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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A25515	An answer to a late pamphlet, called A Sober dialogue, between a Scotch Presbyterian a London church-man, and a real Quaker, scandalously reflecting on the Church of England as if her doctrine and common-prayer did justifie the antichristian doctrine, of the real Quaker, viz. that the light within, whither in heathen, or Christian is sufficient to salvation without anything else; wherein the plain deism and antichristian principles of the real Quaker and his party, and the pretended church man, are plainly detected. By a friend to the author of the dialogue, called, a Sober dialogue, between a country friend, a London friend, and one of G.K.'s friends.		1699 (1699)	Wing A3305A; ESTC R214848	10,861	26

bows our Spirits and tenders our Hearts in the living Remembrance of him and inables us in true Humility to bless God and gave thanks to him c. Answ How this seeming Confession doth consist with his and his Brethrens saying the Light within them and in every Man is sufficient to Salvation without any thing else I leave to Impartial and Intelligent Readers to Judge as also how it is consistent with G. W.'s saying its contrary to Rom. 10. and Deut. 30. To say we are to believe in a Christ whose Person is ascended into Heaven above the Clouds without us and that a Personal Being of Christ in Heaven without us is Muggletonism and Anthropomorphitisme And lastly how is this Confession consistent with the Words of J. W. one of their Brethren in his Book call'd the Doctrin of Perfection Vindicated by J. W. Printed for R. Wilson 1663. p. 18. Page 18. Therefore all came down to that of God made manifest in you and receive it with a willing Mind c. p. 19. For it is said to be a Schoolmaster to bring you to Christ the Light and Lamb of God who takes away Sin c. Even by slaying it upon the Cross which is the Power of God which overcomes or rather comes over and so brings under the Power of Darkness c. So when you come to know this you will cease remembring his Death at Jerusalem and will come to see how he hath been Crucified in you c. Their common Answer that Christ cannot be divided used by the Quaker in this Dialogue in several places is evidently against them for why then do they make the Light within every Man sufficient to Salvation without the Manhood of Christ without them but though Christ without and Christ within cannot be divided as neither his Godhead from his Manhood nor his Spirit from his Body yet they are distinguished and the Spirit is not the Body nor is the Body and Manhood of Christ in Believers though some of them say they have whole Christ in them God and Man Flesh and Spirit as G. F. hath affirmed in his Great Mystery and W. Penn hath justified him in his so saying that because they eat his Flesh therefore it is in them vainly and ignorantly arguing from a Metaphorical Eating to a literal and carnal Eating Page 20. His Evasion as to the saying of some of them that they are not unprofitable Servants because they acknowledge they are not able to do any thing that good is without Christ is fallacious and reacheth not to the Sense of Christ's Words When ye have done all that ye ought to do say ye are unprofitable Servants which comprehends all that holy Men can or ought to do even by the help of Christ without whom they neither can nor ought to do any good Page the same He pretends to own that great is the Mystery of Godliness God was manifest in the Flesh in this he is Fallacious if he be of one Mind with W. P. who hath said in Print that the Work of Regeneration is much more a Mystery than God manifest in the Flesh Page 21. He gives no plain Answer to that Query whether must all our Spirits go when we die must all go into the Quakers for Rest and Peace But Retorts the Question from the Apostles saying that Christ within was the Hope of Glory What! saith he must all go into the Apostles and Primitive Christians for Rest and Peace But this is an idle Retorsion neither Paul or any of the Primitive Christians ever said that Christ only within was their Hope of Glory nor ever blamed the Doctrin of a local Heaven and Hell without Men as some of your chief Men have done particularly W. P. calling it Mahumetan and both G. W. and W. P. have Printed against the deceased Saints expecting any future Resurrection of the Body arguing that it would follow they were in a State of Purgatory at the present time Page 21. In his seeming to magnifie the Scriptures which he saith they are willing to take for the Confession of their Faith which yet that they do not is evident otherwise they could not be guilty of such gross Errors he brings them down to a Level with their own Writing if not rather below them for this he saith and we esteem them better than any Man or Men ever did or can make that have not the Guidance of that Spirit the holy Men were guided by For seeing they believe they are infallibly Guided by the same holy Spirit it is a plain Insinuation the Quakers Writings being given forth by the Guidance of the same holy Spirit are at least as good if not better and if this be not the plain Consequence of his Words I leave the impartial Reader to Judge together with the rest Some further Answer by another Hand with some Words of tender Exhortation Advice c. AS for the real Quaker I have somewhat to offer to him since he calls himself