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A34574	Stafford's memoires, or, A brief and impartial account of the birth and quality, imprisonment, tryal, principles, declaration, comportment, devotion, last speech, and final end of William, late Lord Viscount Stafford, beheaded on Tower-hill Wednesday the 29. of Decemb. 1680 whereunto is annexed a short appendix concerning some passages in Stephen Colledges tryal / the whole now again set forth for a more ample illustration of that so wonderfully zealous pamphlet entituled The papists bloody aftergame, writ in answer to the said Memoirs, and published by Langley Curtis, 1682.	Corker, James Maurus, 1636-1715.; Curtis, Langley, fl. 1668-1725.	1682 (1682)	Wing C6306A; ESTC R40876	92,519	237

Stafford's Memoires OR A Brief and Impartial Account OF THE BIRTH and QUALITY Imprisonment Tryal Principles Declaration Comportment Devotion Last Speech and FINAL END OF WILLIAM LATE Lord Viscount STAFFORD Beheaded on Tower-hill Wednesday the 29. of Decemb. 1680. Whereunto is annexed a short APPENDIX concerning some Passages in STEPHEN COLLEDGES TRYAL The whole now again set forth for a more ample Illustration of that so wonderfuly Zealous Pamphlet Entituled The Papists Bloody After-Game writ in Answer to the said MEMOIRS And Published by Langley Curtis 1682. Contraria juxta se posita magis elucescunt London Printed in the Year 1682. THE PUBLISHER TO THE READER IT is the Common Fate of all Treatises writ in Matters of Contest by Opposite Parties That whilst the One is read without the other neither of both are rightly understood There came forth not long since in Answer to this Treatise call'd Stafford●s Memoires a Pamphlet Entituled The Papists Bloudy After-game Composed by a zealous Protestant-Dissenter and obtruded upon the Vulgar even to Nauseousness on every Bookseller's Stall This Pamphlet we confess hath had the misfortune to be generally reguarded no otherwise then as a meer Bundle of Hideously Rude and Scurrilous Barbarismes and Calumnies proceeding from the Malice and Fury of a Man baffled in Judgment and despairing of success from Sense and Reason Whilst on the other side the Memoires though they hardly appear'd in open view have yet gain'd the Reputation of Modest in expression Impartial in Matter Convincing in Proof and Innoffensive in Stile It is true these so differrent Characters seem to the Godly Party no wise applicable to the desert of either of the Authors The rather because the One of them though abounding alas in Passion and Cholor is yet to be Commended for his exceeding zeal against the Popish Plot And the Other by his reservedness in being exposed and shrewd Arguments made in defence of the Papists Innocence hath given no small umbrage of Suspicion he yeildeth not that Implicit Faith and deference to the Testimony of the Kings Witnesses as may clear him from the Imputation of Popishly affected Nevertheless so it is we know not how the Memoires are grateful and the Pamphlet odious to all indifferent Readers Nay some will needs say though we piously believe otherwise The framing of this Pamphlet was a meer Sham-Plot contriv'd by th' Jesuits on purpose to advance the Credit of the Memoires and Prejudice a good Cause by an Ill Vindication But 't is hoped there will shortly be Printed something by way of an Apology in behalf of the Pamphleteer In the mean while That the two Antagonists may stand in equal Balance and both be impartially submitted to each judicious Censure see the scope of our Present Design The Memoires are here made Publick The Pamphlet being already obvious to every Eye and Ear. THE Introduction IT is a wonder to see how Passion and Interest predominate over Reason in Mankind Nothing is done nothing said without some tincture of either or both Even common Occurrences are usually related as Men would have them to be rather then as they are Plain-dealing is almost fled And and all things now a days whether Private or Publick Sacred or Prophane are according to different Inclinations without regard to Truth promiscuously made the Subject of a Satyr or Panegirick An obvious example of this we have in the several Accounts given of the Tryal Declaration Demeanor and Death of the late Lord Stafford concerning whose Tragedy though acted for the most part in the face of the whole Nation yet there have flown about in a manner as many and those contradictory Stories as there are Relaters and such as know least commonly talk most to compleat the Error It is true the Printed Tryal set forth by Authority is no wise liable to these gross mistakes But it hath swelled in the Press by forms c. To so vast a volumn that few can spare either money to buy it or time to read it Besides it is in a manner silent of matters chiefly designed for the Subject of this Treatise viz. My Lords Comportment Declaration Devotion Last Speech and other Occurrences which happened inclusively from the