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A31234 A reply to the ansvver of the Catholiqve apology, or, A cleere vindication of the Catholiques of England from all matter of fact charg'd against them by their enemyes Castlemaine, Roger Palmer, Earl of, 1634-1705.; Pugh, Robert, 1609-1679. 1668 (1668) Wing C1246; ESTC R38734 114,407 289

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been struck at but that the Bishops and Church of Englād felt also the blow and how much Episcopacy is advātageous to Monarchy none can be now ignorant Who therefore My Lords and Gentlemen will be so little pitied as you if you should be twice deceived after the same method and māner But to conclude no Kingdom I dare say looses-so much as ours by their cry against Catholicks for 't is very certainly true were not this a Bar and he who doubts it will soon be convinc'd let him step but beyond Sea that the Spanish Provinces in the Netherlāds and for a small matter with their Kings consent as his case lately stood would joyfully put themselves under the gentle yoak of our easie Government nor are they in Normandy shie to say that had not Papists been so harrassed with us they would not have slipt so many late oportunities of returning to their Lawful Duke and Soveraign FINIS REader I hope this Impressiō will be better thē the last which was very falsely printed For the Printer not only Italicated where he should not and omitted it where he should but also left out some words and changed others as if there had been a private correspondency betweene my Adversary and him for soe I le assure yow I am informed The only alteration I make is putting the Citations out of the Margent into the body of the treatise for I found that it distracted or at least much interupted the Reader in often running from one place to another especially if what I quoted were long I have also added to the list more Catholiques of quality that lost their lives for the King The names I receiv'd from some Ladyes of their Relations who are now become Religious at Paris I have plac't them by themselves after all to put the Readers in mind that they forgett not to insert also those whom hereafter they shall have notice of and had I time to send to friends I doubt not but the increase would be considerable A CATOLOGUE OF THOSE CATHOLICKS THAT DIED AND SVFFERED FOR THEIRE LOYALTY THe Earl of Carnarvan slain at Newbury first Battle Lord Viscount Dunbar at Scarborough and two of his sons much wounded Knights Sir John Smith Banneret who rescued the Kings Standard from the Rebels at Edg●il slain at Alresford in Hampshire Sir John Cansfield wounded at Neubury of which he died a lingring death Sir Hen. Gage Governour of Oxford slain at Collumbridge 11. Jan. 1644. Sir J. Digby wounded at Taunton and died at Bridgewater Sir P. Brown wounded at Naseby died at Nortbampton Sir Nich. Fortescue Knight of Malta slain in Lancashire Sir Troylus Turbervil Captain-Lieut of the Kings Life-Guard slain upon his Majesties marching from Newark to Oxford Sir J. Preston wounded at Furnace of which he died a lingring death Sir Arthur Aston Gouvernour of Red●ling slain at Tredaugh in cold blood Sir Thomas Tildesly slain at Wiggan Sir Hēry Slingsby beheaded on Towerhill Colonels Col. Th. Howard son of the Lord William Howard slain at Peirsbridge Col. Tho. Howard son of Sir Francis at Atherton-Moor The gaining which Battle was principally ascrib'd to his Valour Col. Tho. Morgan of Weston in Warwicksh slain at Newb. first battle he raised a Regiment of Horse for the King at his own charge and his Estate was given to Mr. Pyms son Col. Cuthbert Conniers at Malpass Col. Tho. Dalton of Thurnham mortally wounded at Newbury second battle and died at Marlborough Col. Francis Hungate slain at Chester Col. Poor Governour of Berkley-Castle neer Lidney Col. Will. Ewre son to the late Lord Ewre at Marston-Moor Col. Ra. Pudsey at Marston-Moor Col. Cuthert Clifton slain at Manchester Col. Cassey Bental at Stow in the Wolds Col. Trollop slain at Wiggan Col. William Bains at Malpass Col. William Walton at Tredagh Col. Rich. Manning at Alresford Lieut. Colonels Lieut. Col. Thomas Markham of Allerton slain neer Gainsborough L. Col. Lancelot Holtby at Branceford L. Col. Haggerston at Preston L. Col. Pavier at Linc. L. Col. Jordan Metham at Pontefract L. Col John Godfrey at Tewksbury L. Col. George Preston at Bradford L. Col. Will. Houghton at Newbury Lieut. Col. Phil. Howard slain at Chester L. Col. Middleton at Hopton-Heath L. Col. Michael Constable there also L. Col. Sayr at Nasby L. Col. Scot