of the Parliament His Lordship Answered By his Troth he conceives so for he was speaking of the Parliament Edward Lord Newburgh being Sworn and Interrogated Whether he did not hear my Lord of Strafford speak these words to His Majesty That the Parliament in denying the King had given him advantage to supply himself by other wayes His Lordship Answered That those very words he never heard nor words to that effect But he hath Answered in his Deposition what he hath heard and he shall desire to speak a little before he Repeats it And this it is When he was Examined he did then speak that which occurred to his memory but since the agitation of this business something else hath come into his thoughts And if he shall speak that which his Conscience now tells him he shall desire my Lords that then Examined him and the Gentlemen not to misinterpret him if he shall add something to what he formerly delivered He cannot say whether when he heard these words the King was by or no for he doth not remember it But he very well remembers that after the breach of the last Parliament he heard at the Gallery or Council-Table but he rather believes now at Council-Table some words to this effect That seeing the Parliament had not supplied the King His Majesty might take other Courses for Defence of the Kingdom But though he cannot possibly Swear my Lord Lieutenant spake these words yet he verily believes he heard him speak something to this purpose And this is all he can testifie Henry Earl of Holland Sworn and Interrogated Whether he did not hear my Lord of Strafford say to His Majesty That the Parliament in denying the King had given Him advantage to supply Himself by other wayes or words to that effect His Lordship Answered That he needs not trouble their Lordships with Circumstances or long Discourses but these words to the best of his remembrance according to his Oath he conceives were said to the King upon the Dissolving of the Parliament at the Council-Table That the Parliament in denying to supply the King had given Him advantage to supply Himself by other wayes But he will not tye himself so particularly to the words but as at the time when he was Examined before the Gentlemen of the Committee he added or words to this effect Being Asked By whom they were spoken His Lordship Answered By my Lord of Strafford Mr. Whitlock then proceeded to the latter words of the 23 d Article which shew in full and plain termes what my Lord of Straffords design was and what he would have laboured and endeavoured His Majesty to entertain The words of the Charge were Read And to prove them the Examination of Algernon Earl of Northumberland was first Read taken the 5 th Decemb. 1640. To the 7 th Interrogatory he saith That the Earl of Strafford said That in case of necessity and for the Defence and Safety of the Kingdom if the People do refuse to supply the King the King is Absolved from Rules of Government and that every thing is to be done for the preservation of the King and His People and that His Majesty was acquitted before God and Man And he saith that the said words were spoken at the Committee for Scotch Affairs in the presence of His Majesty and for the time of speaking these words he doth not perfectly remember He saith That these were the Discourses mentioned in his Answer to the third Interrogatory which made him believe what he hath answered to the said third Interrogatory Their Lordships calling to have the third Interrogatory Read It was Read To the Third and Fourth he saith That the Forces which were to come out of Ireland were to Land in the West part of Scotland but he doth not know nor hath heard to his Remembrance that these Forces or any other were to be imployed in this Kingdom to Compel or Awe the Subjects of this Realm to yield to such Taxes and Charges as should be Imposed on them by His Majesty He saith That he hath heard my Lord Lieutenant make some Discourses to the King whereby he believes that in case the King were not supplied by Parliament that some Course was intended to raise Moneys by Extraordinary wayes He saith That the said Lord Lieutenant did declare in His Majesties presence That the Design was to Land the Irish Army in the West parts of Scotland Sir Henry Vane being Interrogated What words he heard my Lord of Strafford speak to the King before the Parliament or after the Dissolution of it tending to this That the King had tried the Affections of His People and was Loose and Absolved from all Rules of Government and on what occasion He Answered That to the General Question of what was spoken before or after the sitting of the Parliament he doth not remember and there are no particular words asked him But to these words which have been read he shall as near as he can ingenuously deliver what he did formerly depose ever reserving to himself words to the same effect That he considers very well where he is and the presence before whom he speaks That he hath never in the whole course of his life loved to tell an untruth much less in this Honourable Assembly That he shall as near as he can in this Case tell their Lordships plainly and truely the matter It is true as my Lord Admiral hath declared to their Lordships that these words he is to testifie were spoken at the Committee of Eight for the Scotch Affairs For the time he shall crave pardon if he cannot particularly speak to it But thus far he shall say It was clearly after the Dissolution of the last Parliament It is true and if he do not very much mistake it was when the debate whether a Defensive or an Offensive War was Controverted And to the best that he can remember and clearly as he conceives there were words spoken either these he shall now relate or to the same effect by my Lord of Strafford who is now at the Bar. The occasion being Whether an Offensive or Defensive War and Arguments were Controverted in it My Lord of Strafford did say in a Discourse for he must be ingenuous he must say all he hath deposed or is required Your Majesty having tryed all wayes and being Refused and in Case of this extream necessity and for the safety of the Kingdom
You are acquitted before God and Men You have an Army in Ireland which You may Imploy here to Reduce this Kingdom or some words to this effect And Sir Henry Vane added That he desires to speak clearly to it It is true My Lord of Strafford said these words You may But by that he the Examinant cannot say it was intended but that the words were spoken and if it were the last hour he is to speak it is the Truth to his best Remembrance Being Asked on the several Motions of my Lord of Clare and my Lord Savil Whether by this Kingdom he meant the Kingdom of England or Scotland and Whether it was meant That he might imploy the Army in England or in Ireland because he said The Army might be there imployed He Answered That he shall as near as he can And because he would have-Truth appear he shall desire That if in this Case any word fall which may be uncouth in the Sence they would resort to his Examinations for there it remains under his Hand and Oath But to his best remembrance he thinks neither then nor there were used But Your Majesty hath an Army in Ireland You may Imploy to reduce this Kingdom But far be it from him the Examinant to Interpret them He tells their Lordships the words and no other Being directed by the Lord Steward to repeat what he had spoken He Answered That he shall plainly and clearly do it These words were spoken as my Lord of Northumberland hath testified at the Committee of Eight for the Scotch Affairs It was an occasion of a Debate Whether an Offensive or a Defensive War with the Kingdom of Scotland That on some Debate then some being of Opinion for a Defensive some for an Offensive War he did say the words related as he conceives That in a Discourse the Earl of Strafford said these words or words to this effect Your Majesty having tryed all wayes and refused in this case of extream necessity and for the Safety of Your Kingdom and People You are loose and absolved from all Rules of Government You are acquitted before God and Men You have an Army in Ireland You may imploy it to reduce this Kingdom Being Asked How long this was after the Parliament was Dissolved He Answered He cannot tell the time but it was suddenly after or within few dayes after the dissolution of the Parliament Being Asked on my Lord of Clares motion Whether these words You have an Army in Ireland did immediately follow these words You are Absolved c. He Answered That to his best remembrance it did interpose and my Lord of Strafford did speak it once or twice And to his best remembrance at first it was agitated to press the Offensive War for there were divers Reasons given as the Kingdom stood then that there should be no Offensive War and he must speak clearly and plainly he the Examinant did move for a Defensive War For the Subjects of England how they stood affected to this War they knew and besides a breach of a Parliament he thought it would but induce an ill effect On these Controversions the words were spoken Here Mr. Whitlock observed That these words were spoken in England on this occasion Of the Kings trying His People c. which cannot be intended any other place but England where the Parliament was broken and where the King had tried his People Being Asked on the motion of the Earl of Southampton Whether he sayes positively my Lord of Strafford did say these words or words to that effect or whether to his best remembrance He Answered That he speaks positively either those words or words to that effect The Earl of Clare desiring further satisfaction to the Question formerly proposed on this Motion Whether he meant by this Kingdom the Kingdom of England or the Kingdom of Scotland The Lord Steward put his Lordship in mind That Sir Henry Vane testifies to the Words not to the Interpretation And Mr. Maynard said The Question is put Whether this Kingdom be this Kingdom And so Mr. Whitlock said They should conclude their Evidence conceiving the last words spoken to be very fully proved and by connexion with those other words proved before he thinks it is very clear and manifest That my Lord of Strafford had a strong Design and Endeavour to subvert and change the Fundamental Laws and Government of England and to bring in an Army upon us to force this Kingdom to submit to an Arbitrary Power That he shall not trouble their Lordships with repitition of words nor with the Application of them for indeed they be above Application and to aggravate them were to allay them they have in themselves more bitterness and horror then he is able to express and so he left them to their Lordships consideration and application expecting my Lord of Straffords Answer to them Only he desired their Lordships in one point to hear what Mr. Treasurer can say further concerning the breach of the last Parliament and what Words and Messages he heard of during the sitting of that Parliament procured by my Lord of Strafford unless their Lordships will reserve that till the rest of the Witnesses come to morrow morning and then they shall be ready to produce all relating to that point together Whereupon liberty was granted for the reserving of them accordingly My Lord of Strafford did hereupon crave of their Lordships leave to recollect his Notes being as he said a little Distracted how to give Answer to these things for diverse Articles are mingled together which will make his Answer not so clear as otherwise he had hoped to have made it but trusts he shall do it still He desires leave to Answer Article by Article and how much horror soever this Gentleman is pleased to say there is in these words he trusts before he goes out of the Room to make it appear that though there may be error of Judgment yet nothing that may give offence when the Antecedents and Consequents are brought together and that he shall give such an account that whether or no their Lordships will clear him as to the Charge of an Indiscreet Man he knows not but as for Treason to the King and His People he shall give clear satisfaction that no such thing was spoken or intended His Lordship desired He might be favoured with the sight of my Lord of Northumberlands Examinations But this Mr Glyn opposed and said His Lordship being to Answer to matter of Fact let him first say how it stands and then prove it To which my Lord of Strafford Answered That in truth they make much more of it then he did for he trusts by the blessing of Almighty God to give the Answer of an honest Man to all Objections he will not say of a discreet Man and once for all he humbly besought their Lordships and so he knows in their Wisdom and Judgment they will to
His people and to make both happy but Parliaments as shall appear clearly and plainly by that time he hath given his proofs and so it will appear he meant only lawful ways The next particular wherewith he is charged is to procure the Parliament of the Kingdom of Ireland to declare their assistance in a War against the Scots For that if their Lordships please to give him leave he thinks the thing it self will best shew it self and therefore he desired the Remonstrance of the Two Houses of Parliament in Ireland might be read And that of the Commons-House was read being in effect THe Declaration of the Commons-House there Importing Whereas they have with one consent cleerly given to His Majesty Four entire Subsidies towards His present preparations to reduce His disaffected Subjects the Covenanters in Scotland to their due obedience They still hope that His Majesties great Wisdom and unexampled Clemency may yet prevail with the worse affected of those His Subjects to bring them to that conformity and submission which by the Laws of God and Nature they owe to him But if His Majesty shall be enforced to use His Power to vindicate His just Authority This House for themselves and the Commons of this Kingdom do profess that their Zeal and Duty shall not stay here at these four Subsidies but Humbly promise That they will be ready with their Persons and Estates to their uttermost ability for His Majesties future Supply in Parliament as His great occasions by the continuance of His Forces against that distemper shall require This they pray that it may be represented to His Majesty by the Lord Lieutenant and Recorded as an Ordinance of Parliament and published in Print as a Testimony to all the world and succeding ages That as this Kingdom hath the happiness to be governed by the best of Kings so they desire to give cause That he shall account this people amongst the best of His Subjects The Declaration of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal being of the same Tenor was spared to be read Upon which my Lord of Strafford said That if he had procured this Declaration it had been no crime considering what preceeded in the Kings Council there But he says he hath no part in it it was done with the greatest freedom and cheerfulness that ever he did or shall see a thing of that nature done It must be ascribed to that Nation and the Zeal Affection and Chearfulness by which they discovered themselves to the Kings service to which there was no need to invite them But if he had had a part in it he might have justified it considering what precedent Instructions he had from the King which he could shew but that he is loath to take up their Lordships time The next thing he is charged withal is for confederating with Sir George Ratcliffe and together with him traiterously conspiring to employ the Army raised in Ireland for the ruine and destruction of the Kingdom of England and of His Majesties Subjects and subverting the fundamental Laws of this Kingdom To which he saith That truly if it be made appear that he had so much as any such thought in his Breast he should easily give Judgement against himself as not worthy to live If he should confederate to the destruction of the Countrey that bore him and consequently to the making of himself and his posterity little else than Vassals who were born a free people by the goodness of Almighty God and under the Protection and Justice of the King and particularly of His Majesty That he hath a heart that loves freedom as well as another man and values it as highly and in a modest and dutiful way will go as far to defend it And therefore certainly he is not altogether so probably to be thought a person that would go against it Nay he thinks that man doth the King the best service that stands for the modest Propriety and Liberty of the Subject It hath been once his opinion which he learnt in the Honourable House of Commons when he had the honor to sit there it hath gone along with him in the whole course of his service to the Common-wealth and by the Grace of God he shall carry it to his Grave That the Prerogative of the Crown and Liberty of the Subject should be equally looked upon and served together but not apart The proof they offer for this is a strange manner of proof For First they prove by Sir Robert King what Sir George Ratcliffe said they will not admit the examination of Sir George Ratcliffe but here is a Report upon a Report And what sayes this Gentleman He tells of some time Sir George Ratcliffe said which was not concerning him the Defendant and was impertinent for him to repeat But the Deponent sayes in the conclusion That as he understood them there was some danger towards c. Then comes my Lord Ranalaugh and reports the words of Sir George Ratcliffe and in conclusion sayes That by some things he did gather he had fears there might be some intendment to employ that Army in Ireland or some other place but he the Defendant offers to their Lordships That what Sir George Ratcliffe said was nothing to him and so could not charge him with it The meanest Subject in the Kingdom cannot commit Treason by Letter of Attorney and it is a priviledge which though he hath the honor to be a Peer he shall never desire that a Peer may do it by Proxy Sir George Ratcliffe cannot speak nor procure Treason for him and being Sir George Ratcliffes words they cannot be his the Earl of Straffords offence and he hopes Sir George will answer them as an honest Gentleman and a Privy-Counsellor to the King which he hath the honor to be in Ireland And how Sir Robert King understood them is as little if not less to him the Defendant Sir Robert's understanding of a thing can make no crime to him my Lord of Strafford And for my Lord Ranalaugh's fears he may take them back again for it will be shewed they were groundless fears viz. That this Army was intended for English ground For him to imagine that because my Lord of Strafford said It was like to be a troublesome world and that he was willing to sell his Land therefore this Army should come into England These be Non sequiturs and fancies of his own and there was no colour for such fears in his Lordship Besides my Lord Ranalaugh was not acquainted with the Design and therefore he might easily mistake but others were acquainted with it in such manner as is expressed in his Answer and which my Lord said he shall now declare viz. That there was no intention or purpose of bringing this Irish Army into England And whereas to the Design he hath exprest in his Answer of having two Honourable Persons to be made privy and divers others to his Papers he Humbly besought their Lordships to favour him
so far as to suffer him to ask a Question of three or four persons he shall produce professing that there was never a thought in any mans heart that he knew nor never a word in any mans mouth that ever he heard that any part of the Army should ever touch a foot on English ground as some of their Lordships and His Majesty knows where his Lordship added If he may with Reverence name His Majesty in that poor and distressed condition wherein himself is for he is not worthy of his Protection being in this miserable Case and therefore it was too much boldness for him to name him But his Lordship desired the benefit of reading my Lord of Northumberland's Examination to the point of that Design Algernon Earl of Northumberland his Examination taken To the First Interrogatory he saith That he hath often heard both His Majesty and the Earl of Strafford mention the 8000 Foot which were to be raised in Ireland but to his best remembrance he never heard any intention of bringing the said 8000 Foot or any part thereof into England That the design of landing them on the West of Scotland was often spoke of and so resolved as he believes To the Second he saith He doth not remember that ever he heard the Earl of Strafford speak or mention the reducing of the Subjects of England by the said Army in Ireland Here my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships to take notice that my Lord of Northumberland was one of the Committee of Eight for Scotch affairs The Lord Marq. Hamilton being Sworn and Interrogated what he knew or believed concerning the raising of 8000 Foot in Ireland or whether he was privy to any intention of bringing the same or any part of them into England His Lordship Answered It is late and time is precious to their Lordships and so he shall answer as shortly as he can unto that Question It is very true His Majesty was Graciously pleased to acquaint him with the resolution of raising that Army of 8000 Foot And it is true that the resolution was That these men should Land in the West of Scotland about a certain Town called Ayre or where my Lord should find it most convenient And for any thing he the Examinant knows there was no other design he never heard of any nor did he hear of the bringing of them into England for any such use or end or that they were ever to come to England at all Being asked whether he heard my Lord of Strafford speak any thing concerning the reducing of England by the Army His Lordship Answered That he doth not remember my Lord of Strafford to have spoken any such words Sir Tho. Lucas Sergeant-Major-General of the Horse of the King's Army in Ireland who as my Lord of Strafford said being with him him here in Candlemas-Term was 12 months in his own Lodging at Covent-Garden something passed between them concerning the disposing of the 8000 Foot and 1000 Horse to what purpose they were raised And being asked What was the Intent and Circumstance of that discourse He Answered That about the latter end of Ianuary 1639. my Lord of Strafford told him an Army was to be raised in Ireland another in England and with the English Army a Regiment of Horse whereof his the Examinants Troop should be one and some Regiments of Foot and these Foot and Horse were to joyn with the Irish Army and that my Lord taking a Map of Scotland which lay then in the Chamber said Now I must tell you the greatest secret in all the world and pointed with his finger towards that part of Scotland which lies on the Dunbar-Frith and said the Irish Army is to land here and here I intend to take a Town but he did not nominate the Town and added That he might the more easily do it because the Scots would not expect his Landing there but it is likely will imagine the Landing of the Irish Army at Carlisle or some other part of England And his Lordship said further That when he had taken this he would strongly fortifie it intending it for a Magazine of Ammunition and Victuals for the Irish Army and so he should bring all the Countrey about to Contribution even to Edenburgh and when he is Landed he the Examinant should have notice and should joyn with the Irish Army and that he would send these Horse my Lord spake to him the Examinant about 1000 as he thinks to convey him the Examinant to him My Lord of Strafford added That the truth is there were Foot-Regiments of Sir Tho. Wharton's and Sir Arthur Tyrringham's and Sir Tho. Lucas's Regiment of 500 Horse that when the Irish were Landed in Scotland were to be fetcht by Ships from St. Rees and so to have joyned with the others And it was supposed 500 would have found no great difficulty on a suddain for such a march and Sir Tho. Wharton and Sir Arthur Tyrringham came over purposely to have persued his Design by which it appears there was no design to bring them to England and so a strange Philosophy it was to bring it into any mans thoughts it should be so Mr. Slingsby being Interrogated What he knew concerning the Design of the Irish Army He Answered That he had the honor to be sworn of the Council of War and then the charge of making the whole Magazine of Ammunition and Provision for that Army was conferred on him That he repaired to England 10 days after my Lord and persued his received Instructions for making preparations of Artillery and Ammunition directed which he got all shipp'd and ready about Iuly that the slow proceedings of the Irish Army did then retard his directions from my Lord-Lieutenant for the dispatch away of those Ships which were ready That my Lord was pleased to tell him he must provide some stores for a Magazine for maintainance of the Soldiers that he was pleased to impart to him That the Army was to Land in Scotland about Aire That he thereupon proceeded to get a Map drawn of that Coast and informed himself by that Map and discoursed with Scotchmen in Town That Aire was a barred Harbor and that divers Ordinance were mounted to intercept the Landing which he representing to my Lord-Lieutenant my Lord directed him to take consideration of the burdens of the Ships and whether they could be brought to ride near the Town and that there might be provision of Flat-bottomm'd Boats to Land a good number at once That he had a Warrant to receive 10 of the King 's Flat-bottomm'd Boats and 20 were provided by my Lord of Antrim the last year with Oars and a floating Battery to secure the Landing of the men That he had direction to obtain Warrants from my Lord of Newport for 10 16 or 20 pieces of Ordinance That at first he had 10 afterwards 6 more Iron pieces for fortification which as my Lord of Strafford had imparted to him the Examinant
were to fortifie the place after Landing at Aire and were Shipt and sent away but the Ships were not sent a good while after by reason of the slow proceedings of the Army Being asked whether my Lord of Strafford did not give him direction to get a Coast-Map to let him know the particular place where he intended to Land He Answered That he was particularly commanded to get a Platt drawn and the party that drew it is in Town and can testify that he designed him Being asked Whether he had not Commission and Instructions from my Lord of Strfford to discharge some Ships for the lessening of the Kings Charge and to take only so many as might be fit for the service He Answered That he received that command from my Lord Lieutenant to discharge most of the Ships and none went about but them that were laden with Ammunition and he received direction to take as few Ships as he could to prevent charge to His Majesty and discharged some 10 or 14 Flemish Ships that were fraighted This my Lord of Strafford said he offers because he would not have it stick with any man That in the things concerning the Kings Service necessaries were not ready at the time therefore he would not have any thing asperse him for the King never commanded him any thing but according to what he understood he did it faithfully and never any thing miscarried Sir William Pennyman being asked What my Lord of Strafford's Answer was to him when he told my Lord of some News scattered that the Irish Army were intended for England He Answered He did Ask such a Question and remembers it and may be more particularly than my Lord doth That he was newly come from his Quarter and my Lord told him That some of their Lordships were come with a Petition to the King and among other things Petitioned That the Irish Army should not come over and wondered their Lordships should Petition for that for certainly he should know that particular as much as their Lordships and protested before God they were never intended to set foot on English Ground That he Sir William Pennyman reply'd again Certainly a great many more were in a great deal of darkness and error for he had asked Sir Robert Farrar the Reason the Irish Army did not come over it being the conjecture of a great many they should Land at Workington and his Lordship protested again That he never knew they were to set foot on English ground He the Defendant confesseth he said The Army was to come to Workington and joyn with the Kings Forces at Barwick for he had no reason to prepare the Scots before-hand but to disguise the business though he never thought nor heard of any purpose under Heaven that any of them should come on English Ground And added That he did not rest here but acquainted my Lord of Ormond the Lieutenant-General of that Army my Lord President of Munster my Lord Justice Burlace who now is General of the Artillery that the Army was to be sent for Knockfergus the Northerly part of Ireland and the business to be for Scotland not for England And the sending of all the Stores to the uttermost Confines shews plainly and demonstratively that the Design wrought there howsoever it was pretended in another place The next thing brought into his Charge is from the Mouth of his own Brother and it is narrowly sought after even in his innermost friends his Brother his Table his House his Bed in every place for something to Convince him of that which he thanks God he was never guilty of It is from a Testimony of Sir Tho. Barrington who tells what passed between Sir Thomas and his Brother But in Answer thereunto he offers That what his Brother sayes is nothing to him his Brother is a young Gentleman and in things that concern the Kings service and where there lies the Obligation of an Oath his Brother knows no more from him than a meer stranger nor shall though he knows him well and therefore he hopes this cannot convince him when the whole course of his actions goes another way But thus much he must say for his Brother before he be Examined That when it was first opened in the Parliament House That one near to him in blood should say England would be never well till it be Conquer'd again he could not imagine who in the world it should be And besought their Lordships that since he now comes to know it his Brother may be Asked Whether he knows any thing of it Sir George Wentworth being to speak as to the said Discourse Mr. Maynard opposed this proceeding as tending to the clearing of himself supposing that if they had examined him whether he had spoken the words or no their Lordships would not have suffered him to be examined to charge himself and their Lordships Judgments were humbly demanded whether if he be not to be examined on one side he should be examined on the other But Sir George Wentworth desiring to be heard for his own Justification Mr. Maynard further offered That being for his own Justification he could not under favour of their Lordships be heard And their Lordships directed it accordingly My Lord of Strafford offering to their Lordships That it is easie to mistake words that pass betwixt Man and Man in ordinary and familiar Discourse and that Memories that can remember things so long since he protested are quicker and fresher then ever his was The Committee thereupon offered to confirm the Testimony by some other Circumstances but their Lordships seeming satisfied it was forborn And so my Lord of Strafford concluded that part of the Charge which concerned his Conspiring with Sir George Ratcliffe to bring over the Irish Army to the prejudice of England thinking as he said that he had clearly and evidently demonstrated it to be a truth that will not be denied him that the intendment was for no such purpose and consequently there was no such Conspiracy to any such intent and therefore left it to their Lordships further and wiser and nobler Considerations The next thing is the words Charged to have been spoken after his return into England to sundry persons declaring his Opinion That His Majesty should first try the Parliament here and if they did not supply Him according to His present exigency He might use His Prerogative as He pleased and to Levy what He needed And all the Proofe of these words is the Testimony of my Lord Primate whereunto he hath given that Answer already that he hopes will be satisfactory As to the other part That the King shall be acquitted before God and Men if he take other course to supply Himself though against the good will of His Subjects This he hath Answered already and shall not need to repeat But he finds some things in the Proofes which whether they mean to make use of to prove any of the words he knows not and