time of his Tryal to his final End Having therefore attained to a most exact and certain knowledge of these particulars I shall for the satisfaction of the curious and manifestation of Truth give together with an abstract of the whole Tryal and some occurrences concerning it a plain and sincere relation of what I know and can by unquestionable Evidence justifie to be true And herein I shall also totally abstain from any the least moralizing upon transactions whereby to forestal the Readers Judgment But contenting my self with a plain and candid Relation of things as I find them leave every one to the freedom of his own censure and verdict upon them SECT I. My Lord's BIRTH Education QUALITY c. WIlliam Howard Viscount Stafford was second Son to Thomas Earl of Arundel and Uncle to the now Duke of Norfolk In his youth he was Educated with all Care and Industry imaginable to improve in him the Endowments of Nature and Grace And to speak truth he was ever held to be of a Generous Disposition very Charitable Devout addicted to Sobriety inoffensive in his words and a lover of Justice When he arrived to years of maturity he married Mary descended from the antient Dukes of Buckingham Grand-child to Edward and Sister and sole Heiress to Henry Lord Stafford To whose Title he succeeded being created by the late King Charles of Glorious Memory Baron Anno 1640. And soon after Viscount Stafford During the time of the late bloudy Rebellion he suffer'd much for his Loyalty to the King Always behaving himself with that courage and constancy as became a Nobleman a good Christian and a faithful Subject After His present Majesties joyful Restauration he lived in Peace Plenty and Happiness Being blessed with a most virtuous Lady to his Wife and many pious and dutiful Children In which state he remain'd till the 66. year of his age when happened this Revolution of his fortune as follows SECT II. My Lords Imprisonment Charge and Arraignment c. ABout Michaelmas Anno 1678. Mr. Titus Oates formerly a Minister of the Church of England accus'd upon Oath before the King and Council not long after also before the two Houses of Parliament several Roman Catholicks some Persons of Quality and amongst the rest the Lord Viscount Stafford of High Treason for intending and designing the Death of the King the introducing of Popery and subversion of the Government c. My Lord though he immediately heard of this Impeachment yet relying as he said on his own Innocence never left his Family nor withdrew himself from his ordinary known Acquaintance and Affairs till the 25 th of October 78. when by Warrant from the Lord Chief Justice he was sent Prisoner to the Kings Bench and from thence soon after

the same October the News of Sir Edmundbury Godfreys Death was spread about the Countrey and seemed to take it's first rice from Tixal UPon these several Evidences the Managers made these Observation● First Mr. Sambidge was something D●a● and might 〈◊〉 hear when Dugdale told● him the News of the Death of a Justice of Peace Secondly Mr. Philips the Parson being perhaps very Studious in his Employment might be wanting in point of Memory Thirdly The other Witnesses produc'd in Confirmation of Dugdale's Evidence make it out that he did impart the News at the time place and in the presence of the parties above-mentioned To which the Papists answer To the first If what the Managers alledge be true then is Dugdale here also proved Perjur'd by the Managers themselves For he expresly Swore at the said Tryal of Sir George Wakeman That Mr. Sambidge both heard and answer'd him Saying He heard nothing of the News before To the second No honest man affirms or denies any past words or actions but according as he remembers and to pretend want of Memory in a direct Evidence is the common Road whereby to evade all humane Testimony To the third The other Witnesses on behalf of Dugdale do in no sort make out the thing for which they are produced For Ansel doth not own that Philips and Sambigde were so much as in the same Room with Dugdale when he mentioned the death of a Justice of Peace Hanson indeed herein contradicting Ansel tells us they were in the Room but could not say they heard must less answered to the discourse of Dugdale which is the chief matter of Perjury here charged upon him As for what Mr. Birch and Turton declar'd concerning the Rumour soon after spread of the Death of Sir Edmundbury Godfrey it nothing at all Enervates the present proof of Perjury seing it may well be true there was such a report and yet false that Dugdale had such a discourse with Sambidge and Philips as he positively Swears and they both as positively deny But enough hath been already said upon this Subject where we treated of the Death of Sir Edmundbury Godfrey Fifthly Dugdale in an Information given upon Oath Swore That presently after one Howard Almoner to the Queen went beyond the Seas he was told by George Hobson then