at Alresford L. Col. Thomas Salvin at Alresford L. Col. Richard Brown at Alresford L. Col. Goodridge wounded at Alresford and died at Oxford L. Col. Congrave slain at Dean in Gloucest Serjeant-Majors Major Cusand slain at the taking of Basing in cold blood Major Rich. Harborn wounded at Malpass dy'd at Kendal Major T. Vavasor slain at Marston-Moor Maior Panton wounded at Cover dy'd at Highmeadow Major Hudleston slain at York Maj. Thomas Ewre at Newbury 1. Major Lawrence Clifton at Shelfordhouse Maior Thomas Heskith at Malpass Maj. William Leak at Newbury 1. Maj. Rively wounded at Naseby dy'd prisoner at London Maj. Richard Sherburn at London Maj. Holmby at Henly Major Rich. Norwood slain before Taunton Captains Captain Marmaduke Constable Standardb●●rer to L. Gen. Lindsey slain at Edgehill Capt. Wil. Laborn and Cap. Mat. Anderton at Sheriff-hutton in Yorkshire Capt. Joseph Constable at Newbury Captain Wiburn slain at Basing in oold blood Capt. Burgh slain at Cover Capt. Thurston Anderton wounded at Newbury died at Oxford Cap. Haggarston eldest son of Sir Thomas in Lancashire Cap. Anthony Rigby at Bazing-house Capt. Richard Bradford at Bazing-house Capt. Kenelm Digby eldest son of Sir Kenelm Digby raised a Troop of Horse at his own charge and was slain at St. Neotes Capt. Ratcliff Houghton at Preston Capt. Rob. Molineux of the Wood in Lancashire slain at Newbury 1. Capt. Charl. Thimelby at Worcester Capt. Robert Townsend at Edge-hill Captain Matthew Ratcliff neer Henly Capt. Richard Wolsole at Newbury Capt. Anthony Awd Capt. Thomas Cole at Newark Capt. Partison at Wiggan Capt. Maximil Nelson at Marston-moor Capt. Fran. Godfrey slain at Sherburn Capt. Tho. Meynel at Pontefract Capt. John Clifton at Shelford-house Capt Abraham Lance. Capt. Robert Lance at Rowton in Chesh. Capt. Anth. Hamerton neer Manchester Capt. Will. Symcots Capt. Lieut. to the Lord Piercy slain at Newberry 1. Capt. Tho Singleton at Newberry 1. Captain Francis Errington of Denton in Northumberland at Rotheran Captain George Singleton at Rotheran Capt. Mich. Fitzakerly at Liverpool Capt. Daniel Thorold at Nasby Capt. Franc. Clifton at Newberry 1. Capt. John Lance at Islip Capt. George Cassey at Hereford Capt. Langdale at Greekhovel in Wales Capt. Carver in Monmouthshire Capt. John Lingen Ledbury Capt. Samways at Newberry 2. Captain John Plumton slain at York Capt. Pet. Forcer at York Capt. Thomas Whittinghā at Newberry Capt. Winkley at Leverpool Capt. Thomas Anderton at Leverpool Capt. Rich. Walmsly at Ormschurch Capt. John Swinglehurst and Capt. John Butler at Marston-moor Capt. George Holden at Usk. Capt. Richard Latham at Litchfield Capt. Tho. Charnock at Litchfield Capt. Rob. Dent at Newcastle Capt. Thomas Heskith and Capt. John Knipe at
Bindle Capt. Thomas Eccleston at Bindle Capt. John Hothersal Capt. Nic. Anderton at Gre●noo-Cattle Capt. Anthony Girlington Lancaster Capt. Francis Rou● in Dean-Forrest Capt. Randolph Wallinger at Cover Capt. Christoph Wray slain at Bradford Capt. Wil. Rookwood at Alresford Capt. Rob. Rookwood at Oxford Capt. Hoskins slain at Lidney in cold blood Capt. Phil. Darey at Lidney Capt. Wil. Jones at Ragland Capt. Henry Wells wounded at Newberry 2. died in prison at London Capt. Richardson slain before Taunton Captain Tho. Madden slain in Woodstreet by the Fanaticks Jan. 1660. Inferiour Officers Lieut. Will. Butler slain at Newberry Lieut. Rich. Osbalston at Leeds Lieut. George Hothersal at Leverpool Lieutenant William Girlington at Leverpool Lieutenant John Kulcheth at Worral Lieut. William Singleton at Marston Lieut. Peter Boardman at Bradford Lieutenant Short slain neer Glocester Lieut. Rich. Bradford at Blechington Lieutenant James Bradford at Blechington Lieut. Tho. Kinsman at Lincoln Lieutenant John Birch at ●irmicham Lieutenant Staley at Rushall-Hall Cornet William Culchereth at Newberry Cor. Deinton at Cardiff Cor. Robert Lance in Cheshire Cor. Edward Walker at Burton Cor. Miles Lochard at Gooderidge Gentlemen-Volontairs Mr. Edward Talbot brother to the now Earl of Shrewsbury slain at Marston-moor Mr. Char. Townly and Mr. Charles Sherburn there also Mr. Nicolas Timelby at Bristow Mr. Pool of Worral at Bristow Mr. John Tipper at Ne●●am Mr. Christopher Blount at Edg●alston Mr. Theodore Mouse at Langpo●● Mr. Gerard Salvin at Langpo●● Mr. Francis Darcy at Langpo●● Mr. Wiburn at Basing Mr. Robert Bowles at Basing Mr. Wil. Stoner at Basing Mr. Price of Washingly in Northamptonsh slain at Lincoln in cold blood Mr. Cuthbert Ratcliff slain at Newcastle Mr. Thomas Latham at Newarck Mr. Andrew Giffard at Hampton Mr. ●ew is Blount at Manchaster Mr. Cary ād M Gēnings at Shelfordhouse Mr. James Anderton in Wales Mr. Thomas Roper at Gootheridge Mr. Stephen Pudsey in Hold●rness Mr. Francis Pavier at Marston Mr. James Banton at Cover Tho. Pendrel at Stow. Mr. Boniface Kemp and Mr. ●●lde●ons Hesket slain neer York in cold blood Mr. Mich. Wharton at Scarborough Mr. Errington at Chester Tho. West by Doctor of Physick at Prestō Mr. Peter Davis at D●nbigh Mr. Edward Davis at Chester Mr. Bret at Chester Mr. Roger Wood at Chester Mr. Henry Lawson at Melton Mr. Tho. Craithorn the elder at Uphaven Mr. Henry Johnson at Uphaven Three so●● of Mr. Kitby of Rancliff John Witham at Preston Wil. S●lby at Preston John 15. 13. Greater love then this no. man hath then that one lay down his life for his friend Major General Will. Web. so wounded at Newberry by Case-shot that he lives a dying life The Names of such Catholicks whose Estates both Real and Personal were sold in persuance of an Act made by the Rump Iuly 16. 1651. for their pretended Delinquency that is for adhering to their King IOh. Lord Marquess of Winchester who so valiantly defended Basing-house Henry Lord Marquess of Worcester who has been at least 300000. l. looser by the War Francis Lord Cottington Lord John Sommerset Marmaduke L. Langdale and his son Sir John Winter who so stoutly defended Lidney-house Sir Thomas Tildesly himself slain and his Estate sold Sir Hen. Slingsby beheaded at Tower-hill and his Estate sold Sir Piercy Herbert now Lord Powys Sir Francis Howard Sir Henry Bedingfield Sir Arthur Aston Governour of Reading Sir Tho. Haggerston Rog. Bodenham Esq Charles Townly Esq Row land Eyre Esq Peter Pudsey Esq John Giffard Esq Other Catholicks whose Estates were sold by an Additional Rump-Act made Aug. 4. 1652. HEnry Lord Viscount Dunbar and his sō Sir Wil. Vavasor Sir Edw. Ratcliff Thomas Clifton Esq Peter Gifford of ●hillington Esq Walter Fowler of St. Thomas Esq Thomas Brook of Madely Esq Francis Biddulph of Biddulph Esq William Middleton of Stocton Esq Nicholas Errington Esq Lance Errington Esq Henry Errington Esq John Jones of Dingestow Esq John Weston Esq Phil. Hungate Esq Rob. Dolman Gent. Rich. Masley Gent. Geo. Smith Gent. Ralph Pudsey Gent. More Catholicks whose Estates were sold by another Rump-Act made Novemb. 18. 1652. HEnry Lord Arundel of Wardor who raised a Regiment of Horse for the King and whose Castle of Wardor was so gallātly defēded against Edward Hungerford Henry Lord Marley and Monteagle William Lord Ewre William Lord Powis who kept long his castle of Powis against the enemy and afterwards taken in it and thereupon was kept a great while prisoner at Stafford and died in durance at London Lord Charles Somerset Sir Walter Blount long a prisoner in the Tower Sir Edw. Widdrington who raised a Regiment of Horse Sir Richard Tichburn Sir Charles Blount slain also by one of his own Captains Sir J. Clavering dy'd a prisoner at Lond. Sir Iohn Cansfield Sir Iohn Timelby of Ernam Sir Philip Constable Sir Edward Plumpton Sir Nicholas Thornton who raised a Troop of Horse at his own charge Hugh Anderton of Exton Esq Thomas Langtree of Langtree Esq Will. Hoghton Esq William Hesketh Esq William Latham Esq Tho. Singleton Esq Iohn Westby Esq Sir Edward Charlton William Sheldon of Beely Esq William Gage of Bently Esq Tho. Clavering Esq Iohn Plumpton Esq Marm. Holby Esq Hen. Englefield Esq Robert Wigmore Esq Rob. Cramblington Esq Will. Sherburn Esq Iohn Constable Esq Richard Latham Esq William Bawd Esq Iames Anderton of Birchley Esq Thomas Singleton Esq Iohn Talbot Esq Nich. Fitzakerly Esq Iohn Piercy Esq Thomas Acton of Burton Esq Tho. Gillibrand Esq Tho. Grimshaw Esq Ralph Rishton and Wil. Floyer Gentl. Richard Chorley of Chorley Iames Anderton of Cleyton Esq Will Anderton of Anderton Esq With many others Mr. Edmund Church of Essex was one of the first whose personal Estate was plundred and his real sequestred which so continued without any allowāce to his wife and children from 1642. till 1649. when he died prisoner Mr. Iohn Barlow of Pembrookshire his whole Estate being at least 1500. l. per an was given to Col Horton and Cap. Nicolas without any allowance of any fifths or other sustenance for his wife and many children Here follow the new added names of those that were slaine in his Maiestie's service Sr. Timothy Tetherston killed at Chester Cap. Thomas Paston slaine at Yorke Cap. Henry Butler slaine at Brinle Mr. Richard Seborne slaine at Ragland Mr. William Alsley slaine at Wiggan FINIS Printed with permission an 1668. a Iosh. 6. 22. a Pyr. Tr. p. 4. a Cam. Brit. P. 163. B. b Vid. Rep. 6. c 645. Monasteries 110. Hospitals 90. colledges 2374. Chaunteries and free Chappels L. Herb. H. 8. p. 443. a Vid Rep. 48. sect 5. b St H. ● pag. 964. Reg. 26. a c. 20. p. 40. a Vid His last Speech etc. and Printed by Authority 1644. a Cib. B●it p. 143. b ●ep ●● a Fox Feb. 12. b Stovv Hen. 6. p. 627. 628. c Fox Ian. 7. d Stovv H. 5. p. 561. ● Hey● Geog. ● 20. a Du Moulins v●ords in ansv to Phil. p. 58. a Bates Elenc mo●