found the affairs of Scotland so distempered that he thought fit to reduce the Kings Subjects there by force His Lordship says That if the Demands struck at the root of Government then it was fit to say they should be reduced by force But the words were spoken before the reasons of the Demands were known and before he could know how they could be warranted by the Laws of that Kingdom and it is part of the Charge of the House of Commons That he said They struck at the root of Government which it appears they did not for those very Demands against which my Lord of Strafford delivered his opinion are since enacted by the Parliament of Scotland and confirmed by His Majesties Royal Authority in the Treaty which is very well known to divers of their Lordships sitting here My Lord sayes It was first resolved a War should be had and then for him to debate Whether an Offensive or Defensive War is no Crime but that receives a clear Answer for it was his Resolution his Advice That there should be a War and an Offensive War which shewes his Design against the Kingdom of Scotland My Lord labours to prove That the seising of the Scotch Ships was not by his Warrant but by Warrants otherwise procured That was not insisted on in the Charge and therefore they will not insist upon it in the Reply there is enough besides My Lord is further pleased to say That there is no substantial or concluding proofe of his intent that the Parliament should be only called to try whether there would be supply given or no and that is only deposed by my Lord Primate a single Testimony But my Lord Primate concurs with others in the same sence and meaning To my Lord Conwayes Testimony my Lord sayes That for the King to help Himself is a Natural Motion and proper to every one But the other words of my Lord Conwayes Testimony That the King might help and supply Himself though it were against the will of His Subjects must be understood not of a Natural but a violent motion and it appears to be my Lord of Straffords Design to have it so He comes to the Testimony of my Lord Treasurer and sayes That doth not at all touch him that he promised to assist the King in any other way in case the Parliament did not succeed But this proves his intent That if the Parliament were dissolved as he was willing it should as it will afterwards appear he would assist the King in any other way whatsoever He took a good Pattern Stare super vias antiquas and we shall prove that too but this was not via antiqua of Parliaments to propose Supplies in the first place and to put off consideration of grievances to urge nothing but to give to the King and before a Resolution whether they would give or not to informe against the Parliament by Misinformation My Lord mentions the Declaration of the House of Commons in Ireland concerning the giving of Four Subsidies for the Kings supply of the War with Scotland which is in the Charge but was not insisted upon But by shewing this my Lord of Strafford hath procured that which is likewise in the Charge That the Parliament of Ireland did engage themselves in the War against Scotland and by the Preamble of his Answer This was in my Lord of Straffords Knowledge and may be easily proved to be by his Procurement being the Chief Governor there He sayes That had he ever entertained such thought as the words proved import he should give Judgment against himself But as no mans thoughts can be proved but by his words and actions so the words proved do manifest that his thoughts were no other and shew clearly his intention to bring in an Army on us to reduce this Kingdom My Lord calls Sir Robert Kings Testimony a Report on a Report and sayes the like of the Testimony of my Lord Ranalagh which shall be answered when he comes to lay the whole matter together according to the course of opening the Articles Diverse Witnesses his Lordship produces to prove that the 8000 Foot raised in Ireland were designed for Scotland and particularly for the Town of Aire which is very improbable for that Town as was informed and will be proved was at that time very well fortified and the Coasts thereof and the Haven so barred and narrow that one of my Lord of Straffords own Witnesses says there could be no probability of Landing an Army there The like may be said of the Frith of Dunbarton that was Fortified long before And if their Lordships repair to some part of my Lord of Straffords Answer where he sayes they were to be landed in some places near the Country of my Lord of Argile to divert him These places are so far from his Country and such Armes of the Sea and unpassable Mountains are interposed that they could not be landed there with any intention to go to Argyles Country But admit there were a primary intention of this Army in some part of Scotland the Witnesses speak onely to what was intended before the Army was raised But when the Army was on foot my Lord of Straffords intention might be changed and it seems it was for he laboured to perswade His Majesty to make use of it to reduce this Kingdom He sayes The Testimony touching Sir George Wentworths words is single and spoken by his Brother and could not reach him but though one Witness testifies the words yet it may be made appear to their Lordships that presently after the words spoken Sir Tho. Barrington related them to other Gentlemen who are ready to testifie that he so related them But their Lordships seeming satisfied in that point directed him to proceed Next my Lord Discourses of my Lord of Bristols Testimony and the differences of opinion between them touching the summoning of a Parliament But my Lord of Bristol proves the following words That the King was not to suffer himself to be mastered by the frowardness of His People c. and to these no Answer is given To which Mr. Whitlock said he would further answer in the General Reply And so for the words proved by my Lord of Newbrough my Lord of Holland and diverse other Noble Lords of this House My Lord of Strafford was pleased to mention the Statute of 1 E. 6. ca. 12. where to compass by Preaching or saying to deprive the King is not for the first offence Treason though words of a more transcendent and high nature and hence he inferr'd that the words charged on him are not Treason But that Statute is onely of Treasons spoken of the King but not of Words and Counsels that advise the thing to be done And there is no Question but at this day for any man to Advise and Counsel the Destruction of the King is High-Treason notwithstanding that Statute These words charged on my Lord are a Declaration of his intention to subvert
the Laws and Government of the Kingdom and the use made of the words is not that they are in themselves Treason but as they prove that intention But this is the work of another time being matter of Law and therefore Mr. Whitlock said he would say no more to it now neither doth it require his Answer nor is it at all to this business My Lord did much insist on it that there was no mention by any of the Lords that were of the Committee for the Scotch Affairs concerning the words of bringing the Army out of Ireland to reduce this Kingdom diverse of their Lordships being to that point examined But Mr. Treasurer Swears in the Affirmative he heard the words spoken and when they come to sum up the rest of these words and applying them to this shew the dependance they have one upon another their Lordships will see plainly that must be his intention and that there could be no other interpretation of his words It is possible for some that were at the Council not to hear the words and yet that disproves not a Witness that sayes in the Affirmative he did hear the words And though some of my Lords do not remember some other passages as That His Majesty was loose and absolved from all Rules of Government yet that is proved by two Witnesses and though the rest remember them not yet that stands clearly proved Other things which some of their Lordships did not remember were proved by three Witnesses Whence it may be deduced that what Mr. Treasurer deposes is to be believed though some of my Lords that were present did not remember it By making a sum and Collection of the words and comparing one with another it will appear very clear that my Lord of Straffords intention was to bring in that Army to reduce this Kingdom And first their Lordships will remember the words that passed betwixt Sir George Rateliffe and Sir Robert King and the Relation between my Lord of Strafford and Sir George Ratcliffe And before my Lord of Strafford came out of Ireland he gave direction to Sir George Ratcliffe and afterwards on a Discourse Sir Robert saying how my Lord of Strafford and how the said Sir George Ratcliffe had least cause to desire a War Sir George replyed We are ingaged not himself onely but We speaking of my Lord of Strafford are ingaged in a War and Sir George sayes further that the King hath 30000 Men and 400000 l. in his Purse and a Sword by His Side and if he wanted Money who would pity Him which cannot be intended but by raising of Money on the Subjects of England But besides their Lordships may remember the expression of my Lord Ranalaugh and Sir Robert King that these Forces were intended to be used for raising Moneys here and that my Lord of Strafford offers to sell his Land in Ireland Besides his Brother said the Commonwealth is sick of Peace and would not be well till it was Conquer'd again which must imply Force and an Army to do it It is a Proof of my Lord of Straffords intention that a Parliament should be summon'd to give Supply and if not that then it should be Dissolved and other Courses should be taken My Lord Primates Deposition is that in case of necessity His Majesty might use His Prerogative might levy what he needed only first it was fit to try the Parliament and if that succeeded not then to use his Prerogative as he pleases My Lord Conway proves the same Intention my Lord of Strafford saying to him That if the Parliament supplied not the King His Majesty would be acquitted before God and Men if he took some other course to supply himself though against the will of His Subjects And it cannot be intended to be against their will but it must be by force for if it be with their will it is voluntary And Mr. Treasurer proves that my Lord would be ready to serve the King any other way that is by Force by Armes or any way whatsoever Their Lordships may remember his words to His Majesty That the Parliament had denyed to supply Him that they had forsaken Him which was onely to incense His Majesty against Parliaments He told my Lord of Bristol in that Discourse with him that His Majesty was not to suffer Himself to be Mastered with the frowardness and undutifulness of His People and if His Majesty was not to suffer Himself to be Mastered by them but to Master them it cannot be but by strength of others My Lord of Holland proves more fully and my Lord of Newbrough concurs with him that His Majesty had an Advantage to supply Himself other wayes because the Parliament had denyed to supply Him And there be no other wayes save Parliament-wayes but extraordinary and illegal wayes My Lord of Strafford hath much laboured to answer and qualifie the last words but he comes short of it And those words are as fearful and of as high a nature as can be expressed by a Subject and by a Counsellor to his Soveraign The first part of the said last words are clearly proved by the Testimony of my Lord of Northumberland and Mr. Treasurer That the King had tryed His People and was Absolved from all Rules of Government That He was to do all that Power would admit that he had tryed all wayes and was refused and should be acquitted before God and men The latter part Mr. Treasurer onely reaches to that His Majesty had an Army in Ireland which He might imploy to reduce this Kingdom and comparing these words with the former if the King be absolved from all Rules of Government Which way can that Power be used but by bringing in an Army the latter words being dependant and consequent to the former and if they be compared together and sum'd up their Lordships will be satisfied that this was the intention of my Lord of Strafford to bring an Army out of Ireland into this Kingdom to reduce it and that his purpose was by a strong hand to compel the Subjects of the Kingdom to submit to an Arbitrary Power and whatsoever should be imposed on them And whereas my Lord makes it a great part of his excuse that nothing was executed upon this Counsel we must give humble thanks to His Majesty for if his Counsel might have taken place no doubt but that had been done which was laboured and advised to be done But a Gracious Sovereign would not take hold on those Counsels but rejected them as to that though so much was done on other Counsels and Misinformations of my Lord of Strafford as my Lord of Strafford will never be able to justifie That nothing is done is no excuse to him It is an Obligation to the Kings Subjects the more to Love and Honor him But it shews clearly my Lord of Straffords intention if it might have taken place to have changed the Lawes to have brought an Army upon us and by
with relation to action For these be Counsels and if a Man shall Counsel the death of the King Will any Man doubt whether this be Treason surely no man will doubt it that knowes the Laws of England The Treason is not in his words but in his wicked Counsels For under favor if it be true that he spake them they may be called wicked and that it is true they have offered proof and so he left it to their Lordships Mr. Glyn desired to add a word it concerning the Kingdom and Peers Their Lordships observe how my Lord of Strafford stands questioned for subverting of the Laws and for designing to introduce an Arbitrary Government the other day his design appeared in the exercising of a Tyrannical Power over the Persons Estates and Liberties of the Kings Subjects and though a design was in practice and something put in execution yet there was something left whereby that Treason might be raised to a higher strain For that proofs were produced the other day the exercise of this Tyrannical power in his person which was the stopping of the Streams of Justice but the Fountain of Justice was still uncorrupted and hope left and God be thanked we have hope still But this dayes work is to prove That he ascended the Throne and by his ill Counsels the Venome he had hatcht in his own heart he endeavored to infuse into the Kings Person to make Him of the same opinion with himself and that is to endeavor to corrupt the Fountain But God be thanked he hath met with a Gracious King upon whom he cannot prevaile The words laid to his Charge are very many That he should tell the King he was Absolved from all Rules of Government and that he had an Army in Ireland which he might employ to reduce this Kingdom The latter part of the words he hath endeavoured to answer and the former part proved by positive Witnesses which he hath not given answer to For the latter that concerns the Irish Army Mr. Glynn said He shall not need to put their Lordships in mind of any thing said but whereas my Lord sayes They are proved by one Witness only if your Lordships revise their Notes they shall find them prov'd by many Witnesses When he was not accused by the Commons he tells Sir William Pennyman at York he did intend to bring the Army into England but there was Vox populi and that 's a horrid Witness My Lord Cottington one of the Honourable persons present when the words were spoken testifies to their Lordships That he remembers my Lord of Strafford told the King That after things were setled he was bound to repair the property of the Subject and this under favour proves something for if some Counsel and advice were not given that there should be an invasion on the property what should engage him to tell the King he should restore it Here my Lord Cottington explained himself saying That his meaning was he hath often heard my Lord say The King and People would never be happy till there was a good agreement Mr. Glynn proeceded that if their Lordships please to look on my Lord of Straffords Interrogatory they shall find it asked his Lordship Whether he did not tell the King that he should make restitution of the Subjects propertie when the danger was over and why should his Conscience aske such a question unless there were Counsel given to invade the propriety of the Subject Your Lordships remember the words of Sir George Wentworth which Mr. Glynn said he will not repeat and when my Lord was fixed by the words of his Brother he said That tho he be my Brother I do not use to communicate my Counsels to him and that I am on my oath to conceal yet this great Counsel he did impart to Mr. Slingsby for his own purpose and to Sir William Pennyman And so having spoken to the latter part of the words the reducing of the Subjects of England by the Irish Army to shew that it stands not only on a single proof but if the whole be recollected together there be many things concurring to the positive proof thereof Mr. Glynn put their Lordships in mind of the other words to which two great Witnesses concurr and no Answer at all is given viz. That the Parliament denyed Supply and the King is loose and absolved from all rules of Government put the other words out of doors as they are not if the King be loose from all rules of Government is he not loose to doe what he will And Mr. Glynn added That he must needs give Answer to something that fell from my Lord concerning other words that they were words of Discourse and what he speaks at his Bed or his Table or in private Discourse he thinks they should not be brought against him But Mr. Glynn besought their Lordships to remember that if my Lord speaks the words as a Privy Counsellor speaking to the King concerning the Subjects property compare these words with the other Extermination and then see what the Case is The last thing in his Defence is as high as the Charge it self He is charged That being a Privy Counsellor and entrusted by the King and a man of such Eminence he should indeavour to infuse into the Kings Sacred Person such dangerous Counsels tending to the destruction of the Law and Government and consequently of King and Subject And in the close my Lord of Strafford put their Lordships in mind what a dangerous thing it is for one of the Kings Counsel to be charged for Words spoken at Council-Table to speak this in such a Presence before the Peers and Commons of the Realm that a Privy Counsellor who ought to be clear and candid is not to be questioned though he infuse dangerous Counsels That it is justification of his own Act and so great that he knows not how my Lord could say greater and so he said he hath no more to say their Lordships had heard the Proofs and Defence and comparing them together he doubts not but their Lordships are satisfied that the Commons had just cause to do what they have done My L of Strafford desired to answer one thing the Gentleman that spake last said touching his revealing the Kings Counsels to Mr. Slingsby and others he would be loth to be charged with breaking his Duty to God and the King but where he hath Power and Liberty for as concerning the imployment of that Army the King left it wholly to him to acquaint whom he thought fit for the bettering of the service But the thing that makes him rise is to represent to their Lordships that he hath been there constantly in a great deal of weakness and infirmity since 7 or 8 of the clock and now it is 5. That his Speech and Voice are spent and it is not possible for him to come here to morrow and therefore he most humbly besought their Lordships to
give him the respit of a day to restore his litle strength it shall please God to lend him for he is not able to speak or stand Which the Committee for the Commons House said they should not oppose if it stand with their Lordships pleasure Mr. Pym did only add this That if their Lordships please to observe my Lord of Straffords endeavours to prove divers mitigations of his words some by Mr. Comptroller and some others by my Lord Goring But their Lordships may observe that the words in the Charge were spoken at the Committee the words spoken of by Mr. Comptroller were at the Council-Table and therefore they are not the same nor serve they for extenuation of words spoken at another time And so the House was Adjourned and appointed to meet again on Wednesday next THE Five and Twentieth Article The Charge 25 THat not long after the Dissolution of the said last Parliament viz. in the months of May and June he the Earl of Strafford did advise the King to go on vigorously in levying the Ship-Money and did procure the Sheriffs of several Counties to be sent for for not levying the Ship-Money divers of which were threatened by him to be sued in the Star-Chamber and afterwards by his Advice they were sued in the Star-Chamber for not levying the same and divers of His Majesties loving Subjects were sent for and imprisoned by his advice for that and other illegal payments And a great Loan of One hundred thousand pounds was demanded of the City of London and the Lord Mayor and Sheriffs and Aldermen of the said City were often sent for by his Advice to the Council-Table to give an account of their proceedings in raising of Ship-Money and furthering of that Loan and were required to certify the Names of such Inhabitants of the City as were fit to lend which they with much humility refusing to doe he the said Earl of Strafford did use these and the like speeches viz. That they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransome and that no good would be done with them till an example were made of them and that they were laid by the heels and some of the Aldermen hanged up April 7. 1641. Mr. Maynard proceeded to make good the Charge of the Commons of England against the Earl of Strafford touching High Treason and said They had already brought it so high as they must needs acknowledge they cannot goe higher a Design being laid to introduce an Arbitrary Government and Counsels given to maintain that and to introduce it by force They can goe no higher unless those Counsels had unhappily succeeded but though those Counsels take not effect yet the Principles whereby those Counsels were given appear still to have remained AND whereas my Lord of Strafford having these things proved against him by his Speeches Opinions and Counsels pretends there was no such thing done as if the goodness of others would excuse the badness of his Counsels they shall shew what he did do in the succeeding Articles And in the 25 th he proceeds First to advise His Majesty to go on vigorously with the Ship-Money he procured the Sheriffs to be sent for and sued in the Star-Chamber he sent for the Mayor and Aldermen about the loan of 100000 l. and the furtherance of Ship-money and were told by him That they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransome c. To prove the 25 th Article The Lord Treasurer of England being Interrogated What Advice my Lord of Strafford gave touching the levying of Ship-Money His Lordship Answered That he remembers my Lord of Strafford did advise that they should go vigorously and effectually on with the getting of Ship-Money he takes the time to be when as the Ship-Money came in very slowly and they were enforced to take out of these Moneys that were provided for the furnishing of the Army divers great sums to set out a Fleet which else would have staied still and my Lord of Strafford took no tice That if it were not repaied the Army would be destitute and unfurnished and therefore advised as formerly That the Ship-Money might go on vigorously and the other Money be repaid again for the use for which it was appointed and it was after the breach of the last Parliament Tho. Wiseman Sworn and Interrogated what he heard my Lord of Strafford say when the Aldermen of London were called to the Council-Table about the Ship-Money and the Loan and when it was He Answered That for the time he cannot very well remember and touching the Loan he is able to say little But about the Ship-Money he doth well Remember that my Lord should say they would never do their Duties well till they were put to Fine and Ransome meaning the Aldermen that were then called before their Lordships and this is as much as he can say Being asked whether there were not words of laying by the heels and what the words were He Answered He should not fear to do it My Lord of Strafford did say Whether on the Loan or Ship-Money he is not able to remember You should doe well to be layed by the heels you shall have no good of this man till he be laid by the heels and he the Examinant supposes it was meant of my Lord Mayor who was then present as he remembers and my Lord was there and to his best remembrance His Majesty was present Earl of Barkshire being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford counselled the King touching the said matter of Loan His Lordship Answered That he remembers His Majesty desired to borrow a sum of Money and to give good security for it and Interest after 8 per cent on the sum That the Aldermen were sent for and commanded to give in to the King the Names of those Men that were most able within their several Wards which they excusing themselves from doing my Lord of Strafford said Gentlemen in my opinion you may be lyable to Fine and Ransome for refusing the Kings Command on this occasion for not certifying the Names and this is the effect of what he spake Sir Henry Garaway being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said to the Aldermen about the Ship-Money and Loan-Money He Answered That as he was Mayor of London in the last year he was oftentimes commanded to attend the Council-Table with the Sheriffs of London when they came about the Ship-Money there came no body as he conceives but they and himself but when they came concerning the Loan the whole Court of Aldermen came together Concerning the Ship-Money he confesses he found a great difficulty of it he could not tell which way to turn himself to levy the Money to give the King satisfaction He acquainted His Majesty That there were these difficulties in it That of two years proceeding not one halfe of the City of London had paid and therefore the willing men that had paid