Servant to the Lord Aston That there was a Design intended for the Reformation of the Government to the Popish Religion Now it was owned and acknowledged in Court point blank contrary to this Information That the said Hobson was not Servant to the Lord Aston nor known by Dugdale three years after the departure of the said Almoner out of England UPon this proof of Dugdale's Perjury the Managers made this Observation viz That Dugdale 's words cited in the Information are capable of two senses either they may import Hobson told him there was a Design ever since the Almoner went away Or they may import Hobson told him presently after the Almoner went away there was a Design The first sense may refer to the matter told The second to the time when old The words taken in the first sense argue no contradiction in Dugdale's Testimony To which the Papists answer The words of the Information taken in their plain obvious and connatural sense clearly import Hobson related to Dugdale there was a Design which relation Hobson made to Dugdale presently after the time one Howard went beyond the Seas Nor can any other construction be put upon the wo● without manifestly wresting hem●m their Genuine signification as every impartial Reader may see So that the proof here given of Du●da●e's Perjury is unanswerable THe third ma●n Exception made by my Lord against Dugdale's Deposition was That he being conscious of his ill grounded Evidence had endeavoured to Suborn divers Persons to make false Oaths That so he might strengthen his own by others Perjury To make good this Exception Samuel Holt a Protestant attested That Dugdale desiring to speak privately with him told him If he would Swear that Walter Moore carried Mr. Evers away he would give him Forty Pounds bidding him not be affraid to Swear for fear of my Lord Aston for he would hire him an Horse to get to London and place him so that where he now got one Shilling he should th●n get Five William Robinson attested That meeting with Dugdale about a twelve month ago he the said Dugdale perceiving Robinson to be then Dejected and Poor endeavoured to corrupt him by giving him a Treat and assuring him H● should not want Money if he would please to be ruled by him Then he ●ook an Handkerchief out of his Pocket wherein there seemed to be about ten Pounds and bid him If he wanted take Money there ●nd lastly told him He could furnish ●n wi●h Money and put him in a way to get Money if he would come in a●●dence against my ●ord Stafford When Robinson refus'd ●o ●o 〈◊〉 knowing my Lord or any thing of him John Morral a Barber gave attestation in these words Mr. Dugdale the 6th of August last was twelve month sent for me to the White Horse in Ridgley and there when I came to him he told me I knew as much of the Plot as he I told him I was Innocent of the thing He Swore God dam him I knew as much as he Then I told him If he knew no more of it then I did he knew no more then my Lord Mayors great Horse did Then he took me aside Come said he you are a poor Man and live poorly I can put you in a way whereby you may live Gallantly I will give you Fifty pounds in hand if so be you will Swear against Mr. Howard Sir James Simmons Mr. Herbert Aston and other Gentlemen of the Countrey that they were at such Meetings at Mr. Herbert Astons upon the Conspiracy of the Plot. To take off the Credit of the two first Witnesses in this matter viz Holt and Robinson nothing material being objected against Morral or his Evidence the Managers produced Witnesses to prove they were Persons of evil reputation Against Holt one Sampson Rawlins a Taylor deposed That Holt was a Drunken lewd Fellow That he heard him say There were none but Rogues would take Dugdale's part That he stole some Bottles of Wine out of my Lord Astons Celler That he call'd him the said Kawlins Rogue because he came up in His Majesties Service and would have Murdered him because he took Dugdales part Against Robinson the Earl of Macklesfield and Mr. Booth a Parliament-Man both deposed That Robinson was a Person of Evil and Prophane Conversation making a practice of Cheating at Dice Cock-fighting c. That he own'd himself upon Examination to be a Rogue And had no other Imployment or Livlyhood To these unquestionable Evidences against Robinson my Lord reply'd He knew nothing of Robinson before and added it was very observable That Dugdale knowing it seems his Friend and Comrade Robinson