day in which Carlos Gifford Whitgrave and the Pendrels should be punished by your desires for that Religion which obliged them to save their forlorn Prince and a stigmatized man for his offences against King and Church a chief promoter of it Nay less did we imagine that by your Votes Hudlestone might be hanged who again secured our Soveraign and others free in their fat possessions that sat as Judges and sealed the Execution of that great Prince of happy Memory We confess we are unfortunate you just Judges whom with our lives we will ever maintain to be so nor are we ignorant the necessity of affairs made the King and you do things which formerly you could not so much as fancy yet give us leave to say we are still Loyal nay to desire you to believe so and to remember how synonymous under the late Rebellion was the word Papist and Cavalier for there was no Papist that was not deemed a Caualier nor no Caualier that was not call'd a Papist or at least thought to be Popishly affected We know though we differ something in Religion the truth of which let the last day judge yet none can agree with your inclinations or are fitter for your converse then we for as we have as much birth among us as England can boast of so our breeding leans your way both in Court and Camp And therefore had not our late Sufferings united us in that firm tie yet our like humors must needs have joyned our hearts If we erre pity our condition and remember what your great Ancestors were and make some difference between us that have twice converted England from Paganism and those other Sects that can challenge nothing but intrusion for their imposed Authority But 't is generally said That Papists cannot live without persecuting all other Religions within their reach We confess where the name of Protestant is unknown the Catholick Magistrates believing it erronious do use all endeavours to keep it out Yet in those Countreys where Liberty is given they have far more Priviledges then we under any Reformed Government whatsoever To be short we will only instance France for all where they have publick Churches where they can make what Proselytes they please and where 't is not against Law to be in any Charge or Imployment Now Holland which permits every thing gives us 't is true our Lives and Estates but takes away alle Trust and Rule and leaves us also in danger of the Scout whensoever he pleases to molest our Meetings Because we have named France the Massacre will perchance be urged against us But the World must know that was a Cabinet-Plot condemned as wicked by Catholick Writers there and of other Countries also Besides it cannot be thought they were murthered for being Protestants since 't was their powerful Rebellion let their Faith have been what it would that drew them into that ill-machinated destruction May it not as well be said in the next Catholick Kings Reign that the Duke of Guise ande Cardinal Heads of the League were killed for their Religion also Now no body is ignorant that 't was their factious Authority which made that jealous Prince design their deaths though by unwarrantable means If it were for Doctrine that the Hugonots suffered in France this haughty Monaroh would soon destroy them now having neither Force nor Towns to resist his Might and Puissance They yet live free enough being even Members of Parliament and may convert the Kings Brother too if he thinks fit to be so Thus you may see how well Protestants live in a Popish Country under a Popish King Nor was Charlemaign more Catholick then this for though he contends sometimes with the Pope 't is not of Faith but about Gallicane Priviledges which perchance he may very lawfully do Judge then Worthy Patriots who are the best used and consider our hardship here in England where 't is not only a Fine for hearing Mass but death to the Master for having a Priest in his house and so far we are from preferment that by Law we cannot come within ten miles of London all which we know your great Mercy will never permit you to exact It has been often urged that our misdemeanours in Queen Elizabeths