the Money thought it unequal some should pay and some go free And Secondly he said it was the opinion of the City of London That a Writ for Ship-Money and a Writ for a Parliament did not agree well together and for these reasons he found it very difficult they were called up and hastened both in the Assessment of Collection and in respect they found every man adverse to it the business had not that progress nor speedy execution it might otherwise have had and as it had in former times And when he had told His Majesty this it was ill taken that he should deal so plainly because he did discover himself clearly and freely what was the fruit of the business And it pleased my Lord of Strafford then in the presence of the King to speak Sir you will never do good on this man till you have made him an example he is too Diffident or to this purpose unless you commit him you shall do no good upon him This concerning the Ship-Money Concerning the Loan-Money when they came with the Aldermen together he the Examinant desired he might be call'd in singly because he was very loath knowing the humour of the Court of Aldermen how they stood affected that they should give the King a negative Answer at the Board and it pleased His Majesty to call him the Examinant in singly and he told His Majesty in his hearing at that time That there was no good to be done for amongst all the Aldermen he could not yet consent to raise above 6 or 7000 pound at the most And then they were to bring in out of every of the several Wards the Names of all the able men of the City of London that could lend Money wherein it was required they should set it down what every man was fit to lend This they altogether declined for we thought it not fit we should rate mens purses and he the Examinant himself presented the Size-Cinque the Quater-tres men and the Deux-ace men according to their qualities but set a rate on men we did not and desired His Majesty we might be spared Hereupon my Lord of Strafford at that time burst out into these words Sir You will never do good to these Citizens of London till you have made examples of some of the Aldermen This to his best remembrance he said Unless you hang up some of them you will doe no good upon them This is the substance of what he heard Being asked whether this was immediately after the breach of the Parliament He Answered That he cannot confine himself in time he desired to be spared in that but he was several times at the Council-Table but it was after the breaking of the Parliament My Lord of Strafford observing that Alderman Garaway spake it only to his best remembrance he was Interrogated Whether he could speak it positively He Answered That it is a great while ago and he did hear the words that 's certain Being asked by my Lord of Strafford whether he himself spake them He Answered Yes my Lord your Lordship did speak them My Lord desiring leave to recollect himself a little said he will speak with as much truth albeit not with so much confidence as this Gentleman And after a little respite he began his Defence as followeth The Defendant must still insist on this ground which hitherto he hath gone upon under their Lordships good leave That there is nothing in this Article that can possibly convince him of High-Treason admit it all proved as it is laid down in the Charge he hath very little to Answer for there is little proved the greatest part is offered on a single Testimony which as he hath heretofore mentioned he humbly conceives by the Laws of the Land cannot be charged upon him in case of Treason for nothing can be charged upon him in case of Treason without two lawful Witnesses For the advice my Lord Treasurer says he gave in case of levying Ship-Money surely he advised no other ways than as had been formerly used 3 or 4 years before his coming into the Kingdom so that if it be an error he was led into it by the practice of former times and of wiser men than himself Besides there was then as he conceives a Judgement given in the Exchequer-Chamber and he hath learnt always in his own practice by reason of his own weakness of judgement never to be wiser than his Teachers or to pretend to know more in other mens professions than they know themselves And therefore there being a Judgement given in point of Law by the Judges it was not for him to dispute what they had done but with all humility to submit it to better judgements than his own so that to advise such a thing as it then stood he hopes will be excusable and pardonable in him albeit he doth not justify himself in it in respect of something he hath heard and learnt since that time and taught him likewise by wiser men than himself And as he then followed that which was delivered by the Judges so he shall for the future follow what he hath learnt by others that ought to be believed and by him credited before himself But in the mean time he conceives it a pardonable fault and shall never be drawn up or put into the Scale against him as Treason To the other words testified to be spoken by him at the Council-Table He Answers That he might hold the Aldermen lyable or subject to Fine and Ransome in case they did not submit to the Kings Demands for so on the matter my Lord of Berkshire repeats the words truly such hath been and shall be his ingenuity in all things concerning this business that these words he hath already acknowledged and confest to be by him spoken and he confessed now he did say That in his opinion in a Case of that great necessity and imminent danger which he conceived the Kingdom to be in their refusal might perchance make them lyable to Fine and Ransome but the words as he remembers them were appliable not to that particular but to another For he says and he says truly the words were spoken to hasten and speed my Lord Mayor in the services that were commanded him not out of any intention or purpose to do him hurt by further moving or prosecuting any thing against him He confesses he wishes he had not spoken them but being spoken and spoken to that end and purpose as high a thing as this might have been passed over and not charged on him as a crime but rather as an extravagant saying which God forbid a man should be Arraigned for in this kind as he is and a little excess of Speech he trusts by their Lordships Favour and Goodness may be excused if not pardoned at least so much pardoned as it shall not be laid to him as Treason when it is but a hasty word and nothing follows upon it For the other words
which my Lord Mayor sayes that he the Earl of Strafford should say to His Majesty Sir there will be no good done with the Citizens of London till you have hanged some of them up which at first he said was to his best remembrance and upon recollection he says directly and absolutely for my Lord said he must not make it weaker against himself than it is and he wishes that rule might be kept on both sides which is to repeat the Evidence to their Lordships clearly and plainly as it is which duty he said he had Religiously observed since the beginning of the Cause and will perform to the last not misrecyting any thing for his advantage or disadvantage This being howsoever his comfort and joy that their Lordships are so wise as not to hearken to what is repeated of the Evidence but to the Evidence it self as it is plainly and clearly represented and that will not deceive them and therefore my Lord said to the best of his remembrance and the Witnesses said no more at the first he spake them not but he thinks they were spoken in so good company before their Lordships of the Council-Board that it cannot but be remembred by some of their Lordships if the words had been spoken and by His Majesty to whom it is said they were directed But being an equal Testimony however in this condition and misfortune and affliction it may be between this Gentleman and himself he thinks that before these troubles befell him he was as equally to be believed as the other and therefore all the difference is one sayes it the other denies it My Lord added That he denyed it in his Answer and he denies it at the Bar and in truth to his best remembrance he never spake the words and it is a thing of no great moment being a hasty word and at the most very excusable especially to a free spoken man as he is and he smarts for it which hath further engaged him perhaps than wiser man would have been that hath much worse thoughts than ever he had but he hoped it will be pardoned and not amount to make good the Charge against him but that their Lordships Honor and Justice will excuse it rather than punish it and so his Lordship said he would say no more to it Mr. Maynard made Reply thereunto in substance as followeth The Committee shall need to to say little to this Answer of my Lord of Strafford for whereas he sayes nothing of High Treason is proved their Lordships will be pleased to remember how oft this hath been answered for if their Lordships will look back to what they have proved from the beginning They charge not this as a particular Treason but having charged him with a design to subvert the fundamental Laws it appears he threatened it That the Kings little finger should be heavier than the loins of the Law They have shewed what he did in Ireland how he did not only threaten but gave sentence of death on one for words how there he hanged another it appears what a Jurisdiction he erected against Law and wayes were taken to maintain them how Soldiers were forced on mens Houses against their Wills and what Insolency they committed and that must not be questioned when it is propounded When he comes into England their Lordships hear what Counsels he gives which compared with the Plots he laid there is reason to think that these words proceeding from my Lord of Strafford that men should be Fined and Ransomed Hanged up and laid by the Heels comes not out of suddain passion but rise from those Principles and Resolutions that were in him to do all things according to his Will and Pleasure against Law They beseech their Lordships these may not pass as hasty words when they appear to be suitable and conformable to Actions and Counsels preceding for many years and not yet laid down by him for ought can be discerned The singleness of the Testimony hath been often Objected and as often Answered but this is no single Testimony My Lord Treasure speaks of his Advice to go on vigorously with Ship-Money Others prove Fine and Ransome and Hanging up Threatened which have all concurred to the general Charge being several circumstances proved by several Witnesses But whereas my Lord thinks to excuse himself because there was a Judgement in the Exchequer-Chamber God be thanked it appears to be a Judgement against Law and my Lord of Strafford spake these words after the King offered to lay down the Ship-Money for it was after the Parliament But there was never any Judgement that a man might be hanged in such a case nor be Fined and Ransomed for not certifying in matter of Loan my Lord of Strafford knows as well as any man that it is against Law himself having had a great hand in the Petition of Right Mr. Glyn desired he might observe one thing that fell from my Lord of Strafford not at this time only but at several times That it is hard he should for words be questioned as High Treason being a word spoken and no ill effect of it their Lordships may be pleased to call to mind that for words spoken concerning Treading on his Toe he prosecuted so far as to life and yet they were spoken as accidentally as these and not of less consequence and nothing came of them and yet he procured a sentence of death against the Speaker but here he extenuates it and must not be charged with words And so the 25th Article was concluded THE Six and Twentieth Article The Charge 26. THat the said Earl by his wicked Counsels having brought His Majesty into excessive charge without any just cause he did in the month of July last for the support of the said great charges Counsel and approve two dangerous and wicked Projects viz. To seize upon the Bullion and the Money in the Mint And to imbase His Majesties Coyn with the mixtures of Brass And accordingly he procured One hundred and 30000 l. which was then in the Mint and belonging to divers Merchants Strangers and others to be seized on and stayed to His Majesties use And when divers Merchants of London owners of the said Bullion and Money came to his House to let him under stand the great mischief that course would produce here and in other parts and what prejudice it would be to the Kingdom by discrediting the Mint and hindring the importation of Bullion he the said Earl told them that the City of London dealt undutifully and unthankfully with His Majesty and that they were more ready to help the Rebels than to help His Majesty And that if any hurt came to them they may thank themselves and that it was the course of other Princes to make use of such Moneys to serve their occasions And when in the same month of July the Officers of His Majesties Mint came to him and gave him divers reasons against the imbasing the said
Money he told them that the French King did use to send Commissaries of Horse with Commission to search into mens Estates and to peruse their Accounts that so they may know what to levy of them by force which they did accordingly levy and turning to the Lord Cottington then present said That this was a point worthy of his Lordships consideration meaning this course of the French King to raise Moneys by force was a point worthy of his Lordships Consideration MR. Maynard proceeded to open the 26th Article and observed That they had shewed formerly how my Lord of Strafford had laboured a Disaffection betwixt His Majesty and His People Now they come to shew That His Majesty being put to extreame Charges by the Advice of my Lord of Strafford my Lord adds his advice for seising Money in the Mint and for that of the base Coyn or Black Money And that when some attended my Lord of Strafford about it to shew to him the danger and ill consequence that might arise from it my Lord of Strafford tells them The City had dealt undutifully and unthankfully with His Majesty and were more ready to help the Rebels than His Majesty and they may thank themselves and it was the Course of other Princes to make use of such Monies And when the Master of the Mynts gave Reasons against it my Lord said The French King uses to send Commissaries to mens Shops and to look into the Accompts and Books of men to see and peruse their Estates that they might raise and levy it by force And turning to a Noble Lord by him he said That was a point worthy of his Lordships Consideration To prove the words spoken about seising the Money in the Mint Robert Edwards was Sworn and Examined What he heard my Lord of Strafford say when he attended him about the Money seized in the Mynt He Answered That he went to his Lordship about the danger that the Company of Merchant-Adventurers were in in regard their Estates were beyond Sea giving his Lordship to understand the danger in regard so much Money was taken out of the Tower being as he remembers on Saturday night They went on Monday morning and desired my Lord to speak to His Majesty that the money might be restored again that their Means might not be seized for some strangers had threatned they would signifie to their Principal how their Money was taken from them and would seek for a recompence again by the Means they had beyond Sea And my Lord made Answer again to him and diverse others that were there That if they fared amiss they might thank themselves for if they went on in that manner they were like to find it themselves and that they should have the damage of it if they did look to it no better And withal he said That though they think it is a strange business here yet beyond Sea it is not so but on Command men have their Goods taken This was the substance as he remembers of what he said to them Being Asked What my Lord of Strafford said touching the City of London He Answered That he said They did deal very unthankfully and undutifully for there was but 14000 l. for Ship-money that was His Majesties due and they denyed the payment of that and did more to maintain the Rebels than they did to maintain His Majesty Being bid repeat his words He said That they came at first to be humble Suitors to his Lordship to be a meanes to His Majesty that the Money taken from the Tower might be restored again for the Merchants Adventurers Estates beyond Sea were in great danger in regard there were some strangers threatned to write to their Principals to stay their Estates there for the Money stayed in the Tower Whereupon my Lord made Answer That if they did speed amiss they might thank themselves for they are more ready to hold with Rebels then they were to give His Majesty His due which was 14000 l. for Ship-money Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where he spake them and Whether he was not then Sick He Answered It was in his Chamber and my Lord did sit in his Chair and he the Examinant stood hard by him with four or five more and he conceives my Lord was sick at that time Being Asked on like motion Whether he did not tell them he was sick and could not go to the King at that time He Answered That he remembers not that my Lord said he could not go to the King but he said he knew nothing of it till that morning to his the Examinants remembrance Anthony Palmer Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said to him concerning the mixt Money He Answered That my Lord of Strafford had some Discourse with him and the rest of his fellow Officers concerning base Money and upon the Questioning of it they gave him their Reasons against it and the insufficiency of it to do any thing and said so much as they conceived my Lord was disswaded from going any further in it Upon this he afterwards shewed them a Letter drawn out of his Pocket which as he said was sent him out of France and in the French Tongue and because he the Examinant did not understand the French tongue he read it in English to this effect so far as the best of his memory will hold That the King of France or the French King had appointed certain Officers of his to go and take view of mens Books of Accompt and Estates by that means to see what they were worth and to know what the King might demand of them and if they were not willing to pay it there would be a force upon them to pay it This to the best of his Remembrance is that my Lord did deliver Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not speak words to this effect That if His Majesty should do so he should have the Examples of others or to that purpose He Answered Something he set forth to this effect but the very words he cannot express but it was to that purpose That he had received Letters that the King of France had sent Officers that took view of Mens Books and Accompts to raise to himself some Moneys if they were not willing by constraint and withal some other Speeches did fall from him to this purpose but the very words he cannot speak that it was an Example or might be an Example to do the like in England Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where this was spoken He Answered It was in my Lords own house in Leister-fields he thinks and there were present three more Sir William Parkhurst Mr. Gogan and himself and my Lord Cottington was also there Henry Gogan Sworn and Interrogated What he heard my Lord of Strafford say when he attended him about the abusing of the Coyn He Answered That after the Coyning of the Base Money was thought on there were Queries made
and they were to give an Answer the next day about the making of it That was about the Expedition and what it would cost and two other Particulars the Paper Sir William Parkhurst hath But some of them spoke against the making of the Money Mr. Palmer and the rest shewed the inconvenience of it and then my Lord pull'd out a Letter in French and read it in English to this purpose That the King of France raised money by force sending Commissaries of Horse to look into their Books and Estates and levy money accordingly and did turn about to my Lord Cottington and said My Lord this is worthy your consideration or hearing or words to that purpose Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Where it was spoken He Answered It was spoken at my Lords House in the Fields in the presence of Sir William Parkhurst Lord Cottington Mr. Palmer and himself Sir William Parkhurst being Sworn and Interrogated What my Lord of Strafford said when he and the rest attended him about the Copper Money He Answered That they were sent for and the first Question they were asked was What sorts of Money were made in Queen Elizabeths time of Copper for the Kingdom of Ireland they told him what they were and that they could produce the Indentures and Circumstances of making those Monyes and they had diverse Discourses of the matter of Money and it was resolved into certain Queries that they should consider of which he the Examinant was never formerly examined of and the Papers are not here neither was he warned hither to day And in the discourse of these Moneys my Lord of Strafford did produce a Letter written in French as newes lately received from thence and doubting whether they understood French or no he Englished it in these kinds of words or thus much in substance That the French King had lately sent certain Commissaries or Commissioners into diverse parts of France there to take and peruse the Accompts of Merchants and the Books of Mens Estates whereby they might know what Estates they had and this is the substance of what he can say and further he heard him not say Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Who was there present He Answered My Lord of Strafford my Lord Cottington Mr. Palmer Mr. Gogan and himself Being Asked on the like motion Whether he heard my Lord of Strafford offer to my Lord Cottington That this was worthy his consideration or notice He Answered That he did not hear it Being Asked Whether he said That if the King should do so he should follow the Example of other Princes He Answered No. Sir Ralph Freeman being Asked What words my Lord of Strafford spake concerning Copper Money If it were refused to be taken He Answered That he was not there at the first meeting but at the private Council His Majesty being present there was a Debate about Paying Copper-Money and he the Examinant Answering That they would not work if they were paid in Copper Money My Lord of Strafford replied You know what course to take with them you may send them to the House of Correction This is all he heard Mr. Maynard desired Tho. Skinners Examination might be read as to the matter which Mr. Stewart was examined to he being seen at Westminster that morning and acknowledged that he was to be examined here as a Witness and it seems could not get in or is otherwise kept away My Lord of Strafford desired they might reserve the advantage of him and he would give way to it Mr. Maynard answered That when he sayes a Witness may be kept away it is not that he is kept away for he is here but if a Witness hath been examined and doth not come his Examinations may be read for it is possible a Witness may be kept away though he be not sick George Henley being Sworn and Interrogated Whether he saw Skinner this morning at Westminster He Answered He saw him in the Pallace-yard and he told him the Examinant that he the said Skinner was to be here as a Witness My Lord of Strafford desiring that liberty for him to Cross-examine him might be reserved and that being granted the Examinations were read The Examination of Tho. Skinner Gent. taken the 8th Ian. 1641. To the 98 Interrogatory he saith That he attended Mr. Edwards and other Merchants-Adventurers to the Lord-Lieutenant a little after the stay of the Money and Bullion in the Mynt and the said Merchants represented divers inconveniences to his Lordship which might arise from the stay thereof and alleadged That it would occasion a seisure of the English Merchants beyond the Seas Whereupon his Lordship said He did not know of the seisure until that morning But if any Inconvenience happen they may thank themselves and his Lordship further said that though this act might seem strange in England it was no newes in other Countries Where Princes made use of such means to serve their occasions and his Lordship did very much tax and blame the City of London saying They dealt unworthily with His Majesty in refusing to pay the 14000 l. of Ship-money which was His due and that they were more ready to hold with Rebels than with His Majesty and that they dealt unthankfully with His Majesty in not relieving him in His great Necessities And so Mr. Maynard concluded this Article the words charged being proved and my Lord of Straffords Answer was expected After a small time given him to recollect his Notes my Lord of Strafford made his Defence in substance as followeth That he is to give his Defence to the 26th Article the first part whereof was That he should Counsel and Approve two dangerous and wicked Projects First To seize on the Bullion and money in the mint Secondly To debase the Coyn with mixture of Brass That he hath in his Answer denied either the Counselling or the approving of these Projects as they call them and for that part which indeed would be the principal thing in the Charge if it were proved there is no offer of any proof at all that is concerning his Approving Counselling or devising those Projects To this he Answereth It will appear in their own proof he the Defendant did not Counsel the seising of the money for Mr. Edwards acknowledges when they came to acquaint him with the business he professed he knew nothing of it Nor did he being then sick and unfit for this matter And Mr. Skinner sayes He my Lord of Strafford told them That he knew nothing of the seizure of that money So that there is no Proof against him and the Proof brought Acquits him as to that For the debasing of the Coyn Mr. Palmer sayes That he and the rest of the Officers giving Reasons against it he my Lord of Strafford gave it over He remembers very well there was some speech about the Copper Coyn and that Information was to be given what Queen Elizabeth had done in
the like case And he remembers too that it was given over Also that he was one of the Committee to take Information of the Reasons for it and against it and to report and further then that he medled not with it For the rest of the Charge in telling the City They dealt undutifully with His Majesty c. he conceives the Proofs are full in the Point and fuller then any thing of the Charge since the Trial began And it is true he did not at that time think the City had dealt thankfully with His Majesty they having received so many Favours from him and He residing amongst them should refuse the Loane of 100000 l. on good security given and it might very well be as he thinks he did at that time he might say so And if he spake it out of overmuch sence towards His Majesty and His Service surely he doth not conceive it to be any great Crime to say They dealt undutifully with the King But whatsoever it was he is sure he is ready to amend it and to be of another Opinion For he remembers very well and he thinks many of their Lordships will call it to mind that when upon the return of diverse Noble Persons to York he understood that the City of London had lent the King 200000 l. he then said That he was glad for his part extreamly glad of it and all that was past formerly was now fully satisfied as to him and he should be ready to serve them with his Life for it as long as he lived And this he spake in the Great Council of the Peers at York and that he would be as ready to serve the City of London as any poor Gentleman in the Kingdom and so he sayes again he will and if at that time or other time he was so sensible of the Service of His Master as not to think it well done of them to refuse so small a Curtesie and exprest something that might have been spared Men oftentimes offend with the Tongue when they offend not with the heart And he hopes this can be no such Bloody Crime it arguing him rather to be innocent from doing any great evil when words are so often charged on him rather than doing But there are some things not proved that perhaps will be mentioned because they be singly spoken of but not doubly proved The next Charge is a Letter that he should shew about the King of France appointing Officers to take Accompts and to view mens Books and that it might be an Example for us here Which words he doth absolutely deny He never spake them He never thought them And Mr. Palmer only speaks it But sayes the very words he cannot express and if he cannot the Defendant appeales to their Lordships whether he should be Condemned for words which cannot be exprest and he hopes it will be of very little force with their Lordships when it is so uncertainly delivered But however it is a single Testimony none of the other Witnesses testifying the words as he conceives Sir William Parkhurst denies expresly that he heard them Mr. Gogan is a single Testimony in saying what my Lord of Strafford should say to my Lord Cottington That they might be worthy of his Lordships consideration And Sir William Parkhurst denies that he heard them But it will be necessary for him to let their Lordships know clearly and plainly what this great matter was concerning the French Letter for he trusts my Lord Cottington would remember it and my Lord Treasurer too if need were but this is no way in his Charge and therefore he shall not insist in the proof of it His Lordship having the honor to be of the Foraign Committee my Lord of Leicester was pleased to send weekly Letters to divers of their Lordships and among the rest he received one being in the nature of a Gazette In which Letter nothing was mentioned of Commissaries of Horse but it was mentioned that the Cardinal had given direction to certain Commissioners to go into the Houses of divers Merchants not over the Kingdom but at Paris and Inform themselves by their Books of Accompt what Estates they had that they might demand Supply This Letter he sayes he Read with this Clause You may see what is done in other places but God be thanked you have so pious and gracious a King that he thinks on none of these things he read it to them as a Gazette a foolish idle Letter and no more My Lord Cottington being Interrogated touching the Letter c. He professes that he knew nothing of such a Letter but because he would remember it he spake with Sir William Parkhurst and Mr. Palmer and some others and they told him that when my Lord was Reading the Letter he was Writing in another Room and asking Why it was said he was present they told him then That they thought Gogan had said so when there was no such matter For he having seen his name in the Printed Book he hath been careful to inform himself what kind of Letter it was for he profest to their Lordships he remembred not the Letter nor the discourse and asking Sir William Parkhurst and the rest why it was said such words were spoken to him by my Lord of Strafford they say they had been examined upon it and had denyed it For Sir Ralph Freeman's Deposition that my Lord of Strafford should say That if the poor men that work on the Money should refuse to work they might be sent to the House of Correction That he conceives he might say without offence but it is no part of his Charge My Lord Cottington being asked on Mr. Glyns motion whether he had heard of such a Letter He professed to his remembrance he never heard of the Letter Whence Mr. Maynard inferred there be others that speak to that therefore there may be something that is not remembred And so my Lord of Strafford concluded that he had told their Lordships clearly and plainly what is proved what the things were and as they were and he trusts nothing is in his Actions but such as may admit of a noble and favourable construction and so there is no more for him to Answer to this Article but only to say That under the favour of these Gentlemen nothing can incline one way or other to be an accusation of High-Treason To which Mr. Maynard made a Reply in substance as followeth That he should not hold their Lordships long in Reply to this My Lord denies the Counselling and Approving the matter of seizing the Mynt and debasing the Coyn and a Witness produced sayes My Lord knew nothing of it that they can press no farther but that is no justification to my Lord Strafford to retort such words concerning the Great City of this Kingdom on so small an occasion as their desire to have their Money discharged It was a grievous thing and is not to be slighted