the pretended Discoveries For proof of all which my Lord produced these Witnesses Mr. Sandbidge an Old Man and a Protestant attested That Dugdale was a Knave and notorious● known both by him and all the Countrey to be a Wicked Man Thomas Sawyer attested Dugdale went from my Lord Astons involv'd in deep Debts That whilst he was Bayliff to my Lord Aston he receiv'd and plac'd to my Lord's Account several Work-mens Wages which he never paid to the said Work-men Whereupon great Clamours and Complaints were made of him in the Countrey That being Arrested for Debt my Lord Aston would not own him for his Servant at which Dugdale Swore He would be reveng'd on him The same thing as to Dugdal's sinister dealing His being in Debt Imprison'd and Dissown'd by the Lord Aston were attested by Sir Walter Baggot Mr. Whitby a Justice of Peace and Mr. Phillips Minister of Tixal From hence my Lord drew a second Inference viz. That had the Lord Aston and the rest been Guilty as Dugdale accus'd th●m it was highly Improbable the said Lord should adventure to Exasperate Discard and leave to Goal and Ruin a Man at whose mercy they all lay and who might to retrieve his desperate Fortune by making Discoveries utterly destroy both their Designs and them To confront the Testimony of the foregoing Witnesses the Managers produced others in favour of Dugdale And as to the matters of 〈◊〉 Debts and Beggery Mr. Noble Stephen Colledge the Protestant Joyner lately Executed for High-Treason at Oxford and Mr. Boson a Lawyer depos'd That at Dugdale's entreaty they went with him to the Tower to assist him in adjusting his Accounts with the Lord Aston but could not accomplish it by reason my Lord would not till the return of a certain Councellour out of the Countrey let them see a Book wherein Dugdale said his Discharges were And that Dugdale told them my Lord Aston was Indebted to him things rightly stated 200 l. To this my Lord Stafford reply'd He should have something to say And desir'd the Lord Aston might be admitted to give an account of this matter But it was answer'd That the Lord Aston stood Indicted for the same Treason and could not be a Witness Then my Lord desir'd Mr. Lievtenant of the Tower might speak what he knew Hereupon Mr. Lievtenant declar'd That the Lord Aston would have come to an account with Dugdale in his the Lievtenants presence But that Dugdale put it off and said he would come some other time But from that time to this he never heard of him UPon these Testimonies the Managers made these following Observations First It was manifest from several Circomstances that Dugdale went not away from Tixall for Debt as seems here to be pretended but for fear of being apprehended for the Plot which argues he was then Conscious of his own Guilt in that matter Secondly Whereas Sawyer attests that Dugdale Swore he would be revenged on my Lord Aston because he would not own him for his Servant when Arrested for Debt If this were true yet seeing this Revenge was not intended against my Lord Stafford but against my Lord Aston It is Impertinent to be urged against Dugdale's present Evidence To which the Papists Answer To the first It is no wonder if at a time when Roman Catholicks were Vniversally suspected and persecuted on account of the Plot Dugdale though not Conscious of any Guilt either in himself or others Yet being then a Catholick and hitherto undetermined to set up for an Evidence was in some apprehension of coming into trouble and might therefore withdraw upon that Score But what is that to the present purpose Is it not also undeniably proved here That Dugdale was in Debt That for Debt he was arrested and Imprisoned That for his Misdemeanors and not for Religion he was discarded by his Master That at last Beggery had surrounded him Revenge possessed h●m and Desperation Seizing him If this hath been clearly proved 't is no hard matter to judge what was his End and aim in making his Discovevies And my Lords further Inferences hereupon are Solid and Good To the second The Evidence given of Dugdale 's Revenge was not produced as if the said Revenge was chiefly intended against my Lord Stafford but only to shew that Dugdale was now upon the point of bidding adieu to Conscience and Honesty And desirous to satisfie at once both his Malice and Penury He contrived his Plot after the Model given him by Oates and Bedlow wherein he accused some out of Revenge and others amongst whom my Lord Stafford as the most proper Persons to compleat the Number of Actors in his Tragick Farce IN defence of Dugdale's Reputation in point of Honesty Mr. Whitby declared that Dugdale had been long my Lord Aston's Servant received my Lord's Rents made his Bargains and Governed the rest of the Family That he dealt honestly with him That he had heard indeed some Trades-men complain he put them off without Money and would not pay them But that my Lord would hear nothing against him William Southal a Coroner deposed that he knew no ill of Mr. Dugdale that he was the Lord Aston's Bayliff and had a good repute with all those People who had dependence on the Family But that he himself never had any business with him Then he the said Southal gave a large relation how he had perswaded Dugdale being then in Custody for Debt to Discover the Plot By putting him in mind of his Duty and Allegiance to the King and assuring him if he would make a timely Discovery he should not only obtain His Najesty's Gracious