and King James's time were the cause of our punishment We earnestly wish that the Party had had more patience under that Princess But pray consider though we excuse not their faults whether it was not a Question harder then that of York and Lancaster the cause of a War of such length and death of so many Princes who had most right Queen Elizabeth or Mary Stuart For since the whole Kingdom had crowned and sworn Allegeance to Queen Mary they owned her as the legitimate daughter to Henry the Eighth and therefore 't was thought necessarily to follow by many that if Mary was the true Child Elizabeth was the Natural which must needs give way to the thrice noble Queen of Scots 'T was for the Royal House of Scotland that they suffered in those days and 't is for the same illustrious Family we are ready to hazard all on any occasion Nor can the consequence of the former procedure be but ill if a Henry the Eighth whom Sir W. Rawleigh and my Lord Cherbury two famous Protestants have so homely characterized should after twenty years co-habitation turn away his wife and this out of scruple of Conscience as he said when as History declares that he never spared woman in his lust nor man his fury Now for the fifth of Novēber with hāds lifted up to Heaven we abominate and detest and from the bottō of our hearts say may they fall into irrecoverable perdition who propagate that faith by the blood of Kings which is to be planted in truth and meekness only But let it not displease Men Brethren and Fathers if we ask whether Ulysses be no better known or who has forgot the Plots of Cromwel framed in his Closet not only to destroy many faithful Cavaliers but also to put a lustre upon his Intelligence as if nothing could be done without his knowledge Even so did the then great Minister who drew some few ambitious men into this conjuration and then discovered it by a Miracle This will easily appear viz. how little the Catholique Party understood the design seeing there were not a score of guilty found though all imaginable industry was used by the Commons Lords and Privy Councel too But suppose my Lords and Gentlemen which never can be granted that all the Papists of that age were consenting Will you be so severe then to still punish the Children for their Fathers faults Nay such Children that so unanimously joyned with you in that glorious Quarrel wherein you and we underwent such sufferings that needs we must have all sunk had not our mutual love assisted What have we done that we should now deserve your Anger Has the Indiscretion of some few incenst you 'T is true that is
have viz. a Preist to assist her at her death she was again recomforted when she knew by the Earl of Kent that she died for her Faith for he told her that her life would be the destruction of their Religion Reader I must now here end and cannot but ask this Question If the Reformed have for defence of their Religion effected the death of their Queen or at least undoubted Heir and if they have set up Jane Gray that had no title because their lawful Prince was Catholick who have been I would fain know in England more faulty in this case they or we Pray what advantage has this Minister got by loading us with crimes of which we are innocent And if as he urges in the beginning we obey'd Q. Elizabeth ten years without stir it then shows that Papists can be obedient to a Prince of another Religion though they doubt their right whenas the former Protestants would do any thing rather then permit a Catholick to govern let the Title be never so just Judge now Reader whether it be not superlative injustice to incense the World against us as if our Religion taught nothing but blood and theirs all gentleness imaginable I must invoke both Angels and Men to consider our wrong who are termed trayterous in our Principles even to this day We in our own persons have shewed all the duty that men can fancy and for our Ancestors you have seen what their Plea is if it be bad they have justly suffred if other wise let them then feel your anger who would deceive you thus with lies and remember that 't is not possible a Religion which governed England with glory so many years can teach a Doctrine destructive to Princes or infuse Maxims that will breed commotions among the people SECT XXIII APOLOGY 'T was for the Royal House of Scotland that they suffered in those days and 't is for the same illustrious Family we are ready to hazard all on any occasion ANSWER XXII Sir We have found you notoriously false in that which you affirm Pray God you prove true in that which you promise