that their Estates being beyond Sea my Lord of Strafford should make so little of it But my Lord Answers nothing to these words That the City of London was more ready to help the Rebels than to help the King and he doth well not to do it for whosoever doth help a Rebel is of the same condition with the Rebel For the matter of the Letter it is of no great importance whether it be so or no But the matter is What Speeches were used My Lord sayes the Speeches are proved by only one witness But the truth is one Witness positively swears one part and another the other part but both agree That my Lord Cottington was there though Sir William Parkhurst doth not remember it Mr. Whitlock added That my Lord of Strafford is pleased to mention a Letter from an Honouable person my Lord of Leicester and now he observes it was a Gazette and no Letter at all from my Lord of Leicester But my Lord of Strafford desired he might not be mistaken he being very tender to have it laid on him that he should in any thing speak untruth or contradict himself Their Lordships know the Letters sent familiarly every week from my Lord of Leicesters Secretary as News to the forreign Committee are only in the nature of a Gazette and so he intended to open it Mr. Strowd added there is something in the Tract of this Article that sticks near to me and I cannot let it pass Whereas my Lord sayes Words are only laid to his Charge which argues his innocency in Fact in that he hath been sparing in doing whatsoever his Language is First The Laws are clear that words may be Treason and to every mans reason it sounds thus far That words in consequence may go beyond some actions and words of the highest nature he hath used all trenching deeper on us than some Acts might have done to counsel His Majesty in things of that consequence it touches not only on the safety of His Majesties Crown but also on the Liberty of his People and may go beyond force for if my Lord of Strafford had brought in his 8000 Irish by force we might have withstood them by force But when he goes to the Ear of a pious Prince and insinuates that we know not of and brings a desolation on a Kingdom who shall repell such Language when force may repell Forces And surely had he plotted and devised against His Majesty by any one which God forbid he should or that His Majesty should be in that danger the pretence of a Prince might have daunted a Traitor that he could not have done the work yet had he done it which God forbid a Prince may dye with fair reputation to posterity but when he shall inspire a Prince in his ear and provoke tyrannical Carriage to His Subjects he may abuse a good Prince but how he may leave him to posterity I leave to your Lordships But my Lord stays not singly in Counsel and Advice but something was done upon it I appeal to your Lordships when proof shall be brought in the case and First consider the misery that England is now in what could have been done more to have made us miserable but absolute desolation The Aldermen were committed that very day and though it cannot be proved he gave the immediate Counsel yet he gave the Counsel that hath been proved and that day four of them were committed and this the Aldermen are ready to prove Sir Henry Garaway Interrogated Whether any of the Aldermen were committed He Answered That he shall not need to Answer that for my Lord will confess it there were four Aldermen committed Alderman Rainston Alderman Somes Alderman Geere Alderman Atkins and it was the same day they were there to give an account of the able Men and the loan of 100000 l. Their Answer not giving satisfaction they were committed the same day to several prisons by what Order or Direction he knows not So Mr. Glyn desired their Lordships to observe the words proved against him That no good will be done on them till they were laid by the heels which my Lord sayes produced no effect yet that very day four were laid by the heels and it rests upon their Lordships Judgements by whose advice And Mr. Strowde concluded That my Lord of Straffords Words and Actions Agree in this Kingdom and the miseries of this Kingdom do agree with his Words and Actions And so the 26th Article was concluded THE Seven and Twentieth Article The Charge 26 THat in or about the month of August last he was made Lieutenant-General of all His Majesties â—orces in the North prepared against the Scots and being at York did then in the month of September by his own authority and without any lawful Warrant impose a Tax on His Majesties Subjects in the County of York of eight pence per diem for maintainance of every Soldier of the Trained-bands of that County which sums of Money he caused to be levied by force And to the end to compel His Majesties Subjects out of fear and terror to yield to the payment of the same he did Declare that he would commit them that refused the payment thereof and the Soldiers should be satisfied out of their Estates and they that refused it were in very little better condition than of High Treason MR. Maynard proceeded to the 27 the Article That the Earl of Strafford imposed a Tax on His Majesties Subjects in the County of York of 8 d. per diem for the maintainance of every Soldier of the Trained Band of that County causing it to be levied by force Threatening them that refused with Commitment and that they that did not pay the Soldiers should be satisfied out of their Goods and they were in little better case than the case of High Treason that refused to pay The state of their proofs will stand thus There were three Levies First a months Contribution and that was for the general The Second a Contribution for a fornight and that was for two particular Regiments or Companies A Third for a month more so it was for ten weeks in the whole My Lord of Strafford pretends two things in his Answer for his excuse First That it was upon a Petition from the Country To that we say this The Country did petition His Majesty offering their endeavour in that Petition they likewise desire a Parliament for redress of grievances with which Petition some principal Gentlemen of the Countrey attended my Lord of Strafford desiring his assistance He likes well the clause concerning the Petitioners endeavours but not that touching the Parliament and therefore he would not deliver it though he said it would fall out there would be a Parliament His Majesty having resolved it but he likes not that they should Petition it They refusing to retract from their Petition he doth in the name of some of his Lordships Friends and Dependants
by themselves and drew this Petition for my Lord being Lord Lieutenant-General and a Privy-Counsellor they should not have been so free to deliver their opinions though he the Examinant thinks some of them should have been free enough They drew the Petition and he thinks there was 100 hands to it and being delivered to my Lord-Lieutenant he took exception because it concluded with desire of a Parliament and told them if they would leave out that Clause he would deliver it if not he would not and after long discourse wherein he shewed much Eloquence most of them continued their resolution to stand to that Petition and many went out of Town and left it without making question but it should be delivered to His Majesty My Lord after put it to Vote whereof there were many Papists and on the Vote delivered an Answer what he the Examinant doth not know for he staid behind to draw another Petition and an humble protestation to His Majesty that this Petition was the Answer of the Countrey Lord Wharton being Sworn and Examined to the point of the Petition His Lordship Answered That this was unexpected to him for he heard not of it from the Committee till he came into the place but he can perfectly speak to it having a little Interest in it himself being one of them who subscribed it That on Saturday in the afternoon being appointed to attend my Lord of Strafford touching this business for most of the Gentlemen desiring to be at home on a suddain went out of Town and desired him with some others to deliver this Petition to my Lord by his own hand to be delivered to the King he did so and accordingly desired my Lord to deliver it in the name of the Gentlemen that had set their Hands to it many being likewise with him on that occasion That my Lord of Strafford took exception to the clause for a Parliament and said That if they would put that out he would joyn in the rest of the Petition Divers of the Gentlemen that were there there being not many that had set their hands would not goe back from that which with so much Humility and Reason they thought was desired thereupon my Lord would not deliver it and went to the King But they that thought not fit to have the Petition altered thought not fit to go with him to the King and what he said he the Examinant knows not Sir William Pennyman being Sworn and Interrogated Whether a Warrant now shewed him was not under His Hand and Seal He confessed it was his Hand and Seal And that being desired to be read Sir William Pennyman offered to their Lordships that he presumes he comes to be a Witness against my Lord of Strafford not himself and referred it to their Lordships whether he should answer any thing against himself this having an oblique aspect on himself but if their Lordships will require him he will submit But Mr. Maynard upon opening of the matter shewing that they urge it only as grounded on my Lord of Strafford's Command for levying of Moneys It was read being to this effect To the Constable of Sergeant-Major Yaworthe's Company WHereas the Lord-Lieutenant-General of His Majesties Army by His Majesties Command sent forth Warrants to the Constable of this Weapontake of Longborough for Collecting and Paying the Soldiers of my Regiment Six weeks pay to be delivered from my hands which is not yet received from c. These are therefore once more in His Majesties Name to Will and Require you forthwith to pay or cause to be paid to the said Sergeant-Major the several Rates and Proportions both of the First and Second Contribution Assessed on your-Town c. And if any person or persons shall refuse so to do you are instantly on receit hereof to bring him or them c. to serve in their own persons for the defence of this County as the necessity of this Cause requires And hereof c. fail not 19 Octob. 1640. Sir William Pennyman being Asked Whether the Warrant was grounded on a former Command of my Lord of Strafford He Answered That he cannot directly speak to that he will not charge his memory with it for he thinks the first Warrant was issued by the Vice-President and whether any was issued by my Lord of Straffords direction he cannot Answer precisely but he conceives there was and he hath a confused notion in his head but he cannot particularly and distinctly remember it Being Asked Whether he knew any Deputy-Lieutenants were drawn to issue a Warrant to levy money on the Country on this ground that the Lords of the Great Council had consented to it He Answered That he conceives they were summoned thither together and on this occasion when the Trayned-Bands were disbanded it was thought fit the Frontier-Regiments viz. his the Examinants and Sir Thomas Danbies should be continued but he the Examinant Conceiving it unreasonable and unequal that they should continue at their own Charge and the rest not tributary to them and at least they not being ordered to march successively to relieve them he the Examinant complained thereof to my Lord of Strafford they were thereupon sent for and an Order was made to which he the Examinant refers himself Being asked Whether it was not to this effect Whether those that would not pay their Money should serve in Person He Answered Sure he believes it was for his Warrant is a relative Warrant to that other Being Asked On what Grounds the Deputy Lieutenants were induced to make such an Order and Whether it was not on an Allegation that the Lords of the Great Council had Consented or Commanded it should be done He Answered That he presumes it is matter of Record if a man may say so for the Warrant will speak But he presumes there was some such thing spoken by my Lord of Strafford that he had acquainted His Majesty with it or the Greatest Counsel or to that effect and that induced them to put that into the Preamble of the Order Being prest to speak his knowledge He Answered That truely he verily believes it was so Being prest again to speak his knowledge positively He Answered That he doth very Confidently and assuredly believe it is so but he doth not particularly remember it for it is a great while since he saw that Warrant but it is matter of Record and if he sees a Copy of the Warrant he shall let their Lordships know whether it be a true Copy Being prest further to Answer Upon what ground it was made And whether upon an Allegation of a Consent of the Lords of the great Council He Answered That he cannot further Answer than before he doth very confidently believe it to be so for he doth remember my Lord of Strafford told them he had acquainted the Kings Majesty or the Lords of the Great Council which induced them to put them into the preamble of the Order Being yet urged to
answer Categorically He Answered That he verily believes my Lord did so and that under favour reaches almost to a knowledge the thing is so notorious that the thing it self may be known Being required to speak his knowledge Whether my Lord of Strafford told them the Lords had Commanded or Consented to it He Answered When that was spoken of he was out of the Room and it was drawn by Mr. Rockley a Deputy Lieutenant but Mr. Rockley told him my Lord did say so Being yet again prest to a positive Answer Mr. Maynard observing to their Lordships That when a Gentleman is brought upon his Oath in a Cause of this Consequence this Dalliance is not to be admitted He Answered That he Answer'd as clearly as can be And the Gentlemen will not press him beyond his knowledge He sayes he doth confidently believe it but under favour he was not at that time in the Room but Mr. Rockley told him My Lord of Strafford had acquainted the King and the Great Council Mr. Maynard observing That now he speaks less then before and desired he might be Interrogated Whether at that time or at any other time my Lord of Strafford told him The Lords of the Great Council had assented to this Levy Which being proposed He Answered He doth confidently believe my Lord did it It may be proved by a great many others but he is confident of this as of any thing in the World that my Lord did tell them when they went to draw the Warrant That my Lord had acquainted the Lords of the Great Council and His Majesty and that he did it by their Consent and therefore they put it into the Preamble of their Order Sir Hen. Griffin Sworn and Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford said The Lords of the Great Council had consented to the levying of Money He Answered He heard my Lord say so indeed or else they had not set their hands to the Order that he had direction from the Great Council to levy Money for Sir William Pennyman and Sir Tho. Danbies Regiments Being Interrogated In what manner the Money was to be Levyed He Answered That he doth not know in what manner Being Asked on my Lord of Clares Motion What he meant by this Direction He Answered That there was an Order made from all them that were Deputy-Lieutenants and my Lord of Strafford as one and this is the Order concerning the levying of Money for the two Regiments Being Asked on Mr. Glyns Motion Whether my Lord of Strafford had not directed the money to be levied in manner as is exprest in the Order He Answered That to his best Remembrance my Lord did say so he must confess Being Asked Whether in case any refused to pay this money they were not to be compelled to serve in person He Answered There was such a Clause in the Order to his best Remembrance Mr. Robert Strickland Sworn and Interrogated Whether my Lord of Strafford said The Great Council had directed Warrants should be issued for the levying of Money He Answered Yes It cannot be deny'd He the Examinant gave a Copy of that Order when the last Commissioners were at Rippon and he saw a Gentleman even now behind him that had a Copy of the Order and Warrant and it is declared that it was done by the Great Council of the Peers Sir Iohn Burroughes Sworn and Interrogated Whether he knew of any such VVarrant or Order for levying money for those two Regiments He humbly intreated That he might have their Lordships direction before he Answered the Question for their Lordships know very well that by His Majesties Command he was appointed to be Clerk or Register of the Great Council Moreover he conceives That by his duty all Orders and Resolutions of the House especially those that concerned third Parties without asking leave he was to deliver to the parties if they required them But for such Debates and Arguments as were used in the Great Council to and again between their Lordships he humbly intreated their Lordships Direction VVhether he should publish any thing of them or no And upon their Lordships Order he shall clearly and with all integrity deliver the truth Being permitted by their Lordships to speak to the Questions propounded He proceeded and said That he hath very good cause to remember that upon the 20th of October he went to my Lords Commissioners for the Scotch Treaty at Ripon and upon that day there were two prime Gentlemen of those parts that came and attended the Lords he thinks about business of their own and he supposes only to tender their service to their Lordships That amongst some other Discourses betwixt the Lords and them they mentioned some such Order as this was concerning the relieving of the two Regiments that were for the Guard of Richmondshire and some other of those parts made as they said by the Great Council of the Peers and thereupon that themselves my Lord of Strafford and the rest of the Deputy-Lieutenants had granted out VVarrants for the Assessing of Money for the relieving of those Regiments Those that heard it were startled at the Order being said to be an Order of the Great Council and commanded him the Examinant to inform them VVhether he knew of any such Order he told them He remembers not any such Order and was confident he never drew up any because he never heard any mention of those two Regiments in the Great Council Their Lordships asking him whether he was sure of it he told their Lordships he would look on his Notes and faithfully inform them how the case stood he did so and came back to their Lordships and told them he found nothing in his Notes of these Regiments and while he was there he was confident no Order was drawn up It is true he told their Lordships some Order might be drawn up when he was absent for he was first at Ripon and at York he was oftentimes employed in the Committee to write Letters and Orders and what was done in his absence he could give no answer to but confident he was no Order was made before the 20th of October by him or in his hearing or knowledge Hereupon the Lords desired those two Gentlemen to give them Copies of the Warrants they had sent out And that he the Examinant should take their Testimony which he did this was the Twentieth or Twenty seventh of October which was the last day of the Great Council of the Peers My Lord of Strafford in Council then did take notice that some such thing had been done at Ripon and then said to my Lord that he did conceive he had the Kings Order and their Lordships Approbation for the issuing out of this VVarrant But since he conceived their Lordships disliked it he had taken Copies of it he was very willing to withdraw these Warrants And on Debate there was nothing more done For his part he never drew up an Order nor
was he commanded to draw it up Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords Motion Whether on that last day His Majesty was not pleased to say in the Council That what the Earl of Strafford did in that Affair was with His consent He Answered It is true He did give his consent to it and commanded him to go on with it when he the Earl of Strafford desired if any thing were amiss in it he might call back his Warrant again and that he might easily do it and no hurt would come of it and whether His Majesty did thereupon affirm that my Lord of Strafford had formerly acquainted Him with it and He Commanded him to go on He Answered That it is very true My Lord Deputy appealed to the King VVhether he had not His Majesties Approbation and Order for it and the King said He did acquaint Him with it before the Lords But not to his Knowledge that He commanded him to proceed Being Asked on my Lord of Essex motion VVhether some of the Lords did not take exception at the VVarrant and likewise thought fit it should be called in again He Answered That the Vote generally of the Lords was against the VVarrant but he remembers not any thing said for the recalling of it but they absolutely declined the making of any such VVarrant Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion VVhether it was Voted or no He Answered That it was spoken to by several of my Lords but all declined it Being Asked VVhether he had the VVarrant or a true Copy of it He Answered He hath a Copy of that which was delivered him by the two Gentlemen that were then at Ripon and their hands are to it to attest it and he saw them set their hands to it himself Being bid to name the two Gentlemen He said They were Mr. Robert Strickland and Mr. Mallard VVho did affirm That to the best of their remembrance this is a true Copy of the VVarrant sent out to the several Divisions To prove Execution by force Mr. Henry Cholmeley Interrogated What he heard the Earl of Strafford say touching the Vice-Presidents issuing of Warrants He Answered That shortly after my Lord of Straffords coming to York in the Presence-Chamber at York he the Examinant among some other Gentlemen were summoned to be there where my Lord of Strafford speaking of the Trained-Bands occasion was offered by another that was there How the private or common-men should be maintained My Lord of Strafford Answered It had been always the Custom that the private men should serve themselves in person or maintain the charge of them that served for them and the common mens charge is borne by the several Constables in the Towns where they live And he said to His Majesty Sir if you please Mr. Vice-President may or shall the Examinant knows not which send out Warrants to that purpose but whether he sent out any or no he cannot tell William Dowsen Sworn and Interrogated How he hath known those moneys for the Trained-Bands levyed He Answered His Answer being commanded by the Clark the Witnesses having a low voice That Mr. Yaworth Sergeant-Major to Sir William Pennyman came with Four Musketiers to the Lordship of Egton and sent them for Assessors and when the Assessors came they were importuned to have them Assess for they had been unwilling to Assess and if they would not they should answer it before my Lord General and then they consented to Assess and he shewed a Warrant from Sir William Pennyman and gave it to the Constable for the Collection of the Money Being Asked VVhether he threatned That he should serve in person if he did not pay He Answered Yes by Serjeant-Major Yaworth and so he served under Sir William Pennymans Regiment Being Asked on my Lord of Straffords motion VVhether he saw any VVarrant of his He Answered No. Being Asked VVhether the Four Musketiers did not go along with the Constable from place to place to levy the money He Answered Two Musketiers went with every Constable to levy it William Pierson Sworn and Interrogated VVhether Four Musketiers or Soldiers did not come to Collect this Money He Answered Yes And he saw them in the Town go altogether in with the Constables but in the Deales or outsides there went but with each Constable one The Lordship consists of Long Deales distant one from another 12 score and in those out-places one went with a Constable but in the Town all four went Being Interrogated By what VVarrant He Answered That he did see a VVarrant that was receiv'd from Captain Yaiworth under Sir William Pennymans hand and he saw his name at it Sir William Ingram Sworn and Interrogated VVhat he hath heard my Lord of Strafford say touching this business of levying Money and What condition they were in that deny'd to pay it He Answered That soon after the Trained-Bands were Commanded to be drawn forth he found the opportunity and did move my Lord of Strafford acquainting him what Case Soldiers were in For he the Examinant had been with the Soldiers and found them willing to March if they might know how to be maintained the Masters had refused to pay the private men and the Constables said the Parishes were so poor that they could not collect any more money and desired his Lordship would be pleased before they were drawn forth he might know how they should be maintained And his Lordship gave him this Answer That the private men must maintain their Soldiers after the rate of 8 d. a day so long as they were forth else he would Commit them and order should be taken the Soldiers should be maintained after 8 d. a day out of their Estates And commanded him the Examinant to speak to the Constables that Assessments might be made for the maintenance of the Common Army and if any did refuse to pay their parts of an Assessment they should be likewise committed to Prison and lie there and the Common Soldiers should be maintained after the rate of 8 d. a day and he would have men know that refusing to pay such Contribution they were in little better condition than guilty of High-Treason Sir Harry Griffin being Interrogated VVhether my Lord of Strafford sent not Messengers to them that refused to pay this Money Assessed He Answered That indeed he doth not know of any thing concerning the two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Thomas Danby but for his own he can speak That about the latter end of August last he was commanded by the Sergeant Mayor-General of the Trained-Bands to advance his Regiment and assoon as they were advanced there issued forth assessments for a whole Monthes pay for his whole Regiment and on this Warrant he received 300 l. or thereabouts but more they would not nor could not pay whereupon he went to my Lord of Strafford and told him He could not keep his Companies together without Money and my Lord bid him go
back to his Regiment and he would take a Course and my Lord did grant forth his Warrant and on that was pleased to send a Messenger as he thinks to the Constable to whom it was directed and the Messengers went from Constable to Constable and all was paid Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion whether it were paid voluntarily He Answered They were for ought he knows Sir Hugh Cholmley being Interrogated on Mr. Maynards motion of what Quality those persons were that staid with my Lord of Strafford and joyned in the latter Petition and Whether many of them were not Recusants He Answered That there were some of them Gentlemen of very good Quality a few that had retracted their hands from the Petition some 7 or 8 and he doth not know whether there were not many Papists but they took a Note of four or six and twenty to his best remembrance that the Country had a Character on them to be Papists and Men affected that way but he knows not whether they were Convicted or no. And so Mr. Maynard said they should leave this Article a while in expectation of my Lord of Straffords Answer and then they should recollect their proofs in the mean time they supposed every particular was proved My Lord of Strafford after some time granted him to recollect his Notes made his Defence in substance as follows And First he desired leave to read the Charge and their Lordships should find how little of the matter opened before them this day was therein contained and so he is not accountable for it He read the 27th Article That in or about the moneth of August last c. His Lordship craved liberty to dissent from that worthy Gentleman that spoke last who in his opinion is very much mistaken who was pleased to say That all was fully proved for he conceives little or nothing is proved as to him That he might give their Lordships the clear satisfaction he desired to go on in their own Order and as the Proofs were offered he shall offer his Answers The First thing spoken of is a Petition drawn up by certain Gentlemen whereby they did offer a months pay to the Trained-Bands which Petition was shewed the Defendant and was refused by him to be delivered and the Reason assigned is because in the latter part there is contained a Petition for calling of a Parliament and that is laid to him as a Crime but where it is he doth not find and when he doth he shall answer and acknowledge it He acknowledged there was such a Petition and that it was shewed to him and having not been acquainted with it formerly he remembers very well he desired to be excused from medling with it for having the Honor at that time to be the Kings Lieutenant of the County besides that he was Lieutenant-General of the Army and having some poor share there though not so great as other men he thought it very strange that when the King had appointed them on Tuesday to meet together and advise how his service might be complyed with they should at a private meeting after Supper resolve of this Petition and never make him so much as acquainted with it And where he was made so great a stranger in the beginning of the business he appeals to their Lordships whether he had reason to be over officious to serve them in the conclusion He acknowledges the Petition was delivered him and on the reading of it when he heard that clause of moving the King for a Parliament he disadvised it and desired to be excused concerning it not so fitting at that time nor for them on such an occasion and therefore it might be left out or a course taken to deliver it by some other hand than his and he trusts it is no offence for which he is any way punishable to reserve that Christian Liberty in his own opinion that he sees cause for when it may be done without breach of any Law penal or good manners his Liberty being as free then to himself as to them But it was not out of any unwillingness the Parliament should be called upon which they should pinch him and make their Lordships and the Gentlemen think him averse from Parliaments for he did tell them at that time he was confident there would be a Parliament and that on the coming together of the Great Council of the Peers he did conceive His Majesty would be pleased to call a Parliament and that their Petition would neither further nor hinder it and therefore it might be forborn and the King left in his Acts of Grace to his People that he might have all the Honor of it to himself and that it should rise out of his Own Goodness and Royal Breast not as advised to it on the desire of any body else and therefore he thought not fit that that should be put into the Petition not out of a desire to avoid Parliaments for it is well enough known and if need were he could justify himself in it that no poor servant the King had was more forward nor ready nor willing to advise the calling of this Parliament than he was but he shall ever conceive it fit in this case to reserve the Honor of the Kings Grace and Favour as much as may be to himself and not direct it to any other hand whatsoever and did then as always as much as he could apply the thanks of the People to the King his Master and assume nothing to himself But this he conceives no crime and therefore he shall not need to trouble their Lordships with proof of it there being 20 Gentlemen in the room he dares say that will justifie him in this particular They come then and speak of a second message to have been delivered by him to His Majesty at York hereby he is charged to have imposed a Tax without lawful Warrant he humbly affirms and trusts he shall manifestly prove it that the thing was yielded to by their own universal Assent and that it was levied by their own voluntary Will and that there was nothing of force from the beginning to the ending of the business for if he had dealt in that manner he had been much to blame tho as he stood then qualified he thinks himself not punishable for it On Debate of the business not above three or four dissented tho there were Two hundred present they were perswaded and convinced it was just and necessary to contribute and most of them that did dissent have been examined before their Lordships but they did absolutely and totally lay aside their Petition and gave him Commission only in words to signify to His Majesty that they were most willing and ready to contribute the pay of a Month for maintainance of the Trained-Bands and that he did faithfully deliver And whereas it is said they are Papists he shall name persons as free from that Tax as any men in the