Pardon but also a Reward of Two Hundred Pounds By force of which Argument Dugeale at last assented to make Discoveries and accordingly gave in his several Depositions first in the Countrey before two Justices of the Peace afterwards before the Council and lastly before the two Houses of Parliament Concerning this Southal the Lord Ferrers informed the Court That he had been very active against the King in the late Wars and had the Repute of a Pernicious Man against the Government To Impunge which information the Lord Brook declared in behalf of Southal that his Mother had employed him and found him honest in their Affairs And Mr. Gower Farther testified That he found Southal extraordinary zealous in prosecuting the Papists UPon these Evidences the Managers made these Observations First Mr. Whitby not only declares that Dugdale had deal● honestly by him But that my Lord Aston himself would hear nothing against him Secondly It is not always the Stewards fault if workmen to great Persons sometimes want their Wages Thirdly Mr. Southal an understanding zealous man had with much difficulty and strong Arguments the good fortune at last to succeed in perswading Mr. Dugdale to make a fair and plain Discovery of the whole Plot to the great happiness not only of Mr. Dugdale but of the whole Nation To

which the Papists answer To the first Though Dugdale perhaps dealt honestly with Mr. Whitby yet he might be a Knave and deal dishonestly with other People for all that And if my Lord Aston refused to hear any thing against him this very refusal argues there were Complaints made of him And my Lord himself in time both gave Ear to his Crimes and Discarded him for them as is already proved To the second Those Stewards who receiving Moneys of their Masters to pay Poor Labourers their Wages shall as Dugdale did Defraud them of it the better to defray their own Extravagant Expences are no honest Men. To the third The Papists do not understand to what purpose this Testimony of Southal 's is here produced for it is granted That Dugdale being in Goal and brought to Extremity did after much Struggling and Reluctancy of Conscience abandon his Soul to Perjury And conceiving fair hopes of Success by the prosperous adventures of Oates and Bedlow by the present promise of 200 l. and by the perswasion of Southal a notorious Cromwellian at last plung'd himself into deep and horrid Oaths not only Incredible but Morally impossible to be true THe second weighty Exception made by my Lord against Dugdale's Deposition was That he had directly and palpably Perjured himself in divers parts and circumstances of his said Deposition For instance of this First Dugdale now Swears He had an exact knowledge and deep concern in the Plot. He was not only a Confident but an Assistant in raising Armies Killing the King c. Now my Lord prov'd by several Irrefragable Witnesses That the said Dugdale had before at sundry times and on sundry occasions with dreadful Oaths and Execrations professed he knew nothing of any such thing The Witnesses were these Sir Walter Baggot and Mr. Kinnersley both Parliament-men attested That Dugdale being Examin'd before them and other Justices of the Peace though he then took the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy in their Presence yet absolutely deny'd any knowledge of the Plot. Mr. Whitgrave also a Justice of the Peace attested That he earnestly pressed and encouraged Dugdale to make a Discovery of what he knew telling him Now he had taken the Oaths they look'd upon him as one of them and that he would do him all the Kindness he could To which Dugdale answer'd Truly for his part though he had the misfortune to Live amongst Papists yet he never lik'd their Religion Then Mr. Whitgrave urg'd him home saying Sir you may do your self a kindness and oblige your King and Countrey I am confident you know of this Horrid Plot pray do not stifle your Conscience with an Oath of Secrecy Let it come out Dugdale reply'd As he hoped to be saved he knew nothing of it Thomas Sawyer attested That two or three days before Dugdale began to Impeach being then at Stafford under the Serjeants Hands for Debt he took a Glass of Drink in the presence of Sawyer and said Thomas I wish this may be my Damnation and my Poison if I know of any Plot or Priest UPon these Evidences the Mannagers made this Observation viz. That Dugdale's denying and with Execrations Forswearing any knowledge of the Plot is no manner of Objection for he Forswore it at a time when he never intended to reveal it and was in danger of his own Life but afterwards he changed his mind and discover'd all to Southal and others To which the Papists answer It is very strange so palpable a Perjury prov'd upon Dugdale by so Substantial Witnesses in the whole System and Essence of his Testimony should be so slightly evaded Is it no manner of Objection to prove that Dugdale is Forsworn in his whole Discovery