SECT XXIV APOLOGY Nor can the consequence of the former procedure be but ill if a Henry the Eighth whom Sir Walter Rawleigh and my Lord Cherbury two famous Protestants have so homely characterized should after twenty years co-habitation turn away his wife and this out of scruple of Conscience as he said when as History declares that he never spared woman in his lust nor man in his fury ANSWER XXIV This Character he says agrees better with some Heads of the Church then with King Henry the Eighth of whom better Historians naming Thuanus say better things but if he were such a Monster 't was for want of a better Religion for he was of ours except in the point of Supremacy and therefore I have no reason to flurt at him except having undertaken to colour Treasons I think 't is something towards it to bespatter Kings I use he says the same Art in the next Paragraph to excuse the Powder-Treason calling it a misdemeanour the fifth of November a Conjuration all soft words but deal hardly with the great Minister of State whom I make the Author of it as if the State had conspired against the Traytors not the Traytors against the State Then he tells the old Story of the Gunpowder-Plot and how discovered by my Lord Mounte●gles Letter and also how the Jesuites Baldwin Hammond Tesmond and Gerrard were named by the Conspirators as privy with them The Narration is in any Book that treats of King James and well known by every body therefore for brevities sake I have omitted it here REP. to ANSW XXIV Reader If the Character do agree better with many heads of our Church then I say in Gods name let it be given them But I much admire how Thuanus comes to be esteemed a better historian in English affairs then Sir Walter Raleigh or my Lord Cherbury whom we poor English-men think very excellent But why do I trouble you wi●● the extravagancies of this strange man w●● when he finds as he fancies a present expedient cares not though he be forc'd to deny it again in the next page What I have said of Henry the Eighth these two famous men have said it and a thousand times worse though they were Protestants and the first of them the great admirer of his Mrs. the daughter of this very Prince Nay omitting the unexpressable foul Language of the Reformed at home and abroad especially of Luther himself the Bishop of Hereford a Member of the Church of England calls him unsatiable glutted with one and out of variety seeking to enjoy another I shall speak no more to this nor any thing separately to the next four Paragraphs for they all concern the Powder-Treason You shall see what he says to each of them and then my Answer shall follow in one intire discourse SECT XXV APOLOGY Now for the fifth of November with hands lifted up to Heaven we abominate and detest ANSWER XXV Here he asks Whether it be the Festival 〈◊〉 the Treason we abominate and detest If the 〈◊〉 he says he will believe us without lifting 〈◊〉 our hands If the Treason he asks why we do not call it so which while we cannot afford to do lifting up our hands will never perswad 〈◊〉 we abominate and detest it SECT XXVI APOLOGY And from the bottom of our hearts say that may they fall into irrecoverable perdition who propagate that faith by the blood of Kings which is to be planted in truth and meekness only ANSWER XXVI He says I should be cautious of throwing such Curses for fear of hitting our Father the Pope as the Philosopher told the son of a common-woman that threw stones among a multitude SECT XXVII APOLOGY But let it not displease you Men Brethren and Fathers if we ask whether Ulisses be no better known or who has forgot the Plots of Cromwel framed in his Closet not only to destroy many faithful Cavaliers but also to ●ut a lustre upon his Intelligence as if nothing could be done without his knowledge Even so did the then great Minister who drew some few ambitious men into this conjuration and then discovered it by a Miracle ANSWER XXVII Here he calls me Apostle and Poet full of Gravity and Fiction Then he says I would make the World believe they were drawn into this Plot by Cecil yet am so wise as not to offer to prove it but would steal it in by the example of Cromwel Again he says admitting this for true they were Traytors nevertheless in doing what they did had there been no Cecil in the World and therefore the excuse only implies they had not wit to invent it though they wanted not malice to execute it for according to my illustration as the Cavaliers whom Cromwel drew in had their Loyalty abused and were nevertheless faithful still so the Powder-Traytors whom Cecil