Shire who did give their consent and he named divers of them To prove that he did nothing by force but by unanimous consent of all Sir Paul Neal was first called and being Interrogated Whether the Petition Signed by the Lord Wharton and the rest was not by the major of the Gentlemen there declined and laid aside He Answered That he was amongst divers others present at this meeting in the Common-Hall and on the first coming thither this Petition was presented by my Lord Wharton in the name of the Gentlemen that had subscribed it on the reading of the Petition my Lord of Strafford did conceive that the clause concerning the desire of a Parliament was in it self superfluous because the King had declared his intention to have one if at the meeting of their Lordships at York it should be desired and therefore he desired the clause might be put out and another Petition presented to the effect of the former only the last clause omitted and that might be verbally presented by some such man as the major part of the company should choose and on a long debate it was concluded to the best of his remembrance by Vote and the whole Vote of the company went it should be delivered by my Lord of Strafford according to the substance of the Petition the last clause left out and to the negative part there were some four or five he dares confidently swear not above halfe a score Being asked what number there was of the company that were willing to wave the Petition He Answered That the Hall was very full he cannot give account of a certain number nor knew the subscription of the Petition for till now he remembers not that ever he heard the particular names read but there was he thinks 200 Gentlemen of several ranks Being asked whether it was not the voluntary consent of them all that a months entertainment should be allowed the Trained Bands He Answered That he conceives the consent was given no fuller nor larger but just the same as in the Petition saving that one clause Which Mr. Maynard observed went not further than to promise an endeavor Sir Paul Neal being Interrogated whether the Money was not voluntarily paid all over the Countrey for the months entertainment with force or violence He Answered he can give no answer to that having nothing to do in the Countrey as Deputy-Lieutenant or Officer and other than he heard by discourse he cannot speak of his knowledge Being asked on Mr. Glyns motion Whether the major part of them that Signed the Petition did wave it He Answered That he conceives he gave an Answer to that before for he remembers not that till this day he ever knew the names of the Gentlemen that subscribed it but only an attestation that about 100 had subscribed and whether the major part of those were present he doth not know Being asked on my Lord of Straffords motion Whether he did not know divers of them that Signed the Petition declared themselves for the waving of it He Answered He did not know who had Signed it and who not saving only some Gentlemen speaking in the debate did declare that they in particular had Signed it and did recede from it Being asked what he meant when he said that not above halfe a score went to the negative of the Message He Answered That he meant it of them that were in the Hall Sir Edward Osborne was called to be a Witness for my Lord of Strafford but Mr. Maynard excepted against his being examined as being one of them that sent out the Warrant for paying Money on pain of death and as Sir William Pennyman would have declined answering any thing of his own Act as concerning himself so it was desired this Gentleman might not be examined to the justification of himself by saying the Money was levied by consent But Sir Edward alledged to their Lordships That there is particular complaint in the Petion against his Warrant and therefore it was issued long before the Petition presented After some further debate the Examination of him was resolved upon Sir Edward Osborne being Interrogated Whether the major part of them that subscribed the Petition and were present at the second meeting did not decline the Petition He Answered That he cannot say the major part of them that subscribed the Petition did dissent openly in the Hall for he thinks many of them were gone out of Town but he is sure the major part there nay all but about Ten did consent to the leaving out of the clause touching the Parliament and to a Months pay and on that it was humbly moved to my Lord he cannot tell whether by himself the Examinant that my Lord would do them the Honor to represent their ready affections to do the King that service that he would be their Mouth which accordingly his Lordship did and they all attended him when he delivered the Message and he doth not remember there was above 4 or 5 Gentlemen that opened their mouths against this consent not in words what their hearts were he cannot tell Being asked Whether many that had subscribed the Petition did not declare they would not wave it and go the other way He Answered There were some that did indeed but he doth not know how many Sir Edward Robinson in particular and gave his reasons for it Sir Richard Hutton and some others Being asked how many Gentlemen he thinks were present at that meeting He Answered The Hall was very full and there were Gentlemen Freeholders and others to the number of 300 as near as he could imagine Being asked Whether that was not the place and time appointed by the King for the Countrey to meet and Treat about the business He Answered Yes it was so by His Majesties special Command the day before Being asked whether my Lord of Strafford did not go to the Mannor and many Gentlemen with him and delivered their Message to the King faithfully and justly as he had in Commission to do and no otherwise He Answered That according to their desire to his Lordship he went presently to the Mannor and they all attended him but he could not hear the Message delivered the croud was so great Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion whether there was any difference between the Message and Petition but only the leaving out the last clause touching the Parliament He Answered Truly No but the principal things he took notice of was a Months pay Being asked on Mr. Palmers motion of what quality they were that were in the Hall whether not some that came to gaze only and not prosecute the matter of the Petition He Answered That it is impossible for him to see through the bodies of men but there were not many of inferior quality that he knew but had he time to do it they should make a Catalogue of as many Gentlemen and Freeholders as set their Hand to the Petition but he cannot see in
such a room as this whether there be Serving-men or Aprentizes in a croud To which Mr. Maynard answered much less can he hear it Sir William Pennyman Interrogated whether the Petition deliver'd by my Lord Wharton was by the major part of the Gentlemen that met according to the Kings appointment at the place proper for the business declined And whether they did not declare their consent to a Months pay and that my Lord of Strafford should deliver the Message by word of mouth He Answered That the major part did decline the delivery of the Petition and it was done upon a Vote there being some difference of opinion and he thinks truly according to his conjecture there were 200 voices at the least to three or four Happily some others tacitly might be of another opinion but there was to his best remembrance three or four voted against it Being asked whether divers that Signed it did not decline it He Answered That divers that set their Hands to the Petition did retract it whereof he himself was one and divers other Members of the House whom he offered to name if their Lordships required it but that their Lordships did not think fit to direct Being asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not faithfully and rightfully present to His Majesty the Message he was intrusted with He Answered That he was one of them that went with my Lord but was in the same condition with Sir Edward Osborne for the crowd was so great that he could not come to hear Where my Lord of Strafford desired their Lordships to take notice that it was not in a corner when Gentlemen of their Quality could not come near Being asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether there was to be any difference between what was to be delivered to the King and that contained in the Petition the last Clause excepted He Answered That he conceives nothing was to be omitted but only that of the Parliament Being asked on the Lord Whartons motion Whether he and another had not Commission to acquaint my Lord of Strafford from them that had subscribed the Petition that they had a Petition to be deliver'd his Lordship for His Majesty and whether he brought not word back again that they should wait on his Lordship with the Petition on Saturday at One or Two of the clock and at his Lordships own house and whether they did not accordingly wait on him He Answered That he did and they did come and it was purposely that they might most of them goe to the Hall not to make my Lords House a place of his debate Being asked whether he was not directed to acquaint my Lord of Strafford with the Petition and whether he brought back word about the time of attending He Answered It is true he did but he knows not whether he brought it on a Message from my Lord. Being urged to Answer that positively Whether he brought it as a Message from my Lord. He Answered That it may very well be he did he thinks he did but he added in effect his desire was to know what the Question tended to Mr. Maynard thereupon desired of their Lordships that a Witness at the Bar might not demand the meaning of a Question before he answers to the truth of it And Mr. Glyn observed that my Lord of Strafford had several times besought he might go on quietly with his Evidence and they hope their Lordships will justify them that they have behaved themselves as men intrusted by the House of Commons and that their Lordships will not suffer this Language to be used They must demand Justice And Mr. Maynard added that they desire only that the Witness may readily answer to the Question propounded and not advise what may be the consequence or enquire the intention of them for they are to speak only the truth But my Lord of Strafford conceived it a very fitting Question for the Witness to desire to understand the Question before he answers it and that 's all he doth as he conceives Being required to answer positively whether he brought that Message from my Lord of Strafford touching the time of delivering the Petiton He Answered That he did My Lord of Strafford here offered to their Lordships that he conceives this Question not material to him he was then extream sick and in his sick Bed when he should send this Message and that truly he was never in such height of incivility towards any man alive of a far meaner Quality than my Lord Wharton as to send them word they should attend him at such an hour he knows what belongs to my Lord Wharton and what to himself much better than to send for or expect any attendance from his Lordship Sir William Savill being Interrogated whether the Petition Signed as aforesaid was not absolutely by the major part of them in the Hall declined and voted that it should not be delivered He Answered That he was there and by the major part of the Gentlemen present it was delivered and consented that my Lord should deliver the substance of the Petition to the King by word of mouth saving the last Clause concerning the Parliament Being asked Whether there were not divers that Signed it who did afterwards retract it And whether himself did not He Answered there were and that he himself Signed the former Petition and then it came to be disputed before them whether they should retract it or no he was against the retracting of it and many delivered Votes against it under 10 he believes and for his own part he said nothing to it but it was carried so clearly by the opinion of them present that he went along with a great number of Gentlemen that went with my Lord to the King and he heard my Lord faithfully deliver the substance of the Petition in every thing and with more advantage to them than the Petition was drawn except the business of the Parliament Being asked whether part of it was not the consent to a months pay of the Trained Bands He Answered That he verily believes it was the intention of them all that a months pay should be paid to the Soldiers of the Countrey and the months pay was paid Being asked Whether it was not willingly and voluntarily paid in every place without constraint to his knowledge He Answered That in that part where he lived no body denyed whatsoever was asked so there was no pressing of any body to pay a penny nor complaint of any body for want of Money Sir William Pennyman being asked to the said last point He Answered That it was with a agreat deal of alacrity and cherfulness and he heard no man repine at it then nor since Sir Edward Osborne Interrogated to that Point Answered He never knew of any forcible course to make men pay it but it was freely paid Sir William Savill being Interrogated How many of
them that set their hands to the Petition did Vote against it He Answered That there were of them that set their hands to the Petition 10 who did vote the retraction of it and he named Sir Francis Worteley Sir Thomas Danby Sir George Wentworth of Wolley as he thinks and Sir Edward Rhodes Sir Edward Rhodes Interrogated Whether the Country did intrust my Lord of Strafford to deliver a Message to His Majesty declaring their consent to a Moneths pay c. He Answer'd That after long debate Whether the Petition should be presented or no it was by plurality of voices declined and waved and it was moved to my Lord that he should present the Requests of the Gentlemen then met or the plurality of them to His Majesty to this purpose That having demanded two Moneths pay the Gentlemen of the Country made that request to my Lord humbly to beseech His Majesty to accept of one Moneths pay which his Lordship did and His Majesty was graciously pleased to accept of it having formerly given them encouragement for the abatement of 4000 men of the Trained Bands after those Troubles were past and if any Gentleman suffered in that Service there should be no benefit taken of his Wardship and when my Lord presented the desire of the Gentlemen to His Majesty He was pleased in stead of taking of 4000 to promise to reduce the Trained-Bands to 6000. Being Asked what number of Gentlemen were in the Hall and Whether that was not the place appointed for the County to Consult about the business He Answered That he thinks that there was 300 at the least of the one and the other and for the place and time it was both the place and time and that was an Exception my Lord of Strafford took but he was not fairly dealt withal that in regard His Majesty gave direction that at such a time and such a place my Lord President by that name His Majesty was pleased to call him and the Gentlemen of the Countrey should consider the business my Lord thought much a Petition should be drawn without his Consent and that the business should be Concluded before the time and from the place of debate Being Asked How many dissented from this Court He Answered He thinks not above 20 if there were so many Being Asked Whether diverse that signed the Petition did not retract it and amongst the rest himself He Answered Diverse did retract it and himself gave his voice for the waving of it but he cannot say he retracted it for his hand was not to the Petition Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford had not Commission from the County to offer a full moneths pay of the Trained-Bands He Answered It was the desire of the Country That his Lordship would be pleased to entreat His Majesty to accept of a moneths pay being desired by the King Being Asked Whether they were not willing to pay it in that part of the Country where he lives He Answered That where he served as Deputy-Lieutenant he knows not of one man that Complained or shew'd unwillingness or any difference but only in the proportion between man and man Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford did not faithfully relate the Message to the King according to the Commission the Country gave him He Answered That he conceives he did it most faithfully and with great advantage to the Country Sir Tho. Danby being Interrogated to the matter of the Petition and the declining of it the Consenting of a Moneths pay the Cheerfulness in paying of it He Answered That the Petition was delivered That the Money was paid with a great deal of cheerfulness That they were content to come to a Moneths pay That he heard of no man that declared to deny it Being Asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether any other direction was given for the Message besides the Petition the last clause excepted He Answered That one taken off my Lord was to deliver the Substance of the Petition Being Asked on Mr. Maynards motion Whether there were not two Trained-Soldiers hang'd up for Mutyning for want of Pay Mr. Maynard thence observing That if they had been well paid there had been no want of it He Answered That he cannot Answer to that without some prejudice to himself he being question'd for hanging men by Martial-Law Sir George Wentworth of Wolley being Interrogated Whether he was not present at the Hall where the Petition was spoke of and Whether a moneths pay was not consented to He Answered He was present and the Petition was declined by the Major number there was a great number in the Hall and my Lord delivered it accordingly to the King He was present when he presented all the grievances exprest in the Petition and left out only that part concerning the Parliament Being Asked Whether my Lord of Strafford had authority to acquaint the King There should be a Moneths pay He Answered Yes and the place of Debating was the Common-Hall and diverse that signed the former Petition did retract it and himself was one of them Being Asked Whether the Money was not paid willingly by every man without Force and Constraint He Answered That he was a Collonel and it was paid him very well The next thing my Lord of Strafford observed was concerning a Warrant alleadged to be given out by him for levying of a Fortnights pay to the Two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Tho. Danby If in any thing in his Answer he be mistaken he had rather submit it than dispute it and if it please their Lordships to favour him so far he will as near as he can tell every thing that passed and he hopes diverse of their Lordships will remember a great part of it It is very true before this moneth was ended he is sure within it the King Licensed all the Trained-Bands to go home again save the two Regiments one for Richmondshire and the other for Cleaveland which by His Majesties express Command and Council of War were required one to remain at Yaram the other in Richmondshire to preserve them from those of the other side Sir William Pennyman and some others finding that by this means these Regiments continuing in pay fell to be grievous to that part of the Hundred Those two Hundreds or Weapontakes acquainted him the Earl of Strafford with it out of no particular end in the World but that with Equality and Justice in that common misfortune they might all bear the Common Burden Divers of their Lordships being there at Rippon he did humbly present to the King before the Great Council of my Lords at Yorke That he conceived if the whole-Charge of those two Regiments should lie on those two Hundreds it would impoverish and undoe them and therefore he conceived it Justice and Reason that the rest of the County should contribute towards the Charge the benefit being common to all or else they should successively relieve those
Regiments that the burden of all might lie equal on all This was his intention and he hopes it was fair and if not as it ought to be yet it was done with a very good heart and justly intended This he moving at that time His Majesty was pleased to assent to it and lik'd it very well and gave direction he should proceed whereupon he said Then if my Lords approve of it he shall see it done accordingly There were diverse of the Lords then said yes and thereupon he took it for granted that it was their Consent If in this he did mistake of their Lordships he humbly craves their pardon it being far from him to prejudice any man living in that relation and that it was so he thinks a Noble Peer then present viz. my Lord of St. Albanes will remember that diverse on the Motion did say yes and thereupon he took it to be a thing granted And that as my Lord of St. Albanes who being gone home indisposed in his health my Lord of Strafford desired he might reserve himself the benefit of his Examination if he shall see cause though he hopes there will be no need of it After this he understanding that some of their Lordships at Rippon were not satisfied because the Great Council was named for the Author of the Warrant the very last day the Great Council sate at Yorke their Lordships being then come back from Rippon he moved it to the King and gave the same Relation there that he makes here before their Lordships desiring to know their pleasure whether the Warrant should be recalled or no for he could then easily do it Nothing being done upon it Under favour some of their Lordships said The Great Council had no power to levy Money To which he Answered That the Warrant was not to levy Money but that the parties concerned should do their duties themselves or otherwise pay the Money At that time it pleased His Majesty to Command him to go on and after the King had spoken no man spake to the contrary and so the Warrant was not recalled but the Moneys were paid voluntarily no force or constraint being put upon any but they took it as a great benefit that they had that favour as for his part he conceived it was And all himself got by it was That by this means himself and all his Tenants and those that had relation to him came to pay their proportionable shares which otherwise should not have paid a Farthing for they were at a great distance in the West-riding and they paid it voluntarily and willingly and when he spake with the Deputy-Lieutenants they all conceived it a benefit and advantage to the Country and it was done with their Consent and a great Ease and a Burden to no man So he acknowledges such a Warrant was granted but nothing of force or constraint Mr. Ro. Strickland Interrogated Whether he conceived not this a great ease to the Country thus to lay the last Fortnights Pay for the two Regiments And stood with his Advise and the Advise of his Lieutenants He Answered That it was very well paid for any thing he knows but the most part of it if it was paid was paid after he came to London But he conceives that if those Regiments must stand or the other March up to their Reliefe it was for the ease of the Country and so he conceived then otherwise he should not have subscribed the Warrant and it had laid heavy on those Divisions where the two Regiments of Sir William Pennyman and Sir Thomas Danby lay who had been undone by it It was done meerly for their Relief without any ill intent whatsoever Sir Edward Osborne Interrogated What he thinks of the Course and Whether he consented not to it as a very great Advantage He Answered The Question being propounded by my Lord Lieutenant to the Deputy Lieutenants Whether two Regiments that lived on the place the Frontier of the North-Riding should be paid by the Countries Contributing or their Charge or the Country to send their Regiments for relief of these two they conceived it was a mighty ease and benefit to the Country to pay the two Regiments and the rest of the Trained-Bands continue For some of them must March 70 miles in way and 70 miles backwards and some of them that lay there never stirred out of their own Towns and therefore they were of opinion It was a marvellous ease Being Asked Whether this Fortnights Pay was voluntarily paid in the Parts where he lived and Whether Force was used He Answered He lived at York altogether and cannot tell But some Officers asking What they should do for the Moneys that are behind for relief of the two Regiments my Lord Answered That which will be willingly and freely paid you must take it that which will not you must let it alone and this was four or five dayes before my Lord of Strafford came from York Sir William Pennyman being Interrogated touching the Convenience and Ease of this Course He Answered That he conceives it very easie and advantagious for else some of the Regiments must have marched 70 miles and it would have taken up a great part of the Charge in the very March My Lord of Strafford added That he would prove it by all the Deputy Lieutenants that were there that no Force or Constraint was put upon any man by him nor is there any proofes to prove Force There be onely two things insisted on One is the Warrant of Sir Edward Osborne that they should pay Money on peril of their Lives He denies that he signed any such Warrant and he is sure there is none under his hand If they have it to show he desires they would shew it if they do not then their Lordships Judgments will acquit him of it The other is Sergeant Major Yowards Warrant and a fellow that tells a Tale of Muskiteers and sayes there was a Warrant of his But he sayes he made no such Warrant he gave no direction for it neither is there any such Warrant shown and he trusts that will acquit him of that too And if there be any thing of Crime in the business it must be that they have been constrained by force to pay the Moneys for if it be voluntarily offered to take or leave this can be no Crime and that there was any force or any Warrant issued by him he denies And by this time he thinks he hath cleared himself against all the matters charged in this Article But he conceives he hath done nothing but that he had Commission and power to do though he never had acquainted the Great Council with it under favour It is true he was alwayes desirous to have the assistance of Men wiser than himself and when there was means or opportunity to gain it he took it But if he had been in Yorkshire all alone having the Power and Commission he then had though