Must Credit be given to the Depositions of a Man in a matter whereof he himself with dreadful Oaths and Execrations hath often protested the contrary Is the Conviction of Perjury by the Testimony of his own Mouth nothing Why because out of fear in his former Oaths he never intended to Swear Truth Is this a Rational answer Nay is it not rather perfectly demonstrative from what is already prov'd that for Fear for Lucre for Revenge for Liberty this Man hath actually Sworn to express Contradictions and will not stick upon the same motives to Swear any thing SEcondly Dugdale had determinately Sworn at Sir George Wakeman's Tryal as my Lord prov'd by two Substantial Witnesses the Lady Marchioness of Winchester and Madam Howard that the Meeting or Consult at Tixal mention●d in the Deposition wherein my Lord is said to have been present and Consenting to the Killing of the King was held precisely in the Month of August 78. Now my Lord prov'd he never was at or near Tixal during that whole Month nor came thither till the 12 th of September following This he shew'd by giving an exact Account where he was every Week and Day throughout that Month. The Witnesses who gave respective Evidence to each particular time and place were the Marquess of Worcester the Marchioness of Winchester Mr. Bonny White and Bevan Servants to the said Marquess UPon these Testimonies the Mannagers made these Observations First The two Ladies who gave Evidence to Dugdale's words spoken at Sir George Wakeman's Tryal were Roman Catholicks and Relations to my Lord. Secondly They did not agree in their Evidence with one another The Lady Marchioness saying Dugdale Swore that my Lord Stafford was to come down into Stafford shire in June or July and was present at the Consult at Tixal in August Madam Howard saying Dugdale Swore my Lord Stafford did come down into Stafford-shire in June or July and was present at the Consult at Tixal in August Thirdly The said Ladies having much concern upon them for Sir George Wakeman the Popish Physitian they might easily mistake in what they heard Fourthly In the Printed Tryal there are no such words of Dugdale's mentioned To which the Papists answer To the first The two Ladies though Roma● Catholicks are Persons o● that Qulity and known Vertue as admit of no Comparison in point of Credit with the Witnesses produced against my Lord. That to Vilify my Lord's Witnesses because Roman Catholicks is contrary to Law and denotes an Exasperated mind willing to deprive Catholicks of a Just Defence To the second The different manner or Phrase the Ladies us'd in expressing themselves in point of Circumstance is not at all material seeing they both joyntly agree and determinately attest That Dugdale Swore my Lord was at Tixal in August and then and there present at the Consult Which was the Substantial thing wherein my Lord proveth him Perjur'd To the third A deep concern occasioneth an Attention rather then a Mistake And a pretence of a mistake in a positive Witness is an Evasion whereby any Verbal Testimony whatsoever may be eluded To the fourth Catholicks have Experience that many considerable matters have been omitted or otherwise inserted in the Printed Tryals to the disadvantage

of their Cause And as those Printed Copies though Pleaded were never allowed to be good Evidence for them so ought they not to be alledged against them THirdly Dugdale Swears in his Deposition That at Tixal on the 20 th or 21 st of September 78 My Lord sent for him by one of h●s Servants to his Cham●er in the Morning whilst he was Dressing which Servant also Dugdale Swears was either Mr. Furnesse my Lords Gentleman or George Leigh his Page And that when Dugdale came into the Chamber my Lord sent out his said Servants and being thus with him alone Offer'd him five hundred Pounds to Kill the King In direct opposition to these particulars my Lord prov'd by the Attestation of the self-same Servants Mr. Furnesse and George Leigh That he never sent for Dugdale never was with him alone in his Chamber nor never dismissed his Servants for that end all that Morning For the Evincing of which Mr. Furnesse my Lords Gentleman attested That he about eight a Clock that Morning coming to my Lords Chamber met Dugdale in the Hall Dugdale desired him he would Intreat my Lord to Intercede to the Lord Aston his Master in his behalf that he might go to Etching Race Hereupon Furnesse went into my Lords Chamber and having spoken to my Lord as Dugdale desir'd my Lord bid him be called in accordingly Furnesse conducted Dugdale into the Chamber when he came in my Lord asked him several questions about the Race telling him he himself would bett Twenty Pounds for Staffordshire sake Then after some discourse to this purpose my Lord Stafford told him he would speak to his Lord for him during all which time Furnesse was present in the Chamber together with my Lord and Dugdale and heard the di●course between them