a real Quaker I would fain know what a Quaker signifies and whether it be a better or more proper Name than a Christian besides I think the Quaker is deceived in giving himself that Name believing that never any of them had those dreadful Sights as Moses and Habakkuk and the Apostle Paul Pray which of them ever heard the Voice of God speaking to them with their outward Ears or have heard or seen the Lords Christ without them but they say they have heard his Voice inwardly and seen his Shape inwardly so have thousands that never call'd themselves by that Name and they pretend to no other Light than what enlightens every Man that comes into the World and since it is so universal that every Man has it why is the Dispensation thought so astonishing to them as to cause such Horror and Trembling to them above all Mankind besides Surely the Quaker would make us believe hereby that the Light in every Man metes with greater Opposition in them because of their many and great Sins than it metes with in many other Men I have often known that some which have been reproved by that Light have greatly rejoiced believing it to be a Sign that their Consciences are yet alive and not made Shipwrack of so that by the Name they give themselves we may believe them to be the greatest of Sinners otherwise why should such Horror attend them more than all the World besides One would think they were very dark to be thus amazed at the sight of that Light that is so common to every Man in the World and to rejoyce in the Name of a Quaker more than in the Name of a Child of Light that being first given to them but they slighted that Name and chose rather the Name of a Quaker which no true Child of Light would ever have done because that Trembling is a Dispensation of Terror and Sorrow which is said to attend the Night but Joy comes in the Morning and you

tell all the World that there is no better nor higher a State than that of the Quaker pray what are those great Attainments you have arrived at beyond other People it may be you will say you have left the Fashions and Language of the World well and what then Will all this quiet a Conscience wounded with Sin I tell you nay Sheeps Cloathing will not do when you will not hear the voice of the true Shepherd nor follow his Commandments We Read of but one Shepherd and one Sheep-fold which was that good Shepherd that laid down his Life for his Sheep And in your Dialogue you tell us that the Light in every Man is the divine Word which you call Christ 't is true Christ was that divine Word in the beginning with God and here you make a full stop and tell us that that does enlighten every Man that comes into the World and Calls Exhorts and strives with every Man in order to save them which if received works the Salvation of all Now if the Divine Word as it was in the beginning saves all Mankind pray what was remaining for that Word to do after it was made Flesh did not all the holy Men of old know that Divine Word and its Operation far beyond the best of you And yet how did they rejoyce that by Faith they saw Christs Day in the Flesh they clearly saw that great Mystery of Godliness Christ manifest in the Flesh and does not St. John begin with the Creation and tells us that in the beginning was the Word and how that Word did Operate in being the Light of Men and so goes down to John the Baptist and from him to the Birth of Christ saying in the 14th verse that that Divine Word was made flesh and dwelt among them and saith he we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth And pray was not old Simeon well acquainted with that Divine Word which was the Light of Men yet when he saw the Child Jesus he said now let thy Servant depart in Peace for my Eyes have seen thy Salvation a Light to Lighten the Gentiles and the Glory of thy People Israel And another Prophetess gave a full Testimony to all that looked for Redemption in Israel Now here is that Divine Word which under the Law did shew Man his Sin and under the Gospel saves him from Sin pray which of those two was the most glorious Manifestation to Mankind as to that Prophecy in John the 16th verse the 7.8 9 10 11 13. Pray consider to whom our Lord speaks was it not to his afflicted Disciples whom he was just a going to leave in a dark and wicked World and therefore told them that he would send that Comforter the Spirit of Truth which would guide them into all Truth Mind he was a Guide to the Disciples but a Reprover to the World of Sin because they believed not in Christ Jesus and saith our Lord in the 14th verse He shall glorifie me for he shall receive of mine and shall shew it unto you for he shall not speak of himself but what soever he shall hear that shall he speak Here you see and as you desired some places of Scripture that the holy Ghost or Comforter does not save without Christ Jesus neither is the Holy Ghost said to be the Christ but he did take of Christ and was a Messenger from Christ to Comfort his suffering Disciples in his absence and to confirm that Doctrin And did you ever read that any did receive the Holy Ghost that did not believe in Christ Jesus as he outwardly came in the Flesh And where is the Man that can say among any of the Quakers that he has received the Holy Ghost as it was given in the Apostles Days notwithstanding the real Quaker saith that every Man has it and saith that with all the Presbyterians Logick and the outward Knowledge of Christ or of what he hath suffered outwardly for us he cannot stop the Cries of that which Reproves for Sin I believe no true Christian desires to stop its cry against Sin but methinks the Man should have been more serious then to put Logick and the outward Knowledge of what Christ did and suffered together I fear the real Quaker esteems them too much alike he says further that with all thy Art and Skill thou canst not prove that Water Baptisme was commanded by Christ 't is a strange saying and vain enough But pray what thinks he of the 3d of St. John the 26th verse What were all they Baptized with that came to Christ That 't is said that Jesus Baptized not but his Disciples did and how should they Baptize with the Holy Ghost when Christ was not yet gone from them and therefore had not yet seen the Holy Ghost and did not Peter on his relating of the Holy Ghost's falling on Cornelius's Family say that then he remembred the Words of the Lord how they should be Baptized with the Holy Ghost and yet he Administred Water after and can any Man be so Ignorant as to believe that the Holy Apostles of our Lord would have Baptized with Water had they not known that it was their Lord and Master's Will and Commandment whatever others may doe without Commission they were too Holy and too Spiritual to do such things He speaks after the like manner concerning the Lord's Supper and then Reflects on G. K. what he Wrote when he was one of them I would to God they were as honest to acknowledge their being mistaken as he has done both by Word and Writing and in that thing they do but the more expose themselves since they never found fault with him till they saw him further enlightened It is said that Jesus did not commit himself to all Men because he knew what was in Man how then is he in every Man a sufficient Saviour only by that common Illumination And now I have a few Words to the honest and sober Quakers My Friends I do beseech you to search the Holy Scriptures and believe they were Written for our Learning for our Conviction for our Reproof that the Man of God may be furnished to every good Work notwithstanding your Teachers bids you only to mind that in your own Hearts I do tell you that to bring your own Deeds to the Light is to bring them to the Doctrin of Christ and his Apostles as God shall be pleased specially to enlighten you to understand it why should you lean to your own Understanding when the great God has made such wonderful Provision for you and has set it on a Candlestick for all Men to see the Light thereof in our Land tho' not so in all Lands Pray what a Price did both the Old and New Testament cost them that conveyed it to us did it not come swiming to us in a River of Blood and shall we so ill requite the great God and those dear Servants and Messengers as to tell we have no need of their Testimonies or Doctrin for every Man has that in himself that will save him if he hearkens to it's Voice What Ingratitude is this to those holy Martyrs whose Blood cries how long e'er thou avenge us on them that dwell on the Earth And where do you find that God ever left any of his chosen ones to the common Manifestation of Light only in themselves that being too much vailed by the Fall of Man had Man been left to that Witness without higher Manifestations to excite Faith and Hope of Redemption by an Object beyong themselves how had they fainted in their Minds and considering how their Father Adam had fallen before them who doubtless had more Light than any earthly Creatures since he was in the Paradice of God I must needs say I am concerned for you and it makes me even tremble to see on what a brink of danger you stand there are too many Children that can speak before they go which is no good Sign I fear you have not tried your own Frailty that talk thus big I am sure that there are some among you that has as much need to pray for the Forgiveness of Sin as any People in the World has and yet at the same time will say that they have that in themselves that is able to save them from all Sin they may as well say they have a Staff in their Hands but will not make use of it so do nothing but stumble and fall will not all the World condemn you and say since these Men have so great a Light as is sufficient to save them why do they not follow it but fall into such horrid Mistakes in their way I do really believe whenever God opens the Eyes of your Teachers which have caused you to err to see what they have done and what they are doing they will then deserve the Name of Quaker more than ever they did I pray God open their Eyes for your and their own sakes that they may have their Suffering rather in this Life then in that which is to come Do not mistake me and think that I design to lessen the Light that in Man that Reproves for Sin or the Law Written in the Heart as the Apostle plainly calls it and said he had not known Sin but by the Law but Christ's Blood is the Way by which we must enter in Therefore do not think of climbing up another way I do intreat you my Friends to read the Scriptures especially the New Testament through and through again and pray to the Lord for Wisdom in the Reading of them and they will sufficiently furnish you with Wisdom that is able to make you wise to Salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus and know withal that these Lines are Written from one that is your real and hearty Friend that Prays for your Salvation FINIS