the Warrant is to pay the Money Assessed and if they will not they shall attend so that what is matter of service is turned out of its Course and this is a high abuse of his power which makes that matter of Money which should be matter of Service and by this meanes awes men to pay money The Country on demand of His Majesty did consent to a Moneths pay but my Lord without their consent extends it beyond and pretends an Order to say no more of it when there was no such thing to draw some Deputy-Lieutenants together and when they are drawn to make an Order this must be his Justification of that which is unduely done And this is far from the mitigation of an Offence To do an unjust Act is one thing but it is a great aggravation when it is drawn by pretence of an authority which never was On 27 October the self same day Sir Iohn Burroughs spake of notice taken by their Lordships disclayming the Order for a Warrant And then my Lord acknowledged it to be an Error and it is doubtful whether he would have acknowleged it to be so if it had not been proved so My Lords Commission speaks not of Money and the Statute makes not to this Case it being only That when men are on their Allegiance doing the King faithful service they should not be attainted of High-Treason for doing their duty And the Interpretation his Lordship puts on it is that the duty of the Subject cannot be done to the King without levying money in an unlawful way if the levying of Money or the Imposing of Charges be matter of duty then he gives a Justification of the Charge And whereas he sayes though he had not had command from His Majesty nor Order from the Council of Peers he had power enough to do that which he did it is to be observed that my Lord did not require men first to serve but first to pay money and if they paid not then he Menaces them that they should serve as appears by Sir William Pennymans Warrant and therefore the Warrant might be observed which Sir William Pennyman justifies so unwillingly though in other things he be very forward and for a man to be required to pay Money and if he will not pay it then to perform service is hard for now he comes not on the Kings service but on the displeasure of them that require Money from him and that 's a bad discouragement to them that serve And whereas my Lord sayes nothing is proved or but by single proof their Lordships may be pleased to remember what is proved by Sir Henry Griffin That my Lord said That Money should be levied and he would take a course for it and the same Gentlemen deposes that the Warrant or Order was under my Lord Straffords hand which was the Warrant for them to pay Money It is likewise proved by Sir William Ingram that he said the private men must maintain after 1 d. per day and gave out his Command to the Constables and he would have all men know that those that refused it were in a little better condition than High Treason so that to the first part there is more than a single Testimony The latter part shall be proved by an other Mr. Henry Cholmley being Interrogated What he heard my Lord of Strafford speak concerning Treason in case men pay not that Money or to that effect He Answered That he heard not any thing at all of Treason Cconcerning the not payment Answered That at York at the Mannor-House my Lord of Strafford speaking of the raising of the Trained-Bands said we are all by Law tyed to serve the King in our own persons and if any refuse they are in little better case than Treason he cannot tell whether he said High Treason and they might be severely punished in the Star-Chamhamber And their Lordships may remember Mr. Cholmeleys former Testimony that the Vice-President might or shall send forth Warrants to levy Money And therefore these Gentlemens Testimonies stand without impeachment of that point My Lord sayes Moneys were not levyed by force yet it was proved that for these two Regiments Money was levyed by force for Four Soldiers came to the Town and went with the Constables But he sayes it concerns not him for no Warrant of his was shown Their Lordships will not expect that my Lord of Strafford should give particular Warrants to every Officer his Direction is proved in general his Commands are conveyed and distributed by particular Ministers The Captains look for Commands from them that are above them and they from the Lieutenant-General And Sir William Pennyman conceives the Warrant made out by the Vice-President was by a Warrant from my Lord of Strafford or he had my Lord of Straffords Command So that take that which is under Hand and Seal take what Sir William Pennyman take what Mr. Cholmeley hath spoken it cannot be otherwise but it was done by my Lord of Straffords Command and that is sure without legal Authority and so Mr. Maynard conceived they had made a full proof of this Article For that which concernes the Great Council he desired my Lords Answer might be read where he sayes expresly It was done by order of the Lords of the Great Council And Mr. Maynard humbly prayed that some of the Lords of the Great Council might declare the Truth in that Case But my Lord of Strafford Answered That he confessed it here at the Barr that it is so and must humbly put their Lordships in mind that in his Answer he prayes if any thing be mistaken he may have time to amend it and he doth amend it he confesses it was put in too strongly Mr. Glyn added That they put their Lordships in mind of it that it may not be forgotten After his Lordship was put in mind of it by the Lords of the Great Council he retracts it yet when he comes to Answer he affirms it therefore they think it necessary to put their Lordships in mind of it least he affirm it again Mr. Whitlock observed That my Lord of Strafford had made Justification of his Act here and truely the opinions which he hath here published and declared in the face of the Parliament are sufficient grounds of Condemnation of him He said the other day That in case of necessity the King was loose and absolved from all Rules of Government and that then Money might be levied by Force and that their Lordships very well remembers what that necessity was indeed no necessity at all But whatsoever the necessity is they know no such Tenent as my Lord of Strafford publishes But it is expresly against the Fundamental Lawes of the Kingdom and a meer Course for his bringing in an Arbitrary Power His Lordship said That as he stood qualified he might justifie as much as he hath done Which words are little less than the offence wherewith he is charged
and prove the Charge For him to say That as he was then qualified because he was Lieutenant General of the Army he might send his Warrants to Tax the Kings Subjects without Parliament is to take on him the Power of a Parliament for under favour no such Tax can be made without assent in Parliament So that what my Lord of Strafford hath declared as a ground of his Defence is a good ground of his Condemnation My Lord of Strafford did here desire liberty to speak to the Testimony of Mr. Cholmley which is new matter and he besought their Lordships to observe That he did not say as Sir William Ingram That the Money should be paid and he that paid not the Money should be in little better condition then High Treason But he that denies his Allegiance to the King to go with Him in His Wars in Defence of the Realm is little better than guilty of Treason or is Fineable in the Star-Chamber But because these are tender Points and he little understands them and they take hold of all that falls from him he shall say no more but that the Testimony of the one and the other are two several things And his Lordship proceeded to speak something touching Sir William Ingrams Testimony which Mr. Glyn interposed and said That 's no new matter but it only arises out of his Answer and therefore he desired no more might be said to that He proceeded to other matters contained in the Reply and offered to their Lordships That it had been said he did publiquely justify at the Bar that he had power to lay Taxes and to force payment but he said under favour no such thing but that he having the Kings Commission and Power to call in such as he should think fit to serve the King for defence of the Realm and this being pursuant to the Act of Parliament of 11 H. 7. he said he might justify as he conceives the calling of the Regiments to relieve by turns one another as there should be occasion but to say he had power to Tax what he pleased God forbid he should say or think such a thing He is not the wisest man in the world yet not so ignorant but to know that the one were a great breach on the fundamental propriety and liberty of the Subject but to call men to perform their Duty for preservation of the King and Kingdom he conceives to be a quite different thing His Lordship proceeded to speak to some part of the Reply concerning his sending forth of Warrants to levy by force Which being excepted against as new mattermy Lord of Strafford answer'd That if he speaks new matter it is sufficient punishment to him My Lord of Strafford proceeded That he is charged to be the procurer of Sir William Pennymans sending a Warrant to levy by force whereas he said the Warrant was issued by him and the Deputy-Lieutenants But that being denyed and apprehended to be new matter Mr. Whitlock desired to Reply to my Lord of Strafford's Answer to what he had formerly opened wherein he conceived he was not mistaken but if he were he submitted but he opened it thus That as my Lord of Strafford with the Power and Commission he had he said he might justify what he had done and it proved that he sent Warrants to levy Money and these Moneys were levyed by force Mr. Maynard added That they are here for the King and Common-wealth and desired that Right might be spared them and that there might not be continual Replyes That no colour of Answer is given that because a man must serve in person therefore Money must be required of him else he must be brought by Head and Shoulders to serve in person They offered a Warrant made upon peril of Life under the Hand and Seal of Sir Edward Osborne Whence Mr. Maynard observed That there is Imprisonment Levying of Money charging upon pain of Life levying of Goods nothing can be put upon the Subject but it hath been offered in this Case Mr. Glyn Summ'd up their Proofs saying Since my Lord of Strafford will have another Reply they have produced their Proofs That he hath levied War against the Kings Subjects and did before declare an Intention to levy Money which was afterwards done by his direction Sir William Pennyman proves that Warrants were issued and in such sort as mentions a coertion They have in pursuance proved it to be levied by four Musquetiers if he gave direction another gave execution and the parties Body must be carried away if he pays not which is a levying of War against the Kings Subjects and Gogan 5 R. 2. was accused of Treason for forceing a man to enter into Bond which is not so much as to force those payments on the Kings Subjects They produced Sir Edward Osborns Warrant attested by Mr. Cholmley to be the Original Warrant that he had from Mr. Vice-President to send for the levying of the Money To the c. WHereas His Majesty is informed that the Regiment under Command of Col. Cholmley is set forth with little Money which expresses great disaffection to His Majesties service and wilful neglect of your own and the whole Kingdoms safety the Scotch Army having taken Newcastle and being on their march towards these parts These are therefore to Will and require you in His Majesties Name and by His special Command to raise and cause to be raised by the Port Constable or otherwise as you shall think best the sum of 20s 8d at least for each common Soldiers belonging to such Towns or Parishes and to send the same immediately to York to be delivered to the Colonel for Pay and Supply of the said Soldiers and likewise to charge and command all and every person and persons who find private Arms or contribute thereunto forthwith to send the like sum at least to York to be disposed as aforesaid And in case any of them refuse to contribute you are required by like Command to certify me the Names of such refusers that a Messenger may be sent to bring them hither to serve in person and be severely punished according to the Quality of so high an offence seeing the safety of His Majesties Person and the safety of the Kingdom depends on this Fail not in the speedy execution thereof as you will answer to the contrary on peril of your life Dated the last of August 1640. Mr. Maynard desired their Lordships to observe the former Deposition that my Lord of Strafford should say The Vice-President shall or may send forth Warrants and it is originally my Lord of Straffords fault And so they concluded the 27th Article Mr. Glyn did offer to their Lordships that there is the 28th Article remaining wherein whether shall proceed or no they have not yet resolved But they desired another day to be heard they having something more to say And so the Court was Adjourned and the next day was
there is nothing at all of it that I am to Answer it being wholly done by the Order of Chancery and I having no more to do with it then any man that hears it the Matter that stayes with me in this Article is the alleadged Warrant to Mr. Savill Sergeant at Armes and the Execution of it for that I shall humbly beseech your Lordships I may mind you with all humility that that Warrant is not shewed and I do think that my Lords the Judges do in the Tryals before them observe that Deeds are to prove themselves in ordinary Tryals betwixt Men and Men Now how much more in a Tryal for life and which is more than that though my Misfortune will have me to own it in the Tryal of a Peer The Witnesses my Lords say They have seen such a Warrant But no Witnesse sayes he knowes it and will Swear it to be my Hand and Seal or that I set my Hand or Seal to it for it may be Counterfeited for any thing they know For Mr. Savill upon Oath I thought under Favour he ought not to be admitted against me for he Swears directly to justifie himself for if there be no such Warrant he is answerable for the Fact not I. But my Lords admit there were such a Warrant I humbly conceive I gave your Lordships a very clear and full Answer to it I shewed you and proved it as I conceive that the Sessing of Soldiers hath been a Coercive means used in Ireland alwayes to enforce obedience to the Kings Authority I proved it to have been used to fetch in the Kings Rents of all kinds Contributions Compositions and Exchequer Rents I proved it to have been used to bring in Offenders and Rebels and as my Lord Ranalagh deposes for any Unjustifiable Act. Sir Arthur Terringham for a small Debt which appears not to be the Kings Debt My Lords nothing at all is proved against it but Negatively the Witnesses say they did not know such a thing they had not heard the like and I think none of your Lordships had before this Cause and yet that thing might be too And my Lords I beseech your Lordships How should it be not Treason to Assess Soldiers for the Kings Debts and yet the Assessing of Soldiers on the Contempt of the Kings Authority should be Treason for certainly the Kings Authority is of far more Dignity and more respect is to be had to it then the getting of a few poor Debts and why it should be Treason in one Case and not in another methinks it is very strange My Lords in the next place I conceive that not in any Construction this can be said to be a Levying of War against the King and His People being but the Imployment of two or three Soldiers to procure obedience to His Majesties Government because as I conceive likewise I had Commission to make War as I saw Cause for punishing the Rebels and securing the Publick Peace and therefore How can I be charged with that I have power to do The worst that can be made of it is an absurd execution of a Power but to make it Treason when I had Commission and Liberty so to do methinks that is very hard And it was no absurd execution of a Power under favour neither when I had the Precedent of all the former Deputies and Lieutenants in the Case My Lords it was never Complained of all the while I was there for ought appears to your Lordships so that it seems there was no great Innovation nor Inconvenience for if there were I should have heard of it But the Statute 11 E. 1. ca. 7. sets a penalty upon any Subject that shall Assess without the Deputies Authority Now I do most humbly beseech your Lordships that you would be pleased to remember that and let me know how it should be but Penal in a Common person to do it and yet Treason in a Deputy My Lords I shall likewise humbly mind your Lordships for the Statute or rather two Statutes as I take it whereby I conceive this Statute that made a Treason in Ireland was repealed But howsoever the practice in all time hath gone quite contrary to that Statute and the best Interpretation of Law is the Practice of Law and therefore the Practice having been otherwise it is an Argument very strong and prevalent that the Deputy as Chief Governor was never intended to be Concluded within that Act nor never to be brought in by General Words onely And that this should be a Levying of War against the King within the Statute of 25 E. 3. in England surely I conceive it cannot be for the Burning of Towns the Taking of Forts Killing and Slaying that I conceive to be a Levying of War but this is a strange Levying of War with two or three Soldiers to rest in Peace and Quietness eating on Contemners onely and not Killing and Slaying and all to procure Obedience to the King not in Disobedience to His Command If to lie upon them and eate be High-Treason in this Case What shall become of a great Company of good Fellowes that at this time eate at the Charge of the Country No my Lords This in the Case of a private Man had been but a Forcible Entry or a Ryot at the most if a man had done the same thing Mr. Savil did of his own Authority without the Deputy it had been but a Force and Ryot and How shall this be in my Case High Treason The next Charge in that Case is concerning a Warrant to one Piggot another Sergeant at Armes and the great and crying Miscarriages and Misimployments of such a War if there had been any it was when I as your Lordships may please to remember was out of Ireland and that was the Case of Bern a very Foule Misdemeanor as it proved But my Lords I being out of the Kingdom and no such Warrant shown I conceive I am absolutely dismissed as unto that and have nothing to Answer for it there was nothing done while I was in the Kingdom there is no Warrant of mine shown therefore I conceive I stand clear of that likewise But admit there were such a Warrant the Answer goes to that as to the test and certainly I hope will fully acquit me of this Fifteenth Article as Treason And so I must in humility submit to your Lordships wiser and better Judgments The next Statute Treason is an Intendment or Design or what you will have it for bringing over the Irish Army into this Kingdom to reduce it or to do I know not what nor I think no body else for there is no such thing But my Lords for proofe in this Case you have two offered there and no more under favour at all the first proof is the Fears and Doubts of my Lord Ranalaugh that tells you he Fears such a thing and Doubts such a thing My Lords if Fears and Doubts may be sufficient to Condemn me for Treason
no greater measure God be praised than these are My Lords these being the words that passed from me in Ireland there are other words that are charged upon me to have been spoken in England but if your Lordships will give me leave though perhaps in no very good method I shall not fail to touch first or last the words in every Article The next Article then that I am charged withal for words is the second Article and these are the words that I should say concerning the Finger and the Loins My Lords I may alledge much new matter but I will observe your Lordships Order punctually by the Grace of God for what I may say in that case if it might be admitted I keep it to my self but the truth is they that do prove the words to be thus That I would make the little finger of the Law heavier than the Kings Loins they do not tell you the occasion of the Speech or what went before or what after for my Lords if they had told the occasion which methinks they should as well have remembred as the words it would plainly and clearly have appeared to your Lordships that Sir William Pennymans Testimony was most true for the occasion was such that to have said those words had been to have spoken against that to which I intended the discourse but speaking them as I said it makes very strong for that purpose to which I directed them which was to appease the Countrey and quiet the Discontents for having been double charged with the Knight-money and therefore it was not properly threatening them further to have provoked them My Lords you have Sir Will. Pennymans testimony that it was so and my profession who under favour will not speak an untruth to save my life I protest before God that I say I verily believe or else I will never speak it indeed and there it is they have proved it to have been said one way we another way we give the occasion of our Speech and disavow theirs and so we must leave it and howsoever these words so spoken can never be drawn as I humbly conceive as premises to prove their conclusions that therefore I am guilty of High Treason they have made me guilty of a foolish Word and that I confess and if they please I will confess it all the day long for I have been foolish all the days of my life and I hope hereafter I shall look unto my ways that I offend not with my Tongue for if I cannot rule it abroad I will rule it within doors else I will never stirr abroad but bound it so to my own business and affairs that I trust I shall give no offence The next Article that chargeth me with words is the 22 Article and these be words spoke in England The first part of them which concerns the bringing in of the Irish Army I have spoken to already but in the conclusion there are other words and shortly the said Earl of Strafford returned to England and to sundry persons declared his opinion to be That His Majesty should first try the Parliament here and if that did not supply him according to his occasions he might then use his Prerogative as he pleased to levy what he needed and that he should be acquitted both of God and Man if he took some other courses to supply himself though it were against the will of his Subjects My Lords as unto this I conceive the Charge is not proved by any Witness that hath been here produced against me and in truth my Lords I must needs say this under favour if it be an error in my Judgement I must humbly crave your Lordships pardon through the whole Cause I have not seen a weaker proof and if I had had time to have gotten my Witnesses out of Ireland I hope that should be proved and so clearly as nothing could be proved more but I must stand or fall to what I have proved and so I do my Lords the proof they offer for this as I conceive is the Testimony of my Lord Primate and his Testimony is That in some discourse betwixt us two touching Levying upon the Subject in case of imminent necessity he found me of opinion that the King might use his Prerogative as he pleased My Lords this is under favour a single Testimony it is of a discourse between him and me and there is not any other that witnesses any thing concerning it so that under favour My Lords I conceive this will not be sufficient to bring me any ways in danger of Treason being but a single Testimony and my Lords it is to be thought and to be believed and it were a great offence for any man to think otherwise that in this case any thing can please the King he is so Gracious and Good but what shall be Just and Lawful and then there is no doubt but so far as with Justice and Lawfulness he may use his Prerogative in case of imminent danger when ordinary means will not be admitted At most he saith it was but an opinion and opinions may make an Heretick but they shall not I trust make a Traitor The next is the Testimony of my Lord Conway and the words that his Lordship testifies are these That in case the King would not be otherwise supplyed by Subsidies he might seek means to help himself though it were against the will of his Subjects Truly my Lords if I should acknowledge these words I do not see how they can be any way Capital in my case but this again is but a single Testimony and there is no other that says it but himself and if there be a good sense given to them certainly the words may very well bear it for I think it is a very natural motion for any man to preserve himself though it be to the disliking of another and why a King should not do it as well as a Subject it is such a prerogative of Kings as I never yet heard of for I thought though they had been Gods on earth yet they are men and have affections as men and should preserve themselves being not only accountable for themselves to God Almighty but also for their Subjects whose Good and Benefit is wrapt up and involved in theirs and therefore the King ought more to regard his own preservation than the Common-wealth The Third is That Mr. Treasurer says that to his best remembrance I did say That if the Parliament should not succeed I would be ready to assist His Majesty any other way God forbid this should be any offence for to say so either in him or me for I will swear if it please you that he said so as well as I therefore God forbid it should endanger either of us both for my Lords to say I will serve the King any other way it is no other than what became a good and faithful servant to do always provided the way be good and lawful
England If but any one of these Six Considerations hold the Commons conceive that upon the whole matter they had good cause to pass the Bill My Lords For the first of Levying War I shall make bold to read the case to your Lordships before I speak to it It 's thus The Earl did by Warrant under his Hand and Seal give Authority to Robert Savil a Sergeant at Arms and his Deputies to Sesse such numbers of Soldiers Horse and Foot of the Army in Ireland together with an Officer as the Sergeant should think fit upon His Majesties Subjects of Ireland against their Will this Warrant was granted by the Earl to the end to compell the Subjects of Ireland to submit to the unlawful Summons and Orders made by the Earl upon Paper Petitions exhibited to him in case of private interest between party and party this Warrant was executed by Savil and his Deputies by sessing of Soldiers both Horse and Foot upon divers of the Subjects of Ireland against their Wills in warlike manner and at divers times the Soldiers continued upon the parties upon whom they were sessed and wasted their Goods until such time as they had submitted themselves unto those Summons and Orders My Lords This is a Levying War within the Statute of 25th Edw. 3. The words of the Statute are If any man do Levy War against our Lord the King in His Realm this is declared Treason I shall endeavour in this to make clear to your Lordships 1. What shall be a Levying of War in respect of the motive or cause of it 2. What shall be said a Levying of War in respect of the action or thing done 3. And in the third place I shall apply them to the present case It will be granted in this levying of War that Forces may be raised and likewise used in Warlike manner and yet no levying of War within the Statute that is when the Forces are raised and employed upon private ends either of revenge or interest Before this Statute in Edw. the 1. time the Title of a Castle was in difference between the Earls of Hereford and Gloucester for the maintaining of the possession on the one side and gaining of it on the other Forces were raised on either side of many hundred men they marched with Banners displayed one against another In the Parliament in the 20th year of Edward 1. this was adjudged only Trespass and either of the Earls Fined 1000 Marks apiece After the Statute in Hillary Term in the 15th year of Edw. the 3. in the Kings-Bench Rot. 3. Nicholas Huntercome in Warlike manner with 40 men armed amongst other weapons with Guns so antient as appears by that Record they were did much spoil in the Mannor of the Abby of Dorchester in the County of Oxford this was accounted no Treason and so it hath been held by the Judges That if one or more Town-ship upon pretence of saving their Commons do in a forcible and warlike manner throw in inclosures this is only a Riot no Treason The words of the Statute 25 Edw. 3. clear this point that if any man ride Armed openly or secretly with men at Arms against any other to kill and rob or to detain him until he hath made Fine and Ransome for his deliverance this is declared not to be Treason but Felony or Trespass as the Case shall require all the printed Statutes which have it covertly or secret are misprinted for the words in the Parliament Roll as appears in the 17th are Discovertment on Secretement Open or Secretly So that my Lords in this of Levying War the Act is not so much to be considered but as in all other Treasons and Felonies quo animo with what intent and purpose My Lords If the end be considerable in Levying War it may be said that it cannot be a War unless against the King for the words of the Statute are If any man Levy War against the King That these words extend further than to the person of the King appears by the words of the Statute which in the beginning declares it to be Treason to compass and imagine the death of the King and after other Treasons this is to be declared to be Treason to Levy War against the King If Levying of War extend no further than to the Person of the King these words of the Statute are to no purpose for then the first Treason of compassing the Kings death had fully included it before because that he which Levies War against the Person of the King doth necessarily compass his death It 's a War against the King when intended for alteration of the Laws or Government in any part of them or to destroy any of the Great Officers of the Kingdom This is a Levying War against the King 1. Because the King doth protect and maintain the Laws in every part of them and the great Officers to whose care he hath in his own stead delegated the execution of them 2. Because they are the Kings Laws he is the Fountain from whence in their several Channels they are derived to the Subject all our Indictments run thus Trespasses laid to be done Contra pacem Domini Regis the Kings Peace for exorbitant offences though not intended against the King's Person against the King his Crown and Dignity My Lords this construction is made good by divers Authorities of great weight ever since the Statute of 25th of Edw. 3. downwards In R. the 2. time Sir Tho. Talbot conspired the death of the Dukes of Glocester and Lancaster and some other of the Peers for the effecting of it he had caused several People in the County of Chester to be Armed in Warlike manner in Assemblies in the Parliament held in the 17th year of R. 2. N o 20. Sir Thomas Talbot being accused of High Treason for this It 's there declared insomuch as one of them was Lord High Steward of England and the other High Constable that this was done in destruction of the Estates of the Realm and of the Laws of the Kingdom and therefore adjudged Treason and the Judgement sent down into the Kings Bench as appears Easter Term in the 17th year of R. 2. in the Kings Bench Rot. 16th These two Lords had appeared in the 11th of R. 2 in maintainance of the Act of Parliament made in the year before one of them was of the Commissioners appointed by Parliament and one of the Appealors of those who would have overthrown it The Duke of Lancaster likewise was one of the Lords that was to have been Indicted of Treason for endeavouring the maintenance of it and therefore conspiring of their deaths is said to be in destruction of their Laws This there is declared to be Treason that concerned the Person of the King and Common-wealth In that great insurrection of the Villains and meaner People in Richard the II. time they took an Oath Quod Regi Communibus fidelitatem servarent to be true