When Dugdale had obtained his request he went out of my Lords Chamber leaving Furnesse still there my Lord also as soon as he was drest went out of h●s Chamber to my Lord Aston to ask him leave for Dugdale bidding Furnesse make himself ready to go to the Race Furnesse accordingly made h●mself ready about Nine a Clock and coming down the Back-stairs my Lord Stafford met him Go said he to Etching-hill and see what Betts there are and take Stephen Dugdale along with you to shew you the way for I have ask'd his Lord leave for him to go Upon this Dugdale having now leave went along with Furnesse to the Stable and took Horse Furnesse his Horse was not ready but he overtook Dugdale within half a Mile and they arriv'd at the Race together about 12. a Clock My Lord himself with other Persons of Quality came to the Race not long after and return'd back to Tixal about seven at Night The same Mr. Furnesse and George Leigh both attested That my Lord never sent either of them for Dugdale That he never bid them go out of the Chamber or absent themselves whilst Dugdale alone remain'd with him No nor did they know that my Lord was ever alone with Dugdale either that Morning or in his whole Life To Infringe the last Particle of this last Evidence the Managers produc'd these Witnesses Mr. Hanson Deposed That he once saw Dugdale with my Lord in the Parlour at Tixal but durst not be positive whether they were alone or not William Ansell Deposed That passing through the Court at Tixal he saw my Lord walking with Dugdale That he heard no Discourse between them That there might be more in the Company but he saw no more And lastly added that talking one day with Dugdale about the Plot Dugdale answered God Blast him if he knew any thing of it UPon these Evidences the Managers made these Observations First My Lords two Witnesses Furnesse and Leigh were his own Servants Secondly They were very positive in a matter hard to remember viz. That Dugdale never was in my Lords Company And therefore that easie Credit should not be given to them but rather to Hanson and Ansell who both Swear that they have seen my Lord and Dugdale together To which the Papists answer These common Sophisms and weak Objections made to the Convincing Evidence here given by my Lord in Confutation of the main matter laid to his Charge argue the Managers at a loss for an Answer To the first Whom could my Lord produce but his Servants to contradict the Falsities of a man that pretends to have heard him speak Treason whilst he was Dressing in his Bed-Chamber Are Honest Servants because Servants no good Witnesses To the second Though it should be granted that at other times and upon other occasions Dugdale might have been in my Lord's Company either unknown to his Servants or not remembred by them or even by my Lord himself which is the utmost of what the Testimony of Hanson and Ansell can amount to yet this doth not at all weaken my Lord's Evidence nor clear Dugdale from Perjury herein For the cheif things which my Lord 's two Servants well remembred distinctly Attested and by most remarkable Circumstances fully proved was That my Lord did not send either of them for Dugdale nor was Dugdale alone with my Lord in his Chamber on the 21 st of September in the Morning On all which particulars Dugdale laid the ●tress of his Evidence and here it is he is directly Perjured FOurthly Dugdale at the forenamed Tryal of Sir George Wakeman positively Swore as my Lord proved by two Witnesses Mr. Gyfford and Mr. ●ydcot both present at the said Tryal That he the said Dugdale having received a Letter on the 14th of October which mentioned the death of a Justice of Peace did the same day at an Ale-house in Tixal impart the Contents of the said Letter to Mr. Sambidge Kinsman to my Lord Aston And Mr Philips Minister of Tixal And that they answered They heard nothing of it before Now to confute this my Lord produc●d for Witnesses the same Mr. Sambidge and Mr. Philips Mr. Sambidge protested upon his Sala● Dugdale never told him any such 〈…〉 Nor did he ever hear of it till 〈…〉 ●y or Saturday Sir Edmund●●frey was found at Bury Hill ●ilips attested That he never heard of it either by Letter or Word of Mouth from Dugdale or any other till the death of Sir Edmundbury Godfrey was publickly known To ballance this Evidence the Managers produced these Witnesses Mr. Ansel deposed That at the Ale-house and day abovenamed he heard Mr. Dugdale mention the death of a Justice of Peace Mr. Sambidge and Mr. Philips being then both in the House but not in the same Room with Ansel when Dugdale told the News William Hanson deposed That at the time and place aforesaid he heard Dugdale say There was a Justice of the Peace Murdered that lived at Westminster And that when Dugdale told this News Mr. Sambidge and Mr. Philips were by and might have heard it if they would Mr Birch and Mr. Turton both attested That about the fifteenth or sixteenth of