rest like your Lordships know whom Then he descends to the fourth Article and this concerns some words he should speak upon an occasion betwixt him and my Lord of Cork that he should tell my Lord of Cork He would have neither Law nor Lawyers dispute or question his Orders And upon another occasion That he would make my Lord of Cork and all Ireland know that all Acts of State which are Acts of Council there made or to be made should be as binding as any Act of Parliament This he said was proved but by one witness and I extreamly marvel to hear him say so for the latter words we proved by four or five or six witnesses that is That he would have Acts of State as binding as Acts of Parliament Whereas he sayes these are all the words produced against him in the time of seven years Government there your Lordships have heard of many words and if we would trouble your Lordships further in this kind we could prove such words spoken as often almost as he remained dayes in Ireland that is for the mis-recital The other part two witnesses proved but the residue That they must expect Law from the King as a Conqueror That Acts of State should be equal to Acts of Parliament and when an Act of Parliament would not pass he would make it good by an Act of State these speeches at other times were proved by five witnesses Then he falls back to the second Article touching the words That the Kings little finger should be heavier than the loins of the Law My Lords These words were proved expresly by five witnesses to be by him spoken and if he had produced five hundred that had said he did not speak them they had not been equivalent to disprove five but he produces none Sir William Penniman repeats other words and inverts them and none but he Another party a Minister reports a report that he heard concerning these words but my Lord he saith the occasion of the speaking of them was not mentioned Truly perhaps it might be the forgetfulness of my Lords memory but let me put him in mind and your Lordships remember that the occasion was exprest by one and that is Sir David Fowles that he laying a command upon Sir David to repair a Bridge and calling him to an account why it was not repaired Sir David Fowles told him he could not do it by Law And therefore omitting it my Lord said to him Sir some are all for Law and Lawyers but you shall know that the Kings little finger will be heavier than the loins of the Law Here is the occasion though he would have another business the knighting Money to be the occasion From the second he falls to the three and twentieth Article that is concerning words that he should counsel His Majesty that he might use His Prerogative as he pleased but in saying there was no proof offered he here begins to fall upon the other fallacy that is to pull things asunder whereas we produce them together and would make that which is a Fagot to be but a single Stick but under favour when I come with your Lordships patience to open the force of the proofs and put them together he shall find contrary to his expectation that they are fully proved by the testimony of many witnesses upon consideration of the precedent concurrent and subsequent Acts and Intentions of my Lord of Strafford I shall not now run over my Lord Primates testimony or my Lord Conwayes or master Treasurers or my Lord of Bristols but make use of them in their proper places when I shall put all together to shew his design and to prove his speaking of the words Then he comes to the five and twentieth Article which I shall not insist on though he pretends it not proved I shall refer that to my recollection that I may not answer to his pieces but bring all together and then the horror of his Fact shall more speciously appear Only this under favour I cannot pass over when he comes to justify an Advice and Counsel of the Kings being loose and absolved from all rules of Government and that he might use his Prerogative as he pleases he is pleased to mention the Argument of the Judges in the Ship-money and what they should deliver he makes the Warrant of his Counsel Now your Lordships may observe he would justify his actions by Law in some cases where it is to his advantage but in other cases he must be ignorant of the Law But my Lords for him to mention any thing in the Argument of the Judges concerning the Ship-money which is now cendemned and to make that a ground of his Counsel and advice to the King and not the judgement in truth but the Argument of the Counsel at Bar that therefore he is loose and absolved from all rule of Government for him to make the Parliaments deferring to give supply to be that necessity which was insisted upon in the Counsels Argument and to be such an unavoidable necessity as to beget an Invasion upon Propriety and Liberty it rests in your Judgements and the judgements of all that hear me what argument this is and what he declares his opinion to be this day In the latter part let me close hands and agree with him he sayes Proofs must be taken by themselves they must not be judged by pieces but together and now in good time I shall joyn with him and shall desire the same judgement that things may not be taken asunder but judged together according to his own words For the twentieth Article he is thereby charged with being an Incendiary between both Nations and an occasion of drawing two Armies into this Kingdom and to incense the War My Lords I remember if I did not mis-conceive and my memory misprompt me my Lord said He could have no occasion to incense a War being a man of an Estate and should have no benefit by it having sufficient to live without it but in due time I shall make it appear to my apprehension and I believe to your Lordships when you have heard it that the incensing of this War and provoking of it was the principal instrument of bringing to pass his design of subverting the Laws through the whole work of it My Lords in the passage of this he takes occasion to speak of the testimony of Mr. Secretary Vane who testifies That my Lord was for an offensive and himself for a defensive War Whence my Lord argues here is no great difference for both were for a War But my Lord Is there no difference between an offensive and defensive War in case of Subjects that live under one King is there no difference to bring an Army to offend them and for the King to raise a force to defend himself truly I think there is a great difference and a very material one too but your Lordships see he makes no difference between them My Lords
should be reduced by force he gave advice precipitately without hearing the reasons and not concurrent to the Council for an offensive War and putting all together I refer it your Lordships judgement who is the Incendiary for how can it be proved more clearly unless it should appear under his Hand and Seal proved by two or three witnesses Now My Lords how comes this to be his design here the Mystery comes to be unfolded Having thus incensed to the War and ingaged the King to the uttermost and having a Parliament now dissolved without supply he sets up an Idol of his own creation as a means to draw on his design and that was necessity necessity is it that must enforce the King what to do to levy Money to use his Prerogative to raise supplies upon His Subjects without their consent against their Will necessity must be his Argument and this War must be the occasion of that necessity and without that he cannot suggest to the Kings ear or advise this necessity till this be brought to pass And now he hath brought it to pass he began in the One and twentieth Two and twentieth and Three and twentieth Article to perswade the King that necessity hath surprized him by the Parliaments deserting of him that the Parliament had forsaken the King in denying supply and having tryed the affections of His people he was loose and absolved from all rules of Government and had an Army in Ireland which he might employ to reduce this Kingdom That he spake these words to the King part is proved by two concurrent Witnesses that is that having tryed the affections of his people he was now loose and absolved from all rules of Government which words are proved by two witnesses of eminent quality that is my Lord of Northumberland and Sir Henry Vane and truly howsoever my Lord in his speech pretends that the most material words are proved but by one witness it seeming that he held it not a material charge that he counselled the King that he was absolved from all Rules of Government for my part if your Lordships be satisfied those words were proved I could willingly satisfy my own conscience in it and make no great matter to quit the rest for I know not how he could express it in higher terms than that the King was absolved from all rules of Government for then he might do what he would It is true the latter words touching the Irish Army are expresly proved but by one witness Mr. Secretary Vane but are fortified again with such circumstances as make up more than one yea more than two other witnesses if your Lordships will have the patience to have it represented as it is proved For howsoever it be slighted by him if your Lordships will call to mind the words of Sir George Ratcliffe his bosom friend to whom he had contributed without question his advice in all causes the said Sir George Ratcliffe expressed it before and told some of his friends supposing that he never should be called in question and that the power of my Lord of Strafford had been enough to protect any thing he had done and out of the abundance of the heart his mouth spake the King must now want no money if he did no body would pity him now he had his sword in his hand Sir Robert King proves it so My Lord Ranalagh discovered the smoak of the fire that he had just cause to suspect and on good grounds I am sure and if the Commons of England had not just cause to suspect him as I believe he is convinced they had good cause what is the reason this suspition should be entertained at that time my Lord of Strafford being not then questioned for it and yet my Lord Ranalagh should say Shall we turn our Swords upon our own bowels Shall we bring this Army to turn the points of our blades upon that Nation from whence we were all derived and that was before any conference with Mr. Secretary Vane Sir William Penniman himself his own witness and friend says at York before my Lord of Strafford was questioned that there was a common fame of bringing the Army into England and there is something in that surely and after all this to produce one witness that expresly proves the very words spoken in terminis as they be charged if your Lordships put the whole together see whether there be not more than one witness And under favour my Lord Cottington if you call to mind his testimony I must justify he did declare That he heard my Lord of Strafford tell the King That some reparation was to be made to the Subjects property which must inferre he had advised an Invasion upon the property else by no good coherence should a reparation be made And that he testifies this I must affirm and most here will affirm it and I think your Lordships well remember it and that is an addition to it for if your Lordships cast your eye upon the Interrogatory administred to my Lord Admiral and my Lord Cottington that very question is asked so that his own conscience told him he had advised somthing to invade upon the people when he advised to a restitution after things should be setled and so I refer it to your Lordships consideration whether here be not more than one witness by far It is true he makes objections to lessen this testimony First That this Army was to be landed at Ayre in Scotland and not here and this was declared to Sir Thomas Lucas Mr. Slingsby Sir William Penniman and others Secondly That others that were present when the words are supposed to be spoken did not hear any such words For the first Perhaps the Army might be originally intended for Scotland and yet this is no contradiction but he might intend it afterwards for England surely this is no Logick that because it was intended for one place it could never be intended for another place so his allegation may be true and the charge stand true likewise Beside that it was intended originally for Scotland what proof makes he He told several persons of the design but I will be tryed by himself he told some it was for Scotland he told others it was for England and why you should believe his telling on one side more than on the other side I know not though he pretends a reason of his several allegations that the world should not know his design but if you will not believe him one way why should he be believed the other way and if not the other way why the first way For the Second Several persons were present when the words were spoken touching the Irish Army and they were examined and remember not the words but one man may hear though twenty do not hear and this is no contradiction at all for those persons whom he examined the Lord Treasurer Marquis Hamilton my Lord Cottington did not hear the words that are proved
by two witnesses concerning the Kings being loose and absolved from rules of Government and if they did not hear those words no marvel they did not hear the other and therefore that which he himself pretends to be a convincing testimony is nothing at all so that his objections are clearly taken away and the single testimony fortified with testimonies that make above one witness and so the words are fully proved But to fortify the whole I shall handle all these Articles together This design to subvert the Law and to exercise an Arbitrary power above the Law in this Kingdom will upon the proofs putting them altogether and not taking them in pieces as my Lord of Strafford hath done appear to have been harboured in his thoughts and setled in his heart long before it was executed You see what his Counsels were That the King having tryed the affections of his people was loose and absolved from all rules of Government and might do every thing that power would admit and His Majesty had tryed all ways and was refused and should be acquitted of God and Man and had an Army in Ireland wherewith if he pleased he might reduce this Kingdom so there must be a trial of his people for Supply that is denyed which must be interpreted a Defection by refusal and this refusal must give advantage of necessity and this necessity must be an advantage to use his Prerogative against the rule of the Law and consent of the People this is his advice which shews that this very thing that happened did harbour in his thoughts long before the breach of the Parliament and the occasion of the Army Your Lordships have heard it confessed by himself That before this last advice he had advised the calling of a Parliament To the Parliament a proposition of Twelve Subsidies was made for supply and which may be spoken with great assurance before they had consulted or given any resolution to that proposition the Parliament was dissolved upon a supposal that the Supply was denied Now that this was pre-designed by my Lord of Strafford himself I beseech you observe these things following that is The words in the Two and twentieth Article That His Majesty was first to try the Parliament and if that did not supply him then he would serve the King any other way His words are proved by Mr. Treasurer That if the Parliament supplyed him not he would serve him any other way and this is before the Parliament set now if your Lordships hear the proofs of my Lord Primate which my Lord of Strafford slights taking it singly My Lord Primate before the Parliament was called when my Lord of Strafford was in Ireland and not yet come into this Kingdom testifies my Lords saying That if the Parliament will not supply His Majesty the King was acquitted before God and Man if he took some other course to supply himself though against the will of the Subjects I beseech your Lordships observe how he prophesies these things must come to pass and advised them accordingly My Lord Conway testifies that before the Parliament sate my Lord of Strafford said that if the Parliament would not supply His Majesty the King was acquitted before God and Man if he took another course to supply himself though it were against the will of the Subject and he doubts not but the Parliament would give What Twelve Subsidies and your Lordships very well remember Twelve were propounded but I beseech you observe the coherence of all the Parliament must be called they must be tryed if they deny there is necessity and this necessity is a Warrant for the King to proceed so that my Lord of Strafford must be judged to be either a Prophet or to have this design beforehand in his thoughts Now the Parliament being broken before answer to the Demand given he vents his Counsel in the Three and twentieth Article and how far it is proved your Lordships have heard Now comes the Bullion to be seized the Copper-money to be advised and now comes he to tell the King that the Aldermen of London must be put to Fine and Ransome and laid by the heels and no good would be done till some of them be hanged so you hear his advice I beseech your Lordships observe what success this advice took Four Aldermen were instantly committed and then the Counsel of the Three and twentieth Article is fomented First He foments the War then there is a necessity the defection of the Parliament must set the King loose from rules of Government and now see whether the occasion of the War the calling of the Parliament the dissolving of it be not adequate to what he propounded to himself namely to set up an Arbitrary Government Your Lordships remember how fresh my Lord of Bristols memory is touching my Lord of Straffords opinion upon the dissolution of the Parliament how he declared unto my Lord of Bristol instantly within three or four days after That the King was not to be mastered by the frowardness of his people or rather of some particular persons and your Lordships remember Sir George Wentworths words spoken the very day of dissolving the Parliament which may be very well applyed as a concurrent proof to his intentions of bringing the Army into England He was my Lords own Brother that knew much of his Counsel and his words are That the English Nation would never be well till they were conquered over again So my Lords put all together if he declared his own intentions if actions in executing this Tyrannical and Arbitrary Power if Counsels of as dangerous consequence in as high a strain as can be be not a sufficient Evidence to prove an intention and desire to subvert the Law I know not what can prove such an interpretation and now I refer it to your Lordships judgements whether here be not a good proof of the Article laid to his chage My Lords in the Seven and twentieth Article he is charged with levying of War upon the Kings people by forcing them in Yorkshire to pay Money to prove they were so forced you have heard by two witnesses that Sergeant Major Yaworth by Musquetiers four together in the Town and one by one out of the Town did compel them to pay the fortnights contribution else they were to serve in person That he did this by Warrant is likewise confessed by Sir William Pennyman and whether this were an authority derived from or commanded by my Lord of Strafford that is the question and my Lords it is plainly proved that it was commanded by my Lord of Strafford for Sir William Pennyman himself being examined alledged that the Warrant was made in pursuance of the relation and direction made by my Lord of Strafford Your Lordships heard what my Lord of Strafford did say before-hand as is proved by two witnesses Sir William Ingram and Mr. Cholmley that this Money should be paid or levied on the Subjects Goods Then his Declaration
hope shortly to be gathered to enjoy Eternal Happiness which shall never have an end I desire heartily to be forgiven of every Man if any rash or unadvised Words or Deeds have passed from me and desire all your Prayers and so my Lord farewel and farewel all things in this world The Lord strengthen my Faith and give me Confidence and Assurance in the Merits of Christ Jesus I trust in God we shall all meet to live Eternally in Heaven and receive the accomplishment of all Happiness where every Tear shall be wiped from our Eyes and sad thoughts from our Hearts And so God bless this Kingdom and Jesus have Mercy on my Soul Then turning himself about he saluted all the Noblemen and took a solemn leave of all considerable persons on the Scaffold giving them his Hand And after that he said Gentlemen I would say my Prayers and I intreat you all to pray with me and for me Then his Chaplain laid the Book of Common Prayer upon the Chair before him as he kneeled down on which he prayed almost a quarter of an hour then he prayed as long or longer without a Book and ended with the Lords Prayer then standing up he spyed his Brother Sir George Wentworth and call'd him to him and said Brother We must part remember me to my Sister and to my Wife and carry my blessing to my eldest Son and charge him from me that he fear God and continue an obedient Son of the Church of England and that he approve himself a faithful Subject to the King and tell him that he should not have any private Grudge or Revenge towards any concerning me and bid him beware to meddle not with Church Livings for that will prove a Moth and Canker to him in his Estate and wish him to content himself to be a Servant to his Countrey as a Justice of Peace in his County not aiming at higher preferments Carry my Blessing also to my Daughter Ann and Arrabella charge them to fear and serve God and he will bless them not forgetting my little Infant that knows neither good nor evil and cannot speak for it self God speak for it and bless it Then said he I have nigh done One stroak will make my Wife Husbandless my dear Children Fatherless and my poor Servants Masterless and seperate me from my dear Brother and all my Friends but let God be to you and them all in all After that going to take off his Doublet and to make himself unready he said I thank God I am no more afraid of Death nor daunted with any discouragements arising from any fears but do as chearfully put off my Doublet at this time as ever I did when I went to Bed Then he put off his Doublet and wound up his Hair with his Hands and put on a white Cap. Then he called Where is the man that should do this last Office meaning the Executioner call him to me When he came and ask'd him forgiveness he told him he forgave him and all the World then kneeling down by the Block he went to Prayer again himself the Bishop of Armagh kneeling on the one side and the Minister on the other to the which Minister after Prayer he turned himself and spoke some few words softly having his Hands lifted up the Minister closed his Hands with his then bowing himself to the Earth to lay down his Head on the Block he told the Executioner that he would first lay down his Head to try the fitness of the Block and take it up again before he laid it down for good and all and so he did and before he laid it down again he told the Executioner That he would give him warning when to strike by streatching forth his Hands and then laid down his Neck on the Block stretching out his Hands the Executioner struck off his Head at one blow then took the Head up in his Hand and shewed it to all the People and said God save the King A Copy of the Paper containing the Heads of the Lord Straffords last Speech written by his own Hand as it was left upon the Scaffold 1. I Come to pay the last debt we ow to Sin 2. Rise to Righteousness 3. Dye willingly 4. Forgive all 5. Submit to what is voted Iustice but my intentions innocent from Subverting c. 6. Wishing nothing more than great Prosperity to King and People 7. Acquit the King constrained 8. Beseech to Repent 9. Strange way to write the beginning of Reformation and Settlement of a Kingdom in Blood on themselves 10. Beseech that Demand may rest there 11. Call not Blood on themselves 12. Dye in the Faith of the Church 13. Pray for it and desire their Prayers with me GIve me leave here to add two pretty passages more The first is when My L. of Strafford the night before the day of Execution had sent for the Lieutenant of the Tower and asked him Whether it were possible he might speak with the Archbishop The Lieutenant told him he might not do it without Orders from the Parliament Master Lieutenant said he you shall hear what passeth betwixt us it is not a time either for him to plot Heresie or me to plot Treason The Lieutenant answered that he was limited and therefore desired his Lordship that he would petition the Parliament for that favour No said he I have gotten my dispatch from them and will trouble them no more I am now petitioning an Higher Court where neither Partiality can be expected nor Error feared But my Lord said he turning to the Primate of Ireland then present what I should have spoken to my Lords Grace of Canterbury is this You shall desire the Archbishop to lend me His Prayers this night and to give me his Blessing when I go abroad to morrow and to be in his Window that by my last farewel I may give him thanks for this and all other his former Favours My Lord Primate having delivered the Message without delay the Archbishop replyed That in Conscience he was bound for the First and in Duty and Obligation to the Second but he feared his Weakness and Passion would not lend him Eyes to behold his last departure The next morning at his coming forth he drew near to the Archbishops Lodgings and said to the Lieutenant Though I do not see the Archbishop give me leave I pray you to doe my last observance towards his Rooms In the mean time the Archbishop advertised of his approach came out to the Window then the Earl bowing himself to the ground My Lord said he Your Prayers and your Blessing the Arch-Bishop lift up his Hands and bestowed both but overcome with Grief fell to the ground in Animi diliquio the Earl proceeding a little further bowed the Second time saying Farewel my Lord God protect your Innocency The next is When he was marching to the Scaffold more like a General at the Head of an Army as many of the spectators then said
have said he freely concluded our Libertys we have offered Five Subsidys His Majesty hath given us Gracious Answers and nothing is done that the King can take notice of c. Hereupon Sir Tho. Wentworth proposed a middle way viz. That when we set down the time be sure the Subjects Libertys go hand in hand together with the Kings Supply then to resolve of the time but not to report it to the House till we have a ground and a Bill for our Liberties This is the way to come off fairly and prevent jealousies Hereupon the Committee of the whole House Resolved That Grievances and Supply goe hand in hand May 1. 4 Car. MR. Secretary Cook delivered a Message from His Majesty viz. To know whether the House would relye on His Royal Word or no Declared to them by the Lord Keeper which if they do the King assured them it should be Royally performed Sir Robert Phillips of Somersetshire spake upon this occasion and said That if the words of Kings strike impressions in the Hearts of Subjects to speak in a plain Language said he We are now come to the end of our journey and the well disposing of an Answer to this Message will give Happiness or Misery to this Kingdom Let us set the Common-wealth of England before the Eyes of His Majesty that we may justify to the world that we have demeaned our selves as dutiful Subjects to His Majesty Hereupon Sir Thomas Wentworth stood up and concluded the Debate saying That never House of Parliament trusted more in the goodness of their King for their own private than the present but we are ambitious that His Majestys goodness may remain to Posterity and we are accountable to publique Trust and therefore seeing there hath been a publique violation of the Laws by His Ministers nothing will satisfy him but a publique Mends and to our desire vindicate the Subjects Rights by Bill is no more than is laid down in former Laws with some modest provision for Restriction Performance and Execution and this so well agreed with the sense of the House that they made it the subject of a Message to be delivered by the Speaker to His Majesty Whilst the Lords afterwards were in Debate of the Petition of Right they were pleased at a Conference to propose to the Commons this following addition to the Petition of Right viz. 1. We present this our Humble Petition to Your Majesty with the care not only of preserving our own Liberties but with due regard to leave intire the Sovereign Power wherewith Your Majesty is trusted for the Protection Safety and Happiness of the People Upon this Sir Edward Cook spake saving This is Magnum in Parvo This is propounded to be a conclusion of our Petition it is a matter of great weight and to speak plainly it will overthrow all our Petition it trenches on all parts of it Look into the Petition of former times they never Petitioned wherein there was a saving of the Kings Sovereignty I know the Prerogative is part of the Law but Sovereign Power is no Parliamentary word c. Sir Thomas Wentworth spake next and said IF we do admit of this Addition we shall leave the Subjects worse than we found them and we shall have little thanks for our labour when we come home let us leave all Power to His Majesty to punish Malefactors but these Laws are not acquainted with Sovereign Power we desire no new thing nor do we offer to trench upon His Majestys Prerogative we may not recede from this Petition neither in part or in whole To add a saving is not safe doubtful words may beget an ill construction and the words are not only doubtful words but words unknown to us and never asked in one Act or Petition before 2. Now he began to be more generally taken notice of by all men and his Fame to spread abroad where publique Affairs and the Criticismes of the times were discoursed by the most refined Judgments those who were infected with popularity flattering themselves that he was inclined to support their inclination and would prove a Champion upon that account but such discourse as it endeared him to his Countrey so it begot to him an interest in the bosom of his Prince who having a discerning Judgment of Men quickly made his observation of Wentworth that he was a person framed for great affairs and fit to be near His Royal Person and Councils About this time in the heat of so general a report of him Sir Richard Weston then Lord High Treasurer after Earl of Portland a person also eminent for his acute and clear parts coveted acquaintance with this Gentleman and there not being wanting discreet Agents to accomplish what my Lord Treasurer desired it was soon effected After the first view a familiarity was begotten and next a deep friendship It happened that in some Conferences they touched upon the popular Humor as they termed it then appearing in the House of Commons and the present ways they were in as tending to no good he proposed the most rational and plausible mediations that could be for the present juncture of affairs in somuch that his judgment in things was much valued and followed In some time after he was made Baron Wentworth and had so gained His Majesties opinion that he was also created Viscount Wentworth of Wentworth-Woodhouse made one of His Majestys Privy Council Lord-Lieutenant of the County of York and Lord-President of the North In this Trust he Governed himself with such skill especially in those high contested points then in consultation that he pleased his Prince and improved His Majesties Revenue His frequent appearance at the Council-Board quickly gave occasion to that Great Prelate Archbishop Laud then Bishop of London and himself to discern one anothers parts begetting a right understanding betwixt them which grew into so inviolable a friendship that nothing but the inevitable stroke of death could separate them who whilst they lived constantly united their great Hearts and Understandings for the advancing the Church and the service of their Prince The Cedar was still growing though perhaps to the dislike of some Emulators yet to the general satisfaction of all such as had ability enough to judge of his Parts His next advance was to be Lord-Deputy and Chief Governor of Ireland The affairs of that Realm being in much disorder by the temper of the Popish party there who did not with moderation make use of the Kings Clemency to them in relaxation of the rigor of some penal Statutes He began with the Church in the Reformation of his Kingdom and first procured of the King by the joynt mediation of the Archbishop That all the Impropriations then in the Crown would be restored to the Church in that Nation though to some diminution of the Royal Revenue and advanced Learned men whose Judgments were for Episcopacy He raised in Ireland Eight Regiments for the Kings service each consisting of 1000 men in Ten
yet by his Speeches full of Oaths and Asseverations that we were Traitors and Rebels casting off all Monarchical Government c. He extorted from them four new Subsidies indicta causa before we were heard procured that a War was undertaken and Forces should be levied against us as a rebellious Nation which was also intended to be an example and precedent to the Parliament of England for granting Subsidies and sending a joynt Army for our utter ruine According to his appointment in Parliament the Army was gathered and brought down to the Coast threatning a daily invasion of our Countrey intending to make us a conquered Province and to destroy our Religion Liberties and Laws and thereby laying upon us a necessity of vast charges to keep Forces on foot on the West Coast to wait upon his coming And as the War was denounced and Forces levied before we were heard So before the denouncing of the War our Ships and Goods on the Irish coast were taken and the owners cast in prison and some of them in Irons Frigats were sent forth to scour our Coasts by which they did take some and burn others of our Barques Having thus incited the Kingdom of Ireland and put his Forces in order there against us with all hast he cometh to England In his parting at the giving up of the Sword he openly avowed our utter ruine and desolation in these or the like words If I return to that Honourable Sword I shall leave of the Scots neither root nor branch How soon he cometh to Court as before he had done very evil Office against our Commissioners clearing our proceedings before the point So now he useth all means to stir up the King and Parliament against us and to move them to a present War according to the precedent and example of his own making in the Parliament of Ireland And finding that his hopes failed him and his designs succeeded not that way in his nimbleness he taketh another course that the Parliament of England may be broken up and despising their Wisdom and Authority not only with great gladness accepteth but useth all means that the conduct of the Army in the expedition against Scotland may be put upon him which accordingly he obtaineth as General Captain with power to invade kill slay and save at his discretion and to make any one or more Deputies in his stead to do and execute all the Power and Authorities committed to him According to the largeness of his Commission and Letters Patents of his devising so were his deportments afterwards for when the Scots according to their Declarations sent before them were coming in a peaceable way far from any intention to invade any of His Majesties Subjects and still to supplicate His Majesty for a setled Peace he gave order to his Officers to fight with them on the way that the two Nations once entred in Blood whatsoever should be the success he might escape Trial and censure and his bloody designs might be put in execution against his Majesties Subjects of both Kingdoms When the Kings Majesty was again enclined to hearken to our Petitions and to compose our differences in a peaceable way and the Peers of England convened at York had as before in their great wisdom and faithfulness given unto His Majesty Counsels of Peace yet this Firebrand still smoaketh and in that Honourable Assembly taketh upon him to breath out threatenings against us as Traitors and enemies to Monarchical Government and threatened that we be sent home home again in our blood and he will whip us out of England And as these were his Speeches in the time of the Treaty appointed by His Majesty at Rippon that if it had been possible it might have been broken up So when a cessation of Arms was happily agreed upon there yet he ceaseth not but still his practises were for War his under-Officers can tell who it was that gave them Commission to draw near in Arms beyond the Teese in the time of the Treaty at Rippon The Governor of Berwick and Carlisle can shew from whom they had their Warrants for their Acts of hostility after the cessation was concluded It may be tryed how it cometh to pass that the Ports of Ireland are yet closed our Countreymen for the Oath still kept in Prison Traffique interrupted and no other face of affairs then if no cessation had been agreed upon We therefore desire that your Lordships will represent to the Parliament that this great Incendiary upon these and the like offences not against particular persons but against Kingdoms and Nations may be put to a Tryal and from their known and renowned Justice may have his deserved punishment THis Noble Earl was in person of a tall stature something inclining to stooping in his Shoulders his Hair black and thick which he wore short his countenance of a grave well composed Symetry and good Features only in his Forehead he exprest more Severity than Affability yet a very courteous Person And as he went from the Tower to the Scaffold his Countenance was in a Mild posture between dejection in contrition for Sin and a high Courage without perceiving the least affection of disguise in him He saluted the People as he walked on foot from the Tower to the Scaffold often putting off his Hat unto them sometimes to the right and sometimes to the left hand being apparelled in a Black cloth Suit having White Gloves on his Hands And tho at this time there were gathered together on the great open place on Tower-Hill where the Scaffold stood a numerous croud of people standing as thick as they could by one another over all that great Hill insomuch as by the modest computation they could not be esteemed to be less than 100000 people yet as he went to the Scaffold they uttered no reproachful or reflecting Language upon him He had Three Wives the First the Lady Margaret Clifford Sister to the Earl of Cumberland who left no issue The Second the Lady Arabella Hollis Sister to the Earl of Clare who left him his only Son William now Earl of Strafford and Two Daughters The Third Wife was Daughter to Sir Francis Rhodes of Yorkshire by whom he had one Daughter an Infant at the time of his death On the First of December in the 17th year of the Kings Reign by His Majesties Letters Patents his Son William was restored to all his Fathers Dignities and Titles and was made Knight of the most Noble Order of the Garter having doubled his Paternal Glorys and his own by marrying the worthy Daughter of two incomparable Parents Henrietta Maria the Daughter of Iames Earl of Darby and Charlotte Daughter of Claude Duke de Temoille and Charlotte of Nassaw Daughter to William Prince of Orange A brief Account of his Secretary Slingsby MR. Slingsby his Secretary after the death of this Noble Lord presently left the Kingdom and was received beyond the Seas into the Queens favour and by Her
for the most part Papists tending to the subversion of the Fundamental Laws in England 517 Article XXIII read Wherein he is changed with Words That His Majesty having tryed the Parliament he was loose and absolved from all Rules of Government and was to do every thing that Power would admit c. 518 Article XXIV Read charging him that he declared that the Parliament had forsaken the King in denying to supply him and that the King was not to suffer himself to be mastered by the frowardness of the People 519 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exceptions taken Interlocutory passages Defence and Reply as to that Article 520 to 581 Article XXV read Charging the Earl that the Lord Mayor and Aldermen refusing to certify the Names of such Citizens as were able to lend Money he said they deserved to be put to Fine and Ransome and some of the Alderm hanged up 582 The Charge opened by Mr. Maynard 583 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exceptions taken Interlocutory passages Defence and Reply as to that Article 583 to 587 Article XXVI read Charging him that he did approve of two wicked Projects to seize upon the Bullion and Money in the Mint and embase His Majestys Coyn with a mixture of Brass c. 589 The Charge opened by Mr. Maynard 590 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exceptions taken Interlocutory passages Defence and Reply 590 to 597 c. Article XXVII read Wherein the Earl is charged that he did by his own Authority impose a Tax on His Majestys Subjects for the payment of the Soldiers and caused the same to be levied by force 600 The Article opened by Mr. Maynard 601 The Petition of the Gentry of York read as Evidence 602 Names of Witnesses their Evidence Exceptions taken Interlocutory passages Defence and Reply as to that Article 603 to 627 More passages Interlocutory 629 to 632 Attainder see Act and Bill Bill brought in for continuance of the Parliament 743 Bill of Attainder and Bill for Continuance of the present Parliament passed the Lords House 755 Bill to be drawn up for the Pressing of Mariners 755 A. Bishop of Canterbury settles an inviolable friendship with the Earl 769 The Bishops decline giving their Suffrages in matters criminal 41 Bishops enabled in Ecclesiastical affairs by Warrant from the Earl of Strafford see Art 9. 236 Bishops Iudges c. sent for to attend the King at Whitehall the day before His Majesty consented to pass the Bill of Attainder 756 Bullion in the Mint to be seized see Art 26. 589 C. CLosets placed in Westminster-Hall whither the King Queen and Prince retired 41 Commissioners of Scotland to bring in their proofs against the Earl 18 Commissions granted to the Earl of Worcester and his Son for levying of Horses to be drawn into the Charge against the Earl of Strafford 19 Committee appointed to be present at the private Examination of Witnesses 6 Committee touching the Examination of Members named 14 15 16 A select Committee of both Houses appointed to meet at a Conference concerning the Trial of the Earl 33 Commons House approves of the Petition delivered by certain Peers to the King at York for the calling of a Parliament 6 Right of the Commons in the proceedings in the Lords House in Cases of Impeachment to be considered of by a Committee 21 The Commons to meet only as a Committee of the whole House at the Trial of the Earl and in the House constantly at two of the clock in the afternoon during the time of Trial 42 Names of the Members of the House of Commons who are desired to be present as Witnesses at the Trial of the Earl 44 Conference That all the Ports in Ireland be open 4. Conference about sending for Sir George Ratcliffe a Member of Parliament in Ireland 4 Conference about disbanding the new levied Irish Army 18 Conference to Sequester the Earl from his Offices 20 Conference as to place of Trial as to the persons present as to Conncil and management of the Evidence 34 to 37 Conference is desired with the Lords to know to what purpose the Earls Council should be heard 47 Council of the Earl concerning matters of Law to be to morrow heard in Westminster-Hall 47 In Criminal matters the Bishops decline giving their Suffrages 41. Interlocutory passages about admitting Sir Pierce Crosby to be examined 109 Customs Farmed for the Earls use see Art 10. 241 D. LOrd Digby goes up to the Lords to desire a free Conference concerning Articles against the Earl 9 His Speech to the House of Commons to the Bill of Attainder 50 Sir Kenelm Digby to be removed from Court 42 Lord Dillon's Case of Ireland to be reported by the Committee 19 E. LOrd Viscount Ely his Case in Ireland to be reported by the Committee 19 The Evidence against the Earl to be managed by a Committee of the House of Commons 32 Evidence offered by the House to the Committee to corroborate the latter part of the 23 Article 45 Evidence for the Earl to be recollected by him to morrow which done the managers are to state their Evidence 47 Examinations taken before the Lords to be delivered to the Commons appointed to draw up the Charge against the Earl 19 Examination of the Lord Primate of Ireland debated 44 Exceptions by the Earl and other unnecessary delays to be prevented 43 Exceptions taken by some Members to the Lord Digby's Speech 55 F. FIne and Ransome to be put upon those who refuse to lend Money see Art 25 582. Flax a great quantity thereof in the Earl of Straffords hands c. see Art 13. 416 Forces made use of to Levy Money see Art 25. 426 Forces in Wiltshire Hampshire Kent and Sussex be drawn towards Portsmouth and Dover 740 G. MR. Glyn's Reply 706 to 733 Gondamore an Agent from Spain a sower of Seeds of Distraction among us 765 Col. Goring his Examination 746 His Vindication by Vote of the House 755 H. EArl of Holland General of the Army 751 Lord Hollis his Speech to the Lords to promote the taking a Protestation 741 Hubub in the City that the House was beset and in danger I. IMpeachment against the Earl read 101 He is declared an Incendiary of the War with Scotland see Art 20. 515 The Introductive Speech of Mr. Pym as to the Preamble of the Earls Answer 102 to 109 Petitions and Complaints from Ireland there reported by Mr. Whistler 10 Irish Affairs to be considered of by a Committee of the whole House 1 Irish Remonstrance reported by Mr. Whistler 7 Irish Remonstrance read 11 12 13 New levied Irish Army a Conference about disbanding them 18 42 Irish Army consented by the King to be disbanded 756 Irish Army words spoken c. tending to the bringing the same into England 46 725 E. EArl of Kildare his Case of Ireland to be reported 19 The King declares the Ports in Ireland to be open 6. King Queen and Prince come to their private Closets placed in
Westminster-Hall during the Trial 41 King 's little finger heavier than the loins of the Law see Art 2. 149 King's Letter on behalf of the Earl 757 Sir Robert King a Member of Parliament in Ireland sent for as a Witness against the Earl 4. L. LEtter to Sir Jacob Ashley and Sir John Conyers to prevent a Design to engage the Army against the Parliament 745 Letter from the King to moderate the severity of the Law against the Earl 755 Letter from the Earl to his Secretary Slingsby before his death 774 Loftus Lord Chancellor made a close prisoner see Art 8. 221 Twelve Lords send to His Majesty to shew favour to his innocent Children 758 M. MAriners a Bill to be drawn to enable the pressing of them 755 Members of Parliament in Ireland sent for by the Commons 4 5 6. A Committee touching the Examination of Members of both Houses named 14 15 16 Members make a protestation of Secresie 16 Four Members viz. Mr. Selden Palmer Maynard and Whitlock added to the Committee for the Earl who made their Protestation of Secresie 32 Members appointed to view the place of Trials 39 Members desired by the Earls Petition to be heard as Witnesses 40 Some Members of the Lords House desired by the Commons to be made use of as Witnesses 44 Members names of the House of Commons whom the House desires to be present at the Trial as Witnesses 44 Message from the Lords for a Conference by a Committee of Thirty of their House with a proportionable number of this House touching the examination of Members c. 10 Message to the Lords about disbanding the new levied Irish Army 42 Message to the Lords to appoint a day for the Earl to conclude his Trial 44 Both Houses agree that if the Earl come not to morrow the House of Commons may sum up their Evidence and conclude 45 Message to acquaint the Lords that the Proceedings by Bill stand in no way of opposition to what hath been already done 48 Moneys without Parliament to be raised by force see Art 21. 516 Monopoly made of Tobacco see Art 12. 402 Sir Walter Montague Sir Toby Mathews c. to be removed from Court 42 Lord Montnorris his Case of Ireland to be reported by the Committee Montnorris sentence of death pronounced against him see Art 5. 186 Sentence read 187 Concerning his being put out of possession of his Freehold see Art 6. 205 Multitudes of people assembled in Westminster 742 Petition from them desiring Iustice against the Earl communicated to the Commons ibid. They depart upon the Lords taking the Protestation 742 N. LYsimachus Nicanor his scandalous Pamphlet Printed 770 Earl of Northumberland made General of the Royal Army in England upon whose sickness the Earl of Strafford was made Lieutenant-General Anno 1640. 769 Earl of Northumberland communicates Mr. Percies Letter to the Peers 748 Earl of Northumberland Lord High Admiral of England 769 O. OAth contrived against the Scots in Ireland see Art 19. 489 The like to the Scots in England 503 Offensive War against the Scots urged by the Earl see Art 20. 515 A Troop of Reformed Officers to be disbanded 15 Officers c. Warrant to them see Art 9. 236 P. PAper posted up at Sir William Brunkards House in the Old Palace-yard declaring the names of many persons to be enemies of Iustice 59 Parliament in Ireland declare against the Scots see Art 22. 517 People assemble in multitudes at Westminster 742 Petitions Orders and Books of Entries of Impositions c. sent for out of Ireland 8 Petitions and Complaints of proceedings in Ireland reported 10 Petition of the Parliament of Ireland to the King read 15 Petition of the Earl to examine some Members of this House read 40 Two Petitions of the Citizens of London read 55 One of them concerning Grievances inserted 56 Petition from a multitude of people at Westminster desiring Iustice against the Earl communicated to the Commons 742 A discovery in the Petition of Soldiers to be brought into the Tower ibid. Father Philips's Letter to Mr. Walter Montague read 751 He is called to the Bar and is impeached 752 Mr. Piercy's Letter concerning the Plot 748 to 750 Mr Piercy and Sir John Suckling voted to be guilty of High Treason 754 Plot discovered in England 735 Upon which the House resolves on a Protestation ibid. Preamble thereunto ibid. The Protestation read 736 Names of the Protestors 736 to 740 The Plot still suspected to be carried on 740 Ports in Ireland to be open 46 1500 Barrels of Powder gone to Portsmouth to be stayed 740 Lord Primate of Ireland his Examination debated 44 Proceedings by way of Bill no way in opposition to what hath been already done 48 Proclamation to issue out against Sir George Ratcliffe if he appear not at the day limited 16 Proclamation by the Earl commanding the Nobility to reside in Ireland see Art 16. 460. Protestation of Secresie taken by the Members 16 The same taken by the four Members added to the Committee for the Earl 32 Protestation of the Lords denying that they did approve of the Earls raising Money in Yorkshire 37 38 Protestation resolved on by the House upon the discovery of the Plot in England 735 Carried up to the Lords to take the same 741 Mr. Hollis's Speech to the Lords to promote the taking thereof 742 The Protestation taken by the Lords and the multitude depart ibid. Q. THe Queen came to her private Closet in Westminster-Hall during the Trial 41 Queen-Mother apprehending her self in danger of the Multitude Mr. Martyn moved the House that she may depart the Kingdom 758 R. LOrd Ranelaghs debate about his Examination 174 Not to be examined 175 Sir George Ratcliffe not to speak with or write to the Earl of Strafford 15 A Proclamation to issue out against him if he appear not at the day limited 16 Articles of High-Treason voted against him 17 Records of Attainder a Committee appointed to search those Cases in the Kings-Bench 7 Reformado-Officers to be disbanded 15 Remonstrance of Ireland reported by Mr. Whistler 7 Remonstrance of the House of Commons in Ireland read 11 12 13 114. No Replication to be put in to the Earls Answer 32 Strafford A Committee of Irish Affairs of the whole House designed in order to his Accusation 1 He is in a great Dilemma in the North 2 His intended Impeachment of some Members disappointed ibid. He is accused of High-Treason 3 Sequestred from the Parliament and Committed to the Black Rod ibid. Examination of Witnesses to be taken previous to his Tryal in the presence of some of the Commons 6 Records of Attainder in the Kings Bench to be search'd in order to a Bill of Attainder 7 Irish Remonstrance reported which reflected on his proceedings in Ireland 7 and 10 Petitions Orders and Books of Proceedings upon Paper-Petitions and of Entries relating to the Custom-House in Ireland sent for 7 8 Articles in maintainance of the Accusation of the said Earl 8
concerning the Earl of Strafford shall be Heads of that Conference and that Committee is to manage the Conference Sir Philip Stapleton brings Answer from the Lords That their Lordships do expect His Majesty at their House this Morning and that so soon as His Majesty shall be gone they will send Answer by Messengers of their own Thursday February 18th 1640. The Lords desired a Conference by a Committee of both Houses concerning the Sequestring of Thomas Earl of Strafford from his Offices presently in the Painted Chamber if it may stand with the conveniency of this House To which Answer was returned That they will give a meeting presently for a free Conference Mr. Pym Reports the free Conference Upon Mr. Pyms Report It was Ordered That this Committee viz. Sir Walter Earle Sir Io. Culpepper Mr. Hollis Mr. Solicitor Mr. Vaughan Mr. Hyde Mr. Pym Mr. Maynard Mr. Selden Mr. Palmer Mr. Whitlock Sir Simon D'Ewes Mr. Whistler Mr. Glyn and Mr. Hampden Do take into Consideration the whole matter of the Report of the free Conference now made by Mr. Pym and also what concerns the Right of the Commons in the Proceedings in the Lords House against the Earl of Strafford and what Concerns the Kingdom in general and the Legality of these Proceedings and they are likewise to Consider What is fit for the Commons to claim in Causes of Impeachment and they are to meet this Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the Treasury Chamber Friday February 19th 1640. That the Committee for the Earl of Strafford shall have Liberty to open all Letters directed to Sir George Ratcliff and if they find it worthy the knowledge of the House they are to acquaint the House therewith Ordered That the Committee appointed to consider of the Proceedings in the Lords House against Thomas Earl of Strafford do meet this Afternoon at Two of the Clock in the Treasury Chamber Tuesday February 23. 1640. A Message from the Lords desiring a present Conference by a Committee of both Houses in the Painted-Chamber if it may stand with the convenience of this House concerning the Conference that was Yesterday touching the Proceedings against Thomas Earl of Strafford Answer returned by the same Messenger That this House hath taken into Consideration their Lordships Message and will give a meeting for a free Conference as is desired Mr. Glyn Reports from the Conference That the Lord Keeper delivered the Lords Answer in these words viz. First That We shall admit him no further use of Council than the necessity of the Case for his just Defence requireth and wherein Council may with the Justice and Honour of this House be afforded him Secondly That there shall be no delay in Proceedings but all Expedition used according to their own desires Wednesday February 24th 1640. A Message from the Lords desiring a Conference by a Committee of both Houses touching the Answer of Thomas Earl of Strafford presently if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House Answer returned by the same Messengers That this House will give a meeting presently as is desired Mr. Solicitor Mr. Maynard Mr. Pym Mr. Reynolds Mr. Palmer and Mr. Hampden Are appointed Reporters of the Conference Mr. Solicitor Reports from the Conference That Yesterday was the day the Lords had prefixed for my Lord of Strafford to give in his Answer that accordingly he was there and had given it in and that this Answer which now they had delivered to the Commons was the Answer which the Earl of Strafford was to stand or fall by The engrossed Answer and a Copy of it were both delivered in by the Reporters and was desired that when the Copy was perfectly examined the Original might be delivered to the Clerk of their House Ordered That Mr. Speaker be here this Afternoon at One of the Clock and that the Earl of Strafford's Answer may then be read and considered of The same day in the Afternoon the several Articles of the further Impeachment of Thomas Earl of Strafford by the Commons were all read and to every of the said Articles the particular and several Answers of the said Earl were likewise read The Answer held three hours reading being above 200 sheets of Paper too long to be here inserted yet take an exact Abstract of the said Answer to the Articles exhibited against him which are as followeth Answers to 28 special Articles To the First Article he saith He conceives that the Commission and Instruction differ not from those formerly granted but refers to them and that such Alterations and Additions as were made were for ought he knoweth rather for the explanation than for the enlarging of the Jurisdiction the Care whereof was left to the Secretary of that Council and to the King 's Learned Council to be passed for the good of the King's Service and the Publick Welfare of that Province for Legality of the Proceedings divers eminent Lawyers were joyned with the President who for the Legal parts was by them to be directed He did not advise or procure the enlargement of the Commission and Instructions and he believeth nothing hath been practiced since that was not in former Times contained in former Commissions under general words He believeth Sir Conyers Darcy was lawfully Fined for Misdemeanors as a Justice of Peace and hath heard he being in Ireland that Sir Iohn Boucher was Fined for some great Abuse at the Kings being at York going into Scotland to be Crowned to the Proceedings he refers himself He denies that he hath done any thing by that Commission or Instruction other than he conceived he might by virtue thereof lawfully do To the Second Article He denieth the speaking of those words but saith That 30 40 l. or more being returned as Issues out of the Exchequer against some that had compounded for Knighthood for 10 l. or 20 l. so as the Issues far exceeded the Composition and yet would next time have been increased The said Earl upon this occasion said That now they might see that the little Finger of the Law was heavier than the King's Loins which he spake to nourish good Affections in them towards His Majesty and not to threaten or terrifie any as the Article is supposed To the Third Article he saith Ireland is not Governed by the same Laws that this Kingdom is unless it be meant by the Common Laws their Customs Statutes Execution of Martial Laws Proceedings at Council-Board very much differ they spake not the words in the Article to any such intent He saith It might be fit enough for him to remember them of the great Obligation they had to the King and His Progenitors that suffered them being a Conquer'd Nation to enjoy Freedom and Laws as their own people of this Kingdom and it might be that upon some such occasion he said to those of Dublin That some of their Charters were void and nothing worth and did not bind His Majesty farther than He pleased which he